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This is a new year, new botches, new season, new season.
And we're going to just kind of kick it off pretty relaxed.
We're going to do an episode here on the poker run.
And well, that's going to be before, isn't it?
Yeah, that'll come up.
That'll drop before.
So this is actually like, you're going to hear this and be like, well, duh, you're okay
with it, but I keep, I keep forgetting that just because we're recording it before doesn't
mean it's actually going to drop before.
So yeah, but I guess we're just going to do a quick chat.
We've been kind of chatting it up anyway and talking about, you know, or whatever upgrades
we plan on doing or buy our newest buys.
You know, Christmas was just around the corner here and we all got some goodies here and
there.
Oh, I got no goodies for the truck.
Well, technically you just got some goodies for the truck.
You can't change as one.
Yeah, that was needed.
And a goody.
Yeah, but I had to pay for all of it.
Yeah.
Oh, I get that.
Well, I would still consider that a Christmas present, just not for you, for your truck.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that's fair.
So and a new wheel bearing.
There you go.
So I guess we'll start with Alex then.
So what's your truck?
Does your truck have a name?
The forerunner with F-O-R-R-U-N-N-E-R.
Okay.
I'm just curious because I was like, mine has a name.
I didn't know if yours did.
Yeah, no, I never named it.
It just never I always would come up with something and then it just never stuck.
Right.
So you so you said you did a wheel bearing.
You did oil change.
Yeah, I have to do a front wheel bearing again.
Again.
Like, yeah, again.
Yeah.
What do you what do you what?
Yeah.
My driver said wheel bearing failed.
I can't drive my truck right now.
Oh my God, dude.
And the black truck won't start.
I'm doing great, man.
What is so starting up with issues again?
So no, no, it's just straight up won't start.
It refuses.
I think the starter went out.
Oh my God.
Oh yeah.
Things are great, man.
All right.
You know what?
I see the appeal behind third gens.
Absolutely.
But I'm telling you, mechanically, I don't know why, but they are meant to be shit boxes.
OK, OK.
So here's the thing, though.
Both of these trucks have over two hundred and fifty thousand miles on them.
Yeah.
Brother is stockhomed, apparently.
The black truck had the ever loving shit beat out of it before we got it.
And I beat the ever loving shit out of mine.
And then he beat the ever loving shit out of it in New Year's, too.
And now, you know, the black one beat the crap out of him.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah.
Beat the shit out of Alex.
He's like, I've seen what you did to my cousin.
Yeah, I need to.
I haven't decided if it's actually a starter problem or if the cable going down to the
starter has an issue.
But when you turn the key, nothing happens.
All the powers there.
Yeah, no, nothing.
Did you tap on the starter?
It's been cold.
You probably sunk the starter in one of those puddles and now it's just freezing up.
Oh, it's been cold.
I just let the truck sit there because it's too cold to work on.
Yeah, I know.
I was I was going to like, man, if only I had someone with a bae, but then their bae
is limited hours.
So it's like, it's like, does it even count?
Yeah, sucks.
Stupid winter hours.
And then I've also been working like 13 hours a day because my farmhand decided to break
a feed line.
So dramatic feed.
He just broke a feed line and decided not to come to work to that the next day.
You know, no big deal.
That's fair.
I think if I broke something, something crucial to operations, I'd be like, you know what?
Yeah, I'm out.
No, I'll in case he's listening, I'll give him some credit.
Him not coming to work this morning was not his fault completely.
Yeah, because he cut the brake lines on the guy's car and that's why he couldn't show
up.
He's a ditch.
Yeah, I took him out.
I was done.
It was not.
It was not his fault.
It was the issue.
I'm the reason.
No, I so while you you had a I guess you did some maintenance on your truck and now you
have another wheel bearing.
What about you, Mark?
Did you get any Christmas presents for your baby?
The silverback.
Silverback.
I was calling it silver side.
We didn't even talk about my $200 icon shocks.
Hey, oh, okay.
Yeah, I didn't know if you wanted to.
I thought I thought.
Yes.
I mean, it is because they're fifth gen shocks and I have to convert them, but it's like
100 bucks to convert them.
Yeah, so I got a I got six icon shocks, three coilovers and three shocks for $200.
Out of the six, there's one that leaks.
So I mean, that one will have to be rebuilt.
The other five seem fine.
One of them is brand new in box.
So there will be a icon shock install wrap up episode coming up soon.
Yeah.
You know, I'm such a glass half empty kind of guy that I just see the problems before
they start.
And all I can say to Alex and all the other listeners out there is like, I hope it works
so well for you.
But when I hear this stuff, I'm like, third gen issues.
Like I just hey, Shane doesn't have issues.
He doesn't beat the shit out of his third gen, man.
See, it's not a third gen problem.
It's a problem.
It's a user error.
Your gen shouldn't be beaten.
That's that's the that's if you want a third gen, you have to treat them right.
You have to you have to finesse them a little bit.
Get her chocolates, get her flowers, do oil changes every once in a while.
I mean, to be fair, I really didn't have any issues for a year and they all happened at
once.
Yeah.
As soon as I met him, like just shit started happening constantly.
Yeah.
Before I beat the shit out of it every weekend without a single problem.
So yeah.
You know what?
I wish I could believe him so much.
I really do.
But all I've seen, Mark, he's a paid he's paid actor.
It doesn't it doesn't count because he's been in botches beforehand.
He's a paid actor.
I just joined botches this year.
And from what I've seen, third gens have been nothing but problems.
They're gorgeous problems, though.
Yeah.
I mean, they're gorgeous problems.
They're beautiful vehicles.
I mean, it likes it goes places usually.
So does Subaru's.
That's like literally their motto.
It doesn't it doesn't get stuck that often.
It does get stuck, but not that often.
I'll give it that.
It does have a winch.
Oh, OK.
No, no, it does.
It goes a lot farther into places where I just take the bypass because to me, it's like
it's not about the it's not about the actual obstacle as much as it is making it out of
it.
So I'm like, hey, yeah, like, I'll take that obstacle before before it even goes.
I got hit with the poker run.
I won't go too far into it so we don't spoil.
I'll say that was quite this show.
Yes.
But I won't I won't spoil it too much.
But but I'll say this that we didn't have Nav from Alex, which we were hoping to have.
So Sienna and I did Nav and led the group.
And I tell you what, that meant that I was supposed to be the tester, the puddle tester,
the obstacle tester.
Was that your first time leading?
Something that difficult?
Yes.
Yeah, I mean, I've I've led multiple times, but you know, like I did the cryptid and stuff.
Yeah, I've led little trips multiple times, but nothing one, not an actual event like
that, and to something that had such difficult obstacles in it.
You know, like holes that were just fucking two foot deep.
I feel like you're just driving into a fucking lake.
I forgot we didn't take you through all that ever the first time.
No, we backed out.
Yeah, we backed out.
I was like, dude, what the fuck?
We could have done that for hours.
I was having such a good time with that.
And now looking back to how bad the water was this this last time we went, I couldn't
imagine the lakes that were there from the water.
I mean, the water was that bad.
That one part.
If you remember that one trail, I told you, I'm like, man, I don't know if we should go
down there.
Like there's a mud hole down there that is just fucking terrible.
And it wasn't nothing today.
But this trip.
Yeah, where I got stuck, I saw everyone drove through.
I guess we could have done that one.
But yeah, yeah, I know.
I've seen other people drive through it, too.
And I commented that on Mark.
I was like, man, we could have went through that.
No problem.
What the fuck?
So well, we learned we learned it.
And like I said, we won't spoil anymore from the poker run because we'll have a we'll have.
Well, I guess we can spoil it.
But but we won't.
Because we all got it.
Yeah.
But but we won't because this is still a 30 minute soda.
And and I guess now that we got past Alex's shock reveal, which is going to be really
good shocker, it's going to be really good.
Mark, we're going to move back to you again.
Did you get any Christmas presents for your baby silverback?
I call it a silver side.
But I know I think silverback is just going to be my nickname for.
Yeah, I do.
Maybe about silverback or raise it back for a while.
And I call it silver side, like submarine.
If you do.
Oh, dude.
OK, so do a delete on any of your four by four stuff on it and do Navy style lettering
on the side.
Like, what is it?
USS.
Yeah.
Four by four.
And then rivet that on that would look so cool.
No, painted on like the native.
Ain't it?
Yeah.
Then you have to have one of those those pinup girls on the back.
Hell, dude, I mean, that would look cool as fuck.
Oh, and in the front, you got to have that mean fucking what about torpedo fucking?
No, what is it?
No, no, he's not like that.
That's Air Force.
That's Air Force, buddy.
Yeah, I don't care.
I mean, I'm thinking that I just I'm thinking more.
I just thought it was cool.
I just think with all the where he is going with this and you can do a periscope.
Oh my God.
It could be a functional periscope so we can see up and above the trees.
Yeah, that's in front of me.
I can't see over this with a mesh tastic note on the top.
So if we need the distance, we just the periscopes just going to be like an antenna with a 360
camera that he can look at from the inside of his truck and go, OK, I can see what's
coming up in front of me.
I can see all the obstacles around me.
Oh, that would be funny.
But did you get anything for I mean, I guess you want to call it.
I got it.
Bicolor headlights.
Oh, yeah.
Yep.
Dude, those things are sick.
I I'm really excited for those.
Mark shared a link for me.
I want to switch to projectors someday and he shared what his do.
Man, that's pretty cool.
Yeah.
You can talk about what she's getting this week.
Yeah, I was hearing there.
I was getting there.
Yeah.
So instance of poker run, I will not disclose until then, but I have finally got around
to it.
I am putting on apex deflators onto my rims and tires.
Oh, are you doing the screw ons or are you going to have them put on what Alex has?
Same thing.
The real one.
I was I was looking I was looking at the screw on once and I'm like, you know, I could just
screw them on and take them off and it'd still be faster than doing the regular deflators.
And I'm like because we were looking at him while I was waiting for my Christmas upgrades.
So I was like, huh, interesting, interesting.
So that's very exciting, though.
Those deflators are deflators are really nice.
Maybe maybe we a new compressor soon.
Yeah.
That is in the works is definitely in the works.
Yeah, for the incident.
Because now my compressor is broken.
Oh, that too.
Again.
I so.
By the way, how are you going to get my truck over there?
I'm going to take the W11 and put the shop compressor in the bucket and I'm going to
air it up to 150 psi and then I'm going to drive the W11 with the shop bucket to your
truck and then I'm going to air up as many tires as I can and then plug it in again.
Where?
What's going on?
I have two of my wheels are constantly leaking.
They're flat.
They're like there's nothing holding air.
Oh, from the DB.
Right.
Oh, no, not just that.
Not just from that, but off-roading in general.
My tires have been went through hell this last week.
So he's got two tires that have dirt in the bead and are leaking air.
Yeah.
And it's at my house with two flat tires and the air compressor on the forerunner is broken.
When do you need it?
I don't need it yet, but it needs to get to the shop to get everything installed.
Oh, yeah.
I'm going to call Gavin and have him come by and air it up.
I was going to say I could legitimately do that, especially if it's this weekend because
I have this weekend off.
Well, I'm hoping to well know tomorrow when I can make an appointment, but I'm hoping
either Wednesday or Thursday.
Yeah.
The.
Yeah.
See, I mean, Mark, we were talking about this earlier about guy math because because you
were like, well, my tires are debeding a lot.
You know, I should probably get those fixed.
Well, while they're there, I should do these inflators at the same time.
Yeah, this guy math, you know, and then and then what else?
You got anything that you got the headlights, you got the fighters, maybe an air compressor
in the very near future.
Very near future.
I also really need to get to my rear brakes.
But.
Gosh, yeah, I know.
That's like you have front one.
So why do you need rear ones?
I get that.
I've been going this long without them.
Do I really need them?
I understand.
I did that with my two.
Your pedal goes to the floor and then your rear end keeps pushing the front end across
the.
Yeah, you need to do them.
I do.
Yeah, but the lights are really cool, though.
I do feel the need.
I lighting actually lighting is pretty important.
I will say that.
Oh, yeah.
I don't remember.
It's been bugging me for a while.
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that, but the other night, Alex, like, are
your headlights doing anything for brightness?
I'm like, you know what?
I think it's gotten dimmer.
Like ever since I bought this truck, it's just been worse and worse.
And one night like, all right, I need your headlights.
Does that look conclusion to your upgrades this year so far?
So far, yes.
We got stuff for talks.
Me and Alex have talked about something, but I don't want to put anything out there about
that one.
Oh, yeah.
You know what?
Keep that quiet.
When you put things out, it tends to jinx things.
I tell you.
Yeah, right.
So I will move on to mine because this will tie in a little bit.
But I mentioned lighting.
I added some lights.
Sienna was nice enough to get me one of the things that I asked for for Christmas.
And she got me a switch, like an off-brand aux beam switch panel.
And I got that installed, got some ditch lights that she got me installed.
And holy shit.
You don't realize how much ditch lights actually make your life better at night.
Like when you're out on the trail.
But holy shit.
It's like, oh my God, I could see everything around me now.
It's nice.
Dude, I'm scared to hear off real well.
Yeah.
I have a hard time just driving on normal roads without my ditch lights.
Oh, it's it's crazy.
And it's one of those things that before, you know, I didn't really notice.
But then when I turn them on, it's like, holy shit.
It's like, it's almost like someone taking the blinders off of your vision.
Yeah.
And then you're being able to see your peripheral.
If I drive someone's car that doesn't have ditch lights just on a normal road, I feel
like I can't see anything.
Yeah.
It made me it almost gives me it almost makes me nervous now to drive without.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
Have I don't know how I made it this far in life without them.
Yeah, no, it's it's really cool.
So I and I'm really, I'm really, really stoked about this panel because it's made wiring
lighting in so easy for so easy.
Like now I just need to run the wires straight to the panel now.
I don't have to run them back to a switch back to blah, blah, blah.
Just straight to the panel, pick a button and push it.
And that's it.
And it's so nice because I have a light bar that I've had just sitting in my room that
I just didn't feel like wiring up that I'm going to wire up soon.
I just bought some lights from Joe Gladiator Joe, if anybody's from MST is listening, just
bought the pod.
Gladiator on Instagram, yeah, 40 gladiator on Instagram, but Gladiator Joe during the
MST event, we bought them from him.
And so those are LED pods.
So I'll have those and the LED light bar that I'm going to hook up here soon once I find
a warm time or spot to do it.
What pods did you buy from him?
What brand are they?
Ah, they're I think the last fit pro.
That's what I thought.
Yeah.
I'm not up to everything, but you know, Joe's good for it.
I didn't really need to.
Oh yeah.
He wouldn't sell you junk.
Right.
So which I've learned again here soon.
I'll talk about but so I yeah, so I got the aux beam like their triangle pods for ditch
lights and those work pretty well.
And it'll be really nice because now I can flash people when they flash me and we see
the sun this time.
So I've been doing a couple of times like you really don't want to your brights off.
Don't fuck with me.
Do that.
I do it to people when because I'll you know, just driving.
They always think my lights are bright.
So I get flashed all the time.
Yeah.
So I I started whenever someone does that, they then turn their brights on.
I turn my light bar on.
Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying.
I want to be able to just put it on.
Yep.
You want to see the sun?
Fine.
So yeah, but you know, my headlights are something that I'm trying to upgrade soon.
I talked with Mark and Alex about this a little bit and I'm probably going to move to projectors
and we found a pretty cheap kit on Amazon that's doable that if my wife loves me enough
that she'll let me get and and we'll make that move.
Yeah, then then my other Christmas gift, which I guess she turned into a birthday gift instead
was after our poker run, my my one driver's side tire after I took the picture of it leaking
and send it to the guys, I actually saw that there were actual rocks and mud in between
the bead and the rim and I could see them in there.
I couldn't dig them out.
So I like I was like, yeah, I'm going to have to get them replaced anyway.
And I was talking about that.
Then talking about maybe getting new tires at some point.
And then of course, gladiator Joe comes in with like, hey, man, I got a deal that you
just can't refuse.
And then he he lets me know he's got like five brand new 285 70 17s Falcon Wild Beaks
for sale.
And he'll take like, I think he likes 800 for him.
And I'm like, fuck, I'll go and look up the price of them.
And they're like $300 a piece.
And for five of them, it's almost like $1,600.
And I'm like, I'd be stupid not to screen shot it all of it, send it to Sienna.
And I start like really breaking down the math of it for I'm like, it's only gonna be
like this much for this and this much for that.
And if I if I have to have the shop take my tires off anyway, I might as well have them
switch over and you know, you would make sense.
Only one thing.
This is exactly why it ties into the guy math thing that we're me and my mark we're talking
about.
Yeah, cuz I was like, well, they only have to take one off.
But if I'm gonna take one off, I should take them all off.
And so so after that conversation with him, and I'm like, man, it's just too good of a
deal.
And Sienna's like, Well, you know, it would be a birthday present.
I was like, you know what?
I'll get you know, I've been wanting to move up to 285.
For a long time, and I keep talking about it and not doing nothing.
And this is just such a good deal.
Yeah, such a good deal.
And so I went up and and he worked with me to try to get them I have to bring him the
actual wheel back.
Because he gave he gave me all of them even the one with the wheel on it.
Because I had to I had to get it all done by Saturday.
So I left was like Saturday morning, picked all the tires up from Cooper's Hudsonville.
And then ran all the way straight to never enough.
And then straight to never enough.
In Sienna's car.
And while we switch cars, I drove the FJ she drove the car.
And we backed up to never enough dropped the tires out.
Then we had to switch it.
And oh, okay.
Well, there's a there's mud on your tires.
Can you take it to the car wash across the street and wash them out?
I'm like, I thought I fucking already did.
So I do it to try to do it again.
And then apparently I didn't get all of it.
I'm like, you know what, I'm not laying on the fucking ground.
Like just scrape it out.
Charge me the extra or whatever.
So they scraped it out.
And then they're like, Oh, well, you know, by the way, your spare tire, fucking my spare
tire, the new tires are so big that they were hitting my bumper.
Because if when mounted just normally, so they had to find a spacer and they found like
a Chevy spacer that fit.
They're like, well, it's like $40 for the spacer.
And I look at Sam, I'm like, well, we're already in the hole.
And I'm like, they're like, or we could put it back in your car.
And I'm like, well, I mean, what the fuck if I if I don't do this now, like I'm going
to wait, wait, wait, and then I won't have a spare tire.
So I'm like, just just do it now.
And so they put this Chevy spacer on there.
Then they're like, well, one of your threads is fucked up in the back.
And I'm like, well, you know what?
I'm like, I don't fucking know.
Like at this point, like it's getting to 12 and I got to go to work soon.
And I'm like, I don't know.
I'm just like, just fix it.
And so it ended up being a little bit more than we thought.
But we got all wheels on the spacers on the back and I got my other wheel on.
They're like, hey, you know, you might not want to do this long term.
And I'm already like, like it's all three hundred dollars for the fucking for the kit
to relocate it.
So I'm like, yeah, it's going to be there for a little bit.
So low on my list.
So so yeah, I mean, what's the worst that the spacer would do?
Bend your door?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I could definitely hear it.
I could hear the back door area.
Just rare when I hit bumps now.
Oh, God.
Yeah, I could hear that a little bit.
Yeah.
Just you welded.
I just I will say that the wild peaks are really, really good looking on there.
Oh, yeah.
They look a lot more aggressive.
The first I took it to a trail that night.
And as I was telling Mark earlier, they ride so much harder than I was expecting.
You know, they're down.
No, not at first.
I didn't.
At first I didn't and I was like, fuck, these things are hard.
Like I'm feeling this.
And you know, they're a different load range, too.
So they're a little harder to puncture, I guess.
But are they low rangey?
The one up I forget whatever the I think they are anyway, that are they're just really thick.
They're just that or they're just more of a thicker tire than what I'm used to as far
as my alterings ago.
And so at first I was like, man, these are really hard.
I tried doing an obstacle.
If you're heading to Prairie and you take that low, why like if the and it goes down
that hill to where the there's like a little trail.
You remember when I took you guys up there and I climbed up that little fucking hill
and up and down?
Yeah.
And while I tried doing that one and I walked up that last time and I tried doing it again
and just dug fucking ruts like like it was just struggling and let's get up there.
And I'm like, what the fuck?
So I kind of got irritated about that.
I'm like, man, what these fucking tires suck.
I just dug holes because they're so meaty.
And so I backed up, put it back at low and then crawled through it, aired down.
And when I aired down, I aired down to like 20 psi.
And then I'm like, ah, that's better.
And yeah, I because I run load range ease and I drive around on 40 psi.
But if I go on a trail at 40 psi, one, I'm going to get the shit beat out of me.
And two, it does not do very well.
It just digs holes.
Yeah.
OK, so maybe that's what it was.
And so so now I'm like, fuck, maybe I should just drive on 20 psi all the time and or 20.
I think it was like 20 for 23, something like that.
And it's not I mean, so I'm just driving around there and everything is better.
My ride was better, smoother.
I get on the road, my ride's better, smoother on the road.
And I'm like, damn.
But also you get when you air down, you get that little bit of shift when you drive where
your tires aren't completely aired up.
You can feel a shift when you're steering and stuff.
And I still feel the shift.
And that bothered me.
So I don't think that I would run them below 30, like 33, 34.
That's what they're set at.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's where I would keep them on the road.
That's what that's what my psi was set at from never never enough.
So yeah, when I when I went to check there, I like 34, 35 when they were full.
And then when I heard him down, I just heard him at 20.
I'd be interested to see how low I could go with those.
But I could tell you, like, comparatively to my old ones, the going down even 20 was
a major difference, like you could barely tell.
And that's why I think I went up a load range from the old ones, because you remember I
was I talked to you, I think about it.
When you're aired down, it doesn't even look like you're aired down.
And when I aired down, it was like, fucking like, yep, that's overflowing.
RNG over yeah, overflowing fucking muffin over the top is what it looked like to me.
Like, it's like, and now I think I'm I'm there too.
So yeah, because mine you Yeah, when I air down, if I'm on semi level ground, you can't
tell.
Yeah, yeah, it was a little harder to tell if even with 20.
But I would go about 10 on sand and then like 15 on just regular obstacles.
Like just like poker run type stuff.
And so I'm interested to bring it down to like 14 or 15 and see what they do.
Yeah, because I usually on trails, usually I'm about 15.
Yeah.
I'll go down to 10 if it's a really sandy trail like Croton to White Cloud, I will sit
around 10 for that trail.
Anything anything around the Croton area that whole little section there always 10 because
it's so sandy.
Yeah, just because you don't want to dig or what?
Well, one at 10, I have like, no, I basically absorb all the bumps.
So I don't really notice them.
And then also, it doesn't dig as much.
Okay.
I was just wondering as far as because now mine are a little bit closer to what yours
are treadwise tread depth wise.
Yeah.
That's why I was curious.
You're probably you're not quite as deep as mine.
You're quite okay.
You're not as deep as mine.
But maybe like, maybe like half as deep.
Wait, maybe this is meant for grabbing mud.
So is mine?
Yeah, those mud trains are really deep.
No, I mine are pretty deep for what I'm used to.
But I don't know, man, they look good.
They seem to handle really well so far on stone stuff.
So I'm excited to try them out.
I'd like to go out this weekend, but we'll see.
I don't know where to go anymore.
I think I'm done wheeling for a little while.
I got to get some maintenance stuff.
I was going to ask if you want to do, I think it was Joe and Derek's birthday run at Rocksome
Valley's again.
Yeah, I can't.
Oh, I also found a new frame hole.
So that's got to happen in the next couple of weeks.
I forgot about that.
So I was joking around with MST earlier and they're like, you're definitely part of the
botches crew, I'm like, ah, like 60, 40 or 40.
I'm like, I'm 50, 50 in and out.
And they're like, look, no, you're definitely in there.
And I was like, well, you can't just lump me into those guys because I do a podcast with
them and I live close proximity.
They're like, no, that's exactly why we could.
But I only say that because I wheel with you guys probably 30% of the time I wheel.
And that's because there's either like we're all working or schedules don't align or there's
someone with a break.
Yeah.
Like a third gen.
I went so long with ignoring breaks that now that they're popping up, it's like, fuck man,
it's broken.
Yeah.
Why did I ignore us?
So while I am an active botches member, I am also probably I almost equally active MST.
I think if they were to start a podcast, I would love to cohost a podcast.
So the thing is the MST isn't a club or anything like we're a club.
We're sure we're an actual actual group.
Yeah.
So the way we look at it, MST is a place for individuals and groups to get together to
make trips.
Yeah.
But they're not a group.
Are they an awesome tool for the community?
Yes.
100%.
See, I kind of see them as a, as almost a group at this point because I don't see it.
Yeah.
I mean, I see them.
I would say for me, the way that I treat them and look at them as a group, I would say this
is a club because it has a certain amount of members because we do what we do because
we, you know, come and hang out, do this stuff.
But like the general MST chat that you know, the one that you're in.
Yeah.
I would say it's more like a fan club.
And then there's a core MST.
There's a core MST group that does a lot more stuff.
Just them, that little group, I would consider a club.
Yep.
They have their own separate chat and everything.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know that I would say that that feels like a fan club, but it's weird, but it, cause
they're really not a club.
Like, well, I don't think they're a club.
I think they're a group.
Okay.
Yeah.
So like, like, you're a club.
No, like, like they have like the Jeep, like the Jeep clubs and stuff like that.
They have their own little, or like motorcycle clubs, you know, with their own little patch
and stuff.
That's how I think of botches.
It's a club.
I don't think of it as a group that we like, I don't think of it as a group that we lead,
like other groups or we do like massive trail rides or we do, you know, any of the other
stuff that MST does.
Wow.
I really do, but not very often, not this year because of, well, yeah, I was going to
say because of that stuff that I mentioned previously, but also mostly the biggest thing
time, but yeah, cause we, last year we were the only other than Derek and you know, the
core members, we were the only people doing rides that, you know, we're the only one leading
rides and stuff.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
That's like for me, I see a handful.
I can think of actually main events or was leading.
Yeah.
Well, to me it's like, I think if as much as I was active in it, like I would see myself
as like, I would say some kind of percentage in and out of that.
And I would love for that to become something else too.
I think, I think MST has a lot of potential that has yet to earn or to hit, you know,
I think MST would be a cool podcast place too.
And it's come, it would be the same, but different.
It's almost like hitting it's like, it's like Walmart and Meyers, like they hit a different
target that, you know, they, they would be able to talk a lot more user friendly overlanding,
I think more than it was the more targeted off-roading.
I don't think they ever would get to that point because of who, sorry, Derek, who the
leader is.
If you pay attention to like, you know, they kind of do their live stream thing and that's
more of the style that Derek would end up with all the time of just, I think they just
chaos.
I, yeah.
I think they just need someone who would be like, Hey, I'll pilot this.
I'll, I mean, I tried.
Right.
But I think that's what they need is like, one, like an admin or something to go, you
know, I, I'm going to start doing this.
Let me know if you guys want to come in and just do it like once a week or, you know,
I think, uh, Jeep, Derek, he made the comment.
They're not as big of fans as the podcast style because they like the, they're big things,
the community involvement or the community, you know, can talk back as they're doing it,
which there's a way to do that podcasting.
And I've tried to explain that, but yeah.
And it's, you want to do it easy and stuff.
I get, like, I get it from their point of view too.
I think just podcasting.
Yeah.
And I think that podcasting has a way to get out there and then, you know, they send in
questions and then you read them on the next podcast and it's, it's just fuel for the next
fire.
Well, yeah.
Live streaming is cool too.
Because the cool thing with like a podcasting 2.0 is we have the ability to just put a live
podcast out and it'll show up right in the podcast app.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And so, I mean, like, I feel like there's room to grow there, especially with like the
group, the events that they put on.
Like I would say that the poker run event was super cool and it could definitely have
some improvements, but for the first annual one, it was like, this is really cool.
I've never done anything like this.
And I feel like the poker run was a step up on their event content, if that makes sense,
because before, you know, they lead group rides, which are fine, but this was the first
time that I feel like Derek reached out and did something different and I really enjoyed
it.
Yeah.
I think, I think MST appeals to, I think almost a different group than what I think the botches
originally would, you know what I mean?
I think MST is, and I don't mean this in a weird or bad way or anything, but it's more
of a, a beginner's group as far as, you know, doing the overlanding, camping and trails,
whereas botches has a little bit more specifically into the off-roading and the challenge aspect
to it.
Is that safe to say?
And we're picky.
Yeah.
We're not just going to accept anyone.
I know that too.
Well, right.
But that, I think that's one of the reasons why I'm kind of half and half is because I
do like a little bit of what we do for the botches, you know, as far as the trails and
stuff obviously.
Yeah.
But I'm very much interested and would love to do something with the newbie overland and
just the general large population of like the overlaying community.
And I just think it would be really cool as far as, you know, just engaging with different
gear talks and different types of tours and stuff like that, that they do.
It would have been, it'd be cool content.
I think it could very easily be cool content.
I, like I said, I tried to get the Derrick's cause it's cheap Derrick and, uh, Lexus Derrick,
but I tried talking to them about it a little bit.
Cause I think that a podcast makes a lot of sense for them.
Yeah.
Um, I just, I think that their personalities don't really fall into the, want to sit here
and talk about shit for an hour without being interrupted.
Right.
Yeah.
I suppose.
I, uh, I think that there, I think there's definitely something there for it, but I just,
like I said, I think they need to have the right push for it and to actually, and to
actually want to do it more than just a hobby too, cause at that point, at that point you're
doing it for more than just a hobby.
Yeah.
Speaking of other things that are changing, I talked to Cindy Pope last night about possibly
putting Northology on RSS so that it just auto downloads rather than having to download
it from your email.
You should have Cindy Pope talk to us about having Northology on the podcast as far as,
um, a sponsor.
You know, I, maybe we got another one of those little sponsor things that we're kind of working
out.
Um, wouldn't that be so cool to have Northology as on there?
That would be really cool.
That would be really cool is if the listeners would just boost in so we don't have to look
for sponsors.
So we don't become, we don't have like four minutes of commercials.
Honestly, I would, I would really enjoy actually going into one of Cindy Pope's, um, articles
and just reading an article from one of her overlanding, um, like specifically in overlanding.
Oh, that would actually be a really cool, like commercial per se is not so much a commercial,
but just every episode have a segment where we read something or not every episode, right?
Like once a month we read one of the articles from that month's magazine.
Oh yeah.
Anyone listening, anyone listening, look up Northology.
Cindy Pope does some amazing things.
I know we've had her on here before, but her, her online magazine is the bee's knees.
I read it every month after downloading it and putting it on my e-reader cause I'm a
weirdo.
But yeah, I think, I think adding that on there and then I think doing just like a,
you know, if she has a section on overlanding the Q and offer an instance, we read the section
out loud and then we talk about it that specifically about overlanding.
Last month.
Yeah, this last month she had an article about like the top five adventure destinations in
the Midwest.
That was a really fun read.
Yeah.
So the stuff like that we could do.
And I think that would be really interesting that add some, add some spark to our podcast
a little bit.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Give someone a little bit something else and maybe I also listen.
I want to start doing at the end of every episode, which we'll start this.
Okay.
You'll have already heard one.
Yeah.
We'll start it on the episode that comes out before this one.
I want to start doing the radio chatter cards.
I think that would be really cool.
Yeah I need to do that.
I don't even know what these are.
So radio chatter.
Oh yes I do.
Yeah, it's a game where you, you know, it's a conversation style game where I read a card
and then you answer the card.
Yeah.
I think that would be a really fun one to do like radio chatter Monday or radio chatter
Sunday or, you know, like.
Maybe we do one, like a 30 minute radio chatter every other week or so.
I think just having one card at the end of every episode would work really well.
We have the extended deck for the NSFW stuff too.
So that's fun.
Okay.
We could do, we could do like a radio chatter for one hours.
Yeah.
I just, yeah.
Not for these half hour ones.
Definitely not.
But like the one hour.
This is much longer.
Conversations going so well, we may as well go for an hour.
Cool.
You're getting extra content on Sunday.
But yeah, I, I really think that radio chatter, you know, it's a tool that's there for us
and it's a really fun tool.
So that'd be another person to talk to about sponsors, I guess.
Chatter radios.
Radio chatter.
Yeah.
That one.
Yeah.
Sounds like my son's being a beluga whale in the background.
I hope you heard that.
So I'll hear that.
Sorry for the cough.
No.
Uh, you know, my son, which brings back, I have to talk about this for a second.
He's done so well with this over landing off road stuff.
It's been great.
He's been basically, and this sounds really bad, but he's been basically raised in the
car seat while we've been doing this.
And that sounds horrible, but, um, it's not as bad as it sounds.
He's, he's while we're on the trails and we're taking real slow trails that are very safe,
everybody.
So just cut the bull crap.
No, you don't do it.
Uh, DNR he's saying a hypothetical.
No, I am the same.
My, my, my kid has a ball.
He's unstrapped.
He's, he's just hanging around in the car.
Like we just pretend like it's the seventies and he just crawls all over the place.
No, no, he actually, yeah.
And this, this last time, this was the first time and ever that he stayed in his seat the
entire time just to watch.
And this was the coolest watching him because we'd get out.
Like when we got stuck, we were, he's out, he's out watching us.
He's just leaning over the side of the seat.
Like,
Did Sienna get a picture of that?
Yeah.
Okay.
Good.
I, you should send that to me.
So when I do chapter, I, or maybe I'll even use that for the episode.
Well, she got, she got the picture of him up in the front seat while I was out grabbing
her radio.
Oh no, he was grabbing the radio.
He was trying to talk to you guys.
And so he, he just, he's done so well.
He did so well.
He slept for a good part of it.
And then when he did get up, he was just all about it.
I tell you what, man, there's, it's a, it's a great feeling to see it.
Um, and then, you know, the other day he, he actually got into his car seat in the house,
got into it, stood in it and did the sign for more.
Like you wanted to go on more rides.
Like, like, like if you didn't look at him and you didn't know what he was about, you'd
be like, what are you talking about?
But the fact that he got in his car seat, which we only put them at if we go on rides
and went more, I was like, dude, you want to go on board trails?
I'm like, yeah, I can't tell you, no.
And, uh, so I was, that's, it's just really cool.
It's really cool seeing them grow up there.
And I don't think I've ever seen that kid unhappy on a ride.
So no, no, no.
You know, he has his moments, obviously every kid does, but he's just been, he's just been
such a joy to watch grow up this year.
And, uh, you know, I have, we, we have like a fireplace in our living room and it's been
so cold these past couple, you know, days where we've actually took the cover off it
that we have there, uh, to keep him out because we were kind of scared of him going in it.
And he, he sees the fire now.
It's like he's at camp and he just stays away.
He just doesn't do anything with it.
Like he's seen, he's seen fire so much because of all of our camping this year that it does
nothing for him anymore.
He doesn't try to get into it.
He doesn't try to fuck with anything in there.
Like it's like, he's just like, Oh yeah, there's a fire.
And like walks away and I'm like, I looked at seeing it.
I'm like, Oh, what did we create?
This is so cool.
Like our kid doesn't want to jump into the fire pit.
Like what are we doing?
This is awesome.
Like, so it's been really cool.
Yeah, I just kind of been thinking back about it since we started the new year.
And I guess I get my 30th birthday tomorrow and it's like, man, where have I, where's
all the time gone?
So that's, it's crazy.
I had to, I had to talk about that though, man.
Yeah.
Dirty 30 old fucking man.
I really feel like it though, man.
I'm like definitely been looking back at my life a little bit lately.
And I've been like, I can give my shit together.
Not, not, not the conventional way.
Like everybody else might think, but like, like, dude, if I really want to do this wheel
and shit and I, and I want to do what I enjoy doing so much, then I really need to find
a job that helps me do it more.
You know what I mean?
And not, and not restricts it.
So if anybody that listens to me that works with me is listening, don't tell, but I've
been looking for other options.
You always keep your eyes open.
Just I've been looking a little harder lately because, because my job prior had weekends
off which made it very possible.
It'll just take a hundred dollars and go on a ride and camp for a couple of days and come
back.
I mean, I, I recently had an interview with a certain, I'm not going to say the name
cause I don't want to jinx it, but a certain mesh radio company that exists in the world
are looking for a new sales guy.
And I interviewed for it.
That would be really cool because you definitely got to do it.
Wouldn't it be cool?
Yeah.
You're definitely the guy that would be do it.
You'd also get drafted right as you got the job and be like, God damn it.
I'm past that point.
They can't just draft me out of the blue anymore.
I've done my time.
10 years, man.
I did 10 years of that crap.
Yeah.
They're like, Ooh, you're like just so much.
We're going to have you come back and do a reunion tour.
I mean, honestly, if they brought me back and brought back all my equipment that they
have since replaced, I would be down cause I miss using it.
Yeah.
No, I, you know, it's just, you know, my wife's been complaining about her job too and how
much she hates retail.
I hate retail, man.
It's I think I firmly believe that retail at the store level is not to be done your
whole life.
Like it's not a life.
It's not a life job.
And it's so easy for me to get burnt out now.
But you get to see me like once a week at least barely missed me the other day.
Yeah.
I was there the other day and you were there, but I couldn't find you.
It's probably crying in the bathroom.
I don't miss working retail.
No I, you know, I, I told my wife, I'm like, you know what?
I just want to work like it or something, something in an office.
I don't care that I don't work blue collar.
You know what I mean?
Like I feel like after you get to a certain age, that whole blue collar pride thing goes
out the shitter because you start getting old and you're like once you work blue collar.
Yeah.
And then I want you are me.
Right.
But like once you work like a white collar job and then you're like, Ooh, it's like,
it's like getting into Alexis after you, you've been driving a third gen for so long.
And then being like, wow, I can have air conditioning.
Wow.
My shit doesn't break every time I do it.
I worked a white collar job where I sat in an office all day every day for almost two
years and I am so glad that I get to run a farm now.
See that's for me.
It's like I did a bunch of blue collar stuff because blue collar was like all entry level.
It just treats you like dog shit and work the bone and like, and that was fine because
I did it like, and it would, it required zero experience, but then I'm getting older and
I'm kind of realizing like, Hey, you know, working my ass off and making, you know, less
money than some of these other jobs where you could be sitting down or, or doing something
less like, like, I hate to sound like a lazy fuck, but at the same time, it's like, I'm
all about, if I have to go to work in the first place, why the fuck am I pushing myself
so damn far to like overwork myself for less money than I was making while I was sitting
in a chair and when I was typing in beta, when I was in white collar jobs, the reason
I like farming so much better is the white collar job is all fucking politics.
You have to do extra to keep your job.
You have, I mean, it's, it was terrible.
Yeah.
I could see being in the, in certain white collar jobs that being like, like for, in
like insurance salesmen or something as a salesman having that constant competition.
But like where I, what I was doing at the time, which was like an analytical like lab
tech.
Yeah.
That was so nice.
I could clock in, I put my headphones on, I do all the lab stuff.
You know, a lot of it's just like, Hey, we need you to test 300 of these samples.
Okay.
Everybody leaves me alone.
I put my headphones in a test, 300 samples, put them in a spreadsheet and leave, and then
come back to the next stage, do it again.
And it's like, I love that.
I did inventory control and honestly, I love the job.
I just hated the, uh, the, how do I put this?
The atmosphere of the job, like the people I worked with were hot fucking garbage, dude.
Yeah.
And we had this one woman who I not a hundred percent sure she was a woman, but you know,
whatever, she was a woman and she would just get in my face and scream at me.
And it finally got to a point where I snapped on her.
Yeah.
I don't know that I could ever do something where they're actually doing that.
That kind of shit.
Fuck no.
Yeah.
See, yeah.
My white color, my white color job was nothing like that.
It was like, Oh my God, thank you.
So glad to see you.
Like, what are you doing today?
I'm like, this is what I'm doing today.
And then like, Oh my God, this is great.
Thanks.
That was it.
And mine was like a war.
And that's, and I think that's the difference is you just have to find the right one.
And I'm not convinced, but if I want to start, I don't know how investing in my future a
little bit more as far as like what I want to do for the rest of my life.
I feel like it would be like a really good middle ground if I could do some kind of,
um, eventually get good enough to do like a remote it position.
I can help you get certified for that.
I have lots of those kinds of certs.
Yeah.
I mean, cause, cause at that point being able to do remote it work for other companies or
anything like that, that would be really fricking nice that you could do something like that
from the road.
Yeah.
You know, I'm thinking of it like long-term from, Hey, what can I, what jobs can I do
that I could do anywhere?
Right.
It's kind of where I'm at.
Cause I, because how I want to do it is I want to leave.
I don't want to find, we just need the podcast to blow up so that we just have to do a podcast
twice a week and that's it.
I do one four times a week.
If that's what it took.
I would do one every single, every fucking day.
If all I had to do was sit down and talk to you fucked for an hour every day.
And that's been an hour.
All we had to do is bullshit seven days a week.
We do that already.
We just type it off into our chat.
Fuck it.
I'll bring it to life.
No, we should, we should never release the bunches chat to the public.
No, no.
I, after, after we get caught and, uh, and the feds fuck us, the DNR fucks us or something.
Maybe they'll release some conversations earlier.
That is why that's why the botches chat is on an undisclosed platform that hasn't, it's
very locked down.
Yo, by the way, this is completely, um, off topic, but, uh, have you seen that Sean Ryan
podcast with a green beret in reference to the, uh, the Tesla bomber who was also a green
beret?
No, but you should send that to me.
Cause I will definitely throw it on my zoom and listen to it.
Oh my God.
First of all, Sean Ryan and the, I forget who she is.
The blonde CSI or CSI, the, um, um, CIA operative or whatever.
Intelligent operative.
But the information that she has, oh my God, is fucking like eye opening crazy.
And then this guy kind of the fact that she, what she knows.
Yeah.
And, but then when, so apparently this guy on Sean comes onto Sean Ryan and the green
beret that did this Tesla bombing thing, yeah.
Worked a sent this email to him on a, on proton.
Yeah.
You've heard of that, right?
Oh, I know exactly what proton is.
Yeah.
Which is what I have too.
That's what my main email and, uh, send it to him on proton saying that there is a whole
different story to what's actually going on there that he is actually working on some
top secret, like, um, propulsion system stuff for the U S government and that, um, China
has some kind of grip, gruv, vitic propulsion system that they've been working on, which
is what we're seeing.
And they're launching them out of subs in the Atlantic ocean.
And that's what we've been seeing lately and that the U S and China, like, um, both have
grivetic systems that are, uh, so like, there's this long thing about that going on and like
some work rhymes stuff that we're going into this letter.
Um, he then tries to, you know, at the beginning of it, he identifies himself by, you know,
like what his first car was.
So like, there's this huge that, like, that just blew up overnight because it was basically
him saying that, Hey, he's being tailed by the FBI.
He's being tailed by this.
And he has these ID, you know, the, the vehicle borne explosives in his car, um, for a reason
trying to, uh, trying to bring awareness to this stuff, but also to keep deterring from
these FBI agents that are trying to fuck with them.
So there's like, there's this whole fucking letter.
And then they talk about how this guy was, you know, a good green beret and stuff.
He never had any really issues.
So all this dropped here like last week and then like two days ago, which after this dropped,
it was an emergency podcast.
After this dropped, Sean Ryan went radio silent, said he's going to be dropping out for a little
while.
And then all of a sudden that same guy that did this interview a couple of days later,
everyone's gone.
He's, he does another interview with someone else and he's like, you know, it could be
that he went off his meds or something.
And he starts talking, he like switches up completely.
Okay.
So like, to be honest though, I have a very dear friend who may or may not listen to this.
And when he goes off his meds, dude, the shit that comes out of that dude's mouth, it's
off the, off the wall.
So, so this is where I'm at is like, so do we believe that maybe, so there are some other
people that were saying like, Hey, there's no way this guy would have this kind of training
or clearance to work on anything like this.
Hey, gravitic, uh, propulsion systems are bullshit, blah, blah, blah.
So do we believe that, uh, or do we believe that maybe he went off his meds or do we believe
that this other guy was influenced so badly by some other, you know, um, some other ghost
forces out there that, that he was almost forced to switch up his, his, his, uh, his thinking
on it to try to backpedal people.
I don't know that there's a silent, silent war going on between us and China.
Um, I wouldn't be surprised per se, but I do think that there's a lot of validity to
the past ability that he went off his meds.
I think, I think that too.
I, but I, I think that it's, it's almost a, it's almost a split chance.
You know what I mean?
Because, because I think that, and I think a lot of people agree with this, this stance
is what we've seen that the government has compared to what they haven't shown us as
hundreds, probably years, uh, you know, from what we, they actually have, you know what
I mean?
I mean, you know, I had a top secret clearance up until like a year ago, cause it expired.
Um, I would say that in my experience and with what I've done, I would say the government
has 10 to 12 years above where we're at, technolod technology wise.
So so with that knowledge, like gravitic propulsion systems to me is believable.
It's like, it's like, it's not like they were trying to, they were fucking with that shit
in world war two.
Um, I believe Germany was trying to figure out how to, how to, I don't think that it's
implausible at all.
Um, I just don't think that we're in a silent war with China.
I think we've been in a silent war, but not in the way that people are typically used
to wars.
I think within, within tariffs within, so he also ties in that balloon issue with China
that happened last year, whatever.
He ties that in with the same surveillance network that these gravitic propulsion systems
are also trying to that are also doing.
So so that balloon is tied to the same surveillance network that China is putting out with these
propulsion systems, which because they're manipulating gravity, they have almost an
unlimited payload, which is an end all for the U S as far as if anyone was to actually
use them.
I mean, I want to die in space when I'm 80 years old.
So I have faith that this is what's happening.
Um, because again, how else am I going to get to space when I'm 80 years old?
I don't know, man.
Ashes.
No, no.
I have to be 80.
He needs to be alive.
He wants to go to my head.
Like I want to be staring at Earth from orbit when I pulled the trigger.
I was going to say, man, if you die sooner than that, I will have you cremated and we'll
put you in a weather balloon after our friend Cody eats my finger because that is our our
deal.
Okay.
That needs to be that needs to be talked about as far as this prior to, uh, uh, to, to death
or cremation.
Yeah.
It has to be prior to cremation because he can't do like the cinnamon challenge and just
assume it's part of your finger.
Yeah.
No, he has to just take his food, pull your ashes.
Oh, sorry.
He's here fast enough.
He has to grill it on a grill and eat it like a rib.
I feel like it would still be good though.
Like I'd try by if, if you, I mean, I already know our, all of our answers to this, but
if you were to, someone was to give you guilt free cannibalistic, uh, made a human food
that was grilled fully cooked.
It's fully safe to eat.
It's guilt free.
The person died and donated it.
Would you eat it?
So down a heartbeat in a hundred percent.
It depends.
What did they die of?
Mark, what about you?
I have no, I have no answers for this one right now.
He's like, you guys, what the fuck?
I, um, uh, how about this?
It was in the 1920s.
It was a girl who worked at a paint factory, painting dials.
Nope.
I'm good.
Watches.
I am good to go.
I do not need that quick death.
Yeah.
So man, I, it's again that fucking ADHD and I, I had to inform our today's youth of the
radium girls and how sad is that that you have to inform people about that?
Dude, how sad is it that you have to inform people about 9 11?
Oh yeah.
I mean, well it's like 35, 40 year old and then some teenagers.
They're like, radio girls.
What are you talking about?
I'm like, are you kidding me?
What have you worse?
Uh, like this is like one of the worst in all us history.
That is widely known, like biz, like I have a radium watch.
That's very special.
But it's just like the business completely extorted these women and what's one of the
worst examples of businesses doing that ever recorded and the fact that they got away.
Yeah.
They, they made a law like what in the forties, like, Hey, if it's dangerous in the work environment
that you have to pay for all of a sudden these businesses stopped.
But fuck radium in the twenties, they were like, Hey, take this for your kid.
It'll make your kids stopped kicking your belly.
Well yeah.
The, the radium girls, I don't look at it so much.
I mean, yeah, don't get me wrong.
They were extorted cause they didn't get a very livable wage.
But you know, at the time radium wasn't looked at as a dangerous substance.
I say that because when it was found out, not only did the company have examples of
that already and chose to ignore them.
They had, they had plenty of stuff done and plenty of instances where this stuff was happening
that they covered it up and they chose to ignore it because they were making boo-boo
bucks on this.
So I mean, at the beginning, I don't think it was like, I don't think they went out to
extort.
I think they ended up extorting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean with all things, even like lead, lead pipes.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, with all things you do it in, like you're honestly trying to make it better,
but you know, lead in pipes and asbestos in our walls and stuff like that.
You always think, you know, everything until, you know, 40 years later and all of a sudden
smoking is fucking killing you.
Like, well on that note, now that the world is ending and Gavin has told us how it will
end, that's all from us here at Botches.
Thanks for joining the last 15 minutes of conspiracy podcast with the Botches Offroad
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