WEBVTT 00:00:15.539 --> 00:00:18.239 Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:20.460 about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:22.839 tank camping to rock landing, and all things 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:25.420 to do with the outdoors. Today is one of the 00:00:25.420 --> 00:00:30.379 good old weekend recaps. Yep. It was a pretty 00:00:30.379 --> 00:00:36.420 eventful weekend, I would say. Me, Mark, and 00:00:36.420 --> 00:00:41.259 our siblings decided to do some tent testing 00:00:41.259 --> 00:00:47.479 in my front yard. Friday night, we set up all 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:50.899 of our tents and put them in front of the house 00:00:50.899 --> 00:00:55.000 so that the wind was blocked by the house. And 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.859 then it was really windy, like 35 -mile -an -hour 00:00:58.859 --> 00:01:02.399 sustaining winds with gusts up to 50 -something. 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:06.540 Yep. Well, putting them in front of the house, 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:08.819 and then we had all the cars parked in a line 00:01:08.819 --> 00:01:11.140 as like an alternate wind block, and it worked 00:01:11.140 --> 00:01:17.140 great. It did. It really did. Until four in the 00:01:17.140 --> 00:01:20.560 morning when the wind shifted and started coming 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:24.099 out of the northwest and just blasted our tents. 00:01:24.299 --> 00:01:28.920 Yeah. But we stuck it out. I woke up with my 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.579 sleeping bag frozen to my cot. I forgot about 00:01:31.579 --> 00:01:34.140 it. You got it worse than me. I don't know. Both 00:01:34.140 --> 00:01:36.140 nights, it was just the bottom of the feet of 00:01:36.140 --> 00:01:38.420 the sleeping bags that had a little bit of frost 00:01:38.420 --> 00:01:43.030 on it. That was it. I think the problem is that 00:01:43.030 --> 00:01:45.989 for a Saturday morning, I didn't flip my, uh, 00:01:46.010 --> 00:01:49.510 sleeping bag over to let it dry. I just left 00:01:49.510 --> 00:01:52.450 it in there. Yep. Definitely did. Whereas you 00:01:52.450 --> 00:01:59.189 would flip yours over. Yeah. So, I mean, it, 00:01:59.290 --> 00:02:02.849 uh, it worked. The sleeping bags were warm. The 00:02:02.849 --> 00:02:05.930 tents were, they all handled the winds. Yep. 00:02:06.290 --> 00:02:10.680 Um, Saturday night was much, Palmer. We were 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:12.759 actually able to have a fire Saturday. Oh, yeah. 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:19.319 I enjoyed that fire Saturday night. We've decided 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.280 to... Did someone try and say something? Oh, 00:02:22.300 --> 00:02:26.180 I was just going to say that windstorm reminded 00:02:26.180 --> 00:02:28.780 me of the Labor Day windstorm that we had when 00:02:28.780 --> 00:02:33.500 we were up in UP with the MSD group. We did that 00:02:33.500 --> 00:02:36.860 Labor Day trip right on the coast of Lake Superior. 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:41.289 The first couple days were great. and that last 00:02:41.289 --> 00:02:45.210 day it was like 45 mile an hour winds and 55 00:02:45.210 --> 00:02:51.409 mile an hour gusts off the coast and we had parked 00:02:51.409 --> 00:02:53.949 everything just like you guys were said we'll 00:02:53.949 --> 00:02:57.789 make made a line of vehicles put down like uh 00:02:57.789 --> 00:03:00.990 one of the other guys he had a kayak we put it 00:03:00.990 --> 00:03:03.090 under his truck because the he had a little bit 00:03:03.090 --> 00:03:06.960 of a lift help with the breeze And we only lasted 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:08.780 a couple hours that next morning. We tried to 00:03:08.780 --> 00:03:12.020 make hot dogs for breakfast. Breakfast last lunch. 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:16.159 And sand. We were all getting sandblasted. We 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:18.240 looked down in the pan and it's full of sand. 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:20.699 We're like, yeah. Alright, it's time to move. 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:23.719 Thankfully, it wasn't as cold as it probably 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:26.460 was for you guys. Was that the Paradise trip? 00:03:27.580 --> 00:03:30.879 Yeah. Yeah, up there in that area. I'm debating 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.039 about doing it this year. That's why I was wondering. 00:03:33.379 --> 00:03:38.090 It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. I can't 00:03:38.090 --> 00:03:41.889 because that's in September, right? Yes. Yeah, 00:03:41.909 --> 00:03:44.909 so I've got to leave time for our botches yearly 00:03:44.909 --> 00:03:48.590 that month. We're doing botches yearly in September. 00:03:49.129 --> 00:03:52.750 Yeah. You can only do like a couple days, like 00:03:52.750 --> 00:03:55.310 just take the weekends. It's only like a four 00:03:55.310 --> 00:03:57.189 -day thing. I think you also have to stay around 00:03:57.189 --> 00:04:00.870 for turkeys because of the fireworks. I can only 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:05.319 take weekends. So I only can do like one weekend 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:07.360 a month that I'm going to be gone the whole time. 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:12.680 So the weekend that I'm choosing is botches yearly, 00:04:12.819 --> 00:04:17.079 not that one. Man, that's a bummer. It's a lot 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:21.500 of fun, though. Wish you could be there. Maybe 00:04:21.500 --> 00:04:25.279 in a couple years when we don't have botches 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:28.160 yearly in September, which we're only doing it 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.240 in September because Shane will be back in September. 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:36.060 Yep. Right. So probably next year, I'll probably 00:04:36.060 --> 00:04:42.699 do it that month. I did not turn my ringer off. 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:45.680 It's a good thing. We didn't hear it. That's 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.699 all right. So you guys did your tent camping. 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:53.779 Did you guys work on any trucks? We briefly worked 00:04:53.779 --> 00:04:59.360 on mine. We did the alignment on yours. Yeah. 00:04:59.949 --> 00:05:05.269 Oh, we finished my nav setup. Yeah. That we did. 00:05:05.389 --> 00:05:09.689 We did do that. Yep. But the big thing was the 00:05:09.689 --> 00:05:11.430 trailer. Oh, yeah. The big thing was the trailer. 00:05:11.870 --> 00:05:14.329 It was a very productive weekend for the trailer. 00:05:15.649 --> 00:05:19.889 The trailer is now completely decked. It is now 00:05:19.889 --> 00:05:24.529 completely wired, although the plug that we got 00:05:24.529 --> 00:05:29.339 from Amazon is not good. The left blinker and 00:05:29.339 --> 00:05:31.100 the running lights don't work on the plug from 00:05:31.100 --> 00:05:35.439 Amazon. Yeah. So I got to cut that off and get 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:43.259 a new plug for it. Damn Amazon. But it is completely 00:05:43.259 --> 00:05:47.000 decked. It is completely wired. It even has its 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:51.019 own battery and the wireless switch to control 00:05:51.019 --> 00:05:58.540 the chase light. Yeah. So it's got a six -button 00:05:58.540 --> 00:06:03.000 wireless switch panel that you bring into your 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.420 vehicle when you're towing it. Yep. And that 00:06:05.420 --> 00:06:08.220 six -button switch panel will control all of 00:06:08.220 --> 00:06:10.540 the lights on the trailer. So whoever's towing 00:06:10.540 --> 00:06:12.579 it, rather than having to run a separate plug 00:06:12.579 --> 00:06:16.180 for the light controls, you just grab the switch 00:06:16.180 --> 00:06:20.980 and go. Yep. Yep. Because we originally talked 00:06:20.980 --> 00:06:23.120 about where it was going to run off the vehicle, 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:29.250 but... This was a better idea. I am tossing around 00:06:29.250 --> 00:06:32.810 the idea of doing a Anderson connector on the 00:06:32.810 --> 00:06:35.870 back so we can hook up better battery charging 00:06:35.870 --> 00:06:39.970 power than what is coming off the seven way. 00:06:40.110 --> 00:06:44.069 But for the most part, I think it's all done 00:06:44.069 --> 00:06:47.529 the way it is. And it looks fucking sick. Every 00:06:47.529 --> 00:06:49.829 morning I walk out and look at it down by the 00:06:49.829 --> 00:06:52.790 shed and I'm like, we built that. Hell yeah. 00:06:53.009 --> 00:06:55.649 Yeah. Anderson Connector is the way to go, man. 00:06:55.949 --> 00:06:58.089 I had to jump my truck because I left all my 00:06:58.089 --> 00:07:00.649 shit on on accident at work. That's not a bad 00:07:00.649 --> 00:07:04.790 idea either. I had Anderson Connector with the 00:07:04.790 --> 00:07:07.970 jumpers that you guys made for whenever you guys 00:07:07.970 --> 00:07:12.230 had to jump Mark's truck or whatever. And just 00:07:12.230 --> 00:07:15.649 put clamp on clamp, jumped my truck real quick, 00:07:15.689 --> 00:07:18.110 and hopped in and left. I was like, yeah, okay, 00:07:18.170 --> 00:07:25.639 this works. This is nice. I need to get an Anderson 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.220 connector that runs out of my truck. Right now 00:07:28.220 --> 00:07:31.120 I have them, but they're all, you have to dig 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.139 back to them because they're in the back because 00:07:33.139 --> 00:07:36.620 my battery's in the back, you know? Right. So 00:07:36.620 --> 00:07:40.120 I need to run one that goes straight to the battery 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:44.759 that I can just plug in a jumper cable off. Yeah, 00:07:44.779 --> 00:07:47.899 I was thinking about running a separate one inside 00:07:47.899 --> 00:07:50.420 the truck so that I could just run the compressor. 00:07:51.660 --> 00:07:53.939 sitting in the truck and I have to pull it out 00:07:53.939 --> 00:07:57.420 every time. The only time I usually pull it out 00:07:57.420 --> 00:07:59.639 is when I'm helping someone else or something 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:02.560 like that. I can still air my truck up where 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:04.319 the compressor sits with the amount of hose that 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:07.939 I have. Okay, so you know all that shade I threw 00:08:07.939 --> 00:08:13.740 at the ARB compressor? I'm thinking about getting 00:08:13.740 --> 00:08:15.980 one, but not because I think they're good. I 00:08:15.980 --> 00:08:18.300 still think that they're way overpriced. I'll 00:08:18.300 --> 00:08:22.189 probably get a knockoff. I'll probably get a 00:08:22.189 --> 00:08:24.430 knockoff because the knockoff is built in the 00:08:24.430 --> 00:08:27.209 same factory. It's literally the same pump, but 00:08:27.209 --> 00:08:33.190 it's $250 instead of $600. Yeah. But I found 00:08:33.190 --> 00:08:36.769 a guy who has built the ARB compressor into a 00:08:36.769 --> 00:08:40.210 small packout. Yeah. So it is a removable air 00:08:40.210 --> 00:08:43.009 compressor that's all fully enclosed with switches 00:08:43.009 --> 00:08:48.950 and everything all in a packout. Yep. Hmm. And 00:08:48.950 --> 00:08:53.129 it is absolutely fucking cool. Yeah, it's removable. 00:08:53.490 --> 00:08:58.129 Yep. Why? You just, I guess, the reason to have 00:08:58.129 --> 00:09:00.990 it removable is so that you can move it around? 00:09:03.029 --> 00:09:05.909 I really don't need it removable. I just like 00:09:05.909 --> 00:09:07.870 the idea of it being in a packout so I can get 00:09:07.870 --> 00:09:10.970 it out of the way. Yep. Because I can just throw 00:09:10.970 --> 00:09:15.129 it in my packout stack. Yeah, I was just wondering, 00:09:15.210 --> 00:09:17.269 like, if you had extra space in, like, your battery 00:09:17.269 --> 00:09:19.289 pack out where your battery sits, you could just 00:09:19.289 --> 00:09:21.470 mount it in there. No, there's not that lot of 00:09:21.470 --> 00:09:23.690 space in there. Oh, it wouldn't. No. Yeah, it 00:09:23.690 --> 00:09:26.570 wouldn't fit in there. I'm trying to find it 00:09:26.570 --> 00:09:28.210 real quick so I can send it to you, and then 00:09:28.210 --> 00:09:32.330 Mark can put a screenshot of it in the show notes. 00:09:32.909 --> 00:09:35.649 Yeah, dude, it's really freaking cool. Yeah. 00:09:36.549 --> 00:09:41.700 I'm debating about doing it as well. Yeah, I 00:09:41.700 --> 00:09:43.519 think until mine breaks, I'm going to be happy 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:47.840 with the one I got for now. Seems to be doing 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:55.460 okay. Yeah, I mean, it's big. It's heavy. It's 00:09:55.460 --> 00:09:58.639 the only downside to it. It takes up more space 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.139 than it needs to. I just don't know if I would 00:10:01.139 --> 00:10:05.080 touch those again after mine collapsed in on 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:11.490 itself twice. Twice. Yeah. Well, I was a little 00:10:11.490 --> 00:10:14.570 apprehensive with the all -top after mine fucked 00:10:14.570 --> 00:10:18.289 up. So that's kind of where I was wondering about 00:10:18.289 --> 00:10:21.669 that. And the thing is with the all -top is the 00:10:21.669 --> 00:10:24.570 way that yours failed, Gavin, honestly, I can 00:10:24.570 --> 00:10:26.330 make yours work. All that happened with that 00:10:26.330 --> 00:10:30.350 one is the little circuit board failed on it. 00:10:30.409 --> 00:10:33.710 That's an easy thing to fix. With Mark's, it 00:10:33.710 --> 00:10:35.909 literally, the screws that hold the reeds on 00:10:35.909 --> 00:10:38.970 got spit off into the cylinders and just exploded 00:10:38.970 --> 00:10:43.190 the cylinders. Yeah. Like, twice. It happened 00:10:43.190 --> 00:10:46.730 twice. Yep. We took it all apart, put a new piston 00:10:46.730 --> 00:10:50.629 in once, and then it did it the next use. Yep. 00:10:50.990 --> 00:10:53.070 Yeah, but the thing is, if you're paying that 00:10:53.070 --> 00:10:55.149 much money for it, it shouldn't have a six -hour 00:10:55.149 --> 00:11:00.929 burnout time, you know? No, it shouldn't. Combine 00:11:00.929 --> 00:11:04.029 the amount of hours that I probably used on that 00:11:04.029 --> 00:11:07.850 one was less than six hours total. So, I mean, 00:11:07.889 --> 00:11:11.019 that's horrible. I mean, this one that I've used 00:11:11.019 --> 00:11:16.019 already has gotten past that and then some. And 00:11:16.019 --> 00:11:18.440 the crazy thing is the circuit board that's on 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:21.480 your Thor's Lightning is the exact same one that's 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:24.000 on the all -top compressor. Yep. The exact same 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.740 part. You just got lucky. I don't know the difference. 00:11:28.779 --> 00:11:32.779 If you would. You just got lucky or unlucky. 00:11:33.259 --> 00:11:36.019 The only difference is the color and name brand 00:11:36.019 --> 00:11:42.419 on it. Because there's, like, probably almost 00:11:42.419 --> 00:11:45.480 10 or 20 companies selling the same exact compressor 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:50.139 setup, just repainted and rebranded. Yep. Oh, 00:11:50.179 --> 00:11:53.139 yeah. I agree with that. They're all knockoffs 00:11:53.139 --> 00:11:56.419 of Morphlates. Technically, the original was 00:11:56.419 --> 00:12:01.240 Nappa. Well, yeah. I think it wasn't, or was 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:03.379 Nappa the knockoff of Tyler's? No, Nappa was 00:12:03.379 --> 00:12:06.860 the original because they don't sell it anymore. 00:12:08.669 --> 00:12:10.789 Dirt for Life was saying that he couldn't find 00:12:10.789 --> 00:12:15.649 Napa anymore because that was his original. Yeah. 00:12:15.750 --> 00:12:19.389 Huh. Either way, everyone's ripping each other 00:12:19.389 --> 00:12:24.110 off. Yeah. I'm just glad mine's lasted as long 00:12:24.110 --> 00:12:27.850 as it has. I mean, the one time we used it, New 00:12:27.850 --> 00:12:29.629 Year's, we did three different trucks with it 00:12:29.629 --> 00:12:33.250 consistently. So, yeah, I was pretty impressed 00:12:33.250 --> 00:12:38.210 with that. And it didn't have auto shutoffs for 00:12:38.210 --> 00:12:41.350 the compression either. Like, the all -top that 00:12:41.350 --> 00:12:43.889 I had, it would just run consistently, whether 00:12:43.889 --> 00:12:47.129 you were doing anything or not. And this one 00:12:47.129 --> 00:12:49.570 will actually turn off if you're not using it. 00:12:50.090 --> 00:12:52.450 It has, like, an auto pressure shutoff almost. 00:12:52.750 --> 00:12:56.509 Yeah, mine did too. Mark's did too, and then 00:12:56.509 --> 00:12:58.169 we ripped it out and replaced it with a better 00:12:58.169 --> 00:13:03.950 one, and then it still duped itself. Yep. Yeah. 00:13:05.769 --> 00:13:08.850 Well, all right, what else did we do this weekend? 00:13:09.190 --> 00:13:13.269 You had, other than rigs and coffee, I guess. 00:13:13.309 --> 00:13:17.190 We had rigs and coffee. Yeah. I did my winch 00:13:17.190 --> 00:13:20.330 this weekend. Yeah, that looked pretty sick. 00:13:20.490 --> 00:13:24.070 Mr. Chopped the whole bumper off. Yeah, yeah, 00:13:24.110 --> 00:13:27.289 I made some holes. Mark put out a good observation 00:13:27.289 --> 00:13:29.870 that I could probably just recess a box in there 00:13:29.870 --> 00:13:32.309 and maybe put a recovery gear or something like 00:13:32.309 --> 00:13:34.350 that in there. Yeah. Might be what I do. Oh, 00:13:34.350 --> 00:13:37.529 that'd be pretty sick. It might as well. The 00:13:37.529 --> 00:13:42.110 hole's already there. Yeah, I mean, I spent all 00:13:42.110 --> 00:13:45.789 the... Go ahead. I dealt with Jackson having 00:13:45.789 --> 00:13:50.129 meltdowns the entire time. And then he didn't 00:13:50.129 --> 00:13:52.029 want to play with Jasper. And then we got home 00:13:52.029 --> 00:13:53.429 and he's like, all right, I want to play with 00:13:53.429 --> 00:14:01.830 Jasper now. It's too late. Yeah, Jasper was tired 00:14:01.830 --> 00:14:03.789 when we got there, so he wasn't trying to play 00:14:03.789 --> 00:14:07.100 much. He woke up, had some cookies, saw that 00:14:07.100 --> 00:14:09.399 everybody else was playing around, and then he 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:14.320 was ready. Yeah. He was ready to go. So we ran 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:16.860 around that, talked to a couple people we haven't 00:14:16.860 --> 00:14:21.139 seen all winter, and finally got Scott back his 00:14:21.139 --> 00:14:27.379 sand. I've had a tent stake from Scott for, like, 00:14:27.379 --> 00:14:31.659 over a year. Speaking of our Labor Day camping 00:14:31.659 --> 00:14:35.929 trip, he lent us one. to help try to get my tent 00:14:35.929 --> 00:14:38.429 down because I didn't have any sand stakes. Yep. 00:14:38.669 --> 00:14:42.529 And then he left early one day, and we never 00:14:42.529 --> 00:14:44.570 got it back to him. So I've been waiting since 00:14:44.570 --> 00:14:46.450 Labor Day to give it back to him. And I'm like, 00:14:46.470 --> 00:14:49.250 I have something for you. He's like, oh? And 00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:50.830 I gave it back, and he just starts laughing. 00:14:50.950 --> 00:14:53.549 I'm like, I've been waiting so long to get this 00:14:53.549 --> 00:14:58.750 one silver tent stake back to you. So we got 00:14:58.750 --> 00:15:02.129 to see Scott. He's a cool guy. He likes his cigars. 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:06.200 He's always been relaxed. And he drives a... 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:08.960 I was going to say, you're talking Frontier, 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:12.139 Scott, right? Yeah. Yeah, he drives the Nissan 00:15:12.139 --> 00:15:16.019 Frontier. It's pretty cool. It's got a little 00:15:16.019 --> 00:15:19.659 fridge in there that works great. He's got a 00:15:19.659 --> 00:15:21.139 good little setup. And then he's got a little 00:15:21.139 --> 00:15:25.279 off -road bike that he drives, too, now. So he's 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:30.460 cool to camp with. Oh, yeah. Saw the Derricks. 00:15:31.570 --> 00:15:34.669 All the Derricks were there, I think. Not all 00:15:34.669 --> 00:15:37.409 the Joes were there, though. Not all the Joes. 00:15:37.409 --> 00:15:40.429 No, not all the Joes. Most Joes. There's a lot 00:15:40.429 --> 00:15:44.590 of Derricks, a lot of Joes. Yeah. And then we 00:15:44.590 --> 00:15:49.330 saw a cool avalanche. There was like an avalanche 00:15:49.330 --> 00:15:55.009 that pulled up. Yeah, the black one. That tremor. 00:15:55.500 --> 00:15:57.980 That park next to you was super sick. That was 00:15:57.980 --> 00:16:00.659 super sick. Yeah, that Tremor was there last 00:16:00.659 --> 00:16:04.259 year, too. That thing's gorgeous. There was a 00:16:04.259 --> 00:16:08.279 Tiguan, I think it was. I think it was pretty 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:12.720 interesting to look at. Did you see that? Big 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:17.440 old tires. I guess I didn't. It was down the 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.840 line a little bit. lifted Volkswagen Tiguan that 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:25.440 had some muddies on it. Oh, I did see that. Yeah, 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:32.620 yeah, yeah. There was a GMC Terrain. Yep. Yep. 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.639 Yep, we checked that out. Distracted Zach so 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:38.320 we could throw a sticker on there, a sticker 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:43.200 on the back of his window. And then what else? 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:46.279 There was one of my other buddies I was camping 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:49.289 with, one of the kids' camps. I haven't seen 00:16:49.289 --> 00:16:53.330 him since that kid camp. He had the Lexus SUV. 00:16:53.490 --> 00:16:55.590 It was like the tan one. I forget which one it 00:16:55.590 --> 00:16:58.950 is. Or I'm sorry, not a Lexus, Land Cruiser. 00:16:59.450 --> 00:17:04.710 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's got a good setup, 00:17:04.769 --> 00:17:07.349 too. He's got a cool kid. He was playing with 00:17:07.349 --> 00:17:10.190 Jasper last time. So it was cool seeing all the 00:17:10.190 --> 00:17:11.970 people, seeing everyone get out of hibernation. 00:17:14.410 --> 00:17:19.420 Everybody made fun of my bumper. Yeah. I will 00:17:19.420 --> 00:17:23.059 say, after seeing your fair lead, I am on the 00:17:23.059 --> 00:17:24.759 hunt for one, because I think that's the setup 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:29.720 I want to go to. Yeah? Yeah, shout out to Casey 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:31.759 on that one. It was pretty cool of him to give 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:35.559 me that. Oh, by the way, I finally gave Casey 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:40.900 the hug that you refused to give him. Me? Yeah. 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:46.900 Dude's a big guy. I was like, oh my. What a tall 00:17:46.900 --> 00:17:50.180 glass of water. he is a big tall and then he 00:17:50.180 --> 00:17:53.180 brought me into his shop and that thing was and 00:17:53.180 --> 00:17:55.720 he showed me his fucking truck his bronco oh 00:17:55.720 --> 00:18:01.019 my god this thing is gorgeous no case you don't 00:18:01.019 --> 00:18:04.079 like i didn't you don't notice like some of these 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.240 trucks that you see like on facebook and stuff 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.920 the guys that you talk to online like man you 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.299 don't realize how big their vehicles are Yeah. 00:18:11.420 --> 00:18:13.660 It's like, do you guys see that Jeep that was 00:18:13.660 --> 00:18:16.119 on, like, 37s or Ford? Oh, yeah, the one parking 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:18.839 next to Derek. I think it was Red Sasquatch or 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:22.220 Red Beard Sasquatch. I cannot. I can't think 00:18:22.220 --> 00:18:25.799 of what his name is. He comes to beer days. Yeah, 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:27.619 yeah. I can't remember his name either, but he 00:18:27.619 --> 00:18:29.960 was there last time, and I'm like, holy shit. 00:18:30.819 --> 00:18:36.559 Yeah, he's so nice. Yeah, it's on 37s. I think 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:38.500 it's still stock axles, if I remember right. 00:18:40.220 --> 00:18:42.299 I know it's got some power adders making it a 00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:46.920 little faster. It's geared pretty well. It's 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:49.559 beautiful. It's a very well -built rig. Oh, yeah. 00:18:51.779 --> 00:18:54.920 Yeah. What else? Any other little cool vehicles 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.700 that we saw? We had Patrick's second -gen 4Runner. 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:02.119 Was that your first time meeting Casey? Yeah. 00:19:03.619 --> 00:19:08.140 Casey's a cool cat. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Patrick did 00:19:08.140 --> 00:19:10.500 bring his 4Runner, too. That was the first time 00:19:10.500 --> 00:19:13.619 I met Patrick in person. It's not really a first 00:19:13.619 --> 00:19:18.259 -gen 4Runner. It's a Toyota pickup with a 4Runner 00:19:18.259 --> 00:19:21.539 back on it. I forgot it was a first -gen. I forgot 00:19:21.539 --> 00:19:25.940 it was a first -gen. Technically. I mean, it's 00:19:25.940 --> 00:19:31.319 a sixth -gen, but it's gorgeous. And he drives 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:35.700 it all the way from Missouri or Arkansas on, 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:41.730 like, super swampers. That are warped. Crazy. 00:19:44.410 --> 00:19:51.829 Damn, dude. He says it's not bumpy inside, but 00:19:51.829 --> 00:19:56.029 I can't imagine that it's not bumpy on the BVS. 00:19:56.970 --> 00:20:00.990 No, it was Arkansas plates. Yeah, I'm pretty 00:20:00.990 --> 00:20:05.269 sure it's Arkansas. He also has an engine out 00:20:05.269 --> 00:20:10.410 of a 19 Tacoma. four -cylinder in there? I'm 00:20:10.410 --> 00:20:15.390 pretty sure it's a 19 Tacoma. It is a wild build. 00:20:15.609 --> 00:20:20.029 We did an episode with Patrick before. We should 00:20:20.029 --> 00:20:27.289 post that in the show notes. It was cool. Everyone 00:20:27.289 --> 00:20:29.549 thought you guys were going to bring your trailer. 00:20:29.670 --> 00:20:32.950 You didn't bring your trailer. We were fairly 00:20:32.950 --> 00:20:37.440 disappointed in that, too. It all came down to, 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.859 one, it nosedives like crazy on Mark's truck. 00:20:42.099 --> 00:20:44.660 Yeah. My truck, I haven't beefed up the hitch 00:20:44.660 --> 00:20:48.079 yet. It's not rated for towing. But once I do 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:50.740 that, I'll be able to pull it. And then, three, 00:20:51.019 --> 00:20:53.960 the lights didn't work. Yeah. So, yeah. That 00:20:53.960 --> 00:21:00.039 was the main factor out of all the lights. Heck, 00:21:00.099 --> 00:21:02.259 I would have towed it if I could, but I can't 00:21:02.259 --> 00:21:04.970 even get my freaking. ball out of the back of 00:21:04.970 --> 00:21:07.029 mine. I think it'll sit too low for you, though. 00:21:08.410 --> 00:21:10.950 Yeah, just probably. Even with Mark, dude, it's 00:21:10.950 --> 00:21:15.029 like nine inches off the ground with Mark's truck 00:21:15.029 --> 00:21:16.710 or something like that. Like, it's really close. 00:21:17.210 --> 00:21:19.130 I mean, that's the reason why I want to get rid 00:21:19.130 --> 00:21:21.130 of that bumper and hitch receiver and integrate 00:21:21.130 --> 00:21:24.269 the hitch into the new bumper once I make that. 00:21:25.569 --> 00:21:28.910 Speaking of your bumper, didn't you fix your 00:21:28.910 --> 00:21:32.609 latch finally? Oh, yeah. That was another thing 00:21:32.609 --> 00:21:36.369 we did. We finally welded a new latch on instead 00:21:36.369 --> 00:21:41.190 of having it fucking ratchet straps shut for 00:21:41.190 --> 00:21:50.609 last year almost now. Fun times. Yeah. And working 00:21:50.609 --> 00:21:54.390 on the trailer this weekend gave us ideas for 00:21:54.390 --> 00:22:00.359 the next trailer. I mean, it's... fully rebuilt 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:06.960 our idea of the trailer too. Yeah. Next trailer. 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:10.160 These are project guys for you. They always want 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:14.119 something to work on. We have two trucks. Don't 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:19.259 we need two trailers? No. Ironically, what we're 00:22:19.259 --> 00:22:21.220 talking about is going to go against a lot of 00:22:21.220 --> 00:22:23.880 our sayings. It's going to be funny when they 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:33.730 come out. Our rooftop town. Yeah. Knew it. But 00:22:33.730 --> 00:22:38.910 mounted sideways. But mounted sideways. That's 00:22:38.910 --> 00:22:42.990 alright. What we're looking at doing is going 00:22:42.990 --> 00:22:45.349 to be really cool. It kind of goes more into 00:22:45.349 --> 00:22:49.309 the Overland trailer thing, which I always say 00:22:49.309 --> 00:22:51.730 is kind of dumb, and it is kind of dumb, but 00:22:51.730 --> 00:22:55.690 god are they cool. Don't get me wrong, if I say 00:22:55.690 --> 00:22:57.930 something's dumb, it doesn't mean it isn't fucking 00:22:57.930 --> 00:23:00.730 cool. Like, rooftop tents, I think they're dumb 00:23:00.730 --> 00:23:06.069 as hell, but they are so fucking cool. Yep. That's 00:23:06.069 --> 00:23:10.430 my next big purchase. I know, and I think it's 00:23:10.430 --> 00:23:12.369 a big waste of money, but you know how fucking 00:23:12.369 --> 00:23:16.170 cool it's going to be? It's going to be so nice. 00:23:17.029 --> 00:23:19.390 I'm waiting for my rack. My rack comes in tomorrow. 00:23:20.069 --> 00:23:24.069 Nice. I'll be getting that in, taking everything 00:23:24.069 --> 00:23:28.220 off my roof. Are you going to... Come put it 00:23:28.220 --> 00:23:32.220 on with us this weekend? I can. No, I can't. 00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:38.700 I work this weekend. Yeah. I know. It would be 00:23:38.700 --> 00:23:43.220 next weekend, if anything. Well, I guess that 00:23:43.220 --> 00:23:48.220 gets us into upcoming weekend plans. Let's start 00:23:48.220 --> 00:23:53.559 with Mark. What are you doing this weekend? Sailing, 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.859 not working on my vehicle. You still haven't 00:23:56.859 --> 00:24:00.700 gotten an update on those? I have not. I looked 00:24:00.700 --> 00:24:04.099 today. It said it was preparing to ship, but 00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:08.339 that was about it. Because we really need to 00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:12.819 fix his cam bolt things for his alignment, but 00:24:12.819 --> 00:24:15.279 we're waiting on a part that is now two weeks 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:19.420 since he ordered it. Yes. Very annoying. Hey, 00:24:19.420 --> 00:24:24.259 did you order that canopy? Yes, I did. That was 00:24:24.259 --> 00:24:25.819 very annoying. You got the brown one? Yes, I 00:24:25.819 --> 00:24:28.880 got the brown one. I literally went to click 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:33.160 to purchase and it said, item no longer available. 00:24:33.299 --> 00:24:35.539 I'm like, what? It said you had two of them. 00:24:35.740 --> 00:24:41.240 Literally like two seconds ago. Yeah, so we ordered, 00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:44.839 well, I guess we didn't. Mark ordered it. But 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:49.819 we got a beaver canopy. It's six -sided, I believe. 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:52.240 Yep. And has hard sides, so when it's raining 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:53.980 and stuff, you can throw the hard sides on it. 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:59.680 Yep. Send that so that Gavin can look at it. 00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:03.539 We can put it in the show notes. Yep. Yeah, it's 00:25:03.539 --> 00:25:07.799 super sick, dude. And I'm going to throw a stove 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.000 jack in the roof so we can put a wood stove in 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:15.579 it in the winter. Mm -hmm. Huh. Interesting. 00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:22.240 Yeah. Let's see the, looking for the hard side. 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.839 Yeah, the hard sides, they just Velcro over the 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:32.660 netting. Oh. Yeah. I'm thinking it was like a 00:25:32.660 --> 00:25:35.519 hard, hard side. No, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, 00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:38.519 no, no. When I say hard side, I mean it's like 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:40.839 tarp that covers the walls to keep it from getting 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:46.000 wet. But for a quick setup canopy, it's pretty 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:49.240 freaking sick. And I was. I was reading through 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:51.359 the negative reviews last night and there's only 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.559 like one negative review. And the lady's like, 00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:57.599 it only lasted six months. And then you're looking 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:00.140 at her pictures and she clearly set it up and 00:26:00.140 --> 00:26:03.359 left it out for six months. Yeah. Oh, 10 months. 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.180 Oh, like as a gazebo. Yeah. Like she literally 00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:09.740 used it as a hard gazebo and then was disappointed 00:26:09.740 --> 00:26:18.329 that it sun faded and stuff. How dare you? But 00:26:18.329 --> 00:26:20.250 it's clear that that's not how it's meant to 00:26:20.250 --> 00:26:22.769 be used. You know what I mean? It's meant for 00:26:22.769 --> 00:26:27.009 a pop -up tent or, like, for camping pretty much. 00:26:29.150 --> 00:26:32.069 Yeah, that would be a cool little social spot. 00:26:32.289 --> 00:26:35.710 Oh, yeah. That's what we're thinking is days 00:26:35.710 --> 00:26:38.029 like Friday when it was really windy, we can 00:26:38.029 --> 00:26:40.769 throw a fire pit in there and have a little fire. 00:26:43.309 --> 00:26:46.789 Kind of coming around after the windy day to 00:26:46.789 --> 00:26:49.250 Gavin's way of thinking on propane fire pits. 00:26:49.690 --> 00:26:54.190 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I've seen that too. An inexpensive 00:26:54.190 --> 00:26:58.690 one. Oh, yeah. I found a super nice fire pit 00:26:58.690 --> 00:27:08.049 for like $250. Jesus. Yeah. $250 is not cheap, 00:27:08.130 --> 00:27:11.119 but I guess in the overland world it is. I mean, 00:27:11.140 --> 00:27:12.619 considering what we're talking about is like 00:27:12.619 --> 00:27:19.400 1 ,000 for the good ones. But I'm not... I mean, 00:27:19.420 --> 00:27:21.480 I'm not saying that propane is better than wood. 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.880 It's just nice that you can burn propane in windy 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.799 conditions. And we can use that rigs of coffee 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:28.819 and not worry about where we're putting our ashes 00:27:28.819 --> 00:27:31.859 at. Yeah, that's the one I was... Yeah, that's 00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:34.000 the one I was talking about. Oh, okay. Well, 00:27:34.099 --> 00:27:37.259 I found it. I love it. Yeah, that's the one I 00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:40.579 was going to look in again. Yeah. Well, it's 00:27:40.579 --> 00:27:42.799 sick. I've done a lot of research, and I've approved 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:46.099 it. It's a good purchase. Welcome to the dark 00:27:46.099 --> 00:27:50.980 side. I still... The longer he does it, the more 00:27:50.980 --> 00:27:53.759 he's like, I hate rooftop tents, but I kind of 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.900 like them. Propane fire pits suck, but I'm kind 00:27:57.900 --> 00:28:01.940 of coming around. No, you can ask Mark. I've 00:28:01.940 --> 00:28:04.180 always liked rooftop tents because they're fucking 00:28:04.180 --> 00:28:07.220 cool. But I think that they are way too much 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:09.490 money for what they are. Yeah, I don't know, 00:28:09.490 --> 00:28:12.369 man. Just for the price of it, I'm not paying, 00:28:12.529 --> 00:28:15.289 you know, I'm not doing it. If I include labor 00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:18.930 and the cost of making it, then I'm okay with 00:28:18.930 --> 00:28:23.150 it. I just don't think, you know, I can get a 00:28:23.150 --> 00:28:25.950 rooftop tent that will comfortably sleep me and 00:28:25.950 --> 00:28:29.369 Kaylin, not necessarily the dogs, and that's 00:28:29.369 --> 00:28:32.269 going to cost me $2 ,500. Or I can go get a Walmart 00:28:32.269 --> 00:28:35.549 tent for $100 that comfortably sleeps all of 00:28:35.549 --> 00:28:39.690 us, including Mark and Alan. Absolutely. Absolutely. 00:28:40.009 --> 00:28:43.890 To me, it's just a cost to use case is just hard 00:28:43.890 --> 00:28:48.509 to accept. I guess my only argument is how many 00:28:48.509 --> 00:28:53.869 times can you use that a day at a time? Like, 00:28:53.869 --> 00:28:57.430 you know, rooftop tents, they have their purpose. 00:28:57.589 --> 00:28:59.769 You know, it's for day set up, day set down. 00:29:00.569 --> 00:29:04.289 You know, you're leaving in the morning. I think 00:29:04.289 --> 00:29:07.880 that a quick set up ground tent. is still better 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.019 cost use case even if you're setting up every 00:29:11.019 --> 00:29:15.359 day absolutely i i do too i think the only difference 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.640 is when it comes into durability and time that's 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:21.059 the only thing that's the only thing that i think 00:29:21.059 --> 00:29:25.720 that would really set it apart well um and in 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:30.720 my case space saving with time it takes most 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.220 people about three to four minutes to get the 00:29:33.220 --> 00:29:35.720 rooftop tent set up So I'll give them that it 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.079 takes me seven to eight minutes to set up my 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:42.559 big tent. But the downside is that rooftop tents 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.940 don't last as long as a good ground tent. They'll 00:29:45.940 --> 00:29:48.319 last longer than my $100 ground tent for sure. 00:29:48.539 --> 00:29:52.839 But all that up and down causes a lot of wear 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.720 on those tent sides. Yeah, I would say durability, 00:29:55.859 --> 00:29:59.119 most rooftop tents are pretty darn good. I mean, 00:29:59.140 --> 00:30:03.339 they're doing the same thing. I mean, as your 00:30:03.339 --> 00:30:05.720 ground tents are doing. You know what I mean? 00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:07.900 I mean, the up and down, I would say, would be 00:30:07.900 --> 00:30:12.819 more of a clamshell issue. The only rooftop tents 00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:16.440 that I would give a durability pass on are the 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.079 wedge style. Those, 100 % better than any of 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.220 the other ones, from a durability standpoint. 00:30:23.740 --> 00:30:26.859 I'm really excited to get mine. Try that out. 00:30:26.859 --> 00:30:29.839 The only rooftop tent that... The only rooftop 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.240 tent I'm actually interested in would be a wedge 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:36.119 style. Because, again, durability -wise, they 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:41.440 have the best standing. Yeah. I'm interested, 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.779 too, for you to try mine when I get it. I'm very 00:30:45.779 --> 00:30:47.980 sorry to all the listeners who are listening 00:30:47.980 --> 00:30:51.759 to us talk over each other today. Our internet 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:54.319 connections aren't the best, so there's like 00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.569 a lag, so we keep talking over each other. It's 00:30:58.569 --> 00:31:00.890 gotten even worse as you were talking about it. 00:31:01.529 --> 00:31:11.930 I know. Like I said, I don't hate rooftop tents. 00:31:12.029 --> 00:31:14.309 I just think that for the price, they're not 00:31:14.309 --> 00:31:19.190 necessarily worth it. Sure. And I'll throw my 00:31:19.190 --> 00:31:23.009 reasons out one more time before and just let 00:31:23.009 --> 00:31:27.099 it be. One. The bedding and stuff that would 00:31:27.099 --> 00:31:29.859 typically go into my truck, my bedding, even 00:31:29.859 --> 00:31:34.019 like a couple of other compact necessities can 00:31:34.019 --> 00:31:37.799 all be put in my rooftop tent. So it brings storage 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.779 out of my truck and on top of it to where I wouldn't 00:31:40.779 --> 00:31:44.019 typically have something there. So that's one. 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:47.599 Two, the second one that I'm looking at is aluminum 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.859 top and bottom. So that helps with the durability. 00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:56.240 And it's canvas sided. So you're getting that 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.359 nice heavy canvas that I know that you like, 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.480 Alex, and you're getting that durability from 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:07.559 the aluminum. So that's why I kind of go to that 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.599 before I even try a soft rooftop or anything 00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:12.700 like that first. Yeah, don't try a soft rooftop. 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:18.339 I'm not. Now, for a counterpoint to that is you're 00:32:18.339 --> 00:32:20.579 actually losing storage at the same time that 00:32:20.579 --> 00:32:24.630 you're gaining storage. because you store a lot 00:32:24.630 --> 00:32:27.069 of shit on the rear truck, and a lot of that's 00:32:27.069 --> 00:32:28.990 not going to be able, the rooftop tent won't 00:32:28.990 --> 00:32:32.450 be able to support it. Yeah, so I'm going to, 00:32:32.450 --> 00:32:36.089 my plan is to evolve that a little bit. So a 00:32:36.089 --> 00:32:38.690 lot of the stuff that I have on my roof, I don't 00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:43.509 need to. Like Socket said, I don't need up there. 00:32:43.910 --> 00:32:48.930 It can just go on the floor. My biggest thing 00:32:48.930 --> 00:32:51.150 is I want to add solar panels, which I want to 00:32:51.150 --> 00:32:53.170 put on the rooftop tent. Yeah, you can do that, 00:32:53.230 --> 00:32:56.609 which makes sense. I want to wire those into 00:32:56.609 --> 00:33:01.930 the solar panel on my hood. So it's either I'm 00:33:01.930 --> 00:33:04.190 going to do the solar panel on the hood, which 00:33:04.190 --> 00:33:07.690 then gets the usable space on the hood, and then 00:33:07.690 --> 00:33:10.369 run a Pelican case with the extra tools and stuff 00:33:10.369 --> 00:33:13.009 on top. There is a weight limit, obviously, but 00:33:13.009 --> 00:33:17.579 I'm not going to go past 50, 60 pounds. Honestly, 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:19.519 that'd be the way to do it. Put your solar panel 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:23.480 on the hood and then use above the tent for stool 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:26.380 storage. Because then I could put everything, 00:33:26.500 --> 00:33:28.440 that black pelican case that I bought from you, 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.640 I could put everything pretty much into that 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.299 and just run it right there. Yep. Yeah, then, 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.740 I mean, there's other things with rooftop tents. 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.319 Like, honestly, for me, my bedding is so compact 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.579 and tight that I don't have a storage problem 00:33:42.579 --> 00:33:45.940 with bedding. Because it could fit anywhere. 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.579 It's small. It doesn't take up space. Especially 00:33:49.579 --> 00:33:51.720 summertime. Because summertime, I could get away 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.660 with a blow -up camping pillow and my whoopee. 00:33:54.740 --> 00:34:00.779 And that takes up the size of a keyboard. Yeah. 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:06.559 I mean, I definitely see that point. But we're 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.940 definitely not camping for... We're camping for 00:34:09.940 --> 00:34:14.139 comfort, too. At the same time, you don't camp... 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.079 even if i bring caitlyn you guys sleep uh in 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.480 different types of bedding than we do so like 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:26.139 your your bedding takes up more space just inherently 00:34:26.139 --> 00:34:29.579 so it makes sense i mean have the rooftop tent 00:34:29.579 --> 00:34:33.380 closed yeah i mean we you know we have the comforter 00:34:33.380 --> 00:34:37.760 we have the kids stuff sienna sleeps very very 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.900 she's very cold -blooded so like even like The 00:34:41.900 --> 00:34:44.500 nice, you know, zero -degree bag that I have 00:34:44.500 --> 00:34:47.780 for her, she's still shivering. I bet she would 00:34:47.780 --> 00:34:51.019 do great in a military sleeping bag. Oh, yeah. 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.340 I don't know if it'd be any different. And that's 00:34:54.340 --> 00:34:56.679 not a ding against that. I think she's just, 00:34:56.780 --> 00:35:01.239 if her face is above anything, she's cold. And 00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.079 then the decent heat is just going to be. Your 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.079 zero -degree sleeping bag is rated for, like, 00:35:08.139 --> 00:35:11.849 40 degrees. warmer than what our military bags 00:35:11.849 --> 00:35:14.909 are with the full setup. If my wife, who gets 00:35:14.909 --> 00:35:18.289 cold at 90 degrees, can sleep in one comfortably 00:35:18.289 --> 00:35:21.989 in 20 degrees, I think Sienna might be okay. 00:35:22.530 --> 00:35:24.989 Another thing you might want to check if he needs 00:35:24.989 --> 00:35:27.250 is let the sleeping bag breathe like we discovered. 00:35:28.730 --> 00:35:32.489 Yes, so if you have your zero -degree bag, if 00:35:32.489 --> 00:35:36.099 you keep it rolled up and compact, it actually 00:35:36.099 --> 00:35:38.820 degrades its R -value and makes it significantly 00:35:38.820 --> 00:35:42.420 worse. You're supposed to leave it hanging up. 00:35:44.019 --> 00:35:46.440 Yeah, when we're not using it, we don't keep 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:49.840 it in a compressed sack. We keep it in just a 00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.860 holder bag, which is basically... It'd be like 00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:55.659 loosely rolling it. It'd be just like loosely 00:35:55.659 --> 00:35:58.980 rolling it up. Just the holder bag degrades R 00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:01.260 -value. You're supposed to hang them up and let 00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:04.380 them be completely free -breathing. Oh, yeah, 00:36:04.460 --> 00:36:05.860 that ain't happening. We don't have any place 00:36:05.860 --> 00:36:08.659 to put those damn things. So what I've got is 00:36:08.659 --> 00:36:11.099 I've got a pretty decent -sized Rubbermaid that 00:36:11.099 --> 00:36:13.800 I throw mine in. It's not perfect because hanging 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.219 it would be better, but it's a lot bigger than 00:36:16.219 --> 00:36:20.800 just a holding bag. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm not 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:24.840 too concerned with it. Like I said, the diesel 00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.139 heater is going to come into play sooner rather 00:36:27.139 --> 00:36:29.840 than later before we probably get the rooftop 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:34.599 tent anyway. Just a... Just a wire, or not wire, 00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:39.860 but to put right into my tent just to keep the 00:36:39.860 --> 00:36:44.420 kid warm. Honestly, at least for winter camping, 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.019 since Kaelin won't winter camp with me, those 00:36:47.019 --> 00:36:50.300 little light fighter tents that we got, I don't 00:36:50.300 --> 00:36:51.940 even know that we're going to need diesel heaters. 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.059 Like, it'd be nice for drying gear. I'll give 00:36:54.059 --> 00:36:58.219 it that. Yep. But if we set up that gazebo, we 00:36:58.219 --> 00:37:00.679 could hang the gear in the gazebo with the wood 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.349 stove running. They dry it just as good. Yeah, 00:37:04.389 --> 00:37:06.730 I was about to say, we technically probably should 00:37:06.730 --> 00:37:08.769 have had the cold weather tip for this last weekend 00:37:08.769 --> 00:37:12.949 based off what we had. Yeah, I still wasn't cold. 00:37:13.230 --> 00:37:17.510 Oh, I know. I wasn't either. I would say the 00:37:17.510 --> 00:37:20.110 upside to you guys and how you camp is that you 00:37:20.110 --> 00:37:25.889 camp more as a unit than you do as a singular. 00:37:27.110 --> 00:37:30.170 You know what I mean? Like if you guys go camping. 00:37:31.509 --> 00:37:34.070 Mark carries some of it, you carry some of it, 00:37:34.110 --> 00:37:36.590 and then with the two of you, that makes up all 00:37:36.590 --> 00:37:39.750 of it. And I think that helps quite a bit with 00:37:39.750 --> 00:37:44.250 the comfort. That's kind of what all botches 00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:46.789 trips, that's kind of what I try to do is we 00:37:46.789 --> 00:37:49.710 don't go camping as individuals that are all 00:37:49.710 --> 00:37:51.489 there. I mean, you were with us on botches yearly. 00:37:52.170 --> 00:37:55.309 We kind of just, the whole group that's out there, 00:37:55.369 --> 00:37:57.630 we're all working together. Why don't we split 00:37:57.630 --> 00:38:01.179 up where stuff needs to be? Yeah. No, I mean, 00:38:01.179 --> 00:38:04.699 I'm with you. Um, whereas my camping is more 00:38:04.699 --> 00:38:08.900 individual set up. So that's why, like, I was 00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:11.079 looking at it at first. I was looking at it at 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:15.039 the point. It was like, well, Alex is just, he 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.480 doesn't have this. He doesn't have this. And 00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:19.139 then I was like, oh, okay. Mark's got the other 00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:21.400 half of it. So, yep. Cause that's what I was 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:22.900 kind of looking at. It was like, man, if you 00:38:22.900 --> 00:38:25.719 were to go out and do it solo with your, with 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:30.130 like, if you, your kid, your dog, were to go 00:38:30.130 --> 00:38:33.670 out, your setup would be very different. And 00:38:33.670 --> 00:38:36.289 if you were to do it consistent, right, but I 00:38:36.289 --> 00:38:37.710 mean like if you were to do it consistently, 00:38:37.829 --> 00:38:43.550 then that setup would consistently change because 00:38:43.550 --> 00:38:46.369 of how you need to pack your storage, like do 00:38:46.369 --> 00:38:51.010 your storage. That was actually kind of the birthplace 00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:54.349 of using packouts because I could build out packouts 00:38:54.349 --> 00:38:56.750 for when I'm solo or when Mark's coming with 00:38:56.750 --> 00:38:59.530 me. So I would have the ability to just grab 00:38:59.530 --> 00:39:05.170 what I need for that trip. Right. Yeah. And I 00:39:05.170 --> 00:39:08.630 mean, sure. We buy, we kind of buy double the 00:39:08.630 --> 00:39:11.409 camping gear doing that because I have, I mean, 00:39:11.409 --> 00:39:14.469 I have a stove that is only for when I'm going 00:39:14.469 --> 00:39:17.969 solo. Yep. Right. And then we've got another 00:39:17.969 --> 00:39:21.610 stove that's only for when we go together. Yeah. 00:39:21.690 --> 00:39:23.309 And then when we were together, it was like, 00:39:23.309 --> 00:39:26.900 we use Mark's stove the one day. Did we? Was 00:39:26.900 --> 00:39:29.159 that your stove? Yeah, I think it was. When you 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:32.760 made the fish tacos or the chicken tacos. He 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.000 used your stove for that. Oh, okay. Then at that 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.860 point, we used my stove, I think, all weekend. 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:43.760 We didn't bring our stove because we knew you 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.340 had one. Exactly. That's why I was saying earlier, 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:50.260 I was like, damn, he doesn't have this, he doesn't 00:39:50.260 --> 00:39:52.679 have this. At that point, when we were doing 00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.059 that, I didn't know that that's how you guys 00:39:55.059 --> 00:39:58.360 camped. To me, that didn't make sense, but I 00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.179 didn't realize that you guys camp as a team, 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.760 and I'm not used to that, so that's why it kind 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:06.480 of threw me off for a second. I'm like, damn, 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:08.579 they ain't got nothing. Also helps is that they 00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:12.920 got a lot of beer. Also, the stove we have only 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.880 has one setting for burn. It does not have adjustments. 00:40:16.500 --> 00:40:19.679 Yeah, one setting for burn. We're fixing that. 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.679 Yes, we're fixing that. It's all the way on or 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:29.409 all the way off? Yes. Yeah. But, yeah, wow. You 00:40:29.409 --> 00:40:30.989 know what, guys? We're just going to do two hours 00:40:30.989 --> 00:40:33.530 today. One hour that was our weekend recap and 00:40:33.530 --> 00:40:37.250 one hour that's not because this built up quick. 00:40:37.469 --> 00:40:43.309 It did. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's worth – how 00:40:43.309 --> 00:40:46.530 do I put this? I like camping as a team because 00:40:46.530 --> 00:40:49.050 our vehicles don't have to be weighed down with 00:40:49.050 --> 00:40:52.110 as much stuff. We can spread it out over multiple 00:40:52.110 --> 00:40:54.809 rigs. And if you think about it, when we go out 00:40:54.809 --> 00:40:56.989 as a group, we're eating dinner together anyways. 00:40:57.789 --> 00:41:00.469 I mean, everything we do is pretty much together 00:41:00.469 --> 00:41:04.289 anyways. I feel like the weird odd man out because 00:41:04.289 --> 00:41:08.550 to me it's like when I camp together with a group, 00:41:08.610 --> 00:41:12.590 everybody's got their own shit. And like we convene 00:41:12.590 --> 00:41:15.210 together to have our chats or maybe to share 00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:20.329 cook stuff. But I will say that when we camped 00:41:20.329 --> 00:41:23.269 together, I think that was, was that the first 00:41:23.269 --> 00:41:25.190 time that we all camped together like that? I 00:41:25.190 --> 00:41:27.909 think she was. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. 00:41:28.010 --> 00:41:30.530 And I think that was the first time that I have 00:41:30.530 --> 00:41:34.650 camped like that. And I was thrown off at first 00:41:34.650 --> 00:41:38.690 because I was like, I'm like, fuck it. What the 00:41:38.690 --> 00:41:41.190 hell? Like they ain't got nothing. And like I 00:41:41.190 --> 00:41:42.949 said, I didn't realize at the time that that's 00:41:42.949 --> 00:41:47.329 how you guys playing and camped to me at that 00:41:47.329 --> 00:41:52.989 time. I was like, oh man, very unprepared. And 00:41:52.989 --> 00:41:58.250 then Alex just loved my pooper station. I was 00:41:58.250 --> 00:42:02.449 like, my truck's like the kitchen and the shitter, 00:42:02.550 --> 00:42:07.530 and their trucks are just like the beer rigs. 00:42:08.849 --> 00:42:13.210 And if you think about it, I mean, the reason 00:42:13.210 --> 00:42:16.590 that we do that is we're very broke. Like, very 00:42:16.590 --> 00:42:20.139 poor. And by splitting off... splitting up the 00:42:20.139 --> 00:42:23.340 purchases between the two of us, or I guess three 00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:25.639 because Alan's part of it too, by splitting up 00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:28.119 purchases between the three of us, we all get 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.199 to camp like we're rich men, even though we're 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.340 still poor. Yeah, and that was such a weird thing 00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:38.219 for me. And not to go too deep into this because 00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:41.900 it's not really that deep, but I've always been 00:42:41.900 --> 00:42:44.980 more of a solo person. I've always done my stuff 00:42:44.980 --> 00:42:48.260 more solo. I've never like... Even when I was 00:42:48.260 --> 00:42:50.440 camping before this, I've always done it like 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.719 by myself. I always found a comfort in having 00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:56.739 everything I needed. So I don't know that I'll 00:42:56.739 --> 00:43:01.739 change, but as far as like letting someone else 00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:06.400 handle some of it. But for the sake of like how 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:10.039 you guys do it, I'll bring extra and make sure 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:12.239 that I, you know, talk to you guys about how, 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.679 what I'm bringing, what's, you know, what I can 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.420 be expected to. you know, give things in that 00:43:19.420 --> 00:43:23.239 kind of situation. Before our yearly last year, 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:25.699 I actually made a list of what I'm bringing, 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:28.320 what Mark's bringing, and then let you, and we, 00:43:28.340 --> 00:43:31.800 we do that because again, we're very poor. Right. 00:43:32.539 --> 00:43:34.360 Yeah. And that was something I didn't realize. 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:35.940 I just thought we were all trying to make sure 00:43:35.940 --> 00:43:40.019 we had stuff like that wasn't what I was. So, 00:43:40.019 --> 00:43:42.880 so in that, yeah. So now that I know I'm like, 00:43:42.940 --> 00:43:47.099 okay, it's, it's a different situation. But I 00:43:47.099 --> 00:43:51.840 was very uncomfortable. I was like, Sienna's 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.219 like, they don't have the stuff? I was like, 00:43:54.420 --> 00:43:56.659 I think they do. They're just not getting it 00:43:56.659 --> 00:44:01.079 out. And then I realized after, obviously, after 00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.280 we got our weekend done, I'm like, okay, they 00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.039 have some of the stuff, but this is a team thing. 00:44:07.539 --> 00:44:12.719 Just not used to that. And that's not a dog or 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:16.019 a bad thing at all. it tended to be a very good 00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:18.500 weekend and i thought it was a lot of fun but 00:44:18.500 --> 00:44:19.940 it was just one of those things where i'm so 00:44:19.940 --> 00:44:23.780 used to that relying on yourself and having everything 00:44:23.780 --> 00:44:27.579 you need in your vehicle if you think about like 00:44:27.579 --> 00:44:30.360 a mitten state tourist trip having everything 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.360 in your vehicle or between you and a buddy is 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.760 really important because those are drastically 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:39.039 different from a botches trip yeah um yeah that's 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.739 actually why botches came to be was that We wanted 00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:47.780 a smaller group of people that we could trust 00:44:47.780 --> 00:44:50.880 and rely on, that we could do these team -type 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.719 events without having to have everything individual. 00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:57.980 So that's why we keep botches. We're what, five 00:44:57.980 --> 00:45:00.179 members, six members big? We're not a big group. 00:45:00.860 --> 00:45:04.820 And you'll never see botches get above 10 people 00:45:04.820 --> 00:45:08.119 because the whole point in botches, well, 10 00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:12.019 guys. Sorry, ladies, I don't really count you. 00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:13.960 There's kind of like a core person and then add 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:20.079 -ons. But we're not looking to have like a Mitten 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.039 State Tours -level group where there's thousands 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.159 of people that all go camping together. We're 00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:30.019 looking to have a core group that can actually 00:45:30.019 --> 00:45:32.519 trust each other and do well out in the field 00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:36.420 as a team. Yep. Yeah. See, I'm a guilty double 00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:40.639 -dipper, though. I like the botches -style trips, 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.860 but I also really like the MST -style trips because 00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:45.900 I like being able to do the trails together. 00:45:46.820 --> 00:45:49.199 But then at the end of the day, I like actually 00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:54.280 having the whole... To me, it was like going 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:59.079 back to your own abode. It was like a get -together. 00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.840 Everyone chatted by the fire, and then you kind 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.039 of all went back and did your own thing. And 00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:06.260 I like that because it kept the spirit of... 00:46:06.460 --> 00:46:08.380 you know camping and being out the middle of 00:46:08.380 --> 00:46:12.780 nowhere um so like i'm the type of person that 00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:16.880 like i like doing those more often and doing 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.460 the botches type trips less yeah not not in a 00:46:20.460 --> 00:46:24.179 bad way no but like but when the bot the botches 00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:26.719 are like a family reunion where you only want 00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.840 to be there for like five hours not not in like 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.440 not real time but like but like in a family reunion 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:33.920 you're there and you only want to be there for 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:39.179 like five hours yep But like the MST trips are 00:46:39.179 --> 00:46:40.699 like the weekend getaway where everyone's got 00:46:40.699 --> 00:46:43.840 their own hotels. So you can do small doses of 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:48.079 people for longer periods. And that's why we 00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:51.579 only do, what, one big botches trip a year? Yeah. 00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:56.840 You know, botches yearly, that is that style 00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:59.280 of trip is botches yearly. But when it comes 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.559 to like third gen weekend, third gen weekend's 00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.909 way different. yeah yeah that's more i mean that's 00:47:04.909 --> 00:47:08.170 a public more of a public thing where yeah we're 00:47:08.170 --> 00:47:10.710 gonna have a potluck uh i think it's saturday 00:47:10.710 --> 00:47:12.170 night we're doing a potluck i can't remember 00:47:12.170 --> 00:47:15.630 now friday or saturday night we'll do a potluck 00:47:15.630 --> 00:47:18.329 meal but for the most part you're on your own 00:47:18.329 --> 00:47:21.389 on third gen weekend you get back you can we'll 00:47:21.389 --> 00:47:23.409 have a community fire but you can go off to your 00:47:23.409 --> 00:47:25.949 own space that kind of thing yeah i like that 00:47:25.949 --> 00:47:29.699 i i do because it keeps the spirit of The camping 00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:32.219 and being in the outdoors and being away from 00:47:32.219 --> 00:47:37.059 the hubbub, you know, botches is about bringing 00:47:37.059 --> 00:47:40.699 you together as a community and, and talking 00:47:40.699 --> 00:47:44.900 and being the hubbub, you know, and then these 00:47:44.900 --> 00:47:48.320 other events are more of like, Hey, this is the 00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:51.179 reason that you left is to actually get away 00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:53.199 from all of that. So we're going to give you 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.079 your own, you know, solidarity or give you your 00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:59.420 own space. That's why everybody's got separate 00:47:59.420 --> 00:48:02.099 camp spots and their own little fires or little 00:48:02.099 --> 00:48:05.980 cook stations. So it's like, yeah, when you get 00:48:05.980 --> 00:48:09.699 there, you have your own little Island, but if 00:48:09.699 --> 00:48:13.480 you choose to, you can go and commune. Whereas 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.619 botches, it is one event. So you're there to 00:48:17.619 --> 00:48:19.719 be there with other people. You know what I mean? 00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.699 So, I mean, there's pluses to both of those. 00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:26.940 I could not do a botches style event. One with 00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:29.579 more than, Like what we had out there with you 00:48:29.579 --> 00:48:34.940 guys, us, and Mark and Alan, that was, I could 00:48:34.940 --> 00:48:37.280 do a couple more people, but not much more, and 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:40.000 I could only do it one trip a year. I could not 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.760 do that multiple times a year. Yeah. Right. I 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.579 think it's just having everybody together like 00:48:45.579 --> 00:48:47.420 that, because like me, I was stressed out too. 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:51.059 I was like, I wanted to know because of what 00:48:51.059 --> 00:48:53.719 it was, and it was out of my comfort spot, the 00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:56.639 type of camping. I wanted to know what everyone 00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:58.750 was doing. I wanted to make sure that everyone 00:48:58.750 --> 00:49:02.389 was okay, that everyone was situated, and all 00:49:02.389 --> 00:49:04.469 that extra stress I had to worry about everybody. 00:49:04.889 --> 00:49:07.670 Not that it had to be done, but that's just kind 00:49:07.670 --> 00:49:11.550 of my mom brain, I guess. You know, my parental... 00:49:11.550 --> 00:49:15.050 I've always been, like, the group mother, which 00:49:15.050 --> 00:49:17.090 is why I'm probably the safety officer, too. 00:49:17.909 --> 00:49:20.210 I'm the opposite. I'm usually the group father. 00:49:22.389 --> 00:49:27.489 Ew. So... You better quit this mother -ass shit. 00:49:28.989 --> 00:49:33.829 But no, I like the botches trip. I couldn't do 00:49:33.829 --> 00:49:36.829 it more than one a year. And the other thing 00:49:36.829 --> 00:49:40.250 is, with the botches yearly style events, it 00:49:40.250 --> 00:49:43.170 gives us the ability to, even though we're very 00:49:43.170 --> 00:49:47.210 poor, go out places like Moab or Rubicon, those 00:49:47.210 --> 00:49:49.389 farther distance places, because we can split 00:49:49.389 --> 00:49:55.590 the cost up between three or four people. I mean, 00:49:55.610 --> 00:49:58.769 our first botches yearly, we went as far as splitting 00:49:58.769 --> 00:50:02.070 the cost of fuel at times. Yeah. Like, it was 00:50:02.070 --> 00:50:05.309 fully. Yeah, there was definitely times where 00:50:05.309 --> 00:50:07.469 I don't remember if we had. I don't think we 00:50:07.469 --> 00:50:09.349 ended up having to. But there was times where 00:50:09.349 --> 00:50:12.289 I think, where I was like, Alex, shit, dude, 00:50:12.349 --> 00:50:13.389 I don't know if I'm going to have enough for 00:50:13.389 --> 00:50:15.190 this. And he's like, don't worry about it. And 00:50:15.190 --> 00:50:19.230 that's great as the botches yearly thing. But, 00:50:19.269 --> 00:50:21.329 you know, like, I would never ask another MST 00:50:21.329 --> 00:50:23.789 member. I would never bum them for money or anything. 00:50:23.789 --> 00:50:27.300 Oh, 100%. Not that they wouldn't do it. There's 00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:29.539 plenty of really nice guys that would do it in 00:50:29.539 --> 00:50:33.539 a heartbeat, like Derek Nolan, Derek's dad. In 00:50:33.539 --> 00:50:39.480 a heartbeat, they would. But that's not the point 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.659 of it. The botches are a whole different setup. 00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:48.380 That's where I say the MST, that's a group, whereas 00:50:48.380 --> 00:50:54.250 botches are a club or a team, if you will. Because 00:50:54.250 --> 00:50:56.929 it's a whole different experience when you go 00:50:56.929 --> 00:51:00.130 on those two different types of events. I think 00:51:00.130 --> 00:51:03.809 that's why I like doing both. I like both. That's 00:51:03.809 --> 00:51:08.889 why I do both. Yeah. And I'm already the type 00:51:08.889 --> 00:51:12.329 of person that we like to kind of set up and 00:51:12.329 --> 00:51:17.389 do nightly runs to where we set up for one night 00:51:17.389 --> 00:51:19.309 and then we pick everything up and go to the 00:51:19.309 --> 00:51:22.760 next spot. So MST is really good for that, whereas 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:24.820 botches are really good for the nice, relaxing 00:51:24.820 --> 00:51:27.280 three -day camps where we can go out and come 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.340 back. That's only botches yearly. If you go on 00:51:30.340 --> 00:51:33.360 almost any other botches event, we're not doing 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:36.400 it for third -gen weekend just because there's 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.320 people coming at different times. But almost 00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.760 any other botches event is you camp in one spot, 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:46.860 you move to another the next night. Yeah. And 00:51:46.860 --> 00:51:49.849 that's where, like... When we were talking about 00:51:49.849 --> 00:51:53.630 all the awning and all that, that's where maybe 00:51:53.630 --> 00:51:55.630 something like that would start to get a little 00:51:55.630 --> 00:51:59.690 monotonous. You know what I'm saying? Like having 00:51:59.690 --> 00:52:02.250 to set up everything like that. I think that's 00:52:02.250 --> 00:52:08.030 where having a 270 with sides that could zip 00:52:08.030 --> 00:52:11.969 right up would be interesting to have. To me, 00:52:12.110 --> 00:52:14.650 even if you're setting up every night, something 00:52:14.650 --> 00:52:18.750 more like a gazebo hub is more interesting. An 00:52:18.750 --> 00:52:20.610 awning like the one you have, I would hate to 00:52:20.610 --> 00:52:22.889 set that up every night. Absolutely fucking not. 00:52:23.469 --> 00:52:26.929 The one I have? Yeah. My little shitter awning? 00:52:28.130 --> 00:52:31.349 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The external separate 00:52:31.349 --> 00:52:33.769 one. Oh, yeah. I don't want that. Your 10x10. 00:52:33.769 --> 00:52:36.070 That's a three -day. That's a three -day awning. 00:52:36.090 --> 00:52:39.389 Like that Viver one that we just bought? That's 00:52:39.389 --> 00:52:42.090 one that I would set up and take down every night. 00:52:42.170 --> 00:52:45.550 It takes five minutes maybe to tear it down and 00:52:45.550 --> 00:52:48.920 set it up. And then our Cotton Lightfighter is 00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:52.500 a simple setup as well. Five minutes. Yep. Yep. 00:52:52.539 --> 00:52:57.400 Yep. And if I was, if Kaylin's not big on the 00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:59.940 setup teardown every night, so if I'm doing that 00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:03.760 style event, it's usually just me. So the Lightfighter 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:09.579 is going to be more my style. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:13.500 I tend to, I tend, like, and as I do the setup 00:53:13.500 --> 00:53:16.449 teardown stuff every night, That's where I could 00:53:16.449 --> 00:53:20.110 start to get behind some of the quick setup stuff 00:53:20.110 --> 00:53:23.670 that you'd cost maybe a little bit more. Do I 00:53:23.670 --> 00:53:28.289 have it right now? No. But can I see a future 00:53:28.289 --> 00:53:32.389 to where if I'm doing this every weekend, where 00:53:32.389 --> 00:53:35.969 it might be actually more useful? Because the 00:53:35.969 --> 00:53:37.690 less time you have setting up, the more time 00:53:37.690 --> 00:53:40.989 you have to actually relax. It's kind of where 00:53:40.989 --> 00:53:43.630 I'm at. If I could shave a few minutes off here 00:53:43.630 --> 00:53:46.440 and there. And then having the ease of use to 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:49.320 just fold it up and roll it up and be done. That's 00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:54.920 kind of nice. Even like the packouts, using the 00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:57.980 packouts this last year has kind of changed a 00:53:57.980 --> 00:54:01.059 little how I want to do things. Like I'm building 00:54:01.059 --> 00:54:03.480 a platform to put the packouts on and putting 00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:06.039 a folding table under it so I can pull the folding 00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:08.519 table out and use it like a counter off my truck 00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:14.639 or pull it out and use it as a table. Gavin, 00:54:14.699 --> 00:54:19.340 are you alright? Did you just die? Did you just 00:54:19.340 --> 00:54:22.300 spill your drink on your keyboard? No, I just 00:54:22.300 --> 00:54:25.059 pulled my whole keyboard drawer off of my desk. 00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:33.599 Oh my god. Oh jeez. Jesus Christ. So, bear with 00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:35.860 me while I make installing noises in the dark. 00:54:37.340 --> 00:54:46.219 And like god, let there be light. Sorry, everybody. 00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:48.280 I was pulling that out, not knowing how much 00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:58.400 I had to go there. That was scary. Well, while 00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:01.940 Gavin does that. But, yeah, so, like, to me, 00:55:02.099 --> 00:55:05.739 I still am not the biggest fan of having things 00:55:05.739 --> 00:55:08.840 on my truck. Okay, let me rephrase that. I like 00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:12.099 dual -purpose things. If I'm going to have a 00:55:12.099 --> 00:55:14.340 counter on my truck, it can't only be mounted 00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:16.539 on my truck. I want to be able to take it off 00:55:16.539 --> 00:55:18.500 and use it somewhere else. Yeah, you don't want 00:55:18.500 --> 00:55:22.239 it permanently fixed. I don't want to be locked 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.420 to the truck. Because maybe for whatever reason, 00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:28.179 I don't want to take my truck to a site. Right. 00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.500 I want to live out of my truck. So I want everything 00:55:32.500 --> 00:55:36.159 permanently fixed with the ability to take it 00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:39.820 apart. Exactly. I want the ability to live out 00:55:39.820 --> 00:55:42.900 of my truck. but also be able to just take it 00:55:42.900 --> 00:55:46.239 apart quickly and use it at the campsite separate. 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:49.199 Yeah. Like the 270 awning I want to get, that's 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.960 like a 270 extended, which the way that my door 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.960 swings out, it would cover up the back area where 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:59.679 I would cook. So I want something like that that 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.679 will be able to do the porch area, you know, 00:56:02.699 --> 00:56:04.739 where we might be sitting in the rain, and then 00:56:04.739 --> 00:56:08.360 also cover the rain area where I'm cooking and 00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:12.099 be comfortable. Vehicle awnings in the rain is 00:56:12.099 --> 00:56:15.519 garbage. External awnings are really the best 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:18.000 way to go in the rain. I don't know, man. I mean, 00:56:18.019 --> 00:56:20.739 I get the sideways rain stuff, but I've been 00:56:20.739 --> 00:56:23.320 under some awnings in the rain. So what happens 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.440 is, in all of them, they pool unless you slope 00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:29.480 it way down, and then you're stuck sitting right 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.340 against the back of the truck. Yep. And it makes 00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:36.800 it a very unpleasant experience. Yeah, I don't 00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.019 know. I guess I've had a different experience. 00:56:39.260 --> 00:56:43.039 We had this experience with Ed and his forerunner 00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:46.619 with his awning. It was raining that last night. 00:56:46.699 --> 00:56:50.900 Yeah, last night at Drummond. And if it's a light 00:56:50.900 --> 00:56:54.760 rain, awnings are fine. But if it's a heavy torrential 00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.900 downpour, that's when you want an external awning. 00:56:59.019 --> 00:57:03.820 Yeah. If you want to continue to be in the community 00:57:03.820 --> 00:57:05.539 setting, otherwise just go to your tent and close 00:57:05.539 --> 00:57:07.730 up the awning and you're good to go. for sure 00:57:07.730 --> 00:57:11.769 i don't know i've uh the the couple times i mean 00:57:11.769 --> 00:57:14.769 i can't say that i've used it in torrential downpours 00:57:14.769 --> 00:57:18.210 but a couple times i have used those side awnings 00:57:18.210 --> 00:57:21.210 they really haven't been that bad i mean obviously 00:57:21.210 --> 00:57:24.110 you have like when the rains are pushing and 00:57:24.110 --> 00:57:27.849 you have it coming in sideways but i mean typically 00:57:27.849 --> 00:57:31.070 with a regular like my 10 by 10 awning my external 00:57:31.070 --> 00:57:36.130 we had that out when it rained um during zach 00:57:36.130 --> 00:57:40.590 nolan and i's trip yeah and yeah there was about 00:57:40.590 --> 00:57:45.250 one foot of space to where now that that wasn't 00:57:45.250 --> 00:57:49.889 wet the secret with the uh external awnings is 00:57:49.889 --> 00:57:52.969 they have to have their own sides it can't just 00:57:52.969 --> 00:57:59.289 be just a roof right and i mean i guess the problem 00:57:59.289 --> 00:58:02.570 with a truck awning i guess if you had a tall 00:58:02.570 --> 00:58:05.969 enough truck it wouldn't be a problem but for 00:58:05.969 --> 00:58:08.530 the average overland build, you're not looking 00:58:08.530 --> 00:58:11.449 at a 5 -inch lift or 6 -inch lift. You're looking 00:58:11.449 --> 00:58:13.849 at a 3 -inch lift, and that's going to make it 00:58:13.849 --> 00:58:15.610 so that by the time you've sloped that awning 00:58:15.610 --> 00:58:17.969 enough that there's not water pooling, you've 00:58:17.969 --> 00:58:21.650 got almost no space underneath it. Yeah, I'd 00:58:21.650 --> 00:58:24.210 be interested to see what awning Ed had, and 00:58:24.210 --> 00:58:27.449 I know Ed's got a good one. Yeah, the awning's 00:58:27.449 --> 00:58:31.989 great. I'm just interested. One awning for me 00:58:31.989 --> 00:58:36.679 is shade. This sounds stupid, but, like, the 00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:41.099 nicest reason that I could see the awning, like, 00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.940 being really nice is, like, when we're sitting 00:58:43.940 --> 00:58:46.519 in an open area, like, on Lake Superior, and 00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:50.880 it's just 90, and the sun is just killing us. 00:58:50.940 --> 00:58:54.480 Oh, yeah. Like, that's where, like, okay, that'd 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:56.340 be nice. Or, like, rigs and coffee, like, when 00:58:56.340 --> 00:58:58.719 there's no cover, and you're just sweating your 00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.860 dick off for no reason. So, like, that awning 00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:07.269 for sure there. But, like, I still think there's 00:59:07.269 --> 00:59:10.570 definitely, like, there's a rain purpose. I think 00:59:10.570 --> 00:59:12.809 that there's just more of a science to sloping 00:59:12.809 --> 00:59:15.969 it than if you were to just have your own external 00:59:15.969 --> 00:59:17.530 awning with walls. You know what I mean? Like, 00:59:17.530 --> 00:59:21.170 you have to do a little more, maybe, you know, 00:59:21.170 --> 00:59:24.110 tying it down and making sure your angles are 00:59:24.110 --> 00:59:25.889 right. And, yeah, maybe it falls a little low, 00:59:25.989 --> 00:59:28.829 but if you're all sitting in chairs, you know, 00:59:28.829 --> 00:59:29.130 I don't see much of an issue with that. Well, 00:59:29.190 --> 00:59:31.289 now you're all locked against the truck and can't 00:59:31.289 --> 00:59:35.409 really play cards. That's fine with me. Yeah, 00:59:35.409 --> 00:59:37.329 but I'm not thinking big groups either, though, 00:59:37.389 --> 00:59:41.769 bud. I'm thinking me, my wife, and my son. I'm 00:59:41.769 --> 00:59:45.050 thinking three or four people. Yeah, they could 00:59:45.050 --> 00:59:48.030 get their own awning. They could find their own, 00:59:48.070 --> 00:59:51.190 man. I think I would butt my awning up against 00:59:51.190 --> 00:59:54.710 your external awning, and then we could use it 00:59:54.710 --> 01:00:01.920 as just a big center, big hub. This is the longest 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:09.539 half hour. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's our first 01:00:09.539 --> 01:00:12.139 time back in after being sick. It's like Gavin 01:00:12.139 --> 01:00:14.599 missed a week. So it's like ketchup. We really 01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:16.659 haven't talked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know you 01:00:16.659 --> 01:00:20.880 miss me. So. All right. We will catch you guys 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:22.519 later. Later. See you.