1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,820 pronounced. 2 00:00:11,820 --> 00:00:31,940 Welcome to Botches Off-Road. 3 00:00:31,940 --> 00:00:35,860 During this we talk about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, take Cambie 4 00:00:35,860 --> 00:00:38,660 to rock landing, and all things to do with outcomes. 5 00:00:38,660 --> 00:00:43,060 Today we're doing Radio Chatter, another episode of the Lab. 6 00:00:43,060 --> 00:00:44,060 Yep. 7 00:00:44,060 --> 00:00:48,860 And I do have cards ready and this time we're not going to have to redo the intro, so we're 8 00:00:48,860 --> 00:00:51,900 good to go. 9 00:00:51,900 --> 00:00:56,180 I'm sure the viewers would appreciate to know that this is take two. 10 00:00:56,180 --> 00:00:59,380 Yes it is. 11 00:00:59,380 --> 00:01:03,740 Alright, pick a card, any card, one through four. 12 00:01:03,740 --> 00:01:07,420 Three. 13 00:01:07,420 --> 00:01:17,500 What is your go-to camping area? 14 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:22,060 I would say Cadillac, Fife Lake area. 15 00:01:22,060 --> 00:01:29,980 I would have to agree, just because, I mean I'd say Cadillac all the way to Baldwin. 16 00:01:29,980 --> 00:01:33,660 Just the Manistee in general. 17 00:01:33,660 --> 00:01:39,100 There's massive amounts of trails around there and a lot of them follow along the Manistee 18 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:42,220 up there, so there are plenty of trails. 19 00:01:42,220 --> 00:01:46,580 There are, I mean, numerous gorgeous campsites there. 20 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:56,300 We did a trail ride with a buddy Mitch that lives in Travers in the fall and yeah, as 21 00:01:56,300 --> 00:02:00,680 we were doing it and he was kind of leading us around, I thought I had a really cool site 22 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:06,220 for the cryptid site, which was probably only 10 minutes away from that and as he's taking 23 00:02:06,220 --> 00:02:11,660 us through all these trails, we start pulling up to little cliffs along the Manistee River 24 00:02:11,660 --> 00:02:15,100 and I'm like, wow, there's another one, oh there's another one, oh there's another one. 25 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:24,500 So like I gained probably 10 new saved campsites that were technically waterfront on Onyx and 26 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:25,820 they were all getting mad at me. 27 00:02:25,820 --> 00:02:30,820 I was taking pictures and saying what I liked about the campsite before we kept going. 28 00:02:30,820 --> 00:02:39,660 I mean, it's just, there are tons of trails and we actually went up there, was it the 29 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:45,700 weekend before last and we did some trails over there on the way back from Great Wolf 30 00:02:45,700 --> 00:02:46,700 Lodge. 31 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:52,380 We had a little fun doing that and we went back to our old cryptid site and we took a 32 00:02:52,380 --> 00:02:59,420 couple of trails around there and just explored a little bit and then came back and had some 33 00:02:59,420 --> 00:03:07,380 fun but it's definitely the best spot I think in lower half of Michigan trail wise and spots. 34 00:03:07,380 --> 00:03:16,340 Well I would say trail wise, I'd say Everett is way better, but camping wise, I agree that 35 00:03:16,340 --> 00:03:18,580 Cadillac area is the place to be. 36 00:03:18,580 --> 00:03:23,340 Everett is, I guess if I was to say, yeah like more technical trails and stuff like 37 00:03:23,340 --> 00:03:28,060 that, a little harder, Everett is a lot better because I mean the Cadillac area is a lot 38 00:03:28,060 --> 00:03:29,700 of just forest roads and stuff. 39 00:03:29,700 --> 00:03:33,700 It's not challenging, it's just a lot of them. 40 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:37,740 So it's a lot to explore. 41 00:03:37,740 --> 00:03:41,900 I agree, I think the Main-of-the-Area is so close for us, we can easily go there on a 42 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:44,940 weekend if we wanted to out of random. 43 00:03:44,940 --> 00:03:47,900 Don't have to go to the UP or anything. 44 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:52,340 Which is probably why I'd say it's my go-to area just because it's close. 45 00:03:52,340 --> 00:03:58,380 So you know with my job I don't really get the luxury of knowing ahead of time if I'm 46 00:03:58,380 --> 00:04:00,380 going to be able to camp or not. 47 00:04:00,380 --> 00:04:05,340 So it's easy to be like, hey I'm not working Saturday or Sunday so let's go camp. 48 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:09,300 Yeah, it's only an hour away so it's perfect. 49 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:14,220 Alright, one through three, someone pick a card. 50 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:15,580 Two. 51 00:04:15,580 --> 00:04:21,620 I meant one through four but one through three is one. 52 00:04:21,620 --> 00:04:24,620 What is your most embarrassing adventure story? 53 00:04:24,620 --> 00:04:27,460 Oh I got this one on deck. 54 00:04:27,460 --> 00:04:28,460 Alright. 55 00:04:28,460 --> 00:04:32,180 You want to go first, Kevin? 56 00:04:32,180 --> 00:04:36,680 Yeah, well mine's kind of a winter because it was the first camping I ever did. 57 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,940 You guys know the escape story. 58 00:04:39,940 --> 00:04:43,900 So mine's a little bit of a winter too. 59 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:51,500 We went in March with our buddy Joe Yamber to go do some exploring for the, was it March? 60 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:52,860 Yeah, it was March. 61 00:04:52,860 --> 00:04:57,380 For the MST Drum and Island trip. 62 00:04:57,380 --> 00:04:58,380 And it was May. 63 00:04:58,380 --> 00:05:01,100 Oh May, I'm sorry it was May. 64 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:02,580 And it was super wet. 65 00:05:02,580 --> 00:05:05,740 Like everything was just wet. 66 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:09,420 And I don't know what I was thinking. 67 00:05:09,420 --> 00:05:12,620 I just kind of was in the zone of I want to keep going forward. 68 00:05:12,620 --> 00:05:15,260 I don't want to have to turn around. 69 00:05:15,260 --> 00:05:20,140 And Joe was like, hey, the trail ahead, I don't think my Sequoia can go through it. 70 00:05:20,140 --> 00:05:23,060 And I was like, ah, I'm going to try it. 71 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:24,900 So I went around him. 72 00:05:24,900 --> 00:05:28,540 Mind you, we're in like two to three foot of water at this point. 73 00:05:28,540 --> 00:05:29,540 Oh yeah. 74 00:05:29,540 --> 00:05:36,260 So, so I went around him in this two to three foot of water and I made it about a hundred 75 00:05:36,260 --> 00:05:38,220 yards or so. 76 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:44,420 And then suddenly my front driver's side just dipped down and my entire engine bay was underwater 77 00:05:44,420 --> 00:05:47,540 and my cab was filling with water. 78 00:05:47,540 --> 00:05:53,180 So I had to get winched out of that hole and I had to go swimming, actual swimming, because 79 00:05:53,180 --> 00:05:56,580 it was too deep to stand up. 80 00:05:56,580 --> 00:05:57,900 And yeah. 81 00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:00,220 And then, so we get it all pulled out. 82 00:06:00,220 --> 00:06:06,380 We get up to somewhere dry-ish and my truck just starts going, weee! 83 00:06:06,380 --> 00:06:12,100 Just really high pitched squeal because I shorted out my aftermarket alarm system. 84 00:06:12,100 --> 00:06:17,500 So it just started squealing like super loud. 85 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:21,500 We spent like 30 minutes trying to figure out where the sound was coming from in your 86 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:24,020 engine bay just to cut it out. 87 00:06:24,020 --> 00:06:25,020 Yeah. 88 00:06:25,020 --> 00:06:26,020 Oh gosh. 89 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:30,340 That's, that's pretty rough, man. 90 00:06:30,340 --> 00:06:34,100 Yeah that, yeah, that's my most embarrassing trail story. 91 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:35,100 Yeah. 92 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:39,580 So it would be, you know, when Sienna and I first met, we were still kind of feeling 93 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:47,260 each other out relationship wise, long, long, see if it would hand a long period of time. 94 00:06:47,260 --> 00:06:52,100 And one of my have to's is she has to want to camp. 95 00:06:52,100 --> 00:07:00,060 She has to like the outdoors and prior she had never gone camping before. 96 00:07:00,060 --> 00:07:03,500 Her version of camping was in a cabin with power. 97 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:06,100 I was going to say she went to band camp. 98 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:08,260 That's kind of camping. 99 00:07:08,260 --> 00:07:10,300 That would probably be the closest. 100 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:12,820 We would have bonfires and stuff. 101 00:07:12,820 --> 00:07:13,820 Yeah. 102 00:07:13,820 --> 00:07:14,820 And that would probably be the- 103 00:07:14,820 --> 00:07:19,860 And then go to our nice, nice AC cabins with electric and showers. 104 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:20,860 Yep. 105 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:21,860 Yep. 106 00:07:21,860 --> 00:07:22,860 That was what she was used to. 107 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:28,340 So my camping, very different. 108 00:07:28,340 --> 00:07:29,980 And so I got it in my head. 109 00:07:29,980 --> 00:07:32,460 I'm like, you know, we got a little time. 110 00:07:32,460 --> 00:07:35,380 Let's go up on the 5th of July. 111 00:07:35,380 --> 00:07:37,940 Everyone will be going down. 112 00:07:37,940 --> 00:07:40,660 It won't be as busy. 113 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:47,160 And we'll just run it up the one day and get all the way up there and explore and whatever. 114 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:53,260 So that was before I really got into like off-roading and doing anything like that from 115 00:07:53,260 --> 00:07:54,260 a car. 116 00:07:54,260 --> 00:07:56,260 I just wanted to camp. 117 00:07:56,260 --> 00:08:02,140 And so we put in Google Maps to Two Hearted Campground off of Lake Superior and we went 118 00:08:02,140 --> 00:08:06,460 and we listened to every direction that it gave us. 119 00:08:06,460 --> 00:08:14,940 Even though literally right after the bridge, we lost all connection with any Knesset service. 120 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:15,940 So we were going- 121 00:08:15,940 --> 00:08:19,820 Oh, and you didn't have maps saved either, did you? 122 00:08:19,820 --> 00:08:20,820 Nope. 123 00:08:20,820 --> 00:08:25,140 On the way up, we tried multiple times to buy paper maps, but because it was the 5th 124 00:08:25,140 --> 00:08:30,380 of July, everyone just wiped out a maps because everyone else had came up there. 125 00:08:30,380 --> 00:08:31,380 All you have to do. 126 00:08:31,380 --> 00:08:37,020 So if you go to anywhere with Wi-Fi, like a McDonald's or something, you can save all 127 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:38,900 of Michigan on Google Maps. 128 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:41,820 Yeah, I didn't know that at the time. 129 00:08:41,820 --> 00:08:43,540 Oh, okay. 130 00:08:43,540 --> 00:08:46,260 So I mean, straight up like tourist. 131 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:52,020 I mean, didn't know that you could save maps, only use Google Maps to get one place to another. 132 00:08:52,020 --> 00:08:57,660 So we get up there, no service, and I'm taking her two-wheel drive escape and it tells us 133 00:08:57,660 --> 00:08:59,220 to turn right. 134 00:08:59,220 --> 00:09:01,660 And it's like a small dirt path. 135 00:09:01,660 --> 00:09:06,740 And I'm like, I mean, it's saying turn right, so we should turn right. 136 00:09:06,740 --> 00:09:08,500 And she's like, are you sure? 137 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:11,660 I'm like, you got to trust Google Maps, man. 138 00:09:11,660 --> 00:09:14,740 I mean, what else choice do we have? 139 00:09:14,740 --> 00:09:19,380 So and I looked at where Too Hard It Was. 140 00:09:19,380 --> 00:09:23,420 I looked at the maps a lot before that and I'm like, it's way out there. 141 00:09:23,420 --> 00:09:28,060 So it makes sense that it's down a dirt road like this little two track. 142 00:09:28,060 --> 00:09:29,860 And she goes, okay. 143 00:09:29,860 --> 00:09:37,420 So we start taking this little two track and before we know it, we're in dune sand, deep 144 00:09:37,420 --> 00:09:39,420 ass dune sand. 145 00:09:39,420 --> 00:09:44,540 And I could feel the car struggling and slowing down and I'm like, oh, fuck, we're gonna get 146 00:09:44,540 --> 00:09:45,540 stuck. 147 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:46,540 I don't. 148 00:09:46,540 --> 00:09:49,860 And at that point, I've like I said, no off-road experience, nothing. 149 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:51,420 I had no recovery gear. 150 00:09:51,420 --> 00:09:54,580 I had nothing, no way to get us out. 151 00:09:54,580 --> 00:09:58,520 And yeah, we were we were kind of kind of scared there. 152 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,300 Had no idea where we were at. 153 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:10,100 And we get about halfway through and we think we see an old airport or something to the 154 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:11,680 right. 155 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:13,660 And I'm like, I have to turn off traction control. 156 00:10:13,660 --> 00:10:14,820 We are not going to make it. 157 00:10:14,820 --> 00:10:17,660 So we get through all the deep sand. 158 00:10:17,660 --> 00:10:23,500 We find a hard spot on the path and we stop and I got to the roof of the Ford Escape with 159 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:30,740 my phone, held it up to the air and got one bar and it was enough to update Google Maps. 160 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:34,300 And Google Maps is like, you took a wrong turn. 161 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:36,580 I'm like, yeah, no shit. 162 00:10:36,580 --> 00:10:41,580 At that point, you know, at that point, we're creeping down a trail and a stock, you know, 163 00:10:41,580 --> 00:10:42,580 you know, escape. 164 00:10:42,580 --> 00:10:43,580 Two wheel drive. 165 00:10:43,580 --> 00:10:48,340 Yeah, it turned out to be an ATV trail or a UTV trail. 166 00:10:48,340 --> 00:10:52,260 And yeah, I find that a hindsight. 167 00:10:52,260 --> 00:10:54,220 But so we're sitting up there. 168 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:55,980 I finally get it updated. 169 00:10:55,980 --> 00:11:03,660 It gets us to a road and we, you know, just power through it and got through that onto 170 00:11:03,660 --> 00:11:05,460 the road. 171 00:11:05,460 --> 00:11:12,780 Finally made it to the campsite at about 2 a.m. and that was massively probably the most 172 00:11:12,780 --> 00:11:13,780 embarrassing. 173 00:11:13,780 --> 00:11:16,820 I mean, I didn't know anything. 174 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:18,900 And that's kind of when I started looking into it. 175 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:22,580 I mean, the rest of our camp trip was very successful because we stayed on those dirt 176 00:11:22,580 --> 00:11:29,900 roads and and then we found a map at a lighthouse, the last map they had left. 177 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:31,940 And we use that. 178 00:11:31,940 --> 00:11:37,820 But you know, off road wise, you know, over landing or whatever. 179 00:11:37,820 --> 00:11:39,240 That was a massive mistake. 180 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:44,180 It was like every don't do on the list we did. 181 00:11:44,180 --> 00:11:49,060 And even after that, I don't know what it was or ball joints or whatever. 182 00:11:49,060 --> 00:11:54,100 Anytime we'd hit a bump, the car would rattle after that because of all the washboard and 183 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:56,700 the fact that I just powered through it. 184 00:11:56,700 --> 00:12:01,500 So yeah, that was, you know, we had a fun time while we were there, but I did not take 185 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:07,840 another road like that at all that whole time because I was scared. 186 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,840 So that was that was a fun. 187 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:09,840 That was a fun one. 188 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:17,700 The video scene just recently on Instagram about making loss on maps and trails. 189 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:21,020 Guys reading off the list of all the vehicles that could be on the trail, he pans over as 190 00:12:21,020 --> 00:12:22,900 a giant box truck. 191 00:12:22,900 --> 00:12:25,540 Oh, my God. 192 00:12:25,540 --> 00:12:26,680 Yeah. 193 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:30,500 So it's not the first time that that's happened to someone, though. 194 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:34,900 I told that story with my MST group and someone laughed and goes, that's funny. 195 00:12:34,900 --> 00:12:38,400 We had the same exact thing happen with another Ford escape. 196 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,400 I'm like, are you kidding? 197 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,400 They're like, no. 198 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:46,180 He said the there was a young kid in there, I think, driving and the two parents were 199 00:12:46,180 --> 00:12:47,660 trying to push it out. 200 00:12:47,660 --> 00:12:50,100 And then the kid was crying. 201 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:54,860 And so as they came up on the trail and they rescued him and got him out of there, and 202 00:12:54,860 --> 00:12:57,020 I'm like, yeah, it's just and it's an escape thing. 203 00:12:57,020 --> 00:13:03,020 They they fucked up with the the wording should have made it a different kind of car. 204 00:13:03,020 --> 00:13:11,020 A track, a Ford trap, the competitor to the the Chevy tracks. 205 00:13:11,020 --> 00:13:13,020 Ford Forest Trail would be great. 206 00:13:13,020 --> 00:13:16,020 Keep it on the forest roads. 207 00:13:16,020 --> 00:13:19,300 But I'm like your turn. 208 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:21,100 Oh, sorry, Gavin. 209 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:22,460 Oh, no, you're good. 210 00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:26,300 I was just gonna say, yeah, that was that was embarrassing for sure. 211 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:31,540 Mostly my embarrassment will be when I went solo that one night and got stuck for like 212 00:13:31,540 --> 00:13:35,220 15 minutes plus got myself out. 213 00:13:35,220 --> 00:13:38,180 Hey, 15 minutes. 214 00:13:38,180 --> 00:13:39,180 That's good. 215 00:13:39,180 --> 00:13:44,420 It was your ego every time you get stuck. 216 00:13:44,420 --> 00:13:46,060 That was what pine, wasn't it? 217 00:13:46,060 --> 00:13:47,860 Yes, that was fine. 218 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:50,020 Pine has claimed many lives, man. 219 00:13:50,020 --> 00:13:57,380 Yes, I when I got cocky the first time when I first bought my FJ and I'm like, yeah, man, 220 00:13:57,380 --> 00:13:58,380 this thing will go anywhere. 221 00:13:58,380 --> 00:13:59,380 It's a fucking tank. 222 00:13:59,380 --> 00:14:00,780 It's got four wheel drive. 223 00:14:00,780 --> 00:14:02,100 I'm like, I'm good. 224 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:04,740 There ain't nothing stopping this thing. 225 00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:08,500 And I went down pine one time. 226 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:13,540 Anyone who doesn't know about Pine Street here in New York County, it's most of our 227 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:14,540 listeners. 228 00:14:14,540 --> 00:14:18,020 Yeah, it's a mud pit, a straight mud pit. 229 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:19,020 And what's the depth? 230 00:14:19,020 --> 00:14:21,380 What do you think it gets at the deepest? 231 00:14:21,380 --> 00:14:23,780 A good five to six feet. 232 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:26,460 Yeah, it I mean, it's deeper. 233 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:28,080 It's about halfway. 234 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,500 It goes up my window at its deepest. 235 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:31,500 Yeah. 236 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:36,100 So I went down and I saw this puddle and I'd gotten through everything else before just 237 00:14:36,100 --> 00:14:39,100 with a little four wheel drive and some skinny pedal. 238 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:41,500 And I was like, cool, you know, I'll get through this too. 239 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:42,500 And no big deal. 240 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:45,980 And I went and you know, this is mind you, this is after work. 241 00:14:45,980 --> 00:14:49,460 I picked my son up and we're like, let's just take a trail. 242 00:14:49,460 --> 00:14:56,080 So so I go through the last hole, which is the biggest one on the trail. 243 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,540 And I just stop. 244 00:14:57,540 --> 00:15:02,580 I mean, I start driving, nothing's that I can hear the water over the muffler. 245 00:15:02,580 --> 00:15:08,060 All I hear is, oh, everybody, everybody knows that sound. 246 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:10,460 I open the door, water starts pouring in. 247 00:15:10,460 --> 00:15:12,700 I closed the door again. 248 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:15,260 So it was over my door at that point. 249 00:15:15,260 --> 00:15:18,260 Now, so important question. 250 00:15:18,260 --> 00:15:22,100 When you hear the blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, do you turn the car off? 251 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:23,100 Absolutely not. 252 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:24,100 No. 253 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:25,860 Thank God you are not dumb. 254 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:27,220 No, no, no, no. 255 00:15:27,220 --> 00:15:29,580 I knew that is good enough. 256 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:34,180 But I hit the my left side hit one of the deeper ruts in there. 257 00:15:34,180 --> 00:15:37,560 My right side was still elevated enough. 258 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,500 So I opened my door on my right side and climbed across my seat. 259 00:15:41,500 --> 00:15:44,340 And this is in like spring. 260 00:15:44,340 --> 00:15:45,700 So there's still snow on the ground. 261 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:50,420 The water is, I mean, pain ice cold. 262 00:15:50,420 --> 00:15:55,580 And I opened the door and it's just water right up to my door ledge. 263 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:57,460 And I'm like, oh, God. 264 00:15:57,460 --> 00:16:03,340 And my I call I'm calling trying to call people and nobody's around, you know, before I knew 265 00:16:03,340 --> 00:16:08,980 about all the off road rescue services and all the great community around that are be 266 00:16:08,980 --> 00:16:11,060 happy to pull you out. 267 00:16:11,060 --> 00:16:12,700 And I'm like your neighbor. 268 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:13,700 Yeah. 269 00:16:13,700 --> 00:16:14,900 Well, I didn't know you at that time. 270 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:16,220 But yeah, that's what I'm saying. 271 00:16:16,220 --> 00:16:18,260 That was before you knew I was your neighbor. 272 00:16:18,260 --> 00:16:19,260 Right. 273 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:23,820 And so I called my buddy Bailey, who's the only one I knew that had a truck. 274 00:16:23,820 --> 00:16:28,700 And he's like, yeah, I mean, I'm kind of busy and my other trip, my ram charger is down 275 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:31,340 the one that usually takes through pine. 276 00:16:31,340 --> 00:16:34,780 And I go, yeah, I'm like, I'm really stuck, man. 277 00:16:34,780 --> 00:16:36,260 Like I really need help. 278 00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:39,700 This is my daily and I didn't think I was getting into this. 279 00:16:39,700 --> 00:16:43,220 He's like, yeah, all right, I'll get the Yukon. 280 00:16:43,220 --> 00:16:49,420 So he grabs his like it's like an old five or four Yukon stock Yukon. 281 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:54,500 And he comes from from the other way, which isn't super long. 282 00:16:54,500 --> 00:16:58,500 It's pretty close to the end of the trail, about three quarters of through. 283 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:01,520 And he backs up and grabs a strap. 284 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:08,300 And also before I knew about any kind of off road safety, we hook it up to my clevis in 285 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:10,820 the front, which I did have, thankfully. 286 00:17:10,820 --> 00:17:14,960 But I had to take all my clothes off to get, you know, in the water. 287 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,140 And I am numb, cold. 288 00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:23,300 I mean, I could barely stand the water so cold, like it hurts my feet so bad. 289 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:26,620 He hooks the strap up to the ball of his truck. 290 00:17:26,620 --> 00:17:29,060 Oh, my God. 291 00:17:29,060 --> 00:17:32,180 And starts pulling, dude. 292 00:17:32,180 --> 00:17:35,580 And it's a strap, so it hits hard. 293 00:17:35,580 --> 00:17:38,380 And I'm not moving at all, dude. 294 00:17:38,380 --> 00:17:42,900 He gives it like five tugs and it's maybe a centimeter every time. 295 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:45,420 And he's like, I'm going to have to really hit it. 296 00:17:45,420 --> 00:17:46,420 I'm like, all right, man. 297 00:17:46,420 --> 00:17:47,420 Yeah, just hit it. 298 00:17:47,420 --> 00:17:49,860 So he starts hitting it once. 299 00:17:49,860 --> 00:17:54,540 The second time, dude, the fucking strap snapped. 300 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:58,340 The strap didn't fail, but it snapped his toe hook. 301 00:17:58,340 --> 00:18:01,020 No, I'm sorry. 302 00:18:01,020 --> 00:18:09,820 You know, he had a hook on his ball, on the side of the ball, and it snapped his and the 303 00:18:09,820 --> 00:18:16,580 fucking strap flew back to me, hit my truck right next to the headlight. 304 00:18:16,580 --> 00:18:21,340 And we're like, oh, that's, yeah, we don't like that. 305 00:18:21,340 --> 00:18:25,060 Yeah, it could have been very, very bad. 306 00:18:25,060 --> 00:18:27,780 So we re hooked it up. 307 00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:31,380 We almost didn't have Gavin for Botch's Off-Road Podcast. 308 00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:32,380 Yeah. 309 00:18:32,380 --> 00:18:37,260 So we re hooked it up and he gave some other big tugs again. 310 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:41,700 And eventually it was like an inch, okay, three inches, okay, five inches. 311 00:18:41,700 --> 00:18:43,900 It finally got me out. 312 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:47,140 And yeah, I swore off mud after that. 313 00:18:47,140 --> 00:18:55,780 So that was, now I guess I'm going into my other embarrassing story, but Pine has claimed 314 00:18:55,780 --> 00:18:58,540 a lot of people in that hole. 315 00:18:58,540 --> 00:18:59,900 Yeah. 316 00:18:59,900 --> 00:19:05,500 When I was in high school, I had a buddy who called me because he was stuck on Pine and 317 00:19:05,500 --> 00:19:10,960 I went out, he was in a one ton super duty power stroke. 318 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:17,300 And I went out there and my dad's little OBS power stroke, extended cab 250. 319 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:23,220 And I took a normal toe strap, a big one, like an eight inch wide one, like the military 320 00:19:23,220 --> 00:19:24,820 toe strap. 321 00:19:24,820 --> 00:19:25,820 And I hooked it. 322 00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:30,940 I just set it on the ball of the truck and then hooked it to his ball because I was pulling 323 00:19:30,940 --> 00:19:32,700 him out backwards. 324 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:38,780 And I just sat there and yanked on him, like backing up and slamming on it for like a good 325 00:19:38,780 --> 00:19:41,260 seven or eight times. 326 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:42,820 And I got him out. 327 00:19:42,820 --> 00:19:44,660 There was the strap didn't fail. 328 00:19:44,660 --> 00:19:51,460 It didn't come off either of the toe balls, but it bent the ball on my dad's truck and 329 00:19:51,460 --> 00:19:54,760 we couldn't remove the hitch receiver or the ball. 330 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,740 So it was stuck as a two inch hitch for the rest of the time he owned it. 331 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:07,980 And let that be a lesson to everybody to study and research, even take classes on proper 332 00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:13,020 recovery techniques, because the instance that happened to me and the instance that 333 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:17,740 could have almost happened to Alex or his buddy is very possible. 334 00:20:17,740 --> 00:20:22,300 It happens all the time where people aren't hooking up to good toe points. 335 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:28,620 They're using equipment that isn't made for the strength that they're pulling. 336 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:37,820 And it's a cheap Amazon bumpers that don't have good hitch points or toe, you know, whatever. 337 00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:45,140 And the strap snap, the points break and it can kill people and it has killed people. 338 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:47,820 So make sure you do your research. 339 00:20:47,820 --> 00:20:48,900 Don't be stupid. 340 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:52,300 Like we were, we got lucky. 341 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:54,180 I was a young dumb. 342 00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:56,740 Well, how's that song go? 343 00:20:56,740 --> 00:20:59,260 Young dumb and free or something like that. 344 00:20:59,260 --> 00:21:00,260 Yep. 345 00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:01,260 I think I was 16. 346 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,580 Like I just got my license. 347 00:21:03,580 --> 00:21:08,220 Recovery is massively important if you do the thing that we do. 348 00:21:08,220 --> 00:21:11,660 And it's very important that you know what you're doing. 349 00:21:11,660 --> 00:21:16,700 Because if you don't, you can hurt somebody and that somebody could have kids. 350 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:21,540 You got to think about that before you go and do stupid things. 351 00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:24,220 So we should move on to our next one or do we not have enough? 352 00:21:24,220 --> 00:21:28,980 All right, guys, we have time for one more card. 353 00:21:28,980 --> 00:21:31,500 So pick a number one through four. 354 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:34,340 It's on you, Mark. 355 00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:36,540 Let's do one. 356 00:21:36,540 --> 00:21:39,500 You just picked an after dark card. 357 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:46,140 Oh, what is your best adventure themed pickup line? 358 00:21:46,140 --> 00:21:49,660 Man, we talked about this one, too. 359 00:21:49,660 --> 00:21:50,660 We did. 360 00:21:50,660 --> 00:21:53,260 We were like, what should we keep it? 361 00:21:53,260 --> 00:21:57,620 Baby, let me see your dirt road. 362 00:21:57,620 --> 00:22:00,340 Oh, yeah. 363 00:22:00,340 --> 00:22:05,700 Yeah, that's a good one. 364 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:11,620 You know, my rigs set up so that I could cook for you under the night sky and then I can 365 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:17,460 bang you under the night sky. 366 00:22:17,460 --> 00:22:18,860 I don't know, man. 367 00:22:18,860 --> 00:22:19,860 It's off the top of my head. 368 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:24,780 I just thought about the fact that we have rooftop tents and okay. 369 00:22:24,780 --> 00:22:28,540 So if you're banging her under the night sky, you'd have to remove the tent and put like 370 00:22:28,540 --> 00:22:32,100 a deck on the roof. 371 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:34,260 I never said I was good at pickup lines. 372 00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:35,980 No, it was good. 373 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:36,980 That was good, man. 374 00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:37,980 That was good. 375 00:22:37,980 --> 00:22:38,980 I like it. 376 00:22:38,980 --> 00:22:40,620 Well, enjoying the rough riders. 377 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:43,620 Yeah. 378 00:22:43,620 --> 00:22:48,780 What makes that one even funnier is that the Jeep club in Sierra Vista is the Cochise County 379 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:51,780 rough riders. 380 00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:54,780 How about I'm going to love you like a snowstorm. 381 00:22:54,780 --> 00:22:59,100 Yeah, I'm going to give you eight to 12 inches and you won't be able to leave your house 382 00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:02,980 for three to four days. 383 00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:08,420 I mean, is that adventure theme or is that just there? 384 00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:10,500 There's an adventure there. 385 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,780 There is an adventure there. 386 00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:17,580 You're going to want your aluminum shovel you got in the back of your car. 387 00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:21,220 Set for me, it'd be more like I'm going to give you two to four inches. 388 00:23:21,220 --> 00:23:23,620 Typical Michigan. 389 00:23:23,620 --> 00:23:27,820 That's Michigan weather right there. 390 00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:32,020 They're going to call for six to 12, but I'm only going to be able to give you two to four. 391 00:23:32,020 --> 00:23:33,420 Yeah, there you go. 392 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:34,420 That's what it is. 393 00:23:34,420 --> 00:23:40,820 I might tell you eight to 12, but you're only getting two to four. 394 00:23:40,820 --> 00:23:43,820 Probably to love you like a weatherman. 395 00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:45,340 All right. 396 00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:48,020 And on that note, we'll have to catch you guys later. 397 00:23:48,020 --> 00:24:01,740 Later.