1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:17,840 Welcome to Botches Off-Road. 2 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,040 Join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, tent camping to 3 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,560 rock landing and all things to do with the outdoors. 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,240 We've got a little hour episode today. 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:33,160 We're going to talk about some of our upcoming plans, maybe just kind of chit chat and catch 6 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:34,160 up. 7 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:39,320 It's going to be a pretty chill episode today. 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:45,160 I think we'll, I kind of want to start off with Mark because he's had the most entertaining 9 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:47,640 couple of weeks I guess. 10 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,640 Yeah. 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,300 Yeah, it feels like I haven't talked to you guys in so long because we did that radio 12 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:56,640 chatter episode. 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,360 We didn't really talk about updates and stuff, so it just feels like it's been a while. 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,920 It has been a while. 15 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,440 That's what I was just thinking about last weekend. 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,360 Where do I start? 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,000 Well first we were start of our trailer build. 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,960 If you're on Insta or is it on Facebook too for a Facebook profile? 19 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:19,120 You know, I don't think so, but it definitely should be. 20 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,120 Okay. 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:26,400 Well at least on our Instagram page we started, we took some pictures of our progress so far. 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:32,720 But in the middle of that weekend of us starting, I went to go pick up some trailer lights and 23 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,200 that was over by St. John's area. 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,360 That day the park was open for the St. John's off-road parks. 25 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,840 Like, well, I'm over here. 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,880 I might as well swing by and see the park and see what they added on and all that. 27 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:53,160 Mind you, I specifically told him, Mark, you probably shouldn't go to St. John's because 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,600 you're not going to have a whole lot of time there. 29 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,360 I had more than enough time. 30 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,160 Yeah. 31 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,160 Made that apparent. 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,640 Well, okay. 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:10,000 I thought I had enough time, which I did if I didn't mess up stuff. 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,800 Alex was helping a neighbor, was it? 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,800 Yeah. 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:15,800 We'll go with neighbor. 37 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,800 Yeah. 38 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,800 Helping a neighbor with breaks. 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,600 So I was like, ah, I'm going to be a little bit before we even get to the trailer anyways. 40 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:26,520 So I'm like, ah, I'm going to spend my day over there, which I did. 41 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,860 But now they have a loop now. 42 00:02:30,860 --> 00:02:35,560 It's a little track that they just added at the beginning of the next new section of the 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,280 park. 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,440 And they have whoops in the one stretch. 45 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,440 My last lap for the day, I was going to just avoid the loops and go around because they 46 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,560 were able to go around and do it. 47 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:54,280 What it was is that they had a giant tractor tire, mainly, let me iterate on tractors, 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:03:01,680 like the construction's tractor tires on the side of the one loop or the whoop. 49 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,400 I went to go around it and I thought I cleared it. 50 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,320 Next thing you know, I bounced off it and I guess I sent it flying into the field a 51 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,440 little bit. 52 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,120 Mind you, he hit it with his driver's side. 53 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:19,760 So somehow he completely missed all of this going on on the side he was sitting on. 54 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:20,760 Yep. 55 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:27,040 I proceeded to go another lap thinking I didn't do anything besides just bounce off it. 56 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,080 And then I realized my steering was way out of whack. 57 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:37,360 And mind you, I just got done with a rack opinion not too long ago. 58 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:42,720 So I was like, ah, shoot, did I just break tie rods or really miss up my rack opinion? 59 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,720 So I pulled over into the little parking lot and was working on it. 60 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,600 Everyone there that day was trying to help me figure out what was wrong. 61 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,360 I couldn't for the life of me figure out what was wrong. 62 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:02,080 I think it was either my spindle was bent, which I couldn't tell if it was bent or not 63 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:08,720 because of where it was at, or my upper control arm got messed up. 64 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,320 But even then I still couldn't tell how it was positioned. 65 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,680 Spoiler alert, it was both. 66 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,840 Did we determine the upper was destroyed besides just the ball joint? 67 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:21,480 Yeah, the upper was. 68 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,480 Okay. 69 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,280 I didn't think it was. 70 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:27,120 Yeah, you bent your upper and you bent your spindle. 71 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Okay. 72 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,520 Well, the main one was the spindle, but anyways. 73 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:38,800 So then I proceeded to wait a little bit after I got done messing around with stuff trying 74 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:45,320 to get it to be road worthy while I was doing that, I called my brother, told him what was 75 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:50,160 going on and then he received a get hold of Alex and then Alex got a hold of me. 76 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,600 I'm like, yeah, I think I need to be trailered out. 77 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,600 I don't think this is road worthy at all. 78 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,840 I don't feel like missing up the truck anymore than it already was. 79 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:03,880 Yeah. 80 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:09,500 So long story short, we got to working on the trailer at like 10 o'clock at night instead 81 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:11,640 of five. 82 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:12,640 Yeah. 83 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Yeah. 84 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:22,760 But I ended up re this last weekend, end up rebuilding the whole front end. 85 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:30,040 I got new lower control arms, got new upper, got one new spindle. 86 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,200 Gusseted the spindles. 87 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:38,000 I wasn't sure if my lower was messed up or the upper, but I was like, Hey, I'm already 88 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 here. 89 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 I have no idea what's actually broke. 90 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,560 So I might as well replace everything at one go. 91 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,360 Oh, and also I broke a CV axle. 92 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,360 We discovered. 93 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,360 Yep. 94 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,360 He did break a CV axle. 95 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,360 Yep. 96 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,360 Holy shit. 97 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,360 Yeah. 98 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,360 Yeah. 99 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:53,800 It was quite the impact. 100 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:59,000 I'm surprised that my inner or outer tie rod on that side did not break though. 101 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,400 I was pleasantly surprised by that one. 102 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:03,400 Yeah. 103 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:09,760 So no, no tie rods were fine. 104 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,760 Yep. 105 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:11,760 Wow. 106 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:17,120 That's a lot of, a lot of impact for just a tractor tire. 107 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,640 You know, I know that they're big, but damn. 108 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:21,640 Yep. 109 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:27,840 Um, while we're at it, we also discovered, I don't know from the accident or was already 110 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:31,120 bent, but my bill scenes up front or bent. 111 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,160 Oh shit. 112 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,160 So ironically, both of them. 113 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,160 Yep. 114 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,680 Driver side was worse than the driver. 115 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:39,680 Yeah. 116 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:40,680 Pastors side was worse than the driver. 117 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,640 That sounds like something that was probably already, already there. 118 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:46,640 Oh yeah. 119 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,200 We think it was already that way. 120 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,200 Yeah. 121 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,200 It's. 122 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,200 Wow. 123 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,200 Luckily. 124 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,600 Trying to think of when he did that this summer. 125 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:57,600 Hmm. 126 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,760 I don't think it's from me wheeling personally. 127 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,800 I think it's design quality. 128 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,320 So if you see how the bill scenes are made, they've basically got a stick, the size of 129 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:14,200 a plastic straw that goes off the bottom of the shock and then goes down to get mounted. 130 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,920 Yep. 131 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,720 Like it is not a durable design at all. 132 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:19,720 No. 133 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,840 And we'll, uh, we'll just use the picture of a bill scene shock for a chapter art. 134 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Yeah. 135 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,440 But is it, was it the lower side that you said? 136 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,440 Yes. 137 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,440 You said a stick. 138 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,440 So I'm assuming the lower end. 139 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,440 The lower part. 140 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,440 Yep. 141 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,440 Yep. 142 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:36,440 Hmm. 143 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,440 It literally looks like a straw. 144 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Yeah. 145 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,600 But which, uh, which bill scenes were these? 146 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:44,600 I have no idea. 147 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:45,600 I have no idea. 148 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:46,600 There's 5,100. 149 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,600 5,100. 150 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,600 Yep. 151 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,600 Luckily, Alex has the icon shocks. 152 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,080 He's been talking about for a while. 153 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,080 He discovered that. 154 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,520 He stole my $200 icons. 155 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:04,360 No, you know, we discovered the front one weren't going to work for the third gen forerunner 156 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,240 like you thought it was going to. 157 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,240 Yeah. 158 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,640 But not without major mods. 159 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:09,640 I know. 160 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:10,640 Yep. 161 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,200 So luckily between, cause that was for a fifth gen. 162 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,200 Yeah. 163 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Fifth gen forerunner. 164 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:23,520 Luckily for fifth gen forerunners and second gen Tacoma's, they shared the same, um, dimension. 165 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,080 So I was able to get the man to the front end about buying new shocks. 166 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,080 Yeah. 167 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:34,480 Here, Gavin, I got a, I'll send you a link to some so you can look at them. 168 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,480 These are, yeah. 169 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:36,480 Yeah. 170 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,480 You have bill scenes on yours. 171 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,480 Oh yeah. 172 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:44,080 So yeah, you, you are a susceptible subset, susceptible. 173 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,080 Wow. 174 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,400 That's a hard word to say. 175 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,680 Yours would very likely do the same thing. 176 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:56,280 Um, and honestly looking at how that little tiny stick is, it probably wouldn't take a 177 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,320 whole lot of force to cause them to bend. 178 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,000 No. 179 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,560 So yeah, we're compare that to like the icons. 180 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:14,400 The icons are a solid bit from the bottom of the shock down to the mounting location. 181 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,760 Yeah. 182 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:28,560 So it can't bend that the way that it does on the, uh, the bill scene. 183 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,400 Yeah. 184 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,400 But as- 185 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,400 That's interesting. 186 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:40,520 I, uh, I don't remember mine having that, that long on mine. 187 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,920 I guess the bigger question on yours is factory bill scenes. 188 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,440 I know a lot of Toyotas came with factory bill scenes. 189 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,440 No. 190 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:57,600 But the minor, um, I want to say 6112s, um, which I think they're like a two, two inch. 191 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,480 Um, I'll have to double check on that. 192 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,480 Yeah. 193 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,480 I'm pretty sure. 194 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,400 I'm pretty sure there are 6112. 195 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,040 And I don't think they, I don't think they make 6120s. 196 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:17,000 The 61, the 6112 has a beefier looking, um, stick on the bottom, but there's still a stick 197 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,000 there. 198 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Yeah. 199 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:28,960 I mean, uh, yeah, I have the 6112s in the front, 5160s in the back, but I really haven't 200 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,720 had any real issues with them either though. 201 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,720 So I don't know. 202 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:40,080 I mean, Mark's up until this happened, Mark's only real issue was it was over sprung. 203 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,080 Oh yeah. 204 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,720 So we never, you know, it never noticed that it was bent until he took it off. 205 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,080 But with it being bent, it would have been forcing that lower control arm in a different 206 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,080 angle. 207 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,080 Oh yeah. 208 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,080 Okay. 209 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,080 I see. 210 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,360 That's the other thing I noticed right away after we put the icons on, it's a lot softer 211 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,800 right compared to the Bilstein's. 212 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,160 And it's, it's level now. 213 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,160 Yes. 214 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,160 It does sit level now. 215 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:10,040 Um, still got Bilstein's in the back and you can feel that back really bad, but it really 216 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,800 shows the difference between brands and shocks and everything. 217 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,720 And those are just there till you buy a new icon. 218 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,800 Well and I'm just, uh, I guess I'm trying to play devil's advocate for Bilstein, but 219 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,760 aren't they valved differently too though? 220 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,040 Well yeah, Bilstein's don't, I don't even think Bilstein's use oil. 221 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,840 I think they're nitrogen charged. 222 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,520 No, they're oil. 223 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:36,520 Are they? 224 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:37,520 They're yeah. 225 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:43,560 I mean, unless you have the stock ones, which are like the yellow and blue, but you said, 226 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:44,840 uh, they're silver and blue. 227 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,240 They're not that one. 228 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,240 Yeah. 229 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:56,840 Cause, uh, I, but yeah, um, icon is, yeah, they are valve differently. 230 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,960 Um, he does definitely need to get the icon rears. 231 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:00,960 Hmm. 232 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:01,960 Yeah. 233 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,200 I think icon are progressive, aren't they? 234 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,200 Yes. 235 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:10,720 No, the other one, I thought you said icons were, I don't remember. 236 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,040 Dang it. 237 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,880 I just know that they were a good deal for what I paid for them. 238 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:17,880 Right. 239 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,880 Right. 240 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:19,880 They're digressive. 241 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,320 Icons are digressive. 242 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,800 Okay. 243 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:30,400 Then the Bilstein to be progressive. 244 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,680 I believe that is how that works. 245 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:36,120 But at this point, me and Alex both contest. 246 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,760 If you're going to wheel your Toyota's and wheel like we do, you're going to want to 247 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,640 gust at your spindle arms for sure. 248 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:48,320 Actually, just in general, if you have a Toyota, you should probably gust at your spindles. 249 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,240 Cause I was just driving on a normal dirt road and broke mine. 250 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:58,560 You're not going to count everything you've done to it so far. 251 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:00,800 Bilstein is also digressive. 252 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:01,800 Hmm. 253 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,200 Oh, they're both digressive. 254 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,760 Yep. 255 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,680 Well, color me purple. 256 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:13,560 More we learn. 257 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:18,000 I will be the first one to tell you, I don't know a whole lot about shocks and how they 258 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000 work. 259 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:25,360 All I know is I kind of definitely a better ride than the Bilstein's have been. 260 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,360 A hundred percent, dude. 261 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:34,120 Well and again, maybe you were feeling some of that ride with them being somewhat bent 262 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,120 to. 263 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,120 Who knows? 264 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,120 Right. 265 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:46,000 Cause at that point with them being with them being bent, wouldn't that further extend them 266 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,800 other way? 267 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,400 It wouldn't allow the control arm to go as low as it should have. 268 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,400 Yeah. 269 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,400 Oh yeah. 270 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:55,400 Okay. 271 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:00,480 The thing was, I think ever since I got the truck, it was the first thing Alex says like, 272 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,120 man, this kind of rides low sprungy. 273 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,120 Yeah. 274 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:10,680 Like first thing I told him was these are over sprung. 275 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:17,280 It felt like you were sitting on a board going over rocks without any type of impact protection. 276 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,280 Yep. 277 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,280 Hmm. 278 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,280 Yeah. 279 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,200 But it's interesting. 280 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,240 That is a thing of the past now, I hope. 281 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,240 Right. 282 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,240 Right. 283 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:39,640 Cause we've got three icon rears, so he's got to buy one new rear for his. 284 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,480 And then we both got icons for the rear. 285 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:43,480 Yeah. 286 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,480 Right. 287 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,360 And I've got everything to rebuild the back of my truck right now, except for upper and 288 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:56,800 lower control arms for the rear end, which I'm going to order on Friday. 289 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:02,920 I just need a new lease springs. 290 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,920 Right. 291 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,920 And a shock. 292 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,480 That too. 293 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,520 That hopefully I'll be able to do before Leatherwood, depending on how some taxes come back. 294 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,520 Yeah. 295 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,880 Dude, Leatherwood's going to be a riot. 296 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,000 I was thinking about this earlier. 297 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,200 I'm pretty sure that Leatherwood is bigger than Drummond Island. 298 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,560 I think we discussed this previously. 299 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:27,560 Did we? 300 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,560 Yes. 301 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,560 Like discussed this a while ago. 302 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:34,560 I think we were the first to let Leatherwood got first bought up. 303 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,560 At least you and me discussed it. 304 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:38,560 Yeah. 305 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,080 And then honestly, Leatherwood has better views than Drummond Island. 306 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,960 I'm looking forward to that because there's a lot more like mountains and stuff. 307 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,240 Yup. 308 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:59,400 Yeah, I think when I was over at, for beers at one Derek's house, the other Derek. 309 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Yeah. 310 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:01,400 Jeep Derek. 311 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:09,440 We were watching some videos because there's not a shit ton of YouTube videos on Leatherwood. 312 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,720 There's a few here and there, but it's a lot more side by sides. 313 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:13,720 Right. 314 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,080 But we were watching side by sides go through and there's some pretty cool fucking spots 315 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:24,320 where you're driving up a creek slash river for a while. 316 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:32,080 So if this puts it into perspective, Drummond Island is 150 square miles, right? 317 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:40,440 And convert that to acreage comes out to about seven. 318 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,440 What the hell? 319 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,080 Are we talking about the actual trails or the actual island? 320 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,080 No, just the actual island. 321 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:52,520 So the island comes out to be about 640 acres, whereas Leatherwood is like 50,000 acres or 322 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,520 500,000 acres. 323 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,520 Yeah. 324 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:03,360 Because I think there's like almost 250 miles worth of trails so far, if I understood correctly. 325 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,360 Yeah. 326 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:06,360 50,000 acres. 327 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:07,560 That's just insane, dude. 328 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,600 Like yeah, it's a park, but it's a park you can overland in. 329 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,600 Oh yeah. 330 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:12,600 Yeah, for sure. 331 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:17,480 You probably won't get through all the trails in one day either, based off what I've been 332 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:18,480 told. 333 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,080 Oh, I bet you won't get through all the trails in a weekend. 334 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,080 Yeah, that too. 335 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,080 And they're adding more. 336 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,840 I think, yeah, and there's a lot of really harder technical trails in there too. 337 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:35,560 So I mean, between that and crawling real slow, recovery, there's no way you'd be able, 338 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,680 I think, to get everything. 339 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,940 Yeah. 340 00:17:38,940 --> 00:17:44,600 Even in the side-by-sides, I was watching those things climb up some of the ledges and 341 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,760 it's like, holy shit. 342 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,920 If you watch Bleepin' Jeep, he does a lot of stuff in Leatherwood. 343 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:51,920 Yeah. 344 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,880 I was about to say, because I think he mentioned about, there was a side-by-side that went 345 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:03,760 up on the tower or phone line right-of-ways and they rode it down because of how steep 346 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,760 the hillside was. 347 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,760 It's crazy. 348 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,440 Yeah. 349 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:14,600 It'll probably be a pretty damn good time. 350 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:23,760 And I think if we weren't trying to get our finances in the right and we weren't in the 351 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,520 position we were in right now, we'd probably end up going. 352 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:33,520 But I think for now, it's not going to happen unless something changes any time soon. 353 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,960 Yeah, life sucks. 354 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,600 I get it. 355 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:37,960 Life sucks. 356 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,880 Although we'll be doing some other trips. 357 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:46,360 We've got a Western UP exploration trip, some kids camping. 358 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:52,360 We're going to go up to the UP a few times just to see what we can see. 359 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:57,200 My year is going to be very boring because I'm just saving up money and getting the truck 360 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,920 ready for Moab next year. 361 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:03,920 And building the trailer. 362 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:04,920 Oh yeah, building the trailer out. 363 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,680 Yeah, because you're going to have to have that done before Moab. 364 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,440 All right, we're trying to get most of it done for Leatherwood. 365 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,440 Yep. 366 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,440 Yeah. 367 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,440 The goal is to bring- 368 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,440 What tires are on that? 369 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,160 Are they just regular road tires or like the older military? 370 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,160 Military tires. 371 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,160 Yeah. 372 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,760 We want to keep it military looking as much as possible. 373 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,680 Oh yeah, yeah. 374 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:41,120 Yeah, for the listeners that don't know, our trailer is a 1950s Air Force woodworking 375 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,320 generator trailer. 376 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,240 Yeah, it's pretty sick. 377 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:51,160 Took the generator off and whatever the front box was again. 378 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,280 Oh, the breaker box? 379 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,840 The distribution panel. 380 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:56,840 That's right. 381 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:57,840 Yeah. 382 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,120 It's really sad. 383 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:05,240 I bought that generator like four years ago to rebuild it to power my house when the power 384 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,120 goes out. 385 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:10,760 And I couldn't afford what they wanted to fix it. 386 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,440 So this is a good use for the trailer at least. 387 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,200 Oh yeah. 388 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,960 And very unique build because most people do overland trailers like for overlanding 389 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:21,960 and camping. 390 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,840 While we are just turning it into a tool shop. 391 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:31,080 It'll have every tool you could think of straight down to a shop press in case we got to do 392 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,600 wheel bearings in the field. 393 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:40,200 Yeah, that'll be fucking sweet. 394 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,720 And it will house an entire front end for my truck and an entire front end for Mark's 395 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,720 truck. 396 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,720 Yep. 397 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:53,160 Yeah, that's going to be some cool stuff, dude. 398 00:20:53,160 --> 00:21:00,760 And a generator and a welder and all the important stuff. 399 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,760 Heck yeah. 400 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:09,600 Are you going to do like, I don't know, can you run like acetylene and stuff on there 401 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,000 for cutting or is it just going to be like a grinder? 402 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,080 It'll be a grinder for cutting. 403 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,080 Yeah. 404 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,560 I mean, we could probably get acetylene on there. 405 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,560 Could get a plug. 406 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,600 You could probably put like spare fuel on there too, aren't you? 407 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,600 Oh yeah. 408 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,600 To run the generator. 409 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,720 Pretty sure what Allen's welder is. 410 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:37,480 They have a plasma one that's just electric, but I could be wrong in that statement. 411 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:43,760 Yeah it's a, it'll be pretty cool. 412 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,280 Lots and lots of money. 413 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,200 That is lots and lots and lots of money. 414 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,600 Lots of money. 415 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,120 It's all coming from Harbor freight. 416 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,760 Just in case something breaks, you can return it anywhere. 417 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,720 It's pretty much the goal except for doing pack out boxes. 418 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:00,720 Yeah. 419 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,520 Except for that part. 420 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,640 That we're going to paint black so they're not, you know, distracting. 421 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,640 Yeah. 422 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,240 Well, that'll be nice too. 423 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,080 Cause if you need to go and repair something and you just need a box of that certain tools, 424 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,600 you can just grab the pack out box and go. 425 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:17,600 Yeah. 426 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,840 That that's exactly what the mentality was there. 427 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,720 Yeah. trailer stay at base camp. 428 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,440 The only time we'll be wheeling if we have to go to a campsite and we actually have to 429 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,880 take it off roading. 430 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,080 And that'll, that'll be very cool. 431 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,160 So we probably, you know, most of the like overlanding, well, usually when we're overlanding, 432 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,040 we're not doing the harder stuff anyway. 433 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,040 Yeah. 434 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,160 It's more for like, you know, Moab will want it. 435 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,720 When we go out to Rubicon in a couple of years, we'll want it. 436 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,480 And then obviously, uh, leatherwood, it'll be nice. 437 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,160 Yeah. 438 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,200 Really anything that's like more than eight hours from home, it'll be nice to have the 439 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,200 trailer. 440 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,200 Oh yeah. 441 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,200 Oh yeah. 442 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,200 Yeah. 443 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,800 I have one guy with the, with the car hauler. 444 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,760 I have the other guy pole on the trailer. 445 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:15,480 Well, the goal is not to need a car hauler because the goal is have everything you need 446 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,160 to fix the truck on the tool trailer. 447 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,440 So the only way I thought, I thought you were looking at doing like a car hauler for like 448 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,000 the forerunner, like for long distance. 449 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,000 I mean, I am, I am, and I'm not, I don't want to have to use it, but I want to have the 450 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,480 option to use it. 451 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,480 Right. 452 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,480 That makes sense. 453 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,480 Yeah. 454 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:41,880 Cause then if something breaks and it's like, okay, yeah, this isn't gonna, you know, this 455 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,400 isn't going to be a quick thing, but I'm also with the trailers there. 456 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:51,120 I'm also tossing around the idea of building a off road pop-up. 457 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:55,800 So that's, that's the thing I've been thinking about. 458 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,000 Yeah. 459 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,940 And at that point I would need the forerunner to pull the pop-up because I can't do a car 460 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,280 hauler with a pop-up on it. 461 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,280 Yeah, man. 462 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,540 I don't know where you got to, you got to figure out a way to get yourself an engine 463 00:24:10,540 --> 00:24:13,440 hoist welded onto that trailer. 464 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,600 We kind of thought about that. 465 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:22,080 Alex made this giant contraption that was not even worth the time and effort. 466 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,880 I had a whole plan on how to make it powered by the winch of the forerunner and put a crane 467 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,520 on the back. 468 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,520 You know what? 469 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,820 You could look for cheap, uh, those, what are they cheap oil field cranes or whatever 470 00:24:35,820 --> 00:24:38,840 they got mounted on the side of the pickup trucks. 471 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,160 I mean, that would be the simplest way, but Alex was trying to make this like a giant 472 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,200 tow truck that wasn't actually going to tow anything. 473 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,440 Just the whole back end of the tow truck. 474 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,360 Just yeah, it was, it was very much so drunken thoughts. 475 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,760 Like it was not well thought out at all. 476 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,880 Well, no, it wasn't drunk. 477 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,280 We talked about it on the road. 478 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,040 Well it started out drunk because when I first thought it up, I was drunk. 479 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,040 Oh yeah. 480 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,040 I forgot. 481 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,040 I forgot. 482 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,800 This is a conversation before then I just wrote talking about on the way back from Missouri. 483 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,920 And then after I was drunk, it made me actually sit down and think about how could I actually 484 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,600 make this work though? 485 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,600 Yeah. 486 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:23,360 Well, I like, I don't remember what the front end of that looks like as far as like where 487 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:29,160 the tongue is, but you'd think you'd be able to put like a weld a plate there in the front 488 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:37,560 side of that and put a post and like a swiveling engine mount or something or a swiveling engine 489 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,640 cherry picker could type deal. 490 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,720 Basically we're going to put the generator there. 491 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,880 I think the other thing is that we got to have the crane over the axle and not away 492 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,880 from the axle. 493 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,880 So if we did do that. 494 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:50,880 Yeah. 495 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,240 Well, yeah, my, I mean, it would be more of, yeah, that makes sense too. 496 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:02,080 Cause then you'd need some like pretty good, uh, yeah. 497 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,680 Does that have a, uh, like a, I don't know what to call it. 498 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,640 Like a, like a wheel for the front to help keep the tongue up. 499 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,640 You know what I mean? 500 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,040 Not does not have a Jack yet, but we are going to put a Jack with a, like a boat trailer 501 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,040 Jack on there. 502 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,040 Yeah. 503 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,760 We'll give it that leveling wheel on the front. 504 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,760 Yeah. 505 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,960 That's what I was trying to think of. 506 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,040 I just couldn't, couldn't get it out. 507 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,400 And our really expensive pintle came today. 508 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,880 Nice. 509 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,720 Yeah. 510 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:37,860 So we are probably this weekend we'll be welding the, cause someone cut the original military 511 00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:41,960 pintle off and then put like a trailer pin style hitch on it. 512 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,720 So we're going to cut that off and then put a pintle back on it. 513 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,640 Not a military style pintle because I'm not dropping $500 on the damn thing. 514 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,640 Yeah. 515 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,640 Right. 516 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,040 But it'll be an adjustable pintle so you can raise and lower it depending on what vehicle 517 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,040 it's going on. 518 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,280 Um, and then obviously an adjustable hitch as well. 519 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,280 Yeah. 520 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,000 Make up for it. 521 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000 Is it a tube frame? 522 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,480 No, no. 523 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,480 Okay. 524 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,480 No, it's all box. 525 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,480 Everything's a box. 526 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,880 Oh, yeah. 527 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,880 Like box frame. 528 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,880 Yeah. 529 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,880 You're saying. 530 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,880 Okay. 531 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,880 So it's enclosed. 532 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,120 It's not like an I-beam type thing. 533 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:24,120 See channel. 534 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,120 I was about to say it's closed. 535 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,120 It just depends on where you're at. 536 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:29,120 Yeah. 537 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:30,120 Hmm. 538 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:36,000 I was just thinking the, uh, I watched one video, a guy completely sealed the frame and, 539 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,280 uh, and used it for pressurized air. 540 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,880 That's like they use it as the air tank. 541 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,880 Yeah. 542 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,880 I've seen that. 543 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,880 Yeah. 544 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,960 And I was just, just a passing thought since we were talking about it. 545 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:53,680 It'd be kind of cool, but I, uh, used to know a guy who had a Jeep and he did, uh, his, 546 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,720 his two bumper on the front. 547 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,100 He sealed that off and turned it into pressurized air. 548 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:01,800 That's pretty cool. 549 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,760 And my thought was always, what happens when you get in an accident? 550 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:11,120 Does it just go, because then, then he, uh, he filled it with nitrogen so that it would 551 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,840 inflate things faster. 552 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,120 Oh yeah. 553 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,120 That's a boom boom. 554 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,120 Exactly. 555 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:23,200 Man, so fill it for pain at that point. 556 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,200 Is propane faster than nitrogen? 557 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,200 I don't know. 558 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,360 I was just saying you might as well put propane in one of them. 559 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:30,240 I know it's, I know it's cold. 560 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,040 Yeah, it is colder. 561 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,280 You can use it as a refrigerant. 562 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,280 People put it in there. 563 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,280 Uh, the old R, is it R12? 564 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,280 Yeah. 565 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,280 The old R12 systems. 566 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,240 People tend to put propane in those. 567 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,240 Hmm. 568 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,240 Yeah. 569 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,520 I was watching a guy do that. 570 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,600 He's like, he showed the vents on his car and they're fucking just frosted over. 571 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,560 He's like, yeah, this stuff is cold. 572 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,560 Yeah. 573 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,480 I was like, I think it got to like 20 something degrees in there. 574 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,480 Yeah. 575 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,680 Where it was blowing out of the vent. 576 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,200 I think you have to, if I remember right, you have to change the way the pump works. 577 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,080 Like yeah, because propane doesn't have oil, so it can't lubricate it. 578 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,480 So you have to add some type of oil system to the pump to be able to run propane properly. 579 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,480 Hmm. 580 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,760 I know that. 581 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,240 But I've never ran propane in my R12 system. 582 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,360 So in fact, I don't think that's ever going to be a thing for me. 583 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:30,720 I converted my R12 system to R134. 584 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,080 I only have one vehicle that had R12. 585 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,440 So yours wouldn't, yours would be R134. 586 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,200 Yeah it is. 587 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,360 My 91, my 91 442 is R12, or was R12. 588 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,760 Now it's R134. 589 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,760 Yeah. 590 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,640 Excuse me. 591 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:59,400 I have the, in other news by the way, I, as I've already said, I went to Chicago here 592 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:10,080 the other day, got a winch plate or a winch mount for my FJ and the guy took a hundred 593 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,080 dollars for it. 594 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,880 So it was a pretty damn good deal. 595 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:23,920 We only went through $60 in gas, so $160 total, not bad. 596 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:31,200 And just got taxes back and boy, I am picking up a winch soon. 597 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,400 Maybe this weekend. 598 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,740 So other than, I still need to file those. 599 00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:40,000 Someone remind me to file my taxes next week. 600 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,000 Yeah, it is. 601 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,520 The first thing I did. 602 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:51,760 I was like, I want my money and just got it in today and I'm sitting there talking to 603 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:59,160 another group from MST or another group member from MST who's got a Badlands winch and probably 604 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,600 just going to pick that up off of him. 605 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,320 It's given me a pretty good deal on it. 606 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,080 I don't think I'm going to buy the other fair lead for it. 607 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,080 He says it's got the original one. 608 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,640 And I'll just stick with that for now just for the sake of the price. 609 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:22,040 And then it'll just come to mounting it and I'm almost positive it's going to fit on that 610 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:33,200 winch mount as long as that mount actually is for an FJ Cruiser, which the guy did say. 611 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:40,380 And the only other thing is there was some kind of relocation bracket for certain piece 612 00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:41,380 in the front. 613 00:31:41,380 --> 00:31:43,720 I don't know if that was an AC line or something like that. 614 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,320 Or control box maybe. 615 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:53,800 And I don't know, I don't think I have any parts for that so we'll see. 616 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,160 He gave me a bag full of bolts and stuff for it. 617 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,480 He gave me the light bar that came that I think he just had just above it in that little 618 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,840 space. 619 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,360 So got a nice little light bar from it. 620 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,480 Didn't really need it but... 621 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,480 That'll go behind your factory bumper, right? 622 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,480 Yeah. 623 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,040 Yeah, it's kind of a hideaway deal. 624 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,040 So it'll be a... 625 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,040 It just needs to make a hole for the fair lead. 626 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,560 Yeah, that'll be no problem. 627 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,360 As long as I can get it to fit. 628 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,040 Make a note on when... 629 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,680 Last Casey, when he put a new winch line on there, because you're going to want a new 630 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,760 one every year or so. 631 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,600 Yeah, he said three months ago. 632 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,600 So... 633 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,600 Just make a note on that and kind of keep up with it. 634 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,560 The synthetic does break down. 635 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,560 Oh, absolutely. 636 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:50,040 And I know fair leads, depending on the fair lead, can kind of help the rubbing and stuff 637 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,040 on it. 638 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,400 But I think... 639 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,040 I'll be replacing my line here soon. 640 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:07,760 On top of that, Alex, I saw a video from the 24-hour four-wheel drive over in Australia. 641 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:14,080 They were talking about winches and I guess you could turn where the lever's at on some 642 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,080 winches. 643 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,080 Oh, really? 644 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,080 Yeah. 645 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,600 So theoretically, you probably tuck it forward or backwards and you have a flat piece of 646 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,240 metal on top without any issues. 647 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:28,640 I like this idea a lot because I definitely need to build a flat, hinging door on top 648 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,600 of my winch to protect that winch line. 649 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,600 Yeah. 650 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,360 I just know that you weren't sure about cutting a hole for the lever and came across the video 651 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,960 like, hey, turn this... 652 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,360 Had the lever down the way. 653 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,360 Like, oh. 654 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,080 Well, hopefully that will work with Alex's winch. 655 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,720 Yeah, we'll definitely look at that. 656 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,360 I got to look at how it's going to sit and everything to figure out how I'm going to 657 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,360 be able to get to that. 658 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,360 Oh, that's awesome. 659 00:33:53,360 --> 00:34:00,600 Because if I have to pop the hood every time, it's going to be a pain in the ass with those 660 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,600 limb risers. 661 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,280 So I'm hoping that there's going to be a way or maybe I'll make a way to make like a little 662 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,560 door or something to get in and out of that. 663 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaking of which, Mark, yours... 664 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,280 Oh yeah, yours is open. 665 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,280 You'll be able to get to this. 666 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,280 Oh, I got a good opening for that. 667 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,760 Good. 668 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:25,920 Yeah, I never thought about that because my handle has always just been exposed. 669 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,480 I mean, my whole winch sits in front of my truck. 670 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,480 It's not even in the truck. 671 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,040 Yeah, I was going to say it just sits on your bumper, doesn't it? 672 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,040 Yeah. 673 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,880 And my bumper is terribly designed and hangs way too far in front of the truck. 674 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,880 But it was $200. 675 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:41,880 So I love it. 676 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,880 It's like $70 for a X-Bolt cover. 677 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:46,880 Yeah. 678 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:54,440 I was going to say you could probably have mine. 679 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,400 When I buy that, actually he's got a worn cover that fits it perfectly. 680 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,660 And if it's the same size, you can have it because mine's going to be pretty covered 681 00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:08,280 up anyway with it being behind the bumper and everything. 682 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:14,360 My goal is to build a flat door right there that hinges up because that also gives me 683 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,080 another spot I can stand on my bumper. 684 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,160 Mark, you're staring intently at your screen. 685 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,160 What's going on there? 686 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,800 Sorry, I was looking at the bumper of the truck that I mocked up on my truck. 687 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,800 Oh yeah. 688 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,800 I was looking at the winch. 689 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,840 I'm trying to decide if it's tall enough for the module being on top of the winch, but 690 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,560 I think we have to figure out how it wants it there. 691 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,800 We'll have to relocate the control box for sure. 692 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,960 Yeah, I'll have to come down on a... Once I pick that winch up, I'll have to come down 693 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:52,560 on a Friday when I'm not super fucking crazy busy or something and we can tackle that out 694 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,680 together and figure that out. 695 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,680 Hell yeah. 696 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,320 Figure that puzzle out together. 697 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,320 Yeah. 698 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,960 Because it's not... The plates and everything aren't bolted together and I think it's just 699 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,800 like it's two plates, so it's not super hard I'd imagine. 700 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,480 I'll get my brother to weld up something that needs to be welded on. 701 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,480 Yeah. 702 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,360 Yeah, I'm sure it'll be fine. 703 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:22,520 I just... I don't want to do it myself just because I'm not super inclined. 704 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,320 I just know I have to take the whole front plastics off the bumper and shit. 705 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,120 We put the winch on with the winch plate and then we buy a bunch of tube and we just make 706 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,800 you a tube bumper at the same time. 707 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,360 Oh, we could do that. 708 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,560 We could do that. 709 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,040 I don't mind the look of tube bumpers. 710 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,120 I just don't know if... I don't know. 711 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,000 I guess cross that road and we get there. 712 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:55,640 I kind of like the idea of the hideaway winch though. 713 00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:01,240 I kind of like the look of the front end because at first, when I first bought the FJ, I really 714 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:07,920 wanted one of those big ass ARB Australian brush guard bumpers. 715 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,600 Those big steel ones. 716 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,880 I really liked those for a while, but as I started to wheel a little bit more, I was 717 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:24,120 like, I don't really need that, but I do like... I think it's called Tinker's Design. 718 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,160 He's got a bumper that he designed himself. 719 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:35,440 He's an FJ guy and it's expensive, but fuck, it's the best looking bumper on the market 720 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,240 for FJs. 721 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:40,240 It's beautiful. 722 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,680 It looks like it's missing stuff. 723 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,640 What? 724 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,880 It's so small that it looks like the FJ is missing stuff on the sides. 725 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,640 Oh, for the Tinker's Design bumper? 726 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,640 Yeah. 727 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,640 I mean, it's sharp. 728 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,640 Don't get me wrong. 729 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,240 It's so much narrower than the FJ actually is. 730 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,240 You know what I mean? 731 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:06,240 Yeah. 732 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,240 Oh yeah. 733 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,400 God, look at that mount. 734 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,480 This thing is fucking stout. 735 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,480 The bumper itself? 736 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,480 Yeah. 737 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,680 It's got like... It mounts to the side of his frame for any listeners. 738 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:31,720 It mounts to the side of the frame and then it's got five bolts on either side to mount 739 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:33,040 the bumper to the truck. 740 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,040 Yeah. 741 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,760 I mean, this thing is intense. 742 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,120 It's quite the unit. 743 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,120 Yeah. 744 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,400 This guy knows what he's doing. 745 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:49,760 I believe he's an engineer and he does a lot of Toyota related videos. 746 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,160 Yeah. 747 00:38:52,160 --> 00:39:01,520 And he talks about different kind of lifts, the control arms, the advantages of certain 748 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,640 tires and sizes. 749 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,640 Really check him out. 750 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,120 He's very, very smart. 751 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:13,040 He does really good testing on this stuff. 752 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,240 And he's... I don't know. 753 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:16,960 He's very, very informative. 754 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,320 And he kind of thought of everything with this bumper. 755 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,960 He's got dedicated high lift jack points on there. 756 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,320 He's got a... I think what is it? 757 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:38,120 CNC, one inch thick billet steel, recovery points. 758 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,440 What is that? 759 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,160 I like it with the tri-hoop best. 760 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,160 Oh, that is sexy. 761 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,160 Yeah, the tri-hoop. 762 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,440 The tri-hoop's the only way that I would get it. 763 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,440 Yeah. 764 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,440 $2,700. 765 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,360 Really for what you're looking at though, that's not a bad deal. 766 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,360 It's not. 767 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,360 No. 768 00:39:53,360 --> 00:40:02,400 And this is all... He sells out every single time that he gets more. 769 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,640 But you gotta imagine how long it takes for them to fucking make something like this too. 770 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,200 Next batch, Q3 2025, get notified. 771 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,560 Yeah. 772 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,200 Every time I go to check, they sell out again. 773 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,200 It's crazy. 774 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,760 Does he... He sells them already welded together and everything? 775 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,600 Yeah, yeah. 776 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,480 They're not... Most of these are weld together kits, but this looks like he actually does 777 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,960 all the work. 778 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,200 Yeah, it should be all done. 779 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,200 Yeah. 780 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,600 By the way, Alex, that's not bolted to the side. 781 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,680 That's reinforcement brackets. 782 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,160 Is it? 783 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,000 Yeah, because that's what my bumper's going to get to. 784 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,720 Well, it's sick. 785 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:45,720 That's smart. 786 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:47,480 I know what it is. 787 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,800 Yeah, he's a really smart guy. 788 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,000 Like I said, go look at his videos at some point. 789 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,400 Like I said, he talks about all sorts of stuff. 790 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,840 I'm impressed with the approach he's going with that bumper though. 791 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,480 Yeah, I think that's why he made it narrow, kind of like what you're saying, because he's 792 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:14,320 got that whole... I want to say... No, it's not cut. 793 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,400 He's just got the whole front bumper and everything off of it. 794 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,440 It almost looked like it was cut, because I know there's some bumpers that you have 795 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,600 to do like a windshield washer relocation. 796 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,200 Yeah, I have to do that on mine. 797 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,840 So yeah, I wasn't sure that it was... Install instructions. 798 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,200 Even with the bumper I have now, I need to relocate my windshield washer, because it 799 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,080 hangs way under the bumper. 800 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,520 It hasn't been an issue in two years, so I've been putting it off. 801 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,360 I think if Alan stuck with his Cherokee Trailhawk, he went with a heavy duty bumper, he had to 802 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,040 relocate a lot of reservoirs as well. 803 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,040 Everything. 804 00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:03,120 He had to do major body modifications, and building a Trailhawk just is not a great idea. 805 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:10,360 I give them props for it, but when you got one store dedicated to it and no one else 806 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,280 to compete with, they're very pricey parts. 807 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,000 I mean they're sick, don't get me wrong. 808 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,560 I have issues with the Trailhawk on its own, but the fact that people are taking these 809 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,360 and starting to build them is fucking sick. 810 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,680 Yeah, for sure. 811 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,680 It's like watching people build trackers. 812 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,520 Trackers are god awful cars. 813 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,040 I've had one, trust me. 814 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,160 They're god awful cars. 815 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,560 But when you see a built tracker, it's just like you have to respect that person. 816 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,680 That's how I feel about terrains and orchidias and stuff. 817 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,600 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. 818 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,600 If you see a- 819 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,400 We don't talk about terrains anymore. 820 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,480 We don't talk about brew now. 821 00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:02,680 I actually saw a lifted white Terrain AT4 in Grant today, or yesterday. 822 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:03,680 Ooh. 823 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,760 Yeah. 824 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,280 And I was like, huh. 825 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,240 It's not just one that's lifted. 826 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,240 There's more than one. 827 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,240 Yeah. 828 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:13,240 Yeah. 829 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,040 I mean, I don't know. 830 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:24,720 I am actually more excited to see how Zach's build comes off after watching... I don't 831 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:32,160 know if you guys saw that video that was posted in MST chat about the other bone stock terrain 832 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,920 that did a quote unquote a diamond trail on Moab. 833 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:36,920 No. 834 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,640 It was not a diamond trail. 835 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,120 It was not a diamond trail at all. 836 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,800 But it was pretty cool. 837 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:53,600 I like giving Zach crap because I give everybody crap. 838 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,120 But at the end of the day, what he's doing with the terrain, do I think it's worth it? 839 00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,120 No, not at all. 840 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,120 The dude's an idiot. 841 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:05,120 But, but I give him props because it's really cool to see someone build something that's 842 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,120 so ridiculous. 843 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,120 Oh yeah. 844 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,120 Yeah. 845 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,120 Just because. 846 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,120 Yeah. 847 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,120 It's cool. 848 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:17,200 And watching that terrain do that, and I keep saying quote unquote black diamond trail because 849 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:23,360 if you see in the video, you're like, I feel like a Sienna could get up that. 850 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:29,280 But the ride is so low on that terrain, you're watching it hit everything. 851 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,280 It gets stuck. 852 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,800 And then there's just like at one point in the video, there's just a Tacoma just pulling 853 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,720 it up the fucking hill. 854 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,800 It's not a Tacoma, it's a Colorado. 855 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,560 Cause it was like, it was like a Chevy, Chevy group. 856 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:47,640 It was like two, yeah, it's like two Colorados in a terrain, but stock terrain with all terrains. 857 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,280 Oh my God. 858 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,320 Stock terrain on all terrains, climbing up terrain. 859 00:44:54,320 --> 00:45:02,800 I have seen a terrain get stuck in a wet grass yard and that was a terrain 84. 860 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,200 But you know, I've seen F-150s get stuck in a wet grass yard. 861 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,120 So you know, it's just one of those things. 862 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,960 Like sometimes there's just no traction to be had. 863 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,000 It's just no traction, man. 864 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,760 And it wasn't just one of those like F-150s with the rubber band tires either, man. 865 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,920 I've seen them all. 866 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,640 Cause you always got those videos where you got like a Dodge owner shooting a video of 867 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,920 like a Ford that just can't move anywhere. 868 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,760 And they're like, that's a Ford. 869 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,840 And then you see a Dodge, you know, a Ford guy with a Dodge video of a Dodge doing the 870 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,320 same damn thing. 871 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:42,720 As a 10 year old, I definitely tore up my dad's yard with his F-250 because I had to 872 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:46,960 get some hay for the horses and I put it in the bed of the truck and didn't know that 873 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,440 he had unlocked the front hubs. 874 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:55,880 So I was just in two wheel drive on wet clay, just digging into the yard. 875 00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:03,520 And to this day, you can still feel the tire ruts where I did that. 876 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,400 I miss those old locking hubs, dude. 877 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:15,040 I remember my dad had a 95 F-150 and he, if we'd go out like trail riding or he'd just 878 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,800 be like, well, we'd be going looking for like morale mushrooms. 879 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,900 He'd go off the trail more to find morale mushrooms than he would just like trail riding 880 00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:25,960 on like the, on parks and stuff. 881 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,240 But he'd be like, Hey, Hey, go turn the hubs. 882 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,660 Because he didn't want to get out. 883 00:46:31,660 --> 00:46:34,760 So I'd go run out and try to turn the hubs like nine years old. 884 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,840 I'm like, yeah, they're not moving. 885 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,880 Here, take these pliers. 886 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:48,720 I am tossing around the idea of converting the forerunner to locking hubs just so that 887 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:53,380 if something happens, like I blow a CV axle or something, I can just disconnect the hub 888 00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:56,400 and keep driving. 889 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:03,160 And you can, I can swap over from Tacoma because some of the Tacomas had locking hubs in that 890 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,480 generation. 891 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:11,920 So I can collect the parts and build the system, but it's like $1,300 all said and done. 892 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,000 And there's a couple other little upgrades with it, like makes it so you can run some 893 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,460 better wheel bearings. 894 00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:21,480 And it's just a lot of fricking money. 895 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,120 Every time I break my front end, we talk about it. 896 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,320 Yes. 897 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:35,960 I think I speaking of $1,300, I was looking at a front locking diff for the FJ. 898 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,400 I don't need one right now, but we were just talking about diffs in the chat one time and 899 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,720 like, well, how much is front locking diffs right now? 900 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:50,820 And I wonder if any, any FJs came with them and not that I know of, but ARB sells a front 901 00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:55,800 locking diff for the, for the FJ and yeah, it's about $1,300 for it. 902 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,720 Is that one an air locker or an E locker? 903 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:01,080 I think it's an air locker. 904 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,800 Don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty sure it's an air locker. 905 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,000 So then you got to run airlines. 906 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,000 Yeah. 907 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,000 Yeah. 908 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:18,680 I mean, I was looking for rear diffs because Derek mentioned that he was looking for a 909 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:26,200 rear axle for an FJ because we have ediffs in the back for his Lexus. 910 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:32,400 And so I was kind of looking for rear diffs for him because I have a lot of fucking FJs 911 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:39,760 around me and everybody who's parting their FJs out around me already sold the rear axles. 912 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:46,840 So have you seen, have you seen the yellow FJ that drives around New Wego? 913 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,840 Yeah. 914 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,240 She's in my Michigan FJ group. 915 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:56,200 That thing is fucking sick with its, it's with a ladder. 916 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,200 Yeah. 917 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,560 She bought it like that. 918 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,600 She was actually, so she joined or asked to join the Michigan FJs. 919 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,080 I accepted her. 920 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:13,480 We chatted a little bit because she's from the New Wego area and, and she actually stopped 921 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:19,240 outside at Gilroy's where I work, saw me in the truck and came up and just talked to me. 922 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:23,640 I didn't, I've never met her in person, never, didn't even know what she looked like. 923 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,480 She just knocked on the window. 924 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,400 It scared the shit out of me. 925 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,160 I rolled down my window and she's like, Hey, you're, you're Gavin, right? 926 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,520 I was like, uh, yeah. 927 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,240 Like I'm thinking I'm about to get like served or something. 928 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:42,280 And she's like, and then I look back and I see her, her FJ and I'm like, Oh, I know that 929 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,280 FJ. 930 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,120 So we started chatting and she was, and then I asked you guys, uh, probably a month or 931 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,640 two ago about, uh, the steering issues she was having. 932 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,640 Oh yeah. 933 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,640 Oh yeah. 934 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,320 So she was talking about driving and she said, you know, she'd just go on like a dirt road 935 00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,680 that she lived on or something. 936 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,360 And it felt like her steering was like, her steering wheel was like really yanking left 937 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,160 or right. 938 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,640 And she was talking about that. 939 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,800 And I'm like, yeah, I don't know. 940 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,280 Nothing that I really can tell you. 941 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,640 I don't feel that same. 942 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,720 You know, I was trying to show her on my steering wheel. 943 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,720 I'm like, how hard is it like yanking to the left or right? 944 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:25,200 And she kind of showed me and it seemed like it was significant enough to be an issue. 945 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,760 And she's like, you don't feel any of that when you drive. 946 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,920 And I said, no, I mean, not really. 947 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:37,880 Um, you know, and then I asked you guys about it and kind of gave her that same feedback 948 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:44,560 and she took it to the guy right next to tire wholesalers in New Aigo. 949 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,800 He works on a lot of FJs pretty comp. 950 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,840 He's worked on her stuff a lot. 951 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:57,520 But he had, he had checked that out originally and said it was fine. 952 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,640 So she's like, I just don't know if there's something going on with it. 953 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,920 I'm like, yeah, I don't know. 954 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:08,240 And after talking to her, I was like, you know, going on a trail the other day and kind 955 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:13,960 of felt the pull and I'm like, yeah, you know, I guess it does kind of have that little bit 956 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,320 of pull when you're, you know, on certain obstacles. 957 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,600 But she was just talking about it being on like dirt roads and potholes. 958 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:27,720 Mind did it like crazy until I did my rack and pinion out in or outer tie rods, welded 959 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:36,600 my steering column, do whatever that rag, yeah, rag joint. 960 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,760 I mean, I just rebuilt my whole steering system. 961 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,520 So but before that I had that problem like crazy. 962 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,660 Yeah, it's not, it's not enough to really bother me. 963 00:51:45,660 --> 00:51:49,920 It's not like it's, it's not like it's yanking the steering wheel out of my hands by any 964 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,920 means. 965 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,200 So mine would pull the truck right into the other lane. 966 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,320 Like I hit a pothole and it pulled me right into oncoming traffic. 967 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,120 Oh yeah, no, mine wouldn't do that. 968 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:04,600 But the, but yeah, I mean, she's, she was pretty cool. 969 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,720 I told her she should come out and do some trail riding and she says, like, she said, 970 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:09,960 like, I'm still paying out. 971 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,240 I don't think my husband would let me. 972 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,600 And I said, that thing's already set up for it, man. 973 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,880 Just fucking go. 974 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,880 And then, so hopefully I can get her out doing something. 975 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,880 She's a, she says she's done some trail stuff before. 976 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,200 And I'm like, yeah, well, I said, come out, man. 977 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,800 We need more people. 978 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,600 My FJ, my Michigan FJ cruiser group is just pretty much dead because nobody, well, and 979 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,720 I, and I, I'm pretty much the only one on it now. 980 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:44,680 It's like nobody off-roads FJs in Michigan that, that's also on the page. 981 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:45,680 It's weird. 982 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,680 Yeah. 983 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,480 I see them all the time with off-road setups, but. 984 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,300 Well on, join me. 985 00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:58,080 On that note, do you think we should get off here and go record a half hour episode? 986 00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,720 Oh yeah. 987 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,280 I suppose. 988 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,760 Talk about our plans in that one for the weekend. 989 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,280 Then they'll get the half hour episode. 990 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,980 So they'll have already heard the half hour episode. 991 00:53:08,980 --> 00:53:13,720 And then we just said that we're going to go record a half hour episode. 992 00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:14,920 You do this every time. 993 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,920 Yeah. 994 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,920 Yeah, I do. 995 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,720 We definitely record these out of order guys, just so you're aware. 996 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:20,720 Yep. 997 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:21,720 Yeah. 998 00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,480 We're going to knock the hour one out first. 999 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,480 Yeah. 1000 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,480 See if we're willing to do that half an hour one. 1001 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,480 Yeah. 1002 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,480 And then see. 1003 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:30,760 All right guys. 1004 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,840 On that note, we will, we'll talk to you later. 1005 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,840 Later. 1006 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:53,260 See you guys next time.