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I just want to apologize to all the listeners.

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I didn't realize my mic gain was turned up super high before we started this episode.

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So if I'm really loud at the beginning, that's why I do turn it down and somewhere in the

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middle.

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Welcome to botches off road.

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Join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, tent camping to

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rock landing and all things to do with the outdoors.

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I guess happy new year everybody.

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It's 15 days past and we've had quite an exciting new year already.

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We have Alex and his newly fixed truck.

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We did a poker run.

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We use the term fixed very loosely.

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We have Mark here.

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Have you fixed anything on your truck yet?

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I got my tires reseated.

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Tires reseated.

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Perfect.

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So and some nice apex quick releases.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They came and borrowed my air compressor one day and then came back for another part because

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my Anderson connector, how I have it set up through the front of my FJ.

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They didn't really have a connector for that.

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So they had to kind of work around it to.

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Oh no, I totally had a connector for that and plugged it in and then it melted all my

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wires.

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So one, they either need to get their own air compressors, which they're going to work

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on or two, maybe we should all have Anderson connector to battery terminals.

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Either way.

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Or Alex just needs to pay attention.

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What grade of wire he was using.

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Yeah.

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I totally use the wrong grade wire for that one.

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What was it?

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I don't know.

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Just somewhere I found it the in the shed.

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It's like 30 gauge.

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No, it was like, it was like probably eight gauge.

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Really?

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You didn't that melt?

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Oh yeah.

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It melted really bad.

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What was mine for?

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Yeah.

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Yours is four.

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Yours is four.

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And that was enough to melt it.

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Huh?

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That's crazy.

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Yep.

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I've got two running from my old battery location to the new one.

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Hmm.

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Well, you're living there.

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I guess.

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Yeah.

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I really melted the hell out of my Milwaukee box.

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Yeah, that's all right.

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It'll look really cool though.

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It's a story.

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It's that.

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What else we had?

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Alex and I had a fun night here the other night.

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I was taking a piss, just checking my phone and I saw that there was someone stuck.

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They dropped a pin, said they had 1% and that was all we heard of them for a while.

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So I was kind of honestly, I, you know, I always like to tell people like, Hey, if you

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ever stuck, anyone ever needs help, just let me know.

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I want to be that guy that helps.

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But at the same time, it was like 12 45 that night and I was like, I got to work in the

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morning.

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I'm really sleepy.

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So I was kind of looking for any excuse to go that made sense.

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And I sent the group text or that, that picture to Alex and the group text and he was like,

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well, fuck it.

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I'm throwing my pants on him.

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You know, I'm off, I'm going.

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I'm like, well, sweet.

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That means I can go cause so I woke my wife up.

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We got a little bit more information from the guy before radio silence and we headed

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out and had what time did we get back?

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Probably 3 AM.

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We got, we, we got, we got very close to him and right as we got very close to him, he

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texted, say, Hey, I'm out.

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Thanks for the help.

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And I was like, well, all right, well, time to turn around.

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So it's a good 50 minute drive.

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I think, I think I got back at like three.

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Well, that's, I got pretty close to, so we, we filled up in New Aigo and came back, but

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you know, the roads are pretty schlitz.

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See, it was pretty fucked.

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The roads are terrible.

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Why was anyone on a night like that?

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Why would anyone have been on a trail at that late at night?

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Nice and warm in the car.

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Because it was like, well, it was a Tuesday, right?

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Or a Monday.

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Sunday.

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Sunday night.

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So it's a Sunday night.

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So they work the next day.

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It was icy as hell.

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Well, it was 12 o'clock at night.

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So here's my super sleuth, investigative prowess and tell you that when I looked at his Facebook

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profile after I had sent this, I said, well, this guy is not like us.

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He looks like the kind of guy that brings two 30 packs in the passenger seat, tosses

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them out while he's wheeling and does illegal stupid shit out on the trail.

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And you know what?

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I don't think I was all that wrong.

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I found this out in Hindsight after everybody woke up from me posting that and said, hey,

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you know, I got a message from I think Mike who actually wheels around there, does a lot

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of wheeling and stuff in that area.

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He goes, hey, just so you know, that south area over there next to the power lines, that's

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all illegal, all trespassing.

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He was not supposed to be there.

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So it was a good thing you guys did not go and get him because you guys could have got

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in trouble for it.

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And I said, well, I guess it was just meant to be then.

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So yeah, I had no idea that that was trespassing area.

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Well, and I saw that it wasn't government, but you know, there are some areas around

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here that are kind of like that too.

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That's not necessarily the kind of gray area spots.

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You know what I mean?

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Yep.

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So I wasn't really all I kind of saw at that time was there was a guy that needed help

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and he was at 1%.

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He was, he seemed pretty desperate.

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He said he was willing to pay whatever just to get us out there, get someone to help.

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So that's all I really cared about at that moment.

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But yes, in hindsight, he looked like he was a side by side driver.

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If you know what I mean.

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Side by side drivers should not own cars.

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And it looked like a side by side driver that lived in Muskegon Heights.

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I hate to judge.

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Oh, yeah, I hate to judge.

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He just looked like the kind of guy that would leave beer cans on the trail.

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It's one of those put boxes on the branches.

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You know what I mean?

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Of course, you know, now we're going to find out he listens and he's going to reach out

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and be like, yo, what the fuck?

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I'm going to be like, well, you, uh, the proof is in the pudding, buddy.

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If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.

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Sorry, buddy.

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Was he in a Jeep?

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No, he was in a Chevy Silverado.

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Then why are we talking about ducks?

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Oh, that's true.

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I don't know if it looks like a methed out redhead that walks like a methed out redhead.

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But either way, we attempted to do a good deed.

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So we cashed in some good karma and went home and, and it was a fun little drive.

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I was fun drive.

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I mean, I got to, uh, actually physically, I don't know.

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Maybe not physically, but you know, test out the tires in a, in a real scenario, I guess

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would be the better way to put it, you know, on the roads out there.

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And they did very well.

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So I'm done, done talking about the tires as far as that goes, because I haven't really

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had any, uh, you know, real life, um, use out of them to, to really get an idea.

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So we haven't wheeled with them yet.

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I've done like, you know, I've done Prairie Trail or whatever, so it's not really just

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bumpy, you know?

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Nothing, nothing crazy, but it was nice to see the handling on an actual road, which

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is honestly, I hate to say it, but because I daily drive it and my son usually is with

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me, it was more important for me to know and feel how they handle on a road versus off

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road.

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You know what I mean?

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That trip reminded me, I'll reiterate this for everyone, mud terrains are garbage on

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ice.

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Um, you know, I, I had to slow down quite a bit for Alex.

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He was sliding everywhere.

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I mean, everywhere.

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Dude, I could watch your headlights behind me just go, whoop, whoop.

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No one said that mud terrains are good, uh, winter tires.

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They're good in deep snow.

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At least mine are.

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I think that actually solidified for me to not get mud terrains.

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I think, I think that all terrains will be it from now on.

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I really like the look of mud terrains, but after seeing the performance there, no.

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They're only good on trails and in mud and they're fine on dry.

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They're fine on dry summer roads, right?

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But winter time there, honestly, the best bet would be to have a good set of winter

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tires for winter time and a good set of mud terrains for summertime.

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Absolutely.

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If we were all that, uh, fortunate monetarily, that would be nice.

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So, well, that was a good kind of a recap, I guess, of our last 15 days of the new year.

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Um, I think we're actually going to start a little something different than what we

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typically do.

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I think we're going to start doing this somewhat regularly.

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Um, and one of them is going to be reading some articles and kind of talking about it.

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And we figured after interviewing Sydney Pope and, and talking about her Northology adventures

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that probably one of the best things to do is talk about articles from her magazine.

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So it's, it's directly overland and off road related.

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If you guys haven't taken a look at it, um, go to Northologyadventures.com and take a

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look at her magazines.

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She releases them what?

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Monthly?

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Every month.

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Yep.

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And hopefully soon on RSS and not just email.

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Right.

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So I think the article we're going to do today, um, is titled what I wish I knew back then.

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Um, and then, you know, there's a little, little, uh, description down underneath that

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that says we asked newbie overlander group members what they wish they had known when

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they first started getting into overlanding and vehicle assisted adventure travel.

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So we're going to start that up here and we're going to start with a quote from Dan Hagstad

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and in advance, I'm sorry if I mess up your names.

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Uh, and he says, don't buy every piece of equipment that people suggest.

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Start with the minimum, the basics and do some practicing.

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Find out what you need and buy that.

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Everybody needs and styles are different.

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I say by the second one first.

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Um, I think the second one first.

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I think it's supposed to be B UI by the second one first, but it's not easy because you don't

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know when you just starting out.

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I just wanted to make sure I was like that threw me off a little bit.

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Um, yeah, I just pretty much, uh, I think something that we try to articulate as well

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is very much so number and don't fall into the overland tax bracket where everybody's

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trying to sell you everything you need to overland.

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Buy different things.

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Um, you know, Alex is really good at trying, uh, trying things that aren't branded for

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overlanding, but work for it.

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Um, I'm very cheap.

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So I try to like make all my own stuff out of wood or I like, I use a shower caddy to

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hold my salt and pepper shakers and stuff to my windows.

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So yeah, and I'm, I'm kinda wasting money right now because I'm trying things that should

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work the way they are and I'm trying to find the cheapest way to do certain things like

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air compressors.

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I'm on what my third air compressor right now, because I'm trying to find the cheapest

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way to build a decent onboard air system.

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Without just surviving through that overlanding, right.

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Four and $500 ARB system.

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So there's gotta be a decent setup that's less than that.

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So that's what I'm searching for.

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And you know what?

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And if, and I'm sure there is, but if you get to a certain point to where you're searching

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and searching and going through multiple air compressors and you get to a point to where

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it's like, wow, you know, maybe there's really not all that much out there.

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Then it kind of also answers a question for us that we kind of need to know too.

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Right.

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How long are we searching?

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Is it worth the extra money to just land on that first instead of air?

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Especially with the onboard air stuff, I'm doing it more to better the community because

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there's going to be something that's cheaper.

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So I'm willing to be the, the guinea pig who wastes all his money to figure out what the

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right answer is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that's, that's what I mean is like, it's once we, you get done experimenting and doing

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this, it'll, it'll help us define an answer to that.

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Yeah.

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So we have another quote from a Rob Krupa says, whether it's camping gear or vehicle

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accessories, wait until you find a problem with what you have and then figure out what

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you need to add or change to solve that problem.

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Don't spend money on gear or modifications that you don't need when you could be spending

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that money to actually travel.

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I think that's, I think that's a pretty good advice actually.

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Me too.

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I think, I think a lot of people keep buying things that they think they might need.

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And I think I was kind of guilty of that at first, just to make sure I was prepared, never

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ended up using it.

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And I could have used that money definitely for at least gas to travel to the other side

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of the state.

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So good advice there.

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Then we have a Jared pace that says, I didn't know how to find or get some of these amazing

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camping spots.

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Thanks to the Onyx off road app, I could see where I can go without being on private property.

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And that is pretty important, I guess, what I wish I knew back then in that case.

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But I will say that Onyx isn't necessarily the only way that you can find that out.

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No, no.

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So joining a group, joining a group like Mitten state tours.

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That's a really good spot for that information.

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Onyx has a lot and it's getting better.

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But any of the spots that you find on Onyx, they might be good spots.

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But that also means that anybody knows where they're at.

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Yeah.

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So these are these are public spots that everybody knows about what they're on.

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Right.

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So the really, really good spots are going to be those ones that someone gives you.

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Yeah.

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Or you find yourself.

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And it's also important to and I'll touch on this a little bit.

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If you find a really good spot, maybe don't advertise it to the world.

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At first, I was very, very against that kind of mind thought, because at the same time,

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you're like, hey, that's what this community is about.

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But as I've wheeled more and met different varieties of people that use the same app,

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if you advertise a certain spot that is a gorgeous spot, it's hard to get to.

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The more that you advertise, how beautiful it is, the more trashed it becomes almost.

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So I guess what I'm saying is to pick your pick the people that you choose to share the

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spot with, because it's an open app.

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Everybody can find it.

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So yeah.

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But yeah, no, I mean, there are other apps like Gaia.

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Gaia is another good app.

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They just raise their subscription price, I think, up, which has got a lot of people

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switching off of it to on X.

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The other thing with Gaia is Gaia doesn't just inherently know what kind of stuff you

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want to see.

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You have to put that information into Gaia.

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Right.

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Yep.

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So guys, just a blank map.

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But then you add your GPX files to get those locations.

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Right.

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I do.

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I will say I do like on X better, preferably just for me.

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And we've talked about this a couple of times, so we won't stay on it too long.

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But just user interface, being able to see already done trails to get an idea of what

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you, you know, what you potentially have in front of you.

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So for me, solo over landing with my family, maybe I don't want to do like a red trail

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by myself.

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And knowing that it's a red trail or marked as a red trail gives me kind of an idea of,

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hey, maybe this isn't something that I want to do by myself if I don't have a winch or

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proper recovery gear.

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So just keep that in mind.

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And then let's keep moving here.

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We have a quote from Adam Rubin says there is no right or wrong way to do it.

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And finding what makes your life easier is the way that you should be pursuing the hobby

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slash lifestyle.

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And I think the more that we talk about this in our podcast, and the more that we talk

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about this with other people that is becoming truer and truer, the definition of over landing

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has changed so much.

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And as, as we've all kind of known, or if you talk to anybody, you know, about over

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landing, there's such a skewed definition.

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So it's definitely important to just do however it works for you.

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Don't necessarily worry about if you're actually doing it, you know, per definition or not.

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I mean, are you in your car?

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And are you driving your car to cool camp spots?

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Congrats, you're over landing.

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Yeah, I just don't don't think too hard on it.

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No, I mean, well, yeah, budget over landing and what is it United, United, United by overland.

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Yeah, and those were, you know, originally created for that same kind of purpose.

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And, and the founders have kind of moved away from even trying to define it anymore because

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of that.

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So it's like, it's, it's a weird sticky situation, I guess, for the people that overpay to overland.

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You know, if I think back to 2017, 2016, I was, quote unquote, over landing in an open

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bed pickup, and I would throw a tarp over the bed.

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And that was my overland setup.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And it can be anything, literally anything.

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It's very important not to get hung up on the details.

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And just remember that you're, it's more of a it's more of a just a word to define the

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lifestyle or the hobby that you like.

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So don't worry about what other people think about that.

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So moving on, and by the way, the pictures and photography in this Northology magazine

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are gorgeous.

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Oh, yeah, definitely take a look at this.

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I have a quote from Bill Warwick, it says it's all a big advertisement, slow down with

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the purchasing, make sure you're getting what you need, not what is the latest thing.

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Make sure you're making large investments with the future in mind, and don't buy too

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small or too large.

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Man, I think we're seeing a theme on these.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And these, and this is from people like us that have done the same thing, and all have

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the same advice.

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So when you're hearing it over and over and over, it only solidifies, hey, don't buy into

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this overland, not scam, but the overland tax scam in a way it's kind of a scam if you

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think about it, but no, it's totally a scam.

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You know, chasing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Use what you need and and find out what works for you.

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And by doing that, you're gonna end up spending money trial and error.

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Don't just jump straight to an expensive fridge.

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Like let me give you an example.

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I jumped straight to a fridge that I thought that would be perfect for the price.

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It seemed really good.

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I didn't measure as much as I thought I should.

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And my slide isn't measured as much as I thought.

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So it didn't really match up.

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And because of that, I've had to modify and move things around.

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If I were to have measured a little differently and thought about the future and how I was

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going to set up my rig eventually, my setup might have changed a little bit.

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My fridge might be a little different looking and my slide would operate and be different.

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But I had to figure that out.

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I had to buy it to figure that out and to have that expertise and knowledge.

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So this is why we're talking about this stuff to you guys is so that you hopefully don't

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have to do that first.

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Oh yeah.

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I mean, you can start like me and Alex do with our storage solutions.

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We did the military crates first and now we're going to pack outs.

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Yeah.

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The military crates were only good because they were twenty five dollars and could store

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a boatload of stuff waterproof.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So, so as you, as you do it more though, you start to realize the needs and like Alex and

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Mark, their needs are evolving and the way that they're thinking about this evolves to

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what they kind of need more.

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So it's going to be really interesting watching all of our pack outs and, and overlanding

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kits changed throughout time.

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Mine last year changed probably 50, like 50 times.

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Like I have pictures of different, I mean, it's like different configurations to test

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and try it out.

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I think that's like my favorite part.

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Yeah, that's, that's up there with my favorite part.

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I love building.

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We have a, we have a simple quote from a Teresa Nelson in, and this is in regards and I'll

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remind everybody what the quote topic is or the topic is what I wish I knew back then.

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And she says the money that hubby spends on gear, that should know.

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It's no joke.

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That's why I'm so single.

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If our wives knew if they, if they could put it together as a total, I'm sure they wouldn't

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be as happy.

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Thankfully, my wife likes doing it too.

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So she's like, I won't tell you know, as long as it makes sense.

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And so all I have to do is be a good salesman, but, but that's definitely, there's a lot

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of money into it.

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And I think that's what's really important about how Alex is Mark are doing.

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This is that they're trying to get around that whole, you know, that whole thing.

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So we have a quote from Stephanie King that says that my daughter thinks I have an addiction

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now that I am building out my dream.

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I would like to have my Tacoma finished when I retire so that I could travel and overland

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full time and, oh, poor Stephanie.

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Yeah.

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I think that we could, that's something that we all would like to do.

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Poor Stephanie doesn't realize she does have an addiction.

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And, and it won't stop as soon as you say once my Tacoma is finished with air quotes

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that I'm putting up at the same time, nothing's ever finished.

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It can always be fine tuned.

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And then eventually you'll get it like you after a while you'll get a trailer and then

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you'll move up to like a, you know, a larger over landing vehicle.

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It'll just change as you go.

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And that's part of the fun.

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Oh yeah.

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Cause there's a guy, Alpine tactics.

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Yup.

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He has rebuilt the Tacoma like three or four times down in the last five years.

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Yeah.

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And I think that also, that also kind of reinforces what we say as far as like, as you do it more

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and more, you start to realize what you need and don't need.

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And then you refine and fine tune your vehicle to meet those needs.

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So yeah.

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And go ahead.

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If you drive like a Honda CRV or something, you don't need more than like two gallons

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of spare fuel.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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You don't need six or seven gallons.

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We saw a Honda CRV with a six or seven gallons of spare fuel.

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And you know what I have in response to that is much like if someone else, we were just

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talking about SUV wise and the poor fuel economy, all that added gear and weight probably affects

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that so much worse that it might need it.

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I bet you that thing gets 12 miles of the gallon now because all that extra weight,

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but then you're adding weight with all this fuel and that just compounds the problem.

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It sure does.

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But hey, you know what?

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It looks, he had what?

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Three.

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He had four on the sides hanging on the windows.

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He had three on the tire carrier and one on the roof, I think, or something like that.

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Like there were so many cans and they were all, what are they?

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Rotopacks, the ones that probably have the hole in the middle.

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It was, I mean, thousands of dollars just in fuel storage.

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And I can't, I can't see it.

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It's just as touring set up.

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He was set for going thousands of miles between gas stations.

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What does that say?

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Is he going to do the Alaskan Highway?

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That would be the only place that that would remotely make sense or that he was kitted

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out with extra fuel to help other people who don't carry spare fuel.

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I've seen certain groups where certain group members carry certain things.

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So one vehicle is rigged up for spare parts.

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Another one's more recovery.

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The other one is more of the kitchen.

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So I've seen, I've seen groups that do that kind of thing too.

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I doubt.

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Okay.

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Do you want to, do you want to hear something really funny?

490
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:48,400
So on the Alaskan Highway, the longest stretch without fuel stops is a hundred miles.

491
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,240
I thought there was a longer stretch than that, but I guess I was wrong.

492
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,760
Well, so what time of year you're at, because there is some gas station that calls for the

493
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,520
winter time.

494
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,960
This is, this is a January report.

495
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,240
Okay.

496
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:10,320
So there is no, almost no vehicles that need to carry spare fuel even for the Alaskan Highway

497
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,960
as long as you're smart with it.

498
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:12,960
Now should you?

499
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,960
Yeah, probably.

500
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,160
What if you get stuck and you got to run at it, you know, all the time?

501
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,320
But I, I wish he completed it.

502
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,840
He didn't complete got overheated.

503
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,280
Weston Chaplin was taking one of the little K trucks.

504
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,280
Yeah.

505
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,280
I saw that.

506
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:35,800
Lucky it was doing a middle of the summer, but it was, it was very cool to see that K

507
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,800
truck.

508
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,640
Um, and, and that's stuck that it overheated.

509
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,280
I was really hoping he was going to get to finish that.

510
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,280
I know.

511
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:50,960
Um, so we have another one by Jill Carr that says how addicting it is and how many great

512
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,480
people we would need.

513
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,760
It's a pleasant surprise.

514
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:59,280
I also agree with what everyone else is saying about start slow, by practical and only what

515
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,320
you need.

516
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,400
So we'll, we'll move past all that again, because we've been saying it over and over,

517
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,920
but I will, I will touch on this and say that it is crazy how many great people you do meet

518
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,880
while you're doing this.

519
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,480
That's one of the reasons why MST is such a nice group for that.

520
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,680
Um, when we first started as a family, we were kind of worried to finding rant rowdy

521
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:26,800
rambunctious partiers that would just drink all night and, and, and do irresponsible things.

522
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,520
And, uh, we were kind of worried about that because that's just not who we are.

523
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,160
And thankfully most of the group or parents, they have, they have typical bedtimes.

524
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,120
They don't like to, they don't like to get crazy.

525
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,640
Like how we're kind of thinking, you know, like back when we were like 16 and, and, and

526
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,640
stupid kids.

527
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,760
So I'm usually the party group.

528
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,760
Yeah.

529
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,440
And he's not too bad.

530
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,520
He just loud sometimes.

531
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,120
So like, uh, earlier in the podcast, sorry, everyone, my game was turned way the hell

532
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,120
up.

533
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,120
Yeah, that's okay.

534
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,280
But, uh, but yeah, no, it's, uh, I think that's really good.

535
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,760
We met a lot of really good people.

536
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,040
I've met Alex and Mark through this.

537
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:17,720
I've met, uh, you know, Mike and his family, Drew, Ed, you know, of course, Joe's all the

538
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:24,680
Joe's, uh, speaking of Ed, I know I've already told him, but I just want to say congrats

539
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,680
on the baby.

540
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,680
Ed and grass.

541
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,680
Yes.

542
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,680
Congrats.

543
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,680
And good luck.

544
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,480
Cutest little kid ever.

545
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,680
Yep.

546
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,640
And I hope to see that all of you guys out camping with the dogs and everything.

547
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,760
Hope to see you guys out this year.

548
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,460
So, uh, yeah, that's super exciting.

549
00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:46,680
We always, you know, I haven't been a part of this group for more than a probably a year

550
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:53,760
now, but it's really exciting to see the families grow that you care about.

551
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,760
You know what I mean?

552
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,000
So, let's see, we got a David Rui.

553
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,000
He says you just need a vehicle, a shelter, food and water.

554
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Yep.

555
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,000
Pretty much.

556
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000
Yeah.

557
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,480
Don't think too hard on it.

558
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,680
No, anything beyond that is luxury.

559
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,680
Right.

560
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,680
Yeah, exactly.

561
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:22,400
Um, we have, let's see.

562
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,920
Think that's, uh, we, uh, Christina Goodwin.

563
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,920
Yep.

564
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,920
We got that one.

565
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,920
That's, uh, how much it can make you hate reentering society.

566
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,720
The only bad part of an overlanding trip is the first tire back on the interstate heading

567
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,720
home.

568
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,800
And that is really true.

569
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,800
100%.

570
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,800
I don't know.

571
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,480
I like the interstate drives back just as much.

572
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,600
It's when I get back into grant that I'm like, God damn it.

573
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:55,320
You know, the first, the first trip that I took out on Superior, um, with Sienna, the

574
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,480
first big one we took in our two wheel drive escape.

575
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,480
Um, I won't lie.

576
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,600
We had such a fun time.

577
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:08,600
And on the way back coming through the, the, the bends and the little road next to the

578
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,520
lake, I, I kind of looked at it and I said, you know, it's weird.

579
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,640
I said, we live in a beautiful area.

580
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,640
She goes, yeah.

581
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,040
I was like, no, I mean, like we really do.

582
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:24,440
I said, if you think about this from our vacation brain, almost our overlanding brain, I said,

583
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,640
if you think about coming through this area and what we would have thought if this was

584
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,520
somewhere up in a different area.

585
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,040
I said, this is a beautiful area.

586
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,440
She goes, yeah, you know, I guess it is.

587
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,720
I'm like, you know, the town's gorgeous.

588
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,520
So it is, it sucks getting back into, into what we were going in.

589
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,520
But I think it's important to know too, that a lot of the times where we are in the closest

590
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,320
areas next to us are actually still gorgeous.

591
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:54,360
You know, I, I will honestly say that coming into New Waco in the winter time is probably

592
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,400
one of my favorite things to do.

593
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,000
That's why I always, if I'm coming from up North, you'll always see me take M37.

594
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,480
It's solely for that drive.

595
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,680
It's solely for that drive into New Waco.

596
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,120
Coming in the hill, going over the bridge is beautiful in the middle of like a snow

597
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,520
storm or something in the Christmas, all night drawn.

598
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,520
Gorgeous.

599
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:19,080
You have the, you have the three guys on the camels, the three wise men, the three guys

600
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:26,760
up on top of the school with the star, David, two guys, five guys.

601
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,760
Yeah.

602
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:34,320
You know, and I've, I I've been doing this, you know, all over the country and I can honestly

603
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,720
say that there's a reason that other people come to our area to do this because our area

604
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,680
is just so fricking pretty, man.

605
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,680
Yeah.

606
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,680
It's just what we're used to.

607
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,800
So we want to see something new.

608
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,800
Yeah.

609
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:50,800
And that's what I'm trying to get at is, is it, what's important is to also rethink how

610
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,000
your area is and to reshape that part of your mind to say, Hey, you know, we're in a good

611
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,800
area to get out and explore it.

612
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,680
We found things in our own area within 10 miles of us that we didn't ever think that

613
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,960
we'd ever find, you know, just cool stuff.

614
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,960
Yeah.

615
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,600
So that's, that's kind of something to help ease your mind a little bit, especially in

616
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,040
the winter months right now when we're all like, gnawing at the cage to get out.

617
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:20,160
But then as a side point to that, if you do live somewhere that doesn't have that, don't

618
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,160
be discouraged.

619
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,000
There's always somewhere to go.

620
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Yeah.

621
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,480
I have a, I have a buddy in Tennessee.

622
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,160
He goes, he goes, Oh, well, I don't, I don't have anything close to me.

623
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,680
There's no trails or there's no nothing.

624
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,360
I said, is there wilderness?

625
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,360
Is there country?

626
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,320
Like how long does it take you to get out in the middle of nowhere?

627
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,440
And he's like, well, and I'm like, yeah, exactly.

628
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,440
I said, just drive around, dude.

629
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,440
Go find a yard.

630
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,440
We'll find a river.

631
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,040
There's plenty of areas down there.

632
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,920
And it's like, it's like, you just need to go out and look and that's the thing.

633
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,840
Even, even here in Michigan, pretty much anything south of us, they're looking at like 30 minutes

634
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,920
before they hit a national forest at least.

635
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,280
But then you get down towards like, like Hamilton, they're looking at two or three hours.

636
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,280
Sure.

637
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,280
Yeah.

638
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,920
Like there is no wheeling in that area.

639
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,880
So if you live in one of those spots, don't get discouraged.

640
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,480
There's so much stuff to see.

641
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,280
You just have to be able to make time.

642
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,280
Yeah.

643
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,320
Yeah.

644
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,480
So we have a quote from Jim Caldwell that says, make a list and take what you think

645
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,240
you might need to a nearby state park type campground.

646
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:31,240
Make a second list while you're camping of what you wish you had with you.

647
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,960
Keep refining those lists and you'll soon learn everything that you really need and

648
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,240
nothing that you don't.

649
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:37,800
I actually love this.

650
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:44,120
And this is actually what we did with our son when we first took him out.

651
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:50,120
This is a, this is a great way to get out, a great way to do it safely.

652
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,820
And it's still pretty fun.

653
00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:54,160
You can find some really gorgeous state park campgrounds.

654
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,640
There's nothing wrong with staying at one.

655
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:02,360
And sometimes, sometimes they have showers.

656
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,200
So yeah, which is nice.

657
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,320
But it's perfect for that.

658
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,040
You could sit there.

659
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:14,520
Honestly, I'm a lot less worried about what other people think when I'm at a state park

660
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,480
campground because you're like, you're paying to be there.

661
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,040
You know that you're close to other people.

662
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,040
So I'm like, I'm like, they don't care.

663
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,880
They know what they're getting into.

664
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,320
It's like, so I'm not necessarily worried about my baby crying as much, although, you

665
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,580
know, obviously you're not trying to make it happen a lot, but it's a really good way

666
00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:36,440
to do like your spring shakedowns.

667
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,840
To go out to like a campground like that and to just, and I don't mean spring shakedowns

668
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,160
for your vehicle, but more for your camping gear and how you have it set up.

669
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,160
Yeah.

670
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,440
Like go out, see if you got a leak in your tent.

671
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,440
Yep.

672
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,440
Exactly.

673
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,600
You don't have to go out in the middle of a trip and you're out in the middle of nowhere.

674
00:36:53,600 --> 00:37:00,480
Then you have to find a way back to a DMC or a sporting goods store to find one.

675
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,480
Absolutely.

676
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,480
Yep.

677
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,480
That's a really good point.

678
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,680
That actually brings me back to, I remembered I used to, when I used to camp by myself,

679
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,200
I would actually bring waterproofer and stuff for my tent because I rarely would set up

680
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,920
my tent at my house other than to dry every few times.

681
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,440
So while I was camping, when I actually set my tent up, I'd waterproof it and clean it

682
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,440
out at the same time while I was there.

683
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,040
I mean, you're there all day anyway.

684
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Yeah.

685
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,040
That's a good point.

686
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,040
Very good point.

687
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,040
Yeah.

688
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:35,400
So we have, let's see, another quote from Brendal Gantt or Jantt that says, how obsessed

689
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,000
you can become with the peacefulness of nature.

690
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,360
I find myself constantly staring out of my work window, ready for my next adventure and

691
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,360
definitely learning to take my time with building up my vehicle to my needs instead of trying

692
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,760
to look like everybody else's vehicles.

693
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,920
I've come across the last three years.

694
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,280
It's been a slow process and it has taught me patience.

695
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,280
Yeah.

696
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,640
It has taught me that patience and has taught me that all kinds of things about my vehicle

697
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:10,120
and what can handle without anything fancy or what she can handle without handle anything

698
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,480
fancy.

699
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,080
So yeah, it's a lot of the same and, but it's very important.

700
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,280
And I find myself doing the same thing, looking out the window.

701
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:28,000
I'm sitting at work and I'm looking at Onyx looking for the next spot, you know, or I'm

702
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:34,360
perusing online looking for the next upgrade that's going to help me do this a little bit

703
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:40,000
easier, a little bit better or whatever, you know.

704
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:49,440
So I think it is, it gets to be, you know, lately it's been, how can I, how can I find

705
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,080
a job that makes me do this more?

706
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,880
So I mean, so it's one of those kinds of things where like you love doing it so much that

707
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,480
you're, you're looking forward to doing it at all costs.

708
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:05,980
So we got another quote from Brian Havelock that says the best way to start is to just

709
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:10,560
take what you have and go, even if it means going to campground just to see if you like

710
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:17,020
it as you go, you know what you need and know and what you don't and won't use.

711
00:39:17,020 --> 00:39:21,960
So just like the quote we read earlier, especially if you're a new camper, that's like, that's

712
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,920
the biggest thing is just go, you know, just make sure you have what you need.

713
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,940
You need, you know, your tent, you need, or a some kind of sort of, you know, way to protect

714
00:39:30,940 --> 00:39:34,280
yourself at night or an enclosure.

715
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:41,240
You need food, water, and just go and then find out what you wish you had.

716
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:42,800
And that's just the easiest way to do it.

717
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,800
And then build from there.

718
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,000
Right.

719
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,840
We have Jay Jackson.

720
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:54,240
I never expected how big my, how my rig can get me to quiet places where I can leave the

721
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:59,600
noise of life behind, hike, cook, read, and just be.

722
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:05,800
And I'm sorry, that was Kelly Dreenan, not Jay Jackson.

723
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,800
That was the quote on her.

724
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,600
But yeah, it's a good way to disconnect.

725
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,920
Alex does a really good job, although he fights it a little bit sometimes, but he does a really

726
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,720
good job of staying off his phone and being just a part of it.

727
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,360
And I do envy, envy that kind of part.

728
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,480
I like to collect the memories on camera and stuff.

729
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,640
So a lot of the time I'm on my phone taking pictures of Jasper and my family, but I do

730
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:37,920
wish sometimes I could just turn it off and be, but the want to have them.

731
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:46,000
Buy yourself a crappy little digital disposable and just stick your phone.

732
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,040
Laziness is the biggest reason why I don't do that is because if I do that, then I also

733
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:56,000
have to transfer and then I have to like, you know, it's, it's for me, it's like, I

734
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,360
have it on my phone, take the picture and it's a very good quality picture.

735
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,840
And then when I want to upload it, I just get home and I upload it.

736
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,800
So that's, that is really nice, but it's, it's important to disconnect.

737
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,800
I have to get home, transfer them to my computer, then upload them from the computer.

738
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,280
Yeah, I get it.

739
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,280
Yep.

740
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,280
Yep.

741
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,000
And I will say Jay Jackson's quote real quick too.

742
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,360
Overlanding is not a thing in every state.

743
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,820
Texas is most privately is mostly privately owned.

744
00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:33,960
So yeah, I guess it is important to look at your state and what kind of potential there

745
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:39,600
is most states, bigger states, there is potential for it.

746
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:45,880
Oddly enough, Texas is not one of them, but, you know, some of your smaller states like

747
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:51,160
New Jersey and stuff, maybe not so much, but it's pretty much the whole East coast.

748
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,760
Yeah, it's pretty much the whole East coast is shot.

749
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,640
I think Maine has got some good spots.

750
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,040
I've seen some videos they do that have been gorgeous.

751
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,120
And if you're in the East coast, Maine's not too crazy.

752
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,720
And I think New York has some good spots to the countryside of New York.

753
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:07,720
Yeah.

754
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:14,480
But say Maine's got Maine's got the Acadia national forest and that place is absolutely

755
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,480
beautiful.

756
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Right.

757
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,440
Then we have a quote from Brian Adler.

758
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,280
He says, try to get involved with the community and attend a few events from different areas.

759
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,800
I found really nice down to earth people all over the country and these overlanding camping

760
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,800
groups.

761
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:35,200
And yeah, that's, that's, I think the main reason why we're in MST, we go to these, uh,

762
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,720
Riggs and coffee events or the poker run events to meet these kinds of people that are all

763
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,800
like minded and we all get along really well.

764
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,440
And then we kind of form a little community and we, we go camping together and we all

765
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,200
have each other's backs and, and we don't really have to worry about the type of person

766
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,680
I'm somewhere with, you know what I mean? Cause a lot of the times there's nothing to

767
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,680
worry about.

768
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,680
Yeah.

769
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,680
Oh no, they're all weirdos.

770
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,680
Yeah.

771
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Oh yeah.

772
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,400
If you were to explain this, uh, you know, hobby to somebody else, which I have a few

773
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,240
times and they're very different type of people, you know, live in subdivisions, never leave

774
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:13,160
their house, don't really go anywhere outside.

775
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,160
They're not really outside people.

776
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,440
And you go to explain to them that you go off road on purpose to get lost on purpose

777
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:26,140
and you meet strangers that you've never met in your life to hang out in the woods.

778
00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:31,560
And then you trust them with your son and your wife in tents, four feet across from

779
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,160
each other in the middle of nowhere where you could easily be killed.

780
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,640
And they look at you like you're fucking crazy.

781
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,360
And you know what?

782
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,480
I don't, there's a lot of trust that goes into that.

783
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,480
It is.

784
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,480
There's a lot of trust.

785
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:51,280
I mean, obviously having some kind of backup plan is important too, but there, there is,

786
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,680
there's a lot of trust that goes into that.

787
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,760
And that's why it's important to find these communities and find these good people that

788
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,040
you can trust and make sure that you have semi-automatic bear spray.

789
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,000
Usually I prefer the nine millimeter variety.

790
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Yes.

791
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,920
I do like my nine millimeter tent hole puncher.

792
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,080
So, uh, let's see.

793
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:18,760
We have a Craig and I'm going to mess this back last name up, but Craig Gilead.

794
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:19,760
Gillett.

795
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:20,760
Gilead.

796
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:21,760
Gillow.

797
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,960
If you're trying to go past that.

798
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:24,960
Sounds good.

799
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:25,960
Gillow.

800
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,960
Gillow.

801
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,960
Gille.

802
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,960
Gille.

803
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,880
Anywho.

804
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,280
You can rent overlanding vehicles all over the world.

805
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:39,340
So fly places and rent to see what you can, uh, yeah.

806
00:44:39,340 --> 00:44:44,240
So fly places and rent to see what you like before you buy and get into it.

807
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:49,440
Plus, even when you get your own gear, renting offers many benefits.

808
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,200
Why limit yourself to road trips from your house when you can just do it on a different

809
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,560
continent every trip.

810
00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:01,920
I have fair, I have fairly well equipped forerunner, but I've taken trips in Costa Rica, Jordan,

811
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,880
Scotland, and other places in Land Rovers, FJs and others.

812
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,080
Renting opens so many more doors.

813
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:15,680
I'm in New Orleans, so I have a, so I have to drive two days to get somewhere real.

814
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Meanwhile, I can hop on a flight to Costa Rica and be in the jungles in the Land Cruiser

815
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,560
that afternoon.

816
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,560
That's crazy.

817
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,400
I kind of laughed in the beginning because I'm like, yeah, that's, that seems like a

818
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,840
lot of money, but at the same time, I mean, the money that you spend to build your rig

819
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,560
versus the money that you're spending on a plane ticket to rent a rig, it could even

820
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,180
out in a way.

821
00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:45,560
My only argument to that is I like collecting stickers for my forerunner to see where she's

822
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,560
been.

823
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,560
Yeah.

824
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,120
I like doing it in something I've built because again, to me, building is a big part of the

825
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,120
hobby.

826
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,120
Yeah.

827
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,960
I think the traveling in your vehicle for me is part of that.

828
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:06,280
I think that there is something to be said about, let's say if we were to go to Alaska,

829
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,960
because I like very, a very long way.

830
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:17,600
And if I've never been to Alaska before, maybe renting it and doing, you know, maybe a guided

831
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,560
tour with someone like Mint State Tours in Alaska to get a feel for the area first.

832
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,360
And what I totally need.

833
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,360
The opposite.

834
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,360
Yeah.

835
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,360
I've never been there, but man, I want to drive there.

836
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,780
Yeah, no, I want.

837
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:31,780
So don't get me wrong.

838
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:33,600
I want to drive there.

839
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,520
But for me, if I'm driving from Michigan to Alaska, I want to know that I have the right

840
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,880
shit in the right gear pack for that.

841
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:47,160
So my my reason is maybe first more of a scouting adventure.

842
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,160
I go there.

843
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,520
I rent a vehicle.

844
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,240
I do it for a week or so.

845
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:55,920
And then I realize, OK, this is what I'm going to need while I'm here.

846
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,840
And that's kind of where I'm at with that.

847
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,360
I would definitely still take my vehicle there when I'm ready.

848
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,920
And I I would be the guy you find frozen in a snowbank next to his truck.

849
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,480
Yeah, he's the guy that's like, all right, let's go.

850
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,600
So very that was a very interesting quote.

851
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,000
I, you know, wasn't really expecting something like that.

852
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,360
We have another quote from James McMillan and it says, not sharing locations of remote

853
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,800
camping spots on social media.

854
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,200
Irresponsible posting leads to the overuse and abuse of public lands.

855
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,240
That is a lot like what we talked about earlier.

856
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:33,240
And it's very true.

857
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,880
It happens a lot.

858
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,200
It's somebody who overlands and any of our off roaders that listen to our podcast.

859
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,280
I'm sure that you've driven on a trail somewhere.

860
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,920
I think that you got out in the middle of nowhere.

861
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,040
Find a cool camp spot and then find a couch and beer cans around it.

862
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:53,080
So oh, yeah, that's that's kind of that's kind of why we don't share as much anymore

863
00:47:53,080 --> 00:48:00,060
is because because with sharing the locations get passed around.

864
00:48:00,060 --> 00:48:03,600
People realize they can get to them and then they're irresponsible.

865
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,720
Unfortunately, you can't just trust people to do the right thing.

866
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:13,800
So until that happens, that's a kind of one of those things.

867
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:19,720
So I just wanted to thank Cindy for her.

868
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:28,880
We're going to ask for forgiveness kind of situation here for letting her read the Northology

869
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,000
magazine out under this.

870
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,520
And I hope that she's OK with us kind of bringing her magazine back into this and talking about

871
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:44,600
what a great source of information, a source of products and stuff that are in this.

872
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,920
And we're hopefully going to keep doing little sections like this.

873
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,880
We'll do this maybe once every couple of weeks, maybe once a month.

874
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,180
We're going to kind of feel that out, too.

875
00:48:55,180 --> 00:49:01,600
And it's a lot of fun to kind of talk about this and and add a little segment onto our

876
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:02,600
onto our podcast.

877
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:03,600
So what did you guys think?

878
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,120
Is this something that we want to do a little bit?

879
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,840
Dude, I I like this a lot.

880
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,000
Not to say it's like low quality content, it's really high quality content.

881
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,680
But absolutely to have to have at least one week a month where we don't have to think

882
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,960
through a topic and it's kind of laid out for us.

883
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,280
Yeah, I'm all for it.

884
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,360
Well, I like I like reading the articles and then talking about how we think about that.

885
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:34,040
Obviously with that with that question, that's a pretty widely used question around the overlanding

886
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,040
community.

887
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,040
So you're going to get a lot of that repetition and answer.

888
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,480
But yeah.

889
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,080
But but you know, next week or next month when we choose to read a different article,

890
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:48,600
it could be top five destinations in the Middle East or whatever.

891
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,520
And you know, maybe maybe it brings a little more knowledge to something else that we didn't

892
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,520
know about.

893
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,760
So yeah, I think that's something that we can definitely do in the future.

894
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:02,320
And with Cindy Pope's continued hopefully permission.

895
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,320
Yeah.

896
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,320
And yeah, yeah.

897
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,860
Well, we'll double check with her after this.

898
00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:16,520
We figured that she wouldn't mind, you know, the extra publicity, I guess.

899
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,000
And it's not negative publicity at all, by any means.

900
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,000
Definitely the opposite.

901
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,000
But so.

902
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,680
But what do you guys think?

903
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,760
She lists us and her podcast things on her magazine.

904
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,920
So I guess us giving some shoot back to Northology isn't a half bad idea.

905
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,760
Only fair, only fair.

906
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:35,760
Yeah.

907
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,940
But she's a great person.

908
00:50:36,940 --> 00:50:41,920
So I have no doubt that she would would not mind.

909
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:48,600
So with that, I think we are we're going to move now from this segment on to our next

910
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,600
segment.

911
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,680
Yes, which are booze.

912
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,680
Yes.

913
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,800
And we're going to move that over to the very first.

914
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:02,000
For the very first time on the botches off road podcast, a listener has decided that

915
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,000
we deserve just a little bit of kickback for the content we make.

916
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,000
Yeah.

917
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:16,280
So from our dear, dear friend, Magnolia Mayhem, who he he's a co listener to another podcast

918
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:22,080
that I listen to, which is Jupiter Broadcasting.

919
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,400
They do a lot of Linux based stuff and open source stuff.

920
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,500
If that's anything anyone here likes to listen to.

921
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:34,000
But Magnolia says, did I hear that nobody has boosted the show yet?

922
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,100
Well, if that's true, let me have the honor of not only the first to listen to the show

923
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:45,640
using a flamethrower, but also the first to boost in man, a flamethrower.

924
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,040
I we almost need him to boost in and tell us the story behind that.

925
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,120
Also, also from the few peaks behind the curtain I've had.

926
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,640
Oh, this is talking about I think it was last week's episode where we did the conspiracy

927
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,640
stuff.

928
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:00,640
Yeah.

929
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,600
He goes from the few peaks behind the curtain I've had, the stuff the government has is

930
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,720
nothing like what he's describing.

931
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:12,820
I wish they had gravity drones or whatever, but instead I almost got get arrested for

932
00:52:12,820 --> 00:52:15,560
looking at a completely mundane white plane.

933
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,760
I mean, if they didn't want me to look at it, they should have parked it right next

934
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:19,760
to me.

935
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,320
What was I talking about again?

936
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,020
So there's some mystery there.

937
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:29,640
He didn't go really into detail as far as what the white plane is, but it gets me all

938
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,840
thinking about all the conspiracies and what's going on.

939
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,640
Maybe that plane was gravitically driven.

940
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:37,640
Yeah.

941
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:43,280
I was saying about how the propulsion worked on it.

942
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,640
So I'd have to agree with him.

943
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,320
The the gravitic propulsion seems kind of out there.

944
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,780
It is crazy.

945
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:57,080
But yeah, at least when it comes to communications, I'd say that the community.

946
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:02,200
Well, I was a communications guy in the army for anyone who was listening.

947
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,600
I'd say they're 10 to 15 years ahead of what the consumer market has.

948
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:13,880
In most areas and then in other areas, they're like 50 years behind the consumer market.

949
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:19,400
When it comes to like when it comes to like outfitting their soldiers and actual like

950
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,440
vehicles and stuff.

951
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,440
Yeah.

952
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,440
Yeah, probably.

953
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,440
But probably a lot closer.

954
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,560
I mean, look at how big mesh radios are getting today.

955
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,400
When I was in the army, we were starting to experiment with them and that was 10 years

956
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,860
ago and they were about on par with what we have now.

957
00:53:37,860 --> 00:53:43,000
So I would say that about 10 to 15 years is where I'd place them.

958
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Yeah.

959
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,000
Yeah.

960
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,680
I mean, I think I would say that every year.

961
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,640
And this is probably just being nice, but every year that we advance in future, just

962
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:00,160
in general, just every year that we advance, I feel like that timeline actually gets moved

963
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,280
up every, you know, it goes from maybe.

964
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,920
We're 10 to 15 years, one year.

965
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:13,040
But after we unlock a certain understanding, it goes from, you know, you know, 12 to 20

966
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,720
years and then 20 to 25.

967
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:17,600
And I might.

968
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:27,120
My only reasoning is, you know, from the 40s or the 30s till now are.

969
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:32,520
I guess our evolution as far as understanding technology and stuff has been greatly increased

970
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,000
by year.

971
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:41,800
And I almost refuse to believe that the greed has been so bad in our country that it is

972
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,880
almost negated all kinds of, you know, kind of R&D.

973
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,640
And I just feel like there's everybody's so worried about losing money now that they don't

974
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,040
want to make anything public because they're worried about other people stealing ideas.

975
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,320
And I think I think it's the opposite.

976
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,560
I think that every year the consumer market moves forward, they're getting closer and

977
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:08,640
closer to having a matched technology level with the government because the government

978
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,640
moves very, very, very slow.

979
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,640
Yeah.

980
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:16,960
So, yeah, I was going to say, let me rephrase as far as not necessarily just the government,

981
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,360
but I do mean technology as a whole.

982
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,880
Yeah.

983
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,920
You know, like Lockheed, like obviously we don't know everything Lockheed's got or some

984
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:31,320
of these other large tech companies like this that let me just open up my Lockheed.

985
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,080
I've got everything.

986
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,080
Yeah.

987
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,080
Alex disappears.

988
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,080
What do you mean?

989
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,080
Who's this Alex?

990
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,080
Let me see this file.

991
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,080
I've never seen it.

992
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,080
I've never heard of in my life.

993
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,080
I mean, you think about it.

994
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:46,080
Look how far gunpowder has come from just being a cannonball launcher.

995
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,080
Yeah.

996
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,080
Firewall in China.

997
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,080
Yeah.

998
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,080
Fireworks in general.

999
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,080
But yeah, look how far that took for the most part.

1000
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,920
You know, but yeah, look how far that took for them to evolutionize that.

1001
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:04,400
Now we have advanced rifling and certain projectiles that do certain things at certain distances

1002
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,160
that are smart.

1003
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,680
You know, so it's like for me, that's how I see it is every year it's different.

1004
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,320
And then of course there was experiments in the forties and I, you know, unfortunately

1005
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:21,600
what Germany did was crazy wrong and unfortunate.

1006
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:28,360
But I will say with that and with that in mind, the science and the things that they

1007
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:36,760
were doing as far as propulsion, as far as weaponry was crazy, crazy stuff.

1008
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,160
If you've seen the cannon they've made the type of propulsion systems they've tried to

1009
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:48,120
make as terrible as the human experiences or experiments were, look at what we gained

1010
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,920
from those experiments because we know so much more about how the human body works or

1011
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,760
the human mind thinks solely based off of Nazi experimentation.

1012
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,760
Right.

1013
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:03,680
And we're not condoning this by any, but we're trying to see the light in a very dark situation.

1014
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,640
You know, we're still the devil.

1015
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:06,640
Yeah.

1016
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:07,640
Yeah.

1017
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,640
We just want to, I just want to say that, you know, we were not saying that any of this

1018
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,640
is good.

1019
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:16,160
We're not saying that we condone any of this, but we are trying to make light of all the

1020
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,200
sacrifices that were unfortunately made.

1021
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:28,240
So there was a lot of, there was a lot of advancements made from that.

1022
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:33,320
And if you've seen some of the videos and some of the things that Germany was trying

1023
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:40,880
to do, it, they were so far ahead in certain areas.

1024
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:46,520
And now that those, a lot of those scientists were moved around the world to different countries

1025
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:54,480
like America, it's hard for me to think that if that's what they were doing in the thirties

1026
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:03,240
and forties, and if you believe the Roswell incident to have any kind of truth to it,

1027
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,560
then you have to kind of think that, man, there's gotta be between the two, there's

1028
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,840
gotta be something more that we don't know.

1029
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:17,280
I mean, hell, they have the SR-71, one of the fastest flying aircrafts in the world,

1030
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,640
if not the fastest flying.

1031
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,480
And that was what back in the, what was that, late seventies, the early eighties?

1032
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:25,480
When was that made?

1033
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,480
The SR-71?

1034
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,360
Late seventies.

1035
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:36,800
So you're telling me that they haven't made something faster from the seventies, more

1036
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,760
efficient, faster.

1037
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:40,760
There's no way, dude.

1038
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:41,760
Yeah.

1039
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:42,760
I mean, look at planes.

1040
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,760
We just don't know about it.

1041
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,280
Yeah, planes have come a long way.

1042
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,280
Right.

1043
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,280
So, so you gotta think about it.

1044
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:54,600
And that's how I think about it, is if Roswell was true, if the SR-71, just, just the, how

1045
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:59,200
our advancements have come since then, how microchips have gotten smaller, how everything

1046
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,200
has changed.

1047
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,760
Yeah, there's no way.

1048
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:08,740
I just think that the biggest, the biggest weapon is not telling other people who's got

1049
00:59:08,740 --> 00:59:11,360
the biggest gun and the quickest gun, you know?

1050
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:16,480
I'm telling you, the two things that have to happen before I'm happy is the Concorde

1051
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,960
has to be flying across the Atlantic again and I have to go to space.

1052
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,040
There you go.

1053
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,120
You heard it here first, folks.

1054
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:31,040
Alex wants the Concorde flying across the Atlantic while he's in space.

1055
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,040
I want to watch it.

1056
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,280
I want to watch it go across.

1057
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,960
While he's in space.

1058
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:36,960
While I'm in space.

1059
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:37,960
In the ISS.

1060
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,000
Maybe not the ISS.

1061
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,000
Yeah.

1062
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,640
My own private, my own private transporter ship.

1063
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,720
Now you're, now you're just picking at like pipe dreams there.

1064
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,680
But I'm gonna, I'm gonna put some rockets on the forerunner and make sure the earth

1065
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,080
is round.

1066
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,080
Yeah.

1067
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,320
Well, when you fall off, let us know, buddy.

1068
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,880
With that, guys, I'll, we're going to wrap up this episode.

1069
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:02,880
Thanks for listening.

1070
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:09,560
We want to thank our boosters for coming in and leaving a booster for us.

1071
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:14,240
We want to thank Sid and Hope and we'll see you guys next time.

1072
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,240
Later.

1073
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:40,400
So thanks for listening.