Welcome to botches off -road join us as we talk
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tank camping to rock landing and all things to
do with the outdoors We we don't necessarily
have a topic today, but we were bullshitting
in the half hour and realize Whatever we're bullshitting
about made a good topic. So Yeah, yeah, let's
let's yeah, it was more like hey all the shit.
We're talking about Why don't we just move this
over? So what we were talking about is, since
this will come out later, was reorganization
of our backend, things that we backend as in
like our pack out slash kitchen area. Camp gear
essentials. Camp gear essentials. We started
talking about like Gerber, how they offer a military
discount. Um, which kind of sold me on the complete,
uh, like kitchen set. So that's kind of where
we were at at the time. So, and, uh, I guess
we're just going to run a continuation of that
stuff. So on that, uh, that whole thing. So while
I was looking at what Gerber offers, they've
got a, uh, stakeout spark, uh, Gerber multi -tool
for like $72 .99. that is absolutely freaking
sick, dude. Like, I might buy one of these. It's
got a hook for, like, clipping to my vest or
my shirt or whatever. And then it's got a hook
for pulling a tent line tight. And then it's
got a fire starter built in. Like, this thing
is really, really cool. I will say, like... the
hook for pulling a tent line taut... Where where
does that like in our everyday? That's not this
isn't a dig or anything But like where do you
use that every day to where that makes sense?
I would only use that one camping I was about
to say there's a system. I keep seeing I mean
while camping Oh camping so depending on the
type of tent you have so our Our military tents
have the type of stakes that you can tighten
that way. Yeah The green one could if we did
a little bit of work It just makes guide wires
way better and way tighter. Mm -hmm. Hmm Then
like by hand right so a tent that most people
would say isn't good in the wind if you use a
tent a guide wire install tool like that you
can make a Quote -unquote crappy wind tent way
better like actually usable in high wind. Yeah
That's how I made the the big tent last and 50
mile an hour wins Dying Save me. Sorry. I I probably
didn't even block out all my cough when I tried
to mutate You did you did good. I just heard
you probably come out of nowhere Yeah, the I
would use the hell out of this thing camping
though. I mean, it's sick Yeah, they have a Gerber
hat or a Gerber Leatherman has something. I think
it's called a skeletal It's pretty similar and
that But I'm looking at their uh, of course cuz
I'm a a foodie as people could see if they've
ever seen me I like food. I like camp cooking.
I like cooking decent food, but like So Gerber's
got a complete knife set It's got like an actual
camp chef knife like a parry knife and what looks
to be a bread knife, which I'd probably never
use but I guess it's just a serrated knife, but
If I'm getting discounts That wouldn't be a bad
one. I think I have an old Henry like a random
cheap I think it was like I think I got an attractor
supply like an old Henry sheath like fixed blade
knife that I've been using as a camp knife and
those old Henry's Boy do those bitches come sharp
out of the box that thing could shave hair and
has kept some pretty good edge retention so That
thing is sharper than the knives. I have in my
kitchen right now You know how sick it would
be if Gerber would come out with... So they have
the custom where you can make custom knives through
Gerber. How cool would it be if you could do
that with the complete cook set? Oh, that'd be
cool, yeah. I was looking at it like... Gosh,
Benchmade. Benchmade's got an absolute Benchmade
stellar company, but you know that it's an investment.
They're expensive. But they have a... Camp like
they have like a chef knife sets and stuff like
that. God, are they gorgeous? But it's just not
worth the four hundred some dollars or whatever
that they want for a knife For a set of them
or something like that. It's crazy. I'm kind
of sad that Gerber said that Kitchenware that
Gavin wants to get won't fit in our pack up system.
We have currently Yeah, no, it won't. Oh you're
Oh You guys gotta get a deeper one. No deeper
drawer We have to use the one that folds that
has a whole side that folds up and holds in yeah
Because it's slightly too tall the drawers we
have are five inches tall and the whole system
is seven point five inches Damn, you know Which
is kind of a bummer, huh? We talked about getting
the locker when we did that for that reason.
Yep, which we write We might do, because there's
drawers we don't really use. Yeah. Mm -hmm. Yeah,
that's a... I don't know. The new stove filled
up the bottom one pretty well. It's a good insight.
But we could put that in the locker, too. We
just got a new stove. Yes, we got a new stove.
I think Alex will find the link quicker than
I can, but I'm planning on actually testing it
this weekend. I get a propane tank. Hey. So I
got because we had no power I actually bought
a adapter for the little buddy to run a big propane
tank to it So we were using a grill tank to run
our little buddy to try to heat the area But
that will probably also work on the camp stove
So I so now I have a hose to adapt it from because
I'm gonna end up getting What the ignic? Ignit
makes a I want to say it's a five pound tank
Dude the ignit tanks are insane for price. Oh
Yeah, so if you look at a brand new Brand new
tank at like tractor supply. It's really not
like for the tank itself It's not that different.
I mean The Ignac you're paying for the cover
and the hose and all that crap, but F at Tractor
Supply, and I'm using F for reference because
I used to work there, but for those five -pounders,
man, six are expensive. You're better off getting
a 20 -pounder. Alex, we got that stolen at a
good time. Price jumped. I see that. So I'm looking
up, I'm going to real -world price match here.
All right, so a five pound tank at Harbor Freight
at Tractor Supply is $70. Yep. The five pound
IGNIC is $200. It's not. It's on Amazon for 129.
Oh, I'm on their website and it's 500. Oh, this
is a 10 pound. This is a 10 pound. We're good.
Yeah, so yeah, so for the for the molly webbing
case For the hose and for the ignik bottle. It's
129 .95. It's not bad so 79 plus you know 30
$40 for the hard hard zip up case and the hose
is It can you do it cheaper pry from tractor
supply? Yes But I do like the idea of having
that case And I'm probably mounting it to my
spare wheel on the back. So having a case over
it like that would be kind of nice, so. Oh, it's
got a link to it so you can look at it real quick?
Yeah. Thank you. It's the one we looked at at
Cabela's. OK, that's what I thought, but he's
in Molle Attachments. I was really confused.
I didn't know I had it. Yeah, it's got little
Molle loops. It's got webbing for it. Yeah, but
it's not Molle. OK. Oh, I see. I see. I see.
No. Yeah. But I've I'm also looking at and I
have a it's about four hundred dollars total
There's a website called bison gear They got
a lot of cool little things in there But what
I'm looking at is they have spare tire Like mounting
platforms and they have spare tire mounts for
the ignic Which I think it has a like a locking
Like a locking strap on it. It's not like usually
you can see other like cloth straps This one's
like a metal band So my theory is that's gonna
hopefully last longer and then they have a Mounting
platform to actually go on top of the wheel for
like spare carrier. Mm -hmm So I'm gonna end
up doing that and the spare carrier Just so that
I have a little because I could throw I'm trying
I was and I was trying to think like what easy
access items I can throw back there. That would
be really nice to have I am the only thing I
can think of which would take some space out
of my back is recovery. Yeah, so Being a bar
just have a thing that flips right up. Hmm. I
just remembered that the awning is here Yeah
Yep. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah you get the awning
for the the weekend too bad I don't have $180
to order an IGNIC fire can, and we could be living
a propane life this weekend. Yep. That's my -
That's fine. I'll go get some green canisters
from Coleman. I was going to use the one he had
on the buddy here, but then it has a leak. I
took it off and just - Oh, does it? Yeah. I was
like, quickly put it back on. I'm like, okay.
The trader valve broke. That must be why I couldn't
get it to start again. Yep. Cause I tried to
use it when I was working out in the shop the
other day and it just would not light. Oh, sometimes
they have a safety switch on them too that sometimes
if it detects like too much gas too quick, it'll
hit that safety switch on it. And it takes a
while for that to actually like, um, to like
reengage. Cause I had that happen with mine too
and propane tanks I know have an actual valve
for that, that I need. I need to replace my little
buddy because the self -igniter broke. So I have
to light it with a lighter now. It's also a very
old buddy heater. I've had that thing for like
10 years. Like it's not a young guy. I like the
little buddy heater I had. I kept this warm.
Oh, you know what? I do have something for you
guys. I have a 10 to 15 ,000 BTU top of the propane
tank heater. And since you guys aren't going
to be fully enclosed, that would work a lot better
than the buddy. In the awning for this weekend.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That would work
perfectly for you guys. I got it for free because
it was a customer return, broke defect. I just
didn't know how to use it. So I ended up getting
that for free. I can just bring it with you if
you go back. If you go to work this week, bring
it with you. I'll grab that from you. If I go
to work this week? Because the awning has two
sides. It has air acceleration windows, so I'll
ventilate that real well. Yep. Yeah, I will be
going back to work probably tomorrow, so. I'd
like to pick up an ignic so we can have fire
in the canopy. Yep. Ignic. Yeah, yeah, they uh,
I sent the pictures to you guys on the pod on
the podcast of that a lot of those a lot of those
tank holders are Soft straps, so that metal one
there keep it a little bit more secure. Maybe
people won't snatch it while I'm in a Walmart
parking lot They shame might be on something
with his system he's looking to do there I Know
I like those so like Shane just posted in our
off -road podcast group chat The DeWalt like
version of the drawers that they have no for
like Milwaukee No, Milwaukee doesn't have a competitor
to that. So this one is a bigger version than
the packout. Oh Yeah, so this is for making like
like Yeah, they're actually kind of expensive
when you realize how flimsy they are compared
to Milwaukee stuff Um, cause as deep as that
is that actually might've worked for what I was
hoping to do for my truck. But if they're that
flimsy, I don't know if I don't want to deal
with that. It's not that they're, how do I put
this? They're not as good as a Milwaukee product,
but they're not like unusably flimsy, if that
makes sense. Oh yeah. So it's the dimensions
on it are 30 by 22 by 10. And. The 22 depth wise
is great. That's kind of what I need, but the
30 might be a little too wide. So I'll have to
look into that. Um, but for 299, I'm good. I'll
build my own. Um, that's where I, you know, for
that price for, for the 299, like I could, I
could buy. So the way that I'm looking to end
up going is if I don't If I just buy the stuff
that I need from Milwaukee, Jesus, from Lowe's,
the couple sheets of plywood and a couple of
wand buys and stuff like that that I need for
drawers, I am way under that $200 price mark.
The thing is with the DeWalt kit there is DeWalt
doesn't have a quick attach system like Milwaukee
does, so you can't just buy a plate and then
have it mount in your truck. You have to strap
that down still. Yes, and so like if I'm gonna
make drawers At that point I can actually make
drawers that are custom to the size and what
I have what I need them for So at that point
it makes more sense, you know, just paint them
black Get them installed in there and be done
with it. But I'm also looking at buying cheap
Amazon drawers Because I don't need them to be
the sturdiest things in the world. They don't
have to be, you know, aluminum or anything like
that. And so they make those cube shelves. And
I thought about doing just a set of four cube
shelves and then building off of that and doing
drawers in the cube shelves. But just so I have
a structure or a wall. Super cheap. They're like
20 bucks 20 right about that 20, but you know
they They're cheap, you know And then I would
have like a base the it's already got kind of
the black sides do it and everything And then
I could kind of customize that too. I originally
wanted Like a cube organizer or something like
that. I kind of wanted something to go the full
depth But I've now come to the realization that
So I have the Dometic My wife's mother So yes,
my mother -in -law. She bought me the Dometic
container water container That goes along with
their portable spout system for Christmas so
If I store my water back behind that which would
hide it away, keep my water out from being kind
of right in the way of everything else and just
use that spout system for everything else. That's
kind of what I'm leaning to. So I don't need
something that takes the whole depth of my rear
cargo area. Okay. This is going back to an older
topic, but I have a really important question.
So why? I don't want to hear a pack out. Why
is a five pound... I've given up on that. Why
is a five pound propane tank $70, but a 20 pound
protein tank is $57 .99? Yeah. That's what I
was talking a little bit about earlier. It's
just they're crazy expensive for the size. And
maybe it comes down to the stamping and how hard
they are to find or what. Why wouldn't you just
buy the 20 pound... propane tank for $57 .99
and then get the 20 -pound propane tank cover
for $59 .99. So now for $120, you've got 20 pounds
of propane instead of five. I think my reasoning
is that I can't mount a 20 -pound tank on my
spare wheel and have it not take up a decent
amount of space and also look bulky and heavy
as fuck. So I mean and then other otherwise,
I don't know where I would put the 20 pound tank
That's just taking up a lot of room so like as
a five pound You know, I'm not using I'm not
using it to heat my stuff. I'll be using a diesel
heater So that five pounds gonna last months
Like off of off a one pounders when I wasn't
heating anything with the buddy heater My one
pounder cooking almost every weekend would last
me months. So It's a so a five pounder would
last me much longer But if you're talking about
getting the fire pit too, I wonder how big of
a difference that's gonna make I Yeah, so that's
something that we're gonna have to test out.
I mean like how How much is those are you know,
are those fire pits gonna take? How fast are
we gonna go through them? So maybe they have
something on their website on that or on an Amazon
about how fast they go through propane. I know
because that would be Go ahead. They're selling
a combo pack with a fire pit, a fire can. Are
they really? How much is that? 300 and... Where
was it? $79 .90 for a five -pound tank case and
a fire can. $379? That's cheaper than... Yep.
$379. Hold up. It's $179 just for the fucking
fire pit. yeah so and 120 for the it's way better
to do do the other one i i don't know that it
is hold up how much is the uh fire the five pound
fire can the five pound fire can the growler
whatever they call it uh the fire pit is 179
.95 yeah i got that one oh okay the other one
i think is 129 okay so We're talking about cans
and stuff. The Innis or Innic supposedly is better
camp stuff compatible than your 20 -pound tank
is. Got ya. So what comes in that combo kit that
they're selling? Send me a link to that. I won't.
Because I think that's like $100 overpriced.
It really is. Not gonna lie. Well, the adjustable
flames nice I do like that the ignic fire can
has an adjustable flame. It's not one setting
Yeah, and they do have an ignic elite which is
249 And I'm interested don't know what the difference
is between the two okay, so This five pound it
comes with a five pound growler and the fire
can for 379 mm -hmm, but if you buy the fire
or the fire can and the growler separate. It's
three oh nine. So it's seventy dollars more to
get the combo. Agnick, what are you doing? This
is why you look at everything. Yeah, this is
why we talk about it. It's not and that's not
the in in the combo kit. That's not the pro,
right? Or the elite. That looks kind of like
the Elite. It's the Deluxe. Yeah, Deluxe. That
might be the difference. Well, the Deluxe is
$150 on their website, so let's change that to
$150. And it comes out to $329. Yeah, so you're
getting a little closer. But still, I don't know
where the... I don't see how the two come together,
you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, okay, so there's
a price breakdown down below. It's 129 .95 for
the growler 249 .95 for the Fire can oh It's
the elite fire can yeah, I'm looking that's why
I got that's why yeah That's what I was thinking
okay Yeah, cuz the fire can is 249. Yeah, and
that's okay so so the heat output on the regular
fire can is at the most it's lower but it's a
up to 50 BTU an hour the fire can deluxe is also
up to 50 BTU an hour and the fire can elite is
over 50 ,000 BTU an hour then when you compare
weights the fire can Original is 13 .2 pounds
the fire can deluxe is 14 and the fire can elite
is 11 .1 According to their website, it's 10
.1 Or I'm sorry, you're right 10 .1 They're all
for safe The fire can elite is the only one with
an integrated flame control knob we It's also
the only one with a five PSI regulator. It's
also CSA certified. I don't even know what that
means. Pancy words. Yeah. The difference though
is the fire can deluxe actually has a fire pit
plus a grill mode so you can grill on it. It
comes with a removable grill insert. yeah that's
I mean that's pretty cool there's some difference
there is so I guess looking at the fire can when
you go and look at the description I thought
it said it had a I thought it said something
about being able to change your your output Just
the standard one. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, I thought
I read that, but maybe I was looking at a different
one. Yeah, there's an image that says integrated
flame control knob for easy start and control
of heat output. Yep. Okay, so there's gotta be
something on that. Maybe it's not as user -friendly.
I don't know. I mean, at the most, I think at
for the price point, the most I'd be really willing
to get into this is 179 for the, for the first
one. I mean, I'd probably, I mean, looking at
it, I'd probably pay the three, whatever for
the combo. That's not bad. No. Yeah. Yeah. I
mean, for us poor people, it comes more down
to like - We're planning on buying both of them.
When do I have - We're planning on buying both
of them. I'll buy them as a combo at that point.
Right. Yeah. So for me, it comes down to like,
what do I have this weekend? And if I have a
hundred and seventy nine this weekend, I'm not
gonna have that the next weekend That's free.
So it's well, that's where I come. Yeah after
pay. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly Yeah, let's get
a lot of her stuff through Amazon Yeah, me and
after pay. I I tried to use after pay today with
bison gear But bison gear doesn't accept after
pay and it's kind of a blessing in disguise because
I probably really should I just gotta find out
on Amazon No, yeah, but they don't make the bison
gear doesn't make that stuff. They're they're
an EU company. Yeah I think they're based out
of Norway, but they have a lot of stuff. That's
like really nice That we just don't have like
I don't see much that's comparable to it in the
u .s. What is it? I know it's kind of I'm sorry
is it exactly all I hear is bison gear on it
Oh, it's, if you look it, he sent them to the
group chat. Yeah, Bison Gear, like, it's an off
-road, um... Oh, the racks? Like, yeah, well,
they sell racks, they sell cargo shelves, tailgate
tables. I think Victory 4x4 and a couple other
ones has done similar things to what you were
talking about for the spare tire. They've done
similar, yeah, yeah. Um, the one, the one I think
that Victory 4x4 has like, has like, uh, it looks
like... Like I can't really explain it like just
regular strap like strapping. Yeah, that's what
No, yeah bison gears is a ratchet strap. Oh you'd
go around the wheel. Yes. I meant to hold the
tank in oh But like so like bison gears got like
a back moly panel That attaches to like my back
window so that I can pop my back window. I have
access to like something Yeah, like an axe or
something. How much is that cargo basket from
my bison? For my back. Yeah, the one that goes
over the tire. Oh Oh 64 dollars. Oh the spare
wheel tray is 126. That's the tray that goes
atop of the wheel for like a box. That's 126.
They actually make a really, really cool camping
table. I'm going to copy it. I'm not going to
buy this camping table, but it's $392. But it
comes with the mounting accessories to mount
it underneath your roof rack. So that little
two or three inches you have between your roof
and your roof rack, it has a full four -foot
table that you can slide in and out right under
your roof rack. Didn't your old rack, wasn't
there that for that too? For what, exactly? The
table that went under the roof rack? Yes, there
was one. Yep, that was the one I was gonna do.
I had the ability, I just had to get the mounting
surface for it. Then you rolled it. Yeah. So
when I get the princerack put on, I'm going to
look in and do something like that, because that's
a great way to have a nice table that doesn't
take up a bunch of space. And I'm super down
on that. I can't imagine it would be that much
for hardware. I would imagine it would just be
some L brackets and, uh, just a way to keep the
table from sliding forward or backward that I
can move. So that, that'll save me some space
there if I choose to get rid of my roll table.
But I think it might keep that and just have
that and another table for like cooking and eating
since now we have a kid. I don't know. I think.
I kind of wish I had a more of a work surface
to work on. But you know those, those plastic
tables, like I don't want the six foot ones,
but they make like a four or four and a half
feet one. The plastic tables are like, um, I
want to, I just get one of those and have it
mount to the underside of the roof rack with,
uh, using like L brackets as like the channeling
for it. I want to get one of those and make a
pocket for it underneath my pack outs so that
I can pull it out and use it as a counter in
the back of the forerunner. That's not a bad
idea, yeah. Yeah, when you don't have like that
counter space, like the drop down table or anything,
that would be really useful. Yeah, I'm thinking
have that so I can pull it out and use it when
I need it, but then I can take the whole thing
out and use it as a stand up table. Yeah. You
know Toyota really should have did what everybody
else did and made some kind of built -in table
To the roof to something. There's only very few
vehicles. I actually did that Exactly, and they
were beautiful via Honda The as Honda the Aztec
Aztec man, they were ahead of their time Seriously
Hot take. The Aztec was like, it was an overland
vehicle before overland vehicles. Yes. Beyond
ugly, but it was, yeah. It had a cooler for center
console. It had a removable FM radio. I mean,
today it'd be a Bluetooth speaker, but still.
It had a tent and a table and I think... Did
the chairs come out of the Aztec? There's one
car that the chairs came out of. I want to say
yes, but I'm not 100 % sure on that one. Oh,
yeah, I think I know what you're talking about.
Yeah, I think they might have. That might have
been the, so there was a testing car that did
that. I can't remember if the Aztec did it. Mm
-hmm. I think they did that with the Montana,
something like that, where the chairs, or like
the... Actual seats would come out But I mean
they were easy enough for like removable seats
anyway And for the rear those are easy enough
to pop out anyway and some of the vehicles and
just throw outside especially on minivans Yeah,
exactly Those removable seats were the best camp
chairs ever Dude I wish they made our driver
seats like that Like, seriously, an Aztec is
actually a good car. Yeah. Like, say what you
want. They have the 3800 in them? I can't remember.
Not gonna lie, Aztec was always my first car.
I always thought they were the ugliest thing
ever, but like, after the years, they've started
to wear on me. They have the 3400 in them, but
the 3400 isn't terrible. No. I like Aztecs, I
ain't gonna lie. I can't lie either. And they
came in the best color ever, yellow. I can lie
a little. Both the Aztec and the Extera's yellow
were awesome. I would also say the FJ's yellow
was awesome, but they had a really nice yellow.
FJ also had a really cool blue, but it's not
my kind of blue, but it was a cool blue. Like
the grabber blue. Like light blue, bright blue.
Yeah. I liked the color. I just wouldn't drive
it. I was definitely going to paint it. When
I'm in Mustang, I was going to paint it grabber
blue. Yeah. My favorite FJ color was that forest
green. The trail teams like that forest green.
Yeah. Oh, I would have loved to have mine be
like forest green. I'm starting to come around
now to the. the maroon, kind of liking that,
but yeah, forest green was way better. My favorite
third gen forerunner color was silver on silver
or the desert dune or whatever on silver. Yep.
Desert dune. I had that and then my dumbass painted
the second silver black. That's what you got.
Wasn't it wearing off though? Oh yeah, it was
starting to look like hell. One of those weird
colors you can't find for a spray can Yeah, I
couldn't find it in a spray can Just gonna see
if I can find like the whole Setup on eBay Oh,
by the way, while you're looking at that, the
two burner portable propane carrying cooking
stove that you guys got, I'm interested to see
how that works out with you guys. That clamshell,
I was looking at clamshell styles with that for
portability. So I am really interested to see
how that works cooking. I think mine's 22 ,000
BTU. but it's way bigger of a footprint. I mean,
I don't think I'll switch out of my Coleman.
I think I have a Coleman, I think it's called
a Cascade, like 220 or something like that, because
it's 22 ,000 BTU each, or 20 ,000 BTU each burner.
Because some of these stoves, you got to watch
it, because some of these stoves have a higher
BTU burner and a smaller BTU burner. Uh, but
mine's got, they're both the same and it's been
a fantastic, fantastic stove with variable, uh,
uh, like burner intensity. I, it is, it's pretty
touchy and it's the closest thing I've come to,
to a real, real stove while camping. So, cause
originally I was going to go to the, uh, to the,
uh, uh, the clamshell style. Jet boil. Mm -hmm.
That's what we were gonna do, but it's so expensive
for what you get. It really is. It is. It's very
expensive. It's got so many limitations. Yeah.
No, Gavin, I am sending you right now a link
to the stove that you need. Okay. I guess I gotta
take a look at it. It's a four -burner. Oh, that's
the one. Those are kind of cool. For the price,
you can't beat it. No. You just lose portability.
Yes. Yeah, I mean, if they had a top on it that
went right over where that metal part is on the
back that made it into like a case, that really
would be kind of cool to have, but... They also
have a tube right there. Make that into like
a folding table. I could make that into a nice
folding table. Right. Like use the top of it
as like a cutting board. Oh, don't worry. I got
more weird stuff I found looking. I found outdoor
cooking or outdoor ovens. Yeah. Oh, so Coleman
has an outdoor oven that can be completely taken
apart, I think. Let me look this up here. I'm
about to send it to you. But I've seen people
make actual, like, good food on that, like, good
-looking food. So the Coleman oven has to be
put on a burner. So I sent you two different
versions. One is the Coleman one and one is a
standalone. Yeah, the portable. I thought about
doing that portable oven, but I don't cook enough
in an oven anyway. But on Amazon, it's only 57
bucks. And it's like, you know, if, if I cooked
like muffins, if I wanted to bake bread or something,
that would be just a crazy good. If I would like,
if I could take a whole thing of Stouffer's lasagna
that you put in the oven, those big bricks of
Stouffer's lasagna, and I could make that at
camp and then feed the family. You know, that's
cheating. I think that I'm going to be investing
in one of the Blackstone air fryers. So we can
air fry like French fries at the campsite. Yeah,
there is some good to that, I have to say. I
wouldn't mind this portable oven, because Alan's
monkey bread he tried making at our campfire
was okay, but it was not the best. I remember
that. Yeah, the price on I mean that portable
camping them. It will shoot from Coleman. It's
even cheaper. It's oh Wait, what was I saying
before because this is $59 .99 on Coleman. I
think that's what you're saying eBay is more
Yeah, sometimes eat it and there's more than
just that one eBay listing. That's just the one
I sent you Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay Yeah, I mean
See what they got the cascade collection good
I haven't been to Coleman in a while, their website,
because Coleman's really fell off as being like
the America's, America's brand, you know? Okay,
so you can get the Coleman camp stove for as
cheap as $20 on eBay. Yeah. So, okay, so the
Cascade 2, it's the 222 is what I have, the Cascade
222. Um, and that is 22 ,000 BTUs. I'm sorry,
but I had a, uh, I had a gift card. It was like
$70 off from REI. So it only made that stove.
Like I think it only picked it up for like one
10. So great stove. Um, if you're looking for
a nice compact new version of Coleman Stoves
with really good variable temps, Cascade 222
is the good upgrade of that. Yeah. Man, so I'm
still hung up on the Gerber stuff. I'm looking
at pictures of the complete eater, whatever they
call it. Complete? Yeah, we're definitely gonna
do that. I'm looking at reviews, and dude, this
thing is insane. Yeah? Yeah, like, it's good,
I'm not reading reviews, I'm looking at pictures
people took. Oh, okay, I'm like, I'm thinking,
like, you got, like, people are saying all sorts
of cool stuff. I'm like, that's here, man. I
want to see what they say. Here we go. Five star.
I wish I could give it, oh, four star, I'm sorry.
I wish I could give it 4 .5 out of five. All
the items are great. Heavy duty cookware. They
could totally be used in your home kitchen. This
guy has very bad grammar. They are not lightweight
by any measure, but I appreciate that they are
sturdy. The only thing that doesn't give it a
perfect score is the carry bag. It's a bit thin.
Banging around in my canoe bag is hard on it.
I can make a new one, but that isn't a huge deal.
Yeah. And, you know, the thing that I want it
for is that it's completely, um, collapsible
into each other. Mm -hmm. So, could give a hoot
less about... the carrying bag, because it's
all gonna go into a drawer. And all the poor
reviews I see talk about the carrying bag. Yeah.
Most products carry bags are horrible to begin
with, so that's why most people ditch them. Yep.
I was gonna say, I don't think, even with my
cheapos, like the GSI Walmart cook stove stats
that I have, I've never really used the... The
camp bags maybe to just keep everything together,
but it wasn't for caring. Oh, right sure like
although the two burner bags actually pretty
nice It is it is pretty good. Yeah, his clamshell
clamshell. Oh, okay. That's pretty nice thing
for it Man if I if I don't have to work this
weekend, maybe I'll come by and maybe we can
have like a little cookout Dude, just come camp
with us Well, I mean that's why I'm saying those
I don't know how to work if I'm gonna be able
to I don't want to I don't want to I the thing
is is if I work I don't want to go out to camp
because then I just like Feel crappy like I'm
already tired. I don't want to go and do something
that I enjoy doing after I'm already tired and
grumpy from yeah, I'm being a baby about it,
but like Like I'm already like my work puts me
in a bad enough mood. I don't want to leave and
be, like, too tired to talk to my friends and,
like, have my, you know, have my attention span,
maybe. I don't know how to say it. My people
meter. My people meter's already gone, so, like,
I don't want to come out there and be like, I
don't even want to talk to you guys. Like, I'd
go straight into my tent and go to bed. Like,
you know what I mean? Like, I get only put up
with so much per day, so... I'm at that point
usually by the time I get out of work. Which
is why you guys don't see me a lot of Fridays
other than the fact that I actually uh The times
that I do have available you guys are doing something
crazy You're not around We never do anything
crazy Yeah, you guys are like like doing like
like crazy cutting or crazy suspension stuff
that the kid is not gonna just, like bringing
the kid and stuff is just gonna be like pain
in the butt. Oh, why? Him and Sienna could just
come up and hang out with Kaylin and Jackson.
Yeah. Well, Sienna wants to be out there. I bet
she'd be okay. She wants to be out with me. I
bet she'd be okay hanging out with Kaylyn. Sienna
doesn't like being a mom. I bet she'd be okay.
Not in a bad way. I bet she'd enjoy it. She probably
would, but I don't mean that in a bad way, so
let me say this again. She doesn't not like being
a mom, but if she's coming out to hang out, if
we're going camping or something like that, she
doesn't want to play the matron role. Because
she's had to do that like her entire life Like
she wants to go out like typically when we're
going out doing stuff. She's doing something
with Like with me so like if I'm working on my
electrical She's not out like playing with the
kids. She's out here helping me with my electrical
like she is she's she's like that like she'd
rather Be a part of what's going on Be all me
not I don't know how to explain it now that springtime
is coming. We'll be working up at Did you see
that I did not see anything I Okay, it was in
spite there was there was a weird orb that just
floated behind my head in the camera Oh, I wish
we were recording video so I could show it to
people. Oh, I just a bug It was a big orb. But
now that springtime is coming, we're going to
be working out by the fire pit again. Yep. Gavin's
muted. You two are bad. Sorry. I'm sitting here
talking about the orb. I'm like, man. Did you
see it? That was a big orb, dude. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. I was muted the whole time. I was trying
to tell you, yes. Like, that thing was big? Yeah,
I saw the orb. It was big. Yeah. And it wasn't
moving fast like a bug, man. No, it was like
this big, Mark. OK, take your word for it. It
was a big ghost. There was a fat old farmer that
was living there before you guys. Tell you what.
I mean, there was, but he's not dead. And he's
the one that built it. That's even worse. Because
that means there's someone else around. Oh, that
right there? Oh, there. That was a little one.
That was a little one. But it went right in front
of my face, and it was not a bug. Yeah, it was
way bigger than that, though, Mark. Yeah, the
first one was like this. Yeah. It was the size
of a plate. Ghosts and stuff. All right, let's
change the topic. Did I tell you guys my scary
ghost story? You might have. No. From, like,
a couple weeks ago? No. You guys want to do some
ghost stories? Sure. We got 10 minutes. Alex
is like, I'd rather not. So, okay, so a couple
weeks ago, I'm laying down. I lay on my side,
typically, when I sleep. And I'm laying on my
right side, facing away from my wall. And it's,
I wake up, and for some reason, I just wake up.
Like, I'm not like, there's no reason. I just
kind of, like, look at my watch. I see it's,
like, 3 o' 1 a .m. I'm like, huh. And then all
of a sudden, like, on the back of my head, I
get, like, the hair on the back of my head stands
up. And, like, I don't know how often that happens
to you guys, but it never happens to me. Like
when your heckles raise, you know what I mean?
Like your hair in the back of your neck stands
up. You get like the pricklies, like something's
going on. And like to me, that's a reactionary
of like, there's something going on that your
body senses or that your mind senses that you
don't. And like, I'm pretty aware of that mentally.
So like when that happened, I'm looking around,
but I'm not turning around. I'm just like looking
forward. I'm like... It's pitch black in my room.
I have a really dark room. It's like dark forest
green. So I'm just kind of I have my eyes open
and I'm trying to just like sense what's going
on because it's a really uneasy feeling all of
a sudden. And. So like, I'm not usually like
a. I don't know, like. As like sensitive, paranormal
guy or nothing like that, but like I've had some
experiences. But the feeling that I was getting
in the back of my neck the only way that I can
explain it to people is if you had like a fine
-tooth comb Mm -hmm, and you were to poke the
fine -tooth comb on the back of your head and
the back of your neck and Poke it not drag it,
but just poke it. Okay mark. Did you see it that
time? I was a bug. Yeah You don't know that you're
not flying around as a bug There is no orbs do
that. There is no buck Orbs do that. If it was
a bug, I would see it. Exactly. Sure. So this
fine -tooth comb feeling that I'm having on the
back of my head, it goes all the way from the
top of my head that's facing away to the bottom
of my neck, the base. And I'm like, ugh, dude,
I don't like how that feels. Like, something's
going on. And I keep trying to, like... close
my eyes and go back to bed because I'm like,
I'm tired. Like it's nothing. It's nothing. There's
nothing there. I'm just like being paranoid.
So I closed my eyes and that feeling right before
you fall asleep, every single time that I close
my eyes and try to fall asleep, the prickles
would get bad. Like they, it'd get worse. So
I'd open my eyes and they'd like go down a little
bit. Like it would, it would feel lessened. You
know, like, oh, dude, what the fuck? Like, so
this happened, like, five times where, like,
I'm closing my eyes. I'm just like, I'm not turning
around, dude. I'm not a pussy. There's nothing
behind me. I'm not turning around. Like, so I
sat there, and then, like, the last time, like,
the fifth time, I'm closing my eyes like I just
saw bright light. Like, I'm clamping them shut,
trying to go to sleep. And it went, like, the
feeling got, like, horrible. Like, way severe.
And I'm like, all right, all right. So I'm like,
fuck it. So I open my eyes back up. I'm staring
at the wall. I'm like, I'm just going to flip
around. So I flip around. And I shit you not,
in the corner of my room, there is a darker area
than everywhere else in the room. And it's not
shaped like anything. It's not like it's shaped
as a person or anything. But it was a darker
area of my room. And as I stared at it, that
area got lighter to the same as the rest of my
room. Jesus. And this happened within, like,
five to ten seconds that I'm staring at it. My
eyes were already open, so my pupils weren't,
like, dilated or anything, you know what I mean?
No. So, like, I've thought about this a lot because
I was like, this is weird. It's the weirdest
experience I've had in a while. So I flip over.
I see it. Well, you know, this, this, you know,
I would just say like it's a cloud or a fog.
And then it lightens to the actual wall of my
room. And now everything is like, it wasn't like
opaque. It was still semi -translucent, but like
it was a darker area. And then all of a sudden
the rest of, and then that area like, like dispersed
a little bit and it was all the same. It was
all the same. So I'm looking at that and then
I'm like, Fuck, what the fuck did I just see?
Then I'm like, all right, I just saw something.
I'm freaking out a little bit. So I sit up on
my bed and I'm just thinking through it. I'm
like, all right, so this is what I was feeling.
What could it be? I'm going into full ghost hunters
America. I'm debunking. I'm like, it couldn't
have been smoke for me vaping. It couldn't have
been. my eyes dilating, like I said, because
my eyes were open before I turned around. So
it's not like I was looking at a bright light
and then not. So I was like, dude, there's nothing
that can explain this. So I'm sitting in there
in the field and I'm not a bitch, like a baby.
Like I'm, I really not. Yeah, I know. Like I've
put up with a lot. Like I used to like, I used
to live in a tent. out in like a wooded area
for a while. So like I've heard a lot of creepy
stuff and like, so I've like, I got some good
experience. And the feeling that I had was so
fricking eerie that I woke Sienna up next to
me and was like, Hey, do you feel something?
And I, you know, I'm waking my wife up at three
AM. So she's like, No But I'm like no seriously
I need you to wake up for a second like actually
wake up I said I just had this creepy shit happen
so I like tell her about it and she wakes up
a little bit more because now she's kind of like
The fuck are you talking to me like this and
I explained or I'm like and it's 3 a .m. I'm
like it's literally witching hour. I was like
what the fuck And you live in Howard City, the
place of witches. Well, not Howard City, I'm
sorry. Ensley Township, the place of witches.
And there are witches on the property that have
been on the property, by the way. So, Sienna's
great -grandmother was a witch. Like, well -known
fact of her family, that she was a white witch,
by the way. Um, but anyway, so I don't know.
I was freaked out. I told C and I'm like, do
you sense anything? Because that's, cause that's
what I was feeling. I was like sensing it and
she's like, I don't, I don't really sense anything.
I'm like, okay. I said, maybe it's just, maybe
it's just me. Like, but tomorrow I am fucking
smudging the shit out of this room. So. Yeah,
the next day I smudged the shit out of the room,
opened the windows, tried to push everything
out. Haven't had anything happen since. But,
I'm telling you, that was a... I didn't say anything
to you guys yet, because I was going to try to
wait until we did, like, one of our spooky Halloween
times. Yeah. When Halloween comes and we start
doing our cryptid talks again. Yeah. I've got...
He was creepy, dude. I've got a good creepy one
that happened in a cabin at a dam up north I'll
share that on a creepy Halloween one. It's it's
a doozy, dude Like no to a point where I almost
solved a murder in my sleep kind of doozy. Like
it was fucking wild Yeah Yeah, ever since then
dude, I after I smudged my room so I so I Saw
Sienna's And this is what we've all theorized.
So I saw a woman in the back. I was taking a
piss. I probably already said this back in our
cryptid talk. I think you did, probably. But
I saw a woman walking through the woods, just
to recap a little bit for any new listeners.
Long story short, if you want to listen to it,
look at her. listen to our previous podcast,
but long story short, it ended up being like
a ghost and it ended up being like Sienna's great
grandmother walking through the woods to her
old garden. So after that, I was dabbling in
some pagan arts. I wasn't trying to conjure the
devil or nothing, but I was... looking into runes,
the powers of certain, you know, medicines and
plants and kind of what, kind of the foundations
of how to do things. And so I did like a cleansing
when I felt that. and hadn't had anything happen
after that, hopefully I didn't cleanse your grandfather,
because that would have been kind of a dick move,
but it was just to the house, like I was doing
it to the rooms, I was just trying to make sure
that, you know, everything was clear, because
after that I felt like I was a little bit more
receptive to things after, and I didn't, not
that I don't want to be, but it just brings in
a host of its own problems to like being more
receptive to things, so I was just like, we're
gonna... Cleanse this stuff and be over with
it So I think I was well overdue To to re cleanse
it. I think I think some bad juju got in the
house Like when Jasper gets sick, I don't know
if it's a I think it's a traditional like Hispanic
thing like Latin America When like somebody gets
sick or someone's having a really bad like I
don't know go with things they'll crack, they'll
like, they'll take an egg and they'll rub you
down with the egg and they'll say some kind of
prayer or something. And it, and supposedly it's
supposed to like pull in that negative energy
into the egg. And then they crack it into a glass
and they can kind of see what's going on, like
judging by how the egg sits in the water and
the glass. Um, it's like really common, like
thing that I think it's like a traditional Hispanic
ritual, but Um, that's, uh, so like we've had
that happen a couple of times and then like Jasper's
been sick all this winter and the, so we had
grandma do that to him and he had all sorts of
like evil shit going on there. And it's like,
like no one obviously tries to go after a kid,
but as you're going through life and you get
that negativity and you go through certain areas,
things latch on. Mm -hmm, you know not necessarily
to me, but they can latch on to family Like I'm
not like not that I am a super negative person,
but I've had a super negative life So I tend
to be more open to like negative things I think
or like stuff like that. So yeah so that cleansing
Suddenly Jasper started getting better. I shit
you not like kid had RSV. He was having a rough
day of it They rubbed him down to the egg. You
know what? Coincidentally, it could have been
the end of his sickness, but he started getting
better. And it doesn't matter what you believe,
but even if it is coincidentally, man, when he
got rubbed down to the egg, it took three days
and three eggs to get a clean picture, to get
enough out of him. where like what was coming
out into the glass wasn't like bad omen type
shit and After like after that he started doing
better And I even if you don't believe in it
and you have a son like for me I don't know how
I feel about that like the egg thing. No, like
I don't know if I believe in that Or if I don't
but after three days of doing it and he started
to get better I'll take that coincidence and
I'll keep running with it. All right You know
until until it gets better cuz you know my kids
been suffering dude. Oh my god sick all winter
Making me sick all winter man I'm scared to have
any eggs rubbed down on me because I'm just gonna
frickin They're just gonna be like dark black
or something like that just for all the sickness
and stuff. I've had this winter man All the crap
I've been through So yeah, I mean it was it was
interesting man. It was a it was an interesting
little issue I had and then of course like I
said Jasper got rubbed down after that when I
smudged the house Jasper wasn't there So he could
have been carrying something with him And then
that you know that RSV that he had cleared slightly
after that too. So Just weird interesting little
coincidences if any of our listeners or believe
in this or even don't believe in this or have
heard it of anything that is like kind of close
to this that maybe your heritage or your ancestors
did, you should chime in, boost in, leave a comment
on whatever platform you're listening on. Let
me know what you got. Maybe even tell us your
scary story. We'll read it out. That'll be kind
of fun. We should do like Halloween in July or
something. Yeah. Like, we can't just have a Halloween
episode once a year. We gotta have multiples.
Yeah. Well, yeah. Is there a Friday the 13th
coming around any time soon? Ooh, I'll get a
good one. We should go to Dudge and Swamp on
that one. I mean... We never went. Kind of down.
We never went, man. The next one is down for
June 13th is the next... Ooh. Friday the 13th.
I wonder if I'll have that off. Wonder. I want
this day off. I won't have that day off. Why?
Do devil shit. No. No. It would be cool though,
like, in October we should do a, we shouldn't,
not like a camp, but we should do like a ghost
hunt, like go to an old abandoned property. Not
like a property, but like, you know, take some
trails. Find an uh, you know old abandoned place
and just go poke around see what we can hear
Take our our lavaliers and our mics go see if
we can catch some EMPs or if Is it EMP EMP electromagnetic
pulse? Yeah No, I don't remember. It's been a
while. It's EM It's EMF EMF. Yes. Good job, buddy
I'm thinking EMPs are electromagnetic pulses.
It's like what takes down our power grid. Electromagnetic
frequencies. I don't know what any of them are.
Yeah, EMS, you're right. And it just shows that
you don't watch gross. I mean, EMP, that's why.
EMP is why we should all have Faraday boxes in
radios. No, EMP is why. A radio wouldn't work
in a Faraday cage. No, that's why you put radios
in the Faraday cage so that when an EMP strikes...
Oh, so it still works? Yeah. Got ya. Got ya.
So that's also why we should all drive old mechanical
diesels, because they would still run and operate
after an EMP. Yeah, fuck, what was that War of
the Worlds when the EMP hit? He had to throw
a new, what was it, a new starter in it, or a
new... He had to do something. It was an older
car, and he replaced a starting solenoid or something
so that he could drive it. It was like an old
wagon or some shit. So older cars are the way.
But if you know an EMP is going to happen, unhook
your battery. Even better, just go get yourself
a mechanical diesel. You don't even have to worry
about it. EMP happens. You just put it in first,
pop the clutch, and go. There's gonna be a lot
of us around Grant driving around in fucking
deuces. Because all the muck farms have deuces.
We're just gonna be stealing them motherfuckers.
No, those aren't gonna... Those would probably
get pretty well toasted because they're gassers.
So they got spark plugs. No, what you need is
a diesel. It ain't got nothing. I didn't know
that they were gas. I thought maybe they were
diesel. The one in my yard that came from a muck
field's a gasser. That's not in your yard anymore,
is it? Oh, it still is. What yeah, I didn't notice
that yeah, I saw from where it was so it's yours
now It's yours now. I just want it gone At this
point. I don't care if it's Cody or someone if
someone's come pick up the deuce come get the
deuce I just want the thing gone. I Don't think
I could hook it up behind my truck and have it
make it I don't think there's enough power steering
in my arms for that. Oh, you'd be fine steering
It's just... Yeah, stopping would be the issue.
There's no brakes. I'm wondering about stopping.
Well, we could stop and take a lot of fuel to
get to your spot. Yeah. Mark, I just need you
to go in like a... I need you to get like a 30
,000 pound tow strap and drive behind it. So
when I want to stop, you just hit the brakes.
Well, no, because it drives. It just doesn't
stop. So you just need someone being towed by
it to work as your brakes. Yeah. Yeah, okay.
Mark No, I uh, I don't want I mean I wanted one
when I was younger But for the shit that I do
now there would doesn't make sense I like a Humvee
like like they were better when you were a kid.
You didn't know all the mechanics of it Yeah
But we are now over an hour and I think this
is a good spot to call it because it's really
late. Yes Yeah, and my kids crying you make dinner.
Yeah, I hear that So we will catch you guys later.
I hope you enjoyed our bullshit episode catch
you on the flip side, you know