1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:18,520 Welcome to Botch's Off-Road. 2 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,380 Join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, tent camping to 3 00:00:22,380 --> 00:00:26,140 rock landing, and all things to do with the outdoors. 4 00:00:26,140 --> 00:00:32,160 Today we got our full group here. We got Alex, Mark, and I. And I think today is just going 5 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:38,680 to be a little chat. I think we could talk a little about our last weekend. What are 6 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,680 you guys saying? 7 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:46,120 Yeah, I'm thinking we talked about how I lost a mirror again and I'm not allowed to have 8 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,120 them anymore. 9 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:56,120 Yeah, so last weekend we decided to go and do a little trail ride, I guess. We took a 10 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,120 ride, went out what, Saturday? 11 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,120 Yep. 12 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:08,120 Left at about 11 something. It was Mark, Alex, me, and Duncan, which is another group 13 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:18,160 member of Botch's. And we started off over by Prairie, which is closer area to where 14 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:24,560 I'm at. At least that's what we call it as Prairie. And kind of went around there and 15 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,560 looked for some new trails, found some cool little hills to go up and down. And then we 16 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:35,120 went back over to White Cloud and went and did Skitter Hill. 17 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,560 That was dumb. You guys shouldn't have let me do that. 18 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:46,200 Alex did Skitter Hill. And we didn't think we were actually going to do Skitter's Hill, 19 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,040 but Alex said he wanted to. 20 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:53,360 Last minute. Hey guys, I'm going to do something dumb. 21 00:01:53,360 --> 00:02:02,680 Forward. Yeah. And then, so we did the bypass and they gutted out the bypass to be pretty 22 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:10,040 much any Subaru cross truck could get up that. And then, which, you know, before it was a 23 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:15,200 lot worse to where something like that might have struggled a little, but. 24 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,640 I bet you could take a GMC Terrain up it now. 25 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:23,320 Yeah, you could definitely take a GMC Terrain up there. You could take a 2020 Toyota Sienna 26 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:34,320 up there. But they did end up, you know, DNR doing DNR stuff. They end up blockading the 27 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:39,120 parking area kind of up at the top of Skitter Hill on that trail, put a bunch of wooden 28 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:44,600 posts down. And I know that they did that this year because earlier this year we actually 29 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:53,560 camped over there. So that was unfortunate because that was a cool little spot. 30 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:54,560 Hobo camp. 31 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:00,440 Yeah. Oh yeah. It was just kind of a, we decided to stay there cause Derek had been waiting 32 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:08,640 out there too long. And by the time Alex's transmission cooled down to actually leave, 33 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,720 it was pretty late. I think it was like what? 12, one? 34 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,040 Yeah. Yeah. That was from my last attempt at Skitter Hill. One of these days I'll make 35 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,040 it up. Yeah. 36 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:22,480 What else did you need to help for that timeframe is that we took the long way around. 37 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:29,240 Yeah. Someone was leading and he got us lost and went the longest way possible. 38 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,240 Okay. Let me also say this is even if you're taking the long way, it shouldn't, shouldn't 39 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,440 make your training that bad. Oh no, no, no. The training was, that was completely unrelated. 40 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:46,040 I was talking about the timeframe. Oh, oh yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I thought you meant like 41 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,600 just like putting extra work on the transmission or something. Well, you know, what didn't 42 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:57,480 help was probably sinking it earlier and having to winch out. Although I got some really good 43 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:03,920 pictures of that. So I think it had more to do with the fact. Yeah. Okay. Maybe there's 44 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:09,200 water in transmission. I don't know. Yeah. I drained it and then I filled it back up 45 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,920 and then I drove it a mile and then I drained it and I filled it back up and I did that 46 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:20,600 seven or eight times and it's been fine ever since. So I think we're good. Yeah. Most likely. 47 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:27,920 I think that was my first time playing anchor. Yeah. My heavy ass. I, he let me pull up in 48 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:34,800 front and then he, he winched on to me. So that was like, I was like, yay. I get to do 49 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,960 it this last time, but I had some beautiful trees right where they needed to be this time. 50 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,600 Yeah. I would, I pulled up there. I was surprised I could get up there without slipping. See, 51 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,440 and it was like, that's no, it's pretty slick. I'm like, yeah, those tires do pretty well 52 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,160 if there, if there's any little bit of snow on the ground, but a little powder or anything 53 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:59,680 like that. But yeah, I was, uh, I was slipping and sliding all day on Saturday. Yeah. Well, 54 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:05,320 like we were talking about earlier, you were trying to, for the most part. Yes. But when 55 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:12,920 we were mud trains on ice are not the greatest combo. No, no. When we were over by Prairie, 56 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,720 you're, you were trying to kick it out. And then, then you got, then I, you know, something 57 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,760 that Alex doesn't do much, he kind of slowed down a little bit and was like, maybe I shouldn't 58 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,400 do this because this is a quick way to fuck my shit up. Well, that's cause I was hitting 59 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:36,760 shit. Yeah. I, uh, I was too many stumps. Yeah. That was pretty tight quarters, like 60 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:42,040 in some of the spots anyway, to get to where we were trying to go and then not ever being 61 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:47,000 on that trail. There were a lot of stumps sitting on the side of those straightaways. 62 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:54,320 Yeah. Uh, I put a drift wheel on my four runner and now I think it's a drift car. So if it 63 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,920 doesn't ding, when you put it on, that's not a drift wheel. You know, you have to like 64 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:06,560 roll it and it goes, it's, it's, I do have a quick release for it that will do that. But 65 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,220 the problem is it adds like two inches on length and puts the steering wheel like in 66 00:06:10,220 --> 00:06:19,860 my chin. Well, don't ever say that two inches doesn't matter. Huh? I will say I went from 67 00:06:19,860 --> 00:06:24,600 the four runner stock wheels, like 14 and a half inches and the new ones, a 13 inch 68 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,880 wheel. And it is so much easier to get in and out of that car. And there's so much more 69 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:39,320 space for the driver. Hmm. Yeah. Gosh, I was, uh, I think it was my first time. I was just 70 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,160 trying to think. I was my first time wheeling with Duncan. That was the first time I've 71 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:49,440 actually met him, but he was, uh, yeah. Oh shit. Duncan's a pretty cool cat. Yeah. He 72 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:54,640 was, he, he's the one that had that for runner, the mud, the mud, mud runner, whatever you 73 00:06:54,640 --> 00:07:01,480 call it. Yeah. Mud crawler, cricket, the one that's all in pieces in my yard. Yeah. The 74 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,640 frame that's in your yard. That's got the body there too. Yeah. I didn't see the body. 75 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:14,760 Was it covered? It's on a trailer. Oh, actually the crawler is the reason that the trailer 76 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:22,400 is two flat tires. Oh, yes. Yeah. You try crawling it. Well, when we pulled it up on, 77 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,240 Duncan was a little too far to the right and ran up the fender well and we didn't realize 78 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,680 that it had bent the fender well just a touch and it rubbed the inside of the tires raw 79 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:38,120 and they were, that was their first trip on brand new tires too. I just, uh, forked out 80 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:43,720 a whole bunch of money on Friday to buy new ones for it. Yeah. Yeah. You live and you 81 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:52,480 learn someday. I'll have a trailer that doesn't have fenders like that. I actually just found, 82 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,640 so I've got two that I'm looking at right now. Uh, they're both wedge style. One of 83 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,560 them's aluminum and one of them steel. I'm kind of leaning towards the aluminum one if 84 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:09,380 I can find it again. Um, yeah. So pretty soon, stay tuned. The botches might be getting a 85 00:08:09,380 --> 00:08:15,060 tow rig and a trailer. The botches, the boxes were thinking about a little event that they 86 00:08:15,060 --> 00:08:22,800 might be pulling next year. Yeah, dude. I don't want to talk about that. Maybe we should. 87 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:30,280 No, uh, I don't know. It's quite a ways away and we'd be giving away all of our ideas and 88 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:35,560 give someone time to steal them. Yeah. Just say it's kind of like the poker fit coming 89 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:41,200 up. We don't have to get exact details. Yeah. It's similar to a poker event. That's, we 90 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:54,560 could say that except that instead it's a, it'd be a true, um, um, cryptid hunt. Yeah. 91 00:08:54,560 --> 00:09:00,800 At that point, I feel like people can put it together, but I, I don't, I don't think 92 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,000 anybody's going to steal it. We don't have enough listeners. We'll talk about it. Sounds 93 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,000 fun. All right. So what we're going to do is we're going to get Gavin a Grinch outfit 94 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:15,040 and we're going to set him on top of the hill and we're going to get Mark a, um, a Wolfman 95 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,320 outfit. Oh, we don't have to. He's got the beard. We'll put him on top of the hill and 96 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:28,960 then we'll make Alan, uh, look like the, uh, no, he's big foot. He's big foot. Big dudes, 97 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:39,680 already tall. So we make Derek Slenderman. Yeah. That's definitely work. But no, we, 98 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:48,480 uh, we're going to, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Alex, Alex, the little leprechaun. Yeah. 99 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:54,600 We could not leave you out. You had everybody else ready. What's a, what's a Scott other 100 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:05,280 than Nessie? What's a Scottish cryptid? Uh, well, Fay, very, um, there's Kelpie, a supernatural 101 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:11,400 water horse. Yeah. You don't really look like a Kelpie. The Wolvar who is a humanoid Wolf 102 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:17,960 Creek. Can we talk about how there's Wolfmans all over the world and we've all just agreed 103 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:23,600 that they don't exist, even though almost every culture has one. Oh yeah. I mean, same 104 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:31,440 thing with big foot. I mean, you're right. And dragons. Yeah. I think dragons are half 105 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:39,260 and half. I really, the, the kid in me who grew up loving dragons, like wants to say 106 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:46,840 that dragons might be real, but also the, the logical side of me also thinks that dragons 107 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:52,640 could have very well been just dinosaurs that, you know, evolved through the millions of 108 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:58,600 years that they were probably supposed to be extinct and survived. So Joe, Joe Rogan 109 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,160 actually recently had a whole conversation about this because, uh, the today show or 110 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,920 something said that he believed in dragons, which he, he doesn't. I remember this. I seen, 111 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:14,300 I see the video about this cause he went full throttle on changing everything to what he 112 00:11:14,300 --> 00:11:21,040 thinks that dragons actually were, was, um, in the middle age time, we were starting to 113 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,240 adventure out away from our original cities and we were running into crocodiles and stuff 114 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,560 that were, you know, crocodiles, they live pretty much forever unless there's an external 115 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:35,720 force and they grow nonstop. So he believes that there was some large saltwater crocodiles 116 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:41,120 that people then watched eat their friends and then assume that they were dragons. Yeah. 117 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:47,640 Well I do, I do really think like, for instance, Dodos, they, of course those are a lot closer 118 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:54,440 when you, when you look at the timeline, but yeah, I think that there is very good possibility 119 00:11:54,440 --> 00:12:01,880 of large lizards, um, staying alive. I believe that there is a very good possibility that 120 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:09,120 there is a, what is it? A plesiosaur or a, you know, a Loch Ness monster. Every, you 121 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:16,040 know, the, the fact of the matter is, is that we don't completely understand how these animals 122 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:21,080 work. We have theories. We can look at their bones and look at the way that they were built 123 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:29,400 and try to understand. But if you look at a live, like, you know, a lot of living creatures, 124 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:35,600 things like the plesiosaur or not, you know, I think the plesiosaur is the fish. Am I thinking? 125 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:42,440 But yeah, so the plesiosaur is like what you would consider a long neck, you know, the, 126 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,240 I don't know what they're actually called, but the long necks that were on land, like 127 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:53,160 from the movie dinosaurs or whatever. Yeah. Um, that dinosaur except in the water with 128 00:12:53,160 --> 00:13:02,280 fins instead, they were very similar. So, I mean, I think, I think it's very, very possible. 129 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:09,960 Yeah. I'm right. Plesiosaur. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I, I, I'm kind of proud of myself today. As 130 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,920 I had as a creationist. Oh yeah. I'll come right out and say it. I'm a creationist, but 131 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:21,240 as a creationist, um, I believe that dinosaurs, cause before the flood, I know anyone who's 132 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,840 not a Christian is going to say I'm crazy, but whatever. Um, before the flood, uh, people 133 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,840 lived extremely long periods. You know, we've got records of people living to be four to 134 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:37,120 500 years old. Um, so I could see lizards having done the same thing and lizards grow 135 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:42,720 nonstop their entire life. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is lizards don't have, yeah. You 136 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,200 like you said, a lifespan. So as long as there's something that they can eat, a food source 137 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:54,720 to sustain them, there's not really anything to stop them. So what do you, I mean, at that 138 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:00,720 point in the middle ages, what's to differentiate between a dragon and a dinosaur and just a 139 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:06,720 lizard? There's, I mean, there's such a, and to not even know the difference, number one 140 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,920 from being that, you know, that far back. I mean, it's all the same. And to have a giant 141 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:17,280 flying dinosaur is not hard to believe. There's plenty of them. Right. What's even now, what's 142 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:22,800 the difference between a dinosaur and a lizard? How long they live. That's really about it. 143 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:29,000 And during the time period that quotations for anyone paying attention during the time 144 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,560 period that dinosaurs were alive, the earth was a lot warmer than it is now, which means 145 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:38,240 that lizards would have lived a lot happier and a lot more climates than they do now. 146 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:50,000 Yeah. So that, and we don't have massive deforestation and water pollution and massive eradication 147 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,760 of animals. I mean, there was a lot better food source back then, even, even in the middle 148 00:14:54,760 --> 00:15:01,680 ages, the amount of food, like if you were to just think about how America looked with 149 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:09,280 millions, what was it? 4 million bison before they got exterminated. I mean, could you imagine 150 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:15,880 a dinosaur or any kind of reptilian dinosaur in America, Utah, that point? 151 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:21,640 Bisons are one of my favorite subjects, like things in this category, because the whole 152 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:28,480 bison timeline is so interesting. So before horse, cause horses originated in the Midwest 153 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,720 and then they took the land bridge over to Europe and then they died. They were hunted 154 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,440 out here by native American, well, natives. I'm not going to say native Americans. We're 155 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:42,120 indigenous people. How's that? That's better. So they hunted out horses, not knowing how 156 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:48,800 to use them. And then they were hunting bison by, by hand on the ground. So the bison numbers 157 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:54,020 just absolutely skyrocketed because they couldn't control them. Well, then when we brought horses 158 00:15:54,020 --> 00:15:58,040 back over, they now were using horses to hunt them and they wiped them out in a matter of 159 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:04,760 like 10 years. 160 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:05,760 Who's they? 161 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,080 Indigenous. Yep. 162 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:18,240 Was it or was it? I mean, I mean, I, so from what I know, and I, this could very well be 163 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:29,280 not true, but we, and I say we, as in the white people that were there at that time, 164 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:35,600 killed a lot of them off to cut off the main food sources for people because when a lot 165 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,400 of them moved in migrant with bison. 166 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:43,920 Oh, right. So by the time that the white man, you know, cause the Spaniards brought horses 167 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,680 over. So that's what the indigenous people started using to hunt. And they wiped out 168 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:56,120 from something like 4 million down to like 500,000 before Columbus even came over. So 169 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,400 then by the time Columbus got here, they didn't even see bison until we went to the other 170 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:00,400 side of the Mississippi. 171 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:08,440 Huh. I have to very, very much, uh, check on that. You know, not, not that I don't believe 172 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:15,440 you, but no, not that I don't believe you, but as in before I try to even like, yeah, 173 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:21,680 say anything else in regards to that, but the, uh, cause by the time that Columbus got 174 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,920 here, they didn't see bison until they went to the Mississippi and they were absolutely 175 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,440 amazed at what bison were because they were just this huge mammal. They thought they were 176 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:36,300 living dinosaurs. They thought they were mammoths. Hey, look at that. I mean, at the same time 177 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:42,120 we go full circle back to, you know, just what the knowledge of the people at that time 178 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:50,000 knew. So, I mean, very well could have been dinosaurs very well could have been just regular 179 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,880 animals that I mean, who knows, but 180 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:53,880 I mean, 181 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:54,880 Anyhoo, 182 00:17:54,880 --> 00:18:00,440 just imagine, imagine being a settler, right? And you come here and everything's different. 183 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,720 Imagine seeing an elk for the first time, man. 184 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:08,840 Well, and even in the thing is, is even at that time, when you're that far back, like, 185 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:14,660 what are we, what are we settlers? Like where we say 1500 to 1600s? Let's get the French. 186 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:25,840 We had French at like what? 1600 French settlers from Canada. Quick, cause we have fur traders. 187 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:32,360 Yeah. The term dinosaur only became known in 1842. Right. Right. Well, isn't that just 188 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:38,080 big lizard or something like that? I don't know exactly the exact term for it is, but 189 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:45,080 yeah. Well, that's a, that's fair too. I mean, that's, that's very recent in human history. 190 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:53,120 Terrible lizard. Terrible lizard. Yeah. Yep. So yeah. Columbus got here in 1492. Well, 191 00:18:53,120 --> 00:19:05,120 he got some of the homos in our area. There had to have been fur traders before that. 192 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:12,480 Right. So we had some, we had some brothers exploring what's today, today Newfoundland 193 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:18,720 in 1500, but that's the beginning. Was that the McGlenn? Was McGlenn? The court, quarter 194 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:31,360 real brothers. But just any who, so we're getting that, that what 14, 1500 and imagine 195 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:39,880 the possibilities of what animals still existed back then. So in an area as lightly hunted 196 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,760 as well. I can't say lightly hunted because the indigenous did a really good job keeping 197 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:49,560 populations down here. So the indigenous, the thing is those the indigenous, even like 198 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:56,120 as far as America is concerned and what our current population is now there, it was, it 199 00:19:56,120 --> 00:20:01,800 was nothing. Yeah. Comparatively. I mean, comparatively the indigenous population was 200 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:11,560 nothing. So yes, at the same time in these popular areas near waterways for sure, but 201 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:18,080 you know, prehistoric elk. Have you seen those? Oh my God. Yeah, dude. Could you imagine seeing 202 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:25,600 one of those? And there's very possible that those were around at that time. So there were 203 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:31,880 about 54 million people, pre-Columbian 54 million indigenous people in the United, or 204 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:45,240 in the America in United States and Canada. Right. So compare that to today. I'm going 205 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:52,480 to look at population of North America. That'd be an even better way to, yeah. Well, 592 206 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,400 million people. So that's like, that's, that's a lot of free. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of 207 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:05,680 people. That's like 10 times the amount of people. Yeah. So I don't know. It, it's pretty 208 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:14,160 crazy to think that cryptids aren't a thing at the same time. So, yeah. So circling, you 209 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:27,240 know, back to you because right now, right. I think, I think though that if we, I think 210 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:33,080 about what like the origin type animal that these cryptids are originating from and how 211 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:38,760 many years they've had to adapt and evolve the same way that we have had years to adapt 212 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:48,480 and evolve, but differently. So Bigfoot, for instance, why couldn't it evolve to have a 213 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:59,140 higher form of camouflage or the hair on a Bigfoot resist any kind of thermal detection? 214 00:21:59,140 --> 00:22:04,720 It's had years and years to work on this. I, you know, to me, it's just not that hard 215 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:10,140 to believe. And there's too many signs. There's too many origin stories all around the world 216 00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:14,600 at periods where they haven't been talking to each other. You know, there's no way that 217 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,120 you could hear stories from, you know, one part of the world from the other and have 218 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:28,280 that, have that, you know, coincide with each other. So I would be really interested. So 219 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,880 even today we've got tribes that are cut off from the rest of the world. I'd be interested 220 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:39,880 to hear what their cryptids are. I would guarantee that there's, uh, that maybe it, which their 221 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:46,760 cryptids are probably very, it's like looking into indigenous tribe gods. Yeah. Um, it's 222 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:57,240 probably very similar, but I would say 70 to 60 to 70% of their cryptids are explainable 223 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:03,080 by modern science or, you know, that, you know, that big light in the sky that makes 224 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:08,760 a, makes weird sounds and it shines down on you. And then, you know, like, okay, that's 225 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:15,240 a helicopter. Yeah. Or, you know, the big silver bird in the side, you know, in the 226 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:23,600 sky we call it the, uh, the Thunderbird. That's like, that's a 747. I can hear it screech 227 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:38,720 for miles and miles. Yeah. It makes calls. It makes calls. Like, I mean, you know, I 228 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,760 mean, you know, at some point, you know, there's a tribe out there that's like, are what the 229 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:48,760 fuck? There, there's been stories of tribes the first time they've ever seen a white person 230 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:54,400 and you're like touching them, touching them, grabbing their hair, like, what the hell? 231 00:23:54,400 --> 00:24:00,200 So I mean, it's cool stuff. Cryptids in general are really cool. Very cool concept to think 232 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:06,360 about. We could talk about that all day, but yeah, the, the whole, the whole, you know, 233 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:15,160 thing about that is that I hosted a, you know, a cryptid hunt this last year and it was fun. 234 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:21,000 It was nothing really crazy. We did some trails, but, um, obviously we didn't really find anything. 235 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,800 We weren't really trying. We didn't even go out at night. We, we originally planned to, 236 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:32,540 cause we did a, probably a 10 hour trail ride, um, that day. So we were all pretty pooped 237 00:24:32,540 --> 00:24:37,680 and you know, we were talking about it. I was thinking about it before I brought it 238 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,360 up to Alex while we were out, um, trail riding Saturday. And I'm like, dude, what if we, 239 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:48,320 what if we made it kind of like a game, like a scavenger hunt and we make cutouts of these 240 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:54,480 cryptids and we place them throughout, uh, you know, a stretch of trail or a stretch 241 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,920 of trails, um, you know, paint them black, put on the other side, Hey, don't take this. 242 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:05,640 It's for a contest and then put like stickers on the back and like a 10 or something that 243 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:11,880 people can collect. And then, you know, as I was offline, I was thinking, I was, I was 244 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,740 thinking about what we were saying, you know, doing the sticker thing would be cool because 245 00:25:14,740 --> 00:25:19,880 you could put it on your truck. So yeah, right. And then if you collect all five stickers 246 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,100 and I'm sitting here and I'm thinking, why don't we make them body parts? Cause it could 247 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:29,360 be like, cause he could be like Exodia, like let's get all five parts of the big foot. 248 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:34,680 And then like, and like you could get the head and one, you could get the arms and each 249 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,120 other or you could get a leg into others. And, and I was just thinking about that. Like 250 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,160 that would be kind of fun because then you could show that you did the whole trail, right? 251 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:50,440 Or the whole part have like, uh, individual stickers for each cryptid. And then if you 252 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:57,120 get all say five cryptid stickers, then you also get a cryptid hunt sticker. Yeah. Something 253 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:04,120 like that. So, but then I was like, okay, we could do like five parts of one cryptid 254 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:09,960 for like one trail. So like you have to get five cards and then you get the sticker at 255 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:16,560 the end or something like that. And then we could do certain challenges that are like 256 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,740 a whole different sticker by themselves. So like skitter Hill, that would be a sticker 257 00:26:21,740 --> 00:26:26,600 on its own. That would be, that would be the moth man. You know what I mean? Like that 258 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,760 would that's, and if you did skitter Hill, you got the moth man sticker. And that was 259 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:37,400 something to like, we, we'd have to, uh, have a person sitting there watching people do 260 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,880 it. Well, one, because if anything happens, we need a recovery too, to be able to prove 261 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,200 check or proof check. You would have to have video or you would have to have some kind 262 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:53,400 of proof for sure. Yeah. But I was just thinking, I'm like, that would be really cool. And of 263 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,120 course you could get families and stuff in on that because you'd have to be searching 264 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:02,160 these trails, looking for these, these, you know, creatures. If we did it at night, it 265 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:07,200 would be really fucking hard, but it'd be fun. It would be, you know what I mean? Like 266 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:13,160 we could, we could do it so that the, you know, the signs are closer to the trail instead 267 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:19,160 of farther out. But I figure if we do it in the day, we can put them out like 25, 30 yards 268 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,640 out in the, in the trail to like, try to really hide them a little bit, make it an actual 269 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,640 challenge. 270 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:32,440 This would be a really cool, like two day event. Yeah, it would be, it would be cool. 271 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,840 Yeah. And I agree with that because it would be cool to do like a, or like a weekend, like 272 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,960 a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, like come into camp Friday. We could do, like you said, uh, 273 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,120 ever or whatever. I think it'd be awesome to do it here in New Igo County though. That 274 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:55,600 would be cool to bring people in, but there's no, but I think the huge challenge is there's 275 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,240 not as many, not trails. 276 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,040 We have lots of the harder, we have harder challenges than ever in a lot of spots, but 277 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,880 they're separated by road. The pro and like ever kind of the thing. Yeah. Cause ever it's 278 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,600 nice cause it's all in one spot. Ours are like spread out a lot. 279 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,480 And that's, that's the thing is like, I, I almost would feel better doing, if we would 280 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:26,240 do like a whole weekend, it to be in an area like ever, because at the end of the day, 281 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:32,040 we're the ones setting up before. Yeah. And having to do all that extra driving and all 282 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:41,480 that. No, that's a good spot to do it. You know, ever or even, um, Yuma, Yuma is not 283 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:48,760 as hard, but there was some cool stuff in Yuma. Um, so I mean like there's, there's 284 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:55,000 places that we could go. Um, that would make it more, but doing like a three weekend trip 285 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:01,800 to where like you, me and you come out like, I don't know, Thursday or Friday we, and we 286 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:11,040 run the trails and we set up and we take, I think maybe doing like coordinates, but doing 287 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:18,000 like not exact coordinates. Like, Hey, it's in a radius, like a mile radius of this coordinate. 288 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:25,960 Yeah. I think, or if we put it on a trail and say it's on this trail, right. That would 289 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,760 be good. Yeah. Give the coordinates to the trail head and then it's on this trail. It's 290 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:38,680 somewhere on this trail. You got to find it. I could say though, that even then like group, 291 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,120 rides are going to be a thing, which is not a big deal. Like if people are writing together, 292 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,240 they, it doesn't matter. I almost would rather that that way you can recover if you need 293 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:54,480 to. And I think it'd be a lot of fun doing it together as a group. I think, uh, doing 294 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,360 it in teams of two vehicles. Um, and we'd set that up beforehand. You know, this is 295 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:05,000 your team. You know what I mean? Right. Um, and then obviously we'd have to have the GMR 296 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:14,080 channel open for recovery situation, stuff like that. I'd say if we want to do this, 297 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:21,600 I'd want to do it earlier in the fall. Leave starting to change colors. I'm thinking like 298 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:27,480 late September or mid to late September. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah. Change colors. 299 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,580 Yeah. Cause I want it to be warm enough that we can all comfortably, you know, still pretty 300 00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:38,560 comfortably sleep. Uh, but I liked, I want to see the, the colors change and stuff, but 301 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:44,240 not all the leaves gone. I wanted to kind of be an in-between, but I think it would 302 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:51,240 be, I think it would be really cool. And I know for a fact that if we made this how we 303 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:57,660 did, we'd get a lot more people out here. Yeah. I know a couple of the people that we 304 00:30:57,660 --> 00:31:04,680 trail ride from MST that would be, would be so down. Like I know Melissa, um, they're 305 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,720 big, big foot hunters and stuff. Like they would be down to her whole family. She's got 306 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,000 wife, a husband, I think two or three kids. And she's got a wife and a husband. That's 307 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,600 yeah. You know, that's what I meant. You know, she's got a husband and then, and then two 308 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,280 kids fair, but, uh, they're really cool and they, they do big foot hunts and stuff and 309 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,280 they were thinking about coming down, but it's like a three hour drive for them because 310 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:34,160 they're down by Illinois. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I think, I really think this is an event 311 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:41,320 that a lot of people would enjoy. So it's, it's reusable too. Oh, this could be a yearly 312 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:48,520 thing. And I location all the time either. Exactly. So like it could be botches yearly 313 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,500 and it could be the botches yearly cryptid hunt. And I love that. I think, I think as 314 00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:59,600 much as we love doing cryptid shit and talking about cryptids, I think it'd be great. And 315 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:07,840 I think, I think we need to, to save up for plywood because that's going to be like, that's 316 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,680 going to be like the biggest expense on our end other than gas to scout and do this, but 317 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:17,160 we could do that throughout the summer. Maybe stickers depending where we go through. Yeah. 318 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,680 We're going to have to see that's, that's the thing too. Is it's going to be costly 319 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:27,920 for stickers, but we could just buy like big foot stickers, Muffins, like, like, we don't 320 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:33,920 have to make it, but I think at the end, like that would get all of the stickers. It would 321 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,600 have to be custom and we could do this from just, we could do those from Yammer or something. 322 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,240 Yeah. I having the one sticker at the end that's custom, that wouldn't be hard to do 323 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,640 or you could actually do that through your, through our shop, through the shop, because 324 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:54,440 we could custom that botches yearly cryptid hunt and we could put some scary, scary picture 325 00:32:54,440 --> 00:33:00,320 on it or something. Or I'm going to be talking to Amber's wife soon about getting us switched 326 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:06,600 over to their shop. That would work. It will do a mix because they don't offer all the 327 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:13,000 products that our, our shop does, but I think that it would be worth supporting their business 328 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:18,560 just as much as, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. As much as we can. Yeah, I know. I'm 329 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,280 stoked about that. I think that's going to be so fun. We just, we're going to have to 330 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:28,360 make some time to scout and like decide what trails we like. So we're going to have to, 331 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,520 you know, next summer or, you know, spring, we're going to do Yuma or not Yuma ever. And 332 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,160 we're just going to have to like mark our favorite trails. Yep. And then Mark, maybe, 333 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:45,000 maybe we marked like the difficulty and then potential areas that we could put something. 334 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,080 Right. And then we could drop it all. We could, you know, Mark, we're going to need you and 335 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:57,200 your pickup. Yep. But we're going to hit, we can throw all the cutouts in there with 336 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,360 like a, you know, something to hammer them in like a rod or something, or just lean them 337 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,920 up against the tree. Yep. Whatever. And then we could set them up the night before, like 338 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:13,880 Thursday night or Friday night or something, and then have everyone come up and, and lead 339 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,800 it that way. But I think that that would be a really, really fun trip and we could do 340 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:28,240 like maybe, yeah, it'd just be a really fun trip. Oh yeah. And I, and I think as like, 341 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:34,600 cause my son will be probably he'll be, he'll be almost two. So he'll be talking and walking 342 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:40,960 and he can help us look and, and uh, you know, that would be fun as a family. I'll drag the 343 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:47,680 nephew along. Yeah. I mean, he could help look. That'd be one my mom would be interested 344 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,480 in too. So both my nephews could be there and she could come in the black for her on 345 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:57,320 her. Exactly. I mean, and it's like, you have to take the scary stuff. Like I said, we'll 346 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:05,240 do, we'll do like harder trail areas. We'll do those specifically as a sticker. Right. 347 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:14,000 What do we have ever? I don't really know, but yeah. Uh, we also got the off camber spot. 348 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,400 You got that off camber. We got the mud area. We could do a mud area just for Nolan. We 349 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:26,320 could put like mud monster out there. Like a swamp monster monster. There you go. Do 350 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:32,440 the swamp monster sticker for the mud. Do too bad. If we did it in New Igo County, we 351 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:39,120 could do the, uh, the drudging, the drudging, uh, drudging swamp monster or the drudge. 352 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,520 Oh yeah. 353 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:48,680 Yeah. I think Michigan mega monsters, the American chillers from Michigan. Oh yeah. 354 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:54,000 Well, isn't there a Michigan chillers that has a, there is there's Michigan children 355 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,080 and he went to American chillers as well. And for Michigan, it was a Michigan mega monster. 356 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:05,320 So it was pretty much a swamp monster. Yeah. So I got a swamp monster for the muddy areas. 357 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:13,200 We'll do a big foot. We'll do a dog band. We'll do a moth man. We could even do it just 358 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:22,480 so like a ghost or, oh, we could do slender man. He's a, the slender man count is encrypted. 359 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:32,840 He's more of like an internet. So, so if you believe that belief gives power, yeah. If 360 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,680 you're in that type of belief system, because I, in the way that I kind of think about this 361 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,800 stuff is like, even for gods, it's almost like a game, not a game, but it's a popularity 362 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:50,360 contest. Like the more people believe in you, the more powerful you are. I, so like, I think 363 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:56,120 that's in, to me, this is just how it makes sense to me. But like, if you think about 364 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:03,360 like how Christianity got its start and how that really killed out all the other pagan 365 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:09,800 religions to be the biggest and baddest and kind of rewrote its own history in a lot of 366 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:17,720 ways. I think, I dunno, I think that it won the popularity contest and I think that there 367 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:23,680 are pagan gods. I just think that they're so weak because there's so many less people 368 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:30,000 believe in them. So they're very much lesser gods by now. You know what I mean? And, yeah. 369 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,280 So like even like demons and stuff like that, I think that the name gives anything power 370 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:42,320 and the more that believe the more power it has. So if you think about slender man and 371 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:50,640 how crazy that got for that while. Yeah. I mean, and if with my beliefs, that kind of 372 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:57,960 point like that, I think that there is something to it. And it's such a fine line between what 373 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,280 is real and what's in the mind. Your mind can make things up and your mind can feel 374 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:11,680 and see things that isn't there. I dunno. I, so I mean, slender man, I think is very possible. 375 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:18,800 I think as far as being a cryptid, I think it's one cryptid status now, or maybe a legend 376 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:26,320 status. I don't really know. Where'd that come from? A creepy pasta? Yeah. Yeah. Creepy 377 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:34,000 pasta. Yep. Yep. Yeah. You know what that that got me for a little bit too. And I was 378 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,720 younger. I was like, man, I'm looking for something tall and fucking in the trees. I can't think 379 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:45,160 of another creepy pasta that got as popular as Slender Man. There is one more. I'm trying 380 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:53,520 to remember it. It's like a killer. Just a killer. I think the scariest thing for me 381 00:38:53,520 --> 00:39:03,600 was Blair Witch. Yeah. When I was, when I was younger, I thought that was a real documentation. 382 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:09,880 Like when I watched that movie, I was, I was pretty young when I watched that movie. And 383 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:16,840 apparently I skipped the part where it literally says this was filmed to look like, like completely 384 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:22,840 missed that part. So when I was watching this, I, and even like, so I missed that part in 385 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:30,920 Paranormal Activity 1. I missed that that was a, that was fake too. So when I was watching 386 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:36,720 that, I thought I was watching all like real stuff at first. And then I was like, there's, 387 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:41,080 I was like, there's no way these people are catching shit like this. And then I had to 388 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,960 look it up and I'm like, oh fuck, it is fake. I said, now I feel dumb. Like, but when you're 389 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,160 younger and you have like, you believe so much in this, this kind of stuff, it was like, 390 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,520 oh, that's not hard to believe. Like when you grow up watching every ghost show there is 391 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:02,280 imaginable. So I watched, I can't remember the name of it, but there was one about the 392 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:10,440 Paris catacombs where it was like a mockumentary and a group of explorers, if you will, went 393 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,000 down with a little camera and they all got killed by some monster and the camera was 394 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:21,520 found later. I thought that was true. Yeah. Okay. See, but like Blair Witch, they found 395 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:27,840 the camera after and that's like, I don't know. It was just kind of like, it was so 396 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:34,320 believable. And then like, I don't know. I looked like you go through the woods and it's 397 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:41,040 like, that's not hard to believe. I see like weird, but like as, as I also grew up, I like 398 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:46,040 started looking into pagan magics and stuff like that. And like, oh, okay. Some of these, 399 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,160 some of these things you're seeing in the woods are not actually like heinous mean things 400 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:56,920 or just protective sigils or something like that. Like, cause that, that kind of called 401 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:02,120 me down a little bit. I was like, Oh, these are just like pagan protective symbols. Sienna 402 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,840 won't fuck with it. She will, if she sees shit like that. So we went up, um, one of 403 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,700 the first times that I guess you could, that we went camping with Sienna, uh, Ford escape. 404 00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:21,480 We went up to two hearted. Um, and one of the, one of the camp spots we pulled into 405 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,900 and had every intention of staying in. And we kind of looked around for wood on the edge 406 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,960 of the campsite to see if it was, it was worth staying in real. Like, is there any dead wood? 407 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:38,160 Cause we don't want to buy any like, and she saw, uh, some kind of voodoo, witchy voodoo, 408 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,560 like handmade thing hanging from the tree. And she's like, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope. 409 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,000 She's like, we're not going here. And I'm like, honey, it's fine. She's, I went to grab 410 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,780 it. She's like, don't you fucking touch that thing. She's like, you stay right the fuck 411 00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:54,320 away from that. She's like, I don't want any of that fucking energy over here. So yeah. 412 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,680 So we, so we were like, ah, we'll, we'll pick a different one. We picked a different site. 413 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:05,720 I, I get it dude. When I, so when I was in Korea, I had a roommate who was a Satanist 414 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:09,920 and I was going through like a really deep depression and like, couldn't figure out what 415 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,680 was going on. And then one day I walked in and he was having some ritual in the kitchen. 416 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,280 I'm like, dude, what are you doing? He's like, Oh, I'm calling in my protective demon. And 417 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:24,080 I'm like, uh, yeah, I don't want to be part of this. Well, they feed on you too. Like 418 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,040 especially when you're in depression, depression. So like when I was younger, I always thought 419 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:35,800 I had something dark that followed me and I could specifically remember when I was younger, 420 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:43,400 like a dark shadow, like a being following me around. And I remember a couple of times 421 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:52,960 where I've had encounters with it. And so I, there was a point in my depression of recent 422 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,060 times before I met Sienna, where I was kind of, I was kind of like, dude, I think this 423 00:42:58,060 --> 00:43:03,640 thing was like, I think this might, this thing might be like feeding off of me. You know, 424 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,480 it just felt like every day got worse and it felt like there was always something in 425 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:14,120 my house. And there was like, I would, I would breach my own fucking house, like a breach 426 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,560 my own fucking room door and clear my house multiple times because I felt like something 427 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,880 was in here. Yeah. And I let all the lights on because every time the light was off, it 428 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,080 felt like there was a growing darkness in a corner. And it was like, it was, it just, 429 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:36,560 when I looked over there in the corner, it just felt like the corner was quieter and 430 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:42,640 darker than it should be every time. And so like, I'm like, dude, there's something fucking 431 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,640 there. And I felt like it was feeding off me and things just kept getting worse. And 432 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:56,640 after I met Sienna, she did a lot of the fucking traditional Hispanic, like the cleansing 433 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:05,280 stuff with like, I was at Palo Santo, like egg rub downs and shit like that. And I think 434 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:13,400 that plus the fact that I, I was really happy with meeting her and that I kind of blocked 435 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,920 that I started to block that energy off. I wasn't as receptive to it. Yeah. And now, 436 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,260 and now that I'm at a different spot to where I cleanse and smudge pretty, pretty frequently 437 00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:29,600 to where I have protective sigils and stuff around, I am not worried about it as much. 438 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:37,560 And I feel better. Like I don't feel that same entity if you, if you will. Yeah. I definitely 439 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,800 got moved to a different room and then it was all over after that. So it isn't that 440 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:49,160 crazy. I, so there was, okay, so I don't know if I told you this, but I ended up seeing 441 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,800 Sienna's great grandmother. Oh yeah. You told me the story. Yeah. So just a quick recap, 442 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,920 I guess for listeners, but I was, I was taking a piss and there's a window right behind the 443 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:05,600 toilet looking out into the woods behind the house. And I saw this, you know, didn't even 444 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,240 think twice about it. I just saw this old lady walking through the woods and then it 445 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:16,560 was a short older Hispanic lady with a white, like, like a white shawl over her head. And, 446 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,960 and I'm like, Oh, it's Sienna's grandma. I wonder, she must be feeling better walking 447 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,720 around and stuff. And so I got done peeing and I go, go out to the kitchen and go, I 448 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:29,720 saw your grandma. And she goes, yeah. I was like, yeah, she was walking out through the 449 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:35,840 woods and she goes, no, she wasn't. Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah, she was. I saw her and then 450 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,160 I kind of thought about her for a second. I'm like, there ain't no way she's feeling 451 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,480 good enough to be walking without a walker after she broke her hip like that. Like, so 452 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:50,160 then I told Sienna what happened, what I saw. And she goes, that is, that is weird. She 453 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,800 and she goes, that might be great grandma. And I'm like, no. So we immediately, we just 454 00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,320 went over to grandma's cause we just thought it was cool. She goes, tell her what you told 455 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:07,040 me. And I told grandma and she kind of gasped and she goes, Oh, she goes, yeah, that's my 456 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:13,400 mother. And I'm like, no, she's like, that's who you saw. You saw my mother. She goes, 457 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:22,200 she was a white witch and she practiced like healing, healing spells and stuff like that. 458 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,120 So she would gather herbs from an herb garden that she had in the woods and she would walk 459 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,860 there every day. And she goes, so that was what you were seeing is you saw her walking 460 00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:38,440 into the woods. She goes, you're very lucky. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm, I don't like 461 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:46,640 that. Like he, I, it didn't feel ominous, but there's a lot of stories on that land 462 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:53,200 from them because of the witchcraft and some of the, they've, they have seen like duplicate 463 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,680 spirit, like duplicate, uh, what would you call that? What are the, what are the people 464 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,880 that the kids that act like a doppelgangers, like doppelgangers spirits? 465 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:12,000 Yeah. I mean, to make it even worse, uh, in our area, uh, Enzley center area is where 466 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,440 most of the witches are. So like, there's a lot of that over by you. A lot of that, 467 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:22,680 a lot of native American burial grounds. There's a lot of spiritual energy all around. Like, 468 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:29,120 so they have that, you know, they have that, they had the doppelganger, they have a boy 469 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:35,360 that, uh, that will play as a boy or a girl. And they were playing tag and I can't remember 470 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,800 which three it was, but they were running around the house and they were bullying Michael, 471 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,960 the youngest brother. And as in, uh, Alex knows Michael and, uh, they were kind of bullying 472 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,600 him and chasing him around. And he's like, I've had enough of this. Like he's crying 473 00:47:50,600 --> 00:48:01,000 like a little baby and he runs to the house, runs to the house door and, uh, all of a sudden, 474 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:07,480 uh, they're chasing, they look at the door and they go, get him, get him. And one of 475 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:13,400 the two of the people chasing runs into the woods and they get yelled at. They're like, 476 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:19,720 don't chase that. And they turn around and, uh, I think it was Alex. They pointed at the 477 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:26,020 door and they pointed at Michael walking through the door right as Alex was chasing Michael 478 00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:31,800 going into the woods. Not me, Alex, a different Alex. No, yes. Alex, uh, Alex Sienna's older 479 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:38,720 sister. So, and as soon as they turned back to go look at this person, they were chasing 480 00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:43,200 into the woods. There was no one there. So yeah, they definitely got, they definitely 481 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:49,920 got some, uh, some stuff over there, but you know, that stuff's just so cool. I think we, 482 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,680 we even got a book for that. I bought a book. I got to let you see this haunted New Wingo 483 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,800 County. Yeah, dude, I want to see that. It's even got the legend of Drudge and Swamp. Maybe 484 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,280 we'll do some, we could do some reads on this every once in a while. Yeah, that'd be kind 485 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:10,400 of cool. Do some reads, some, some cryptid reads, some scary stories. So our, uh, our 486 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:16,120 area has a lot of, a lot of history, uh, for the listeners that don't understand New Wingo 487 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:21,760 County is, I don't want to say one of the oldest counties in Michigan, but it has a 488 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:29,680 very rich history because it, uh, sorry, someone just distracted me, but a lot of stuff happened 489 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:35,720 here. I mean, um, Al Capone owned a lot of property here. So there's a lot of stuff wrapped 490 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:42,920 around Al Capone, um, very deep history with logging. So, uh, because of that, there's 491 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:51,120 a lot of like cryptid type stuff in our area, a lot of witchcraft. So yeah. Yeah, for sure. 492 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:57,920 And because we're a farming community, we have a very high population of migrant workers 493 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,120 and they all bring their own unique stories that happen here. 494 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:12,440 Um, stories and traditions and witchcraft and they have in Juju Voodoo stuff. Yeah, 495 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:20,200 there's, there's a lot, man, but yeah, we'll have to do some reading of haunted New Wingo 496 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:26,000 County. Do they have the story about the little boy on the dams in there? Little boy on the 497 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:32,440 dams. Is that what it's called? Little boy on Croton Hardy or I think it's Hardy. I think 498 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:41,760 it's Croton that he's seen on. See, we have the days of decadence, ghost of LaBelle, De La 499 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:49,720 Riviera, the Ribblet House, the good night ladies, the ghost of the Indigo Inn, um, the 500 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:58,040 old Kimbark Inn, guardian spirits of the woods, the ghosts of Manistee Forest, murder, mayhem 501 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:04,440 and madness, the ghost of Dugan Swamp, the mysterious girl in black, the Gothic ghost 502 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,560 of the trails. The girl in black is the one in New Wigo, right? Yeah. Yeah. This is all 503 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:15,600 in New Wigo County. Yeah. I meant that one. That's the one by the high school. Oh, I don't 504 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:33,280 know. 65. Yeah, I think it is. Yep. The one that got bit by a rattlesnake in our area 505 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:41,520 that has hardly any rattlesnake. Uh huh. Yeah. And they got screaming Ethel, the ghost of 506 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:51,040 Whiskeywood Hill. Um, it says John F Woods' house. So I think I've heard that one before 507 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:56,880 for some odd reason. Sounds familiar. Um, strange visitor, howling hell hound, the night 508 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:05,240 shift ghost of the old Grant Hospital. Um, little Fisher boy ghost of the Croton Dam. 509 00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:15,080 Wait, what's the ghost of the Grant Hospital? Cause my, uh, my family owned that. See. Hey, 510 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:23,960 look, they have the old wood, the old wood water tower. Because the, uh, the Grant Hospital, 511 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:31,360 that's where the current, uh, old person home is the one that was there. Yeah. The one right 512 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:38,380 there by the funeral home. So it, I bet you that ghost would still be around. I've never 513 00:52:38,380 --> 00:52:45,480 heard that story. It is in the 19th. It says this unnerving story is the only one of many 514 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:51,400 tales that have been told throughout the years of a former hospital in Grant, Michigan. The 515 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:57,920 hospital was built in the 1940s as Grant Community Hospital and was closed in 1983 as St. Mary's 516 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:08,640 Hospital and has been the site of an assisted living center since 1997. Yep. Um, it says 517 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:20,480 there's a whole lot of other stuff, ghostly, ghostly stuff of that. Um, it doesn't say 518 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:27,760 if she, if it was someone who died yet, but I haven't read all of it to it. It would be 519 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:33,640 going off. It's a proximity to the funeral home. I can tell you a lot of stories. Well, 520 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,520 I can't, there's a lot of stories from the funeral home that my family have kind of told 521 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,560 to each other throughout the years. So it'd be interesting to know how much of that carries 522 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:53,360 over into the hospital. Yes. There's Grant Hospital leading to a funeral home. So, yeah, 523 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,040 it's a, it's cool stuff. Like I said, we'll have to read, we'll have to do like reads 524 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:05,760 on this at one point. It'd be, uh, it'd be pretty cool. For sure. We definitely do that 525 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:10,200 like the month of October. That'd be kind of fun. Every episode in October starts with 526 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:15,200 the story of New York County. That would take a long time to read these stories. It might 527 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,720 be, it might be like a, yeah, it might be like a, maybe we do like a five minute, like 528 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:27,480 mini mini-sode, like mini-hazard or something where we just, where we just, one of us will 529 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,120 each will narrate one of them. Oh dude, that'd be, that'd actually be really cool. Just all 530 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:38,840 of October have like maybe record them all at one time, but then drop like a few a week. 531 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:45,960 So the listeners have more than two episodes a week. Yeah. That'd be cool. Right. For sure 532 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:51,560 dude. Yeah. Yeah. Well, now we have a plan for October. We have a plan for September. 533 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:58,680 We have nothing planned for next week or next month. Uh, yeah. I mean, we'll make it up 534 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:06,720 as we go. We have a power steering line to put on. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That was 535 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:11,780 some point. I guess anyone that replaces a rack of painting, you might as well replace 536 00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:19,520 your holes at the same time. Yeah. We have, uh, we have to put a hose clamp on the power 537 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:30,760 steering boot. Oh yeah. Well, I guess I did count as a trail fail. Damn it. I forgot. 538 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:37,560 Dude, I did that a while ago. So I've been driving that without a, a hose clamp on there 539 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,260 for a while. I think you broke it up more recently though. It would have been when we 540 00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:46,640 rebuilt it. Cause I didn't, I don't remember putting a hose clamp on there. I did them 541 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,320 on the black truck. It was definitely leaking. Cause I, I thought you had to do something. 542 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:56,240 You took it off cause you thought it might've been broken. That was before we rebuilt it 543 00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:02,520 again. I'm pretty sure I took it off recently, but I could be wrong. I had to replace inner 544 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:09,320 tie rods like two months before I, uh, broke the front end and had to rebuild it all again. 545 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:20,200 Yeah. Yup. Fun times in the, uh, first gen room. Uh, third gen. Third gen, right. But 546 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,560 yeah, that's, uh, that's about our hour there. So this is a good thought to wrap her up. 547 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:30,440 Alrighty. Well, it was good talking to everybody. You now know our plans. Don't steal them. 548 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,960 And, uh, we'll, we'll talk to you later. Later. Sure.