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welcome to botches off -road join us as we talk

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about everything from gear reviews to trail stories

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tent camping to rock landing and all things to

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do with the outdoors today we've got one of the

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not normally on the podcast botches we've got

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shane he drives one man we have a lot of third

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gens and botches yeah how did that even happen

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you converted me so He drives probably the nicest

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third gen of the group in terms of shape. I would

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say mine is probably more built than Shane's,

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but Shane's definitely is in much, much better

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shape. Yeah. She's clean, but I don't keep it

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that way. He likes them a little dirty. So, yeah,

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so we had a fun topic set up that kind of required

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Gavin. So I guess we'll put that one off a little

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bit, but we can at least hear a little bit about

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Shane, a little bit about Shane's Forerunner,

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a little bit about Land Rovers, and Shane's very

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sketchy off -road trailer. Oh, yeah. If you want

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to go down the rabbit hole of weird regs, I've

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had all of them, man. Okay, now I got to hear

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the rabbit hole. What is the weirdest rig you've

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had? A lifted Jetta sport wagon. Okay, what year?

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2013. So the Mark VI with the five -cylinder.

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I had it on two inches of lift, all -terrain

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tires, rally setup. It was a fun one. Those things

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aren't all -wheel drive. They're not all -wheel

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drive, right? No, it was not the all -truck.

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They didn't bring the all -wheel drive option

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until the Mark 7s. Yeah, because I sold and had

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a 2013 Sportwagon TDI. It wasn't mine. It just

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lived at my house for three months until it sold.

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Yep. They're very nice little cars, man. I was

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happy with it. I went from, first got into, I'll

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say air quotes here for the listeners, wheeling

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in a clapped out second gen Forester. oversized

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all trains on and did the Subaru trash thing

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of just drifted around, break something every

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single time I took it out and tell myself it

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was the best thing that ever happened to trails.

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So I had a, I had a buddy, uh, down in Arizona.

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He quote unquote, like to go rally driving in

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his 2003 Mitsubishi Lancer. Not Evo. Lancer.

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And that's what I envision when I think of you

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with your Subaru. Oh, I'll have to send it in

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the group chat for chapter art or something.

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Just all my terrible rigs. But yeah, she was

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exactly what you think of when you think of a

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trashy... off -road wannabe rally Subaru. Did

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you have the big lights on the grill? Not on

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the grill. On the bumper. Definitely fast -mounted

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some trail lights. Head -ditch lights. Roof rack

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with ammo cans bolted on. I get a kick out of

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people that do the great big red horns behind

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the grill. Like, there's... There's no point

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in them things. But they look good. They look

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so good. Yeah, I... I will say I had those on

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my WRX swapped out back, though. Hell yes. You

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gotta be careful, because you see, I have a ricer

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side, and it's starting to sneak out. From ricer

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to Euro trash to Euro hillbilly. Wait, what was

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the Euro hillbilly? Oh, the Land Rover. The disco.

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Yeah, you're... I will say that I still think

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of you as the disco guy. Yeah, oh yeah. So...

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That was our first trip with him, so... See,

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our first... I think our first trip with you

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was our first Minton State Tourist Trip. It was.

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Tinkup. Yeah, we did the night run out at...

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Tinkup. Not Skitter. Tinkup. That was Tinkup,

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yeah. Yeah, Tinkup. I wanted to call it Yankee

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Hills or Yankee Springs, and I knew that was

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not Yankee. But yeah. No, at least Tinkup's worth

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going to. Tinkup. If it's your very first trail,

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tin cup is not bad. Yeah. Tin cup in the winter

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can be a lot of fun. It can be. We've done it

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in the winter a couple of times, and I'd say

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that in the winter it's fun. Early spring, before

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it gets all rutted up, it's really fun. Yeah.

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But it's not challenging at all. No. It's just

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slightly loose sand, and it's a big open trail.

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Mm -hmm. It's nothing that I would travel long

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distance to do. No. No, but wide open, it worked

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well with the Disco since it had a clearance

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of like nine feet. Yeah. I think I could have

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probably done Tink Cup in my crew cab long bed

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F -350. Yeah, probably. I could have probably

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done it in the Ram. It's pretty open. Yeah. That

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probably would have been fun in my crew cab long

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bed F -350. I could probably have done the whole

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trail at like 60. Yeah. Just vomit. Which is

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why Derek likes it. Yes. Probably why. Except

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Derek wouldn't have been able to keep up with

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my power stroke. But I would have been throwing

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the body off the frame. Yes, you would have.

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It would have been so sketchy. Oh, is that my

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board falling out from underneath us? Was that

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my two by four that holds the cab up? That's

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not good. Oh, that poor truck. I did. I was driving

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down Apple like a month ago and it passed me

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going the other direction. I was like, how the

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fuck is that thing still on the road? Like, they

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hadn't done anything. It still had the same fenders,

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the same hood, the hood stack. I mean, all of

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it was still there. Same cab. That's the whole

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reason I sold it is I couldn't find a cab. Yeah.

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Yeah. Sketchy rigs, man. Sketchy rigs are the

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best. Yeah. I've had a lot of fun with my sketchy

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rigs, and now I don't know what to do being in

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a nice one. We just have to make it sketchy.

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I'm working on it. So, let's see. I haven't seen

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you in a hot minute, dude. What fun mods do you

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have lined up for the Forerunner? Really, the

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big one right now, after... poker run was just

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I desperately need a full size spare yeah are

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you watching a deep eating and saying like I

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don't have one of those I would be shit out of

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luck two hours from home so next on the mod list

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are pretty boring, would be full -size spare,

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then winch, and working on a comm setup. Oh,

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yeah. Yeah, definitely need to get that comm

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setup, because you using handhelds kind of sucks.

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Yeah. It's a pain, especially when I'm bouncing

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around with a six - and a three -year -old. Oh,

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yeah, they just had birthdays, didn't they? Joseph's

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is coming up next month, and yeah, my William

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turned three back in October, and I'm almost

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done with having to pack diaper bags for off

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-roading, which I'm stoked about. I wish that

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Jackson would just learn that the toilet is not

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a scary place. The kid is three. He can quit

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going to the bathroom in his diaper. I mean,

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the go -to move with Joseph was going off -roading

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and telling him, hey, you can just go on a treat.

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And now the problem is, playing around in the

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backyard today, he's like, it's too warm to pee

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inside. I mean... All right, bud, I did this

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to myself. Just move out somewhere where that's

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not a problem. Like, kids can just drop their

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pants here and it's fine. I drop my pants here

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and pee. Yeah, good chance my neighbor was doing

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the same thing on the other side of the fence.

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Yeah, those are my upcoming mods for the Forerunner.

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And then my loving Ghetto trailer that I picked

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up for $300. I love your ghetto trailer. I'm

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not going to lie. For $300 and not being a truck

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bed trailer, it gets the job done. It's just

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an old steel tub, a 4x8 utility trailer. Tires

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were dry rotted to hell when I got it. I so picked

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up a set of takeoffs from a guy who was parting

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out a TJ. So those dry rotted tires, are those

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the ones that ended up at my house? They are.

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I should get those back to you so I don't have

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to look at them anymore. I will throw them in

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the back of the ghetto trailer and take them

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straight to Lucky's when I go to. Pull a spare

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for mine. Yeah, I've ended up with so... Muted

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out. Sorry about that. I had a cough sneak up

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on me. I have ended up with so many freaking

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tires, dude. Like, we were cleaning the shed,

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getting ready for summer wrenching, and... What

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did I end up with? So I've got a full set of

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mud terrains, or 35 mud terrains. I've got a

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full set of stock third -gen 16s. I've got a...

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I've got my last Tacoma stock wheels, too. A

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set of those. Do I? Yeah, I think so. I don't

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think we got rid of those yet. I wonder where

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those are. It was one of the stacks that was

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in front of the shed for a while. You did get

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rid of them. You put them on the old Tacoma when

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you took your wheels off. Oh, yeah. No, you're

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right. I forgot. I forgot. Yeah, you're right.

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And then, yeah, in the shed, I've got an entire

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set of quad 442 wheels and tires that are brand

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new but dry rotted. Mm -hmm. But I can't, and

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I'd like to get rid of stuff, but like the 442

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wheels, I can't get rid of those. They're 14s.

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You can't find them anywhere. No. Yeah, so I,

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but we got to do something because I'm drowning

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in tires. And I've got so many rotted out spares.

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How did I end up with so many rotted out spares?

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Because we worked on vehicles that had rotted

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out spares underneath. Yeah, these are bad. Well,

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you needed trailer tires. I had two rotted -out

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trailer tires. Yeah, I got those. You got two

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rotted -out trailer tires. Yeah, that was quite

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the experience, having two tires blow on the...

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What expressway were we on? 131. Was it 131?

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Yep. That was after 3rd Gen Weekend. Yep. Which,

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are you excited? If I can make it, yeah. Dude,

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dude, we planned it for that weekend for you.

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I know, I'm the worst. The Navy has ruined any

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chance of me being fun. So, why? You got stuff

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coming up that might be that weekend now? Possibly,

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yeah. do what I did when I was in the reserves

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and tell them to get back. It's, it was really

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easy when I wasn't in charge of the unit. Yeah.

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Oh, you're at, you're actually like important

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now. Yeah. I'm, I am the staff MCO for the unit.

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So see, that's where you fucked up very much.

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So yeah, still not a lot of pay and an obscene

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amount of responsibility. You either die a hero,

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E4 Mafia, or you live to be the villain. And

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you have lived to be the villain. Yeah. I will

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say you are the most E4 NCO I've ever met in

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my life. Oh, yeah. Stick to my roots. Yeah, I...

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I don't know, man. I had this one NCO when I

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was in the reserves. This dude was the most E4

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dude. I can't even say E4 dude. He tried to be

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a high -speed E5, but he'd only been in the Army

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for three years, got fast -tracked to E5, and

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then had no idea how the Army worked. He joined

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the Army after I got out of active duty. That's

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how fresh this dude is. He tried to talk down

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to me like he was better than me, and I was like,

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Oh, dude, I went off on him one day. I was just

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over it. It just... That's that crap, man. If

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you got a specialist who's been in the Army longer

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than you, you better show a little bit of respect.

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Especially if that E4 was active duty before

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they came to your unit, and you're just a fresh

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E5 that was never active duty. Shout out my buddy

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Lance Corporal Retired. But yeah, I check all

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the boxes for your dirt bag E4. Got a jacked

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up 4Runner. I've got a Mustang. It's a six cylinder.

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And my wife and I got married like basically

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once I met her. Hell yeah. I mean, I can't...

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Okay, I knew my wife for a while, because we

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dated in high school. But I got out of the army,

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and like four months later, we were married.

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After getting back together, when I got out of

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the army. Yeah, I was fresh boot, and just like

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three months in, I'm like, oh, it's time to buy

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a ring. I was engaged right out of AIT to a girl

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from Washington. She was in AIT with me. We met

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in AIT and we got engaged. Dumbest decision ever,

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dude. That relationship was doomed to fail. I'm

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glad we didn't get married before I left for

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Korea. But the BAH. Dude, listen. I'll tell a

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little bit of the story because there's no way

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in hell this girl's listening. But... So, I was...

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It was 4th of July, which 4th of July for us

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comes up... In Korea, it came up a day before

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4th of July in the States. So, we were... For

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us, it was like midday. We were at an amusement

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park and she'd been blowing up my phone. She

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was at some fireworks show in... I want to say

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Seattle. And... I was like, hey, I'm getting

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on a roller coaster. I won't be able to respond

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for like five minutes. By the time that I'd gotten

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off the roller coaster, I had like 18 missed

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calls, a hundred and some texts. She'd broken

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up with me like 20 times and gotten back together

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with me the same amount of times. And my dumb

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ass didn't see this as a sign and just stayed

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with her for another four months. Hey, you might

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beat me on the boot scale. Dude, I was boot as

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fuck. Then, when I got out of Korea and went

00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:23.380
to Fort Huachuca, Arizona, I drove down in my

00:19:23.380 --> 00:19:26.640
four -cylinder TJ and pretty much immediately

00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:32.859
bought a Cobra. An old Cobra. At least, okay.

00:19:33.339 --> 00:19:35.859
So I'll say that my Mustang wasn't as boot as

00:19:35.859 --> 00:19:40.279
most Mustangs because I only had a 3 % APR instead

00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:46.900
of a 30 % APR. And my Mustang wasn't brand new.

00:19:46.940 --> 00:19:50.119
I only paid $10 ,000 for it. And I sold it for

00:19:50.119 --> 00:20:00.299
$35 ,000. I do dodge on the new Mustang and APR.

00:20:00.339 --> 00:20:05.329
Mine's a 66. The six -cylinder is somewhat justified.

00:20:06.630 --> 00:20:12.690
Can we at least V8 swap that thing? It was on

00:20:12.690 --> 00:20:16.210
the to -do list at one point. Can we add it to

00:20:16.210 --> 00:20:19.410
the to -do list again? After I get it running

00:20:19.410 --> 00:20:30.750
again. Can we 4 .7 liter Toyota V8 swap it? Okay,

00:20:30.829 --> 00:20:35.230
can we do a... I'm all for the weird engine swaps,

00:20:35.250 --> 00:20:39.309
but there's some things that are just sacrilege.

00:20:39.849 --> 00:20:44.390
What engine was it that they put in the Mustang

00:20:44.390 --> 00:20:52.789
from Fast 3? 2JZ. Was it a 2J? I feel like it

00:20:52.789 --> 00:20:55.609
was Nissan, though, wasn't it? It was a Nissan,

00:20:55.730 --> 00:20:59.130
I thought. I thought it was an RB of some kind.

00:21:00.970 --> 00:21:05.670
I don't know. That was like 20 Fast and Furiouses

00:21:05.670 --> 00:21:09.690
ago. Yeah, but it was the best of them. Yeah,

00:21:09.730 --> 00:21:15.309
it was an RB26. I wonder if they actually made

00:21:15.309 --> 00:21:24.269
that car. Hold up. All of those cars were powered

00:21:24.269 --> 00:21:32.750
by a 403 cubic inch V8. Those engine sounds,

00:21:32.890 --> 00:21:41.029
all of them were dubbed over. Dude, I don't know.

00:21:41.109 --> 00:21:46.210
I think your Mustang needs to get an RB or a

00:21:46.210 --> 00:21:49.829
Toyota. I think you just have... A 2J would be

00:21:49.829 --> 00:21:57.769
cool, dude. Okay, fine. A 2J would rip butt.

00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.420
Right now it's on the original 200 cubic inch

00:22:02.420 --> 00:22:14.220
i6. What if we Barra swapped it? Because then

00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:18.019
it's at least sticking to the Ford thing. It's

00:22:18.019 --> 00:22:21.940
just way freaking cooler. At my last company

00:22:21.940 --> 00:22:25.240
I had a buddy that was trying to get me to drop

00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:29.079
the engine from his Fox body. into it because

00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:33.460
he had a twin turbocharged five oh that would

00:22:33.460 --> 00:22:35.720
have been decided to go the supercharger route

00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:42.380
like and then i had kips and said like oh i don't

00:22:42.380 --> 00:22:45.680
need a screaming little death trap yeah okay

00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:48.460
but like your kids are three and six they want

00:22:48.460 --> 00:22:58.210
their dad to have a cool car yeah And that's

00:22:58.210 --> 00:23:06.230
when I got the rover. Hey, honey, I'm getting

00:23:06.230 --> 00:23:11.230
a Land Rover. And then come home in my jacked

00:23:11.230 --> 00:23:20.609
up shoebox of a disco. Yeah, I told my wife,

00:23:20.690 --> 00:23:25.390
yeah, I'm going to go get this for a show. I'm

00:23:25.390 --> 00:23:27.569
going to go to this 90s Ford Taurus show out

00:23:27.569 --> 00:23:30.490
in Chicago. It'll be great. And I came home in

00:23:30.490 --> 00:23:38.109
a rotted out third gen 4Runner. Me and my friend

00:23:38.109 --> 00:23:40.130
Cody, when we went on that trip, we joked that

00:23:40.130 --> 00:23:42.150
we were the cavemen leaving the cave to come

00:23:42.150 --> 00:23:45.670
home with the... We were going hunting. Yeah.

00:23:48.710 --> 00:23:50.930
Our hunting trip went well. We came home with

00:23:50.930 --> 00:23:58.349
a piece of junk. I don't know. I think the 4Runner's

00:23:58.349 --> 00:24:02.410
treated me well. We've done a lot of patching

00:24:02.410 --> 00:24:05.130
and a lot of repairs, but at the end of the day,

00:24:05.250 --> 00:24:09.049
it's been a pretty good performer for the most

00:24:09.049 --> 00:24:13.150
part. I've been happy in the 4Runner because

00:24:13.150 --> 00:24:16.250
I've done significantly less repairs than I did

00:24:16.250 --> 00:24:22.369
in the Disco. But you also never take your 4Runner

00:24:22.369 --> 00:24:27.039
out. We never see you. What the hell, dude? Hey,

00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.519
I'll give you my drill weekend. Oh, I know. I

00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:37.539
know. Well, you just got to tell them ahead of

00:24:37.539 --> 00:24:40.099
time that someone who's just below you needs

00:24:40.099 --> 00:24:48.839
to take over for April 25, 26, and 27. Okay,

00:24:48.940 --> 00:24:54.400
at least 26 and 27. You can go on Friday. Yeah.

00:24:56.930 --> 00:25:02.250
As the CEO for Botches Off -Road, I will write

00:25:02.250 --> 00:25:07.170
a... Is that what they're called in the Navy?

00:25:07.250 --> 00:25:09.910
I don't even know what you guys call stuff. Yeah,

00:25:09.910 --> 00:25:15.190
shit. I'll get you some documentation saying

00:25:15.190 --> 00:25:17.789
that your release to the company of Botches Off

00:25:17.789 --> 00:25:21.589
-Road will make you wear our unit patch for those

00:25:21.589 --> 00:25:24.769
three days, and I'll make sure to send pictures

00:25:24.769 --> 00:25:27.920
to your... to prove that you are actually doing

00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:34.359
your job. Yeah. And your job is community outreach

00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:41.140
for third -gen forerunners. Yep. Yeah. I'll write

00:25:41.140 --> 00:25:49.960
them a memo. Oh, don't tempt me. I'll write a

00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:53.759
citation for it. Do it, dude. Do it. That'd be

00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:57.579
so funny. Yeah, and I'll make sure that you get...

00:25:57.579 --> 00:26:01.680
Do you guys have COAs? Yeah. Okay. I'll make

00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.339
sure you get either a COA or an ARCOM. I'll have

00:26:04.339 --> 00:26:06.940
to send it up the channels, though. Though you

00:26:06.940 --> 00:26:09.980
are an NCO, so there's a better chance of you

00:26:09.980 --> 00:26:14.640
getting an ARCOM than a COA. Ah, enamel stick.

00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:25.200
Purple heart. Looking at how our weekends go.

00:26:25.700 --> 00:26:28.700
Yeah, based off of a first third gen weekend,

00:26:29.019 --> 00:26:35.220
possibly. I think there will be a lot less of

00:26:35.220 --> 00:26:41.099
that this year. I think we're a little bit better

00:26:41.099 --> 00:26:44.779
set up than we were last year. And your alternator

00:26:44.779 --> 00:26:51.579
isn't questionable years old anymore. Yeah. Now

00:26:51.579 --> 00:26:53.980
that it's getting warm, I'm going to go to a

00:26:53.980 --> 00:26:57.339
pick and pull and just grab a handful of spares.

00:27:00.819 --> 00:27:04.339
We were just talking before we started recording

00:27:04.339 --> 00:27:08.039
about CV axles. I was like, Mark, too bad you

00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.059
can't just share. I've got like five of them

00:27:10.059 --> 00:27:16.440
now. Aren't our boxes Navy boxes or were they

00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:19.380
Air Force? I can't even remember. I don't remember.

00:27:20.490 --> 00:27:23.529
I'm really, I've got a whole, I've got a whole

00:27:23.529 --> 00:27:26.150
military crate full of CV axles right now. Like

00:27:26.150 --> 00:27:29.130
there's so many of them. I've also got one filled

00:27:29.130 --> 00:27:31.890
to the top with a fourth or third gen forerunner

00:27:31.890 --> 00:27:34.569
knuckles. So you can really see where my priorities

00:27:34.569 --> 00:27:41.609
lie. However, I cannot find the knuckle that

00:27:41.609 --> 00:27:43.789
I broke. I'm wondering if it accidentally got

00:27:43.789 --> 00:27:49.890
scrapped. So there goes our trophy. Yeah, we'll

00:27:49.890 --> 00:27:53.970
have to start a new one. We'll just swap it out

00:27:53.970 --> 00:28:00.750
for a bent Tacoma knuckle. No, no, no. That's

00:28:00.750 --> 00:28:08.630
my own trophy for dumb shit. Yeah, third gen

00:28:08.630 --> 00:28:10.769
4Runner weekend, that'll be fun, man. I'm hoping

00:28:10.769 --> 00:28:15.569
that this year more than just us show up. Yeah.

00:28:15.630 --> 00:28:20.670
We definitely need to... share it on a couple

00:28:20.670 --> 00:28:26.269
different pages than just ours yeah i so i shared

00:28:26.269 --> 00:28:29.309
it to third gen forerunner enthusiast right and

00:28:29.309 --> 00:28:32.230
this this dork i'm not gonna make fun of him

00:28:32.230 --> 00:28:35.650
this dude comments right so it's third gen forerunner

00:28:35.650 --> 00:28:39.069
enthusiast the dude comments and says is this

00:28:39.069 --> 00:28:42.430
oh and the the group the name for the event is

00:28:42.430 --> 00:28:46.119
third gen forerunner camping weekend So he messages

00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:49.319
me or he comments, is this just for third gen

00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:58.839
forerunners? Like, no, I just posted it in a

00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:00.740
third gen forerunner group and named it third

00:29:00.740 --> 00:29:02.960
gen forerunner because it sounded fun. Yeah.

00:29:05.859 --> 00:29:11.759
It's for TJs. Yeah. See, would TJs be considered

00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:13.980
third gen, though? I guess JK would be more third

00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:20.059
gen than TJ. If CJ is first gen... Well, I guess

00:29:20.059 --> 00:29:23.259
MJs exist, so TJ would be third gen. Because

00:29:23.259 --> 00:29:28.460
you've got MJ, CJ, then TJ. Oh, YJ. Damn it.

00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:34.019
There's a YJ. So YJs would be third gen. So,

00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:37.460
in a couple third gen weekends, when we have...

00:29:38.349 --> 00:29:42.549
the botches chimera build with us, which is a

00:29:42.549 --> 00:29:47.650
third gen forerunner frame with a body. It'll

00:29:47.650 --> 00:29:50.789
literally, it'll literally be a third gen weekend

00:29:50.789 --> 00:29:59.230
vehicle. Beautiful. All right. So other than

00:29:59.230 --> 00:30:03.710
your sketchy trailer that you can do anything

00:30:03.710 --> 00:30:06.650
to your sketchy trailer. Yeah, it's got a rack

00:30:06.650 --> 00:30:13.490
on top for storage. They fold up a cover lid.

00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:20.549
I don't want to do anything else to it, because

00:30:20.549 --> 00:30:22.470
right now it's a piece of junk, and if it breaks,

00:30:22.609 --> 00:30:26.509
it breaks, and I don't care. So where are we

00:30:26.509 --> 00:30:29.190
slapping the rooftop tent? On the 4Runner or

00:30:29.190 --> 00:30:32.940
on the trailer? I'm getting a rooftop tent. Oh

00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:38.339
my god. Camp on the ground. Are we all kind of

00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:43.240
anti -rooftop tents? I think so. Alright, so,

00:30:43.339 --> 00:30:46.059
what is your reasoning for not getting a rooftop

00:30:46.059 --> 00:30:53.559
tent? Disability. You think I want to climb into

00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:57.460
something ten feet off the ground to sleep? You

00:30:57.460 --> 00:31:00.559
know, that is one of my arguments against them

00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.980
as well. It sounds like my knees would be killing

00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:10.799
me after the first couple of nights. Also, winter

00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.559
camping in a rooftop tent just doesn't sound

00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.720
all that great. The snow is a really good insulator,

00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.819
so why would I want to get rid of that and replace

00:31:19.819 --> 00:31:25.500
it with air rushing underneath my tent? Regardless

00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:29.279
if you've got a foam cushiony mattress or not.

00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.380
it's inherently going to be colder in that tent

00:31:32.380 --> 00:31:35.180
than a ground tent. Especially if I can just

00:31:35.180 --> 00:31:44.440
run a wood stove in a ground tent. Yeah. Then,

00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:47.839
obviously, cost is a big factor in why I'm not

00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.200
too interested in them. Because why do I want

00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:54.640
to spend $4 ,000 on a tent that's smaller than

00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:59.920
my $100 tent from Walmart? Yeah. Yeah, because

00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:02.900
I was looking at a surplus store, and they had,

00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.720
like, a... I'm trying to remember what the...

00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:08.740
It was a giant military tent. You could put a

00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:10.359
hot... It was pretty much a hot tent. You could

00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:11.660
put a stove in it, and they only want, like,

00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.920
a thousand -something based off conditions. That's

00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:16.619
what I'm saying, man. Like, you can get even...

00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:18.539
Yeah, military tents, you can get those big enough

00:32:18.539 --> 00:32:22.000
to sleep 20 to 30 guys for less than one rooftop

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.960
tent. I want to say it was, like, a 12 by 12.

00:32:26.220 --> 00:32:28.539
Like, that's a good -sized tent, man. Mm -hmm.

00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:35.839
Yeah, I... Does the Navy even do field exercises,

00:32:35.900 --> 00:32:39.700
or are your field exercises on a ship? Hey, like,

00:32:39.819 --> 00:32:44.039
I'm Blue Side Navy, so I don't do field exercises

00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.240
unless we're doing joint task training. But,

00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:52.359
like, Seabees, Corpsmen, any of your Greenside

00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:57.099
or Gator Navy, they do. Plenty of field exercises.

00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.500
I have never heard this term, blue side or green

00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:06.299
side. Hey, well, I'm blue. I got it figured out.

00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.519
Right, right. I got it figured out, but I didn't

00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.920
understand that you had Navy personnel that were

00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:16.579
basically Marines. Yeah, like we have construction

00:33:16.579 --> 00:33:21.000
battalions or all of the Marine Corps medical

00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:28.839
is Navy. Why do the Marines even exist? I've

00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.539
been trying to... So, like, all Marines, I'm

00:33:31.539 --> 00:33:33.940
sorry. I'm going to shit on you a little bit.

00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.740
Why do the Marines exist? I mean, think about

00:33:36.740 --> 00:33:39.680
it. You've got the Navy that does water. The

00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.420
Navy has people that go on ships that do pretty

00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:45.480
much the same job a Marine would. But then if

00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.740
they're on the ground, they do pretty much the

00:33:47.740 --> 00:33:50.400
same job that the Army does. The Army also has

00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.779
divers, so you can't even use swimming as an

00:33:53.779 --> 00:33:56.089
excuse. Yeah, but your divers aren't as good

00:33:56.089 --> 00:33:59.789
as our divers. I don't know. Our divers are pretty

00:33:59.789 --> 00:34:05.349
good. But you see what I'm saying, though? Like,

00:34:05.349 --> 00:34:08.469
really, why do we have our Marines? Is it just

00:34:08.469 --> 00:34:13.309
because I don't even know? And then, to go even

00:34:13.309 --> 00:34:15.610
farther, they're called the few and the proud

00:34:15.610 --> 00:34:18.590
or whatever. I know so many Marines. I know more

00:34:18.590 --> 00:34:20.769
Marines than I know soldiers. And apparently

00:34:20.769 --> 00:34:22.710
soldiers are everywhere? Like, what the heck,

00:34:22.750 --> 00:34:26.320
dude? And then when I'm talking to a Marine,

00:34:26.380 --> 00:34:30.539
they're like, yeah, my company was like 300 people.

00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.639
And I'm like, dude, my companies were like 40

00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:41.699
people. Mark's just like, I have no idea what

00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:47.420
these guys are talking about. Yeah. Never had

00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:51.079
the calling. You should have. It's the best thing

00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.590
I ever did with my life. Yeah. It really set

00:34:54.590 --> 00:34:58.949
me up to get out and be an IT guy, and instead

00:34:58.949 --> 00:35:04.949
I farm turkeys. So that's great. It's kind of

00:35:04.949 --> 00:35:11.150
like I'm going to war every single day. Because

00:35:11.150 --> 00:35:14.929
those turkeys want me dead way more than anyone

00:35:14.929 --> 00:35:24.059
else ever has. They're miserable animals. Dude,

00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:27.519
turkeys are so dumb. And we talk about it enough

00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.380
on the podcast. Everyone should know turkeys

00:35:29.380 --> 00:35:37.119
are really, really dumb. Alright, so now that

00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.039
we've went on a very long tangent about anti

00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:46.099
-everything military. So, the Forerunner has...

00:35:46.099 --> 00:35:49.699
You got a couple of things set up for the Forerunner.

00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:51.599
You're not going to do nothing to the sketch

00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.179
trailer. Can we at least make the sketch trailer

00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:56.380
less sketch by putting a botches sticker on it?

00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:00.280
Yeah, that's going to happen. Oh, well, then

00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:01.920
when you go to resell it, it's worth, like, four

00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.719
grand. So, like, beautiful. Yeah, the markup.

00:36:05.739 --> 00:36:14.659
This was featured on a podcast. Are you at least

00:36:14.659 --> 00:36:17.500
going to be able to make it to botches yearly?

00:36:17.659 --> 00:36:19.539
Because we definitely moved that for you, too.

00:36:20.380 --> 00:36:24.699
One's yearly? That's... september right yes yeah

00:36:24.699 --> 00:36:30.019
okay i'm kind of bummed if i'll be bummed if

00:36:30.019 --> 00:36:34.260
you miss third gen weekend yeah i right now my

00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:39.400
whole summer a slash spring is like non -existent

00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.159
june is potentially completely off the table

00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:48.940
august is off the table yeah how how many years

00:36:48.940 --> 00:36:56.760
you got left Ten. Unless I break myself so badly

00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.599
that they say they don't want me. So you joined

00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:09.260
15? Or 14? Yeah. January of 15. Man. Look at

00:37:09.260 --> 00:37:13.059
this. I was in the service longer than you. And

00:37:13.059 --> 00:37:16.739
I didn't go anywhere with my life. Jesus. See,

00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.440
you die a villain, or you live to be... You die

00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.760
a hero, or you live to be a villain. Yep, and

00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:28.980
I have done that. Yeah, I... Let's see, I joined

00:37:28.980 --> 00:37:34.940
June of 14, June 10th of 2014. So when you joined,

00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.420
you said January of 15? Did you leave for boot

00:37:37.420 --> 00:37:43.400
camp January 15, then? Yeah, I... They went in

00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:49.219
and signed probably about when you shipped. So

00:37:49.219 --> 00:37:53.280
yeah, I would have been... When you left for

00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:58.300
boot camp, I was in Korea. See, January. So I

00:37:58.300 --> 00:38:02.360
would have been on my very first big army field

00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:07.639
exercise by that time. which was a very wild

00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.440
experience because we were sent to a rock army

00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.739
base and they literally picked up all our equipment

00:38:13.739 --> 00:38:16.019
with helicopters and set us on a mountaintop.

00:38:16.539 --> 00:38:22.079
And going from basic and AIT to suddenly being

00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.019
flown around in helicopters is a very fun experience,

00:38:25.340 --> 00:38:27.619
especially when you're just a comms guy and you

00:38:27.619 --> 00:38:35.199
should not be doing that. Yeah. Yeah, the stuff

00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:38.239
you do that you have no right to do is always

00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.760
the fun stuff. Not even a little bit. I never

00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.719
got any sort of helicopter training. Man, I even

00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.619
flew in a C -137 one time. I had no need to be

00:38:47.619 --> 00:38:50.219
on that plane. I didn't have a jump badge or

00:38:50.219 --> 00:39:02.940
nothing. Well... I don't think I have anything

00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:07.659
else for you there, Shane. Yeah, I've got no

00:39:07.659 --> 00:39:10.559
exciting stuff coming up that I'm working on

00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.179
with the 4Runner other than just hopefully wheeling

00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:19.579
it more. And then leaving me the keys when you

00:39:19.579 --> 00:39:26.940
go away so I can wheel it. Yeah, just, hey, you

00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:30.630
get the kids that come with it. Hey, I told you,

00:39:30.670 --> 00:39:33.150
man. Well, you're gone. Just let us know. We

00:39:33.150 --> 00:39:35.210
will take your kids out because I don't want

00:39:35.210 --> 00:39:38.210
them to miss out on all that fun. Yeah, they're

00:39:38.210 --> 00:39:41.230
already itching to hit the trails again because

00:39:41.230 --> 00:39:47.889
I haven't been out on a trail run in probably

00:39:47.889 --> 00:39:53.429
a good month now. All right, so in April, what

00:39:53.429 --> 00:40:00.880
is your current drill schedule in April? Drill

00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:08.219
the first weekend of April, then have a wedding

00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:16.739
the 12th, then Easter weekend, then Joseph's

00:40:16.739 --> 00:40:20.340
birthday party thrown in there somewhere, and

00:40:20.340 --> 00:40:27.690
then it's May. So, Easter weekend. Wait, when

00:40:27.690 --> 00:40:34.869
is Joseph's birthday? 15th. Well, Easter weekend,

00:40:35.030 --> 00:40:39.909
we should do a little bit of trail cleanup. Spend

00:40:39.909 --> 00:40:41.949
like an hour Saturday morning or something, or

00:40:41.949 --> 00:40:44.869
a couple hours Saturday morning. Yeah, I know

00:40:44.869 --> 00:40:50.730
end of this month on the 29th, there's a trail

00:40:50.730 --> 00:40:54.599
cleanup out at Yankee. I was going to... take

00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.099
the trailer out for that one maybe throw chainsaw

00:40:57.099 --> 00:41:00.300
and everything in it go try and fill it with

00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:03.699
trash because i know last time i took the boys

00:41:03.699 --> 00:41:06.139
out there like one of the trails had a couch

00:41:06.139 --> 00:41:10.480
off on the side of it yeah yeah i'm thinking

00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.659
because i want to have our trailer ready to do

00:41:13.659 --> 00:41:15.840
that stuff before we go out to do trail cleanup

00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.860
so i'm looking more for like mid -april like

00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:23.920
easter weekend would be really good yeah go and

00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.719
do like skitter or something yeah i'm thinking

00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.760
like skitter and like mark's nemesis just make

00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.760
sure all the trash is picked up in those areas

00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.980
yeah yeah the trails that i actually care about

00:41:35.980 --> 00:41:38.019
that if the dnr shut down i'd be pretty pissed

00:41:38.019 --> 00:41:43.659
yeah which around here our trails stay pretty

00:41:43.659 --> 00:41:47.539
clean usually if there's trash it's local dumping

00:41:47.539 --> 00:41:51.510
it's not wheeling Yeah. Or it's a random third

00:41:51.510 --> 00:41:53.769
gen forerunner mirror that got lost on skitter

00:41:53.769 --> 00:41:59.269
Hill and buried in the mud because, well, we

00:41:59.269 --> 00:42:02.670
have recovered one of them. Yep. Because when

00:42:02.670 --> 00:42:06.369
we went back like a month later, we found the

00:42:06.369 --> 00:42:10.510
first one that I lost. The second one last I

00:42:10.510 --> 00:42:13.409
knew is still buried in a rut on the Hill somewhere.

00:42:13.690 --> 00:42:17.349
Yep. Well, if we go do skitter, we can probably

00:42:17.349 --> 00:42:27.679
find, A 2004 Land Rover rear bumper mount. Yeah,

00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:31.179
I definitely want to get out and get those areas

00:42:31.179 --> 00:42:34.119
just kind of kept up. And I'm thinking, you know,

00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.280
a couple times throughout the summer we'll head

00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:39.199
out there and just do a, like I said, an hour,

00:42:39.219 --> 00:42:42.219
maybe two hours. We won't do any really wheeling

00:42:42.219 --> 00:42:48.820
except for to get out there. Yeah. But. Yeah,

00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:52.099
I think that is it then. Do we have any housekeeping

00:42:52.099 --> 00:42:54.199
with this, Mark? I guess I should check LB and

00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:56.840
see if we got any boosts. Yeah, that would be

00:42:56.840 --> 00:43:02.340
a good idea. But I doubt we did because everybody

00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:07.719
hates us, so... There are no boosts because you

00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:12.420
all hate us. Darn. Except for Magnolia Man. He

00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:15.699
has boosted in. We'll give him a pass on the

00:43:15.699 --> 00:43:20.579
hatred. Oh, yeah. So on that note, we will catch

00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:22.539
you guys later. Yep. Later.