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MINT TV

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Welcome to Bacha's Off-Road. Join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, tank camping to rock landing, and all things to do with the outdoors.

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Today we have a pretty fun interview with the Radio Chatter crew. Is it just you two or do you have anyone else that works with you?

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Just us and our son, he signs all the shipments. So when you get to copy handwriting, that's from him.

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It's not positive.

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So these two have a pretty cool little conversation starter game. As you know, we've got three or four episodes out now.

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It's a pretty fun little game. So by all means, go ahead, introduce yourselves. And I know you've got a pretty cool truck.

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Okay. Yeah. So my name is Paul. So I kind of run the day to day operations of the game and shipments and all that kind of stuff.

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Even though it's her idea, she'll tell you. But yeah, we've been doing like the overlanding off-roading thing since about 2018 or 19.

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No, 19, because that's when we bought the truck. I thought it was after.

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Well, we have a 2019 truck. So that makes sense.

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You went off-road. You went off of a paved road. So I guess that counts. That counts. That counts. Yep. Yep.

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So yeah, we have a 19 Colorado, Chevy Colorado. And then a few years back, maybe four years now, we added the Alucav canopy camper to it.

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That's cool. And it is so beautiful. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. The whole interior we did ourselves custom.

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So that's like, that's our family hobby. We got one little son. He's six years old. We got this new puppy now.

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So, oh man, he's only a few weeks old. Yeah. We don't trust him yet. So yeah.

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So that's, yeah. So that's like our primary family activities. We go out camping, off-roading or overlanding.

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Started off just us, you know, introduced our son into it. And then, yeah, decided to kind of gamify it a little bit. Yep.

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When just spending so much time on the road, like we joke, you know, we go down, down, you know, North Carolina or Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, like all that quite a bit.

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It's pretty central to a lot of other states and friends. So we spend eight to 10 hours in a car together.

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No, I'm telling the story. And then because once I turn it over, I might as well walk away.

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So, so yeah. So then we spent so much time in the car together and then we want to hang out with friends.

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And then you just jump right back in the car again to travel the next day. And it's like, man, we're sick of talking to each other.

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And so then I'll let her tell the rest of the story since she really wants to talk.

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My name is Bethany. Yeah. So we started, we went on our first like overlanding trip after watching a lot of stuff on YouTube.

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And we started watching Mountain State Overland. We went on a Mountain State Overland trip and had fun.

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And then that year we had a second one. We had like two trips, books within a couple months of each other. So we went on the second one.

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And the second one was a lot of fun, but it was a little bit more fun because there was a lot more talking on the radio.

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And the silence. But the first trip, I thought the radio was like for emergencies only, like wasn't.

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And then the second one, there was more banter and it was fun, but there was a lot of like gear talk and I had no idea what was being said.

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Like I was like, this is fun, but could be more fun if it wasn't so specific to like what kind of ball bearings you have rocking in your truck.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I ruined my own joke.

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So then like on the third trip, I was like, we were driving down and I had a notepad with me and I started writing down questions.

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And he said, what are you doing? I was like, I'm taking questions to ask when we're on the trip.

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And my first question that I came up with that and I liked it because it was questions and I felt like it could create conversation that myself could participate in with having like no understanding.

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And the first, the OG question is what was your favorite upgrade to your rig?

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That was our very first episode. Yeah.

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And then the follow up was, OK, well, what was the best? And then the follow up was what was the worst?

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So I came up with like 15 or 20 questions initially and started asking them on the road and the radio and was like waiting for people to tell me to shut up.

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And they were with stopper brakes and we got a lot of engagement. We'd stop and people were like, I'm really enjoying the questions, really getting to know people,

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just getting to know more about how they got into the sport, why they're on this trip.

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And then when we got to the campsite, it was like we were we were just picking it up and going.

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Because I think prior trips talking to the guides was more of like the campfire is more of they get to know you. And we're already hours ahead of that.

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And, you know, and it was a lot more continuation of the conversation of, oh, tell me more about that trip that you took when you're in high school or whatever, you know, thing that they talked about earlier in the day.

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So it was just a lot of fun. Got a lot of really good feedback and encouragement to make a game. I was like no. And we we kind of shelved it for a year and then came back up again and Paul and I'll let you take over now.

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But we'll wrap it up for you. Yeah, no, he just was say, like, I think he saw an opportunity. We had some extra money.

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And he's always wanted to start a business. And, you know, he's like, I think this is a great opportunity to just start understanding what it is to like start a business with all the paperwork that you have all of the stuff that you don't really think about.

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And then gives us an opportunity to like express our creativity when when the mood strikes. So, take it away.

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You finished it. So do you guys do radio chatter full time then? No, no, no. It's very much a true side hustle. And it's amazing how much a little game can like take up a lot of time. Yeah. Right. Right.

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It's like when everybody asked me like, hey, how are things going? It's like it truly is the pure definition of a side hustle. When I don't have time to engage with people, go to social media, email potential wholesalers like nothing happens.

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And then as soon as I just start a little bit engagement, you post some things on social or you respond to a couple things. All of a sudden you get podcast requests or things like that.

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It's what happens. And so last year was just a busy year for us. We started off really strong. We went to more expo. We did a huge deal with Midland. Midland had our product for free.

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They bought a bunch off of us. They had it. Buy a radio, get free radio chatter at all their events last year. That carries over into this year.

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So like it was a big deal with them. And then just our personal lives got busy and it was just kind of like just the side part of the side hustle. So hoping to really pick it back up this year, try to carve out time because we enjoy doing it.

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We enjoy talking to people. Like we really like it started off as kind of a game. We have some other games you guys talked about on your podcast. We have the, you know, the after dark.

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We have other ideas, but for us it's like, how can we add something new and unique to overlanding and off roading? Just help build community, build friendships, give something else to do.

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I mean, like we, I'm drinking a beer. We all love sitting around drinking a beer or whatever, but let's give something else to do other than the same thing we do on every trip.

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So like if you can get some games in it or whatever, like it's just something different that no one else is really doing. So I'd like to do more of that.

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Yeah, we've, uh, might have to talk to you because we got a game we're working on right now. It would be pretty fun. I'd like to know a little more on how you did some stuff.

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Yeah, it would be, it would be happy. Like part of the fun of doing this is it's, we are not going to become millionaires for making a car. Right. Even 10 card games. We're going to become billionaires.

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We're going to become still in debt to buying boxes of card games that are sitting over there in the basement. But, um, but yeah, I'd be happy to like, it's, it's, but what's amazing too is just the network in the overlanding community.

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Like when we started doing this and we were talking to a friend of ours about making a card game, he's like, Oh, I got a buddy who makes card games for fun.

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And it was like, Oh my God, playing card. It was like, okay. So we talked to him and he's like, I've, I've printed from this manufacturer, this manufacturer, this manufacturer, this manufacturer.

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These are the two I recommend. And they're like, wow, you just saved us months worth of work. Right. Like, right. Because of overlanding. Like it was pretty, pretty sweet. So, yeah.

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It's one of the cool things about overlanding is there's a someone from almost every walk of life. Yeah. You know, like I'm a farmer. Mark is a underground construction guy. Did I say that right?

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Underground boring. I put five boring.

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You guys can hit it off. I used to do environmental site assessments and work with drilling rigs for doing like geo probe and how some augering similar, but different.

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We, we, we borrowed this direction. So we're not really going straight down.

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I mean, I, I, I, I mean, it's still a drill rig.

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And then, you know, Gavin, he manages the stick. Gavin does everything. He's kind of a genius. He can do whatever he needs to.

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No, no, it's a, it's the, what, how do you, how does that saying go? You know, I could do a little bit of everything, but I've never.

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All trades master.

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Yeah, that's 100%.

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It just amazed me because I've met people that, you know, overland full time. I've met people that are homeless. I've met people that, you know, do everything. And it just, it's crazy. The world that overlanding as.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's a great way to, it's a great way to meet people.

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Just like Bethany was saying, and it was a great way to start that communication and kind of breaks the ice, fun little games to do that.

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And I think me and me and Alex half the time we're on the trail. We're just got the radio in our hand. We're just talking about it anyway.

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So my, my wife was kind of similar in that aspect is she would get kind of bored in the passenger seat and you know, the kids sleeping in the back and she's just kind of crocheting and she's like, so and so what, what do they do it?

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And so it's kind of, yeah, it was kind of the same thing. And we, I, you know, I didn't really learn about this until I'd say probably a couple months before we actually did our radio chatter episode and Alex told me about it.

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And like, dude, perfect. Like, like, that's exactly what we needed. Like, so, so once we found out, I was like, oh, this is kind of cool.

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Of course, after dark, that makes it a lot more fun too. And you just throw that we shuffled that shuffle that deck right into ours.

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That was fun to make. But then I found myself kind of like hesitant to put some questions.

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What is on your mind?

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Yeah, right. Yeah. So a lot of the times with like, our over landing groups that we tend to ride with between us, the off road great group or MST, one of the other big ones that we're a part of.

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We kind of, we kind of know each other pretty well.

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But these help kind of ask the questions that haven't been asked. And yeah, we really value that. That's kind of a, it's a cool product. It's really outside the box.

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And it scratches a niche, you know what I mean? For a group that is very, yeah, the very outdoorsy and very gear related.

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This kind of helps you just get to know the actual people you're driving with and create those friendships and bonds. So yeah.

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And we've heard stories from people that are similar where like, I've known this person for years.

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And but then they were on, you know, pavement for eight hours going somewhere and they're like, I'm falling asleep or something. Someone asked me a question.

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They're, I'm tired too. So they pulled it and then they're like, I learned something about them that I never knew for years.

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So like, it's great to hear those stories. So yeah, it's, you know, informative too.

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You know, the gear question, like what's your favorite piece of gear? Being able to answer that and then talk about why it's your favorite.

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You know, when you're with a group of other people that are kind of, you know, everybody wants to know what your favorite gear is and what you do like and what you don't like.

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So like I said, it starts that conversation. We all get talking about it. So yeah, it's useful for that.

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It's excellent for podcast content. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. It asks questions like, like I was saying that we haven't have it necessarily thought of.

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And it keeps us within that realm of the overland off-road world. So yeah, it's pretty cool. We like it.

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And one thing I remember like, cause we went down, was it last fall or two falls ago, we went to overlaying the red.

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And that was like kind of our soft launch of radio chatter. And some people bought the product or like they had it out on the trails.

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And there were, I remember there were some people there that were all by themselves. Like they heard about it.

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They showed up and just someone said, Hey, we're going to go run this trail. And they went along with it.

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And they said like, you know, for being by themselves and not even knowing like another rig, it really helped join the group.

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Cause yeah, I could see that. Cause like, yeah, even though you're in your car, it still kind of feels like you're in a situation where, yeah, you're by yourself.

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And you're like, Hey, like, you know, if I show up like, Hey guys, can I like tag along with you today to whatever? Yeah.

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So it just like helps bridge that and make it again, build the community and get, you know, especially there's people like we've met that are like, Hey, I really want to get into this more.

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How do I do it? How do I do it safely? Like recommend, you know, and it's just, you know, I always recommend like find groups where you're at or go on a guided trip, depending.

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I don't know what your budget is, but you know, like that helps, but yeah, definitely just definitely helps. Yeah. Yeah.

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And I think, I think that's one of the reasons why we kind of stick in and we group with MST is they were kind of founded on that.

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Helping out beginners doing the doing like free group trail rides and stuff like that. They're not like, they're not subscription based or anything, but, but they're, they're very willing to, you know,

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take a bunch of new guys out and run them on trails and give them that support. And it's a chance for everyone to meet. So it was, it was kind of the kind of the same thing is one of those things to help kind of break the ice and make people feel like they're more welcome, I guess. And, and more accepted.

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I don't know. I just stick with MST for the hot dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's hot dog lore there behind the makers of it. But yeah, I mean, it's a good group. They did a, they did a poker run here for new years. That was our first poker run they ever did.

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That's part of that. They did that in a different thing. And it's, what is that? Like, what is the con? That was with something with the Ozarks, right? Or something. But what, what is that? I guess in general, there's a poker run or some kind of. Yeah.

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So for us this time, you know, first one we ever did. They, they pre-scouted the trail, the guys that that made it and found cool obstacles or cool areas. And, and they planted little flags and put a deck of cards out there and pretty much made a whole, you know, trail, I guess, map and logged the coordinates down.

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And then I think they had six of them because the goal is to make a full hand for poker. Yes. And so they dropped the coordinates right at, you know, 10 a.m. for everyone at the same time. Everyone knew to be in the area, but they didn't know where the coordinates would be.

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And then, and then once we started, it was kind of a, kind of a race to get to them. Do the obstacles. Every time you do the obstacles, kind of grab a poker card or from a deck of cards.

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And if you do all six, you have your full hand. And by the time that we're done with everything, you have a full hand and then everybody groups up after, after we do it and we see who's got the best hand.

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Okay. So, so there's a, it's a fun way to get everyone out there kind of friendly competition.

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When we did it, they, they probably put a little too many cards. They put a couple decks of cards in there and then, yeah, we got, we had a lot of people with winning hands.

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So, they also didn't shop in the deck too. So, no, no.

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So it was, it was a lot of, it was a lot of fun though. And, and it was a really good kind of first step to make it a really, really fun event every year in the, in the equine community.

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We do a lot of poker runs, but we've got, you know, people out handing cards out at each location, which kind of helps with that. Everyone gets a winning hand thing.

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Yeah. Yeah. It, it was, this one was kind of based off of the, you know, trust and everything that everyone's not going to take a bunch of the same cards or anything, but yeah, but it was really cool.

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You know, we did, we had, they had some easy obstacles. They had some harder ones.

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And then they, you know, give you the option that you don't have to do the, the certain obstacle it's at.

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There was one of them that, that Mark and I attempted and I got stuck pretty bad. It was pretty off camber spot, deep ruts. And of course we were the last people to that obstacle.

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And yeah, I sank the truck pretty good and I could, I could reach out the window and touch the ground. We were, we were that bad. So, I'm sorry.

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No, you're good. What, what kind of rigs you guys have? Oh, I'm sorry. I probably should, we should have said that. I have a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser.

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Yeah. 2014 Tacoma.

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And I have a 98 forerunner.

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Oh, okay.

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Yes.

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Toyota family represented.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because I'm a Jeep guy.

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Yes he is.

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He just, he just can't get, he just can't go back.

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Oh, I can go back. I miss my Jeep a lot.

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Yeah, never does.

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We met a guy who had a Jeep and then got a Colorado and he was like, the Colorado solid vehicle, you know, it's dependable all these things, all these great things, but I just, I just missed my Jeep.

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Yeah, there's, there's a lot of solid axle does that, that you just, just wish you had at some points, but a lot of drawbacks to having things like that too.

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Breaking off time.

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See, yeah, my Jeep only broke once when I put a piston through the cylinder. Yeah.

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I don't, I don't believe it. I didn't see it.

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I know Alex's history. I think it was our first trip. There was a guy on it that had the FJ mark. Yeah. And he, I think if I recall, he said he bought his with like over 300,000 miles on it.

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Really. Wow. And, and it was manual.

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That's yeah those are, those are gems nowadays the, he drew a bit across the country too.

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Those FJs are, are expensive now.

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I was babying mine for a while and then once I started off roading, I got those pinstripes. I said, all right, to heck with it. And, you know, mechanically I try not to break anything, but you know, paint to paint.

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It's just a protective cover. So, but yeah, you know, after, after, after that little off camber situation, that was probably the hardest obstacle I've done yet.

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I said, you know, I wiped my hands on it. You know, I, it's not the kind of stuff I want to do frequently.

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I got just past it. We got the card up there and Mark went and it was just an unfortunate turn of events that he ended up D beating his tire and it was a whole, I was way too low in tire pressure for that.

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Yeah. Yeah. So we ended up getting him all taken care of gotten his tire put back on and finished it out. But it was a lot of guys.

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You guys work with Cindy Pope. Are you a sponsor Cindy Pope stuff right. Yep. Yeah. How does that all work. Yeah. So, um, when we first got started, you know, we started just reaching out to people saying, Hey, we're starting.

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You do whatever we'd like to send you a free deck, you know, just to kind of get our name out there and Cindy was really early one said sure send me a deck. Most people didn't even respond.

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Yeah, sure. Send me a deck. And then she locked it like right away. She's like, I love this. She actually I think the first discussion I had with her was, I had my doubts, but this is actually pretty good.

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So, you know, like, it sounds weird on paper, we get it. It. That's why we shelved it for over a year.

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And then it was like, after the first weekend, like, our, our friend, Jason was like you guys need to like make a game and I was like I was just going to give you the list of questions to take on your.

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Yeah, there you go. I'm like, no, I'm like, this has been done before this is not anything new.

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I'm like, I mean, like I enjoy so I think the biggest thing that I've gotten out of this is even from the initial asking the questions.

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I was nervous about, like, people, you know, like stop your questions are dumb, shut up, not, not that they would. I mean, he would tell me they're dumb but other people that more polite ways but

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we're going to make this come, we're going to make this game we're going to make this card thing and put ourselves out there.

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It was nerve nerve wracking for me but and I'm assuming for Paul to but like and then to get the warm reception has been really nice and seeing like, you know, all this feedback and even like we said, or like Paul was saying, getting feedback that you know people

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have grown up together and learn new things, or it helps make some break the ice to get somebody to go on a trail when they've never they don't have a single friend in overlanding, you know, that that stuff was like all right that's really cool.

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Yeah, and Cindy's got like so many of the different events that she does through so many. So like yeah, it works really well for those kind of groups right where you know, you know, and so.

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So yeah, she just, she just really liked the product and started just helping us get connected so let us come down to overland the red because we're new which is just come down sell the game.

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She got us connected last year with Chris from more expo and got us in the magazine there.

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You know, like all sorts of stuff so yeah so this year you're going to see our product at all her events we've donated a bunch of products, so she's got giveaways for all of her events just as like a thank you for her support so just to help continue to get

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our name out there and then yeah she's also one of our wholesalers. So she actually also buys product and sells it at a store. So we got kind of a mixed partnership with her with her various endeavors that she has so yeah she is a very busy woman.

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Yeah, yeah I was gonna say I may talk to Benji with was at Midwest Outfitters or overland outfitters in Missouri. Benji Ward he's got the overland.

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Oh yeah, he just, he just actually made a store.

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Yeah, he's got a store there and it's all overland related and that's pretty cool. Yeah, so I have like, I have a court board I installed, we're in the basement, this is kind of my office.

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And I have things after like this year is the year to try to reach out to more like potential wholesalers like it's great.

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But like, no one really knows who we are like, yeah, right. Of the hundreds we've sold or whatever like no one really knows who we are so it's like we got to get into the shops and different, different, different wholesalers to really just get our product out there.

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So, the goal is to get into more of those that's really the best way to get our product out there. Yeah, through Instagram. Right. One off product.

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Yeah, he, he started the what and correct me if I'm wrong Alex because I'm going off of memory here but the budget overland Facebook page.

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Yep. And then, which grew to like, I mean, crazy amounts, and then started the podcast.

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I believe it wasn't budget overlanding.

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It was budget overland first and then now it's new found overland. Yep. Yep. And so,

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he had quite the following and, and eventually he switched over that new found overland.

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He's just restarting his podcast, a couple, a few months ago, just opened the store in Missouri had a grand opening.

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Alex and Mark actually drove drove over to that and that was pretty cool. He got to met Benji in person, a couple other guys make some connections. So, it would be a cool opportunity and he's a pretty cool guy, as it is.

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That's cool. Yeah, the other the other like Missouri one is all roads taken. That's another great. Yep.

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Yeah, I was, I was thinking on the way home today trying to race here to make sure I got here for the, for the podcast.

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I was like, you know what, it would be really cool for like a kid's I spy game like a kid's I spy card game almost.

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So we, so we tried, I mean, we, we've talked to tread lightly so tread lightly ever listens to this like we've been trying to talk about this to do a spy game. So like a kid's like kind of tread lightly they have something you can print on their website like a matching game.

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So like we wanted to partner with them on doing one of those as well. Yeah, that would be cool. I was, it would be kind of fun to do almost like a radio chatter card game but each one's got like, you know, maybe five.

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I'm trying to trying to think of something but you know five, five certain trees or a breakdown or something.

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So like, in Brother Bear. Yeah, like roadside bingo, big jokes about doing that like wanting to do a river crossing.

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Yeah, like I talked about doing like a bingo for like my zoom meetings. Oh yeah. Hey, you're on mute, you know, like bingo.

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Yeah, like, like, when we first came out with radio chatter the number one request was like an adult only version. Oh yeah, the number two was something kids. Yeah.

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And you know, it would be it would be a ton of fun we have a family, you know, kids trips that MST does and stuff, where everybody with kids they'll bring it around they'll have little campfires over there. And it gives a chance for all the families to bring their kids and we're all accepting

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the, the wild hooligans that are running around so gives us kind of a chance to do like a you know a three day every all the kids meet each other and run around and play and it'd be a fun little game.

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Not sure exactly.

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Exactly what it would entail but you know, we always tried to do little games and stuff when we were there.

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And, yeah, just kind of add something to it.

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The, the other benefit of when you get a bunch of kids together is once you get, I'd say probably three or more, they kind of like watch themselves. Oh, gosh, that was my favorite part.

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The, the, the young kids took Jasper, and my son, and he was probably seven months or something like that seven months old. And they were just, he just started walking and they were just taking them everywhere.

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Yeah, he just, he's just a bit over a year old now and I can't wait for next year's kids will be rolling all around the woods and it'll be nice to be able to just relax, talk to the parents and joke.

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Yeah.

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So to pull it back to your truck a little bit, other than your aluminum cab what else have you done to it.

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Okay, yeah.

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Well yeah.

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Yeah, I can say I've upgraded the drive shaft.

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Placed it after slamming it into a rock. Yeah, well you broke it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, so the, I mean, so mechanically not much has changed.

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I did replace the rear suspension.

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Part of getting the alley cab though right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because I got like a vehicle sway going on right now.

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And it kind of looked like the suspension had a slow leak, so I replaced those but I still got the sway I think it's actually the tires now. I got some weird wear on the tires or something.

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That's what I do with my wife.

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So mechanically there's like really nothing. It's, it's stock. I mean that I'm not really, I work for an auto OEM, but I'm not a car.

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Never. It's also why you got the car. That's why I got to Colorado because I was like, I'm, I'm mechanically inclined, I can.

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The only thing that I did myself you know I can do plumbing and electrical drywall whatever I'm a handy guy, but I've just never was into cars that wasn't, I was, I was the computer guy and computers.

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Me too.

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So then it was like, okay, I really want to,

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but I camped, hiked, backpacked my whole life.

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And I was like, I want to do more.

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I want to introduce the vehicle to it.

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So I got into it and was like, but I don't really,

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I'm not going to buy some of the vehicles you guys have

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and try to add to them or fix them up.

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That's not my thing.

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So I was like, but if I buy something capable,

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I can learn as I break things and need to upgrade.

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So at the time-

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You were driving a Malibu, but he don't-

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So, okay.

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So he was always talking about, I want to get a truck.

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And like, he was like, for whatever reason,

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no, we don't need a truck.

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And then we live in the city.

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So our driveway is very close to our neighbors.

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It's like one car wide, long, or wide.

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Like there's, it's just tight.

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So it was like getting a full-size truck, but then,

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and then I think at the time, oh yeah, no,

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we did have Jacob, we had our son.

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So he was like less than a year old.

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And he said something about like, I want the truck,

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but there's not a lot of cargo, like cab room.

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And I looked around and I was like,

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I don't think a truck is much different than this Malibu.

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Like if we can get the car seat in the Malibu,

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like there's trucks that have this size of thing.

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And it was like looking at you,

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I feel like I saw a light bulb go off.

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He looked up like the dimensions of the Malibu.

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Then he started looking up the dimensions of the trucks.

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But when I said truck, I thought he was going to get

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like a Silverado or Sierra.

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And then he was talking about a Colorado.

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And he's like, oh, and if I get this AE version,

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snorkel and all this other stuff.

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And I was like, what?

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He's like, so off-road, what?

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So I was like, oh, when you said truck,

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I was just thinking you want to just, okay.

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So I remember, cause you were sitting at your parents' house

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and you're looking and I was like, oh, okay.

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Is that what I thought? But this sounds fun.

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Yeah.

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So I wanted like the ZR2 at the time.

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There was no Gladiator.

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It was like Jeep or buy something and upgrade it.

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And we weren't using it.

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And full disclosure, we work for General Motors.

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So we needed to buy a Jeep product.

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I kind of put that together.

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So yeah, so this was like the perfect platform.

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It was like factory lifted, factory protection,

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factory suspension, like everything.

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It was like, yeah, it was front and rear lockers.

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Yeah.

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Everything off the factory.

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I was like, I can take it off road the day one.

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And that's what we started doing.

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And then we just started more adding

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for the camping element.

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Like I like the off-roading,

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but we are campers fundamentally.

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Like that's where we came from.

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So the off-roading just allowed us to get deeper

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into the woods or off trail to get to the camp spots.

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Right? That was, that's our fundamental thing.

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I explained when people were like, what is overlanding?

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And he had to explain it to me.

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And then when I watched, when he showed me some videos,

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I was like, oh, so it's like backpacking,

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but you're in a truck.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Pretty much. Pretty much.

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Yeah. And that's what our camper looks like.

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Yeah. It looks like a backpack.

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It does.

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We don't want to bring a bunch of extra gear

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and weight and all that.

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And they're like, ah, okay.

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So really that was a long wind for your question.

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Hey, that was really it.

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But, but I mean, we have solar, we have our fridge.

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We have a water tank.

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Water.

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Propane.

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Propane for cooking.

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I refuse to put a heater in.

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I will continue to state that.

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I'm not gonna do that.

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And so yeah.

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So what's the toilet?

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And then yeah, toilet I'd rather have than a heater.

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I can, I can understand.

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Oh yeah.

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Toilet is 100% necessary.

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What's the distaste for a heater?

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Mainly because I mean, you get, we're from Michigan.

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Like we're heartier.

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Like we can't.

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Yeah.

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Like.

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He, I mean, it's not something I want to do,

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but I, I, I have zero interest in like winter camping.

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Okay. So I do like winter camping.

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I haven't done it many times, but I've camped in the cold.

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Like I've tent camped and woked up, you know,

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woke up with snow on the ground.

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Like I'm like, if I can do that, I can camp in a truck.

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In snow. Right.

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This is not a big deal.

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Right.

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So last year I went two times.

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I went in February and March and it was the first night

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it was down to 15 degrees.

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I was totally fine.

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It was no big deal.

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It's once it got down to single digits,

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then I would wake up with ice everywhere.

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Just because of the breath and everything.

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I was like, okay, this is where a heater

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would actually be nice.

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You can bring it to 30 degrees or whatever.

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Just manage the humidity that would have,

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that might be nice.

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I know I keep burping the sausage.

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Your burps are gonna stop.

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Yeah.

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I think that the, the big thing to a heater,

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the only reason I'd be interested is like a diesel heater

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dries the tent out.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That would be an effect.

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Yes.

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I, you know, when I, I sleep in a military sleeping system,

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I've got the, I can be warm in whatever weather,

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but just being able to keep the tent

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from having ice everywhere would be great.

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Yeah.

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And this is the only time I had ice.

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Like, so that it's like, okay, well,

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maybe just avoid single digits.

367
00:38:53,180 --> 00:38:54,020
That shouldn't be.

368
00:38:54,020 --> 00:38:55,420
Yeah.

369
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:59,540
So for me, and I'd just like to say too that

370
00:38:59,540 --> 00:39:01,220
how you guys kind of started with,

371
00:39:01,220 --> 00:39:03,580
and your kind of attitude about it was,

372
00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:06,580
is very similar to my wife and I,

373
00:39:06,580 --> 00:39:08,100
and how we kind of started.

374
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,420
And then we kind of wanted to,

375
00:39:10,420 --> 00:39:14,140
when I started, we did more backpacking, camping,

376
00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:17,780
and I kind of just wanted to bring the vehicle with it.

377
00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:20,620
And then, you know, we just got just the same kind of thing,

378
00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:21,900
snowballed from there.

379
00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:25,420
Even talking about all the upgrades,

380
00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:27,020
even before we even got the vehicle,

381
00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:29,180
yeah, that was pretty standard.

382
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:33,380
But for us, diesel heater wise,

383
00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:37,180
my wife shivers at like 65.

384
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:41,580
So she's got a sweatshirt on.

385
00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:46,220
And, you know, I started camping and, you know,

386
00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:49,020
and overlanding pretty, I would say, I don't know,

387
00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:51,500
seriously as in every weekend almost,

388
00:39:53,180 --> 00:39:57,300
with my son when he was probably six months old.

389
00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:01,420
So having a warm tent, because we are not,

390
00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:05,020
we are not to the rooftop tent part or anything like that.

391
00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:07,540
So, you know, at first we were like,

392
00:40:07,540 --> 00:40:08,820
okay, we're gonna wait a couple months

393
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:10,500
till it's warm enough for him

394
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:12,020
because of how young he was.

395
00:40:12,860 --> 00:40:14,900
You know, we did great all summer.

396
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:17,460
And then we started getting into fall again.

397
00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:20,100
My wife's teeth are chattering.

398
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:23,140
You know, it was one of those things where we ended up

399
00:40:23,140 --> 00:40:26,300
going to Tractor Supply, picking up a buddy heater

400
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:28,260
and heating the tent up.

401
00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:33,180
So it's just more of a comfort thing for her.

402
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:35,420
Can I do it? Probably.

403
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:38,860
Am I gonna love and enjoy it all the time?

404
00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:40,740
Is it gonna make me wanna go out in the middle

405
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:41,740
of the winter all the time?

406
00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:43,740
Probably not so much.

407
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:48,540
So I think I'm interested in a diesel heater just for that,

408
00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:51,940
just more of a comfort level while we're out there anyway,

409
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:56,260
or just kind of bring the tent down a little bit for her

410
00:40:57,660 --> 00:40:59,820
just to make it more bearable.

411
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:03,500
Because I have dragged her along half the time.

412
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,220
One reason that makes me nervous about the heater

413
00:41:06,220 --> 00:41:09,140
is the way that our sleeping system works right now

414
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:14,140
with our son is we're up top in the canopy where the bed is,

415
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:18,020
but then he's small enough to where he can sleep

416
00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:19,460
the width of the truck.

417
00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:24,460
And to move out our platform, we put in ledges

418
00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:27,340
so that you can put plywood, like slats of wood,

419
00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:29,460
over the fridge.

420
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:31,020
And so he sleeps over that.

421
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:32,980
So, and then when he's time for bed,

422
00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:34,420
we'll put him in there, we'll lock him up,

423
00:41:34,420 --> 00:41:36,420
and we'll just hang out near the truck.

424
00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:40,940
But I get nervous about the idea of like little fingers

425
00:41:40,940 --> 00:41:43,540
and like open flame.

426
00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:45,780
And I mean, I guess we could only use it

427
00:41:45,780 --> 00:41:48,380
when we're there too, but I just,

428
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:50,060
it's just like one more safety thing

429
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:52,100
that makes me nervous.

430
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:54,660
But if he was in there by himself.

431
00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:56,060
Understandable.

432
00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:59,700
Yeah, I am a hundred percent the helicopter parent

433
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:02,140
on my, in our relationship.

434
00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:04,540
I'm the always the one like, hey, don't do that.

435
00:42:04,540 --> 00:42:06,900
Like constantly trying to make sure

436
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:08,380
he's not getting into trouble.

437
00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:13,260
And for those, your system that you have,

438
00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:15,460
just depending, depending obviously,

439
00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:19,780
but there are Etsy kits, 3D printed ducks

440
00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:21,820
that you can work in there.

441
00:42:21,820 --> 00:42:24,860
And it would be almost, it would be very similar

442
00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:29,380
to just basically having a dryer duct go through it.

443
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:32,980
So you would, your diesel heater stays outside.

444
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:37,140
So there's no risk of flame, no risk of being burnt.

445
00:42:37,140 --> 00:42:40,460
And then it just kind of ducks into your,

446
00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:43,140
wherever you want to actually put it,

447
00:42:43,140 --> 00:42:46,860
into your sleep area, your alley cab.

448
00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:50,780
So that, and you can most, and most likely put a vent,

449
00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:52,500
you know, a great vent or, you know,

450
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:54,660
some sort of keep the fingers out.

451
00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:58,020
But that, that is another option that,

452
00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:01,580
it's pretty versatile too.

453
00:43:01,580 --> 00:43:04,700
And the diesel heaters are really, really good

454
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:06,020
if you have, you have solar power.

455
00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:11,020
So they run off a battery and diesel,

456
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:13,420
but even off of just a little bit of diesel,

457
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:14,700
they can heat you for a while.

458
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:18,740
So that keep you really nice and toasty in the winter.

459
00:43:18,740 --> 00:43:21,980
We went to Iceland where our son was born

460
00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:23,980
and we rented a camper van

461
00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:26,060
and they had a heater.

462
00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:29,380
I don't remember, I think it was electric.

463
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:31,140
I don't know, but it was like, it was nice

464
00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:35,380
because it definitely did take like the chill

465
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:36,980
and like the moisture out of the air

466
00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:40,780
and really made the inside of the van a lot warmer.

467
00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:44,260
To the point of like, if it was going on,

468
00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:46,300
I wouldn't want to leave because like they were last night

469
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:48,820
was like the best night for Northern Lights.

470
00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:52,140
And our campsite, we were like on the shore.

471
00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:55,420
Also, I had just gotten done like showering.

472
00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:58,140
So my hair was wet and like, I didn't want to,

473
00:43:58,140 --> 00:44:01,660
I think I brought a blow dryer with me, but I didn't,

474
00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:04,300
the bathroom wasn't like ideal for me to dry it.

475
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:07,360
So I just like ran, you know, from the shower house

476
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,940
to the van and got in there and like warmed up.

477
00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:10,940
He said, you gotta come out here.

478
00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:12,900
And I was like, I'm not, I'm not leaving, I'm done.

479
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:14,380
Sorry.

480
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:16,780
I hate to be that, but I'm cold.

481
00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:19,820
I'm warm now, I'm no.

482
00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:22,220
Yep, yep, that's a-

483
00:44:22,220 --> 00:44:23,660
See your photos when they're done.

484
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:28,160
Yeah, that would be, that would be my, my wife would be,

485
00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:31,580
I'd get the diesel heater or something started up there.

486
00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:34,420
And once she's got the heat and she's all snuggled up

487
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:36,540
in bed or whatever, she's not coming back out.

488
00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:37,420
She doesn't care.

489
00:44:37,420 --> 00:44:38,260
No camping.

490
00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:39,940
She's show me, show me the pictures.

491
00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:41,180
I'll look at them later.

492
00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:45,060
So I mean, that's another thing I like about Overlanding

493
00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:47,980
because like we started it and it was like our first time

494
00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:49,980
going in, it was super hot.

495
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:52,500
I remember like drenching and sweat as we were getting,

496
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:56,180
like we actually hit some pretty crazy obstacles

497
00:44:56,180 --> 00:44:58,660
that I don't think were anticipated.

498
00:44:58,660 --> 00:45:00,820
But the nice thing is, is like you're in your car all day.

499
00:45:00,820 --> 00:45:02,220
So it's like, you can put the air on.

500
00:45:02,220 --> 00:45:04,140
So you can like kind of cool off.

501
00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:06,260
It's like when you, you know, if you have to get out

502
00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:08,300
and do stuff, it gets hot.

503
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:10,780
But then, or like when you get to camp,

504
00:45:10,780 --> 00:45:12,020
but usually we try and find it.

505
00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:14,820
Like we're, the group we're with always tries to find water.

506
00:45:14,820 --> 00:45:16,060
So then you're hanging out with the water.

507
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:17,300
So that's nice.

508
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,740
Same thing with winter, like I guess with winter camping,

509
00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:21,060
it's like, we'll get in the car.

510
00:45:21,060 --> 00:45:24,060
You can warm up the heater and then we get to camp.

511
00:45:24,060 --> 00:45:25,860
Like you can go sit by the campfire.

512
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:28,740
We'll have to-

513
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:30,700
Not a time like this though.

514
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:33,100
It's good to have separate activities.

515
00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:38,100
I think next year we're gonna plan a couple winter trips.

516
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:39,260
You should come out with us, one of them.

517
00:45:39,260 --> 00:45:41,300
Yes, I have not made it out this year.

518
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:42,820
I'll go, she probably won't.

519
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:43,900
My son, Steve's-

520
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:45,420
My wife won't go, so.

521
00:45:45,420 --> 00:45:46,260
Yeah.

522
00:45:46,260 --> 00:45:47,620
I loved it.

523
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:49,940
And like, she's like, like, how'd you stay warm?

524
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:53,100
I was like, I literally walked away from the campfire

525
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,060
and climbed into bed.

526
00:45:55,060 --> 00:45:55,900
Yeah.

527
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:58,820
And then I woke up and I did it the same day.

528
00:45:58,820 --> 00:46:00,260
You didn't change?

529
00:46:00,260 --> 00:46:02,740
No, because why would I put cold clothes?

530
00:46:02,740 --> 00:46:03,580
Yeah.

531
00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:04,420
I was warm.

532
00:46:04,420 --> 00:46:05,940
Well, sometimes I'll do that though.

533
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:08,660
Like I'll change into my pajamas, but then I'll sleep.

534
00:46:08,660 --> 00:46:10,620
Like I'll put my clothes for the next day,

535
00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:12,580
like next in my sleeping bag

536
00:46:12,580 --> 00:46:14,260
so that they're warm in the morning.

537
00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:18,140
But I just, yeah, he can wear like the same thing.

538
00:46:18,140 --> 00:46:21,340
I'm not like, you guys got a good day.

539
00:46:21,340 --> 00:46:22,860
Like I actually put makeup on today.

540
00:46:22,860 --> 00:46:26,300
Like I am not a usually a fancy person,

541
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:27,740
but I have some limits.

542
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:29,620
Like I can't stay in the same clothes

543
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:31,700
for like four days camping.

544
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:32,740
Yeah.

545
00:46:32,740 --> 00:46:36,700
Yeah, the minimalist guy camping style

546
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:40,460
isn't great for families either.

547
00:46:40,460 --> 00:46:41,540
So.

548
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:44,180
I at a bare minimum have to change my underwear

549
00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:45,180
and my shirt.

550
00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:46,020
Yeah.

551
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:47,140
Yeah.

552
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:48,340
And so.

553
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:49,180
It's got to change.

554
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:50,620
It's a lot too much.

555
00:46:50,620 --> 00:46:51,460
Oh yeah.

556
00:46:51,460 --> 00:46:52,300
Socks too.

557
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:53,460
Yeah.

558
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:54,300
Yeah.

559
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:56,940
I always bring plenty of those two

560
00:46:56,940 --> 00:47:00,100
and then I'll bring a couple of each just in case,

561
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:01,980
but yeah, we try to,

562
00:47:01,980 --> 00:47:05,340
I try to make it as comfortable as possible

563
00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:08,580
so that she continues to want to go out.

564
00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:12,300
So she's not, she doesn't balk away from it really.

565
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:16,220
You know, she goes, if we ever go camping, she always comes,

566
00:47:16,220 --> 00:47:17,620
but it's just a comfort level.

567
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:20,020
If she's having fun, we're all having fun.

568
00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:20,940
It's also a lot.

569
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:21,780
Okay.

570
00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:23,740
I guess we're going to have an anatomy discussion too.

571
00:47:23,740 --> 00:47:28,060
It's a lot harder as a female when it's cold

572
00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:32,740
for using the facilities and there's just.

573
00:47:32,740 --> 00:47:33,580
No it is.

574
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:38,580
There's just not something I want to have to deal with.

575
00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:39,420
Like.

576
00:47:39,420 --> 00:47:40,260
Understandable.

577
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:41,100
So.

578
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:41,940
Yeah.

579
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:44,460
You guys have been to overlanding the red.

580
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:46,340
You've been to Iceland.

581
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:49,620
Where is your favorite trip you've done so far?

582
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:54,140
So this is hard because we have different reasons why.

583
00:47:56,460 --> 00:48:00,340
Our first like road trip that we took,

584
00:48:00,340 --> 00:48:03,060
we flew out to Colorado and they,

585
00:48:03,060 --> 00:48:05,100
we actually rented a four runner and that was a lot.

586
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:07,460
We really enjoyed driving the four runner

587
00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:09,420
and we like flew into Denver,

588
00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:12,540
rented it and did like a big loop and camps.

589
00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:15,460
And like we flew out like our backpacking stuff.

590
00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:19,860
So we had like our tent and just drove around and camps.

591
00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:23,060
And then, you know, for like 10 days and then came home.

592
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:24,060
So that was fun.

593
00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:26,620
But then Iceland was fun because it was Iceland

594
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:27,620
and it was different.

595
00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:28,860
And right.

596
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:30,940
It was a camper van that was like living

597
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:31,780
in the camper van.

598
00:48:31,780 --> 00:48:32,620
That was cool.

599
00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:33,460
That was like our first forte

600
00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:36,780
into what we didn't know at the time was overlanding.

601
00:48:36,780 --> 00:48:38,900
It was like the four runner was just car camping.

602
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:41,220
We'd get out the tent and do whatever.

603
00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:43,740
I mean, not to get in the semantics of whatever,

604
00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:46,020
but at the time for us, that was car camping.

605
00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:47,860
That's what we knew.

606
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:51,180
And so, so then with the camper van,

607
00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:53,260
even though we didn't really off road it,

608
00:48:53,260 --> 00:48:55,860
it was like, oh, we're like living in it and getting out.

609
00:48:55,860 --> 00:48:57,580
And like, this is interesting.

610
00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:59,140
And then it all kind of came together.

611
00:48:59,140 --> 00:49:02,420
The four runner, the camper van late, a few years later,

612
00:49:02,420 --> 00:49:05,100
they're like, oh, this is what they call overlanding.

613
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:06,380
Oh, okay.

614
00:49:06,380 --> 00:49:09,700
And it was, what was cool about the camper van in Iceland

615
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,740
is like everything was with us.

616
00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:15,860
So like we, you know, we'd be driving.

617
00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:18,260
I mean, you know, we have like the whole thing plotted out

618
00:49:18,260 --> 00:49:20,100
and like an itinerary for each day.

619
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:21,820
And we'd be like in route and we'd be like,

620
00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:23,820
oh, there's a waterfall over there that we missed.

621
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:25,700
So we'd like go check it out.

622
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:27,740
And then like everyone, they were looking at it

623
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:28,820
and we're like, oh, that's cool.

624
00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:29,660
Are you hungry for lunch?

625
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:30,500
Yeah, me too.

626
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:32,660
And we would just like open up the back and get the camp.

627
00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:35,020
Like they, it came with like a camping stove,

628
00:49:35,020 --> 00:49:39,020
tables, chairs, everything we needed, sleeping bags.

629
00:49:39,020 --> 00:49:42,540
So, and we brought freeze dried meals with us.

630
00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:45,540
So we just boiled some water and let it sit.

631
00:49:45,540 --> 00:49:47,700
And we sat like next to this beautiful waterfall

632
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:49,900
and ate lunch where it was like other people would be like,

633
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:52,140
oh, we have to go find somewhere to eat.

634
00:49:52,140 --> 00:49:55,980
Or like I actually went back to Iceland over Thanksgiving

635
00:49:55,980 --> 00:49:59,180
with my sister-in-law and my niece.

636
00:49:59,180 --> 00:50:00,940
And you know, we stayed in hotels,

637
00:50:00,940 --> 00:50:03,620
which was really nice too.

638
00:50:03,620 --> 00:50:06,860
But it was like, you were kind of tethered to that hotel.

639
00:50:06,860 --> 00:50:11,580
I mean, it was a much shorter trip, but like, yeah, I mean,

640
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:13,840
everything has its pluses and minuses,

641
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,480
but I liked that you were just able to keep going

642
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,660
and had everything with you.

643
00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:21,660
And so you could pivot, easily pivot

644
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:24,460
because you're like, I want to eat lunch now,

645
00:50:24,460 --> 00:50:26,220
or oh, let's go do this.

646
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:27,620
Or, oh, there's a hot spring.

647
00:50:27,620 --> 00:50:29,980
Let's put our swimsuits on and go, go swim.

648
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:32,180
Yeah, I think those are like, they're the most memorable

649
00:50:32,180 --> 00:50:36,900
because they turned into be foundational to what we now do.

650
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:38,940
And like, even the thing is, is like,

651
00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:40,820
at the time we actually took

652
00:50:40,820 --> 00:50:42,780
conversation starter games to Iceland.

653
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:43,900
That's why I was like, this is a new thing.

654
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:45,700
This is a thing that we've done for years.

655
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:47,700
We've always done conversation starter games

656
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:50,540
or like things because we spend a lot of time together,

657
00:50:50,540 --> 00:50:52,340
but we can't always think of what to talk about.

658
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:53,860
So this was like a normal thing for us.

659
00:50:53,860 --> 00:50:55,660
So like, those are the most meaningful,

660
00:50:55,660 --> 00:50:57,500
but like, if you start thinking about, okay,

661
00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:59,500
once we got the truck, like, what do we like?

662
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:02,300
Well, we go to Drummond Island quite a bit.

663
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:06,580
And we tend to go with family and they rent a house.

664
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:07,700
And sometimes we stay in the house.

665
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:09,900
Sometimes we stay in the driveway in our truck

666
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,860
and we do day trips around Drummond Island.

667
00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:13,820
So that's become meaningful for us

668
00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:16,180
for more of the technical kind of aspect.

669
00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:18,860
And it's Michigan and we enjoy that piece.

670
00:51:18,860 --> 00:51:19,700
But then we did-

671
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:22,620
Even if they have to go and destroy it on us.

672
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:26,380
Yeah, Marv, I know, I know, I know, so many.

673
00:51:26,380 --> 00:51:30,140
The other memorable trip for us was two summers ago

674
00:51:30,140 --> 00:51:32,580
and we took two weeks off of work

675
00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:35,340
and we drove from Michigan.

676
00:51:35,340 --> 00:51:39,180
We went to visit his brother in Omaha, but then we're like,

677
00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:40,980
oh, I have a cousin that's in Iowa city.

678
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:42,860
Let's stop and see them.

679
00:51:42,860 --> 00:51:44,860
And then we did that and then we're like,

680
00:51:44,860 --> 00:51:47,940
oh, let's go check out some of this stuff.

681
00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:49,500
And then he was looking at it and we're like,

682
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:51,940
oh, well next weekend we have a wedding in Wisconsin.

683
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:54,500
Let's just, we had a vacation,

684
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:57,620
but it turned into why would we drive out there

685
00:51:57,620 --> 00:51:59,380
to drive back, to like drive back out.

686
00:51:59,380 --> 00:52:01,020
So we did this like huge loop

687
00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:04,460
and we went all the way over to like the east side

688
00:52:04,460 --> 00:52:07,020
of Montana to like the Dakotas.

689
00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:08,940
Devil's tower one, I don't mean this far.

690
00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:10,780
And then North Dakota, South Dakota,

691
00:52:10,780 --> 00:52:13,060
like we did all those states, a big circle.

692
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:14,500
It was like 17 days.

693
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:15,340
With our son.

694
00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:16,180
With our son.

695
00:52:16,180 --> 00:52:18,900
And so like from a, we were like, and he did pretty good.

696
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:23,560
We made it, we did not wanna go more than four hours

697
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,060
at a time with him without like a significant break.

698
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:31,380
And we would go four hours, find like a playground,

699
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:33,380
let him play and run around.

700
00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:35,020
Paul would make sandwiches in the back.

701
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:37,640
We'd eat, you know, and then we continue on.

702
00:52:39,100 --> 00:52:41,620
And like, so I think that was really good for us

703
00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:44,260
because we grew up going on road trips,

704
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:49,260
but we're kind of, our radius is not as large

705
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:51,860
because of a small child, but we realized like,

706
00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:55,420
we can start taking some of these bigger trips, you know,

707
00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:58,300
and like our next, I think in another year or two,

708
00:52:58,300 --> 00:52:59,940
I think our next thing will be like to take

709
00:52:59,940 --> 00:53:02,700
another two weeks and go like a little bit further west.

710
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:05,380
And maybe at the beginning, we have to like hammer

711
00:53:05,380 --> 00:53:08,380
through like 12 hours of straight driving to get

712
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:11,580
to where we want and then do, you know, shorter trips

713
00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:12,700
and stuff.

714
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:17,700
Yeah, that's very, very similar to kind of how we,

715
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:18,540
how we would do it.

716
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:21,700
The four hour you did, I think that's a universal kid thing

717
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:26,700
there, like after about four hours, it's the screeching

718
00:53:26,820 --> 00:53:29,300
and the crying is you gotta stop.

719
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:30,140
Yeah.

720
00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:35,140
We did around Lake Superior or the UP, go to the UP,

721
00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:41,780
did the whole east up until about Leante came down,

722
00:53:42,260 --> 00:53:45,520
did the whole bottom coast and did that big trip.

723
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,940
And that was very similar.

724
00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:50,220
It was every four or so hours we stopped,

725
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:53,860
make a sandwich and you know, and that is very nice

726
00:53:53,860 --> 00:53:58,740
because you save a ton of money having all your own food.

727
00:53:58,740 --> 00:54:01,140
You don't have to go a bunch of different places.

728
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:06,220
Don't need lodging hotels, you know, state ground is free.

729
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:09,620
So it's a, overlanding is a really great way to travel

730
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:14,620
and see everything and do it kind of, I say budget,

731
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:16,960
but cause you ended up spending all that probably

732
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,040
on the truck to do it, but it's a great way to be able

733
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,500
to go and explore and do all that stuff

734
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,720
and do it relatively cheap while you're out there.

735
00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:30,660
And you just, you always have everything you need.

736
00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:33,460
So like even that Nat trip, we had reserved quite

737
00:54:33,460 --> 00:54:35,500
a few places because we were like,

738
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:37,740
we're going to do this plan, but some days we couldn't drive

739
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:39,860
as far as we wanted because of the kid.

740
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:40,700
Some days are short.

741
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:44,380
We ended up like 75% of the places we ended up canceling

742
00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:47,380
and just finding somewhere else to stay because it fit.

743
00:54:47,380 --> 00:54:49,620
So like now I'm just after that trip,

744
00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:50,980
I'm like, I'm not reserving places.

745
00:54:50,980 --> 00:54:52,340
We're just driving.

746
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:55,900
You also like, yeah, you're looking at things online.

747
00:54:55,900 --> 00:55:00,020
You have no idea of like concept of time or, you know, like,

748
00:55:00,020 --> 00:55:01,900
oh, that kind of looks close on the map.

749
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:04,620
I mean, that happened in Iceland where I,

750
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:06,740
we planned the trip very last minute.

751
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:09,860
And so I found this website where you could buy

752
00:55:09,860 --> 00:55:13,900
like a camper card and it was, you paid a flat rate

753
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:17,620
and it got you so many visits at all these campgrounds

754
00:55:17,620 --> 00:55:19,260
in Iceland.

755
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:21,200
And so, because I didn't know, I was like,

756
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,020
I plotted all those campgrounds and then we,

757
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:25,340
we use those plots to like connect the dots.

758
00:55:25,340 --> 00:55:26,660
And there was this one where I was like, oh,

759
00:55:26,660 --> 00:55:28,800
there was these two campsites and we were like, you know,

760
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,900
this very close together on the map.

761
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:34,500
Well, I picked like the Eastern most one and we're driving

762
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:36,400
and this is getting to like the end of the day

763
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,660
and it's just us and we go and we're like, oh,

764
00:55:38,660 --> 00:55:39,760
that must be the campground.

765
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,380
And then we look at like the GPS and we're like, oh no,

766
00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:44,660
we still have like two and a half hours.

767
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:47,140
So we're going and we're going, we're like, where,

768
00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:50,180
what in the hell did I do?

769
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:53,540
And we're going like up the mountains, down the valleys,

770
00:55:53,540 --> 00:55:55,320
back to quarter.

771
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,460
And we're like, well, at this point we gotta keep going.

772
00:55:57,460 --> 00:55:59,340
And I tell you what, I'm so glad we did

773
00:55:59,340 --> 00:56:02,700
because we found the coolest little city that it,

774
00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:05,740
I didn't make, if I hadn't said, no,

775
00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:06,980
I wanna go to that campground

776
00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:10,820
because that's what we reserved, then we'd have missed out.

777
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:12,020
And it was really cool.

778
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:15,380
It was like, yeah, you had to go up the mountain

779
00:56:15,380 --> 00:56:17,140
and then you went down into this valley

780
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:18,460
and it was like a port city.

781
00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:20,620
So there was like a cruise ship there.

782
00:56:20,620 --> 00:56:22,140
It was actually one of the only places

783
00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:25,100
that was relatively open late.

784
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:27,500
It's not like we were like staying out, you know,

785
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:28,820
until two or three in the morning.

786
00:56:28,820 --> 00:56:32,420
It was like things just shut, they had such weird hours.

787
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:33,620
Yeah, everything just really,

788
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:37,180
but because this was like a port town for this cruise,

789
00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:40,540
things were open and it was like a boom mini city.

790
00:56:40,540 --> 00:56:42,500
And we're like, this is amazing.

791
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:43,700
Talking about back to the heater,

792
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:46,180
we found a warm building where we could go and sit.

793
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:47,580
We got a few pints.

794
00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:49,180
He's like, I'm gonna go get us some appetizers

795
00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:51,220
because we already ate dinner

796
00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:54,340
and he came back with this plate of like lamb.

797
00:56:54,340 --> 00:56:56,020
A big old lamb leg like this.

798
00:56:56,020 --> 00:56:57,860
Yeah. Oh, man.

799
00:56:57,860 --> 00:56:58,700
And vegetables.

800
00:56:58,700 --> 00:56:59,900
And he's like, they don't apparently do-

801
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:02,980
Appetizers are the thing outside of the US apparently.

802
00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:06,820
It was the best lamb dinner I've ever had.

803
00:57:06,820 --> 00:57:09,340
And I can still, I think it's just cause it was warm

804
00:57:09,340 --> 00:57:10,460
and it was just like-

805
00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:12,660
And a massive lamb.

806
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:14,460
It was just warm to be inside

807
00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:17,540
and it wasn't like stew, watery spaghetti,

808
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:18,780
freeze dried spaghetti.

809
00:57:18,780 --> 00:57:20,820
Oh yeah, absolutely.

810
00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:24,020
Yeah, I think my problem was

811
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:26,180
is when I first, we started overlining,

812
00:57:26,180 --> 00:57:28,700
let's say we did that, that UP trip,

813
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:30,660
basically east to middle UP,

814
00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:33,780
I over planned the heck out of it.

815
00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:35,860
I had points everywhere.

816
00:57:35,860 --> 00:57:40,860
I had every waterfall close to the coast already mapped out

817
00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:47,180
and I tried and I really tried to make sure

818
00:57:47,180 --> 00:57:50,340
I hit every little mark on our itinerary

819
00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:54,940
but with our son being probably six months old

820
00:57:54,940 --> 00:57:57,220
at that time, it wasn't happening.

821
00:57:57,220 --> 00:57:58,940
We found that out really quick.

822
00:57:58,940 --> 00:58:02,060
And then from there, I kind of realized

823
00:58:02,060 --> 00:58:05,500
it was nice to have a basic idea of where you're going.

824
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:08,140
And it kind of just kind of let it happen

825
00:58:08,140 --> 00:58:10,820
and see where you go because that's kind of the,

826
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:12,940
kind of one of the better parts that we ended up doing

827
00:58:12,940 --> 00:58:16,420
is we marked absolute major waterfalls

828
00:58:16,420 --> 00:58:17,580
that we wanted to see.

829
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:21,820
And we just kind of took the coast until we found,

830
00:58:23,460 --> 00:58:26,020
I can't even remember what the little town is

831
00:58:26,020 --> 00:58:29,060
but it was right on Lake Superior in a little bay

832
00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:30,780
and it was absolutely gorgeous.

833
00:58:30,780 --> 00:58:32,700
They had really beautiful food trucks.

834
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:35,580
The whole town was just really quaint

835
00:58:35,580 --> 00:58:36,740
and we would never would have found that

836
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:38,260
if we stuck to my itinerary.

837
00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:43,060
But that is the really cool part about overlanding

838
00:58:43,060 --> 00:58:45,260
in general is just doing stuff like that.

839
00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:50,540
Well, on that note, oh, am I muted?

840
00:58:50,540 --> 00:58:51,380
No, I'm not.

841
00:58:51,380 --> 00:58:55,740
On that note, we should cut this episode off

842
00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:59,180
and go to it and play some radio chatter.

843
00:58:59,180 --> 00:59:04,180
Yeah.