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to do with the outdoors. So today's topic, we're

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talking about camp hacks slash overland hacks

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slash getting around the tacks of the hobby,

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if you will. Yeah, some overland cheat codes,

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if you will. So I guess it's kind of my idea,

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and I know we've kind of covered some of it here

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and there, but I kind of wanted to make something

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more pointed towards just this in general. I

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think, and I'll probably start off here because

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I'm going to talk about Shane and eyes just to

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get him on here too. So we got to start. And

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this is my favorite one from last year, is using

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fire squares from, like, wood stoves. So you

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can go to any tractor supply, family farm and

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home, any of those farm stores that sell wood

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stove supplies. And you can buy these little

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fire squares, and they come in packs of, like,

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300. And you can get it for, like, 15 bucks.

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And they work great. I mean, it's way cheaper

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than buying those cool Overland fire starters.

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And they honestly start fires better and faster.

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Oh, yeah. It's made out of, like, recycled dryer

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lint and this and that. And I have a pack of

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those that lasted me all summer, and I still

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have, like, two sheets left. So I'm going to

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buy some this year, and I should be good for

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another year. So that worked really, really,

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really well last year. Dude, that was a great

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hack. Yeah. So I figured I would just share that

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first and foremost before we got into some of

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the other ones. My second one would probably

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be, and we talked about this a little bit, but

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like if you're just starting doing the Overland

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thing and you kind of want to just get stuff.

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you know, like your kitchenware and stuff like

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that. The 50 cent, 85 cent plastic Walmart plates,

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really super cheap and easy. Um, I'll leave it

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at that. Like I said, we covered that a little

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bit in their last, last episode, but I think

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Alex uses them too. You can even get the ones

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that are square with like little compartments

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on each one. That's what we have. Yeah. And,

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and they pretty much wipe clean like, and you

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just throw them back in your drawer. I'm not

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saying that I haven't like, dish scrubbed them

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but you know when you're out camping sometimes

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it's easier to just wipe wipe them clean and

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move on oh i 100 have not dish scrubbed ours

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in like ever uh we just wipe them clean and throw

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them in uh if i if i i wouldn't be lying if i

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said i did mine yearly but but uh yeah the other

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one's kind of a this one's kind of a weird one

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so you have to bear with me a little bit i actually

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heard it on another podcast um And they were

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talking about cold weather camping and quick

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and easy ways to actually keep you warm. And

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it's actually have a dedicated pee bottle. Alex

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knows where this is going. And I'm telling you,

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it's actually kind of an ingenious. You have

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a dedicated... So I saw you post that on Overlanding

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for the Poors. And I just got to say the scenario

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that that person was posting about is either

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made up for one or two. Someone's chain of command

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is screwing them over very hard, which like to

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a level that is not normal and could get them

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in a lot of trouble. And three, if they're a

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soldier that has to sleep in their car, we have

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gear to stay warm in that environment. Yeah.

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What? What? Wait, what did I post it off of?

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Someone posted on Overlanding for the Poors that

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they needed ways to stay warm in a truck because

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their brother or something is a soldier and he

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has to sleep in his car for so long. Oh, okay.

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I was going to say that had nothing to do with

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what I said as far as what to do. But I was just

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thinking of cheap way. You pee in the bottle

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and you put it near your feet and you have warm

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liquid. And a lot of this is like if you're rooftop

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tent camping anyway, a lot of the times when

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it's cold or anything, you don't want to get

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out of your tent just to go pee anyway. And if

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you get thirsty, you have a quick drink. Yeah,

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if you really have to Bear Grylls it out. Nature's

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for Bear Grylls. There you go. And you pee in

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it, you put it near your feet, and it's going

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to keep you warm for that much longer. So that

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was one. I know it's a little unorthodox, a little

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out there. But for some of these guys, and this

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was actually, what was it, the X Overland podcast

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they were talking about when they were up near

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the Arctic. or the top of the world in Alaska,

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they were talking about how their feet would

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get cold and how it kind of sent the rest of

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the body to get cold. So they had a dedicated

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pee bottle for that, like a Nalgene bottle. So

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they said it kept their toes warm, which kind

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of helped keep the rest of them warm. And I'm

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like, you know what? It's kind of weird, kind

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of ingenious. So, I mean, I'm not going to get

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out of my rooftop tent every time I have to pee

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either. So there's that one. Like I said, we'll

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get the weird out of the way. I was about to

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say, it sounds like they need better sleeping

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bags slash sleeping pad that actually has a good

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R raining value. X Overland has the best of anything

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you can get. This is a massive company. So if

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they're cold, it's probably because they just

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got in their tents and their feet are cold or

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something. They have the best of the best. So

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if they're even talking about their feet being

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cold, It's probably pretty fucking cold up there.

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So I've got a... I don't know if mine's necessarily

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unorthodox, but my biggest camp hack or overland

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hack is look at surplus military gear. The military

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has spent a lot of money on R &D and engineering

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to build equipment meant for keeping soldiers

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alive in really harsh conditions. And we can

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take that and... You can buy a sleeping bag that

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rivals some of the best sleeping bags out there

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for like $120. Yeah. Yeah. They'll do definitely

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good. I don't think they'll beat a straight -up

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down sleeping bag, but I think they'll definitely

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be like the best budget system that you could

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get until you get up to that $600, $700, $800

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zone with a down sleeping bag. Well, depending

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on which one you get, they're warmer than a down

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sleeping bag. like that i would love to test

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that that green one i feel like that green mummy

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bag to compare that green mummy bag that i slept

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in uh for our big camping weekend that yeah that

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one is a down military sleeping bag well there

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you go yeah so it's down yep but um i don't know

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i've and and this is not me going like i don't

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believe you but this is me going like These companies

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are making Arctic equipment for the coldest temperatures

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in the world. And as many military guys as I've

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talked to, I don't put too much credit into some

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of the military equipment. You know, you got

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to be picky and choosy. I would say that the

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sleeping bag is an absolute banger. I mean, there's

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guys that have survived Antarctica in a military

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sleeping bag. Yeah. Also, the bigger question,

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based off of Alex's story, usually they don't

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use all their gear like they're supposed to.

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Yeah, Mark taught me how to use my sleeping bag.

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I didn't even know how it worked. That's the

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best. Yeah. Well, there you go. So that's one

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of them there with, gosh, we got from, what,

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pee bottle to sleeping bag to plates. Hey, bounce

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around. Shoot from the cuff. Yeah, so this one.

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So this one was actually one of Alex's ideas

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that he pointed out, but if you don't have a

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fridge and you're overlanding, use plastic water

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bottles to freeze or jugs to freeze and put them

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in your cooler. That way, as they thaw, you still

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get water, but to keep your cooler cold and you

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don't have all that extra water swimming your

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cardboard and any of your eggs sitting around

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there. If you don't have a fridge and you're

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trying to streamline that a little bit and your

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cooler so that you're not buying ice every, you

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know, so long, every day or so, it depends, I

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guess, where you live, then that's definitely

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a good one. Obviously, it helps to have a good

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cooler. Yeah, have a good cooler if you're going

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to do it. And if you go on Amazon, you can get

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reusable, like, freezer or sandwich bags. Fill

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those with water. They're kind of like a vinyl

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plastic instead of just straight plastic. Fill

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those with water and freeze them. Then you can

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do the same thing, but it fits flat so you can

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fit it between things and kind of line your cooler

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with it. Mm -hmm. The next one is something that

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I guess I kind of talked to them guys with, but

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using dehydrated or precooked meals. You know,

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we've kind of talked about this, getting our

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own dehydrator at some point in the future and

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trying to do that ourselves. But in the meantime...

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A lot of these companies make some really good

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dehydrated meals. I don't know if I can call

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that a budget hack, though, because those are

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definitely more expensive than cooking your own

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food. They're cheaper than a meal at McDonald's,

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so we come out of that. At least me and Sienna

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are spending $30 or so at McDonald's for two

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meals. You only spend $11 to $13 for those, and

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they taste better, and they have zero lifespan.

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You can hold them as long as you want, and that's

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kind of the best part of that. But they're pricey.

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But they have a longer shelf life. You don't

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have to use them all at once at the same time.

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Yeah, I just don't know if I... I mean, it's

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a good hack. I just don't know if it's necessarily

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a... Get around the overland tax hack. Well,

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for me, I would consider that a hack. I buy a

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lot of that stuff on the winters and stuff when

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I'm not out there. So, you know, one meal or

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two at a time. And then using it, it takes 15

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minutes to usually make the most complicated

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ones. It saves me plenty of time in the morning.

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I don't have to worry about cleanup or anything.

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You eat it right out of the bag. So, well, it's

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like, based on what I'm seeing, it's about on

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par with McDonald's prices. It's $13 .99 just

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for a pack. With two servings? Yeah. Right, so

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you have two servings at $13 .99. So it's half

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the cost of McDonald's. Yeah, roughly. Depends

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on how you eat it. I mean, yeah, if you're going

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to eat the whole pack. Like, I will eat a whole

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pack if I'm really hungry, like I was telling

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you guys earlier, but Sienna only eats half.

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Yeah. I mean, it's roughly half the calories

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compared to McDonald's. Like, even that is a

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lot less calories than McDonald's food. But technically,

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one bag is giving you two servings. Yeah, I know.

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So if you follow bag instructions, you're $7

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a meal. You know, on... You know, if you're talking

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about per serving. And then you have no shelf

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life, basically. I mean, you're going to use

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it, obviously, before then. So my next hack kind

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of invalidates everything we're saying. Don't

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listen to influencers. Do things yourself. Do

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things yourself and find out what you need rather

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than just getting something because someone told

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you you should. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This one - I

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can say all day that everybody should have a

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Garmin in their truck, but in a real world scenario,

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not everyone needs a Garmin in their truck. No.

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No. No, I think to put a little asterisk on that,

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maybe not go for the guys that are making $300

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,000 a year to give you advice on your $60 ,000

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a year weekend overlander. Well - Get up. I just

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did my taxes, and I can promise you I make less

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than $50 ,000 a year, so I might be someone to

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listen to. Yeah, well, so, I mean, I guess go

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based off of, you know, what you're making and

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maybe comparatively to what the other guy is

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making because you got people like us that are

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more. budget -friendly, that are trying to get

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the biggest bang for our buck, that might be

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a little bit better advice for you than maybe

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someone who's doing it professionally as a film

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crew and has... And usually get a lot of their

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stuff for free just for sponsors. Which, you

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know, hey, that would be great, but we don't

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live in that world. Sponsors are dirty. No sponsors.

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Then we have to be all happy and go lucky. I

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want to be able to tell sponsors their products

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suck and they should go shove it. Yeah, if their

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product does suck, yes. I'm not going to be covering

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some random... What if we have some random air

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compressor try to reach out to us from Amazon

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or something like that? No, it was like air compressors,

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lights, and something else. Yeah, headlight bulbs.

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Yeah, they were trying to sponsor us. I mean,

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they were real, apparently. I did a lot of research.

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I reached out to the company and made sure, but...

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The problem was that they were going to want

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me to say good things about their product, and

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honestly, I was probably going to run it through

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the dirt. Exactly. Because that's the thing.

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If you were to get sponsors, it would have to

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be like, hey, you know that this is going to

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happen. Maybe we give you a review before we

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agree to a sponsorship. And if you pay attention

00:15:04.009 --> 00:15:07.549
to how I rate gear or talk about gear, even a

00:15:07.549 --> 00:15:10.129
good piece of gear, I might tell you why it sucks,

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even if it's good. I think anybody reviewing

00:15:14.470 --> 00:15:16.970
should do that, by the way, just for anybody

00:15:16.970 --> 00:15:19.990
who's listening. Yeah, because I'll straight

00:15:19.990 --> 00:15:22.309
up tell you, like, rooftop tents, they kind of

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suck. Are they cool as hell, and do they work

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for people? Yeah, but there are things that make

00:15:26.870 --> 00:15:31.029
them suck. Yeah, like the price. Yeah, exactly,

00:15:31.330 --> 00:15:36.529
the price. And then you have two sides of the

00:15:36.529 --> 00:15:39.889
same coin, so, you know, I love them. I think

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that they're... A good way to go. I do hate the

00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:45.019
price, too. I'll be the first one to say that.

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I just can't joke it out. Says the guy who plans

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to put it on their trailer, so we'll see how

00:15:53.059 --> 00:15:55.399
that changes your life. We'll see if I can put

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it on the trailer. I kind of talked myself out

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of that one, too. Yeah, he talks himself out

00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.279
of a lot of stuff. We'll see. I look at price

00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.220
tags, and I think... If I look at things and

00:16:07.220 --> 00:16:09.139
want to build things with a no -money intention,

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and then I start building it, I'm like, God,

00:16:11.059 --> 00:16:15.519
this is expensive. Ah, screw that. Yeah. We'll

00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.539
see. The dark side might still get you. I mean,

00:16:19.580 --> 00:16:24.379
you got me on propane fire pits, so. Yeah. I

00:16:24.379 --> 00:16:28.059
don't know if it's that dark. That's dark. It

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doesn't matter. It's literally the opposite.

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It's not like you're buying the $2 ,000 one.

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It's literally the opposite of dark. It literally

00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:39.350
makes light. Yeah. Well, you know, you don't

00:16:39.350 --> 00:16:43.450
have to get the $2 ,000 tent. There are $600,

00:16:43.570 --> 00:16:47.830
$800, $900 Temu tents or Facebook Marketplace

00:16:47.830 --> 00:16:49.889
tents that you could get for cheaper. Kevin,

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thank you so much. You just stepped me into my

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next overland hack. Chinese junk is junk, but

00:16:57.190 --> 00:16:59.950
Temu sells some Chinese junk that isn't total

00:16:59.950 --> 00:17:06.480
junk and it's worth buying. It's a gamble. I

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have a quick story on this real quick. I just

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bought a vehicle vacuum that looked like in this

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little Chinese girl's hands. It must have been

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a child. It looked like a full -size vacuum,

00:17:19.619 --> 00:17:22.720
maybe like a foot long. This thing came out like

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this, like six inches long at the max. I'm like,

00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.599
you son of a bitch. Remember that roll -up table

00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.220
I bought that ended up being like a foot off

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the ground? They literally had people in the

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description, like in the pictures, sitting around

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it in chairs like they were eating at it. And

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then it got here, I set it up, and it's a foot

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off the ground. You can't trust Temu. There are

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literal chat AI images or GPT images of like

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a camper, but like molded into three different

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things. There's like a camper on a camper inside

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of a truck. And they're like, hey, only 700 bucks.

00:18:02.690 --> 00:18:05.410
I'm like, what are you selling? So you got to

00:18:05.410 --> 00:18:07.789
be careful with Temu. I mean, did you see the

00:18:07.789 --> 00:18:11.069
Temu chair I just bought that I sent to the group

00:18:11.069 --> 00:18:14.250
chat? Yeah, I did. That thing's actually pretty

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decent quality. I paid 20 bucks for it. It can

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support up to like 400 pounds. Yeah, we'll see

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about that. I think my favorite picture out of

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Teemu so far is the one with the gazebo and the

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guy. You can tell in the picture he's actually

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talking to someone, but he's looking right at

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the tent. It's horrible. Did you see a while

00:18:38.819 --> 00:18:40.900
ago when I was looking at chairs and I was sending

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the Teemu pictures and it was the same fat American

00:18:43.619 --> 00:18:51.819
guy? Yeah. He got us. Yeah, Teemu is good. I

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would also like to add, if you aren't. like scrounging

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marketplace already, you should be. Marketplace,

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you could find, if you're looking for a certain

00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:05.079
piece of gear or even just overland, off -road

00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:08.059
stuff in general, marketplace is like second

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to none to one of the best places. That's where

00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.619
I found my winch mount. And I'll remind you,

00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:18.160
my winch mount is $800 from the manufacturer.

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I stole it for $100 and literally took a flap

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disc to it. repainted it and the guy had pretty

00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:29.500
much all the bolts to it anyway so and he gave

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me a light bar for free so yeah just so the listener

00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:35.279
knows i definitely sit and watch marketplace

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most of the recording time like i've been oh

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yeah i've been browsing marketplace this entire

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episode oh yeah that's what i that's like the

00:19:44.019 --> 00:19:45.980
main thing i do i'll throw on like an overlanding

00:19:45.980 --> 00:19:48.660
show on youtube on the tv and i'll browse marketplace

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my wife will be like are you even watching this

00:19:50.500 --> 00:19:55.279
i'm like yes i am ish I know what's going on.

00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:59.500
Yeah. I forgot what I was going to say. Dang

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it. Darn. That's all right. We'll move to the

00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:06.180
next one real quick. And this one is going to

00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:11.039
be kind of connected to the dehydrated or precooked

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meals. But precut your vegetables before you

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go out. If you're going to make like Philly cheesesteaks,

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pre -cut your peppers, your onions, your stuff

00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:23.980
like that. If you're going to make tacos, pre

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-cut the lettuce and tomatoes. And then that

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way when you're out there cooking, everything's

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pretty much already done. You just need to do

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the main protein and you have that stuff ready

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for you on the side. Makes that a lot easier,

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especially for cleanup and prep too. You already

00:20:38.740 --> 00:20:41.279
got them. They're in little Ziploc bags. You

00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:43.720
can put a spoon in it. Yep. And you're good to

00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:49.009
go. So that's a quick little tip for cutting

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down some of your kitchen time if you're trying

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to. You know, mix tacos, you know, for me, I'm

00:20:56.210 --> 00:21:00.529
doing it alone. So it'll turn an hour of cooking

00:21:00.529 --> 00:21:03.769
into 30 minutes of cooking. You know, I don't

00:21:03.769 --> 00:21:06.130
have any prep time with the vegetables or anything.

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And then, of course, if you're running like a

00:21:09.650 --> 00:21:13.150
cooler to where you're worried about perishables,

00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:17.640
uh use your most perishable stuff first usually

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um so like if you know you got stuff that's gonna

00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:24.259
only only do well for a couple days or you're

00:21:24.259 --> 00:21:27.140
worried about it going bad uh you you make the

00:21:27.140 --> 00:21:29.559
meals out of that first and kind of towards the

00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:32.440
end you go to that less perishable items um so

00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:38.339
like for instance if i have uh bacon or something

00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:40.400
like that if sometimes i take things from my

00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:43.180
fridge like an open bag of bacon or something

00:21:43.869 --> 00:21:46.150
and I'm like, hey, I've got to cook this up within

00:21:46.150 --> 00:21:50.369
a certain amount of time, I'll cook the bacon

00:21:50.369 --> 00:21:53.849
first because you also don't have to go to the

00:21:53.849 --> 00:21:56.490
store every single time that you want to go out.

00:21:56.529 --> 00:21:58.569
You can just grab a few things from your fridge,

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grab a loaf of bread, and just go. So, yeah,

00:22:02.930 --> 00:22:05.509
use your most perishable items first and kind

00:22:05.509 --> 00:22:09.269
of work your way out from there. Let's see, another

00:22:09.269 --> 00:22:12.200
good hack. See, I was going to say something

00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:14.539
opposite. I was going to say that frozen veggies

00:22:14.539 --> 00:22:21.200
are also good for keeping coolers cold. Would

00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:25.220
they? I guess you're right. Let's say you're

00:22:25.220 --> 00:22:27.440
having a bag of frozen veggies with every meal,

00:22:27.539 --> 00:22:31.079
so you have to have a good cooler for this, obviously.

00:22:31.259 --> 00:22:34.579
Preface this with don't buy cheap coolers. Yeah.

00:22:35.290 --> 00:22:37.450
Like if you buy a cheap cooler, then you're going

00:22:37.450 --> 00:22:39.809
to hate coolers and want a fridge. But if you

00:22:39.809 --> 00:22:41.630
spend the money and get a good cooler, you're

00:22:41.630 --> 00:22:43.210
probably going to be all right with the cooler

00:22:43.210 --> 00:22:49.170
for quite a while. Um, but yeah, so if you do

00:22:49.170 --> 00:22:51.950
like, let's say you're having every meal, you're

00:22:51.950 --> 00:22:53.609
going to have a bag of frozen veggies. So you

00:22:53.609 --> 00:22:55.089
have five, let's say you're going out for five

00:22:55.089 --> 00:22:58.509
days. Well, you've got five bags of ice that

00:22:58.509 --> 00:23:01.609
doesn't, uh, you know, it doesn't waste space.

00:23:02.710 --> 00:23:07.470
No, no. The only downside to that is you have

00:23:07.470 --> 00:23:10.970
them slowly thawing over that time, so you do

00:23:10.970 --> 00:23:14.529
want to use them. Yep. That's the only downside

00:23:14.529 --> 00:23:16.690
I can see to that is, you know, frozen veggies

00:23:16.690 --> 00:23:19.190
are going to thaw, whether you have ice in there

00:23:19.190 --> 00:23:21.809
or not, you know. You just should plan on eating

00:23:21.809 --> 00:23:25.750
them that week or weekend. Exactly. Plan on having

00:23:25.750 --> 00:23:29.029
them back. Use them more. Yep. Yeah. Use the

00:23:29.029 --> 00:23:30.829
more perishable stuff first if it's going to

00:23:30.829 --> 00:23:32.450
thaw out. Like I said, if you're going to be

00:23:32.450 --> 00:23:34.829
- Maybe there are levels to it. I think five

00:23:34.829 --> 00:23:37.329
days is the max I'd do the frozen veggie hack.

00:23:37.890 --> 00:23:41.509
Because if a pack of veggies thaw two days before

00:23:41.509 --> 00:23:43.130
you use them, it's not the end of the world.

00:23:43.690 --> 00:23:46.849
As long as they stay cold. But if they thaw like

00:23:46.849 --> 00:23:50.289
a week before you use them, then it kind of becomes

00:23:50.289 --> 00:23:55.960
a problem. Yeah. Right. Yep. I have some from

00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.200
Shane, and I guess I can plug in. These ones

00:23:58.200 --> 00:23:59.640
are kind of long, so I'm going to go through

00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:09.859
these. Have we touched any of them yet? No. DIY

00:24:09.859 --> 00:24:14.019
your limb risers. They can be made a lot cheaper

00:24:14.019 --> 00:24:17.220
for like $30 instead of buying them prefabbed.

00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.640
I think that was an example. He's just saying

00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.539
reverse engineer as much as possible. Yeah, right.

00:24:24.170 --> 00:24:26.730
He is, yes. I was just kind of, like, skimming

00:24:26.730 --> 00:24:33.029
as I was going. Let's see. Yeah. What does it

00:24:33.029 --> 00:24:37.130
say? The lid on his trailer. Oh, okay. Yeah.

00:24:37.750 --> 00:24:40.650
So, yeah, it's just DIYing as much as general.

00:24:43.269 --> 00:24:46.150
Materials instead of $125 or $30 for a prefab

00:24:46.150 --> 00:24:48.930
set. The lid on my trailer is made out of sheets

00:24:48.930 --> 00:24:52.559
of aluminum and heavy hinges for a gate. Or my

00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:54.799
cooking service mounts to the side of the trailer

00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:57.220
and makes for a good platform on the tire. Yeah.

00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.700
He's got fine companies, especially small startups

00:25:01.700 --> 00:25:04.480
that need product testers. He used to be a product

00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:09.140
tester for Nylite, which would send me new mounting

00:25:09.140 --> 00:25:11.599
brackets or light pods to test, exchange for

00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:14.039
reviews or critiques. It's usually pretty easy

00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:16.680
to find a company that will, at minimum, sell

00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.769
you test products at production cost. If you

00:25:19.769 --> 00:25:21.910
do reviews or testing, that's not a bad one.

00:25:21.930 --> 00:25:23.690
I've had a couple people reach out to me and

00:25:23.690 --> 00:25:27.309
see if that was something I was willing to do.

00:25:27.769 --> 00:25:29.890
Just so happened that those couple companies

00:25:29.890 --> 00:25:33.490
were like Chinese mini engine makers that wanted

00:25:33.490 --> 00:25:38.069
me to buy their mini V8 for like $1 ,000. I'm

00:25:38.069 --> 00:25:41.869
like, yeah. I want them to send me a mini V8

00:25:41.869 --> 00:25:44.029
because I want to build a little mini V8 for

00:25:44.029 --> 00:25:47.109
my desk that can be a generator. It'd be sick.

00:25:47.289 --> 00:25:49.750
Yeah, well, it was, yeah. It was a mini V8 about

00:25:49.750 --> 00:25:52.210
a foot by a foot. Oh, my God. I'd be in love.

00:25:52.210 --> 00:25:54.890
And they had little videos of it. It was so cool.

00:25:55.210 --> 00:25:57.089
And I'm like, yeah, if you could send it to me

00:25:57.089 --> 00:25:59.569
for, you know, I'll give you a product. They're

00:25:59.569 --> 00:26:01.410
like, we're not sending it free. I'm like, I'm

00:26:01.410 --> 00:26:03.930
not spending $1 ,000 for something I don't know

00:26:03.930 --> 00:26:07.470
I'm not going to get. We're not on the same page

00:26:07.470 --> 00:26:10.750
here. So I didn't end up going with that. When

00:26:10.750 --> 00:26:14.289
I was kind of trying to get into RC stuff, I

00:26:14.289 --> 00:26:16.289
wanted to find someone who would make me a mini

00:26:16.289 --> 00:26:19.880
diesel to put in an RC car. Never found anyone.

00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:21.880
Oh, yeah. How cool would it be? Just a little

00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:24.920
diesel -powered RC car? That would be kind of

00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:29.099
cool. What do you got, Mark? You got anything

00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:33.480
cool? Nothing I can think of off the top of my

00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.599
head. I mean, kind of covered most of my, what

00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:40.720
I would say, like the DIY, like instead of doing

00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:44.660
a RAM mount or whatever mount system a lot of

00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:50.420
people do for their... instead of doing a ma

00:26:50.420 --> 00:26:56.180
'am do yeah ma 'am thank you so like in mark's

00:26:56.180 --> 00:27:00.099
case we used don't we'll fix it someday but right

00:27:00.099 --> 00:27:01.980
now it's a piece of two by four that all the

00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:05.480
stuff is mounted to that mounts it mounts above

00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:09.640
the radio in the doubled in slot you really can't

00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:14.490
tell it's a piece of two by four no no Welcome

00:27:14.490 --> 00:27:17.930
to the wood life, Mark. Hey, I've got a piece

00:27:17.930 --> 00:27:20.630
of wood that's reinforcing what used to be a

00:27:20.630 --> 00:27:23.690
clock hole on my dash to make a tablet mount.

00:27:25.109 --> 00:27:27.809
Oh, yeah. Hey, I've gotten rid of a lot of my

00:27:27.809 --> 00:27:30.549
wood. Now I just have the wood shelves. So I'm

00:27:30.549 --> 00:27:33.190
doing pretty good. The only problem with wood

00:27:33.190 --> 00:27:38.809
is it's heavy. Yeah. That's it. I personally

00:27:38.809 --> 00:27:42.150
like wood. I like things made out of wood. They

00:27:42.150 --> 00:27:47.099
just tend to be heavy. Yeah, I think it doesn't

00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:49.420
match with the look I'm trying to work with right

00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:53.180
now. So that would be the only downside to wood.

00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:56.440
I'm not saying I want to look overlandy, but

00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.480
if the rest of my stuff is made out of either

00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.970
plastic or metal. and is black or gray, the wood

00:28:03.970 --> 00:28:06.309
just stands out like a sore thumb. Paint the

00:28:06.309 --> 00:28:08.109
wood black, and then you can't tell. That is

00:28:08.109 --> 00:28:13.470
the plan. If you use bed liner on the wood, then

00:28:13.470 --> 00:28:17.049
it looks like a piece of metal. If I had more

00:28:17.049 --> 00:28:19.130
time, I would have. I actually have spray -on

00:28:19.130 --> 00:28:21.730
bed liner that I was going to use, but I was

00:28:21.730 --> 00:28:23.269
like, I want to get this done, I want to get

00:28:23.269 --> 00:28:25.710
this organized first, and then we'll worry about

00:28:25.710 --> 00:28:28.390
pulling that out and doing that. So that will

00:28:28.390 --> 00:28:33.240
probably be the way. Speaking of being the way,

00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.220
I have found that Anderson connectors are like

00:28:37.220 --> 00:28:42.160
the best hack. That's a good one. Alex turned

00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.559
me on to that. Yeah. I mean, Alex turned me on

00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:47.299
to that, and I will re -say this over for maybe

00:28:47.299 --> 00:28:49.180
someone who hasn't listened to some of our previous

00:28:49.180 --> 00:28:52.619
podcast episodes. I have an Anderson connector

00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:55.680
right under my headlight on a piece of plastic

00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.440
trim that we have wired from the battery. That

00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:02.480
one's a baby Anderson connector. It is. It's

00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.900
got a little flip up top to help protect it from

00:29:04.900 --> 00:29:08.660
weather. And I use that not only to jumpstart

00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:11.279
my truck, which I have done a couple times this

00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:16.299
last week, but also to connect my air compressor.

00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:20.839
So no more. I do have limb risers on my FJ, so

00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.200
taking my limb risers off every time I want to

00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.220
pop my hood's annoying. So no more doing that.

00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.410
All I have to do is plug it in. I'm done. I'm

00:29:30.410 --> 00:29:36.569
good to go. It has been a, not lifesaver, but

00:29:36.569 --> 00:29:41.509
one of the best hacks for time. I don't have

00:29:41.509 --> 00:29:44.950
to pop my hood just to put some clamps on my

00:29:44.950 --> 00:29:49.670
battery anymore. So my air up time is that much

00:29:49.670 --> 00:29:54.269
quicker too. So I have two sets of Anderson connectors

00:29:54.269 --> 00:29:57.589
on my truck. So for anyone who doesn't know,

00:29:57.710 --> 00:30:01.089
my battery is removed from the engine bay and

00:30:01.089 --> 00:30:05.470
ran to my bed space or my cargo space. It currently

00:30:05.470 --> 00:30:08.910
lives in a packout box mounted to my bed. And

00:30:08.910 --> 00:30:12.190
I have a Anderson connector that connects to

00:30:12.190 --> 00:30:14.809
the wires that run to the truck. And then I have

00:30:14.809 --> 00:30:16.930
an Anderson connector that is meant for connecting

00:30:16.930 --> 00:30:20.650
to like a air compressor or something. It used

00:30:20.650 --> 00:30:23.299
to connect to an air compressor, but... As we

00:30:23.299 --> 00:30:25.380
all know, I've been testing cheap compressors,

00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:31.140
and I killed another one. But they're great.

00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.799
If I need to take my battery out, it takes me

00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.319
all of a minute because I just pull the handle

00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:42.299
on the pack out, slide it out, unhook the Anderson

00:30:42.299 --> 00:30:45.480
connector, my battery comes out in a box. Neat.

00:30:45.539 --> 00:30:48.240
Oh, yeah. It's great. Anderson connectors are

00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:54.369
a great, great way to do that. I think also if

00:30:54.369 --> 00:30:56.690
anybody ends up getting red tops, they are much

00:30:56.690 --> 00:31:00.130
smaller than your typical battery. I did not

00:31:00.130 --> 00:31:01.829
know that going into it. I could have got a bigger

00:31:01.829 --> 00:31:07.009
one. You can get bigger red tops too. Yeah. The

00:31:07.009 --> 00:31:09.809
red top that I got that was rated for my truck

00:31:09.809 --> 00:31:13.470
is actually, I have to kind of make a lift for

00:31:13.470 --> 00:31:16.250
the battery a little bit, a little spacer because

00:31:16.250 --> 00:31:19.210
it actually brings it down probably, I'd say

00:31:19.210 --> 00:31:23.359
probably two inches. So, just a quick fact for

00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:25.740
anybody who's interested in red tops. They're

00:31:25.740 --> 00:31:29.940
short. Yeah. But it works good. You guys talk

00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:34.039
about air compressors and interesting connectors.

00:31:34.220 --> 00:31:36.960
There's a little DIY project I have in the back

00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.279
of my head right now for a future project, but

00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.839
I don't want you into details about that yet.

00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:43.759
Oh, then why'd you bring it up? Oh, well, you

00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:46.380
can't tease it. Now you have to get into it.

00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:52.670
All right. What's this project? So, Alex shared

00:31:52.670 --> 00:31:55.529
it previously, and we discovered it. It's pretty

00:31:55.529 --> 00:31:58.529
much you can mount an ARB compressor into the

00:31:58.529 --> 00:32:03.609
packout. Oh, yeah. I have an idea in mind for

00:32:03.609 --> 00:32:07.349
one. It's not going to be the same packout box

00:32:07.349 --> 00:32:12.250
he's using. And my only issue is that the tolerance

00:32:12.250 --> 00:32:14.309
I got in the box is going to be a little small.

00:32:14.470 --> 00:32:16.730
So, like I said, it's on the back burner to see

00:32:16.730 --> 00:32:20.869
if it actually works or not. Not going to happen

00:32:20.869 --> 00:32:22.650
before Leatherwood. You want to put it in the

00:32:22.650 --> 00:32:26.509
half box, right? Yeah, the ammo can boxes. I

00:32:26.509 --> 00:32:30.769
also want to see if that works because I'd just

00:32:30.769 --> 00:32:32.690
put it right on top of my battery. It'd be awesome.

00:32:33.529 --> 00:32:38.450
Yeah. I was going to say, aren't those like coolers

00:32:38.450 --> 00:32:41.009
or something, like small coolers? There is a

00:32:41.009 --> 00:32:44.109
small cooler too. Yep. I was wondering about

00:32:44.109 --> 00:32:47.509
that. I think we talked about. Making the small

00:32:47.509 --> 00:32:49.690
cooler a water chest, I thought, when we talked

00:32:49.690 --> 00:32:52.109
previously. We had talked about the small cooler,

00:32:52.230 --> 00:32:55.349
but the non -cooler version of the same packout

00:32:55.349 --> 00:32:57.789
could store more water. That's right. So that's

00:32:57.789 --> 00:33:01.410
probably the route I'd go. Because it fits like

00:33:01.410 --> 00:33:05.490
three and a half gallons in about a similar size

00:33:05.490 --> 00:33:10.529
to your Dometic. Yeah. I thought about it just

00:33:10.529 --> 00:33:13.250
for the price, getting a second Dometic tank

00:33:13.250 --> 00:33:16.160
just to switch from. Just to have back there,

00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.319
I have the extra space. Thought about putting

00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:23.000
one of those in there. So if I'm doing the big

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.380
project, the roll cage project in the back of

00:33:26.380 --> 00:33:30.380
mine, I will probably mount my ARB to the MOLLE

00:33:30.380 --> 00:33:36.059
panel. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got to do tanks with

00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:40.680
that too, aren't you? Or no? So... I love tanks,

00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.539
but I've kind of given up on them just from a

00:33:43.539 --> 00:33:48.759
space -saving spot. So I might do a single tank,

00:33:48.859 --> 00:33:52.940
but I think that tanks would really extend the

00:33:52.940 --> 00:33:55.500
life of a compressor because it gives it a nice

00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:59.460
big cooling zone so nothing gets hot. I don't

00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:02.519
have any science to back this up, right? Like,

00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.920
this is just how I feel, not a scientific proven

00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:13.699
thing. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. I got another

00:34:13.699 --> 00:34:17.539
tip. If you like a project like ARB compressors,

00:34:17.539 --> 00:34:19.579
but you really don't want to pay the bill, always

00:34:19.579 --> 00:34:22.059
do your research. You might find it for cheaper.

00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.760
And from the same factory. I hate being the guy

00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.099
that recommends Chinese stuff, but I am broke

00:34:30.099 --> 00:34:33.940
as a joke. And a lot of times I don't have the

00:34:33.940 --> 00:34:36.500
money for the expensive good product up front.

00:34:36.909 --> 00:34:40.369
But I can get the cheap Chinese one and go through

00:34:40.369 --> 00:34:44.449
two of them before the good product is paid for,

00:34:44.590 --> 00:34:50.090
if that makes sense. I will only say to this,

00:34:50.309 --> 00:34:53.909
one, I don't really care what country it comes

00:34:53.909 --> 00:34:56.690
out of as long as it's made to quality. Yeah.

00:34:57.769 --> 00:35:02.929
Two, to, I guess, back off of what you're saying,

00:35:03.030 --> 00:35:06.590
if it takes... taking it out and replacing it

00:35:06.590 --> 00:35:10.329
twice to meet the quality of one, is it worth

00:35:10.329 --> 00:35:14.550
it? That'd be my question. If the price, it depends.

00:35:14.769 --> 00:35:17.590
Like, say my winch, right? My winch isn't a hidden

00:35:17.590 --> 00:35:19.730
winch. It sits right on the top of my bumper.

00:35:20.710 --> 00:35:23.590
I'll run a cheaper winch because if my winch

00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:26.429
fails, I just pull it out and put a new one in

00:35:26.429 --> 00:35:28.610
and probably have spent the same amount as buying

00:35:28.610 --> 00:35:31.809
one good winch that I would also replace in about

00:35:31.809 --> 00:35:35.449
the same amount of time as I replace two. I think

00:35:35.449 --> 00:35:39.409
our winches, which are kind of a good topic too,

00:35:39.469 --> 00:35:44.050
I guess, not always buying cheaper gets you worse

00:35:44.050 --> 00:35:48.369
quality. Yeah. There are plenty of five -star

00:35:48.369 --> 00:35:51.389
reviews, plenty of people that have run these

00:35:51.389 --> 00:35:54.449
cheaper winches, like the Badlands. Oh, the Badlands

00:35:54.449 --> 00:35:57.469
is not a cheaper winch. No, Badlands is not that

00:35:57.469 --> 00:35:59.849
cheap. Aren't they cheaper now? No, not really.

00:35:59.969 --> 00:36:02.250
Yeah, they come from Harbor Freight, but that's

00:36:02.250 --> 00:36:06.829
still a $650, $700 winch. I got a good deal on

00:36:06.829 --> 00:36:11.070
mine then. Yeah. No, you did. And then the X

00:36:11.070 --> 00:36:14.710
-Bowl winches are a knockoff of the Badlands

00:36:14.710 --> 00:36:18.190
winch, and I think they're actually made in the

00:36:18.190 --> 00:36:21.630
same place. They're pretty much identical depending

00:36:21.630 --> 00:36:25.329
on which X -Bowl you get. I've got the 10 ,000

00:36:25.329 --> 00:36:28.019
-pound one. I mean, I pulled a fricking FedEx

00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:31.460
truck out of the ditch with it. Like it, it's

00:36:31.460 --> 00:36:35.059
a bang solid product. Oh yeah. I got mine for

00:36:35.059 --> 00:36:36.880
a pretty damn good deal then. Cause I think I

00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:40.260
picked mine up for 300. Yeah. And it was a 12

00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:42.679
,000 pound. That's why I didn't tell you that

00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:44.480
you were buying something or that it was a waste

00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.719
of money or anything, because at the price that

00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:50.239
you paid is the same price as an Expo, which,

00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:54.340
but it was a bad one. So it was worth it. Yeah.

00:36:55.750 --> 00:36:58.989
And it goes back to by the time you would buy

00:36:58.989 --> 00:37:03.269
a worn, you're paying for, what, four of those

00:37:03.269 --> 00:37:06.690
winches by the time you get into the same quality,

00:37:06.949 --> 00:37:12.570
or not quality, but same poundage or same specifications

00:37:12.570 --> 00:37:18.909
as the worn winch? That being said, if your winch

00:37:18.909 --> 00:37:21.050
mount requires you to take your entire bumper

00:37:21.050 --> 00:37:24.400
off to replace the winch, It might be worth just

00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:28.019
buying the better quality winch up front. Yeah,

00:37:28.059 --> 00:37:31.460
if it's definitely hard to get into, I would

00:37:31.460 --> 00:37:35.920
say, thankfully, it doesn't take crap for me

00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.179
to get my stuff off. So it might be a little

00:37:38.179 --> 00:37:41.079
bit better for me. But if you got like a brand

00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.800
new Lexus and a hidden winch mount, it might

00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.960
not be worth it. Like mine, literally, I just

00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.539
take the four bolts out and lift the winch out.

00:37:48.619 --> 00:37:51.469
There's nothing. There's nothing there. There's

00:37:51.469 --> 00:37:53.510
no cover. It's just sitting on the front of my

00:37:53.510 --> 00:37:56.489
truck. Yeah, I think I have to take a total of

00:37:56.489 --> 00:37:59.190
like eight bolts out, but that still only takes

00:37:59.190 --> 00:38:03.449
like 15 minutes, if that. I think mine's going

00:38:03.449 --> 00:38:06.949
to be a little more tough to get to once I get

00:38:06.949 --> 00:38:09.570
that bumper out. Mark's is not only going to

00:38:09.570 --> 00:38:11.389
be tough to get to, he's going to put a cheap

00:38:11.389 --> 00:38:16.989
winch in it. Yeah. It's better than no winch,

00:38:16.989 --> 00:38:19.369
though, at the end of the day. There's things

00:38:19.369 --> 00:38:23.530
that you don't want to skimp on. A winch, I'm

00:38:23.530 --> 00:38:25.570
not saying you should necessarily skimp on a

00:38:25.570 --> 00:38:27.309
winch, but do your research. There might be one

00:38:27.309 --> 00:38:28.829
that's good for less. Oh, I understand. Do your

00:38:28.829 --> 00:38:30.929
research. So that'd be like the X -Bowl. I know

00:38:30.929 --> 00:38:33.809
the X -Bowls are good. I trust them. But for

00:38:33.809 --> 00:38:35.710
the most part, when it comes to recovery gear,

00:38:35.869 --> 00:38:39.130
don't buy the cheap stuff. Go out of your way

00:38:39.130 --> 00:38:41.769
to get the good, expensive, high -quality recovery

00:38:41.769 --> 00:38:44.650
gear. You know, if you buy an Expo winch or a

00:38:44.650 --> 00:38:47.489
Badlands winch, I highly recommend getting like

00:38:47.489 --> 00:38:50.550
a crawler off -road winch rope for it. It's less

00:38:50.550 --> 00:38:53.090
likely to break. It's less likely to break down

00:38:53.090 --> 00:38:56.530
over time. It's not going to, you know, the cheap

00:38:56.530 --> 00:38:59.889
lines that come on the cheaper winches, when

00:38:59.889 --> 00:39:01.710
they're wrapped tight, they kind of like melt

00:39:01.710 --> 00:39:04.530
into each other. The crawler rope isn't going

00:39:04.530 --> 00:39:07.449
to do that. You know, that's something you should

00:39:07.449 --> 00:39:10.269
pay more for. That's not something you should

00:39:10.269 --> 00:39:15.789
skimp on. your recovery straps like a uh what

00:39:15.789 --> 00:39:19.050
do they call the yankum ropes or whatever don't

00:39:19.050 --> 00:39:21.329
buy the cheapest one you can find go out of your

00:39:21.329 --> 00:39:24.550
way to buy the good high quality product yeah

00:39:24.550 --> 00:39:28.570
yeah i think i have like a mid mine's like the

00:39:28.570 --> 00:39:30.650
middle ground and that was just so that i could

00:39:30.650 --> 00:39:33.090
get a kinetic rope i think i have the me only

00:39:33.090 --> 00:39:35.050
ones and that was kind of a middle ground rope

00:39:35.050 --> 00:39:38.070
the thing A thing that we should preface this

00:39:38.070 --> 00:39:42.010
is Mioli sponsors Mitten State Tours, which is

00:39:42.010 --> 00:39:45.550
one of the groups that we're part of. They give

00:39:45.550 --> 00:39:48.630
us a lot of discount codes, a lot of deals. So

00:39:48.630 --> 00:39:51.590
we might run the cheaper product just because

00:39:51.590 --> 00:39:56.969
they're helping our group out. Yep. Oh, shoot.

00:39:57.050 --> 00:40:00.869
I did it just because of the price. Yeah. I mean,

00:40:00.909 --> 00:40:04.010
it's just the discount code. I don't have any.

00:40:04.699 --> 00:40:07.099
I would say this, too, just because we were just

00:40:07.099 --> 00:40:10.980
talking shit about a sponsor, but we don't have

00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:14.340
any, we, the Botches crew, don't have any loyalty

00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:17.300
towards Mioly. No. Not even a little. That's

00:40:17.300 --> 00:40:21.039
the preface on it. We use the discount code to

00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:26.079
get a cheaper, yeah, to get cheaper gear, but

00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.780
we have no loyalty. If it sucks, we'll tell you.

00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:33.039
They gave us... So far, they haven't. They gave

00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:40.860
us a flat tow rope about a year ago, and I'll

00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:43.019
say we beat the piss out of that tow rope, and

00:40:43.019 --> 00:40:45.579
it's still going. Oh, 100%. It is still going.

00:40:46.219 --> 00:40:49.280
I'm not going to say they make the best product,

00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.559
but I will say that so far, it has worked for

00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.280
us. Oh, yeah, 100%. For the price point, yeah.

00:40:54.980 --> 00:40:59.130
Yeah, definitely. I think I've only used my kinetic

00:40:59.130 --> 00:41:03.130
strap once, and it got me out of my little jam.

00:41:03.309 --> 00:41:06.730
A little Ford Ranger pulled me out with it. Sad

00:41:06.730 --> 00:41:11.829
to say, but it got me out of my little jam really

00:41:11.829 --> 00:41:14.530
quick, and that's the only time I've had to use

00:41:14.530 --> 00:41:17.489
it, but I'm glad I had it. So at the end of the

00:41:17.489 --> 00:41:21.690
day, it's... And I won't say this either. I wouldn't

00:41:21.690 --> 00:41:25.769
say find the cheapest you can, obviously, but...

00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:28.739
having something is better than nothing also

00:41:28.739 --> 00:41:34.219
100 so doing your research 100 like i if i'm

00:41:34.219 --> 00:41:36.980
on amazon which is the second most thing that

00:41:36.980 --> 00:41:40.230
i'm scrolling around other than marketplace I

00:41:40.230 --> 00:41:42.690
am checking all the five star reviews and then

00:41:42.690 --> 00:41:44.889
I'm going down and checking all the one, two

00:41:44.889 --> 00:41:47.989
and three star reviews to see because basically

00:41:47.989 --> 00:41:50.409
four stars or five stars, they just are nitpicky.

00:41:50.769 --> 00:41:54.250
So, so one, two and three star reviews are like

00:41:54.250 --> 00:41:56.269
what I'm looking for. And if I see a bunch of

00:41:56.269 --> 00:41:59.349
stuff that's saying the same thing, like a rope

00:41:59.349 --> 00:42:04.980
snapped one use or. This product died after four

00:42:04.980 --> 00:42:07.440
uses, and I'm seeing a bunch of that. That's

00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:11.019
a good sign. Do your research on cheaper products.

00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.460
I don't remember who the guy was, but there was

00:42:13.460 --> 00:42:17.300
a guy who was making ... All he was doing for

00:42:17.300 --> 00:42:20.639
a while was testing tow ropes and recovery ropes,

00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.840
stuff like that, to see their breaking points.

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.659
I can't remember who it was. I know who you're

00:42:25.659 --> 00:42:27.940
talking about. I thought it was something to

00:42:27.940 --> 00:42:32.119
do with ... I think it's Matt McKenzie. Maybe.

00:42:32.510 --> 00:42:37.309
Yeah, I can't remember. Yeah, it is. Well, it

00:42:37.309 --> 00:42:39.570
might not be yours, but I would check out Matt

00:42:39.570 --> 00:42:43.349
McKenzie if you're looking at it. He's got a

00:42:43.349 --> 00:42:47.150
Facebook where he does a lot of the testing for

00:42:47.150 --> 00:42:54.050
kinetic strapping and stuff like that and why

00:42:54.050 --> 00:42:56.670
you should use it this way instead of that way

00:42:56.670 --> 00:43:01.309
and proper recovery techniques. Seems very...

00:43:02.349 --> 00:43:04.369
Seems like he kind of knows what he's doing a

00:43:04.369 --> 00:43:07.670
little bit. So maybe just a good reference to

00:43:07.670 --> 00:43:12.769
go off of. All right, for another hack, stickers

00:43:12.769 --> 00:43:17.190
are cheaper than paint. The first time. But by

00:43:17.190 --> 00:43:19.309
the time that you've redone the stickers three

00:43:19.309 --> 00:43:22.150
or four times, the paint would have been cheaper.

00:43:23.630 --> 00:43:31.019
Stickers are cheaper, like, per sticker. And

00:43:31.019 --> 00:43:33.059
that's the only reason I would do a sticker,

00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:35.900
because I just put it on the paint like a Band

00:43:35.900 --> 00:43:39.800
-Aid. And then as more Band -Aids are acquired,

00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.500
you just keep adding them. If you do it right,

00:43:42.619 --> 00:43:45.420
you can get an entire sticker pack for like $18,

00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:48.599
right? And then you just cover your entire fender

00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:52.760
with it. It's great. As long as you're not picky.

00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.099
Yeah, you just can't be picky. I'm pretty picky

00:43:56.099 --> 00:44:00.780
with my stickers. Me too. I literally bought

00:44:00.780 --> 00:44:04.599
like six or seven hundred sticker sticker packs

00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:09.239
and maybe put 80 total stickers on. Oh, yeah.

00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:14.139
Yep. Man, you have leftovers. Oh, they're gone

00:44:14.139 --> 00:44:18.349
now. This was two years ago. I have to take a

00:44:18.349 --> 00:44:21.469
look. I like stickers. It's a weird thing, man.

00:44:21.570 --> 00:44:24.010
Me and Sienna will go to these little shops along

00:44:24.010 --> 00:44:26.730
the coast of the UP and stuff, and we're always

00:44:26.730 --> 00:44:29.650
looking at, ooh, that's a badass sticker. You've

00:44:29.650 --> 00:44:31.469
got to think about how many times I've had to

00:44:31.469 --> 00:44:33.650
redo my sticker bomb, which I need to do it again

00:44:33.650 --> 00:44:36.070
because I put a piece of vinyl over it and ruined

00:44:36.070 --> 00:44:39.969
my beautiful sticker bomb. Yeah, I'm kind of

00:44:39.969 --> 00:44:42.210
a sticker whore, man. I go into those little

00:44:42.210 --> 00:44:45.510
shops that get all the tourists, and I'm like,

00:44:45.530 --> 00:44:47.269
what do you got? What do you got for stickers?

00:44:47.389 --> 00:44:49.110
It's like the first thing I go to. Since I'm

00:44:49.110 --> 00:44:51.550
replacing my rear windows with gull wings, I'm

00:44:51.550 --> 00:44:53.610
really sad that I'm losing all the stickers on

00:44:53.610 --> 00:44:57.590
my back window. Heck yeah, dude. So now I got

00:44:57.590 --> 00:45:01.690
to figure out where to get more and replace them.

00:45:03.610 --> 00:45:06.849
And then you lose your giant vinyl one. Oh, my

00:45:06.849 --> 00:45:10.309
botches vinyl? No, no, no. Well, that one too,

00:45:10.429 --> 00:45:13.690
but the Forrest of America flag one. Oh, that's

00:45:13.690 --> 00:45:16.510
been gone for like eight months. Oh, I didn't

00:45:16.510 --> 00:45:18.650
realize you took it off then. Yeah, no, it had

00:45:18.650 --> 00:45:21.889
like, I dragged it across the tree when we were

00:45:21.889 --> 00:45:23.769
getting ready for third gen weekend last year,

00:45:23.829 --> 00:45:27.070
and it peeled half the sticker off, so I just

00:45:27.070 --> 00:45:30.409
finished it off. How did I not realize you took

00:45:30.409 --> 00:45:32.789
that off? Dude, it's been gone for a long time.

00:45:34.210 --> 00:45:36.670
I don't even think it was there. I don't even

00:45:36.670 --> 00:45:38.329
think it was there when we went to Missouri.

00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:42.619
You guys are like synced up swivel chairing right

00:45:42.619 --> 00:45:48.940
now. You guys have been both like swivel chair

00:45:48.940 --> 00:45:51.039
life, man. I got to get me a new swivel chair.

00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:56.440
I got this one for free. This is my wonderful

00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:59.420
office hack. You can find free chairs on the

00:45:59.420 --> 00:46:02.119
side of the road, and sometimes they're still

00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.199
good. This is just a random one that's in the

00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:09.099
workhouse. I almost stole a recliner off the

00:46:09.099 --> 00:46:12.039
side of the road on 120th because I was like,

00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:16.079
hmm. They just put it out, too. I'm like, nah,

00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:19.179
I'm not chancing it. There's just too much cushion.

00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.780
That recliner, you could tell, was older, so

00:46:22.780 --> 00:46:25.119
I'm just like the old man farting in it for 30

00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:26.420
years. I'm like, I don't want to smoke farts.

00:46:26.420 --> 00:46:29.130
You got to catch it before it rains. A leather

00:46:29.130 --> 00:46:32.090
office chair I would grab off the side of the

00:46:32.090 --> 00:46:34.889
road. I can't say I'd take a recliner, though

00:46:34.889 --> 00:46:39.449
I have definitely taken couches. Oh, yeah. I

00:46:39.449 --> 00:46:41.889
did take this computer desk that I actually have

00:46:41.889 --> 00:46:45.610
my setup on from right before the school starts

00:46:45.610 --> 00:46:49.130
on, I think, 120th. They were getting rid of

00:46:49.130 --> 00:46:50.969
stuff from that big building. I don't know what

00:46:50.969 --> 00:46:53.590
that building is. It was like old school storage

00:46:53.590 --> 00:46:56.690
or something up there. It has a little roundabout

00:46:56.690 --> 00:46:58.960
in it. Next time you pass it, you'll see it.

00:47:00.059 --> 00:47:02.920
Before, oh wait, so coming towards Grant from.

00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:08.699
Coming, like if I'm driving towards Grant. It

00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:11.639
would be before the school on the left. Oh, that's

00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:16.019
the bus garage. Yeah, but it wasn't the actual

00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:18.719
garage itself. It looked like a kind of a house.

00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.179
It's the bus garage storage right next to it.

00:47:22.359 --> 00:47:24.099
I was going to say, isn't he talking about, like,

00:47:24.139 --> 00:47:26.360
what to me looks like a retirement home, but

00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:27.960
has, like, a giant drive -thru? Yeah, yeah. Oh,

00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.480
yeah. No, that is totally someone's house. It's

00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:35.219
a very expensive house. It's ugly as hell. No,

00:47:35.219 --> 00:47:38.639
that's it. Yeah, that's it, though. Because they

00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:40.800
put a bunch of stuff on the side of the road

00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.559
last year or the year before, and this computer

00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.679
desk is one of them. And I was like, sweet. And

00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:48.300
then I went to go pick it up, and I'm like, yeah.

00:47:50.030 --> 00:47:51.690
I had to go pick this thing up and I was like,

00:47:51.730 --> 00:47:54.670
holy shit, it's like a hundred pounds. It's mostly

00:47:54.670 --> 00:47:59.889
metal. I built my computer desk from some plywood

00:47:59.889 --> 00:48:06.030
that I bought at Menards. And it is an eight

00:48:06.030 --> 00:48:09.369
foot by six foot L. Like it is a massive desk.

00:48:10.349 --> 00:48:14.170
It is. You could do a couple more computers there

00:48:14.170 --> 00:48:16.880
if you wanted to. There was a time. There was

00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.599
a time not too long ago that I had eight computers

00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:25.059
on this desk at one time. Yep. But, hey, see,

00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:28.960
you're getting Overland tips and you're getting

00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.559
at -home tips for being cheap like we are. So

00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:38.940
now, yeah. Monitor stands make good TV mounts

00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:42.460
for inside of vans if we want to talk van life.

00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:48.840
I thought about doing van life a while ago. I

00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.619
was helping my buddy Josh build out a van before

00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:57.199
he went back home to Indiana. It was pretty fun.

00:48:57.940 --> 00:49:01.480
We built him a pretty cool bed platform. We were

00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.880
working on insulating it and building his desk

00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:10.500
space when he went down there. Man. You know

00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:15.000
what? Back to our finding shit for cheap. Facebook

00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.179
Marketplace is where I found my drawer slide

00:49:17.179 --> 00:49:25.099
or my fridge slide for $50 instead of $200. For

00:49:25.099 --> 00:49:30.619
$50 more, if I could find a second slide, I would

00:49:30.619 --> 00:49:33.519
probably have a second slide so that I could

00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:36.340
have my equipment and drawers mounted on that

00:49:36.340 --> 00:49:39.699
to pull from, by the way. That was super cheap.

00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.659
Might be good for anybody who's thinking about

00:49:42.659 --> 00:49:46.340
it. Having some kind of pull -out drawer system

00:49:46.340 --> 00:49:51.119
or mount system for it. Those were all over.

00:49:51.179 --> 00:49:52.900
You get to, like, towards the end of the year

00:49:52.900 --> 00:49:54.619
and all these people that were like, oh, this

00:49:54.619 --> 00:49:57.400
was fun camping and doing my little overland

00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:59.820
thing. That's, like, the best thing for Marketplace

00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:03.300
is you get the subdivision overlanders, the ones

00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:05.920
that do it for, like, a summer. And then they're

00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.599
like, camping isn't my thing. I think we're going

00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:10.780
to step up to an RV. And then you're like, you

00:50:10.780 --> 00:50:14.920
get all their shit for cheap. Right now, there

00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:18.679
are a bunch of these portable battery stations

00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.900
for super cheap right now. Oh. I keep looking

00:50:21.900 --> 00:50:26.420
at them. Another hack is to join the Overlanding

00:50:26.420 --> 00:50:31.780
for the Poors Facebook group. Yeah. It's mostly

00:50:31.780 --> 00:50:34.699
shit posting, but every once in a while, someone

00:50:34.699 --> 00:50:37.880
posts something pretty sick. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:41.460
Or you get to see other people's builds. I mean,

00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:45.539
if you want some hacks too, this is like, I guess

00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:49.940
an obvious one, but also go to meets, like go

00:50:49.940 --> 00:50:52.679
to like rigs and coffee, meet up with other people

00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.440
that do the same thing you do. Because if you're

00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.559
looking for hacks, there's not that the people

00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.619
are hacks, but they have cheap ways of doing

00:51:01.619 --> 00:51:03.820
things. There are other like -minded people like

00:51:03.820 --> 00:51:07.679
you in your areas, more so in places other than

00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.630
Michigan. Like, we do our rigs at coffee, and

00:51:11.630 --> 00:51:13.969
it's a good time to sit there, talk to people,

00:51:14.030 --> 00:51:17.630
see what they're set up as. We don't have a lot

00:51:17.630 --> 00:51:20.710
of, like, high -dollar guys there. A couple of

00:51:20.710 --> 00:51:22.070
them. What are you talking about? A couple of

00:51:22.070 --> 00:51:24.489
the bougie ones. There are so many high -dollar

00:51:24.489 --> 00:51:27.590
guys at our rigs and coffee. There's a couple

00:51:27.590 --> 00:51:29.969
of bougie ones. And then you have, like, us and

00:51:29.969 --> 00:51:32.449
the rest of the, like, Lexus gang. You were parked

00:51:32.449 --> 00:51:37.630
next to a fully built -out F -350 Tremor. I'm

00:51:37.630 --> 00:51:39.570
just saying there's a couple. I'm not saying

00:51:39.570 --> 00:51:42.570
that our whole... If you put in how many people

00:51:42.570 --> 00:51:45.210
were in our parking lot, there were a lot of

00:51:45.210 --> 00:51:48.550
Jeeps, there were Toyotas and Lexus, but if you

00:51:48.550 --> 00:51:52.750
take away the people that sponsor it, then there

00:51:52.750 --> 00:51:54.829
really is only a couple of the high -dollar groups.

00:51:54.849 --> 00:51:58.030
There's a lot of them. There's a lot more in

00:51:58.030 --> 00:52:05.099
your eyes, Gavin. There's a lot of them. I don't

00:52:05.099 --> 00:52:06.780
know. I don't think that there is. To be honest,

00:52:06.780 --> 00:52:09.239
I would say Derek has higher value items than

00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:14.480
his. You say he does? No. I wouldn't say so.

00:52:14.619 --> 00:52:17.019
Derek Becker. Lexus Derek? Oh, Lexus Derek. Yeah.

00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:20.360
I'm not saying either of them. I mean, I'd say

00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:22.039
Derek Becker doesn't count because he kind of

00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:26.039
sponsors them, but all his stuff has to be there.

00:52:26.900 --> 00:52:29.780
The other guy owns a freaking off -road shop,

00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:35.360
so he kind of has to have the setup. I mean,

00:52:35.420 --> 00:52:37.860
you got Zeke that's got the built -out 4Runner,

00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.039
but he doesn't really ever come around. All right,

00:52:40.059 --> 00:52:44.719
I'm looking through pictures. You have the Tremor.

00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:47.699
I see a fully built -out Tacoma in the very first

00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:51.659
picture. Two more fully built, or not fully built

00:52:51.659 --> 00:52:55.960
out, but brand new Trailhunters. I see a row

00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:58.320
of Jeeps, all of which are pretty well built.

00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:03.619
There's a lot of high -dollar people, dude. I

00:53:03.619 --> 00:53:05.719
guess that's not my version of high dollar then

00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:11.400
because like my high dollar would be the closer

00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:14.539
to $100 ,000 plus. That's like my high dollar.

00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:16.539
A lot of these - When you're running a Tremor

00:53:16.539 --> 00:53:20.920
with a full LU cab setup, full solar, full everything

00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.739
- This Tacoma? Okay, yep. This Tacoma built out,

00:53:23.820 --> 00:53:28.480
I bet you that's 100 grand. Yeah. I guess, yeah,

00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:31.619
but that's only like two, three, four out of,

00:53:31.619 --> 00:53:33.889
like I don't - Any of the Jeeps I'm not putting

00:53:33.889 --> 00:53:35.670
in that range. How much is the new Trailhunters?

00:53:35.670 --> 00:53:38.110
There are definitely a lot of Jeeps that go to

00:53:38.110 --> 00:53:39.889
Riggs & Coffey that are close to that range.

00:53:40.550 --> 00:53:43.550
A lot of them. I would only put like, I don't

00:53:43.550 --> 00:53:47.329
think I would include that at all. But how much

00:53:47.329 --> 00:53:49.369
is the new Trailhunters? We had two brand new

00:53:49.369 --> 00:53:52.449
Trailhunters there. Yeah. Oh, I've seen those.

00:53:52.550 --> 00:53:55.630
Those are fine. There are Jeeps that are built

00:53:55.630 --> 00:53:58.510
out that go to Riggs & Coffey that are well over

00:53:58.510 --> 00:54:02.960
$100 ,000. I don't know. Maybe we're going to

00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:04.440
have to point them out next time and count them

00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:08.340
out because I don't think that a lot of them

00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:12.460
are. I think a lot of them are $60 ,000 to start,

00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.840
and then they've got $40 ,000 in upgrades. Yeah.

00:54:15.980 --> 00:54:18.500
Well, if we're counting all brand -new prices

00:54:18.500 --> 00:54:21.820
of vehicles from the start, I guess that's hard

00:54:21.820 --> 00:54:23.860
to argue with how much money you're spending

00:54:23.860 --> 00:54:25.699
on them. But there's a lot of basically brand

00:54:25.699 --> 00:54:28.309
-new Jeeps there. There's a lot of Jeeps that

00:54:28.309 --> 00:54:32.070
are only a year or two years old. I guess I'm

00:54:32.070 --> 00:54:36.170
looking at the upgrades versus the price, the

00:54:36.170 --> 00:54:38.429
MSRP of the vehicle. Okay, well, that's different.

00:54:38.750 --> 00:54:42.969
Jesus Christ, I shouldn't have to switch my story

00:54:42.969 --> 00:54:46.849
every week. You've got to look at the MSRP of

00:54:46.849 --> 00:54:48.570
the vehicle if you're talking high -dollar builds.

00:54:49.550 --> 00:54:53.510
Yeah. No, no. When the build comes, if I saw

00:54:53.510 --> 00:54:59.219
a 93 4Runner, but it had an LU cab pop -up tent,

00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.719
fully plumbed systems, double, you know, had

00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.699
all the bells and whistles, that would be a high

00:55:05.699 --> 00:55:07.980
-dollar unit. So then you're talking about Lexus

00:55:07.980 --> 00:55:09.760
Derrick then. At that point, you're talking about

00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.500
all the stuff he's put into it. Lexus Derrick

00:55:12.500 --> 00:55:17.320
hasn't put up nearly as much money. He doesn't

00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:21.920
have $60 ,000 in upgrades. Well, no, not upgrades,

00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.639
but all Victory 4x4 stuff, every inch. That's

00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:30.619
a lot of money, man. I would not consider that.

00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:34.860
And, you know, maybe I am the one that's not

00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:37.960
looking at it right. His massive tent, rooftop

00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:42.119
tent. I mean, he told us the price. It wasn't

00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:44.719
really that crazy. No, but the actual price of

00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:48.900
it is like $8 ,000. Yeah. Yeah, but he didn't

00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:52.260
get it for that. No. Because he got sponsored.

00:55:52.260 --> 00:55:56.179
I mean, I don't know. Oh, God, by Mioli? No,

00:55:56.179 --> 00:55:59.960
by CVT. Oh, well, that I don't know anything

00:55:59.960 --> 00:56:02.420
about. I didn't know he was actually sponsored

00:56:02.420 --> 00:56:07.400
by CVT, but he is the premier Michigan's overland

00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:13.179
influencer, so it's only to be expected. I guess

00:56:13.179 --> 00:56:16.019
what I'm talking about is when I think of high

00:56:16.019 --> 00:56:20.639
-dollar build, I'm not thinking of the MSRP of

00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:23.110
the vehicle because... If you go off the MSRP

00:56:23.110 --> 00:56:26.530
of any vehicle brand new, it's kind of moot to

00:56:26.530 --> 00:56:29.250
me, so I'm not really going off of that. If I'm

00:56:29.250 --> 00:56:31.510
going off MSRP, I'm talking a vehicle that's

00:56:31.510 --> 00:56:33.989
a year to two years old, and we have a lot of

00:56:33.989 --> 00:56:37.849
those. Yeah, I could say that. Yeah, you have

00:56:37.849 --> 00:56:40.710
a lot of high -priced vehicles. And a lot of

00:56:40.710 --> 00:56:42.869
those high -priced vehicles have pretty high

00:56:42.869 --> 00:56:50.519
-priced builds on top of them. Yeah. So I guess,

00:56:50.579 --> 00:56:52.519
yeah, we have two different definitions of that.

00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:56.119
My definition of a high -dollar build would be

00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:59.960
all the upgrades that you have combined. How

00:56:59.960 --> 00:57:05.019
much have they purchased out of overland tax,

00:57:05.219 --> 00:57:10.440
if you will? If I see a 250 Tremor with the full

00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.940
alley cab setup, he had fully plumbed water,

00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:17.849
solar, he had the ARB, he had all that. You're

00:57:17.849 --> 00:57:21.369
looking at almost the MSRP of other vehicles

00:57:21.369 --> 00:57:23.949
in that same lot. And that's kind of what I'm

00:57:23.949 --> 00:57:27.130
looking at. I mean, that's not necessarily. The

00:57:27.130 --> 00:57:30.110
price of upgrades getting. The radio chatter,

00:57:30.269 --> 00:57:32.809
guys, that's a high quality. That's a high price

00:57:32.809 --> 00:57:34.670
build. I don't know if you've seen their truck.

00:57:37.610 --> 00:57:41.610
Well, I guess. No, I don't think I've seen their

00:57:41.610 --> 00:57:45.489
build. That is very much so a high dollar build.

00:57:45.610 --> 00:57:52.570
That thing is sick. Which, what is it? Colorado?

00:57:52.909 --> 00:57:54.469
Yeah. I think it's a Colorado, yeah. Is it a

00:57:54.469 --> 00:57:57.710
Colorado? And it's got, like... Yeah, I don't

00:57:57.710 --> 00:58:01.110
know. I'm just... Yeah. I mean, like, I wouldn't

00:58:01.110 --> 00:58:05.289
consider Lexus Derek as a high -priced build

00:58:05.289 --> 00:58:07.230
guy. I mean, he doesn't have... I don't either.

00:58:07.349 --> 00:58:11.389
But what about, like... What about JD? That's

00:58:11.389 --> 00:58:15.030
a high -dollar build. Yeah. Absolutely. I think

00:58:15.030 --> 00:58:19.880
she's got a lot of money in that. Even... Mitch

00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:21.760
McPherson out of Traverse got a very similar

00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:26.679
Tacoma build. But, yeah, they have the full frickin'

00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:29.219
setup on there. That's kind of what I'm looking

00:58:29.219 --> 00:58:32.639
at is, like, when you start breaking down the

00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:32.940
price of upgrades. He's talking about the true

00:58:32.940 --> 00:58:37.239
overlanders is what he's referring to. I'm talking

00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:41.170
about the price of upgrades. I know. But the

00:58:41.170 --> 00:58:43.329
vehicles you're talking about now, now I realize

00:58:43.329 --> 00:58:45.530
what you're referring to is a true overlay and

00:58:45.530 --> 00:58:48.309
build. This is your stereotypical overlay and

00:58:48.309 --> 00:58:51.449
build. Okay. I just want you to watch this video

00:58:51.449 --> 00:58:54.130
of the radio chatter guys, Rick, because it is

00:58:54.130 --> 00:58:59.070
sick. Like, that is... Yeah, I don't consider

00:58:59.070 --> 00:59:02.070
the typical Jeeps that are sitting over there

00:59:02.070 --> 00:59:07.400
that are built for off -road. Yeah. I'll be the

00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:11.420
first one. Dude, a lot of that. The actual off

00:59:11.420 --> 00:59:13.500
-road building of a vehicle is more expensive

00:59:13.500 --> 00:59:16.400
than the overland part. Oh, 100%. That is true.

00:59:16.659 --> 00:59:19.699
A true off -road build is more expensive than

00:59:19.699 --> 00:59:22.019
the overland. Oh, I mean, when it comes to suspension

00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:24.239
and stuff, but when I'm coming to the activity

00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:28.800
of it, I'm not thinking of. What? I'm trying

00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:31.159
to look at this video at the same time now. Where

00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:34.300
are they? Oh, fuck. I sent the wrong one. I sent

00:59:34.300 --> 00:59:38.090
the wrong one. I was like, what is going on here?

00:59:38.170 --> 00:59:40.590
Yeah, they're going down the line. Give me a

00:59:40.590 --> 00:59:48.949
second. No, but, like, you go out to Sand Lake.

00:59:49.489 --> 00:59:51.989
Yeah, you were at Sand Lake there, Gavin. Those

00:59:51.989 --> 00:59:53.730
are a lot of high -dollar bills, and they're

00:59:53.730 --> 00:59:56.409
just off -road toys. Okay, so I did. Oh, yeah,

00:59:56.489 --> 00:59:59.269
yeah. I'm not, yeah. I'm definitely not talking

00:59:59.269 --> 01:00:03.010
off -road toys. I'm talking built for overlanding,

01:00:03.010 --> 01:00:06.059
able to. able to do the overlanding thing i did

01:00:06.059 --> 01:00:07.980
send the right one but it's because i was looking

01:00:07.980 --> 01:00:10.119
at the thumbnail the thumbnail for this video

01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:14.199
has their truck in it that sucks i wonder how

01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:18.360
long it is till we get there oh i just got there

01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:22.960
oh yeah they they have a fucking crazy yeah they

01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:26.019
got a nice setup there that is a high dollar

01:00:26.019 --> 01:00:29.159
build that thing is sick that's see that's That's

01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:31.559
what I would consider. They have the Alucab,

01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:36.179
full drawer setup, fridge, solar. Including the

01:00:36.179 --> 01:00:38.019
price of the truck that they bought brand new,

01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.900
they're probably just scratching the $100 ,000

01:00:40.900 --> 01:00:50.539
mark with that build. Yeah, just barely. Now,

01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:53.539
if you fully built out a Cybertruck, then yeah,

01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:55.679
that's a high dollar bill right there of itself.

01:00:56.059 --> 01:01:00.239
Which we have those too. At Rigs and Coffee.

01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:07.099
Oh, not Cybertrucks, but Rivian. Rivians. I haven't

01:01:07.099 --> 01:01:08.980
seen the Rivian, but the Rivians are badass.

01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:11.260
Dude, the guy that drives the Rivian is one of

01:01:11.260 --> 01:01:15.280
the coolest people too. He's fucking cool. I'd

01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.550
probably... I should reach out to him and see

01:01:17.550 --> 01:01:21.610
if he wants to do an episode with us. Yeah. It'd

01:01:21.610 --> 01:01:25.050
be cool to see his pros and cons. Talk about

01:01:25.050 --> 01:01:29.110
that a little bit. Well, not just his rig, but

01:01:29.110 --> 01:01:34.829
him and one of my friend's dads started a, like,

01:01:34.889 --> 01:01:41.289
helping men with mental health type organization.

01:01:42.030 --> 01:01:45.559
Oh, yeah. By using trails. So I'd like. I've

01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:48.699
kind of talked to Dr. Riolini a little bit about

01:01:48.699 --> 01:01:52.579
him coming on, but I think the guy that drives

01:01:52.579 --> 01:01:55.900
the Rivian might be a better fit for us. Dr.

01:01:56.179 --> 01:01:58.860
Riolini's a great guy, but I think the guy with

01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:01.960
the Rivian fits our vibe a little better. Hmm.

01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.559
Now, you want to talk high dollar bells. What

01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:13.119
was the one that we saw at mail? Oh, the - Hey,

01:02:13.139 --> 01:02:16.690
do you have it belled yet? Yeah, the – oh, my

01:02:16.690 --> 01:02:19.010
God. It's the one that's based off the old Land

01:02:19.010 --> 01:02:26.150
Rover. Yeah. It's – the guy that drives it is

01:02:26.150 --> 01:02:31.510
one of the founders of Overland America. Yeah.

01:02:32.590 --> 01:02:39.530
Robbie Bryant. It's a – oh, my God. The Enos

01:02:39.530 --> 01:02:43.150
or whatever? Oh, Enos Grenadier. Yeah, the Grenadier.

01:02:43.190 --> 01:02:46.780
Thank you. That's a high -dollar build. Yes.

01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.800
But talking to Robbie, you'd never guess that

01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:53.679
he made that kind of money. He's such a down

01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:57.219
-to -earth guy. Yes. A lot of those guys, you

01:02:57.219 --> 01:03:00.519
find a lot of them that make that kind of money

01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:03.880
that are really down -to -earth. I've got his

01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:06.500
business card right here because I'm supposed

01:03:06.500 --> 01:03:09.920
to call him to set up an interview, and I keep

01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:16.469
forgetting to do it. Probably should reach out

01:03:16.469 --> 01:03:19.730
to him. Robbie's an awesome dude. I'm hoping

01:03:19.730 --> 01:03:24.250
that when we go down to Benji's event this fall

01:03:24.250 --> 01:03:28.489
that Benji, Benji, listen to this episode and

01:03:28.489 --> 01:03:30.789
definitely do the Thanksgiving dinner event.

01:03:31.150 --> 01:03:34.150
We want it. Yes. All right. Since I know Benji

01:03:34.150 --> 01:03:37.789
listens to us like once a week or so, hopefully

01:03:37.789 --> 01:03:41.949
this is the episode he listens to. Yeah. But

01:03:41.949 --> 01:03:44.010
I'm hoping to run into Robbie again when we go

01:03:44.010 --> 01:03:47.289
down there because he's probably my favorite

01:03:47.289 --> 01:03:50.309
person we talked to that whole weekend. Yeah.

01:03:51.869 --> 01:03:57.769
Other than, of course, Benji. Benji. Benji was

01:03:57.769 --> 01:04:00.269
all over the place that whole weekend. Oh, he

01:04:00.269 --> 01:04:03.469
had lots to do. We barely got to talk to Benji.

01:04:04.670 --> 01:04:07.309
I'm sure he had plenty of things to do. I mean,

01:04:07.429 --> 01:04:09.070
we sat around the fire with him for a while.

01:04:11.869 --> 01:04:15.150
I know you don't really follow a lot of the mainstream

01:04:15.150 --> 01:04:18.909
guys, but did you see Independence Overland's

01:04:18.909 --> 01:04:23.630
new Trailhunter build? Nope. No? Oh, there you

01:04:23.630 --> 01:04:25.869
go. There you want to talk about high -dollar

01:04:25.869 --> 01:04:28.409
builds. They took the whole bed off of the Trailhunter

01:04:28.409 --> 01:04:35.050
and put the whole Alucab box on them. Like the

01:04:35.050 --> 01:04:39.000
Australian Ute. Dude, I want to build an Australian

01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:43.880
ute -style truck. Oh, yeah, that'd be cool. I

01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:45.780
was trying to get Mark to do it, but then he's

01:04:45.780 --> 01:04:48.139
like, it's so much money, and I'm like, God damn

01:04:48.139 --> 01:04:52.699
it, you're right. It is, yeah. But hey, man,

01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:54.539
you could build it. Build it yourself. Do it

01:04:54.539 --> 01:04:57.400
out of plywood. If I buy that truck that I keep

01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:00.820
saying I might buy, maybe we'll just do it with

01:05:00.820 --> 01:05:08.989
that. Then it could be a fast. Ute style. After

01:05:08.989 --> 01:05:13.489
all that wood? I don't know. We were just talking

01:05:13.489 --> 01:05:15.590
about how heavy wood is. We'll see. I would not

01:05:15.590 --> 01:05:17.530
do it out of wood. It would be aluminum. No,

01:05:17.530 --> 01:05:19.769
he wouldn't do it out of wood. I mean, we got

01:05:19.769 --> 01:05:22.090
my brother to weld up stuff. That would be a

01:05:22.090 --> 01:05:30.309
high dollar build. Yes. With a removable cartridge

01:05:30.309 --> 01:05:35.929
and a Ute style bed. and on that platform, that

01:05:35.929 --> 01:05:40.010
would be a high -dollar build. I agree. I think

01:05:40.010 --> 01:05:42.190
by the time that you got that done and it fully

01:05:42.190 --> 01:05:45.230
built out, I would agree. Yeah, that'd be...

01:05:45.230 --> 01:05:47.869
Like I said, though, I'm just kind of looking

01:05:47.869 --> 01:05:52.929
at the upgrades and the cost upgrades, but yes,

01:05:52.989 --> 01:05:55.389
I was looking at it from a very Overland perspective,

01:05:55.630 --> 01:05:59.309
from being able to do it and how well and the

01:05:59.309 --> 01:06:02.400
cost of... Because I guess I don't look at the

01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:06.079
Silver Lake Jeeps or anything like that. I fully

01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.900
understand and agree that those are high -dollar

01:06:08.900 --> 01:06:11.920
builds, the off -road running gear and everything

01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:15.340
like that. But I guess I'm looking more of like

01:06:15.340 --> 01:06:18.699
if a guy's switched out his bed and threw an

01:06:18.699 --> 01:06:23.280
LE cab on it and then has spent $10 ,000 -some

01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:27.980
on small upgrades and that was just a swish of

01:06:27.980 --> 01:06:32.619
the wrist for him. Kind of looking more at that

01:06:32.619 --> 01:06:35.579
as far as the general overlanding group thing

01:06:35.579 --> 01:06:39.840
goes. But instead of, like, I would never call

01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:46.460
anything I would do a high dollar. Like, it doesn't

01:06:46.460 --> 01:06:50.059
matter after however long I do it, I would never

01:06:50.059 --> 01:06:51.860
call that a high dollar. You know what I mean?

01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:57.530
I can't because I don't think. It almost doesn't

01:06:57.530 --> 01:06:59.969
matter what you do to a third -gen 4Runner. I

01:06:59.969 --> 01:07:03.750
can't consider it a high -dollar build. I don't

01:07:03.750 --> 01:07:06.170
know. Benji's is pretty much from the bottom

01:07:06.170 --> 01:07:09.190
up brand new, and yours is getting there pretty

01:07:09.190 --> 01:07:10.909
much from the bottom up brand new. I think if

01:07:10.909 --> 01:07:15.889
you fully had yours built out and then... But

01:07:15.889 --> 01:07:18.349
I can't... I mean, if we're talking Overland

01:07:18.349 --> 01:07:20.469
style, yeah, you'd have to spend some money.

01:07:20.469 --> 01:07:22.260
I can't consider it... a high dollar build it

01:07:22.260 --> 01:07:24.880
just the third gen isn't a high dollar build

01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:29.739
vehicle the closest so that one that uh that

01:07:29.739 --> 01:07:33.039
derrick becker had for sale i don't know if he

01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:36.039
still does that's the closest to a high dollar

01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:39.539
third gen i've ever seen that one with long travel

01:07:39.539 --> 01:07:45.239
icon and ads shocks and that's something you

01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:50.869
can kind of do supercharged But, of course, you're

01:07:50.869 --> 01:07:55.630
talking about performance upgrades. He's talking

01:07:55.630 --> 01:07:58.190
more of the Overland upgrades. Yeah. I mean,

01:07:58.210 --> 01:08:01.969
if you were to package it, maybe. But there's

01:08:01.969 --> 01:08:05.869
those, God, I forget the name of them. Whereas

01:08:05.869 --> 01:08:10.489
they took the Toyota. For me, a vehicle's off

01:08:10.489 --> 01:08:13.030
-road capabilities is what I look at before the

01:08:13.030 --> 01:08:16.149
Overland side. Because at heart, I'm more of

01:08:16.149 --> 01:08:19.609
an off -roader than an Overlander. Right, and

01:08:19.609 --> 01:08:21.569
I think I'm more of an overlander than an off

01:08:21.569 --> 01:08:25.789
-roader because I would rather see the destinations.

01:08:26.569 --> 01:08:29.270
I would rather not rock crawl on the way there

01:08:29.270 --> 01:08:31.170
for the whole time. Oh, I want those. I want

01:08:31.170 --> 01:08:33.449
to see the destinations after I rock crawled

01:08:33.449 --> 01:08:36.989
there. Yeah. So, I mean, that's the difference

01:08:36.989 --> 01:08:40.270
to me is I don't need rock crawling to enjoy

01:08:40.270 --> 01:08:43.460
it. That's not necessarily my cup of tea, but

01:08:43.460 --> 01:08:46.420
if there is some on the way, if there's some

01:08:46.420 --> 01:08:51.199
fun like that, some off -camber, some ruts, some

01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:54.399
river crossings, yeah, hell yeah. But I don't

01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:56.899
want it to be the basis of my trip. Have you

01:08:56.899 --> 01:09:00.859
seen the Four Days in Hell videos? Oh, yeah.

01:09:00.939 --> 01:09:05.100
That's my kind of wheeling. Yeah, that is not

01:09:05.100 --> 01:09:08.100
my kind of wheeling. It's so fun to watch. It's

01:09:08.100 --> 01:09:13.680
cool as hell. And it's, like I said, it's a lot

01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:17.880
of fun to watch, but that's not my type. I want

01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:21.359
to get to a spot. I want to find a great camp

01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:25.619
spot. I want to camp it. I also want it to be

01:09:25.619 --> 01:09:27.779
hard to get to and not a lot of people being

01:09:27.779 --> 01:09:29.819
able to get to it. I want to conquer things that

01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:33.520
are very hard to conquer so that when I get to

01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:36.819
the spot, there is nobody else there, period.

01:09:38.180 --> 01:09:42.500
Except hikers. The only thing, yeah, because

01:09:42.500 --> 01:09:45.800
there's an actual bypass road to get through

01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.500
all of that just to get to the top. That's how

01:09:48.500 --> 01:09:51.920
it's becoming nowadays. Maybe an alpaca, a guy

01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:54.659
on alpaca, I'd be okay with seeing that. And

01:09:54.659 --> 01:09:57.239
then I'd get to go pet the alpaca, like alpacas

01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:02.640
are cute. It's just like, for me, if you want

01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:07.220
to invade my campsite, bring a cute dog with

01:10:07.220 --> 01:10:12.300
you, and I'll get over it quickly. For me, and

01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:15.439
this is just my preference, but if you can hike

01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:19.000
faster, if you can hike up the obstacles faster

01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:22.600
than you could crawl them, then, yeah, that's

01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:25.340
not for me. Oh, that's my thing. If I can. That's

01:10:25.340 --> 01:10:27.880
it. That's what I want. Yeah, and that's exactly.

01:10:28.140 --> 01:10:30.619
Like, that's just like, because the whole point

01:10:30.619 --> 01:10:33.380
is for me to get to that destination, to a destination.

01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:36.680
So if you can walk over them faster than you

01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:38.520
can crawl them, that's not my cup of tea. Oh,

01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:39.939
that's 100 % my thing. That's not the point for

01:10:39.939 --> 01:10:44.420
it for me. Yeah. And that's cool. I like having

01:10:44.420 --> 01:10:48.739
two sides of that coin where I'm more of the

01:10:48.739 --> 01:10:53.439
get to the destination, but I don't want the

01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:57.939
rock crawling on the way there. So that's pretty

01:10:57.939 --> 01:11:00.359
cool. I'm cool with that. I can accept that.

01:11:00.460 --> 01:11:03.409
That's why. If you look at our two builds, you

01:11:03.409 --> 01:11:05.869
can see that, too, because mine is like most

01:11:05.869 --> 01:11:09.170
of my money has gone under the frame and down

01:11:09.170 --> 01:11:12.210
on my truck, whereas most of your money is frame

01:11:12.210 --> 01:11:16.569
and up. Well, I haven't needed to replace anything

01:11:16.569 --> 01:11:18.670
frame and below either. I've replaced a lot of

01:11:18.670 --> 01:11:21.170
stuff. I've replaced a lot of stuff I didn't

01:11:21.170 --> 01:11:24.390
need to replace. Yeah, it was like while you

01:11:24.390 --> 01:11:27.250
were there because you had stuff apart. But even

01:11:27.250 --> 01:11:29.409
if I had it, that's where I would have put my

01:11:29.409 --> 01:11:35.250
money first. I mean, I haven't needed any of

01:11:35.250 --> 01:11:38.609
that. And even basic maintenance, it hasn't really

01:11:38.609 --> 01:11:40.409
come to that. When I look at how I can spend

01:11:40.409 --> 01:11:42.630
my money, nine times out of ten, my money goes

01:11:42.630 --> 01:11:44.789
towards something performance over something

01:11:44.789 --> 01:11:51.829
campy. Well, that's the thing. I'm not trying

01:11:51.829 --> 01:11:54.859
to do the same thing as you. Which is where that

01:11:54.859 --> 01:11:56.920
would come into play. Like, I'm trying to camp

01:11:56.920 --> 01:11:58.699
more than I'm trying to crawl. I'm just saying,

01:11:58.699 --> 01:12:01.319
you can look at our two builds, and it's very

01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:03.880
apparent who's which side. Oh, yeah, yeah. And

01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:07.100
that's why, like, for me, the packouts are basically

01:12:07.100 --> 01:12:09.960
a necessity because you can get away with, like,

01:12:10.020 --> 01:12:13.000
those plastic drawers. I would destroy those

01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:16.260
on some of the obstacles I do. But you can get

01:12:16.260 --> 01:12:17.819
away with it because you're not doing the same

01:12:17.819 --> 01:12:20.920
stuff. That's where I need something like a packout

01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:25.180
that... can put up with getting beat on yeah

01:12:25.180 --> 01:12:30.840
yeah i can i mean pretty much agree with that

01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:34.300
i mean i i'm not hitting anything i mean i'm

01:12:34.300 --> 01:12:39.659
not doing anything so twisty and off camber when

01:12:39.659 --> 01:12:42.300
i'm doing my own thing anyway that yeah my drawers

01:12:42.300 --> 01:12:44.600
are gonna go crazy of course i say that they're

01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:46.819
pretty i say that but we live in michigan so

01:12:46.819 --> 01:12:50.960
i do that like what once a year once a year yeah

01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:54.220
and that's for me too is like there's nothing

01:12:54.220 --> 01:12:57.140
there's nothing crazy in michigan either so it's

01:12:57.140 --> 01:13:00.760
like the the need for it isn't there for me either

01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:04.539
i have the i have to search far and few like

01:13:04.539 --> 01:13:07.539
far and wide to find the hardest trails in michigan

01:13:07.539 --> 01:13:13.000
oh yeah for sure no and for me and especially

01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:15.579
with my family my wife does not enjoy crawling

01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:19.140
Mine just doesn't go with me if I'm doing that

01:13:19.140 --> 01:13:23.640
kind of stuff. Yeah. And my wife wants to go

01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:26.560
out. Oh, mine too, but I just tell her, this

01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:28.979
trip isn't one for you. And then she's like,

01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:32.840
oh, okay, I don't want to go then. And for me,

01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:36.720
it doesn't matter. I want my wife there either.

01:13:37.399 --> 01:13:42.300
But I'm also doing, you know, I don't know. It's

01:13:42.300 --> 01:13:43.960
hard to explain, I guess. She might get upset

01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:45.840
with me when we go to Leatherwood because I'm

01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:47.619
going to do harder trails. And she's going to

01:13:47.619 --> 01:13:50.279
be like, I don't want to be on her side. And

01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:54.720
I'm going to be like, get over it. Yeah. Sienna

01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:58.760
was just kind of like, oh, oh, oh. When we hit

01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:03.220
that one run, she's like, hey, I can touch the

01:14:03.220 --> 01:14:06.579
ground here. And I'm like, yeah. We're in a bit

01:14:06.579 --> 01:14:10.689
of a situation here. I have driven. uh skidder

01:14:10.689 --> 01:14:13.869
hill all the way one time that was in the crawler

01:14:13.869 --> 01:14:16.390
and caitlin would not go with us on that trip

01:14:16.390 --> 01:14:23.850
yeah and i can't blame her she won't do skidder

01:14:23.850 --> 01:14:26.489
with me anyway because she doesn't like that

01:14:26.489 --> 01:14:31.289
there's more ground looking at her than sky right

01:14:31.289 --> 01:14:35.010
yeah i don't mind doing like sand hills and stuff

01:14:35.010 --> 01:14:38.220
i don't Like, I've gotten over that fear a little

01:14:38.220 --> 01:14:40.539
bit with, you know, doing the high dunes or whatever.

01:14:41.220 --> 01:14:44.800
So I'm cool with that. It's just I also don't

01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:49.760
want to put my rig at any unneeded stress that's

01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:54.960
going to cause downtime. So that's, like I said,

01:14:55.060 --> 01:14:57.300
and that's exactly what Alex is trying to do

01:14:57.300 --> 01:15:01.079
is put stress on his rig. Once I learn how it

01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.840
breaks, that's how I make it stronger. Exactly.

01:15:04.979 --> 01:15:07.199
Yes. And I don't want it to break because I want

01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:09.779
to still go camping the weekend after. Oh, I'll

01:15:09.779 --> 01:15:11.539
still go camping. And have money to do it. I

01:15:11.539 --> 01:15:16.000
have a yard. I just camp in my yard. Yeah, I

01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:17.640
know, but I actually want to see places. You're

01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:20.720
very productive. Have you seen how pretty my

01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:23.159
field is on a sunset? Like, it's really pretty.

01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:27.960
It smells great. As long as the wind is blowing

01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:31.260
to the south or the north, we're fine. It's when

01:15:31.260 --> 01:15:36.220
we get a south blowing wind that you don't really

01:15:36.220 --> 01:15:40.859
want to be here anymore. No. No. I'm done. No.

01:15:41.340 --> 01:15:45.220
Well, on that note, it's been fun. We talked

01:15:45.220 --> 01:15:47.140
about some overland hacks and stuff. We even

01:15:47.140 --> 01:15:50.289
talked a little bit more about... how we are

01:15:50.289 --> 01:15:53.470
two sides of a coin, maybe a little separated

01:15:53.470 --> 01:15:56.729
by the hobbies that we like, but it's kind of

01:15:56.729 --> 01:16:00.329
a good thing. I'm heads, you're tails. That's

01:16:00.329 --> 01:16:05.729
fine. I like tails. Yeah, I'm good with that.

01:16:05.890 --> 01:16:08.930
And we put a magnet on your side so that it always

01:16:08.930 --> 01:16:14.829
lands on heads. Welcome to the dark side. As

01:16:14.829 --> 01:16:19.489
Alex goes out camping, Instead of crawling more

01:16:19.489 --> 01:16:22.390
and more, he's going to start moving to my side

01:16:22.390 --> 01:16:24.189
more and more. As long as it doesn't interfere

01:16:24.189 --> 01:16:26.510
with my crawling. That's why a rooftop tent might

01:16:26.510 --> 01:16:31.289
not be my thing. Mark my words. As long as it

01:16:31.289 --> 01:16:33.569
can go on the trailer. Maybe it can go on the

01:16:33.569 --> 01:16:38.170
trailer. They sure look cool. I missed out. As

01:16:38.170 --> 01:16:39.350
long as it stays a base tent. It must be rooftop

01:16:39.350 --> 01:16:42.310
tents. All right. We'll catch you guys later.

01:16:42.810 --> 01:16:53.390
Later. Come back home I'm singing I'll always

01:16:53.390 --> 01:17:00.670
come back home Now and forever I feel AIDS in

01:17:00.670 --> 01:17:25.770
my bones I lost track of the time home is more

01:17:25.770 --> 01:17:27.850
than just a destination it's a feeling something

01:17:27.850 --> 01:17:29.890
i had so confused with focusing solely on making

01:17:29.890 --> 01:17:31.609
a living i think the saddest thing is when you

01:17:31.609 --> 01:17:33.069
look in the mirror and the person you see is

01:17:33.069 --> 01:17:35.050
a villain i'm blaming all the anger inside of

01:17:35.050 --> 01:17:37.510
my soul my character slowly been switching like

01:17:37.510 --> 01:17:39.250
what was i missing i knew that money would not

01:17:39.250 --> 01:17:41.510
make me whole i was trying to live fast cause

01:17:41.510 --> 01:17:43.430
my black heart healing too slow you know the

01:17:43.430 --> 01:17:45.250
phrase that without the rain it isn't a flower

01:17:45.250 --> 01:17:47.130
that ever will grow but over the years collecting

01:17:47.130 --> 01:17:49.210
my tears i think it's too much i'm about to explode

01:17:50.010 --> 01:17:52.409
Yeah, punch a couple tickets for the ride Dreams

01:17:52.409 --> 01:17:54.229
always blind you to the lies Searching for a

01:17:54.229 --> 01:17:56.430
place I couldn't find Bloodshot eyes, what a

01:17:56.430 --> 01:17:58.289
shame Told you all this pleasure lead to pain

01:17:58.289 --> 01:18:00.210
Lost inside the valley of the shadow of death

01:18:00.210 --> 01:18:02.949
Trying to find another way, I'm good At least

01:18:02.949 --> 01:18:05.069
I keep telling myself I don't need no one for

01:18:05.069 --> 01:18:07.189
no help Just follow this north star till I'm

01:18:07.189 --> 01:18:09.409
home And everything's back how it felt Back when

01:18:09.409 --> 01:18:11.010
I'd sing you these rap songs Till we both fell

01:18:11.010 --> 01:18:13.010
asleep on the couch Was home and it wasn't a

01:18:13.010 --> 01:18:41.319
doubt I'm saying Yeah, I'll always come back,

01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:42.520
but shit just feel different, it's not quite

01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:45.020
the same I know it's my fault, the dream I was

01:18:45.020 --> 01:18:47.000
chasing has drove me insane Like, I've been trying

01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:48.760
to focus more on the present instead of the things

01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:50.520
in my brain But everything's easier said than

01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:51.960
done, well you're not the person who's going

01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:53.920
through pain Won't change, but I try, people

01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:56.079
that I love switching sides Maybe I'm not cut

01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:58.039
up for this life, crosses on my heart, hope to

01:18:58.039 --> 01:19:00.260
die I'm almost turning pages, letting go, sometimes

01:19:00.260 --> 01:19:02.479
true recovery is slow I keep fighting battles

01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:04.340
from within, I think where it's leading me is

01:19:04.340 --> 01:19:07.229
home, I know I know, I just know Windows down,

01:19:07.250 --> 01:19:09.189
it's almost 20 below The cigarette is going straight

01:19:09.189 --> 01:19:10.890
to my soul I pour up some liquor, it's making

01:19:10.890 --> 01:19:12.449
me sicker But I got some shit that's caught inside

01:19:12.449 --> 01:19:14.130
my throat So bottled up with me and stuck on

01:19:14.130 --> 01:19:16.449
my own Paranoia of somebody who's broke Stealing

01:19:16.449 --> 01:19:19.510
over all the words of that Yeah, yeah Deep breaths,

01:19:19.590 --> 01:19:21.609
sweating in my palms I can hear the chaos when

01:19:21.609 --> 01:19:23.989
it's calm As if every day is just a song I knew

01:19:23.989 --> 01:19:26.090
my direction had to change Something that I never

01:19:26.090 --> 01:19:28.670
could explain Six string playing on repeat Only

01:19:28.670 --> 01:19:32.170
thing that's ever kept me sane I feel aches in

01:19:32.170 --> 01:19:37.739
my bones I lost track of the time a few drinks

01:19:37.739 --> 01:20:19.960
for my soul If you listened all the way to the

01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:23.699
end, please let us know on our Facebook group

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or Boost In or something. Let us know what you

01:20:26.260 --> 01:20:29.579
think about getting new music at the end of every

01:20:29.579 --> 01:20:33.279
episode the way that I did with this one. If

01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:36.680
you like the song, please boost the artist. You

01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:40.220
can go to wavelake .com. I've got a link in the

01:20:40.220 --> 01:20:46.500
show notes telling you a link to this song so

01:20:46.500 --> 01:20:50.060
you can boost him there. um ollie's he's great

01:20:50.060 --> 01:20:53.579
it's great song it really kind of moved me so

01:20:53.579 --> 01:20:57.500
uh yeah i hope you guys have a great rest of

01:20:57.500 --> 01:20:57.819
your week