4 00:00:19,220 --> 00:00:34,380 Welcome to Botches Off Road. Join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to 5 00:00:34,380 --> 00:00:39,300 trail stories, tank camping to rock landing and all things to do with the outdoors. Today 6 00:00:39,300 --> 00:00:47,020 is another Radio Chatter game episode with really special. You know, we recorded these 7 00:00:47,020 --> 00:00:54,860 backwards and I'm just noticing that we've got the people that actually made Radio Chatter 8 00:00:54,860 --> 00:00:59,540 here and they're going to play the game with us a little bit, but we already recorded the 9 00:00:59,540 --> 00:01:05,020 hour long episode that comes out after the one. So you'll get to hear them and give the 10 00:01:05,020 --> 00:01:09,300 little game reviews. And then in a couple of days you can listen to them tell their 11 00:01:09,300 --> 00:01:21,300 story. So I guess that works out that way. Absolutely planned. Yeah, exactly. I think 12 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:26,620 originally he talked about doing the half an hour before the hour was just get my stuff. 13 00:01:26,620 --> 00:01:31,300 I definitely did talk about doing the half hour first. That's okay. That's okay. Yeah. 14 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:36,380 We roll with it. Well, Alex, how about this? You want to you want to start off with their 15 00:01:36,380 --> 00:01:41,940 our first card here? Sure. I'll just draw off the top of the deck today. Draw off the 16 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:51,900 top of the deck. Man, and we get an after dark card right out of the bat. What would 17 00:01:51,900 --> 00:02:04,100 be your rigs porn star name? Oh gosh. Red rocket. Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty. That's 18 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:11,940 pretty good. His is our Colorado's red. Oh yeah. Valentine's Day. So we it is named Valentine. 19 00:02:11,940 --> 00:02:18,260 We call it Valentine. What's your porn star name supposed to be like at first? Your street 20 00:02:18,260 --> 00:02:27,140 name your dog's your dog. But I'm gonna replace it to be like the street you grew up on. Yeah. 21 00:02:27,140 --> 00:02:37,540 But I gotta add your vehicle's name. So it's like Percy Valentine. Red Rockets. I like 22 00:02:37,540 --> 00:02:42,100 that. Yeah. Red Rockets. And she added on deck too. Yeah. She thought about this. She 23 00:02:42,100 --> 00:02:52,580 thinks a lot about it. I do not. You know, mine would be Midwest Silver Bullet. Yeah, 24 00:02:52,580 --> 00:02:57,460 the Silver Bullet. Yeah, I could definitely see that. Mine would be something along the 25 00:02:57,460 --> 00:03:03,900 lines of like broke back Nellie or something. It is because it's always breaking too. So 26 00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:09,860 it's really kind of a double double. She's the she's the I don't want to say milk. She's 27 00:03:09,860 --> 00:03:19,420 the guilt of the group. Yeah, I'll be honest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really 28 00:03:19,420 --> 00:03:26,940 think about mine, but I just call her like Big Cherry or something like that. You know, 29 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:33,540 I can't really. It's hard to describe my FJ, you know, in any other way. But big, you know, 30 00:03:33,540 --> 00:03:41,580 in a way and dark cherry dark color of a black cherry. Yeah. So that that's that's the only 31 00:03:41,580 --> 00:03:50,860 one that was a interesting one to start on. All right. Well, you guys draw on this stuff. 32 00:03:50,860 --> 00:03:58,860 Yeah. Yeah. Check. I was just I just haven't made out. Go ahead. What close encounter with 33 00:03:58,860 --> 00:04:10,660 nature have you had? Oh, I haven't run into that one yet. That's that's a are we are we 34 00:04:10,660 --> 00:04:16,460 talking like dangerous creatures here or we just could be anything. Anything. Yeah. So 35 00:04:16,460 --> 00:04:24,820 I'll tell you. I was I was going to say, I think initially when I read that, I think 36 00:04:24,820 --> 00:04:30,420 of like an animal. But sure. Like, did you get stranded? We made it a point to poison 37 00:04:30,420 --> 00:04:37,300 ivy or something. Yes. And with nature, because there was some we had some like we had some 38 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:42,060 questions about like, you know, what was your worst like breakdown on the trip or something? 39 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:47,300 And we're like, no, that's all like bad. You do like bad. We're not even going to put questions 40 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:53,420 to like prompt the conversation about that. But this is yeah, this could be like, did 41 00:04:53,420 --> 00:04:58,340 you get broken down in nature? You know, like out or something. Because the other thing 42 00:04:58,340 --> 00:05:05,100 too is like, we also want them to be like, open to interpretation. Yes. Right. Yep. You 43 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:09,780 know, I think the with anything, if you were playing with somebody and it's like, yes, 44 00:05:09,780 --> 00:05:15,740 yes, I have. Oh, yeah. No. But yeah. You know, like you, I want to hear the stories. You 45 00:05:15,740 --> 00:05:25,260 know, have the conversation. So I was camping in Carr Canyon in Sierra. Well, I guess technically 46 00:05:25,260 --> 00:05:31,700 it's not Sierra Vista. It's whatever the city next to Sierra Vista, Arizona is. And I went 47 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:37,900 to get in the driver's seat of my J 4000 and there was a rattlesnake curled up on my driver's 48 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:45,940 seat. Oh, that's a close encounter. And I had to I had to find a stick to kind of coax 49 00:05:45,940 --> 00:05:52,500 it out of the cab of my truck. How close were you from sitting on it or like? Oh, I noticed 50 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:57,460 as soon as I opened the door, it didn't even notice me before I noticed it. OK, so OK, 51 00:05:57,460 --> 00:06:03,660 so wait, how did it get in there? Was the window cracked? It's an old truck there. I'm 52 00:06:03,660 --> 00:06:10,780 sure there was a hole somewhere. Fair enough. Fair enough. But I had it parked. I had it 53 00:06:10,780 --> 00:06:17,020 parked. So the windshield was like, you know, it was kind of facing west, kind of right 54 00:06:17,020 --> 00:06:21,740 over a mountain. So it was right in a clearing. So the inside of the cab was nice and warm. 55 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:27,700 That snake must have just wanted in there so bad. It was toasty, man. Got to bring them 56 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:35,740 inside, heat them up. I thought I thought I wanted this is like a silly one because we 57 00:06:35,740 --> 00:06:40,900 shared this one a few times. So but something different. So with the alacav, we like to 58 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:44,700 leave the windows open and doors open like when we're at the campfire because you just 59 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:50,220 get in and grab a beer. But you're always getting bugs in there. So we decided to hang 60 00:06:50,220 --> 00:06:56,420 the little buzz bugs, zapper things, USB things. So this will this will, you know, zap them 61 00:06:56,420 --> 00:07:01,140 all. Yeah. Didn't think. No, I thought it was a repellent. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I thought 62 00:07:01,140 --> 00:07:05,940 it was like, you know, like office making that thing where it casts like a 20 foot radius. 63 00:07:05,940 --> 00:07:13,100 Yeah. It's a light, right. And so we are carrying that around us. We had it hanging in our truck 64 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:18,420 and Jason was like, is that going to attract the bug? You know, that attracts the bugs. 65 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:28,820 So we had it in the camper. So we got in that night. We had like every, every species. Oh, 66 00:07:28,820 --> 00:07:38,060 flying insect. So bad. So bad. We had like a moth that was like, I was like, where did 67 00:07:38,060 --> 00:07:43,620 that? Yeah. I mean, it was just, we just grabbed our hands and we're just smearing bugs. Oh, 68 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:50,980 yeah. That's nasty. It was like, it was literally like we stepped into the camper. It was like, 69 00:07:50,980 --> 00:07:56,140 yeah, they were just like, oh, yeah. Terrible. Terrible. Yeah. See, that's a, that's a live 70 00:07:56,140 --> 00:08:00,860 and learn lesson. Oh yeah. That's a live and learn for sure. So now that we'll do that, 71 00:08:00,860 --> 00:08:06,220 but we'll put it like away from where we want to sit to try and like, yeah, draw them away. 72 00:08:06,220 --> 00:08:13,180 Yeah. Yeah. We, we do have one of those thermo cells. Those actually work pretty well. I 73 00:08:13,180 --> 00:08:17,180 just, I don't like the smell like in the camper. So what we actually did, I haven't installed 74 00:08:17,180 --> 00:08:23,580 it yet, but a friend of ours, Sean, he makes these sweet lights. And they're mostly for 75 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:29,580 like alley cabs. Just it fits perfectly, but he fabricates them. And it's just like a big 76 00:08:29,580 --> 00:08:35,860 light, that's Bluetooth. And it, it's great because it'll cast like kind of a light all 77 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:42,880 around the camper, but it does attract all the bugs to be six feet above the camper. 78 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,220 So I'm super looking forward to that because it's, it'll be cool. I haven't installed it 79 00:08:47,220 --> 00:08:52,180 yet because I'm a little worried to be a little too tall to get in the garage. Once I put 80 00:08:52,180 --> 00:08:58,660 it on top of the camper. What a nice segue into what is your next upgrade. I'm installing 81 00:08:58,660 --> 00:09:03,900 a camper light and a winch. I don't have a winch on my truck. Really? Oh yeah. Yeah. 82 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:09,860 I was anti-winch for a long time. Mainly because, well, I'm with a bunch of people that have 83 00:09:09,860 --> 00:09:22,740 them and I'm very, not a winch. That's a funny common nickname for my wife too, but she beats 84 00:09:22,740 --> 00:09:28,860 me up. Yeah. Mine, mine is like with the alley cab and stuff, it's, we're pretty heavy and 85 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:36,900 so I'm very weight conscious and the winch is definitely more weight. And so I've been 86 00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:43,460 holding off, holding off, holding off, but I have all the stuff to do it now. So. Yeah. 87 00:09:43,460 --> 00:09:49,980 I think, I think for me, I have actually funny, funny enough, we said that I have winches 88 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:56,980 my next one too. Yeah. Got stuck, trying to pull someone out, Muskegon area on the way 89 00:09:56,980 --> 00:10:00,380 to pull someone out. And I was like, yeah, you know what? I could have got out of here 90 00:10:00,380 --> 00:10:06,120 if I had a winch. I really could have. And I been searching around anyway and found one 91 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:13,100 over there by Chicago. Originally brand new for those winch mounts. It's, you know, it's 92 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:21,500 pretty expensive, you know, $800. So he was selling up for 150. I, I threw a message to 93 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:26,320 him, just asked him, Hey, you, would you be willing to take a hundred? And he goes, sure. 94 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:33,540 So we ran down there, picked that up Sunday and did that, that little drive, took the 95 00:10:33,540 --> 00:10:39,380 freeway the whole time. And now, now I just got to buy the winch and I'm set. I feel like 96 00:10:39,380 --> 00:10:44,300 the odd man out with a winch not being my next upgrade. I've already got one of those. 97 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:51,940 Yeah. Yeah. What's your next update? And what close to the rattlesnake. So, yeah. So, so 98 00:10:51,940 --> 00:10:58,640 my next upgrade, I've got a set of rear icon shocks to put on and I'm going to relocate 99 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:05,500 my shock mount from inside the frame to outside the frame. Okay. That, that is one upgrade 100 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:12,060 I did. I had a buddy do that for me. We relocate. Oh, there you go. Yeah. I, we did that. Oh, 101 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:20,580 and old man, emu, uh, Springs for it. Yep. Yep. Cool. I, uh, Oh, I will add, uh, my last 102 00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:28,620 nature encounter, um, was botches, our little botches yearly trip. And, uh, it's more of 103 00:11:28,620 --> 00:11:34,800 a funny thing. If anything, we, we had our tents set up, uh, in a weird, in a, what would 104 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:42,240 you call that? Uh, Glenn, uh, a clearing, a, you know, orchard. I don't even know what 105 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:48,300 I'd call it. It was the trail V off right there. So we just kind of set up camp right 106 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:55,780 in the V big real tall grassland. And, uh, there wasn't a lot of optimal tent spots. 107 00:11:55,780 --> 00:12:00,180 And so we just kind of picked the best one and I'm sitting there in the middle of the 108 00:12:00,180 --> 00:12:05,220 night and, uh, I kind of have my hand fall off the side on the floor of the tent. And 109 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:10,140 then I feel something under my hand moving around and I'm like, Oh my God, you know, 110 00:12:10,140 --> 00:12:14,740 I got really scared. I'm like looking around on the floor. What was that? There's nothing 111 00:12:14,740 --> 00:12:19,300 on the floor of my tent. And I'm like, okay, you know, this is really weird. So I kind 112 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:24,220 of let it go. And then, you know, I think it was the next day we're kind of cleaning 113 00:12:24,220 --> 00:12:29,680 up the floor of the tent because the kids messy and, uh, we start hearing the squeaking, 114 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:35,820 the kids standing on something. So you're hearing the squeaking and he steps off and 115 00:12:35,820 --> 00:12:42,420 there's a, a little mound where he was standing. It was like a little weasel that we, we put 116 00:12:42,420 --> 00:12:47,220 our tent right on like a bunch of like little weasel holes or something. And they were popping 117 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:51,900 up and running underneath the bottom tarp of the tent. It was like a little whack-a-mole 118 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:52,900 situation. 119 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:58,420 That doesn't seem as gross or scary as, I don't know, something. Yeah. Oh yeah. It could 120 00:12:58,420 --> 00:13:02,940 have been, it could have been anything else. And in, uh, you know, a couple of months earlier, 121 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:07,260 it was kind of a weird situation to her. It was raining a lot and we went to go, I went 122 00:13:07,260 --> 00:13:11,380 to go close the zipper all the way. And I went, you know, in the middle of the night, 123 00:13:11,380 --> 00:13:15,060 you go to grab the zipper. And all I felt was something went slimy. I'm like, Oh, what 124 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:18,940 was that? I turn around and there's a tree frog sitting on my zipper. 125 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:22,980 I thought this was an after dark card. 126 00:13:22,980 --> 00:13:29,460 Yeah. No, thankfully not. No, there's nothing weird waiting for me, but yeah, just weird 127 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:34,140 little nature things that have happened that, you know, the past couple very similarly close 128 00:13:34,140 --> 00:13:35,140 to each other. 129 00:13:35,140 --> 00:13:39,140 Yeah. I was about to say mine would be the botches trip too. Cause those, those invaded, 130 00:13:39,140 --> 00:13:42,780 I think all of our tents underneath, they were just running around every night. I'm 131 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:48,260 like, what underneath? It was weird. My dogs were doing this, uh, this really funny jump 132 00:13:48,260 --> 00:13:53,540 thing. They'd be in the tent and they just jump and dive on top of whatever was moving. 133 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:58,580 Yeah. Yeah. They all had us down. Well, what about you, Mark? What's your, uh, what's your 134 00:13:58,580 --> 00:13:59,940 next step grade? 135 00:13:59,940 --> 00:14:11,340 Uh, well is now upper control arms and, uh, reinforcing my, um, knuckle now. Is that really 136 00:14:11,340 --> 00:14:17,220 an upgrade or a repair? It's kind of both is better. The upper control arms definitely 137 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:24,020 better than what's on there currently, but beyond that it would be a bumper and winch 138 00:14:24,020 --> 00:14:25,020 eventually. 139 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:31,580 Yeah. Yeah. Mark had a little oopsie there. Had some, had some things happen, but it's 140 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:32,580 all right. 141 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:37,180 I kind of sent a tractor tire flying and bit my alignment way out of whack. 142 00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:41,940 Oh, are you going to buy a bumper? Are you going to get one fabricated? 143 00:14:41,940 --> 00:14:46,060 I'm going to buy one. I'm looking at a C4 rock runner. 144 00:14:46,060 --> 00:14:49,300 Okay. I have not heard of those guys. 145 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:55,300 C4 is quite a proper brand actually. We got quite a few stuff out there. Yeah. Yeah. Have 146 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:58,900 you checked out Victory? They're in company Victory for back there. 147 00:14:58,900 --> 00:15:05,700 Oh yeah. Yeah. We've got quite a few people that went through them. They're not too happy 148 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:11,100 about customer service for them. So we're, I'm going to not 100% with it. 149 00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:12,100 Bummer. 150 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:18,220 Yeah. We all, uh, we do all try to stay away from all Amazon bumpers though. So anything 151 00:15:18,220 --> 00:15:21,420 Amazon we try to keep people away from. 152 00:15:21,420 --> 00:15:25,100 We did accidentally, didn't you buy a Max? Should we realize that you got like fake, 153 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:26,100 fake Max tracks? 154 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:32,380 I did. Yeah. I bought years ago and like they came in the Max tracks box. They came with 155 00:15:32,380 --> 00:15:38,500 everything and just look different than the website, but I was like, whatever. And use 156 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:43,660 them for years and then bought a mount to mount them to the camper and they weren't 157 00:15:43,660 --> 00:15:48,540 fitting. And I was like, I wonder if these aren't real Max track. This is now starting 158 00:15:48,540 --> 00:15:54,540 to make sense to me. And it turns off. They were not. And I contacted Amazon and after 159 00:15:54,540 --> 00:15:59,940 years they actually gave me my money back because someone clearly in a warehouse was 160 00:15:59,940 --> 00:16:04,860 swapping them for them. And like originally like there's nothing we could do. There's 161 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:08,360 like no proof of this. And I was like, I've talked to Max tracks. They're like, these 162 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:14,780 are not legit. Like, and so they actually gave me my money back. I'm talking, it had 163 00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:20,660 been years, years. Wow. Wow. I mean, cause I used them one time and they also like, they 164 00:16:20,660 --> 00:16:26,460 flattened, like it was like nothing made sense. And then it wasn't until I actually tried 165 00:16:26,460 --> 00:16:31,340 to mount them on a Max tracks mount and they didn't. I was like, yeah, like things didn't 166 00:16:31,340 --> 00:16:35,300 line up. And I was like, this is. 167 00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:49,020 Great. Is it our turn? Yes. Oh, what is your favorite road trip music? 168 00:16:49,020 --> 00:17:01,020 So I'll say generally, um, we'll turn on either folk type stuff or like seventies rock led 169 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:08,140 zeppelin type thing. Like to me, that's my camp vibes. However, I'll start with that 170 00:17:08,140 --> 00:17:13,740 because I'm thinking like I'm at camp, but then like a few hours into the drive, I usually 171 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:19,220 got to flip it. And as I get closer to camp, I feel like my music amps up. I'm a, I'm a 172 00:17:19,220 --> 00:17:30,060 heavy metal kind of guy. So you want to say hi? 173 00:17:30,060 --> 00:17:34,340 The kid has shown up. Yeah. You must be on board with YouTube. 174 00:17:34,340 --> 00:17:40,420 He's the one that when you order a pack of cards, he signs your name and his name is 175 00:17:40,420 --> 00:17:51,340 practicing. Yep. Is that right? Okay. Hey, don't play mad. So, so yeah, I'm kind of a 176 00:17:51,340 --> 00:17:57,980 metal head. So when I do a lot of driving, so usually the drive turns to metal as I start 177 00:17:57,980 --> 00:18:03,300 like going crazy and I need to get like amped up, but like at camp full, like we love like 178 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:11,020 good night, Texas type stuff. There's one of our trips to MSO we had because you don't 179 00:18:11,020 --> 00:18:17,500 always get like a reception or satellite. We, I think you downloaded the good night, Texas. 180 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:23,180 So it was like, we just listened to that album on repeat and it was fun because you're driving 181 00:18:23,180 --> 00:18:28,340 through like the mountains of West Virginia. So it was very like appropriate when they're 182 00:18:28,340 --> 00:18:34,140 talking about like hollers and working in a full line. And so like now when I hear those 183 00:18:34,140 --> 00:18:40,180 songs, I think of like that trip, you know, and like how like music brings back memories. 184 00:18:40,180 --> 00:18:46,540 Like it's, I'm glad that that particular trip we listened to like that album like nonstop. 185 00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:50,980 And then I would say as far as music, he does the majority of the driving. So by default 186 00:18:50,980 --> 00:18:57,180 we get to listen to his music. This is fine. I mean, he does a pretty good job of trying 187 00:18:57,180 --> 00:19:04,900 to be mindful of me being in the car. But yeah, I'd say that sometimes every now and 188 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:08,460 then during COVID we realized we both really love 80s music. 189 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:09,940 80s like pop. 190 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:10,940 Yeah. 191 00:19:10,940 --> 00:19:17,060 Oh yeah. Yeah. We were on our trips. My wife is more the countryside. I like more of the 192 00:19:17,060 --> 00:19:24,660 heavy metal rock. And so, so when we start our road trips, it starts out country. Let 193 00:19:24,660 --> 00:19:29,340 me get through my album or my playlist a few times and then I'll switch it to you like 194 00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:35,820 heavy metal. You know, she starts reading her book. I'll put on my audio book. Yeah. 195 00:19:35,820 --> 00:19:45,800 And then if we do a kids camp, it's windows down Fergie, my humps going on at full volume 196 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,780 and we're singing it on the way in. But yeah, I mean, music is really important. It helps. 197 00:19:50,780 --> 00:19:55,140 It really helps put that, puts the drive into a different mood. 198 00:19:55,140 --> 00:20:01,020 Well here's a, here's a fun possible future card then. How do you enjoy your music? Do 199 00:20:01,020 --> 00:20:06,620 you use your phone? Do you have an MP3 player? Do you have a CD player? 200 00:20:06,620 --> 00:20:10,860 I don't think barely any of us do that anymore. Alex, I think you're the only old fashioned 201 00:20:10,860 --> 00:20:11,860 guy we got around. 202 00:20:11,860 --> 00:20:12,860 Mark, you're too. 203 00:20:12,860 --> 00:20:13,860 I'm rocking one too. 204 00:20:13,860 --> 00:20:22,420 Binder that while you're driving you like, so I got one of those actually in mind. 205 00:20:22,420 --> 00:20:32,540 He does. I've got 15 CDs on my son, Pfizer. I've got my Microsoft tune that I still use. 206 00:20:32,540 --> 00:20:35,660 Oh my gosh. That's awesome. 207 00:20:35,660 --> 00:20:41,820 But I actually, I drove my dad down to Florida this year and somewhere in Georgia, like the 208 00:20:41,820 --> 00:20:47,220 car place stopped working. So I didn't have, I didn't have the GPS. Like we were on this 209 00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:52,980 road for like 300 miles. So I didn't really need the directions, but I couldn't listen 210 00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:57,660 to music. And then we had to go back to like the radio and there, like not even if it's, 211 00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:04,140 we didn't even have a CD player. We didn't even have CDs with us, but it was the worst 212 00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:09,620 and getting like the crackle of the radio. And then it's just commercial after commercial. 213 00:21:09,620 --> 00:21:18,100 Yeah. It was, I got it like probably six months ago, I got fed up with paying for music streaming. 214 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:23,000 So I just started using CDs. And then I was like, you know, I could get my zoom back out 215 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:29,020 and then just load it up with everything I want. And now I use it probably 10, 15 hours 216 00:21:29,020 --> 00:21:33,260 a day at work. I use it in the car all the, all the time. 217 00:21:33,260 --> 00:21:38,580 That's awesome. Yeah. That works. Yeah. Yeah. We, I will say I'll add to this real quick 218 00:21:38,580 --> 00:21:46,580 before we do another question is, um, miss Rachel, uh, has been a very common repeat, 219 00:21:46,580 --> 00:21:54,060 uh, her songs, uh, off of YouTube and just constant. My son loves miss Rachel. He loves 220 00:21:54,060 --> 00:22:00,460 all those, uh, those ABC learning songs. So to soothe the beast, we'll put that on there 221 00:22:00,460 --> 00:22:08,100 towards that four to five hour mark. Yeah. I would definitely lose my mind. Yeah. That's 222 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:12,180 when it happens. Like we've, we've done things where it's like, we've got some audio books 223 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:17,740 he'll like, or things like that, or PBS is actually starting to do podcasts of their 224 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:22,160 really some of their shows. So it's really just listen to the show, but it's on podcasts. 225 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:27,580 So that's when you just kind of turn the speakers all the way to the back and just hit play. 226 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:32,460 And so like that way he's not on headphones because he does watch movies and he has a 227 00:22:32,460 --> 00:22:36,100 game and council or whatever. But like sometimes you're like, dude, you're just like, look 228 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:40,620 out the window and not get car sick. And we'll try to just look out the window and listen 229 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:44,780 to. And at that point, then we just played in the back and we'll just sit in silence 230 00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:50,700 for a bit. So, oh yeah. Yeah. We don't want, we don't want ours to be, uh, very dependent 231 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:56,020 on screens. We want them to be able to enjoy what's happening while we're out. So we're 232 00:22:56,020 --> 00:23:00,660 trying to do that the same way, but there are certain times where everybody needs a 233 00:23:00,660 --> 00:23:01,660 break. And uh, 234 00:23:01,660 --> 00:23:07,860 I think you'll not like notice as your child gets older, like Jacob will get to a point 235 00:23:07,860 --> 00:23:12,860 where he'll turn it off on his own and like, he just hired of it or like, we'll be like, 236 00:23:12,860 --> 00:23:16,820 Hey, you can watch it while you're on the expressway. But once we got off the expressway, 237 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:22,300 you got to turn it off and look out the window just to like put some kind of limits on it. 238 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:29,220 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, but yeah, it's like also like you guys do, we got to do. Yeah. 239 00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:35,660 On the pavement, whatever dude, watch a couple of movies. Yep. There's a, there's a porn 240 00:23:35,660 --> 00:23:47,940 star name pavement pounder. Perfect. Man. That's a good one. Yeah. Well, you hit mall 241 00:23:47,940 --> 00:23:54,860 crawler. Is that what you said? Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot like a lot lizard, but it's for 242 00:23:54,860 --> 00:24:03,380 the park. I think it's, uh, I think it's your guys's draw now. Oh, do a, well, we got time 243 00:24:03,380 --> 00:24:09,740 for one more Alex. Yeah. We got time for one more. All right. Um, let's see here. Let's 244 00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:15,380 do, uh, yeah, something different. And we don't play this card a lot. So that's why 245 00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:23,900 I try. What do you always bring extra of on a trip? I know your answer. His answer is 246 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:32,780 underwear because he doesn't change it. Yeah. That's true. Tools. Is that, is that group? 247 00:24:32,780 --> 00:24:39,300 Oh yeah. Tools. Yeah. Is that, is that wait, we bring stuff that doesn't even make sense. 248 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:47,420 Like an electric buffer. I forgot about that. It's a good back massager. It is a very good 249 00:24:47,420 --> 00:24:56,620 back massage. Uh, gosh, I'd probably say, uh, food and toilet paper. I'd be like, or 250 00:24:56,620 --> 00:25:01,420 yeah, food and toilet paper pretty much. You do not want to run out of either. Yeah. We 251 00:25:01,420 --> 00:25:07,300 bring too many snacks. We realize that you get tired of your snacks. And so like we went 252 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:11,820 on that two week road trip with Jacob, we just, by the end of it, every time we stopped 253 00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:16,900 at the gas station, we were just getting a bag of chips or something. Yeah. Which, which 254 00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:23,900 backfired on us because then like later on in the summer, his parents watched Jacob for 255 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:27,340 us and they stopped somewhere to get gas and they're walking in. He's like, well, can I 256 00:25:27,340 --> 00:25:30,660 get a snack? And we're like, every time they stopped at the gas station, he's like, I want 257 00:25:30,660 --> 00:25:34,620 a snack. And they're like, what, why are you? And we're like, yeah, we, we kind of conditioned 258 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:41,300 them to that. I feel like anytime you travel with kids, you like, you're just trying to 259 00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:46,740 think of every contingency and like on that trip too, it's like, I feel like we went, 260 00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:50,660 as lean as we could between the two of us so that we could bring like 90 pounds worth 261 00:25:50,660 --> 00:25:57,260 of toys. Yup. We made a ton of concessions so that he could have all of the stuff. So 262 00:25:57,260 --> 00:26:04,820 that way just again, to hopefully make the trip go that much better. But, yep. Oh yeah. 263 00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:13,740 Get that a hundred percent. And get the bumbo seat and you know, all that. Yeah. 264 00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:21,860 Yeah. We also get too much beer. We don't go through the beer as much as we should, 265 00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:30,220 but that's because like I buy two six packs, you buy a 12 pack, Alan buys a six pack and 266 00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:34,980 they're all different beers. So we have a good variety. Yeah. When you're drinking M 267 00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:41,140 43, you're going to get full fast. That's, that's, yeah. I, we didn't even talk about 268 00:26:41,140 --> 00:26:47,260 that. What beer were you enjoying today? Oh yeah. Okay. So this is a pernicious from wicked 269 00:26:47,260 --> 00:26:54,460 weed. So it's, it's out of North Carolina. You can't get it up in Michigan. And so when 270 00:26:54,460 --> 00:26:58,340 her, you can get it in Florida though. So whenever we go to Florida to see family, we 271 00:26:58,340 --> 00:27:03,500 get it there. So her dad was coming back from Florida and he's like, he texted me, he's 272 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:07,380 like, you ran right to the store when you came down to see me, what beer did you get? 273 00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:14,340 I'll bring you some home. I was like, that's I'm pounding down a bunch of those cause it's 274 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:22,300 it's an IPA. So I like, if you like cigar city, highlight or zombie dust or like any 275 00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:28,940 two hearted, it's very, it's very similar. Sounds like are, are definitely my kind of 276 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:34,860 thing. That's my, except lately we've been drinking El Chavo from Blake's hard cider. 277 00:27:34,860 --> 00:27:40,780 Okay. Oh my God, this is so good. Is that like a Mexican lager kind of thing? Is it 278 00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:48,100 a no. So it's a cider, it's mango habanero. Ooh, I do like me saying habanero. Usually 279 00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:52,820 anything spicy. I'm like, man, that doesn't belong in a beer, but for some reason this 280 00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:58,780 beer is so good. Yeah. How did you find out about that again? Oh, someone left this variety 281 00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:04,260 pack in my fridge and it was the very last one that was left and I wanted a beer. So 282 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:08,300 I was like, you know what, I'll try it. And then suddenly the three that were there were 283 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:14,420 gone and I was buying another six pack. Yeah. My, my wife and I, uh, we don't drink a whole 284 00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:20,100 lot and, uh, we bought that little variety pack and we liked all the berry flavors, the 285 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:23,900 cider berry flavors. We're like, yeah, that's good. I tried that mango habanero one and 286 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:33,380 I was like, yeah, this is not for me. And, uh, and so, yeah, I, I, I donated. Beer lever. 287 00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:40,260 Yeah. Yup. I donated it to Alex's, uh, stash and, and then he ended up loving it. And then 288 00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:43,940 everybody else, like, like Mark liked it. Alan liked it. I'm like, what the heck? I'm 289 00:28:43,940 --> 00:28:51,940 like, man, my taste buds are messed up. It's like, it's a little, it's kind of mango heavy 290 00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:58,300 at first and then you get just that kind of spicy flavor at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Good. 291 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:03,740 I mean, if I dive down to Indiana to pick up habanero, that was the closest location 292 00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:10,260 to me. Like, yeah, just get M 43. Yeah. We, uh, I mean, we probably go through a six pack 293 00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:17,300 or two in a couple of days. I mean, we, we go through these like their water. Yep. It's, 294 00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:23,580 it's kind of a problem. It's so bad. Before that, uh, we've been drinking a lot of locals 295 00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:32,380 light from a shorts brewing company. And then they also have, um, their summer IP or no 296 00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:38,140 spring IPA spring hazy. I think it was a spring one that was really good. Yeah. The spring 297 00:29:38,140 --> 00:29:43,060 hazy. I hope they bring it back. Cause it is the best beer they have. Yeah. I just don't 298 00:29:43,060 --> 00:29:48,100 have a beer taste, man. I like, when I tried it, I was like, I had a little bit of fruit 299 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:53,380 and then it was like hatch chili almost like, I was like, ah, don't like this at all. And 300 00:29:53,380 --> 00:30:00,540 then, uh, so yeah, I'm very much a cider guy. So the sweeter stuff is, and I don't, like 301 00:30:00,540 --> 00:30:05,580 I said, I don't drink a lot anyway. So half the time I'll buy a 12 pack. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. 302 00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:10,580 We're going to drink, drink and have a good time and relax honey. And she's like, yeah, 303 00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:16,100 yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna do it. And then, uh, we, uh, maybe open one and drink 304 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:24,060 it halfway. And we're like, yeah, yeah, we're tired. Just go to bed. So it never ends up 305 00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:28,780 working out like that. And then we donate it to someone or, you know, just leave it 306 00:30:28,780 --> 00:30:39,780 at someone's porch. My fridge. Yeah. That's how it works, man. Yeah. Well, I, uh, I appreciate 307 00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:44,700 you guys, uh, coming in here, uh, and doing both episodes for us. We're really sticking 308 00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:49,340 it out. Yeah. It was, uh, it was a lot of fun talking to you guys, getting to know you, 309 00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:52,860 uh, you know, before this, I didn't actually know you guys were from Michigan. So that 310 00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:59,260 was actually kind of a funny surprise. Uh, but yeah, it was really cool meeting you. 311 00:30:59,260 --> 00:31:05,140 Uh, we were going to have to meet up and, uh, and do some, uh, do some camping, maybe 312 00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:11,260 do some family camps or something too. Yeah. Cool. Well, yeah, thanks so much for having 313 00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:18,580 us. We appreciate you reaching out and, uh, yeah, happy episodes. Yeah. Yeah. All right. 314 00:31:18,580 --> 00:31:40,780 Well, thank you. Later.