WEBVTT 00:00:26.009 --> 00:00:28.670 Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk 00:00:28.670 --> 00:00:31.030 about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, 00:00:31.230 --> 00:00:33.490 tent camping to rock landing, and all things 00:00:33.490 --> 00:00:36.729 to do with the outdoors. Today, we are doing 00:00:36.729 --> 00:00:39.509 a kind of fun one, off -roading myths and misconceptions. 00:00:40.890 --> 00:00:43.929 What's actually true? And I'm not going to lie, 00:00:44.049 --> 00:00:46.429 I totally went on chat GPT and asked it for the 00:00:46.429 --> 00:00:53.270 best possible topic for today's episode. Let 00:00:53.270 --> 00:00:56.310 this be your AI -generated content for the day. 00:00:59.630 --> 00:01:04.709 The very first one that... Oh, go ahead, Gavin. 00:01:05.549 --> 00:01:08.489 Oh, no, I was just about to ask which one's our 00:01:08.489 --> 00:01:12.950 first topic, man. Yeah, so the first thing is... 00:01:12.950 --> 00:01:16.510 Number one is you need a big lift to go off -road. 00:01:17.909 --> 00:01:23.459 And this is... very much so not true fact yeah 00:01:23.459 --> 00:01:27.500 so this is the this is the topic yeah it's a 00:01:27.500 --> 00:01:31.900 myth or misconception so then we're yeah so this 00:01:31.900 --> 00:01:34.900 is a myth according to them and i agree oh yeah 00:01:34.900 --> 00:01:37.159 because you can definitely go off -roading in 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:42.159 a honda civic a miata or a miata we've seen lots 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:44.540 of cool miata builds what was that three -wheeled 00:01:44.540 --> 00:01:48.219 one i sent you recently last couple months like 00:01:48.219 --> 00:01:51.500 it was a very that reliant Yeah. Reliant Robin. 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:58.159 Yeah. Someone off -road Reliant Robin. God, I've 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:03.400 seen someone do Gambler, do Moab with a Crown 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:06.780 Vic. Hell yeah, dude. I was trying to get my 00:02:06.780 --> 00:02:08.599 little brother to buy a Crown Vic, and he was 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:11.400 telling me, it's two -wheel drive. It won't work 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:14.379 in the snow. So I was sending him videos of Crown 00:02:14.379 --> 00:02:16.639 Vics just bombing through the fucking desert 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:24.439 in the snow. Yeah. I think we have too many vehicles 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:29.800 and the groups that we share together that aren't 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:35.159 necessarily meant for off -road that prove that 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:41.259 you can actually still go off -road with them. 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:44.879 I mean, obviously it depends on what you're doing. 00:02:44.939 --> 00:02:47.280 If you've got big rocks, which Michigan typically 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:51.960 does not. I mean, you need maybe a little bit 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.180 of extra clearance or maybe some mud holes or 00:02:54.180 --> 00:02:56.759 something like that. We have bypasses for most 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:00.860 of those. So, I mean, for, I would say Michigan, 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:03.139 yeah, you definitely don't need it. If you were 00:03:03.139 --> 00:03:08.120 to do black diamond stuff. I don't think you 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.419 could do the Rubicon. I don't think you could 00:03:10.419 --> 00:03:14.080 do the Rubicon in a Crown Vic. I was going to 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.419 say a Corvair, but I know you can do the Rubicon 00:03:16.419 --> 00:03:19.689 in a Corvair. Yeah, you definitely can. But that 00:03:19.689 --> 00:03:25.050 does have a lift. A big lift. Yeah, definitely. 00:03:26.810 --> 00:03:29.669 And it's not even a Corvair underneath anymore. 00:03:29.870 --> 00:03:33.569 Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, you don't need a big 00:03:33.569 --> 00:03:37.449 lift. I mean, heck, last year we were doing a 00:03:37.449 --> 00:03:40.710 trail ride with, I think, Austin on one of his 00:03:40.710 --> 00:03:48.219 trail expeditions, I guess. And we had pretty 00:03:48.219 --> 00:03:56.360 much a stock Lexus SUV with some decently shreddy 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:59.900 tires, and it did everything we did. And kind 00:03:59.900 --> 00:04:03.060 of easier on some of the more off -camber situations. 00:04:03.580 --> 00:04:07.039 I mean, you've got to think, you know, a 6 -8 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:09.860 -inch lift isn't always the best idea on some 00:04:09.860 --> 00:04:14.699 off -camber situations. So there is a balance. 00:04:16.610 --> 00:04:21.449 Higher, yeah. I like what's called a, I think 00:04:21.449 --> 00:04:25.230 they called it LCGHC or something, low center 00:04:25.230 --> 00:04:28.029 of gravity, high clearance. So that's what I 00:04:28.029 --> 00:04:32.310 did on my TJ build. I think it was one inch of 00:04:32.310 --> 00:04:35.089 lift or two inches of lift, but probably four 00:04:35.089 --> 00:04:38.569 times the original travel. I actually chopped 00:04:38.569 --> 00:04:41.870 out my hood and my fenders so that my tires could 00:04:41.870 --> 00:04:47.220 go higher than. the the engine basically um yeah 00:04:47.220 --> 00:04:50.300 and that i mean that that build worked really 00:04:50.300 --> 00:04:52.379 well for like arizona because it was all steep 00:04:52.379 --> 00:04:57.160 hills and you know big uh roll -offs and big 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:02.319 rocks and yeah i mean solid axles are gonna uh 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:04.519 inherently do better at things like that for 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:09.720 sure because of that but uh yeah well i mean 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:14.120 did did you see anything with i would say independent 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.920 or like cv axles that could still do that because 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:19.279 i mean you're limited by your how much travel 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:22.319 you have with that so you really can't do that 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:26.560 with a cv like inherently an ifs setup cannot 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:32.800 wheel like a solid axle um no no because you 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:36.319 know a solid axle you almost have there's almost 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.459 a pivot point or there is a pivot point right 00:05:38.459 --> 00:05:42.649 so let's say on a a jeep or at least a decently 00:05:42.649 --> 00:05:44.649 outfitted jeep it's going to have almost a center 00:05:44.649 --> 00:05:47.750 diff in the front which is going to allow your 00:05:47.750 --> 00:05:50.550 pivot point to basically be your center diff 00:05:50.550 --> 00:05:52.730 because that keeps your drive shaft straight 00:05:52.730 --> 00:05:56.110 and with that center point you can actually have 00:05:56.110 --> 00:05:59.209 your tires go higher than what an ifs rig could 00:05:59.209 --> 00:06:01.589 because in an ifs rig you've always got springs 00:06:01.589 --> 00:06:04.829 pushing down i mean it can only go up so far 00:06:04.829 --> 00:06:07.870 there might be more down travel but not up travel 00:06:07.870 --> 00:06:13.050 yeah right I was about to say, compared to my 00:06:13.050 --> 00:06:16.329 first Tacoma compared to the new one, lift definitely 00:06:16.329 --> 00:06:20.730 helps a lot, but it's not needed. I was able 00:06:20.730 --> 00:06:23.370 to wheel that Tacoma with what you had lift -wise 00:06:23.370 --> 00:06:26.110 on your vehicle at the time. It pretty much did 00:06:26.110 --> 00:06:28.370 everything. Yeah, it kind of rubbed a lot of 00:06:28.370 --> 00:06:32.670 stuff, but it off -rolled the same handling as 00:06:32.670 --> 00:06:37.560 your 4Runner did at the time. The Forerunner 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.600 definitely could have went farther than the Tacoma. 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:43.480 No, no, 100%. But it needed a driver mod to do 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:47.199 that at the time. Because I was definitely a 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:49.439 little more scared of breaking my daily back 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:51.439 then. Now it's just like, whatever, I'll fix 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:53.680 it. Well, it kind of helps with that same trip 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:55.920 you broke the vehicle. So you're like, ah, screw 00:06:55.920 --> 00:07:02.279 it at this point. Yeah, that. Lower ball joints 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:05.699 are a bitch. Hey, Toyota listeners, especially 00:07:05.699 --> 00:07:10.120 third -gen 4Runners, first -gen Tundras, first 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:14.100 -gen Tacomas, and first -gen Sequoias, go change 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:17.079 your lower ball joints right now. This is your 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:22.319 call. They are broken. And while you're at it, 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:26.389 gust at your control arms. Everyone should gusset 00:07:26.389 --> 00:07:30.069 their control arms. Everyone should gusset their 00:07:30.069 --> 00:07:37.209 knuckles, for sure. Okay, so we've determined 00:07:37.209 --> 00:07:41.290 that is definitely myth. What's our second one? 00:07:42.170 --> 00:07:45.149 Air lockers are a must -have for off -roading. 00:07:46.769 --> 00:07:50.540 Yeah, that's myth. Right now, I'm currently wheeling 00:07:50.540 --> 00:07:52.720 without any lockers because my rear locker is 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:57.259 broken, and I don't have a front locker. Yeah, 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.680 I mean, I would say, and I guess we're going 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:04.160 to group air and electric lockers. Yeah, all 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:06.779 lockers. There are plenty of vehicles that do 00:08:06.779 --> 00:08:11.959 not have lockers that can do this fine. They 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:15.639 help. They sure do. And there's definitely... 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.000 You know what? There's definitely obstacles you're 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.899 not doing without lockers. Yeah, and I learned 00:08:21.899 --> 00:08:27.100 that too. I'm newer to, I guess, the technicality 00:08:27.100 --> 00:08:31.100 of when and when not to use lockers when it helps 00:08:31.100 --> 00:08:35.940 and doesn't. And earlier this year with the poker 00:08:35.940 --> 00:08:39.519 run and stuff, I definitely learned where they 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:44.559 have pluses and when really not to use them. 00:08:44.620 --> 00:08:49.169 So they help. Um, and there was somebody else 00:08:49.169 --> 00:08:51.909 who didn't quite make it up that place that didn't 00:08:51.909 --> 00:08:55.710 have them. So, uh, do you have the same capability 00:08:55.710 --> 00:08:59.750 to go the same places? No, but maybe with enough 00:08:59.750 --> 00:09:03.230 throttle, maybe, but that's a, that's another, 00:09:03.350 --> 00:09:07.429 that's another one that's coming up. Is that 00:09:07.429 --> 00:09:11.090 throttle isn't always better. Yeah. So, I mean, 00:09:11.090 --> 00:09:16.980 it's. I don't think, I mean, for just regular 00:09:16.980 --> 00:09:19.720 off -roading, no. You can get more into technical 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:24.159 stuff that's different. I think for me, yeah, 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:27.279 e -lockers or lockers in general will help. But 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:29.519 at the same time, I think it's how you take your 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.679 lines that really help you get through the obstacles 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:36.879 as well. For sure. Especially in Michigan. Yeah, 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.509 I mean, lines are, yeah. Lines are very important. 00:09:40.990 --> 00:09:44.230 I'm a baby. I'll take the easiest and nicest 00:09:44.230 --> 00:09:47.350 line for everything to get through that obstacle 00:09:47.350 --> 00:09:52.149 until I have to take a hard line. I go out of 00:09:52.149 --> 00:09:54.090 my way to take the hard line. Alex doesn't take 00:09:54.090 --> 00:09:56.950 lines. Yeah, Alex does not take the easy line 00:09:56.950 --> 00:10:01.149 at all. But he knows the boundaries of his vehicle. 00:10:02.830 --> 00:10:08.120 He's a lot better about fixing it. And his vehicle 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.740 has a lot more capability than mine as far as, 00:10:10.740 --> 00:10:16.320 you know, travel goes. So he can do that and 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:19.620 feel more confident about it than I can try to 00:10:19.620 --> 00:10:23.159 do the same thing and maybe break something, 00:10:23.340 --> 00:10:29.299 maybe get stuck, you know. So, no, definitely 00:10:29.299 --> 00:10:33.279 don't need lockers. They do help, though. For 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.700 sure. Yep. So, number three, mud terrain tires 00:10:36.700 --> 00:10:44.559 are always the best for off -roading. So, I personally, 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:49.480 I think that mud terrains are a phenomenal option 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:55.720 for off -roading in Michigan. Yep. And solely 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:59.159 for off -roading. On -road, they're fine until 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:01.200 the snow comes. Once the snow comes and the road 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:04.309 gets icy. you're skating regardless of what you're 00:11:04.309 --> 00:11:06.929 doing. I spent all winter just hoping I could 00:11:06.929 --> 00:11:13.289 stop. This is a very true statement by him. Yeah, 00:11:13.309 --> 00:11:17.429 very much so. But when you're buying mud terrains, 00:11:17.470 --> 00:11:19.009 if you're buying them as the only tire for your 00:11:19.009 --> 00:11:20.649 car, you've got to know that that's what it's 00:11:20.649 --> 00:11:22.929 going to be like. I've driven on mud terrains 00:11:22.929 --> 00:11:24.889 pretty much every winter since I was in high 00:11:24.889 --> 00:11:28.730 school. Even on my Buick Roadmaster, I put mud 00:11:28.730 --> 00:11:31.009 terrains on that old girl. Oh, she was so cute. 00:11:32.070 --> 00:11:36.629 But, you know, you got to understand that they're 00:11:36.629 --> 00:11:40.129 not good on snow and ice. They're inherently 00:11:40.129 --> 00:11:43.710 worse on pavement. They are going to be louder. 00:11:43.889 --> 00:11:46.190 They're going to ride rougher. They might wear 00:11:46.190 --> 00:11:48.210 worse. My tires that I have right now, I'm at, 00:11:48.350 --> 00:11:51.169 I think, 35 ,000 miles on them or something like 00:11:51.169 --> 00:11:53.970 that. And they are wearing, they're starting 00:11:53.970 --> 00:11:56.409 to wear very unevenly. I'm having to rotate them 00:11:56.409 --> 00:12:01.450 like every 1 ,500 miles right now. I mean, you've 00:12:01.450 --> 00:12:04.190 got to know that there's a possibility of going 00:12:04.190 --> 00:12:07.470 through that when you buy mud terrains. Oh, by 00:12:07.470 --> 00:12:09.610 the way, I'm the mud terrain expert here in this 00:12:09.610 --> 00:12:15.230 group. Oh, he is. Also, disclaimer, a lot of 00:12:15.230 --> 00:12:18.129 your suspension stuff has either been off, out 00:12:18.129 --> 00:12:23.730 of whack, or not quite right. Not saying it's 00:12:23.730 --> 00:12:26.389 broken or anything, but we've had a lot of issues. 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.159 as far as your suspension and alignment and stuff 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:34.259 for this year. So a lot of that could chalk up 00:12:34.259 --> 00:12:36.820 to that as well. Yeah, because I've been through 00:12:36.820 --> 00:12:41.519 two. I've bent two lower control arms. I've bent 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:44.559 a set of upper control arms. I've bent a knuckle 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:47.179 this year and broke a knuckle this year. These 00:12:47.179 --> 00:12:50.259 tires have been through hell. I've beat the shit 00:12:50.259 --> 00:12:52.659 out of them. You replaced two rack opinions. 00:12:53.259 --> 00:12:56.139 Yeah, two rack opinions on this set of tire. 00:12:57.419 --> 00:13:00.620 Yeah, I mean, they were cheap and they work well 00:13:00.620 --> 00:13:04.740 for the off -road stuff that you do. I personally 00:13:04.740 --> 00:13:07.720 am of a little bit of a different opinion. I 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.799 think some meaty all -terrains are probably my 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.120 go -to. I like to have the best of both worlds 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:18.600 or the best of all worlds if you can. Unfortunately, 00:13:18.700 --> 00:13:22.129 with a tire... uh there's not really any one 00:13:22.129 --> 00:13:25.809 tire that's best for all of them right uh so 00:13:25.809 --> 00:13:28.389 yeah you know you have to make compromises here 00:13:28.389 --> 00:13:31.690 there what do you want what are you doing how 00:13:31.690 --> 00:13:33.289 long you know how long are you going to be doing 00:13:33.289 --> 00:13:35.730 it for if you're going out you know once every 00:13:35.730 --> 00:13:38.730 couple months maybe mud tires something you don't 00:13:38.730 --> 00:13:41.809 need and but like that's another thing you kind 00:13:41.809 --> 00:13:45.029 of that you just reminded me of mud tires on 00:13:45.029 --> 00:13:47.570 rocks get chewed the hell up they throw lugs 00:13:47.570 --> 00:13:52.029 oh yeah They rip pieces off. They fall apart 00:13:52.029 --> 00:13:54.950 quick when you're on loose rock. Whereas an all 00:13:54.950 --> 00:13:57.289 -terrain isn't going to be ripping apart like 00:13:57.289 --> 00:14:00.590 that. I've got a set of mud terrains on my TJ 00:14:00.590 --> 00:14:04.610 right now that they look like hell. They might 00:14:04.610 --> 00:14:07.690 have 15 ,000 miles on them or something, but 00:14:07.690 --> 00:14:10.370 they are absolutely shredded from Arizona rocks. 00:14:12.049 --> 00:14:17.440 Yeah, that's valid too. is as far as what i was 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.259 looking into is i wanted a tire that had some 00:14:20.259 --> 00:14:23.659 deeper tread in it so i was considering mud tires 00:14:23.659 --> 00:14:28.500 for a while um but you know to be honest i saw 00:14:28.500 --> 00:14:32.539 alex's handling and stuff on his and that's kind 00:14:32.539 --> 00:14:34.700 of what told me that maybe it's not the right 00:14:34.700 --> 00:14:39.480 move for me um so i have falcon wild peaks and 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.539 they're kind of for me they're kind of the the 00:14:42.539 --> 00:14:48.830 best of all worlds for now Maybe Baja Bosses 00:14:48.830 --> 00:14:52.269 or something at some point I'll try out. Thought 00:14:52.269 --> 00:14:55.070 about it. They're good. I hear they do. Yeah, 00:14:55.110 --> 00:14:56.570 I was going to say, I think Mark's got them. 00:14:56.590 --> 00:15:00.750 He likes them. They work real well for me. So 00:15:00.750 --> 00:15:03.990 quick, now that we're on tire talk, so I'm looking 00:15:03.990 --> 00:15:06.649 for my next tire. Have you guys heard anything 00:15:06.649 --> 00:15:09.210 about the Milestar Patagonias? Are they decent? 00:15:10.429 --> 00:15:15.990 Because I hear what the channels tell me. So 00:15:15.990 --> 00:15:18.330 take that with, I guess, a grain of salt because 00:15:18.330 --> 00:15:24.210 they could be sponsored or whatnot. But I think 00:15:24.210 --> 00:15:26.350 there's quite a few channels that are actually 00:15:26.350 --> 00:15:31.649 running the Patagonias that like them. So like 00:15:31.649 --> 00:15:33.669 I said, take that with a grain of salt. I've 00:15:33.669 --> 00:15:36.350 heard good about them, but I only hear them through 00:15:36.350 --> 00:15:39.350 channels. Because I'm going to be getting new 00:15:39.350 --> 00:15:43.259 tires here in... probably after june so probably 00:15:43.259 --> 00:15:46.279 july august sometime and the two that i'm looking 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:49.960 at right now is i can get five patagonias uh 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:54.320 35s for 1200 or i can get four kenda clever and 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.139 those are all trains the uh or extra xts are 00:15:58.139 --> 00:16:02.080 the mile stars or four kenda clever mt2s for 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:06.100 1200 and obviously we all know how the kenda 00:16:06.100 --> 00:16:08.179 clevers do they're phenomenal tire for the price 00:16:09.470 --> 00:16:13.110 but I'm kind of wanting to get away from mud 00:16:13.110 --> 00:16:21.389 terrains. Yeah. So, Kenda Clevers were a great 00:16:21.389 --> 00:16:27.370 tire for the price. Now, they cost just as much 00:16:27.370 --> 00:16:31.210 as just about any other tire in its class. Maybe 00:16:31.210 --> 00:16:37.409 a little less. About $500 to $600 less. i i don't 00:16:37.409 --> 00:16:40.690 know i was looking at those comparatively and 00:16:40.690 --> 00:16:46.549 they were pretty comparable so maybe uh yeah 00:16:46.549 --> 00:16:49.429 no i i always thought of them to be much cheaper 00:16:49.429 --> 00:16:52.169 tires and you know years ago i think they were 00:16:52.169 --> 00:16:55.450 well and i'm looking at it you know comparatively 00:16:55.450 --> 00:16:58.110 if you're looking at 31s or 33s they're about 00:16:58.110 --> 00:17:01.549 the same price but when you get to 35s or 37s 00:17:01.549 --> 00:17:06.319 they're about 500 less than say Oh, Baja Boss 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.539 35s are expensive. That's like $2 ,300, $2 ,400 00:17:09.539 --> 00:17:13.799 a tire. Yeah, those are expensive for sure. I 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:17.099 mean, those are, I guess, one of the more top 00:17:17.099 --> 00:17:19.319 of the line. Oh, they are. I mean, I know the 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:23.500 most popular ones are kind of Clevers, you know, 00:17:23.539 --> 00:17:28.009 KO2s and Wild Beaks. uh yeah and for good reason 00:17:28.009 --> 00:17:30.309 a lot of people you know a lot of people swear 00:17:30.309 --> 00:17:32.890 by ko2s a lot of people absolutely hate them 00:17:32.890 --> 00:17:37.690 i hated my ko2s really my ko2s i i they rode 00:17:37.690 --> 00:17:40.450 rough they shred i went through those in what 00:17:40.450 --> 00:17:43.269 like 700 miles or something like that mark yeah 00:17:43.269 --> 00:17:45.950 like i know my alignment was slightly off but 00:17:45.950 --> 00:17:48.529 i completely destroyed one in like 500 miles 00:17:48.529 --> 00:17:54.450 yeah yeah i mean i uh i've heard that in the 00:17:54.450 --> 00:17:57.250 fj forums and stuff that people don't like ko2s 00:17:57.250 --> 00:18:00.950 as well but yeah the overruling majority says 00:18:00.950 --> 00:18:04.369 that wild peaks are the best for the fjs and 00:18:04.369 --> 00:18:09.150 blah blah blah so i mean yeah i mean like i said 00:18:09.150 --> 00:18:13.349 before uh getting back closer to my main thought 00:18:13.349 --> 00:18:17.589 is for what we have in michigan which we have 00:18:17.589 --> 00:18:21.230 a lot of varying terrain as far as uh you know 00:18:21.230 --> 00:18:29.430 deep mud very fine sand, the snow, ice. I wanted 00:18:29.430 --> 00:18:31.910 something that could do a little bit of everything 00:18:31.910 --> 00:18:38.029 and do it decently. Mud terrains don't do great 00:18:38.029 --> 00:18:43.970 in sand, so as much as I was on sand this last 00:18:43.970 --> 00:18:46.630 year, I wanted to make sure that I could find 00:18:46.630 --> 00:18:52.150 something that I was comfortable with. I wanted 00:18:52.150 --> 00:18:56.430 something with deeper treads for mud, and I wanted 00:18:56.430 --> 00:18:58.230 something that would still be able to handle 00:18:58.230 --> 00:19:00.289 in the snow because this is still my daily. I 00:19:00.289 --> 00:19:02.230 still drive my son around in it, and I want to 00:19:02.230 --> 00:19:05.970 make sure it's safe. So, you know, wild peaks 00:19:05.970 --> 00:19:10.869 for me were not only, I mean, I came upon a great 00:19:10.869 --> 00:19:13.410 deal, but they were also something I had been 00:19:13.410 --> 00:19:15.630 looking at for a while as being, I think, my 00:19:15.630 --> 00:19:19.400 best option at the time for my budget. Yeah, 00:19:19.420 --> 00:19:22.240 for me, it just comes down to Wild Peaks. Well, 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.799 one, they don't have a skinny 35, and I'm specifically 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:29.579 trying to get skinny 35s, which is why the Patagonias 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:31.740 are so high on my list, because they have, like, 00:19:31.819 --> 00:19:38.619 a 275 80 -17, which is a pretty skinny 35. Yeah, 00:19:38.779 --> 00:19:41.319 pizza cutters are nice. I like pizza cutters. 00:19:42.140 --> 00:19:43.859 They're not quite pizza cutter. They're not quite 00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:48.140 that skinny. I want a little bit more depth because 00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:49.779 I still want to be able to do sand comfortably, 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:56.420 but... Yeah, I think, was it Tinkers? Tinkers 00:19:56.420 --> 00:19:59.180 Off -Roaders? Tinkers on YouTube. He does an 00:19:59.180 --> 00:20:03.319 analysis versus, you know, pizza cutters versus, 00:20:03.339 --> 00:20:08.000 like, normal -sized tires. The amount of tread 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:10.960 that actually gets exposed when you air up and 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:15.339 air down. and pizza cutters do just as well as 00:20:15.339 --> 00:20:20.480 normal tires uh if not a little better so so 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:23.099 i watched that i watched that same video and 00:20:23.099 --> 00:20:26.420 he was sitting on asphalt when he did it and 00:20:26.420 --> 00:20:30.700 on asphalt i agree 100 um but once you get in 00:20:30.700 --> 00:20:33.579 something like that's loose sand Now you're not 00:20:33.579 --> 00:20:36.819 just looking at, like, the normal low -end contact 00:20:36.819 --> 00:20:39.200 patch. You're looking at the entire contact patch. 00:20:39.460 --> 00:20:42.059 And a full -size tire is going to be better on 00:20:42.059 --> 00:20:46.359 loose sand, period. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:48.660 you have more surface area. That's really what 00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:50.920 it comes down to. You know, I'm not looking for, 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:53.019 like, a 13 -inch wide tire or anything because 00:20:53.019 --> 00:20:55.599 I don't need that. But if I could get, like, 00:20:55.619 --> 00:20:57.759 a 10 -inch tire over a 9 -inch, I'm going to 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:01.369 get the 10 -inch. Yeah. Right. I mean, yeah, 00:21:01.490 --> 00:21:03.509 I mean, you're going from, if you think of it 00:21:03.509 --> 00:21:05.769 in terms of, like, deep snow, you're going from 00:21:05.769 --> 00:21:09.890 walking through the snow with your shoes versus 00:21:09.890 --> 00:21:13.890 walking through the snow with snow shoes. Right. 00:21:13.990 --> 00:21:17.390 That extra width actually does really account 00:21:17.390 --> 00:21:19.670 for something in that kind of condition, but 00:21:19.670 --> 00:21:23.609 I guess it really... If it wasn't for the fact 00:21:23.609 --> 00:21:27.119 that I like to snow wheel and I like... It's 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:29.220 not that I like sand. I'm actually kind of against 00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:31.240 the dunes. But I'd like the ability to go to 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:34.440 the dunes this year or next year. Yeah. Because 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:38.180 I can't right now. If I go on these cheap mud 00:21:38.180 --> 00:21:42.200 trains I got, I'm just going to dig a hole. But 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:47.180 with my tire change, I want to open up all of 00:21:47.180 --> 00:21:49.619 what Michigan has to offer to me, not just snow 00:21:49.619 --> 00:21:55.940 wheeling and trails. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. 00:21:57.219 --> 00:22:00.319 So, yeah, I think that's a good one. Mud terrains 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.680 still look the best, though. Oh, I mean, yeah, 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:07.380 they really do. I can't lie in saying that that 00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:11.079 was part of my reasoning, of course, but at the 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:12.859 end of the day, my falcons still have some good 00:22:12.859 --> 00:22:15.559 tread. They still look pretty meaty, and I'll 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.440 take that over my... It seems like I had almost 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:21.460 bald all terrains comparatively before, so it 00:22:21.460 --> 00:22:23.759 was weird. I thought your other all terrains 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:27.599 were very bald. I mean, they were brand new still 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:30.279 at that point. What's funny is the difference 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:34.119 between... What brand were the old ones? There 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:37.839 were workhorse all -terrains. I can't remember. 00:22:37.940 --> 00:22:42.059 I think you're Goodyear or one of those fat tiger 00:22:42.059 --> 00:22:46.900 guys. But, you know, I mean, they were fine. 00:22:47.019 --> 00:22:48.619 They did well in the sand and everything, but 00:22:48.619 --> 00:22:52.859 when it came to mud, fuck, I was just out of 00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:58.460 it. Wasn't doing nothing. Yeah. That was number 00:22:58.460 --> 00:23:01.859 four. That was number three. That was a really 00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:05.460 fun topic, and it really took off. I'm glad that 00:23:05.460 --> 00:23:08.160 it did because tires are a very fun topic. Oh, 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:12.299 speaking of tires, so Tyler from Morphlate or 00:23:12.299 --> 00:23:15.099 Tyler from Snail Trail, if you go to the Snail 00:23:15.099 --> 00:23:17.319 Trail YouTube channel, which we'll link it in 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:21.059 the show notes, they just did an entire slideshow 00:23:21.059 --> 00:23:25.650 on tire pressure. All that stuff. And it is a 00:23:25.650 --> 00:23:27.930 really good listen or watch, however you want 00:23:27.930 --> 00:23:34.970 to take that in. Yep. So, number four. Never 00:23:34.970 --> 00:23:41.430 go off -roading alone. I think I go off -roading 00:23:41.430 --> 00:23:45.529 alone more than you guys do, just because I'm 00:23:45.529 --> 00:23:47.470 going around to these trails when I have free 00:23:47.470 --> 00:23:53.660 time. I would say if you don't have a winch and 00:23:53.660 --> 00:23:56.839 you're actually, I mean, if you're actually off 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.660 -roading, I would say it's, and you're not actually 00:24:00.660 --> 00:24:02.740 prepared, you don't have a winch, you don't have 00:24:02.740 --> 00:24:07.119 any recovery systems, which to me at that end 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:09.759 all be all would be a winch really. If you're 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:12.099 just doing service roads, go wheeling alone. 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.680 It's a blast. It's great to get out and be alone. 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:18.279 But if you're going down some harder trails with 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:22.059 some deep mud holes, no. have friends friends 00:24:22.059 --> 00:24:26.740 are great yeah i see for me i i definitely agree 00:24:26.740 --> 00:24:30.259 i i think i another i would say if you're solo 00:24:30.259 --> 00:24:35.680 and you've never been down a trail uh and you 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:40.039 know the conditions are not favorable have friends 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:43.900 i yeah i would have friends and i have a good 00:24:43.900 --> 00:24:47.420 example of this you know We probably spoke about 00:24:47.420 --> 00:24:50.960 it on a podcast earlier, but I did that ghost 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:55.359 rescue a month or so ago, two couple months, 00:24:55.539 --> 00:24:58.740 I don't know. Poor guy. Went down a trail that 00:24:58.740 --> 00:25:01.700 was rated blue, which normally my truck would 00:25:01.700 --> 00:25:06.220 be just fine handling, but we had some warm days, 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.000 some melt, and then they had some decent snow 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.440 accumulation over there covering most of the 00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:19.490 trail, which... honestly it dulled the the ruts 00:25:19.490 --> 00:25:21.470 you know it didn't make them look as deep didn't 00:25:21.470 --> 00:25:24.650 make anything look as bad and i went down there 00:25:24.650 --> 00:25:29.450 alone and got stuck and got stuck you know pretty 00:25:29.450 --> 00:25:34.369 decently so i mean going solo you take your chances 00:25:34.369 --> 00:25:36.369 like i said if you don't have the recovery equipment 00:25:36.369 --> 00:25:39.650 for it then yeah i wouldn't chance it on neutrals 00:25:39.650 --> 00:25:47.380 i think we beat this topic a lot around here 00:25:47.380 --> 00:25:51.140 on our channel we we go through this topic a 00:25:51.140 --> 00:25:55.619 lot number five friends are well i want to hold 00:25:55.619 --> 00:25:59.779 on to that friends are always always better when 00:25:59.779 --> 00:26:02.910 you're wheeling It's the shared experience. It's 00:26:02.910 --> 00:26:06.849 the fun of going with other people. It's the 00:26:06.849 --> 00:26:10.549 security of knowing if you break or if you get 00:26:10.549 --> 00:26:13.069 stuck that you have others that you can rely 00:26:13.069 --> 00:26:17.329 on. And it's a great way for you to somewhat 00:26:17.329 --> 00:26:20.690 safely push yourself and learn and gain experience 00:26:20.690 --> 00:26:24.450 without being stuck in the middle of nowhere 00:26:24.450 --> 00:26:29.559 alone and figuring out yourself. I had Alex and 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.079 Mark help me quite a few times on things that 00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:34.599 I wasn't necessarily comfortable with last summer. 00:26:35.420 --> 00:26:39.480 They helped me learn, you know, they helped direct 00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.140 me on certain lines that might be better than 00:26:42.140 --> 00:26:43.940 others, and that helped me kind of determine 00:26:43.940 --> 00:26:46.940 in the future what lines might be better. So, 00:26:46.940 --> 00:26:50.079 I mean, when you're wheeling with friends, it 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.319 really does, and especially more experienced 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:55.130 friends like those two. It really does help to 00:26:55.130 --> 00:26:57.509 kind of solidify your experience. When you wheel 00:26:57.509 --> 00:27:00.569 alone, especially when you're newer at it, you 00:27:00.569 --> 00:27:02.690 can make decisions that you might not know are 00:27:02.690 --> 00:27:08.390 bad, but end up negatively. You don't know that 00:27:08.390 --> 00:27:11.069 they're bad decisions until it's either too late 00:27:11.069 --> 00:27:15.230 or you find out later on. Maybe if you're not 00:27:15.230 --> 00:27:19.490 experienced on certain recovery techniques, things 00:27:19.490 --> 00:27:23.420 can end badly. Snow wheeling should never be 00:27:23.420 --> 00:27:26.019 done alone. No, 100%. Always have friends for 00:27:26.019 --> 00:27:29.700 snow wheeling. I mean, snow wheeling, not only 00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:32.019 do you have the potential to get stuck in any 00:27:32.019 --> 00:27:35.779 surface, not just a mud pit, but you've got the 00:27:35.779 --> 00:27:38.859 added problem where if you do get stuck, you're 00:27:38.859 --> 00:27:41.579 very reliant on your vehicle's heat at that point, 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.329 unless you brought a spare heat source. tent 00:27:45.329 --> 00:27:47.950 or whatever but let's say you get stuck somewhere 00:27:47.950 --> 00:27:50.150 and it's going to be six hours before someone 00:27:50.150 --> 00:27:52.609 gets to you that's a very terrible six hours 00:27:52.609 --> 00:27:57.509 oh yeah and and and this is not to even mention 00:27:57.509 --> 00:28:01.529 the ice yeah there are trails oh god there are 00:28:01.529 --> 00:28:04.390 inclines that i've taken in the summer oh they 00:28:04.390 --> 00:28:08.069 were fun but yeah i could not imagine going up 00:28:08.069 --> 00:28:11.950 or down these super steep inclines this actual 00:28:11.950 --> 00:28:16.309 parts of the trail in ice or snow situations 00:28:16.309 --> 00:28:18.529 that vary you know there's a ravine on the right 00:28:18.529 --> 00:28:22.829 and a tall wall on the left it one fuck up and 00:28:22.829 --> 00:28:25.150 you're going into that ravine you got to be careful 00:28:25.150 --> 00:28:28.609 except skitter hill that's more fun in the snow 00:28:28.609 --> 00:28:32.730 have you guys seen i'm trying to remember it 00:28:32.730 --> 00:28:35.549 was the group there's a group of these guys they're 00:28:35.549 --> 00:28:38.710 all wheeling in the winter and this is just recent 00:28:38.710 --> 00:28:42.420 um one of the jeeps misjudge where the edge of 00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:49.140 the um ditch was and rode over oh yeah i actually 00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:51.740 i think i did yeah it was on instagram it happens 00:28:51.740 --> 00:28:56.279 uh like i when we were doing trails this summer 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.859 i marked that i i don't have that actually marked 00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:01.240 on onyx but i marked it you know memory mentality 00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:04.640 wise like hey if we do this trail in the winter 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:08.420 i'm not doing this part because you're you're 00:29:08.420 --> 00:29:10.779 just begging for trouble i mean it's a it was 00:29:10.779 --> 00:29:14.359 a steep incline it's like a uh you guys didn't 00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:17.059 go with me on that one but it was a uh put your 00:29:17.059 --> 00:29:20.440 lockers and four low on incline where is this 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:25.359 because it had it was um out by the cadillac 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:29.420 area i was during the the cryptid hunt so it 00:29:29.420 --> 00:29:32.900 was by traverse city cadillac area and there 00:29:32.900 --> 00:29:35.039 was a lot of like loose gravel and stuff and 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:39.640 even even with like low on i was crawling up 00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:41.920 it and you could still feel like rocks being 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.640 like slid out like it's just gravel it's not 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.099 like it was like anything crazy but you could 00:29:48.099 --> 00:29:51.579 it was unsettling to look down and go oh yeah 00:29:51.579 --> 00:29:54.940 that's fucking like 200 feet you know it was 00:29:54.940 --> 00:29:58.680 uh maybe a slight exaggeration on on the storyteller's 00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.279 part but you know still it was it was very steep 00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:05.839 very quick And, yeah, snowy situations, absolutely. 00:30:06.140 --> 00:30:10.200 Mark, do you remember that incline out by where 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.319 we went to rescue that boat in, I don't remember 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:15.759 where we were at, Bytely? No, not Baldwin. Bytely. 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.900 No, not Bytely. We were over by Twin Lakes. Yeah. 00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:21.480 Yeah, Twin Lakes. Do you remember that big incline 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:23.519 on the back that I went up and around and, like, 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.579 slid all the way down it? Yeah, that was very 00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:29.579 sketch. I thought we were going to roll for a 00:30:29.579 --> 00:30:33.619 second. I'm trying to make the turn at the bottom 00:30:33.619 --> 00:30:37.980 without hitting a tree. I did that. I did that 00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:39.839 with you. I remember when we went back that way. 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:43.940 Yeah. We went back and revisited our crime scene, 00:30:44.059 --> 00:30:50.000 and I went over and I took that same trail, did 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:53.559 it, and thankfully did not slide into the tree 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.720 that was right in front of me. But it was that 00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.460 kind of incline. It was a little bit better than 00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:02.130 that. But still, I mean, you would not want to 00:31:02.130 --> 00:31:07.109 chance that with ice. And it was long, too. It 00:31:07.109 --> 00:31:11.410 was a good little bit there. So number five, 00:31:11.750 --> 00:31:14.390 lower tire pressure always means better traction. 00:31:16.349 --> 00:31:19.589 I think when it comes to sand, that's accurate. 00:31:19.769 --> 00:31:23.009 To an extent. Well, what situation does lowering 00:31:23.009 --> 00:31:24.910 your tire pressure not give you better traction? 00:31:25.170 --> 00:31:29.009 Yeah. When you lower it too much. And you end 00:31:29.009 --> 00:31:30.829 up de -beading the tire. And you don't fill it 00:31:30.829 --> 00:31:35.390 back up. I should have re -aired up. Let's put 00:31:35.390 --> 00:31:38.230 this in a perfect world, right? You're on a set 00:31:38.230 --> 00:31:41.730 of tires with bead locks that have absolutely 00:31:41.730 --> 00:31:47.069 no possible way of de -beading. Yep. What situation 00:31:47.069 --> 00:31:49.529 would airing down not give you better traction? 00:31:51.430 --> 00:31:56.450 I can't think of anything. On the road. He said 00:31:56.450 --> 00:31:57.769 Zach. That's the only thing. Well, you're going 00:31:57.769 --> 00:31:59.609 to have better traction on the road, too. You're 00:31:59.609 --> 00:32:01.150 just not going to want to go fast. No, you don't 00:32:01.150 --> 00:32:04.970 want to go fast at all. Well, I mean, the amount 00:32:04.970 --> 00:32:07.309 of sway that you get from being at, like, 5 PSI 00:32:07.309 --> 00:32:11.130 would not be great. Well, it's fine if you're 00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:13.210 going, like, 10, because I don't go over 20 when 00:32:13.210 --> 00:32:15.130 I'm down. Well, yeah, 10. But that's what I'm 00:32:15.130 --> 00:32:17.829 saying. Yeah, when I lean off. Like, what situation? 00:32:18.829 --> 00:32:21.470 Because ice is better with air down tires, right? 00:32:22.369 --> 00:32:24.190 Yeah, I mean, like we were talking about earlier. 00:32:24.410 --> 00:32:28.079 Yeah. Yeah, you have more surface area, so there's 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.380 not really... I don't think there's really an 00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:34.519 area where that would not... Boost in, email 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.440 in, do whatever. Somehow tell me the situation 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.440 where you have worse traction when you're aired 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:41.779 down. Because I think that Chat Jippity missed 00:32:41.779 --> 00:32:46.859 the mark on this one. Is mud bad for being aired 00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:48.700 down, or is that the same? I'm trying to remember. 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:55.579 Which one? Mud. I think mud is better aired down, 00:32:55.660 --> 00:32:58.960 too. That's the only one I can think of. I think 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:04.339 there's an extent. Because if you're aired up 00:33:04.339 --> 00:33:07.240 on mud, then your tires go deeper into it, which 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.579 gives you more chance of getting hung up. Whereas 00:33:09.579 --> 00:33:13.000 if you're aired down, you've got a wire contact 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:17.440 patch, and you flow over more of the mud. But 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.240 you have a better chance of being hung up on 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:23.049 your axle. I think you have a better chance of 00:33:23.049 --> 00:33:24.450 being hung up on your axle when you're aired 00:33:24.450 --> 00:33:26.309 up because your tires dig deeper into the mud 00:33:26.309 --> 00:33:33.069 that way. Yeah. Fair. I'm thinking of it from 00:33:33.069 --> 00:33:36.069 the fact that it lowers you slightly. I would 00:33:36.069 --> 00:33:39.549 say an inch or so. There have been times where 00:33:39.549 --> 00:33:43.109 we were climbing up on that poker run where I'm 00:33:43.109 --> 00:33:44.750 like, I feel like I would have cleared that normally. 00:33:46.490 --> 00:33:48.750 But once you start sinking, you're going to sink 00:33:48.750 --> 00:33:51.589 farther aired up than you would aired down. Oh, 00:33:51.650 --> 00:33:55.069 so you probably. I agree. Yeah. I will say that 00:33:55.069 --> 00:33:58.230 one hill climb that I had to air down from where 00:33:58.230 --> 00:34:00.470 I was at, I was at 20 originally. I could not 00:34:00.470 --> 00:34:04.349 climb that. And, yeah, airing down to 10 was 00:34:04.349 --> 00:34:08.010 a little excessive. But it was a world of difference 00:34:08.010 --> 00:34:12.610 climbing up that hill. All right. Well, one second. 00:34:12.610 --> 00:34:14.570 We got a doggo interrupting us. Hey, guys, go 00:34:14.570 --> 00:34:19.869 away. Go on. Get out of here. All right, so we'll 00:34:19.869 --> 00:34:22.630 just move on. Number six, automatic transmissions 00:34:22.630 --> 00:34:25.909 are bad for off -roading. Yeah, that's a myth. 00:34:26.130 --> 00:34:27.610 Very much so. I feel like we don't have to talk 00:34:27.610 --> 00:34:29.329 too much. Yeah, we don't have to talk too much 00:34:29.329 --> 00:34:32.750 on this one because it's pretty obvious. Manuals 00:34:32.750 --> 00:34:37.070 are inherently better off -roading, but automatics 00:34:37.070 --> 00:34:39.869 aren't bad, especially more modern automatics. 00:34:40.829 --> 00:34:44.449 I'd say... like 99 and up if you're trying to 00:34:44.449 --> 00:34:49.510 wheel with a 70s automatic c6 ford c6s aren't 00:34:49.510 --> 00:34:54.730 the best off -roading choice but the e40d was 00:34:54.730 --> 00:34:57.590 fine say what's in my toyota whatever the hell 00:34:57.590 --> 00:35:00.369 it is because i don't know it's fine yeah sometimes 00:35:00.369 --> 00:35:02.550 i'd rather be in a different gear than it gives 00:35:02.550 --> 00:35:07.050 me but like it's not bad i think the only only 00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:10.750 way that i could say that this would be worse 00:35:10.750 --> 00:35:15.250 is that automatics and snowmobile transmissions 00:35:15.250 --> 00:35:19.070 just don't work what is that cvt oh yeah cvts 00:35:19.070 --> 00:35:23.409 yeah i mean it's just not ideal for off -roading 00:35:23.409 --> 00:35:26.530 so they mean that would i guess be the only because 00:35:26.530 --> 00:35:29.369 i don't they don't make manual cvts do they no 00:35:29.369 --> 00:35:32.329 because the way cvt works is it's basically a 00:35:32.329 --> 00:35:34.969 drum a cone -shaped drum and there's a band that 00:35:34.969 --> 00:35:37.070 moves up the drum as it speeds up right right 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.840 Yeah, and that's why I call it snowmobile, because 00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.320 that's what I've always compared them to. But, 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.300 yeah, I mean, in that case, I would not say so. 00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.039 I feel like, is it true with those that you have 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:54.179 a longer time before your transmission actually... 00:35:55.820 --> 00:35:58.039 like gets to what you want it to you know what 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.960 i'm saying like yeah well the reaction time between 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.980 an automatic and manual versus like a cvt well 00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:08.539 a cvt doesn't have a shift it's just a band moving 00:36:08.539 --> 00:36:15.119 so you have cvts are weird voodoo magic goes 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.360 in one end voodoo magic comes out the other end 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.989 and then the car moves i I know enough about 00:36:20.989 --> 00:36:23.969 CVTs to say that I would hate them in any situation 00:36:23.969 --> 00:36:26.949 where I actually had to use them. But if I was 00:36:26.949 --> 00:36:29.929 just using it to drive from like a paved house 00:36:29.929 --> 00:36:35.269 to a paved work, it'd be fine. Yeah. Does that, 00:36:35.269 --> 00:36:38.250 I'm just in that, I'm just thinking from, does 00:36:38.250 --> 00:36:40.929 it cut down reaction time of like the trans, 00:36:41.030 --> 00:36:43.530 you know, I know it's not the transmission, but 00:36:43.530 --> 00:36:47.349 from that to wheels. Does it cut down reaction 00:36:47.349 --> 00:36:50.550 time? Or maybe because there is no shifting, 00:36:50.829 --> 00:36:56.329 it's always constant. Is Sienna CRV a CVT? It 00:36:56.329 --> 00:37:00.449 is. So you probably have more experience in a 00:37:00.449 --> 00:37:02.269 CVT than me, because I think I've been in one 00:37:02.269 --> 00:37:08.329 once in my life. So I couldn't tell you. Hmm. 00:37:08.550 --> 00:37:12.010 I mean, in... I mean, I don't know. There's a 00:37:12.010 --> 00:37:13.889 couple different theories I guess I could go 00:37:13.889 --> 00:37:15.550 around with this, but I don't know enough about 00:37:15.550 --> 00:37:20.130 it to speak on it. I think we all agree that 00:37:20.130 --> 00:37:23.969 automatics are plenty fine for off -roading. 00:37:24.150 --> 00:37:26.489 Especially if they have low gears and everything. 00:37:26.949 --> 00:37:29.670 I'm not going to say they're better than manuals 00:37:29.670 --> 00:37:32.030 because they're not. I prefer a manual when I'm 00:37:32.030 --> 00:37:35.030 wheeling because I can... physically tell that 00:37:35.030 --> 00:37:37.949 transmission exactly where I want it to go. Plus, 00:37:38.070 --> 00:37:40.449 if something happens and my starter goes out, 00:37:40.530 --> 00:37:44.230 I can always still start the vehicle. Yeah. Yeah, 00:37:44.289 --> 00:37:46.250 I mean, and I'm personally more comfortable in 00:37:46.250 --> 00:37:49.289 an automatic because, one, I don't want my hand 00:37:49.289 --> 00:37:52.250 on the fucking shift knob while I'm talking and 00:37:52.250 --> 00:37:56.550 at the same time trying to steer. It's just I 00:37:56.550 --> 00:37:58.590 don't have enough hands. I don't have the hand 00:37:58.590 --> 00:38:01.809 -eye coordination to make sure everything's going 00:38:01.809 --> 00:38:06.179 right. at the same time okay on that topic gavin 00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:11.179 how have you ever owned your own manual how many 00:38:11.179 --> 00:38:13.639 miles yeah i had one how many miles have you 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:17.000 put into a manual oh god i don't even know because 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.699 i've probably got like two or three hundred thousand 00:38:19.699 --> 00:38:22.780 miles okay more than that probably like i would 00:38:22.780 --> 00:38:24.880 say probably closer to five hundred thousand 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.349 miles behind a manual I would say probably 10 00:38:28.349 --> 00:38:31.429 ,000. I had one car with a manual. I had a bike 00:38:31.429 --> 00:38:34.969 with a manual. And then tractors. I had an old 00:38:34.969 --> 00:38:43.409 Ferg. I mean, I drive manual tractors every day, 00:38:43.449 --> 00:38:46.929 but I don't really count those. It counts. There's 00:38:46.929 --> 00:38:50.949 a clutch. But, you know, almost every vehicle 00:38:50.949 --> 00:38:53.329 I've ever owned was a manual. Aside from, I think, 00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:55.849 out of the 45 vehicles I've had, I think, like, 00:38:56.139 --> 00:38:59.699 12 of them were automatics. Yeah, I mean, if 00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:02.079 you're used to it, that's one thing. I would 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.460 say with me not being inherently used to it and 00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:08.360 then having the amount of experience that I have 00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:11.440 in automatics, switching straight to a manual 00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:15.840 right now would be like a disaster. I could be, 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.219 especially when I had my 442 going, I could be 00:39:19.219 --> 00:39:21.239 driving down the road, talking on the phone with 00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.690 one hand, eating a... eating fast food from McDonald's 00:39:24.690 --> 00:39:30.329 and still make my shifts. Like, I mean, you know, 00:39:30.329 --> 00:39:32.329 I've got a lot of time behind the wheel of a 00:39:32.329 --> 00:39:34.889 manual. So just that, I mean, that's probably 00:39:34.889 --> 00:39:37.170 why we have such different answers here because 00:39:37.170 --> 00:39:41.929 yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can't, I just can't imagine 00:39:41.929 --> 00:39:45.530 doing like an incline and cool, like just trying 00:39:45.530 --> 00:39:51.329 to like control your clutch, not stall out. uh 00:39:51.329 --> 00:39:54.070 climbing up something you know steep let's say 00:39:54.070 --> 00:39:57.309 like a rock but at the same time you're trying 00:39:57.309 --> 00:39:59.730 to pick your line your buddy's talking to you 00:39:59.730 --> 00:40:02.090 on the walk you talk you know and you're trying 00:40:02.090 --> 00:40:04.269 to talk back i'm like there's a lot of shit going 00:40:04.269 --> 00:40:06.449 on i must say i think for the most part really 00:40:06.449 --> 00:40:08.929 because i mean it's like me where i mainly shift 00:40:08.929 --> 00:40:12.550 my into a lower gear because i know i need that 00:40:12.550 --> 00:40:16.050 gear setting for that climb so that point is 00:40:16.050 --> 00:40:19.239 just you knowing what you need for certain obstacles 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:23.320 based off of experiences. And then on top of 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.780 that, with a manual, a lot of times if you're 00:40:26.780 --> 00:40:28.260 wheeling with a manual, you're going to have 00:40:28.260 --> 00:40:30.380 what's called a granny gear, and you could literally 00:40:30.380 --> 00:40:32.599 put it in the granny gear, drop the clutch, and 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:35.280 that vehicle's going to move. Like, it will not 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.960 stall. Like, my CJ dude, I could put that thing 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.340 in first. I didn't even have to. Well, I mean, 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:43.179 I had to press the clutch in, I guess. But it 00:40:43.179 --> 00:40:44.860 didn't matter. That thing was basically impossible 00:40:44.860 --> 00:40:50.699 to stall in first gear. Right. Yeah, that's my 00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:53.960 main concern on it. But again, yeah, like you 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.519 said, it would mostly play down to experience. 00:40:56.699 --> 00:41:01.099 But yes, moving on. Number seven, a winch will 00:41:01.099 --> 00:41:06.239 get you out of anything. No, no, no. Not quite. 00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:11.579 I mean, if I'm buried to my frame, I'm looking 00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:14.079 at like 20 ,000 pounds of pressure, and my 10 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.280 ,000 -pound winch is not getting me out of that. 00:41:18.670 --> 00:41:21.230 it might help it'll help it'll help a little 00:41:21.230 --> 00:41:24.510 bit yeah i mean i mean let me let me ask this 00:41:24.510 --> 00:41:30.230 then with that and then proper use of maintenance 00:41:30.230 --> 00:41:35.130 no no no like uh i'm trying to think of it like 00:41:35.130 --> 00:41:39.409 pulleys proper use of pulleys to double the double 00:41:39.409 --> 00:41:41.829 your strength when you're you know using it right 00:41:41.829 --> 00:41:46.730 you use a pulley um to double it back right I'm 00:41:46.730 --> 00:41:49.170 trying to remember exactly how to explain this. 00:41:49.289 --> 00:41:52.989 Yeah, so if you use a double back, that'd help 00:41:52.989 --> 00:41:58.010 a lot. So, like, you get a lot more out of it. 00:41:58.090 --> 00:42:01.030 And is it going to help you out the most? Absolutely. 00:42:01.030 --> 00:42:04.469 But, I mean, not even thinking about frame rails, 00:42:04.570 --> 00:42:07.969 if you get stuck in the sand, you get stuck in 00:42:07.969 --> 00:42:09.809 a place where you don't have any kind of winch 00:42:09.809 --> 00:42:12.730 point to, yeah, you're just stuck. They make 00:42:12.730 --> 00:42:15.449 land anchors, but land anchors are pretty big, 00:42:15.610 --> 00:42:19.710 and most, if not all, people don't carry those. 00:42:20.030 --> 00:42:22.289 That's when you want to be wheeling with a buddy, 00:42:22.389 --> 00:42:24.769 because then you always have an anchor point. 00:42:26.690 --> 00:42:29.849 Right. Or a buddy who could just carry your land 00:42:29.849 --> 00:42:32.289 anchor for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just get 00:42:32.289 --> 00:42:34.809 a buddy with a Tacoma or a full -size truck to 00:42:34.809 --> 00:42:38.650 put the land anchor in their bed. Yep. Or put 00:42:38.650 --> 00:42:43.170 it on their roof and have a... Nice little third 00:42:43.170 --> 00:42:48.730 -gen land anchor. Oh, man. Rooftop land anchor. 00:42:48.730 --> 00:42:52.510 Deployable off the back. RTLAs. Is that a button 00:42:52.510 --> 00:42:57.050 ejecto -cito? RTLAs, the newest fad. It's almost 00:42:57.050 --> 00:43:00.750 better than rooftop wheelbarrows. You got to 00:43:00.750 --> 00:43:02.969 make it, like, spring -activated so you press 00:43:02.969 --> 00:43:05.050 a button and it just launches the land anchor 00:43:05.050 --> 00:43:08.369 out behind you. All right, number eight. More 00:43:08.369 --> 00:43:10.690 horsepower means a better off -road vehicle. 00:43:12.139 --> 00:43:16.179 I don't know. After watching the freaking rock 00:43:16.179 --> 00:43:18.900 crawler just hammering it out and not getting 00:43:18.900 --> 00:43:24.039 anywhere? It depends. Because if you're looking 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.239 for a dune runner, more horsepower, way better. 00:43:27.380 --> 00:43:30.280 If you're looking for a rock crawler, hell, I've 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.500 seen rock crawlers that are powered by lawnmower 00:43:32.500 --> 00:43:35.559 engines and just super geared down from there. 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.440 There's a reason that the 22RE is one of, like, 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.019 the most sought -out engines to put in a rock 00:43:43.019 --> 00:43:47.239 crawler. They don't need a lot of power. They 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:52.480 just need torque. Yeah, we're thinking all around 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:56.179 here. Off -road, all around, I would say yes. 00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:03.440 I mean, yes, if we try to specific it, yeah. 00:44:04.019 --> 00:44:08.309 Yeah, I mean, yes, there are places. The thing 00:44:08.309 --> 00:44:11.409 is about having, you don't have to use that horsepower. 00:44:11.670 --> 00:44:15.130 I still think that torque, torque is the more 00:44:15.130 --> 00:44:18.050 important number there. Horsepower. Oh, I mean. 00:44:18.329 --> 00:44:21.030 Horsepower is only good for speed. Torque is 00:44:21.030 --> 00:44:24.550 what you really need off road. Yeah. Agreed. 00:44:24.570 --> 00:44:30.030 I would say this more of a generality. I'm just 00:44:30.030 --> 00:44:34.769 making up words here. But if you have more horse. 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.099 the chances that you have more torque are pretty 00:44:38.099 --> 00:44:40.599 decent. But at the same time, more horsepower 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.199 tends to mean more engine weight, which then 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:49.599 makes it worse for other reasons. Like, I really 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.920 want to say yes, more horsepower is always better. 00:44:53.500 --> 00:44:57.940 But really, even generally, somewhere in the 00:44:57.940 --> 00:45:01.099 middle is probably your best bet. I mean... Yeah, 00:45:01.139 --> 00:45:05.440 I mean, yeah. Yeah. An 800 -horse truck probably 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:10.920 doesn't need that. When I get my upcoming vehicle 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:14.179 that I'm looking at in June, July time, then 00:45:14.179 --> 00:45:17.159 we'll do some real -world testing and find out. 00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:26.840 So I'm going to use an example. I can't remember 00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:29.900 the channel, and if I do, we'll link it or put 00:45:29.900 --> 00:45:34.090 it in there. I want to say it was three days 00:45:34.090 --> 00:45:36.690 of hell or something like that. Oh, yeah, those 00:45:36.690 --> 00:45:40.150 guys are great. Yeah, they take their, there 00:45:40.150 --> 00:45:42.530 was one, it was like a supercharged LS Jeep, 00:45:42.590 --> 00:45:48.309 and he was not getting up that damn rock. And 00:45:48.309 --> 00:45:53.250 he sat there and got his tires hot as fuck, nice 00:45:53.250 --> 00:45:56.409 and sticky, and then just fucking bombed that 00:45:56.409 --> 00:45:58.889 rock and got up it. And I'm like, yeah, okay, 00:45:59.170 --> 00:46:02.219 horsepower might help here. And there are times 00:46:02.219 --> 00:46:05.420 in mud where horsepower does kind of help you 00:46:05.420 --> 00:46:09.480 get through the initial parts of it. But once 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.880 you're in the mud, horsepower probably isn't 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.579 your friend. Same thing with sand. It'll help 00:46:16.579 --> 00:46:18.579 you get across the sand. It's when you lose that 00:46:18.579 --> 00:46:21.739 momentum that horsepower does not help. See, 00:46:21.739 --> 00:46:25.519 I don't know. I don't know. I can't say that 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:27.039 horsepower means a better off -road vehicle. 00:46:27.260 --> 00:46:31.699 I don't think so. But. On that note, number nine, 00:46:31.820 --> 00:46:36.239 you need a snorkel to cross deep water. What's 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.920 deep? That is a good question. That's a good 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.400 question. And the next thing is you don't necessarily 00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:43.559 need a snorkel. You just need a way to keep your 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:46.719 intake dry. But you also need your intake to 00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:48.800 be sealed all the way from the point where it 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.219 starts taking in air to the point that it goes 00:46:51.219 --> 00:46:53.760 into your engine. Because if you've got a snorkel, 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.219 but it's got some kind of hole somewhere between 00:46:56.219 --> 00:46:59.889 the snorkel and the truck's actual intake. You're 00:46:59.889 --> 00:47:05.070 still going to suck in water. Well, let's use 00:47:05.070 --> 00:47:08.650 perfect world, completely sealed snorkel and 00:47:08.650 --> 00:47:14.070 intake versus just a typical. I mean, it also 00:47:14.070 --> 00:47:16.690 depends on vehicle. I mean, like with my FJ, 00:47:16.789 --> 00:47:22.750 my air box is very high up. So for most. I don't 00:47:22.750 --> 00:47:24.750 know about your intake. If the intake's like 00:47:24.750 --> 00:47:28.429 mine, it's just barely above the wheel. Yeah. 00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.699 Well, that is higher than most. Depending on 00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:36.800 what you're crossing. Compare that to the Trailhawk, 00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:41.260 where the intake is way low. Yeah, that's what 00:47:41.260 --> 00:47:47.659 I mean. They did that on purpose. I can't say... 00:47:47.659 --> 00:47:53.460 I was about to say, I think Connor's hole in 00:47:53.460 --> 00:47:57.119 my truck was a bit sketched to do. I technically 00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.280 should have had that. moved at some point or 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.340 move at a higher point than what we did at that 00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:05.679 i mean we definitely got your filter wet that 00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:15.539 trip yep so so i would i would say i would say 00:48:15.539 --> 00:48:21.159 yes and i'm only saying yes because having it 00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.639 is better than not that much more of it yeah 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:29.079 i mean it is i mean If you end up – so there's 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:32.719 that trail in Lake Superior on that trail up 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.800 in the UP that gets like five feet of water almost. 00:48:36.380 --> 00:48:39.079 Was it four or five feet of water? You're not 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:40.719 getting through that if you don't have a snorkel. 00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:44.280 And even if you do have a snorkel, you're not 00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:49.460 going to easily get through that. But, I mean, 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.340 the comparative, I mean, you're either not doing 00:48:52.340 --> 00:48:56.679 it or you're maybe going to do it. Do you want 00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.219 to flood your engine? Let's do number 10, and 00:48:59.219 --> 00:49:00.860 this will be our last one, and then we'll get 00:49:00.860 --> 00:49:03.780 into some housekeeping stuff. I had one more 00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:05.840 thing about snorkel. I got something I want to 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.099 try. I know I brought it up to you before, Alex. 00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:13.059 I want to move my intake into the cowl. I think 00:49:13.059 --> 00:49:15.059 it's a good idea. I kind of find out a lot of 00:49:15.059 --> 00:49:18.679 Jeeps do that. Yep. I think it's a good idea. 00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:21.679 You say cowl. Where the windshield wipers are 00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:28.539 for your air intake for your cab. Yep. So, yeah. 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.760 Yeah, as long as you have no water over your 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.320 hood, you should be good. Just do what they do 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.940 in mud trucks and move it inside the cab of the 00:49:36.940 --> 00:49:41.840 vehicle. Throw it right through the dash. Dude, 00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.599 I've seen mud trucks where it literally comes 00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:46.760 through the dash and sits in the middle between 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.659 the passenger and driver. yeah i mean there's 00:49:51.659 --> 00:49:54.059 there's a snorkel upgrade for the fj that brings 00:49:54.059 --> 00:49:57.260 it to the cowl yeah but at that point i'm like 00:49:57.260 --> 00:50:01.659 does it i mean is it really gonna it's like i 00:50:01.659 --> 00:50:03.639 don't know probably four or five inches higher 00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.039 it's a big difference where the intake it's a 00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.159 big difference it's a big difference because 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:10.940 uh with it being right in your tire just driving 00:50:10.940 --> 00:50:13.739 through water is gonna throw or we'll throw water 00:50:13.739 --> 00:50:16.179 up into it yep so it doesn't even necessarily 00:50:16.179 --> 00:50:20.599 no no yeah Like, I mean, I get that. Let's say, 00:50:20.699 --> 00:50:26.519 I'm more speaking from the, if I was to seal 00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:29.400 my intake, make sure everything was nice and 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:34.059 sealed today, and where it currently sits at 00:50:34.059 --> 00:50:38.400 versus where that cowl one does, I feel like 00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:43.469 it's only a few inches. of that extra like i 00:50:43.469 --> 00:50:46.949 it's not so much about the height as moving it 00:50:46.949 --> 00:50:50.989 from where it is because with it being in your 00:50:50.989 --> 00:50:53.530 wheel well like i said a small two inch puddle 00:50:53.530 --> 00:50:57.050 could waterlog your engine if you hit a two inch 00:50:57.050 --> 00:50:59.110 puddle fast enough you're gonna throw water right 00:50:59.110 --> 00:51:02.150 into the intake and boom she's done oh yeah right 00:51:02.150 --> 00:51:06.340 so but We'll do number 10 real quick. This will 00:51:06.340 --> 00:51:08.780 be the last one we do today, and we've got 10 00:51:08.780 --> 00:51:10.679 more, so we may as well do it again in the future. 00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:14.920 So, number 10. You need to mod your rig before 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:20.179 hitting the trails. No. I think the only mod, 00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.900 even though it's not technically a mod, would 00:51:22.900 --> 00:51:26.860 be tires, mostly. I wouldn't say that, yeah. 00:51:27.059 --> 00:51:30.320 Even factory tires on most rigs, just get out 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.400 and do it. True, true, true. Because... As you're 00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.739 doing it, you're going to find what needs upgraded. 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:39.840 Okay, I'm bombing through sand. I buried myself 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.260 because my tires suck. Next upgrade will be tires. 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.719 I forgot we wheeled with stock tires with my 00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:51.099 Tacoma, the first Tacoma, with no issues. And 00:51:51.099 --> 00:51:55.260 it did great. Yep. Yeah, I mean, all terrains. 00:51:55.300 --> 00:51:58.460 I had stock all terrains on mine. Wait, we never. 00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.239 At the end of the day. When did we wheel your 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:03.849 first Tacoma with? Stock tires. Literally like 00:52:03.849 --> 00:52:07.710 the first weekend. I don't remember that. We 00:52:07.710 --> 00:52:10.429 took it out to the prairie, or the power lines. 00:52:11.949 --> 00:52:14.590 Oh, that's right. Before they closed off the 00:52:14.590 --> 00:52:19.110 dip down and up. Because I had to wait and see 00:52:19.110 --> 00:52:20.949 if Alan actually made it up with his Trailhawk 00:52:20.949 --> 00:52:25.329 that weekend, too. Yeah, you're right. I remember 00:52:25.329 --> 00:52:30.510 that now. I say, we put those Baja bosses on 00:52:30.510 --> 00:52:32.409 that thing pretty quick. Yeah, we put it on just 00:52:32.409 --> 00:52:35.610 before the seven -hour plane crash trail. Like, 00:52:35.610 --> 00:52:37.829 I don't even think your truck was, I don't even 00:52:37.829 --> 00:52:39.849 think you had it two months before we put those 00:52:39.849 --> 00:52:42.190 tires on. Oh, 100%. It was a quick purchase. 00:52:42.250 --> 00:52:46.670 Like, hey, we got this trip. I need tires. Yeah. 00:52:47.429 --> 00:52:50.250 No, I mean, excluding tires, I think the answer 00:52:50.250 --> 00:52:54.070 is no. Yeah. Yeah, you don't need anything. I 00:52:54.070 --> 00:52:57.199 mean. If you just take tires out of it, because 00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.300 I wouldn't really count. I don't know. Yes, it's 00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:02.679 something added, but I don't know if I would 00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:09.920 say a mod. Stock Lexus GX was doing plenty good. 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:13.980 I mean, plenty of stock vehicle heights, stock 00:53:13.980 --> 00:53:18.739 cars can still go on trails, can still do, I 00:53:18.739 --> 00:53:22.070 mean, most stock Jeeps. I mean, with your stock 00:53:22.070 --> 00:53:24.289 alterings you get from the factory, you can still 00:53:24.289 --> 00:53:28.989 do plenty. So, yeah, I mean, definitely don't. 00:53:31.610 --> 00:53:37.869 Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I really am trying to 00:53:37.869 --> 00:53:39.550 think of anything you absolutely have to do. 00:53:40.510 --> 00:53:42.630 It's not necessarily a have to, but you should 00:53:42.630 --> 00:53:45.250 have some form of communications in the vehicle 00:53:45.250 --> 00:53:48.280 when you go out the first time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:50.500 Which I think is what we also did with that first 00:53:50.500 --> 00:53:56.440 time. Yep. And if you don't, for some reason, 00:53:56.500 --> 00:53:59.599 have a cell phone and you just carry a flip phone 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:06.260 around some form of navigation. Yeah. Yeah. As 00:54:06.260 --> 00:54:09.079 someone who sits flip phone, someone who's in 00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:11.639 that category, I definitely have a garment that 00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.679 I use almost daily. Okay. Daily. Cause it's my 00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:22.010 speedometer. Yeah, so, I mean, depending. If 00:54:22.010 --> 00:54:26.809 you don't have a flip phone, then you have a 00:54:26.809 --> 00:54:29.590 phone with navigation on it, then you're good. 00:54:31.349 --> 00:54:33.909 That would be the only thing I could think of, 00:54:34.030 --> 00:54:38.849 or some kind of communications. Yeah. Yeah, that's 00:54:38.849 --> 00:54:44.769 about it. Do we have any housekeeping to do before 00:54:44.769 --> 00:54:47.880 you do that? Housekeeping. Is there anything 00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:50.139 we need to talk about? Oh, third gen weekend 00:54:50.139 --> 00:54:54.619 is coming up. We're doing a third gen forerunner 00:54:54.619 --> 00:54:57.019 weekend. It's kind of an annual thing that we 00:54:57.019 --> 00:54:59.599 do as a group. I'm trying to remember the dates. 00:54:59.619 --> 00:55:02.980 One second, I'm pulling it up. Sometime in April. 00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.239 I made the event, and I cannot remember what 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:10.820 days it is. Yes, so April 25th through the 27th, 00:55:10.820 --> 00:55:13.519 we'll be doing third gen camping weekend up in 00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:17.440 Everett, Michigan. it will be a blast. It was 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:19.639 a blast last year, even though my 4Runner was 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.860 broken. I got an invite, even though I'm not 00:55:23.860 --> 00:55:27.360 even a third -gen man. Well, you could just be 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.219 there, but you're not going to be posted publicly 00:55:30.219 --> 00:55:32.440 about wheeling your vehicle if you even wheel 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:36.199 your vehicle. Yeah, if you want to come. If you 00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:38.599 want to come, that's great. I'll have an alternate 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:42.239 campsite across the way for any vehicle that 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:44.980 isn't cool enough to be a third gen. We'll have 00:55:44.980 --> 00:55:47.239 campfires and everything without you. It'll be 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:51.260 fun. That sounds fun to me. Hey, I'll be very 00:55:51.260 --> 00:55:55.960 much Tacoma, so. No, I mean, oh, you guys have 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.360 Rocks and Valleys this weekend with Derek, right? 00:55:58.579 --> 00:56:00.260 Yep, yep, yep. We're doing Rocks and Valleys. 00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:03.659 It'll be last week. It'll be the weekend before 00:56:03.659 --> 00:56:09.510 this comes out. Yeah. I'll be finalizing my navigation 00:56:09.510 --> 00:56:13.769 setup. I'll be putting my skid plates on, finally. 00:56:15.090 --> 00:56:18.250 I will be ordering a, well, I already did, but 00:56:18.250 --> 00:56:22.489 a new phone holder. Nice. Nice. Which one did 00:56:22.489 --> 00:56:27.090 you get? I got one from Amazon, and it was a 00:56:27.090 --> 00:56:29.070 little bit more expensive. It's not the bullet 00:56:29.070 --> 00:56:33.210 point one. It's, I don't know, it was like Streg 00:56:33.210 --> 00:56:35.090 or something. I don't even know how to say the 00:56:35.090 --> 00:56:39.179 name. Off -roam makes the best phone holder. 00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:41.920 Oh, 100%. Yeah, I was looking at them, too, and 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:43.880 I was just like, man, the price. It's worth the 00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:48.760 price. I get it, but still, I was like... It 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:54.400 held my phone in a rollover. I have to go looking 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:59.210 for my phone. I don't plan to roll over, so I 00:56:59.210 --> 00:57:02.369 don't need to worry about that. I figured out 00:57:02.369 --> 00:57:04.929 where his phone went the one time when we rolled. 00:57:05.010 --> 00:57:09.550 It's called STRG. It's like Strig, I guess. It 00:57:09.550 --> 00:57:16.349 kind of mimics the X -style ones that when you 00:57:16.349 --> 00:57:20.210 put them in, it kind of retains. I get really 00:57:20.210 --> 00:57:23.369 tired because I pull my phone in and out of my 00:57:23.369 --> 00:57:26.360 holder when I'm getting it out of my truck. I 00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:28.960 have one that clamps, and the ones that spring 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:32.619 clamp are just kind of annoying to try to rip 00:57:32.619 --> 00:57:35.619 my phone out of every time. They hold it, but 00:57:35.619 --> 00:57:38.599 when I'm trying to stop and take a look at maps 00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:40.659 or something, I don't really want to have to 00:57:40.659 --> 00:57:43.360 fight my phone holder. The spring clamp ones 00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:47.400 that I had before were so damn strong that it 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.769 almost ripped my... case off my phone trying 00:57:50.769 --> 00:57:53.489 to pull them out so i was just looking for something 00:57:53.489 --> 00:57:56.130 that's easy to throw in easy to get out that 00:57:56.130 --> 00:57:59.550 mounts onto my bracket i already have on there 00:57:59.550 --> 00:58:03.409 so let's we'll see the the off -room ones are 00:58:03.409 --> 00:58:05.650 nice because they're spring -loaded but they 00:58:05.650 --> 00:58:08.150 slide to one side easily enough so you just kind 00:58:08.150 --> 00:58:10.789 of push it that way and it comes right out right 00:58:10.789 --> 00:58:13.679 it's Most of the spring -mounted ones like that, 00:58:13.739 --> 00:58:16.000 I cannot stand because it's a pain in the butt 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:19.380 to get stuff out, but I don't see that with the 00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:24.079 off -roam. Are they the magnetic ones? No, no, 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:26.880 they're still spring -loaded ones. Oh, okay. 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:31.699 I love MagSafe mounts. That is the way to go 00:58:31.699 --> 00:58:33.860 for a phone, but for a Zune, it doesn't work. 00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:39.460 I can't see them now. I was just looking at them. 00:58:40.329 --> 00:58:46.010 Yeah, that's kind of similar to what I had before. 00:58:46.250 --> 00:58:49.829 See, and I've used a lot of them that way, and 00:58:49.829 --> 00:58:51.449 I hate them because it's a fight to get your 00:58:51.449 --> 00:58:53.949 phone out. But it's not like that with the off 00:58:53.949 --> 00:58:56.190 -roam. No. I don't know what they do different, 00:58:56.289 --> 00:58:58.349 but the off -roam is not hard to get your phone 00:58:58.349 --> 00:59:04.849 in and out of. But I have a X -mount, kind of 00:59:04.849 --> 00:59:08.309 like the STRG, and I absolutely hate getting 00:59:08.309 --> 00:59:11.780 my... tablet in and out of that i actually got 00:59:11.780 --> 00:59:14.679 rid of it and went more to the spring style which 00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:18.059 i also hate getting my tablet in and out of because 00:59:18.059 --> 00:59:21.400 it is a lot harder than the off room it is garbage 00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:25.639 yeah yeah we'll see i for me i had to get my 00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:29.420 it was nice with my other case that i had um 00:59:29.420 --> 00:59:31.239 where i could just slide my phone through the 00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:33.360 top of it and then just pull it out through the 00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.880 top But with a different case, you know, with 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.840 just the thicker cases and stuff, it doesn't 00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:42.159 slide out. So I have to adjust the knob every 00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:47.059 time. Now, the best way to hold it is MagSafe. 00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:50.019 You get MagSafe, you get a MagSafe adapter for 00:59:50.019 --> 00:59:51.960 an Android phone or an iPhone. Either way, I'd 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:54.900 put a MagSafe adapter. It more than doubles the 00:59:54.900 --> 00:59:56.900 magnet strength than what the factory magnet 00:59:56.900 --> 01:00:00.599 is. And I use that with my tablet through all 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.059 of... Drummond Island, and the only reason my 01:00:04.059 --> 01:00:06.920 tablet ever fell was because my dog's big -ass 01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:09.880 head hit it a couple times. Yep. Makes sense, 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.139 for sure. I have a kid, so his big -ass head 01:00:13.139 --> 01:00:16.760 would probably hit it too. If your kid is sitting 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.079 on your dashboard, I think you've got other problems. 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.099 Yeah, I don't know if you've had a one -year 01:00:24.099 --> 01:00:26.300 -old before, but they're definitely dashboard 01:00:26.300 --> 01:00:28.800 puppies. Nope, I definitely wouldn't. Or they 01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.059 try to yank your steering wheel while you're 01:00:30.059 --> 01:00:33.320 trying to wheel. I definitely went from no kids 01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:35.139 to a three -year -old, so I have not had that 01:00:35.139 --> 01:00:38.800 experience. It's not fun. It's not fun when they 01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:41.340 don't understand that this could really fuck 01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:46.619 up your day. But, yeah, on that note, this was... 01:00:46.619 --> 01:00:49.800 I kind of like this chat jippity topic here. 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.300 This was kind of fun. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. 01:00:52.860 --> 01:00:57.340 We'll do some more of it, and we'll see. On that 01:00:57.340 --> 01:01:00.079 note, we'll talk to you guys later. Later. Yep, 01:01:00.139 --> 01:01:00.539 later.