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Welcome to Botches Off-Road.

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Join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, tent camping to

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rock landing, and all things to do with the outdoors.

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And again, not tank camping.

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As fun as tank camping would be.

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So out of all, so you're pretty tank first.

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What would be your tank of choice for tank camping?

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I think the Ripsaw would be kind of good.

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Yeah, it has a performance there.

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I think I would have to go with a classic like a T1.

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They're small, they're light, they can fit through most of Michigan trails.

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Yeah.

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They've got pretty high clearance.

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I would agree with that.

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Like a smaller tank, I wouldn't go medium or large.

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Yeah, no, I really think I'd have to go with an old T1.

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And you know, I like my old rigs anyway.

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Although the artillery tanks would be kind of dope because they got the opening and you

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just got to throw a tarp over it.

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Yeah, you're right.

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That would be pretty sick.

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I don't know, man.

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Any tank with a rooftop tent on it, I am fucking down.

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Rooftop tents don't, I'll say it now.

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Rooftop tents don't belong on forerunners.

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They belong on tanks.

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Can you just imagine just putting up your hatch goes right into the rooftop tent you

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put the rooftop tent up.

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An up armored rooftop tent.

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So that's funny.

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So now you can you can get shot and everything and you're just good to go.

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Oh, it'd be beautiful.

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Oh, morning alarms.

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Okay.

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So a little weekend recap.

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So I got baby birds on Friday.

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We were supposed to have a Friday night work night.

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Yeah, but my baby birds kept getting pushed back and then they didn't get here.

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What was it like seven o'clock by the time they arrived?

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I mean, it was late.

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So that kind of yeah, that kind of ruined our Friday night work night.

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Yeah, I also I wasn't feeling that day either.

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Yeah.

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So Friday night work night turned into me working alone in between baby bird checks.

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I got most of the wiring done for the trailer.

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Still got a little bit to do.

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Still need to cut that platform and weld it on to hold the battery.

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Yeah.

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Though I I had an idea the other day for decking and now I don't remember what my idea was

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and that really makes me upset because I'm trying to figure out a way to make it cheaper

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leading up to our first trip.

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Just just to have a deck on there.

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Even if we did plywood would be okay.

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Yeah, we just like will fit.

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We'll fix it in the future.

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But yeah, at least we get like a thick piece of plywood.

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We should be fine.

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Just something to get us through for a little bit.

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Yeah, just loading a bunch of stuff on it.

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Yeah, we just got to write.

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Not not the the composite board, but like true plywood.

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I think that we can get a four by eight sheet for a pretty decent price compared to doing

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a full deck.

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At least for the leather would trip.

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Yeah, because we're broke boys and we keep having stuff come up that needs paid for.

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Yeah, especially since I guess sleeping system now or not.

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Not sleeping system, a ticket system now.

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It'd be pretty sick to have it before.

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Oh, hey, third gen weekend.

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All third gen for runners in the Midwest.

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We are having a third gen weekend, April 25th, 26th and 27th.

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Come on up to Everett, Michigan.

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We're going to meet at Westco in Everett around probably four or five that Friday.

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And then we'll go out to a campsite and Saturday we'll do a little bit of wheeling.

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I'm thinking Saturday night we'll do like a potluck dinner kind of thing.

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And then Sunday we are going to convoy down to the first Rigs and Coffee for the season.

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Nice.

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So the first one's in April, not March.

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Let me double check this.

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I was about to say, I literally meant to look into this because the conversation was bought

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up in the Rigs and Coffee chat and then I totally forgot that you will look into it.

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No, I swear that the first one is the same weekend as our third gen weekend.

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So I could be wrong.

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Huh.

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Look at that.

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March 23rd.

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That's coming up quick.

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The second one.

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Yes, it is.

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So the second Rigs and Coffee of the season, we will convoy down for that.

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But, I mean, it should be a good weekend.

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Last year was pretty fun even though I broke my 4Runner on the way to the campsite.

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It never went to the trails.

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Never made it to a trail.

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It hit a dirt road and broke.

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So a 2.5 generation Tacoma was wheeling that third gen weekend.

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It wasn't even a third gen Tacoma.

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Like come on man.

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That's what I said, a 2.5 gen rounded up.

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Yeah, but it was fun last year.

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We got, we'll have the third gen trophy of carnage with us this year.

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You got to get your brother to weld that stuff together.

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I can't believe it's been almost a year since our last third gen weekend.

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Yeah, crazy.

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But this one's a little bit earlier.

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I think last year's was in August.

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September.

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Oh, September.

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So what has it been?

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Yeah, we originally planned for August and then we backed it out or backed it up a little

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bit or something like that.

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So I guess it hasn't quite been almost a year.

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This one got, excuse me, this one got moved up because one of the core botches third gens,

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he's going to be deployed with the Navy.

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So we're doing it a little bit earlier than normal.

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It shouldn't be too cold, but it'll be definitely cooler than normal.

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A normal third gen weekend anyway.

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And I plan on sleeping in my newly rediscovered army tent that apparently I've had this whole

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time.

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It's a super sick single person.

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It's not really a bivy tent.

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No.

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But still a single person tent fits on top of a cot, can be strapped to an army cot.

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I mean, super sick tent.

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And it gives me on either side, it's got wings that give about three foot of dry storage

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for gear.

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So I mean, it'll be perfect for me as an individual.

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And hopefully we can get Mark one before third gen weekend.

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I'm probably going to purchase them this week, at least through Afterpay.

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Nice, nice.

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Make it future Mark's problem.

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I like it.

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That's what I do.

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Future Alex.

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Oh man, he's going to hate me because I spent a lot of money on Afterpay this weekend.

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Kurt Mark's trying to figure out how future Mark's going to get everything figured out

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by Leatherwood, but we're getting there.

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Future Alex sat down and realized he can't do half of what he wanted to do before Leatherwood.

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Like the fact that the 37s will not be on the truck by Leatherwood.

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Yeah, that's probably when we get back from Leatherwood, we'll sit down and do the tubbing

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for that.

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I do kind of want to put them on this weekend after we put the new springs and shocks on

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the back and just see how bad they rub.

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I also think we're going to ditch my spacers this weekend.

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Nice.

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Which have been a feature of my truck since I bought it.

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And I like the stance, but I think that part of that shake I'm experiencing might be a

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spacer that's starting to break down.

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I can believe that.

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I mean, those things are old, man, and I've put them through hell.

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So I wouldn't be surprised if I've got a spacer that's on its way out.

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Yeah, so that's kind of my weekend recap and a little bit of forward recap.

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Did we talk about Rocks and Valleys?

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Was that when we started recording and then screwed up and started over?

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We haven't talked about it yet in this one.

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Okay, okay.

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So I'll let you give your weekend recap and then we'll get into all that.

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So I had fun in the hockey game.

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That was quite experience.

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I knew that the tickets were going to be on rake level, but I didn't realize it was going

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to be by the goalie in the corner.

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So that's going to be way awesome.

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I'm super jealous that your work gets tickets like that.

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My work's over here like, oh, you can go to a Turkey conference and talk to other Turkey

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razors.

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And then Mark's works like, hey, who wants tickets to go watch hockey?

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My mom was quite surprised by it.

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She knew about the tickets, but I didn't tell her when we were going to get them or if I

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was going to get them.

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Gotcha.

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So it was a total surprise for her.

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That's awesome, man.

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Although I failed to realize what game the theme of the game was going to be is Star

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Wars night.

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Oh, shit.

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You could have had a lightsaber.

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Oh, yeah.

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You could have been wearing a freaking Jedi robe.

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I'm going to fucking laugh.

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Yeah.

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So they got all the parody songs to Star Wars.

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Do they still do a dog night?

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I would assume they would.

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Because I remember a few, like 2015, it's been years.

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Yeah, I remember they they did a dog night where everyone could bring their dogs in for

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a hockey game.

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Mercy would absolutely hate it and Wrangler would be going ballistic the whole time.

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Yeah, I can see that.

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But yeah, dogs are cool, man.

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Did you see the complete topic change?

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I'm yeah, for the listeners, I'm very out of it today.

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Did you see that forerunner that Derek Becker posted?

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Yep.

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Yeah, I if I had 17 grand, I would probably buy it.

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It's got ADS all the way around long travel in the front.

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He says long travel in the rear, but I don't know what that means because it's got a solid

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rear axle.

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Who knows?

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But yeah, who knows what that means?

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Probably extended travel of some kind, maybe extended travel shocks.

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Marketing.

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It is Midwest 4x4.

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But man, it is so pretty.

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The front two bumper on that.

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I just I should have went that route instead of the bumper I've got.

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So it's not a good.

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That's not even a trail gear bumper on that white forerunner though.

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Oh, it's not?

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No, it's a completely different bumper.

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And it's supercharged with 488.

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I mean, it's it checks all my boxes for what I plan to do to mine.

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And it's tubbed for 37s.

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Oh, yeah.

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I really didn't do it too much, but yeah.

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I mean, it's got all the stuff and he's like, probably the best built forerunner in Michigan.

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And I'm like, for now, for now, for now.

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No, it's a beautiful build, man.

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I love the I love the retro Toyota graphics on the back.

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I agree with that.

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I like the white.

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Yeah, someday.

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It's like forerunner goals, you know.

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I bet you that thing fucking rips.

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Probably does.

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We wouldn't be surprised.

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Did you see that Duncan recently bought a TRD supercharger?

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I saw something about it, but I didn't look into it.

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So yeah, we're going to have a supercharged third gen forerunner in the botches soon.

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It is that thing's going to be on ADS shocks, too.

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So he's not going to be too far away from no.

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No, no.

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I need to step up my game.

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I'm falling behind.

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I don't know, you're the pinnacle around here for a good bit.

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Yeah, with my.

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But I haven't done anything like all we've done is maintenance and frame repair.

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I know.

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Like I'm chasing my tail so bad right now.

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But we'll get there.

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I think we're ahead of most of it right now.

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Yeah, about say for the year of building for us, because this is definitely a year of getting

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our rigs built 100 percent or getting there.

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Yeah, I need to.

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Maybe we'll put that long travel on my forerunner and see how it is.

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Yeah, because I I do have long travel and I've been kind of planning on putting it on

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the chimera build, but I'd kind of like to put it on the forerunner and see how it does

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daily driving wise.

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Yeah, I mean, worst case, we just take it back off and put it back on the other.

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Yeah, because we can put my front end on the chimera build with my gusseted knuckles and

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all that.

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So that builds going to be a little bit anyway.

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So you try out for a month or so and see how you like it.

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So yeah, that's what I'm thinking is throw it on, see how it is.

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If it is OK as a daily driver with it, probably keep it.

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Yeah, but if I hate it daily driving, then it's got to go.

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Yeah.

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And I need to I've been kind of pricing out icon shocks for the front.

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I was going to try and get those before Leatherwood, but now that I'm looking at it, there ain't

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no way.

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Yeah, like there really ain't no way.

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I've got two months.

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That's fifteen hundred dollars.

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I don't have right now, so how can I expect to have it in the next two months?

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Yeah, but.

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That's that's me too.

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I think I'm going to get at least most of the navigation setup finalized.

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I don't know if I'm going to get all that 100 percent, but let's get the main GPS unit

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in.

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I don't know, man.

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I think you could easily have it all done.

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Yeah, I mean, because I also got a factor in getting the winch still.

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Oh, yeah, you have the winch.

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Even if you just bought a cheaper tablet to use now and then.

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Yeah, I could do that too, because I could send you that Samsung tablet I'm running.

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That thing's fine.

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I mean, I'm not it's no speed demon in it.

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I just hate to buy more.

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I just hate to buy another mount based off of what I could find mount wise.

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Just get a cheap one off Amazon and run it for now.

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I mean, it's like I said, it's not a huge and it's not like we won't use that mount

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somewhere else.

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Yeah, you're right.

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You're right.

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It could get put in the camera at some point.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, I mean, we've got to use for another mount, so it's not like.

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Yeah.

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And then even that cheaper tablet you buy could end up in the camera at some point.

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Yeah.

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But because I won't be getting a new tablet before Leatherwood.

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There ain't no way.

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I do need to.

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I just know the tablet I'm looking at is quite the pricey one.

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So I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to get that one in.

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It is.

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And that's the one that I want.

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But I do need to figure out a way to make my tablet more stable because it is driving

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me absolutely nuts.

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But we'll get there.

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Maybe I still need to take my dash apart and hide wires.

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So yeah, it's it's quite the process getting these trucks built, especially when we're

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broke all the fricking time.

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Also doesn't help as I blew all the good amount of money on a new bumper, but I need it.

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Dude, you needed a bumper that.

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Oh my God.

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You didn't plan on doing that bumper, though.

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No, you planned on kind of waiting a little while.

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I was going to tough it out.

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But after this new year, like, all right, I got to get a new bumper.

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I saw a picture before the New Year's trip and your bumper was already pulled forward

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before that trip.

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I think it was too, but I think it just got a whole lot worse from the trip.

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Yeah.

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That's going to be quite the process getting that straight and back out.

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Yes, that is going to be quite the process.

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Because we actually you bet your frame horn, right?

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So it's pretty much like the mounting surface got pulled where the bolts are at.

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So I think we just got to like tap it back in somehow.

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I don't know.

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It's a matter of putting a wood block and just hammering back flat and then have Alan

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beat around the whole thing again, like someone the welds might have broke.

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Or we could get a pair of vice grips and put like a breaker bar on them and kind of

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pull back on it.

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Yeah.

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I haven't figured out how we're going to do that yet, but we got to figure out how to

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straighten it out.

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Yeah, that'll be quite the process.

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Yeah.

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Did I tell you what my plan is for doing the 4Runner rear end swap this weekend?

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No.

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We're going to lift it up with the loader.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember.

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Do chains to the shackles on the rear bumper and just lift up and then that way we don't

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have to jack it.

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All right, Alan, we're going to test your welds tonight.

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Let's see how screwed Alex Fram will be.

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It'll be really fun getting that done.

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This weekend should be a really fun weekend in general.

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Yep.

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And then next weekend go into rocks and valleys with MST.

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Yep.

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Happy birthday, Joe and happy birthday, Derek.

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Yeah, I that's probably one of my favorite events they do actually.

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Oh, yeah, that's a good area too.

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They had a lot of stuff when we first went there.

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That's a good testing for the new truck as well.

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Oh, that was right after you got the new Tacoma.

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Like within a couple months, right?

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Weeks.

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Weeks.

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Oh, fuck.

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You didn't.

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You wasted no time getting that thing scratched up and dented.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And twisties and all that.

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No, it'll be a really fun trip.

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But all right, man, you ready to move on to the hour?

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Yeah, might as well.

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All right.

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Well, we will catch you guys later.

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I hope that this little what ended up being a 21 minute episode is going to be decent

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enough for a Friday.

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So catch you later.

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Later.

