WEBVTT 00:00:16.579 --> 00:00:19.199 Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:21.500 about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, 00:00:21.660 --> 00:00:23.879 tent camping to rock landing, and all things 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:27.800 to do with the outdoors. Today's topic is one 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:29.960 that I actually had planned for last weekend, 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:33.200 but it would be absolutely no fun without Gavin. 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:36.659 Today, we're going to talk about how much we 00:00:36.659 --> 00:00:42.619 hate our rigs. Yeah. And we'll start with Mark. 00:00:43.179 --> 00:00:47.240 Mark, I want you to give us a list. That preferably 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:51.460 takes up to 10 minutes of all the reasons that 00:00:51.460 --> 00:00:54.520 you hate your Tacoma and why it's the worst vehicle 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:58.399 to wheel. Okay, let's be a little more specific. 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:00.560 Are we talking about how we bought it or how 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.840 just the truck in general as an everyday thing? 00:01:04.620 --> 00:01:10.560 Your truck. Yeah. Not 2014 Tacomas. Your truck. 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:12.859 Yeah. Why do you hate wheeling? Yeah, so as is, 00:01:12.939 --> 00:01:14.920 and whatever, how you bought it. Yes, and that's 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:18.760 not mods or anything that are on it. It can be. 00:01:18.819 --> 00:01:24.780 However it is right now. Okay. Well, you want 00:01:24.780 --> 00:01:27.959 to get specific of how I bought it. The mods 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:30.519 that were done to it, mostly the bumpers, I think, 00:01:30.540 --> 00:01:33.780 all of what was done to it is what I hate the 00:01:33.780 --> 00:01:39.019 most. And those are... I know they're Amazon 00:01:39.019 --> 00:01:41.500 bumpers. What's the brand name? Hookie Bumpers. 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:43.819 Yeah, Hookie. Stay away from Hookie Bumpers. 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:48.340 Yep. Yep. The tire carrier is the only one that 00:01:48.340 --> 00:01:51.319 I like out of them, but we have modified it so 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:56.200 much from what it used to be. So much reinforcing. 00:01:56.819 --> 00:01:59.120 Yeah, everything that was bolted together ended 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.019 up welding together like it should have been 00:02:01.019 --> 00:02:06.340 from the get -go. Yep. We had to replace the 00:02:06.340 --> 00:02:09.659 latch, which we just did, finally, after almost 00:02:09.659 --> 00:02:21.120 a year of it being broke. What else? I hated 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:25.500 the rear seat storage system that they have. 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:32.580 The plastic... The back seat beds. Most people 00:02:32.580 --> 00:02:35.960 that... overland or off -road usually gets rid 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:37.520 of them and that's what i ended up doing was 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:39.800 getting rid of them i gotta get a molly panel 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:43.259 for the back to get that tight in but that's 00:02:43.259 --> 00:02:48.460 not one i need to do right away but it has significantly 00:02:48.460 --> 00:02:50.780 increased how much storage i can do now because 00:02:50.780 --> 00:02:54.479 i can stack my cot my fire pit probably a couple 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.479 other things i can stack right in the back behind 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:59.319 the seat now do you put your tent back there 00:03:01.379 --> 00:03:04.180 I can, but I'm actually thinking of putting it 00:03:04.180 --> 00:03:07.219 in a pack -out system. Well, okay. I'm just curious. 00:03:07.300 --> 00:03:10.139 The $100 tent would probably be put back there, 00:03:10.180 --> 00:03:19.960 though, the big one. Let's see here. What else? 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:29.960 What about your cam adjusters for your lower 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:32.860 control arms? How do you feel about those? Well, 00:03:32.979 --> 00:03:37.199 so to be honest, you got to remember the factory 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.879 probably was not expecting us to be wheeling 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:43.960 these vehicles to begin with. Like really, really 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:49.719 like we are. So to their benefit, it's something 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:51.719 we've done to our own vehicles and not them. 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:56.060 But it's part of why your truck's the worst to 00:03:56.060 --> 00:03:59.599 wheel. It is. You got multiple things. You got 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:05.030 that. If you did upgrade a cam, what does it 00:04:05.030 --> 00:04:09.669 call it? Cam limiters? No, not cam limiters. 00:04:09.969 --> 00:04:13.490 Yeah, cam bolt limiters. Yeah. It's some weird 00:04:13.490 --> 00:04:16.370 name. If you did upgrades, you got to get the 00:04:16.370 --> 00:04:18.810 upgraded tabs to reinforce it where it's a lot 00:04:18.810 --> 00:04:20.850 thicker or else you're going to shear them off 00:04:20.850 --> 00:04:23.670 like I almost did or bend them like I actually 00:04:23.670 --> 00:04:27.970 did. Glad we didn't shear them off. I'm glad 00:04:27.970 --> 00:04:35.360 to shear off, though. Yeah, for sure. Reinforce 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.740 your knuckles. Yeah, everyone should reinforce 00:04:38.740 --> 00:04:41.959 knuckles. That's just a Toyota thing in general. 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.860 Everyone should have a, oh, fuck, I can't even 00:04:45.860 --> 00:04:46.980 think of what they're called right now. Gussets. 00:04:47.259 --> 00:04:50.519 A reinforcement bracket. Gusset, thank you. Gussets 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:57.459 or get your upgraded Glock or Control R knuckles. 00:04:58.269 --> 00:05:02.250 So, like, you did your long travels. Or do both. 00:05:02.589 --> 00:05:11.410 Or both. Do both. Or both. What else? How do 00:05:11.410 --> 00:05:15.189 you feel about the wheels and tires you've got 00:05:15.189 --> 00:05:21.250 on there right now? Well, hmm. They fell out 00:05:21.250 --> 00:05:25.870 pretty well. The rims, they're okay. They definitely 00:05:25.870 --> 00:05:28.519 have been beaten. To hell and back. Those are 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:34.560 visions, right? Yes, visions. Yeah. Yeah, they 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:37.560 started showing rock damage like the very first 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.720 trip we did with them. Yep. Very first trip. 00:05:40.980 --> 00:05:44.180 Mind you, we live in Michigan. We're not rock 00:05:44.180 --> 00:05:47.939 crawling. No. So for them to be getting rock 00:05:47.939 --> 00:05:50.740 rash the way that they are, there's something 00:05:50.740 --> 00:05:58.589 going on there. Yep. I do. Say getting a five 00:05:58.589 --> 00:06:01.329 -foot Tacoma bed is better than a six -foot Tacoma 00:06:01.329 --> 00:06:07.430 bed. I didn't notice a difference. I did notice 00:06:07.430 --> 00:06:11.250 a difference. Between having a six -foot and 00:06:11.250 --> 00:06:16.910 a five -foot, I do see the difference. What else? 00:06:21.310 --> 00:06:26.339 How do you feel about having no lockers? I mean, 00:06:26.420 --> 00:06:30.879 they'd be beneficial, but I haven't phased me 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:35.360 a lot. We live in Michigan. There's nothing to 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:38.699 crawl. True, true, true, true. You could have 00:06:38.699 --> 00:06:45.300 made it up that trail in Everett, though. I mean, 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:47.639 I've been up that trail before. You got to remember, 00:06:47.699 --> 00:06:51.240 I had to air down from where I was. I aired up 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:52.939 a little more because we didn't have an air compressor. 00:06:54.709 --> 00:06:56.810 I still think that you could have made it up 00:06:56.810 --> 00:07:00.290 that if you had a locker. Yeah. Because even 00:07:00.290 --> 00:07:02.709 if you had DB'd it with a locker, you still would 00:07:02.709 --> 00:07:04.949 be pushing yourself up. Oh, you're talking about 00:07:04.949 --> 00:07:06.410 that hill. I thought you were talking about when 00:07:06.410 --> 00:07:10.829 I aired down. No. I mean, that one also would 00:07:10.829 --> 00:07:13.290 have been nice with a locker. Yeah. Because that 00:07:13.290 --> 00:07:14.810 one you wouldn't have had to air down as far. 00:07:15.410 --> 00:07:19.670 Yeah. But I aired down way further than I usually 00:07:19.670 --> 00:07:24.709 do for that trail anyways. But, I mean. For the 00:07:24.709 --> 00:07:26.649 most part, the Taco's been pretty good for you. 00:07:26.829 --> 00:07:31.189 Oh, yeah, it has. You can't... I can't dog it 00:07:31.189 --> 00:07:32.410 too much. You can't really shit on it too much. 00:07:32.550 --> 00:07:38.829 No. I mean, everyone says IFS is horrible. I 00:07:38.829 --> 00:07:41.870 have no experience in saying that because, one, 00:07:41.990 --> 00:07:45.230 I've never had a solid axle when it comes to 00:07:45.230 --> 00:07:47.889 off -roading, so I can't say if that is really 00:07:47.889 --> 00:07:51.730 better or not. Have you ever had a vehicle with 00:07:51.730 --> 00:07:55.670 a front solid axle? Uh, no, I don't think so. 00:07:56.910 --> 00:08:00.610 I think you've always had front IFS. Yeah. Yeah, 00:08:00.670 --> 00:08:02.949 because the Ram didn't. The Ram 1500, I don't 00:08:02.949 --> 00:08:07.949 think, comes with solid axles. The old ones did. 00:08:08.730 --> 00:08:11.050 Yeah, the old ones, but, like, I think if you 00:08:11.050 --> 00:08:15.290 got into the Ram 2500, 3500, when they start 00:08:15.290 --> 00:08:21.170 solid axling. Yeah, because my 99, my 99 Gasser. 00:08:21.709 --> 00:08:26.329 1500 was solid front and rear. Second gen. But 00:08:26.329 --> 00:08:28.649 once you get into third gens, they're all IFS. 00:08:28.949 --> 00:08:36.169 Yeah. Not a fan of the head unit that came in, 00:08:36.250 --> 00:08:39.090 at least for the second half of the second generation 00:08:39.090 --> 00:08:46.009 Tacomas. I didn't mind the old radio that was 00:08:46.009 --> 00:08:49.470 in the first Tacoma I had. It was okay. It was 00:08:49.470 --> 00:08:52.570 gaudy because of the silver, but I liked it better 00:08:52.570 --> 00:09:01.110 than the head unit. Yeah. What else? All right. 00:09:01.509 --> 00:09:04.549 I think that's about it, man. Yeah, that's about 00:09:04.549 --> 00:09:09.629 it. So we can move on to the Forerunners. So 00:09:09.629 --> 00:09:12.509 I will say the 3rd Gen Forerunner is a fantastic 00:09:12.509 --> 00:09:16.629 platform to start with. There are very few issues. 00:09:17.529 --> 00:09:21.690 With the third gen as a base. Now, mine is a 00:09:21.690 --> 00:09:24.529 very beat third gen, which has resulted in... 00:09:24.529 --> 00:09:28.389 The reasons that mine are the worst to wheel. 00:09:28.529 --> 00:09:32.029 The frame is a patch. Complete patch job. Oh, 00:09:32.029 --> 00:09:36.649 yeah. It has... Okay, that just makes it terrible 00:09:36.649 --> 00:09:39.409 on -road. Well, on -road reasons is I have no 00:09:39.409 --> 00:09:42.070 sway bars, and it is a nightmare to make tight 00:09:42.070 --> 00:09:48.350 turns in. Water is the worst. The engine itself 00:09:48.350 --> 00:09:52.649 doesn't care. I've got a snorkel. I've had the 00:09:52.649 --> 00:09:54.929 snorkel underwater all except for the intake. 00:09:55.129 --> 00:09:58.149 It runs through it. But all the electronics in 00:09:58.149 --> 00:10:00.490 the 4Runner are not waterproof the way that a 00:10:00.490 --> 00:10:06.710 TJR, and I learned it the hard way. Yeah, water 00:10:06.710 --> 00:10:13.679 just equals bad to the 4Runner in general. And 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:16.700 then I know Shane gave me some notes. If you 00:10:16.700 --> 00:10:19.639 have a later part 4Runner like Shane's, they've 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:22.320 got electric four -wheel drive actuators, and 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:25.340 his gets water in there and quits working all 00:10:25.340 --> 00:10:30.240 the time. I don't have that problem with mine, 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:34.899 but mine's a mechanical shift, so there's nothing 00:10:34.899 --> 00:10:38.600 wrong there. Other than that, the biggest problem 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:45.159 I see wheeling the third gen is space. It's not 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:50.879 a big car. The trunk area is very small, unless 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:52.720 you fold the seats down. Once you fold the seats 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:57.100 down, you're okay. But you've really only got 00:10:57.100 --> 00:11:01.299 about three -ish foot deep by about four -ish 00:11:01.299 --> 00:11:06.460 foot wide. So if you need to use your backseat, 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:08.500 you're really limited on what you can put in 00:11:08.500 --> 00:11:12.159 the car. The roof rack options for the third 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:14.960 gen 4Runner are basically non -existent. You've 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:19.620 got pretty much two roof racks, and one of them, 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.120 there's multiple versions of it, but there's 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.620 one that's cloned a lot. But for the most part, 00:11:24.659 --> 00:11:28.799 you've only got two roof rack options, and anything 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:33.120 else to add storage, you know, fifth gens, FJs, 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.639 Tacomas, they've got a whole list of things you 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:38.409 can do to add space, but... wheeling an older 00:11:38.409 --> 00:11:40.529 rig like the third gen that stuff just doesn't 00:11:40.529 --> 00:11:44.250 exist yeah so i'd say that's that's probably 00:11:44.250 --> 00:11:46.629 the number one reason i would steer someone away 00:11:46.629 --> 00:11:49.450 from a third gen especially if they want to do 00:11:49.450 --> 00:11:51.429 the overlandy thing if they just want to go out 00:11:51.429 --> 00:11:58.250 and wheel a third gen is a great option um then 00:11:58.250 --> 00:12:00.809 my next thing would be that the knuckles on the 00:12:00.809 --> 00:12:05.320 third gen are very poorly built uh i've got I've 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.080 got a diagram somewhere that shows where the 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:11.919 force is applied on the knuckle and why the importance, 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.500 that was a big yawn, Gavin, why the importance 00:12:14.500 --> 00:12:20.899 of gussets are. Because with a third gen, if 00:12:20.899 --> 00:12:22.600 you don't gusset your knuckle, it's going to 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:24.500 break. It might just be on a normal road. It 00:12:24.500 --> 00:12:26.500 doesn't matter. It's going to break. Oh, yeah. 00:12:26.899 --> 00:12:34.809 And that's just not a preferred situation. And 00:12:34.809 --> 00:12:38.990 then for my truck in particular, I would say 00:12:38.990 --> 00:12:42.710 that my power steering is a pretty big problem. 00:12:43.990 --> 00:12:47.549 Everything's new. The whole system is new. It's 00:12:47.549 --> 00:12:49.769 been replaced multiple times and through the 00:12:49.769 --> 00:12:53.830 entire replacement cycle and all the new parts 00:12:53.830 --> 00:12:56.889 and everything, it's always hard to turn the 00:12:56.889 --> 00:12:59.509 truck. Period. Doesn't matter if it's in four 00:12:59.509 --> 00:13:01.690 -wheel drive. Doesn't matter if it's in two -wheel 00:13:01.690 --> 00:13:04.230 drive. It is such a tight steering wheel, it's 00:13:04.230 --> 00:13:10.549 not fun. No. And there's steering upgrades you 00:13:10.549 --> 00:13:12.450 can do to kind of help with some of that, and 00:13:12.450 --> 00:13:15.090 I've done everything they suggest, and I'm still 00:13:15.090 --> 00:13:18.149 stuck in a situation where I'm too handy in my 00:13:18.149 --> 00:13:24.269 wheel to get it to turn right. It's an older 00:13:24.269 --> 00:13:28.750 rig, and... As cliche as this might sound, older 00:13:28.750 --> 00:13:30.950 rigs are a lot harder to wheel because it's harder 00:13:30.950 --> 00:13:33.049 to get aftermarket support for them, and it's 00:13:33.049 --> 00:13:35.250 a lot harder to maintain them, especially when 00:13:35.250 --> 00:13:39.210 they're beat as bad as what mine was. Yep. Oh, 00:13:39.230 --> 00:13:47.289 yeah. But, yeah, I'd say, man, I was hoping we 00:13:47.289 --> 00:13:49.870 could fill a whole hour with this, but this topic's 00:13:49.870 --> 00:13:56.039 pretty light. Yeah. It'd help if Gavin wasn't 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:57.919 just muting himself and could break into some 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:01.779 conversation here. Oh, well, you know, I'm sickly. 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:05.399 So I try to keep myself muted right now unless 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.600 a cough sneaks up on me here and there. I mean, 00:14:08.659 --> 00:14:10.799 while you guys were talking, I've thought of 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:17.960 a small list, I guess, for mine. Let's see. Alternator 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:22.320 placement. Horrible. It's already horrible. On 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.659 all Toyotas, I mean. It's on the bottom. Mine 00:14:25.659 --> 00:14:29.659 isn't. My alternator is actually on the top. 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:34.299 I think mine is too. Really? Yours is like middle. 00:14:34.940 --> 00:14:37.039 Mine's like middle, closer to the bottom, which 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:38.960 is probably going to be closer to where Mark's 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:44.080 is. Yeah. I mean, it's less than great. I've 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.879 already been through one alternator, two technically, 00:14:47.019 --> 00:14:49.039 if you're counting the one that blues immediately 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:55.740 after I put it in. You know, that sucks. Obviously, 00:14:56.019 --> 00:14:59.779 space is a big one in the back of those. Very 00:14:59.779 --> 00:15:04.960 similar to Alex's 4Runner. There's just barely 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:08.840 any space. I have a kid, so unfortunately, he 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:11.480 still has to be in a seat. I can't just throw 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:14.000 him around in the back and have him dongle around 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:19.490 on nothing. So that really limits where I could 00:15:19.490 --> 00:15:22.549 have it. Half of the back seat is benched. The 00:15:22.549 --> 00:15:25.730 other, well, I guess three -quarters of it is 00:15:25.730 --> 00:15:30.110 benched. The other 25 % is like a single. So, 00:15:30.110 --> 00:15:34.309 yeah, you got a 40 -60 bench. Yeah, but he only 00:15:34.309 --> 00:15:39.009 fits in the center because of how our seats are 00:15:39.009 --> 00:15:43.149 aligned. So really hard finding a compact car 00:15:43.149 --> 00:15:45.830 seat. to where we could put up maybe behind the 00:15:45.830 --> 00:15:48.610 driver and delete the 60 part for more space. 00:15:49.490 --> 00:15:55.230 That is what I'm looking to do, though. I can't 00:15:55.230 --> 00:15:58.070 recline my driver's seat because of the kid's 00:15:58.070 --> 00:16:02.210 seat behind me. So I get it. Mine's stuck, like, 00:16:02.210 --> 00:16:05.929 straight up and down. Well, and I guess I could 00:16:05.929 --> 00:16:09.230 do that, but it's super uncomfortable. And when 00:16:09.230 --> 00:16:11.190 I'm wheeling and driving long periods of time, 00:16:11.289 --> 00:16:14.419 I can't. Right. I think you missed the mine is 00:16:14.419 --> 00:16:17.820 stuck straight up and down. Right. Yeah, I did 00:16:17.820 --> 00:16:22.340 miss that. Because it's an electric system, and 00:16:22.340 --> 00:16:25.320 it got wet, and now it doesn't work. Mine is 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.860 not electric, which I don't know if that was 00:16:27.860 --> 00:16:30.700 all part of their plan with it, that FJ is trying 00:16:30.700 --> 00:16:33.419 to do the less amount of electronics as possible. 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:35.500 Because there is no electricity. If mine was, 00:16:35.500 --> 00:16:40.120 it's nothing. If mine wasn't a Limited, if I 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.480 just had an SR5, I wouldn't have these problems. 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:45.340 There you go. Should have got an SR5. But does 00:16:45.340 --> 00:16:50.059 the SR5 not have rear diff? Rear locker, yeah. 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:52.299 Yeah, rear locker. Pretty much just the Limited. 00:16:52.779 --> 00:16:56.519 Only some Limiteds in 98 had a rear locker. Right. 00:16:56.860 --> 00:16:59.940 Yeah. So, I mean, other than that, the space 00:16:59.940 --> 00:17:06.000 issue, that's a huge one. I have a massive, massive 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:11.410 legendary. uh blind spots in my truck very big 00:17:11.410 --> 00:17:15.470 yeah so that that sucks i mean like i get used 00:17:15.470 --> 00:17:18.910 to it they got big side mirrors so you know it's 00:17:18.910 --> 00:17:21.690 not huge anymore but when i first look back there 00:17:21.690 --> 00:17:23.490 i'm like where the fuck is my window to look 00:17:23.490 --> 00:17:28.549 like you can't barely see any of it um the suicide 00:17:28.549 --> 00:17:32.170 doors suck for having kids uh you have to pull 00:17:32.170 --> 00:17:36.599 the the seat up you have to totally recline the 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:39.140 passenger seat or incline i guess the passenger 00:17:39.140 --> 00:17:42.660 seat and pull it all the way up just to get the 00:17:42.660 --> 00:17:45.319 car seat in and out and open the suicide door 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.539 so that's like dude to be honest the suicide 00:17:48.539 --> 00:17:52.859 doors the suicide doors just suck like i got 00:17:52.859 --> 00:17:55.079 nothing nice to say about them that there's no 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:57.619 good part of having half the half doors like 00:17:57.619 --> 00:18:02.039 that i if it was four door it would be so much 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:09.210 better so much better but Did anyone ever build 00:18:09.210 --> 00:18:14.710 a four -door FJ? I'm sure. I know someone cut 00:18:14.710 --> 00:18:18.390 right out behind the front doors and made a bedded 00:18:18.390 --> 00:18:23.069 one with a bed, which is super cool. The Brute 00:18:23.069 --> 00:18:25.109 version of it, or whatever they call it. Yeah, 00:18:25.109 --> 00:18:28.230 like the Ute. Or not Ute, but like the Australian, 00:18:28.609 --> 00:18:32.349 because they put one of those big sleeper cabs 00:18:32.349 --> 00:18:35.720 on the back. You know what I'm saying? Can't 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:37.640 remember what they're called, like Alucab. Yeah. 00:18:37.700 --> 00:18:45.400 The whole back ends. But what else? Windshield 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.799 sucks. Windshield's just about a 90 -degree angle, 00:18:48.859 --> 00:18:51.700 so every little rock and chip that gets put up 00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:56.339 just kind of hits the windshield and finally 00:18:56.339 --> 00:18:59.960 got my crack on there. And then the rain that 00:18:59.960 --> 00:19:02.400 hits it, it's like the rain doesn't want to go 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:08.130 anywhere. So, in rainstorms, it doesn't matter 00:19:08.130 --> 00:19:10.750 if your wipers are going full blast. The range 00:19:10.750 --> 00:19:15.930 is there. So, I mean, that kind of sucks. I guess 00:19:15.930 --> 00:19:18.009 the good side of it is that it makes me feel 00:19:18.009 --> 00:19:19.990 like I'm in a spaceship as big as a windshield 00:19:19.990 --> 00:19:23.069 is. You get a lot of clearance out the front, 00:19:23.170 --> 00:19:26.829 just so you know. You're sitting in the front 00:19:26.829 --> 00:19:29.849 two seats of your truck. It feels huge. Yeah, 00:19:29.849 --> 00:19:35.779 it does. It really does. You compare that to 00:19:35.779 --> 00:19:38.319 the third gen, dude. I've got no space, and you're 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:41.140 up there living like a king, just, yeah, I'm 00:19:41.140 --> 00:19:44.200 fat, and I can fit. And I'm like, man, I could 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:51.480 not drive like that. Wow. Calling me out. Yeah, 00:19:51.619 --> 00:19:54.299 well, that's awesome. I'm fat, too. Yeah, right. 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:58.859 But, like, it does. In the front, it feels like 00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:03.079 it's got a lot of area. So it is really nice. 00:20:03.500 --> 00:20:08.480 I would say stereo -wise, too, that sucked. The 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.059 speakers were like paper. They're not even the 00:20:11.059 --> 00:20:15.279 full size of what they were supposed to be. They're 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.539 like 8 -inch speakers. They're like 6 -inch speakers, 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:20.859 actually, and the rest was like junk housing. 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:26.859 Do you still have your stock radio? No. No, I 00:20:26.859 --> 00:20:29.880 pulled that out and put in an aftermarket Amazon. 00:20:32.779 --> 00:20:35.160 touchscreen, funny, funny radio, and it's okay. 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:38.539 It works good. It makes up for it. Yeah, because 00:20:38.539 --> 00:20:41.180 after I put my Sony in, I can't believe how good 00:20:41.180 --> 00:20:43.640 those speakers are in my truck. Oh, yeah, speaker 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:46.700 quality. I was complaining about speakers the 00:20:46.700 --> 00:20:50.019 whole time I had it, and then I changed out the 00:20:50.019 --> 00:20:53.509 head unit or whatever, the radio. And, yeah, 00:20:53.569 --> 00:20:55.329 my speaker quality and everything, everything 00:20:55.329 --> 00:20:57.490 went up. I was like, maybe I won't fuck with 00:20:57.490 --> 00:21:00.470 the speakers for now. Yeah, because I played 00:21:00.470 --> 00:21:02.769 with the speakers in the second -gen Tacomas, 00:21:02.809 --> 00:21:05.250 so I thought I was going to have to upgrade them. 00:21:05.289 --> 00:21:07.809 And then once I put the new head unit in, I'm 00:21:07.809 --> 00:21:10.589 like, oh, I guess I don't have to work on my 00:21:10.589 --> 00:21:16.509 speakers yet. Yeah. I need to upgrade mine. Yeah, 00:21:16.569 --> 00:21:20.940 so your Zune can really bump. Yeah, dude. The 00:21:20.940 --> 00:21:25.960 Zune is the way to go. The DAC is so good. It 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:28.400 blows Bluetooth out of the water, dude. I can't 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:32.039 explain it until you've listened to it. I'll 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:36.519 take your word for it, buddy. I sure will. Let's 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:41.019 see. Other things that I hate. Sometimes I hate 00:21:41.019 --> 00:21:44.539 the rear door because it swings out. Sometimes 00:21:44.539 --> 00:21:48.529 I wish I had a lift one. No, you're glad you 00:21:48.529 --> 00:21:50.990 don't because you want to do a 270 awning, and 00:21:50.990 --> 00:21:53.410 with a lift one, you can't do a 270 awning. Well, 00:21:53.470 --> 00:21:57.109 now, I would change that. I would only do, like, 00:21:57.150 --> 00:22:00.410 not a 270 extended. I'd just do, like, the regular 00:22:00.410 --> 00:22:04.650 Batwing if I had the lift. But I do like having 00:22:04.650 --> 00:22:07.690 my... Do a 180. Yeah, I do like having my little 00:22:07.690 --> 00:22:12.829 tailgate area to set myself. What if you did... 00:22:14.990 --> 00:22:17.450 Because a 180 is the one that goes front to rear, 00:22:17.529 --> 00:22:22.390 right? Yep. I thought that was a 270, and I thought 00:22:22.390 --> 00:22:24.750 there was a 270 extended that wrapped around. 00:22:25.309 --> 00:22:29.130 No, a 270 wraps around in general. Yeah, 270 00:22:29.130 --> 00:22:32.049 wraps around. A 180 is just the length. It just 00:22:32.049 --> 00:22:34.549 goes on one side of your truck. Yeah, so a 180 00:22:34.549 --> 00:22:39.950 I would do if I had the flip -up style like yours. 00:22:41.379 --> 00:22:44.299 Do you know how sick two 180s on a third gen 00:22:44.299 --> 00:22:47.460 would be? One on either side. You'd just have 00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:50.980 wings, man. A little bat wing. Yeah, and then 00:22:50.980 --> 00:22:53.859 you open your trunk. Then you open your trunk 00:22:53.859 --> 00:22:55.740 and all the way around your truck is undercover. 00:22:56.299 --> 00:22:59.579 Yeah. Coming around to the awning thing now, 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:04.400 huh? No. It would be all zip -up hard sides, 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:12.250 too. The whole thing would be good. Awnings would 00:23:12.250 --> 00:23:15.930 be kind of cool for sun cover, but I still want 00:23:15.930 --> 00:23:19.450 an external. This is what I've always said. I 00:23:19.450 --> 00:23:21.569 still need an external for every other situation. 00:23:22.309 --> 00:23:26.730 Yep. I don't know. I like being able to just 00:23:26.730 --> 00:23:31.329 hop in my truck and leave camp behind me. Mark 00:23:31.329 --> 00:23:34.690 my words, Mark. Give it another year and a half 00:23:34.690 --> 00:23:37.170 or so, and he'll be almost fully dark -sided. 00:23:37.769 --> 00:23:40.730 I don't know. I was going down that rabbit hole 00:23:40.730 --> 00:23:44.569 with the 720 awning. I think the ones I was looking 00:23:44.569 --> 00:23:46.589 at, you could add tents to the side of them. 00:23:47.269 --> 00:23:51.170 It was all individual and just a lot of money 00:23:51.170 --> 00:23:55.210 for that whole setup. Oh, yeah. That's what it 00:23:55.210 --> 00:23:58.650 is. It's all a money thing, dude. That's so much 00:23:58.650 --> 00:24:00.569 money. It's just paper that everybody agreed 00:24:00.569 --> 00:24:05.109 upon. Don't worry. No, it's not just paper. It's 00:24:05.109 --> 00:24:08.109 all ones and zeros. It's just paper that everybody 00:24:08.109 --> 00:24:12.349 agreed upon. No. There's no paper. It's all ones 00:24:12.349 --> 00:24:16.109 and zeros. I don't know, man. I mean, are we 00:24:16.109 --> 00:24:18.450 really paying for paper? Are we using our cards? 00:24:19.650 --> 00:24:23.269 It's all digital. I mean, that just means - We're 00:24:23.269 --> 00:24:25.650 paying on - It means it's fake. It's not even 00:24:25.650 --> 00:24:28.069 real then. It's even worse. That's what I'm saying. 00:24:28.789 --> 00:24:31.589 Yeah. It's not like I'm going to a store with 00:24:31.589 --> 00:24:35.369 hard cash and buying it. And it's not like any 00:24:35.369 --> 00:24:38.769 of these overlaying companies except Bitcoin 00:24:38.769 --> 00:24:42.690 or SATs that people could boost into us. Yeah, 00:24:42.710 --> 00:24:45.269 you'd have to boost a whole lot of fucking SATs 00:24:45.269 --> 00:24:50.609 for that. Holy shit. Okay, I'm looking at a 180 00:24:50.609 --> 00:24:53.430 truck awning right now. That's from AliExpress, 00:24:53.470 --> 00:24:56.950 so it's a cheaper one. It's $426, right? Let's 00:24:56.950 --> 00:25:01.509 just look at how many SATs that would take. $400 00:25:01.509 --> 00:25:06.289 ,000. I saw a Tacoma, I think it was a third 00:25:06.289 --> 00:25:09.029 gen, and they had an awning. I think it was like 00:25:09.029 --> 00:25:12.890 a big 720, and he had it so far forward, I wouldn't 00:25:12.890 --> 00:25:14.990 want to wheel with it because it hung off the 00:25:14.990 --> 00:25:18.509 front of the truck. Yeah, I've seen those. I'm 00:25:18.509 --> 00:25:25.809 like, why? Slide to the back. Yeah. But he didn't 00:25:25.809 --> 00:25:27.809 have a bed rack, so I think if he had a bed rack, 00:25:27.890 --> 00:25:31.950 it might be repositioned different. Yeah. Makes 00:25:31.950 --> 00:25:36.599 sense. I guess. What else? Wow. Gavin, you were 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:42.359 like, you were pretty dead on 488 or 489 ,000 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:49.079 sats to buy a one 80 awning. Yeah. So like typical, 00:25:49.099 --> 00:25:53.380 typical money, how that kind of goes. And a typical, 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:57.900 the boost that we get are usually like 2000 sats. 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:05.859 It'll take a while. It'll take a little while. 00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:11.500 All right, well, let's get back on to... Oh, 00:26:11.539 --> 00:26:13.859 wait, what do you got? You got another way to 00:26:13.859 --> 00:26:17.380 make money? Or people could buy stuff from our 00:26:17.380 --> 00:26:22.019 store. Is there enough cool stuff to warrant? 00:26:23.539 --> 00:26:26.599 There's stickers and cups, and you still got 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:33.200 to buy the Hawaiian shirt, and... So we're the 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.779 ones funding that, is what you're saying. Just 00:26:37.779 --> 00:26:39.980 the Hawaiian shirt is the only one. The rest 00:26:39.980 --> 00:26:45.599 is listeners. Yeah. Oh. They should be. The Hawaiian 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:50.099 shirt is just internal for now. Next year, we'll 00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:54.519 release the Hawaiian shirt. Yep. We're doing 00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:58.339 a botches -only shirt every year. We have a good 00:26:58.339 --> 00:27:00.740 one for next year. I'll share the idea with you 00:27:00.740 --> 00:27:08.099 later. Yep. Trying to think of whatever, what 00:27:08.099 --> 00:27:11.799 else I hate about my truck. The bumpers are completely 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:14.420 plastic, so you can't mount anything. That sucks. 00:27:14.539 --> 00:27:20.319 Yeah. That does suck. And I hate, you fixed it, 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.819 but when people have their bumper ends on the 00:27:22.819 --> 00:27:25.819 front bumper, they look so bad. Oh, on the FJ? 00:27:26.380 --> 00:27:29.799 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, those little, yeah, I don't 00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:33.670 love those. I took that off. I was going to try 00:27:33.670 --> 00:27:36.950 to house some kind of light in that area. They 00:27:36.950 --> 00:27:39.569 have cutouts to where you can... They have, like, 00:27:39.569 --> 00:27:42.049 3D housings that you can put in. Yeah. Pretty 00:27:42.049 --> 00:27:46.250 cool and all. Except I... I mean, you're just 00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:49.289 mounting it to plastic, so... Yeah. Yeah, I mean, 00:27:49.329 --> 00:27:53.609 it doesn't do you much well. Yeah. I would say 00:27:53.609 --> 00:27:57.869 the other thing I hate about it is the pricing. 00:27:58.569 --> 00:28:02.130 for just about any aftermarket part for it is 00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:08.730 fucking crazy. Crazy for the FJ. At least they 00:28:08.730 --> 00:28:12.650 exist. At least they exist. I mean, I'm not, 00:28:13.470 --> 00:28:15.990 yeah, I mean, it's there. There's plenty of aftermarket 00:28:15.990 --> 00:28:20.210 parts, you know, little storage options, shelves, 00:28:20.430 --> 00:28:25.109 stuff like that. But they're just fucking crazy 00:28:25.109 --> 00:28:27.819 expensive for any of it, so, you know. It makes 00:28:27.819 --> 00:28:30.559 it hard to actually customize it the way I want 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.880 to because every time I'm like, fuck, it's going 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:39.200 to be at least $200. So that's a bummer. The 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:43.079 other thing is the back seat's slanted. Yeah. 00:28:43.180 --> 00:28:47.299 And storage -wise, such a fucking pain. Yeah. 00:28:47.299 --> 00:28:50.240 And there's like a... Dude, that's... That is 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:54.339 such a pain. Yeah, it's pretty dramatic. That 00:28:54.339 --> 00:28:57.279 is... Why I have such a terrible time putting 00:28:57.279 --> 00:28:59.440 stuff in my truck is because of that slanted 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.039 back seat. It takes like four or five inches 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.259 off of like where if you take a tape measure 00:29:05.259 --> 00:29:09.420 and you measure from back to front, I might have 00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:13.299 30 inches. But like from the top of the seat 00:29:13.299 --> 00:29:16.900 to the back, I have like 25. It's even less, 00:29:16.940 --> 00:29:22.160 but it sucks. I will say the pack outs help solve 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.200 that problem. Because there's still space back 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.279 there, but I use it for stuff I don't need to 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:32.180 get to a lot. And by having the packouts, it 00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:34.539 gave a solid wall where stuff wouldn't be falling 00:29:34.539 --> 00:29:36.900 back in there where it's hard to reach. Yeah, 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.359 I think when I do delete my seat, that'll be 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:46.779 part of it. And that'll take away some of it. 00:29:47.740 --> 00:29:51.240 So we'll see on that. That was just such a killer. 00:29:52.299 --> 00:29:54.539 When I measured to see if my fridge could fit 00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:57.380 in originally, I was like, yeah, got plenty of 00:29:57.380 --> 00:30:00.799 space. Then put my fridge in and realized it 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.359 hit the top of the seat every time. And I'm like, 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.920 that's a motherfucker. So I had to actually move 00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:11.079 the seat up just a tad to actually get the fridge 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:16.359 to fit. I've got those half pack outs in the 00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:20.579 back, right? The little ones. And the way I did 00:30:20.579 --> 00:30:22.940 it was I stacked the two on top of each other 00:30:22.940 --> 00:30:26.359 and then set the base so that I could stack packouts 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:32.380 on top of them. And if I hadn't done that, I 00:30:32.380 --> 00:30:34.220 would have went to put another packout in and 00:30:34.220 --> 00:30:37.880 quickly realized my error. Because originally 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.819 I thought I could fit two full -size packouts 00:30:40.819 --> 00:30:44.559 front to back, but I can't because that seat 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.960 slants. Yep. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. I 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.180 had to move the seat up just a little bit and 00:30:52.180 --> 00:30:54.539 then, like, kind of bolt it down. That way it 00:30:54.539 --> 00:30:57.880 would actually sit, and then I could actually 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.880 slide my fridge in and out. Because if not, I 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:02.960 was, like, slamming my fridge against the seat 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.740 just to try to get it to stop, like, for the 00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:08.799 slide to actually lock. So that was a pain in 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:10.240 the ass. I mean, half of that could have been 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.980 fixed, I guess, with my slide. So it didn't have 00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:17.380 to go as far back, but still kind of a pain. 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:24.460 I mean, it's top -heavy. You know, they're tall. 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.900 So they're inherently going to be a little top 00:31:28.900 --> 00:31:33.079 -heavier. But if you add any kind of weight to 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.160 it, let's say like a rooftop tent or anything 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.380 like that, it's only going to make it worse. 00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:43.200 Right. I mean, I don't plan on doing a bunch 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.799 of off -camera stuff to where I'm worried about 00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.589 tipping. But if I was, that would be a major 00:31:50.589 --> 00:31:56.789 thing for me. So now that we've kind of aired 00:31:56.789 --> 00:32:01.190 all our grievances with our rigs, Gavin, would 00:32:01.190 --> 00:32:04.710 you buy, would you have rather bought something 00:32:04.710 --> 00:32:09.710 other than an FJ? Oh, Gavin's giving me the one 00:32:09.710 --> 00:32:13.970 second. Mark, would you have bought something 00:32:13.970 --> 00:32:18.140 other than a Tacoma if you had? known about your 00:32:18.140 --> 00:32:22.220 challenges ahead of time probably not in all 00:32:22.220 --> 00:32:26.740 honesty when but the only thing close to it right 00:32:26.740 --> 00:32:29.480 now would have been my dakota and there was a 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:33.180 lot of limiter factors for the dakota than it 00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:37.799 does for the tacoma because i mean i had granted 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.799 i had a second gen dakota so it's older not a 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.089 lot of aftermarket value for it at all Probably 00:32:46.089 --> 00:32:49.509 even worse than your war rudder. Would you have 00:32:49.509 --> 00:32:52.069 bought something like, say, a Gladiator, something 00:32:52.069 --> 00:32:56.710 else in the class of the Tacoma? Probably not. 00:32:57.210 --> 00:33:01.369 Probably not. No? The only thing I can think 00:33:01.369 --> 00:33:06.130 of, maybe a Ranger, but I think the Tacoma suits 00:33:06.130 --> 00:33:09.509 me fairly well for what it is. Well, there's 00:33:09.509 --> 00:33:11.769 not that much aftermarket support for the new 00:33:11.769 --> 00:33:16.920 Ranger. They're cool, but... The Tacoma and the 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.200 Gladiator very much so have cornered the market 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:23.279 on aftermarket support in your class. Yeah. Now, 00:33:23.380 --> 00:33:26.480 we were able to get stuff imported. It'd be a 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:32.220 different story. All right. We're talking about 00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:34.039 would you have bought something that you actually 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:38.640 could have got your hands on. Yeah. I mean, personally, 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:43.309 if I had an option. If I were to go back and 00:33:43.309 --> 00:33:46.650 buy something else, it would be a really hard 00:33:46.650 --> 00:33:49.049 sell for anything other than a third gen just 00:33:49.049 --> 00:33:55.130 because the money cost versus what I got was 00:33:55.130 --> 00:33:58.809 pretty high with the third gen. Maybe a Cherokee. 00:33:59.690 --> 00:34:02.710 I would have been pretty happy with an XJ. The 00:34:02.710 --> 00:34:04.730 problem with that is I would have spent a lot 00:34:04.730 --> 00:34:08.730 more for an XJ in good shape. because when I 00:34:08.730 --> 00:34:10.929 bought the 4Runner, it was in good shape, and 00:34:10.929 --> 00:34:16.929 then it fell apart. So, I mean, that's kind of 00:34:16.929 --> 00:34:20.170 the issue with the XJs. Personally, I probably 00:34:20.170 --> 00:34:22.269 would have bought a TJ, and then I fall into 00:34:22.269 --> 00:34:25.190 the I have no space situation, because I would 00:34:25.190 --> 00:34:27.010 have ripped that backseat out. I would have built 00:34:27.010 --> 00:34:29.750 everything into the backseat space, just like 00:34:29.750 --> 00:34:32.530 I did with my first TJ. Then I would have gotten 00:34:32.530 --> 00:34:34.349 in the situation where I'm at now, where I've 00:34:34.349 --> 00:34:36.250 got a 3 -year -old, and I'd have nowhere to put 00:34:36.250 --> 00:34:44.179 him. I mean, for me, I've had a four -door JKU. 00:34:44.619 --> 00:34:48.679 A JKU is not an option to me because I hate four 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.260 -door Jeeps. Jeeps should have two doors unless 00:34:51.260 --> 00:34:56.980 they're a Wagoneer or an XJ or a Cherokee. Hot 00:34:56.980 --> 00:35:00.940 take. Hot take. Jeeps should not be four doors. 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.760 I think the whole having a family thing puts 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:10.420 a hamper on that. So, I mean, it'd be really 00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:12.280 hard to fit everything you need for like your 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.639 three -year -old without a trailer. Without a 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:18.059 trailer. Like your three -year -old, your dogs, 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:21.760 your wife, everything in the back of a Jeep. 00:35:21.820 --> 00:35:26.900 That'd be extremely hard to comfortably. When 00:35:26.900 --> 00:35:32.269 I was a kid. It was us four kids in the backseat 00:35:32.269 --> 00:35:37.489 of a CJ7. And we didn't do the camping. Like 00:35:37.489 --> 00:35:39.829 we went camping, but dad would drive the Jeep 00:35:39.829 --> 00:35:41.829 separate and we'd pull the horse trailer out. 00:35:42.230 --> 00:35:44.369 Yeah. So it was just a whole different style 00:35:44.369 --> 00:35:49.210 situation than what we're in now. Yeah. I think 00:35:49.210 --> 00:35:53.329 for me, like the FJ, one of my biggest things 00:35:53.329 --> 00:35:56.099 was I always wanted one as a kid. And I finally 00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:58.519 got to a point to where I was financially responsible 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:03.599 and had the credit to back it up to get one of 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.699 the cars that I've always wanted as a kid. Now, 00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:10.400 mind you, I wanted it as a kid, so I didn't know 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.199 anything about them. And when I bought it, to 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.260 be honest, I didn't really know anything about 00:36:15.260 --> 00:36:18.099 it either. I knew to check for rust. I knew to 00:36:18.099 --> 00:36:21.420 check to see if it was mechanically sound. But 00:36:21.420 --> 00:36:25.260 my mind wasn't off -road capability. And my mind 00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:29.800 wasn't on the future with a family. So to be 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:33.699 honest, now, knowing what I know, being through 00:36:33.699 --> 00:36:36.239 what I've been through, I probably would not 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:41.719 get an FJ. I love it, and I make it work. But 00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:48.340 I would probably go with, like, a GX or a 4Runner. 00:36:48.860 --> 00:36:51.860 a four -door forerunner like probably like a 00:36:51.860 --> 00:36:54.619 fourth that i don't love fourth gens but i'd 00:36:54.619 --> 00:36:57.360 probably do like a fourth or fifth gen yep uh 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.599 based off of how i would i know you like the 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.139 fourth gens i like the styling of the fifth gen 00:37:03.139 --> 00:37:05.880 and i kind of like i want i want everything to 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.059 kind of come together the only if i budget wise 00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:11.719 i'd probably be able to afford a gx at that time 00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:16.190 the thing with for the same thing sorry kind 00:37:16.190 --> 00:37:18.329 of off topic here the thing with fourth gens 00:37:18.329 --> 00:37:20.449 are i don't necessarily love the way they look 00:37:20.449 --> 00:37:23.969 i just love the v8s right and that's why i was 00:37:23.969 --> 00:37:27.690 thinking more of like a gx so like the gx that 00:37:27.690 --> 00:37:30.369 like derek's got in the in the uh or even the 00:37:30.369 --> 00:37:35.510 land cruiser uh they made the v8 land cruiser 00:37:35.510 --> 00:37:39.789 right uh just older but yeah yeah yeah but at 00:37:39.789 --> 00:37:42.489 the same time If you've ever seen a fourth -gen 00:37:42.489 --> 00:37:44.690 built for, like, rock crawling or rock landing, 00:37:44.909 --> 00:37:48.389 they are fucking sick, dude. It takes so much 00:37:48.389 --> 00:37:52.110 money to get them to that point, but they look 00:37:52.110 --> 00:37:56.949 so cool. Arguably, this is arguably, I mean, 00:37:56.969 --> 00:38:00.269 if you have money, anything can look good when 00:38:00.269 --> 00:38:03.849 you're done with it. I mean, yeah, that's why 00:38:03.849 --> 00:38:07.889 I say arguably, because, like, Chevy HHR, like, 00:38:07.949 --> 00:38:12.309 stock, they look kind of shitty. but enough money 00:38:12.309 --> 00:38:14.670 into it and you might actually get an hhr to 00:38:14.670 --> 00:38:18.469 look decent yes the little the little compact 00:38:18.469 --> 00:38:23.489 like i'm trying to think of a way i'm trying 00:38:23.489 --> 00:38:26.650 to think of a way to make an hhr look good and 00:38:26.650 --> 00:38:30.090 there is literally no dirt out and slammed with 00:38:30.090 --> 00:38:36.090 like panel version I cannot see a world where 00:38:36.090 --> 00:38:39.070 an HHR looks good, regardless of if it's slammed 00:38:39.070 --> 00:38:41.030 and murdered out. Like, they are just an ugly 00:38:41.030 --> 00:38:43.650 car. See, I thought it was pretty decent looking, 00:38:43.730 --> 00:38:47.889 but yeah. It's like the SSR. There's nothing 00:38:47.889 --> 00:38:50.730 you can do to an SSR to make it look good. I'll 00:38:50.730 --> 00:38:54.050 probably, yeah. Yeah, I can probably go with 00:38:54.050 --> 00:38:56.110 that. I mean, obviously there are cars that fit 00:38:56.110 --> 00:38:59.650 that, but I have a, there's, by the way, there's 00:38:59.650 --> 00:39:04.199 a guy in Grant that switched out a Fiero's. he's 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.300 got a fiero and he switched out for a cadillac 00:39:06.300 --> 00:39:10.239 big block and he's got a big block in the back 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:12.320 of his fiero and that thing is so fucking sick 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:17.800 dude i i actually uh i think i sent it to the 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:23.139 group chat that uh that quad four um fuck i don't 00:39:23.139 --> 00:39:25.860 remember what it was yeah i found a quad four 00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:28.039 car this week and i was like oh my god this thing 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:36.130 is sexy yeah what uh what gx is it the 460s that 00:39:36.130 --> 00:39:41.869 um i don't know that well i think it's like the 00:39:41.869 --> 00:39:44.309 first generation yeah so there's a correctly 00:39:44.309 --> 00:39:49.909 there's a 94 beretta for sale in richmond illinois 00:39:49.909 --> 00:39:53.050 with a quad four and this thing is so fucking 00:39:53.050 --> 00:39:59.119 sexy dude Like, the interior is nice. The exterior 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.199 is nice. It's only got 130 ,000 miles on it. 00:40:08.059 --> 00:40:15.960 Yeah. All right. But, so, yeah, FJ is great. 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:20.960 Like, if you're a single person, FJ is the way 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.880 to go if you want to do, like, Toyota. Like for 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.739 off -road, I mean, overlanding, stuff like that, 00:40:26.820 --> 00:40:30.119 like FJ would be perfect. Comes with a locker, 00:40:30.340 --> 00:40:35.800 rear locker. It's what, mechanical? Mechanical. 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.119 Mechanical driveline as far as like 4x4 and stuff 00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:43.800 goes, 4 low, 4 high. I think it's a really good 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.340 platform to do if you're single. If you have 00:40:47.340 --> 00:40:50.719 a wife, you could definitely do it. If you have 00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.369 a kid or more. it starts getting really hard. 00:40:54.730 --> 00:40:58.750 And a GX4... Unless you want the trailer rounds. 00:40:59.389 --> 00:41:01.929 Yeah, right. And I just really don't want to 00:41:01.929 --> 00:41:04.750 have to go through all that. Like, I like trailers. 00:41:04.869 --> 00:41:07.210 I think they're so cool, and I did think about 00:41:07.210 --> 00:41:11.030 them. But, like, I also don't want an extra piece 00:41:11.030 --> 00:41:14.610 to have to maintain like that on the road. I 00:41:14.610 --> 00:41:16.929 don't want to have to back it up. I don't want 00:41:16.929 --> 00:41:19.670 the trail issues with having to take tight turns 00:41:19.670 --> 00:41:24.260 or... The trailer route only works if you're 00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:27.739 doing a base camp style camping trip. Yeah. And 00:41:27.739 --> 00:41:30.539 I, and that's not necessarily what we do. So, 00:41:30.539 --> 00:41:36.260 but it, I do like, it's not a crazy outlandish 00:41:36.260 --> 00:41:38.820 idea for me. I just think that if we were to 00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:40.900 do it, it would be more of the overland style. 00:41:41.780 --> 00:41:44.760 It'd be like the teardrop style, like the small 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.400 teardrops that you can fit a small family in 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:49.760 and then have all the, you know, kitchen and 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.800 stuff be able to, on there but yeah i mean i 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.340 mean anything anything toyota four door would 00:41:57.340 --> 00:41:59.880 have been would have been a better idea for me 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:02.099 at that time even i mean i even thought about 00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:05.059 getting a tundra and just to go in full size 00:42:05.059 --> 00:42:07.139 and still think a tundra probably would have 00:42:07.139 --> 00:42:10.820 been better at that point um because it is just 00:42:10.820 --> 00:42:13.800 horrible and then and then my space would be 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.940 fixed uh they take turns a little worse their 00:42:16.940 --> 00:42:20.280 wheelbase is different so Off -road capability 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:25.739 -wise, there's left to be desired, but FJs have 00:42:25.739 --> 00:42:29.460 a decent wheelbase. I mean, I think they're one 00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:34.340 of the smallest wheelbase Toyotas, I think. Aren't 00:42:34.340 --> 00:42:37.000 they? I mean, I can't remember what it is exactly, 00:42:37.179 --> 00:42:42.179 but I think the FJ's got one of the... I was 00:42:42.179 --> 00:42:43.559 about to say, as long as you don't find the perfect 00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:48.219 amount of logs. Yes. That was the thing. I think 00:42:48.219 --> 00:42:49.940 my wheelbase, I don't know if it was slightly 00:42:49.940 --> 00:42:52.239 smaller. You guys had a little bigger tires I 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:57.300 could grab. That was funny. I'm trying. We were 00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:00.019 doing a little log crawling, and I got stuck 00:43:00.019 --> 00:43:02.260 with the perfect amount of logs on either side 00:43:02.260 --> 00:43:04.840 of my tire from the front to back. Couldn't get 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:08.340 up nothing. Holy crap, Gavin. You want to hear 00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:12.599 this crazy thing? So the FJ wheelbase is 105 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:18.940 .9 inches, right? Okay. The third gen 4Runner 00:43:18.940 --> 00:43:24.920 is 105 .3. Oh, there you go. So it's not bad. 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:31.360 I mean, just in general, the... Yeah, it did. 00:43:31.460 --> 00:43:37.130 Or .6. Yeah, yeah. The... The FJ and the third 00:43:37.130 --> 00:43:39.869 gen, honestly, in size are very, very similar. 00:43:40.090 --> 00:43:42.949 We've got very similar wheelbases. We've got 00:43:42.949 --> 00:43:45.949 very similar cargo spaces. The big difference 00:43:45.949 --> 00:43:49.570 between, I'd say, the third gen and the FJ is 00:43:49.570 --> 00:43:52.510 that the third gen has two full -size doors, 00:43:52.630 --> 00:43:58.369 and the third gen has the front seats are moved 00:43:58.369 --> 00:44:02.269 farther forward than, say, the FJ, so it gives 00:44:02.269 --> 00:44:05.289 a larger space in the back seat. than the FJ 00:44:05.289 --> 00:44:09.289 has. But actual layout -wise, they're very similar, 00:44:09.409 --> 00:44:12.070 man. Like we have, like I said, similar cargo, 00:44:12.250 --> 00:44:18.030 similar wheelbase. Yeah, I mean, this is a good 00:44:18.030 --> 00:44:19.949 truck. They're really close. It's done me well. 00:44:19.989 --> 00:44:25.190 I think I just hit 150, 155 ,000 miles on it. 00:44:25.610 --> 00:44:30.789 Mm -hmm. So. My odometer quit working. Low mileage. 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:34.519 My odometer hasn't worked in a year and it quit 00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.280 working at 263 ,000. So I bet you I'm closer 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:45.139 to like 280 ,000. Yeah, probably. Maybe 300 ,000. 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:51.300 Not 300. Yeah. I forgot you don't drive around 00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:56.300 as much as I do, so. Yeah. So when I got in my 00:44:56.300 --> 00:44:59.360 truck today to go to a burger night at the VFW, 00:44:59.380 --> 00:45:01.400 it's the first time I've driven my truck since 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:04.079 I got back from rigs and coffee. Yeah. Which 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.000 makes it nice when you have that kind of downtime 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:11.940 to fix it. I don't have downtime. Not a day. 00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.019 I don't have downtime. You have like non drive 00:45:14.019 --> 00:45:17.079 time where you're not driving like every single 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.760 day. I'm not driving it, but I'm, I'm generally 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:24.420 working like 15 hours that day. Yeah, I know. 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:26.800 Like, I'm not saying downtime with your job. 00:45:27.139 --> 00:45:29.039 More like downtime where you're not driving. 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.860 Like, if you were required to have to, like, 00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:34.579 drive it to work the next day. I'd have a second 00:45:34.579 --> 00:45:37.659 vehicle. Right, yeah, that would suck. Yeah, 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:41.059 that's the only reason I can do what I do is 00:45:41.059 --> 00:45:43.000 that I don't have to drive every day. Otherwise, 00:45:43.099 --> 00:45:46.280 I'd have a second vehicle. Uh -huh. I mean, you 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.619 have a second vehicle. Okay, so the 442 hasn't 00:45:50.619 --> 00:45:56.400 moved since 2022, but it is there. We can pull 00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.420 it. We can fill the air and just pull it around 00:45:59.420 --> 00:46:02.460 the yard while you're behind the wheel. Oh, it's 00:46:02.460 --> 00:46:04.820 still holding air. Those brand new tires I put 00:46:04.820 --> 00:46:08.719 on it that I put 40 ,000 miles on, they're still 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.920 holding air. There you go. We can pull you around 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:14.559 the yard. Yeah. You can make a little. I could 00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:18.039 probably. Actually, if I put a battery in it, 00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:19.900 I could start it and drive it. It just would 00:46:19.900 --> 00:46:22.239 destroy the heads, which are the one thing I 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:29.460 can't replace. Yep. Just do a swap. I can't. 00:46:29.460 --> 00:46:32.480 The thing that makes that car special is the 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.760 W41. I definitely thought about swapping an HO 00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.860 in there, though. Just put a 3800 supercharged 00:46:39.860 --> 00:46:43.719 in it. That would be slower than what I've got. 00:46:43.780 --> 00:46:47.769 That's the craziest part. It would still be nice, 00:46:47.829 --> 00:46:53.409 though. Have a running car and everything. And 00:46:53.409 --> 00:46:56.889 I don't even know if it would fit, man. The four 00:46:56.889 --> 00:47:01.710 -cylinder kind of fills it up. Do a Hellcat swap? 00:47:02.909 --> 00:47:07.530 Oh, my God. Take the firewall out and move the 00:47:07.530 --> 00:47:12.389 seats all the way back. No, I think probably... 00:47:13.070 --> 00:47:15.750 Probably this winter. I'm hoping to get a tent 00:47:15.750 --> 00:47:17.329 that we can put by the shed, and we're going 00:47:17.329 --> 00:47:19.130 to be pulling that engine and going through it. 00:47:20.949 --> 00:47:24.349 Pull the engine, push the car body out of the 00:47:24.349 --> 00:47:27.449 tent. You'll find there's like a shop rag in 00:47:27.449 --> 00:47:29.030 there, and that was the whole reason it was making 00:47:29.030 --> 00:47:33.449 noise. Dude, if that thing drove around for 40 00:47:33.449 --> 00:47:35.730 ,000 miles with a shop rag in there, I would 00:47:35.730 --> 00:47:38.929 be pretty impressed with it. Heck yeah, dude. 00:47:41.190 --> 00:47:47.460 It was just... Yeah, now it needs paint and so 00:47:47.460 --> 00:47:50.400 much more work that needs done. And then I went 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:54.699 down. That long, man. Oh, no, the paint was already 00:47:54.699 --> 00:47:59.860 bad. Yeah, the paint was already bad. So I went 00:47:59.860 --> 00:48:02.739 downstairs. I've got the headliner pulled because 00:48:02.739 --> 00:48:04.340 I was going to redo it, and I've got it sitting 00:48:04.340 --> 00:48:07.880 on easels downstairs, and I found out that my 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.119 cat has been sleeping on it, and she's destroyed 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:14.139 the headliner. So now I need to find a new headliner 00:48:14.139 --> 00:48:16.460 card, and they're, like, impossible to find. 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:21.840 Probably... The one I had was already in kind 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.639 of bad shape, so I'm thinking there's that Star 00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:29.699 Customs or whatever in Kent City. I'm thinking 00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:31.280 about bringing it to them and seeing if they 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:36.000 can build me a new card for it. Yeah. Probably 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:40.059 cost me, like, $600, but... Yeah, but it's a 00:48:40.059 --> 00:48:46.900 new headliner. The rest of the interior is in 00:48:46.900 --> 00:48:50.679 really good shape. I've got most of it pulled 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:54.780 out right now for restoration purposes, but the 00:48:54.780 --> 00:48:58.179 seats aren't torn. They're not broken down. The 00:48:58.179 --> 00:49:01.920 carpet's still nice. I opened the door the other 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:06.559 day, and the car even smells good still. It's 00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:11.849 doing all right. Yeah. no living creatures in 00:49:11.849 --> 00:49:16.849 there no no none of that not there was a mouse 00:49:16.849 --> 00:49:20.730 nest on there was a mouse nest under the hood 00:49:20.730 --> 00:49:22.769 and they chewed through some wires so i got some 00:49:22.769 --> 00:49:26.949 electrical repair to do but and i climbed underneath 00:49:26.949 --> 00:49:28.949 it and stuck my head under there because i had 00:49:28.949 --> 00:49:31.030 a dream that i moved it and it was all rotted 00:49:31.030 --> 00:49:36.260 out but underneath it still looks pretty clean 00:49:36.260 --> 00:49:41.260 so we're still good to go guys but definitely 00:49:41.260 --> 00:49:43.679 this winter we need to pull the engine on that 00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:45.239 because i would love to have that car on the 00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:51.300 road again yeah oh um speaking of carports the 00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:54.019 company that we bought the awning through has 00:49:54.019 --> 00:49:57.260 carports as well for like 200 i just didn't catch 00:49:57.260 --> 00:50:02.369 what size sick Yeah, we definitely dropped the 00:50:02.369 --> 00:50:04.150 ball on doing it for this last winter, but we 00:50:04.150 --> 00:50:06.510 have to do it for this upcoming winter. Yes, 00:50:06.510 --> 00:50:12.909 we do. 100%. Getting out of the shop would be 00:50:12.909 --> 00:50:14.889 pretty killer, so we don't have to deal with 00:50:14.889 --> 00:50:17.590 having everything out by Monday morning. Yeah. 00:50:19.150 --> 00:50:25.949 Yeah. It would be killer. But... This has been 00:50:25.949 --> 00:50:28.750 fun, guys. It's nice to have Gavin back. We ended 00:50:28.750 --> 00:50:31.750 up doing two hours today instead of an hour and 00:50:31.750 --> 00:50:37.769 a half, which is pretty crazy. Yeah, it is pretty 00:50:37.769 --> 00:50:43.409 crazy. But we'll sign off, and you guys will 00:50:43.409 --> 00:50:46.010 hear from us next week. Yep. We'll see you later. 00:50:46.469 --> 00:50:46.949 Later.