1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Hey, it's editor Alex coming at you 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:11,120 Almost a week after we recorded this episode. We all got really sick and then with all the 3 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:18,860 The getting ready to go down to see Benji at Midwest Adventure Outfitters and everything we had going on 4 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:24,400 Podcast just kind of fell to the wayside a little bit. We we won't be doing that to you guys again 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,300 So for all six of you that care here is 6 00:00:28,300 --> 00:00:34,820 Last week's episode a whole week late. We'll be getting back to our regular regular schedule starting this week 7 00:00:35,820 --> 00:00:41,260 Welcome to botches off-road join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to trail stories 8 00:00:41,540 --> 00:00:45,180 Tent camping to rock landing and all things to do with the outdoors 9 00:00:46,220 --> 00:00:49,620 It's just me and Mark today Gavin sick. He's got the old pneumonia 10 00:00:50,260 --> 00:00:55,300 Yeah, he feels better. I hope he feels better. He's gonna hear this too. Yeah 11 00:00:55,300 --> 00:00:57,300 Yeah 12 00:00:59,460 --> 00:01:00,980 Yeah, so 13 00:01:00,980 --> 00:01:05,420 We're going to Mayo. Yeah, Mayo for Simon's area. No fun 14 00:01:06,220 --> 00:01:07,740 Yeah 15 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:10,560 On the way home. We're gonna swing by and check out the arch 16 00:01:11,260 --> 00:01:12,740 Yep 17 00:01:12,740 --> 00:01:14,620 It'll it'll be good 18 00:01:14,620 --> 00:01:21,300 For anyone who doesn't know it's already I mean, I guess you could show up and get tickets because I guess he's doing that but 19 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:25,180 Our buddy Benji from newfound overland is opening a new shop 20 00:01:27,140 --> 00:01:31,660 It's gonna be an open house Saturday from noon to 3 21 00:01:31,660 --> 00:01:34,220 I think he said or noon to 5 something like that 22 00:01:34,220 --> 00:01:41,260 That sounds about right and then we're gonna have a little bit of a he set calls it a trail ride and then 23 00:01:41,820 --> 00:01:45,220 Clarified that it's not really a trail ride. It's a gravel road 24 00:01:46,660 --> 00:01:50,380 From his shop to a campground and then we're gonna do like a 25 00:01:50,380 --> 00:01:52,380 little friends giving 26 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:54,780 You know bring a dish there'll be turkey 27 00:01:55,980 --> 00:01:57,980 and then 28 00:01:58,900 --> 00:02:02,100 Live music and it'll be a party. Yep 29 00:02:03,780 --> 00:02:09,980 So we're gonna drive the old forerunner down there without any cruise control or any of those fancy 30 00:02:10,220 --> 00:02:14,700 Braking assists or those stuff that people expect from a modern car 31 00:02:15,340 --> 00:02:17,340 At night by the way at night 32 00:02:17,340 --> 00:02:19,340 Like eight at night 33 00:02:22,060 --> 00:02:26,300 We kind of I think most of us have used up our vacation time this year 34 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:32,540 So we're kind of nipping at the bite but just to get to do this do it in this weekend 35 00:02:32,540 --> 00:02:34,540 We're not any issues of work 36 00:02:35,020 --> 00:02:39,340 Yeah, I uh, I got two days left. So if we have to miss Monday 37 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:43,780 My boss would be very upset with me, but I could do it 38 00:02:43,780 --> 00:02:48,980 I'm out of any time. I mean, I might have a sick time, but I don't feel like playing that card right now 39 00:02:49,460 --> 00:02:52,260 Yeah, I don't even know if you'd had sick time, man. You're always sick 40 00:02:54,260 --> 00:02:56,260 Yeah 41 00:02:56,580 --> 00:02:59,620 It's a time of year sinuses, yeah 42 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:07,700 Yeah, so that's what's going on this weekend we did I did quite a bit of work getting ready for that 43 00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:15,300 I'll kind of let so for anyone who doesn't know i've been building out a packout system a milwaukee packout 44 00:03:16,020 --> 00:03:22,740 I'm bypassing the idea of doing drawers because what i'd like to do is have multiple different loadouts 45 00:03:23,220 --> 00:03:24,740 That all I have to do 46 00:03:24,740 --> 00:03:29,940 Is grab a box click it into the system and go something that can cover a day trip 47 00:03:30,660 --> 00:03:32,660 Three day trip 48 00:03:32,660 --> 00:03:40,660 Seasonal whatever um, right now we've got i've got a cooler on a packout slider 49 00:03:40,980 --> 00:03:42,980 Oh a packout cooler on a packout slider 50 00:03:43,700 --> 00:03:50,660 And i've got the kitchen that me and mark made which will we'll get into that in a little bit. That's pretty 51 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:57,220 The kitchen will actually end up staying in mark's truck long term because you know, first of all, it's a 52 00:03:57,220 --> 00:04:04,740 I'm not going to go the kitchen will actually end up staying in mark's truck long term because you know third gen forerunner. There's no space 53 00:04:05,460 --> 00:04:10,740 Yeah, and then i've got a packout excel that stores all my tools 54 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:13,300 um 55 00:04:14,180 --> 00:04:17,460 And all the mounts to go with it to hold them in the truck 56 00:04:18,260 --> 00:04:25,540 Uh, they make a little noise not as much as I thought they would but we'll we'll get through it. Yeah, let's go to here 57 00:04:25,540 --> 00:04:27,540 Um 58 00:04:28,340 --> 00:04:30,340 So yeah, i've got 59 00:04:30,740 --> 00:04:36,260 I got quite a few packouts going i've moved my battery from under the hood to a packout in the back 60 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:38,980 and then 61 00:04:38,980 --> 00:04:40,020 um 62 00:04:40,020 --> 00:04:42,020 I put a new steering wheel on 63 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:45,540 fancy new carbon fiber with gold flex steering wheel 64 00:04:46,740 --> 00:04:48,740 It uh eliminated my 65 00:04:49,780 --> 00:04:52,040 I'm sorry everybody. My dogs are obnoxious 66 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:58,120 It uh eliminated my cruise control sadly, but my cruise control didn't work anyway, so who needs it? Yeah 67 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,200 it uh eliminated my clock spring so my 68 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,040 Uh blinkers don't reset on their own anymore 69 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:14,760 That that sucks, yeah, and now i've got an airbag light on but man does it look sick 70 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,760 It does 71 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,880 I know it's not your style, but man does it look sick. Hey, like I said, I never actually 72 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,280 I think i've never seen real carbon fiber. I've always seen the imitation stuff 73 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,640 So it was always like I don't like the looks of it and of course, it's all the imitation stuff 74 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:39,080 So I was never a big fan of how it looked but after seeing a real carbon fiber, it looks really good 75 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,560 Yeah, I also don't like imitation carbon fiber 76 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,520 It just it always looks cheesy like a sticker everywhere 77 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,520 Yeah 78 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,120 Yeah, that I will say the steering wheel was kind of dumb 79 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:59,080 I didn't want to buy a new oem steering wheel because they're like 300 bucks 80 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:02,920 Mine was really torn and was just falling apart on me 81 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,800 So I was like, oh well if I get this carbon fiber wheel I can save some money 82 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:14,040 Well, little did I know it was going to cost me about that much money to get the carbon fiber wheel 83 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,040 to work in my truck 84 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,040 Yeah 85 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,920 It looks sick 86 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,920 It does look sick 87 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,440 It'll look way better. It'll look way better when I get the racing seats in 88 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,920 Yeah, it would 89 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:37,400 Just uh slowly replace all that old toyota interior that's crumbling around me with nice aftermarket stuff 90 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,760 Hey, at least you're fitting your racer aesthetics now 91 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,800 Yeah, you know, I gotta fit with that sticker bomb man. I gotta do it 92 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,640 Yeah, no 93 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,080 It'll be a good trip the uh, the packout mounts are 94 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:03,640 They're pretty slick. I got those from off-road anonymous. I mean, they're just a sheet of metal. That's been 95 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,960 Laser cut so I guess there's not much to talk about there. No, what? 96 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,000 Things clicking nice things stay put where they need to be 97 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,800 and I think 98 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,400 For the third gen platform, you know, we don't have a lot of space to begin with without removing our seats 99 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,400 But I need my seats. Yeah 100 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:27,480 For the third gen platform, I think this is the best way I've found to make use of space 101 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,120 You can build out some complicated drawer system 102 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:38,120 Uh, it's gonna end up costing about the same but then you lose the ability to just remove 103 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,680 Individual boxes as you want to or need to 104 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:47,400 The other thing i'm not a huge fan of having a kitchen integrated into the truck 105 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,120 I get the appeal but half the time. I don't want to cook at my truck 106 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,200 I want to cook in front of the campfire. I want to cook, you know where everyone's hanging out 107 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:03,480 So having a kitchen kind of like the one we just built and we'll get into that now 108 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,920 Yeah 109 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:11,240 Having a kitchen that is removable but can still be used in the truck when necessary. That was really important to me 110 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,240 So what we ended up coming up with 111 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,120 It's what a two drawer pack out and a three drawer pack out 112 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,400 Yep, so the three drawer is a little bit smaller. The two drawers are bigger and 113 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:32,440 Everything just kind of fits in there. We've got place for plates. We got place for utensils. We got plates or places for bowls cups 114 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,720 An entire drawer for coffee 115 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,640 Yeah 116 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,680 And then we picked up 117 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,400 a 118 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:50,760 fire maple fire maple. Yep fire maple. We picked up a fire maple 119 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,480 isobutane 120 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,040 water boiler and a burner for it so we can use it as a grill 121 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,440 So, I mean for 122 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,800 Individual, you know individual to two-person trips. It's kind of ideal set up that way 123 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,680 Eventually, we plan on picking up a two-person 124 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:12,040 Clamshell stove kind of like the uh 125 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,960 The jet boil 126 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,720 Genesis cam? Yeah, I think you're right. I think it's a jet boil genesis 127 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,160 Yes, jet boy genesis. That's as she sounds right now 128 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,960 So eventually we'll get something along those lines probably not a jet boil because we're broke boys 129 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,200 Yeah 130 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,200 We're not a jet boil 131 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,920 Yeah, we spent a lot of money putting this just the pack out kitchen together 132 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,040 So I I was adding it up. I've got like 133 00:09:42,660 --> 00:09:45,960 1100 of packouts in the back of my truck right now 134 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,000 Yeah, that is wild 135 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:56,680 You know if I compare that to say a drawer system and drawer system do you like 1100 bucks 136 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,240 And then i'm tied to the truck. I can't just pull it out 137 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,720 When I want, you know with 138 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:09,960 With this kitchen we built it's the two drawer systems and then we've got uh 139 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:19,080 Um tabletops that flip up on either side and then there's one on the top so it gives a decent size counter 140 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,800 Looks like a giant t 141 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:28,680 I'll uh, i'll have to put put pictures for chapter. Yeah. Yeah, you have to put some pictures pictures of all your packouts 142 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:30,680 in the back there and 143 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,600 Did you we're also going to pick up a normal size pack out 144 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,040 Yep 145 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:45,320 Because we need those drawers to be off the ground just just like five inches five to six inches would be perfect. Yep 146 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,120 Just put it that perfect height for cooking on top of that fire maple 147 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:52,840 but yeah, it's 148 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,840 The the idea of using packouts kind of looks like a 149 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,480 The idea of using packouts kind of formed when I needed a way 150 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,120 to store my battery 151 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:10,760 While keeping it somewhat waterproof and having it stay in place in the back of my truck 152 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:17,320 Because yeah, I like to go underwater and I like to uh 153 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,920 You know be at extreme angles and that's just 154 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:26,360 It's not ideal when i've got a crappy third gen battery hold down trying to hold down a battery 155 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,840 Yeah 156 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:31,560 That was there was 157 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,760 So there were what three or four times that battery fell down on my fan 158 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,760 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I forgot about that. Especially when you totally forget about putting the bungee cord on. Yep. Yep 159 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:48,040 I don't know. I don't know what toyota was thinking because underneath that battery, right? 160 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,920 Yeah, there's like no support whatsoever. Oh, no, none. It's a rounded tire 161 00:11:53,560 --> 00:12:00,200 Cover your inner wheel well, and then they put this tiny little thin piece of flexible plastic underneath it 162 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,680 and then you just kind of wedge the battery between the front grill and the 163 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,640 the inner fender well, yeah 164 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,400 and 165 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,200 No one puts their battery hold down back on 166 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,680 I've got two third gens in my yard. Well, technically three 167 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:22,200 Third gens in my yard right now. Yeah, all three of them have bungee cords to hold the battery down 168 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Today I would say you technically have two and a half. I mean take 169 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,720 I would say two and a half, but all of the crawler is in the yard 170 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,760 True. You're not rough not put together. Yeah, so I guess it's still three 171 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,840 Yeah, that poor old crawler man 172 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:50,680 But uh, yeah, so I mean that's what started this whole thing and then we got looking at it and they've got a pack out for every situation 173 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:58,280 They've got packouts with drawers. They've got packouts with organized tools. They've got a pack out med kit 174 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,080 They like it you name it. You can probably find it for pack out and 175 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:09,720 The community the pack out community is really big. There's all these 3d printed stuff. You can buy for it 176 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,000 There's all these 3d printed stuff you can buy for it and 177 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:14,920 Yep 178 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,960 I know you don't see packouts on overland rigs a lot 179 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,760 and I know that 180 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,080 I think of like four to five videos on 181 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,640 um, yeah youtube that is 182 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:31,720 People are off-grid camping slash overlanding and they have packouts, but it's still not that big yet 183 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,160 And when you look at the price of a packout, you're like, wow, that's a lot of money 184 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,160 But then if you look for a comparable 185 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,720 Overland style box to put stuff in for the same size 186 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,720 You're looking at three four hundred dollars per box 187 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,920 Well a packout is 150 tops 188 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,480 170 for the drawers 189 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Yeah, depending what you're looking at 190 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:00,280 I know pelicans are one that most people go with and they're expensive and then you got their mounting solution 191 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,440 Which is about as much for the pelican case 192 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,280 Or you just get a packout that mostly has a 193 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:11,400 Mounting system built in as long as you get one mount you can mount multiples on top of it. Yep 194 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,120 I mean it 195 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Honestly to me it's ideal 196 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,120 It is 197 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:24,520 And I wouldn't go with milwaukee's mount to put in your truck off-road anonymous makes a good one 198 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,720 There's a bunch of people printing them or cutting them out on etsy 199 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,480 Yeah, I mean 200 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,600 Yeah, I mean the packout community is just massive and there's so many little 201 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,120 I was gonna say ding-dongs, but there really are ding-dongs you can get for the packout like 202 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,200 Everything you can think of i'm sure you can find someone who can make it 203 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:52,520 Oh, yeah, there's tons of people out there. I mean they've there's middle fingers that mount into the packout 204 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,200 Yeah 205 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,480 Just to me 206 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,640 I don't I could see it being something that in the next two to three years 207 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,200 The overlaying community is really going to start adopting. Oh, yeah, because like 208 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,360 You did like the drawers that came with your forerunner when you first got 209 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,320 I wasn't the biggest fan when we had to take them out because you didn't want them in for 210 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,120 Round when you're traveling to work and stuff 211 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,320 Didn't want it. I got it, but it was a pain to set up. I mean, yeah, it was homemade 212 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,400 so it's a little more bulky than some of the 213 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,400 nicer ones out there, but 214 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,800 And that one is still bulky 215 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,920 That one was well made. I know it was 216 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,240 um, you know that the only issue was that 217 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:44,200 The sliding system that they've got that they had put on that was absolute fucking dog shit. Yeah 218 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,760 It it would take almost my body weight. I'm not a small guy. I'm 270 pounds 219 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,400 Like I'm not little and I was probably 300 pounds then 220 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:56,760 And it would take almost my body weight to open these drawers, especially if I had tools in them 221 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:57,960 Yeah 222 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,840 And I couldn't just tell my wife. Yeah, go get what you need out of the truck because she couldn't open the drawers 223 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,280 And then on top of that they took up 224 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,920 What 10 to 12 inches of space from the floor up? 225 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,880 So there was nowhere to set stuff on top because it was already eating up half my cargo space 226 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,000 it just 227 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,520 The drawers are cool. If your truck is only going to be used 228 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,600 For the purpose of over landing a drawer system makes sense 229 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,720 Yeah, but if you're like me, I daily drive this thing 230 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:37,000 And I need to be able to store farm tools. I need to be able to store, you know fixing truck tools 231 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,920 I store all that stuff and a drawer just doesn't work for me in that sense 232 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:42,840 No 233 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:48,920 I mean our thing is is that one you're gonna we're gonna make it where we can each individual 234 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,720 We can have this giant setup for each style of camping we want to do. Yep 235 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,360 We kind of done that previously with our giant 236 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,760 Military surplus containers. So but those required your truck 237 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,520 Yes, those required my truck we could at least put one of yours one of them in yours at the time 238 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,000 But it was just so big and you didn't like it 239 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:14,120 I had to fold down the back seats. Where do my dogs sit? I forgot. I forgot about that 240 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:18,920 I thought you were able to fit at least one barely in there, but I forgot your hatch was 241 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,560 Just right where you couldn't fit it 242 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,960 Yeah, that was when I was and if I had the drawers in I couldn't fit it 243 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:28,680 Yeah, and we had like three big containers 244 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:30,520 and 245 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,480 No, we did do four forgot. Oh, yeah four in total 246 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,520 But when we were camping we were like, oh, yeah, we're gonna do four 247 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,560 Yeah four in total, but when we were camping we had three in the back of the truck that first and they were just 248 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,560 We'd get to wherever we're going. We had to take them out at every campsite 249 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:48,280 Yeah, it just it was a pain 250 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:54,360 It was convenient. It was really nice having all packed and watertight, but it was 251 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,000 When we did that first trip, um 252 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,760 From keweenaw down into wisconsin on the seven hour plane crash door trail or whatever 253 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,880 Those containers were fantastic 254 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:12,760 Oh, yeah, they were they were perfect for that trip. We'd get to camp. We'd open up the one with our bedding and tents in it 255 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:16,360 We'd pop up our tents 256 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,920 Throw our bedding in close that container 257 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:25,400 Then we would use that container to cook on we'd open up the kitchen one set it right next to it pull out the stove 258 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:29,480 Everything was right there ready to go easy to use. Yep 259 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:32,360 But the longer that we used it 260 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:37,400 We were repacking each container for every single trip because every trip was different 261 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,920 Maybe it was just me and mark going maybe it was me mark and his brother going maybe it was me mark 262 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,920 His brother and my wife 263 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:51,880 Yeah, no, so every trip required different stuff that had to be in the containers. So I would spend a week 264 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:55,720 Packing these containers getting ready to go on a trip. Yes 265 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,280 but 266 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,840 You were at work, how could I 267 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,720 You were at work. How could I expect you to help? I know 268 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,400 It just it 269 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,640 It wasn't a bad solution 270 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,760 I just think that the packouts are the going to be a much better solution a lot more expensive 271 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,640 We had what a hundred dollars into those four containers 272 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,340 Yeah, yeah, those were inexpensive 273 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,680 We had to watch them 274 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:30,680 Demilitarize them before the brackets that were in and that was way more than what we put in the half the time 275 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,800 Oh, yeah, it was so funny. We'd get these we got these boxes and they're so heavy 276 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:39,560 And then we'd take the brackets out of the middle and they're like a quarter of the way 277 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:42,360 Yes 278 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:45,960 Oh 279 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,560 Yeah, i'm definitely 280 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,560 I'm glad that we're moving away from that system and towards something a lot more modular 281 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,800 yes 282 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:54,840 and 283 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,840 you know the ability to just 284 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,280 Like say the way it's set up right now because you know, we're getting ready to go to mayo. We're only taking one truck 285 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,200 So we've got 286 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,200 One box in xl that's filled to the top with tools. It's got every tool 287 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,160 Almost every tool we should need on this trip 288 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,280 Hey, it's uh editor alex again, we definitely did end up having to buy tools for this trip 289 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,400 um 290 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,560 Should not have said that we had almost every tool we would need because I definitely ended up having to buy some 291 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,360 We've got a cooler because obviously we need a cooler 292 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:29,960 Yes 293 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,960 And then we've got the kitchen 294 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,240 now 295 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,760 Nine times out of ten the kitchen is going to be in mark's truck. Not mine, but 296 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:43,800 Because we're only taking one truck and it's a modular system. We take out the excess that we don't need and we throw the kitchen in 297 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,640 Yep 298 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,360 And we could we could never have done that with the big totes. No, we can never done it with the big totes 299 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,120 Quite honestly if we still had them and we didn't even think about the packout system 300 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,800 We were going to try and figure out how in the world we were going to get our camping gear just for you me without 301 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,520 Having a whole bunch of stuff sprung all over your truck just for this trip 302 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,840 Yeah, exactly 303 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,040 and 304 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,560 you know 305 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,560 The one argument i've heard 306 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:17,160 Gavin is that the packouts themselves take up space and they do but in my opinion 307 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,960 It's organized space and there's something to be said about a space being organized over 308 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,200 You know clutter 309 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,480 No, yeah 310 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:32,360 I mean, yeah, we're gonna maybe have a little bit of dead space, which is gonna be some minor issue for someone out there 311 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,680 But at the same time when you think of most system you're gonna have a dead space somewhere 312 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,720 Like you just can't figure out what to use with and I mean again, you know nine times out of ten 313 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,720 We go camping we find a campsite 314 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,760 We set up camp we take everything out of the truck and then we go find hard shit to crawl 315 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:54,680 Yep, that's the other benefit of this is that we don't have the added weight with us all the time 316 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,840 We can have it left at camp 317 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,920 As long as we're doing that type of style 318 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:04,200 Where we have base camp we can have it all just sit there at camp and we go wheeling in the local area 319 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:10,280 But then if we do decide to do a true overland move every night trip it can stay in the truck 320 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,600 Oh, yeah is added weight 321 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,920 So it can do either, you know, either route works without having to 322 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,920 Build multiple systems. Yeah, like I said we we've been through this 323 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,160 We think this is going to be a great system for you and me to work with 324 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,280 we'll love to introduce it more into 325 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,640 The rest of our local group that we wheel with to see what they think 326 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,680 I know a couple of them have packouts. I know a lot of times they 327 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,320 Like I think um geo 328 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,120 Right. Yeah geo. Yeah 329 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,640 I know he mostly doing gardening 330 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:51,480 So i'm assuming the packouts he had was for gardening more than anything like because he works with his truck at work all the time 331 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:58,760 Right. Well, i'm sure he can probably do the same system like us. I just know that he has a lot storage in his already 332 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:04,440 Yeah, his truck has a boatload of storage. Yeah, and it's a truck. So there's that 333 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,440 No, no, man, I really think that 334 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,360 uh 335 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:15,960 The overlaying community like I said the next couple years we're gonna see packouts really take off. Oh, yeah 336 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,720 Like I said, I think I showed you that showed you the video. There's like a 337 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,440 Yeah, I know it's a japanese 338 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,400 Video, but a lot of them have their vans fully decked out with these backouts 339 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,720 And so that's probably the extreme way of using packouts 340 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,080 But there's just have so much storage from just doing that and it's insane 341 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:39,320 and 342 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,120 You know even let's say a roof rack 343 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:48,840 So maybe instead of having to tie stuff down you just put some packout mounts and you just click your packouts in 344 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,640 Yep, it just 345 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,840 You know it really 346 00:23:52,840 --> 00:24:01,800 And there's so many things I mean packout has like i've got that water bottle where you can have packout cup holders and it just twists into the cup holder like there 347 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,240 There's so much that can be done with a packout 348 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,960 Oh, yeah 349 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:15,720 And we're seeing you know, there's our kitchen there's people that have cut the uh top of a packout out and mounted a stove into it 350 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,040 like 351 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,880 That was there's a there's some wild chunks of stuff 352 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,600 Some wild chuck boxes being built out of these packouts man. Yeah, there is like I said 353 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,120 It's still semi-new a lot of these videos that i've seen are like a year to two years old 354 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,760 or even less 355 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,520 but slowly getting introduced to people using it at least 356 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,040 On internet wise you see people using them 357 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,240 Uh, I know there's tons of mounting solution for Tacoma's as you know 358 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,600 Like for instance you got back seats 359 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,600 mounting plates for the rear seats 360 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,520 I'm gonna at least do one of them. I'm not gonna do the whole thing because we declare that 361 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,000 Without ripping seats out. I can't put the bigger 362 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,920 crates in 363 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:10,120 So we're just gonna do one side and just do what I need in the cab at the time and the rest is gonna be in the bed of my truck 364 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:17,480 Gonna get the same mounts actually speaking amounts. My mount came in today my one plate. Oh, I forgot. I got you to order 365 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,440 Yes, you did. You're you are a bad influence. I am such a good 366 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,880 So we'll have to get that centered in your truck so we can put the kitchen in there 367 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,440 Yeah, we next weekend not this weekend. Yeah, this weekend's a little busy 368 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,760 We're about to drive, you know 1300 miles around trip 369 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,920 Is that more than the seven hour plane crash trail trip? I mean down and back. Yes, it probably would be more 370 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,880 But I think our whole trip last time was about 1200 miles. Okay 371 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,720 So we're gonna be at about the same that last trip was the farthest we've 372 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,800 Yeah, that last trip was the farthest we've ever driven the forerunner 373 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,960 Yes 374 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,520 And we have done so much maintenance on it since then 375 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,160 Yes, a lot of maintenance 376 00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:09,220 especially on the trip 377 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,220 Okay, listen my lower ball 378 00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:14,220 Oh 379 00:26:16,540 --> 00:26:21,900 Of course we did we did those lower ball joints just before that trip too. Yes we did 380 00:26:23,260 --> 00:26:25,260 stupid toyota 381 00:26:26,540 --> 00:26:34,140 Yeah, I mean sorry, uh, I know last week we didn't put out a video um, I was I was really sick I had a 382 00:26:34,780 --> 00:26:39,260 really infected thumb that was giving me all sorts of secondary infections and it just 383 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:45,420 Sounds pathetic to say my thumb was infected and that's why I didn't record but like I I could not think but 384 00:26:45,980 --> 00:26:51,180 Anyways guys, um, I know this is a short and sweet one. Hopefully we have more when we get back from mayo and 385 00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:58,540 Hopefully, uh Gavin's feeling better and he can come back on and spend some time with us. Yep. I hope he feels better 386 00:26:58,540 --> 00:27:09,260 I hope he feels better. Catch you guys later. Later