1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:18,220 Welcome to Botches Off Road. 2 00:00:18,220 --> 00:00:22,280 Join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, tent camping to 3 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,400 rock climbing, and all things to do with the outdoors. 4 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,600 Today we're going to have a little cryptid mini-sode. 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,880 I'm going to talk about my cryptid hunt, how that went. 6 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,640 We're going to talk about some of the local stories, some of the local cryptids that are 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:36,640 in Michigan. 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,760 And yeah, I'll start off a little bit. 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:46,520 We did a cryptid hunt up in Wexford County, and that went pretty well. 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:52,880 We got up Thursday night to secure a camp spot on the river around the area of where 11 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,720 Dogman was first spotted. 12 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:03,040 We stayed Thursday night by ourselves, and it was kind of eerie, but nothing really happened. 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,760 Just one of those nights where it was really, really quiet. 14 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,760 There was no wind. 15 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,840 There was no animals. 16 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,520 There was no trees moving. 17 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,640 And I think those are the scarier types of nights when you don't have anything going 18 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,800 on and it's just silent. 19 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,880 That sounds like you were about to get murdered there, friend. 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:31,200 Yeah, I mean, we were a little on edge because of that. 21 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,800 New spot, we got there in the middle of the night. 22 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,520 We got there at about 11 p.m. 23 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,400 And we had everything set up. 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,840 The kid was in the tent. 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:46,360 And the only thing you could hear was the water from the river, but absolutely everything 26 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,920 else was dead silent. 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,460 And you don't hear that when you're out camping in the woods a lot. 28 00:01:51,460 --> 00:01:54,000 So I was a little on edge. 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,040 I was packing, so I wasn't super worried. 30 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,920 But it's always just weird. 31 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:04,500 It's a little, I don't know, off. 32 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:12,720 We got up in the morning after, I don't know, pretty quiet night, nothing really happening. 33 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:20,080 And we went into town, grabbed a couple of things, did some trails on the way and met 34 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:27,560 everybody at an off road stop, the US 131 road park. 35 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,760 First you got a call from your friendly Alex. 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,240 I did. 37 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,960 Yes. 38 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,160 I don't remember what we talked about, but I was talking to you when people started showing 39 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:42,400 up at that off road at that turn or that parking area. 40 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,560 I don't even remember. 41 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,920 I do remember you calling now. 42 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:48,640 I don't remember what it was about. 43 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:51,640 I think you were just trying to chat and see what I was doing. 44 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:53,320 You were like, oh, you're out camping. 45 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,320 I'm like, yeah, I'm already out, dude. 46 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,440 Yeah, I think you were seeing what I was doing. 47 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,440 Yeah, probably. 48 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,440 I was probably bored. 49 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,440 Yeah. 50 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,720 That's how it happens with Alex. 51 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:15,680 So yeah, we were at the off road park, or off road park, roadside park, and we did introductions. 52 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:23,320 I introduced myself, my wife and my son, and we met Chris and Jen. 53 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:32,320 Chris has a pretty well built out Jeep Wrangler, a little overbuilt from Michigan, if I was 54 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,720 to say. 55 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,800 And he had a little overlanding trailer with him, which was very well built as well. 56 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,640 We talked about. 57 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,280 I was looking at that thing. 58 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,800 That is for overlanding. 59 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,480 That is pretty well built out. 60 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:55,880 Yeah, it's a manual, has manual windows, manual, everything else. 61 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:03,680 He tried to take out as much electronics as he could to stop any issues from electronics 62 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,280 happening. 63 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,640 So that was pretty cool. 64 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,640 We talked to him. 65 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,760 We talked about this little trailer, what his setup was. 66 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:15,660 He had a cool little diesel heater and a rooftop tent on his trailer. 67 00:04:15,660 --> 00:04:19,360 We talked about what I had a little bit, and then we talked about just the basic overview 68 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:26,120 of what we planned on doing, which was going back to camp, setting up our tents, which 69 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,200 we already had. 70 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:34,240 And then I was, of course, have to pick up her dad later and drive him over there. 71 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:40,320 And then we were going to hit some trails maybe later that day, just to take some time 72 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:47,480 up and probably do a night ride and then do trails all Saturday, leave on Sunday morning 73 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:53,820 and go to the Trunker Treat in Hudsonville for the Riggs coffee. 74 00:04:53,820 --> 00:04:58,360 That worked out pretty good other than seeing his dad getting lost and going to the wrong 75 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,360 road stop. 76 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:05,200 He borrowed his little Buick back there and we parked that at base camp and he came and 77 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,000 rode with us. 78 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,840 And that was the first time he had gone camping in 35 some years. 79 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:11,840 Wow. 80 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:18,240 So yeah, he bought a tent that he bought 10 years ago at the outside of the tent. 81 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,600 It was a summer Coleman tent. 82 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:27,820 And the outside of the tent, like the bag looked old as fuck. 83 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:30,520 The inside looked brand new. 84 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:31,520 It was crazy. 85 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:38,400 He brought some of his old sleeping bags that were also just as old. 86 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,040 And we gave him our air mattress and he just he did just fine. 87 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,280 He took a lot of pictures. 88 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:46,240 He really enjoyed it. 89 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,340 We got up Saturday morning. 90 00:05:49,340 --> 00:05:56,120 We did a crap ton of trails and then our buddy Mitch joined us later at about 3am, you know, 91 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,320 Friday night. 92 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:05,960 He was at a rally for his job and that didn't end until like one or two. 93 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,680 So he came right out after he was done, like he said he would and set up his alucab on 94 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,620 his Tacoma and stayed there. 95 00:06:14,620 --> 00:06:20,120 We got up in the morning and we started hitting some trails with the end result trying to 96 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,840 be getting down to some of the blue trails. 97 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:28,280 I want to say down. 98 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:32,280 I would gosh, I don't even know where this is by Lake Gitche Gumee. 99 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:39,160 And this again in our names, man, I tell you, that's what it is. 100 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,560 I'm sticking to it. 101 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,960 Lake Gitche Gumee. 102 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,200 So we did some trails. 103 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,320 Nothing really crazy in the Walton area. 104 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,360 Just pretty much two tracks. 105 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:57,640 Took some regular dirt roads because you have to cross the Manistee River and there's really 106 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,500 not a lot of bridges to get across. 107 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:03,920 So we found a couple of bridges. 108 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,200 We found a one lane bridge that was really cool to go on. 109 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,080 And then we did a bunch of the trails down there. 110 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:20,840 We did Hart Creek Trail, Rooted River Trails, Twin Lakes Trail Loop, a couple of them there. 111 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,280 And then we did that blue trail, which it was high rollaway river loop. 112 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,240 And honestly, it was super boring. 113 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,000 It's a blue trail and it should have been not even a blue. 114 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,920 It should have been like just a forest road. 115 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:39,860 But like most of Michigan trails, as Mark and I were talking earlier, they're probably 116 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:44,400 rated in the spring where they are going to be a lot harder. 117 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:51,140 So I'm sure it was hard at one point, but it was kind of a letdown. 118 00:07:51,140 --> 00:07:58,800 We did do number 19 road, which is pretty fun and nothing crazy either. 119 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,000 But it was just a lot of fun to go do that. 120 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,800 And I think that was the one with the really steep decline. 121 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,560 That thumbs up my alley. 122 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,900 Yeah, it was really steep decline. 123 00:08:08,900 --> 00:08:09,900 And then it's a one way. 124 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:12,200 So you actually have to turn around and go back up it. 125 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Oh, yeah. 126 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,080 Chris was going up in his manual and he hit a rock and his wheels just started turning 127 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:25,640 and I thought maybe he had stalled out, but he actually had to just put it in the four. 128 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:33,360 So it's not so crazy that it's so they I mean, I had it in four wheel because I was kind 129 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:47,440 of nervous for no other reason than it's probably 100 yards decline, pretty sharp. 130 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:52,240 What you're telling me is whoever marked as the blue trail did it in a lifted Prius. 131 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:53,240 Yeah. 132 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,240 OK. 133 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,240 Right. 134 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:00,760 I roll away for sure that that trail there in the winter. 135 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,520 I would not do that trail. 136 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,000 You would not catch me dead on that trail. 137 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:12,960 The right side of that trail as you're going down is like a couple hundred feet drop. 138 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:13,960 It's scary as fuck. 139 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:19,160 It's like it's almost cliff edge if it wasn't for all the trees and stuff and the fact that 140 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,480 the hills going straight down. 141 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,320 But it's pretty scary. 142 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,620 Sienna was looking down on the side and was like, all right, that's gnarly. 143 00:09:28,620 --> 00:09:34,160 Looking up, it wasn't as bad, but doing it in the winter, one mess up, you hit a rock 144 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,920 that goes wrong or something like that. 145 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,520 You could really screw up, not really put your rig into some trouble. 146 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,760 So, Mark, that sounds like the trail we need to hit this winter. 147 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:50,600 Yeah, I can show you that I will stay up top as safety advisor and safety officer and will 148 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,640 watch with my phone. 149 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:58,280 I bet I wouldn't be surprised if the DNR shuts it down for snowmobile use, though. 150 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,280 It might. 151 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,280 Yeah. 152 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,520 A lot of trails in Michigan, they're dual use. 153 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,720 They're good for us in the summer, fall and spring, but then come winter time, it's all 154 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,520 groomed snowmobile trails. 155 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:10,520 Yeah. 156 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:11,520 It is. 157 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,520 Michigan gets a lot of tourism for snowmobile trails. 158 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,440 When we have snow. 159 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,480 Yeah, when we actually have snow. 160 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,480 Yeah. 161 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,040 But it was good. 162 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,560 Other than that, and like I said, we found a water crossing and I found some really cool 163 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:32,000 trails that were not really a part of any other trail. 164 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,720 Just me going and bebopping off the side. 165 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,280 We found some cool stuff. 166 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:38,280 Nothing really crazy. 167 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,640 We got back at camp that night. 168 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,640 We were all really tired. 169 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:47,000 I mean, we literally spent from 10 to five, we were out there wheeling. 170 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,480 So very, you know, it was a pretty long day for just wheeling around and everything. 171 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,000 And we were all pretty tired. 172 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,960 And we were supposed to do the night ride that night and we honestly, we were just like, 173 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,960 dude, we're all tired. 174 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,320 It's getting really cold and it's getting dark quick. 175 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,200 And we're like, we haven't even eaten dinner. 176 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:09,680 So we actually forgoed the night ride. 177 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:12,800 Did you find dog man? 178 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,240 Yes, no, we didn't. 179 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,120 So as we were talking about him, actually, it got really creepy. 180 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,120 We were talking around the campfire. 181 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:29,320 We were talking about the different types of dog man, because I guess you could really 182 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,120 compare dog man with skin walker, dog man with. 183 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,120 Yep. 184 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,120 I'm sorry. 185 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:42,400 Windigo's and walkers are, I believe. 186 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,120 Sorry to anybody if I'm wrong, but skin walkers are more pointed towards the Navajo tribe, 187 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:52,800 whereas windigo's have their are kind of the off branch off of that. 188 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:53,940 That's they're separated. 189 00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:58,060 So skin walkers were made in their own certain way. 190 00:11:58,060 --> 00:12:01,820 There's a couple of different theories. 191 00:12:01,820 --> 00:12:09,760 Some people say that they were medicine men who would transition to animals to travel 192 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:15,960 to one of the four great mountains to get their medicine and travel back. 193 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,400 And they would transition to animals and get stuck. 194 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:26,800 So in our area, it would probably be considered a windigo. 195 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:33,800 Windigo's originate from the I'm going to slaughter this name, the Elgon Queens, Elgo 196 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,720 Queens, something like that. 197 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:44,080 They're indigenous North American groups that were heavily in Canada and then Michigan, 198 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,440 their territory, very heavily encapsulated Michigan. 199 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,440 So yes. 200 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:49,440 Yeah. 201 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:58,200 So the way I've always understood the windigo was always based off of the cold winter and 202 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,880 lack of food, which led to cannibalism, which is the origin for the windigo. 203 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,360 Well, yeah, one of the main ones. 204 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,360 Yeah. 205 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:15,280 And so there are a couple of different theories of why indefinitely cannibalism being one 206 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,960 of them. 207 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,560 While we were out telling these stories, the campfire, it got really, really quiet. 208 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:23,000 We're right on the river. 209 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,640 And as soon as we stopped talking about it, and I mentioned talking and not bringing up 210 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,880 the name windigo. 211 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,760 So I said, you know what I'm talking about? 212 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,560 I said, I don't really like to say it much, but I'm talking about the windigo. 213 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:38,520 And they go, okay, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. 214 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,560 I said, okay, don't really like to say it much because I'm kind of a believer in like 215 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:45,880 names give power. 216 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,640 And right as I did that, a pack of coyotes right across the river sounded off. 217 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,920 And I mean, right across the river. 218 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,520 And we all jumped a little and I was like, it's okay. 219 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,480 You know, everything's good. 220 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:03,800 But there are some legends of and stories. 221 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,280 Nice crack. 222 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,920 Thank you. 223 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:17,040 Of windigo is actually traveling with coyotes to help disguise. 224 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:23,320 So it was really it's a good way for them to travel, travels and packs with the dogs. 225 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,160 Nobody suspects anything. 226 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:32,560 So when you hear a pack of coyotes and you hear a pack of coyotes sound off right as 227 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:38,560 you mentioned the name and not saying that you like to say it, it was definitely eerie. 228 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:39,560 You know, middle of the night. 229 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,800 Again, like I said, it was one of those quiet nights. 230 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,920 There was no wind really going on. 231 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,700 Kind of creepy, especially with it being as quiet as it was. 232 00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:53,240 So we didn't really hear anything else after I mentioned that we kind of changed topic. 233 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,760 We didn't really want to talk about it that much more. 234 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,480 We went to, you know, Bigfoot and then, you know, my sighting of Bigfoot, though I've 235 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,920 only had one that I believe is genuine. 236 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,320 So I don't know. 237 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,240 We woke up in the morning, nothing really weird going on, nothing really happening. 238 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,040 And we kind of left. 239 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,200 We saw a sign of Bigfoot. 240 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,460 So that kind of count. 241 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:24,000 But also later Saturday night, we saw what we thought was a UFO. 242 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:32,720 And then at that time, was classified as a UFO and we saw a bright light that seemed 243 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,560 extremely close. 244 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,840 Like what would an airplane, a low flying airplane would be. 245 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,920 It was a bright light and it had a dark middle part to it. 246 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:53,880 And then it had four or five, you know, lights, all the same color, nothing flashing. 247 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,520 And it was moving really slow. 248 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,280 We thought at first it was like a meteor. 249 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,880 But then we realized how slow it was moving across the sky. 250 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,080 And it is so kind of weird to us out. 251 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,320 We had no idea what it does. 252 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,880 We got a little bit of video of it. 253 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,720 And after chatting with a couple of people, Alex and Mark, they said, oh, it's got to 254 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,880 be the Starlink satellite. 255 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:21,200 So I'm like, no, it seemed like it was way too close for that. 256 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,080 They sent them the video and they go, oh, yeah, that's Starlink. 257 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,400 So it was funny. 258 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,240 It's really funny because we saw Starlink that same night. 259 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,200 Yeah, just way further away from us. 260 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,480 Or that's just what they want you to think. 261 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:37,480 Yeah. 262 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,760 I mean, how is the cover? 263 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:44,920 Well, I mean, how perfect is that of a response, though? 264 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,440 Like all the satellites that were just launched. 265 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,260 Well, right. 266 00:16:50,260 --> 00:16:52,240 It's such a convenient response. 267 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,560 And nowadays, everyone's going to believe it. 268 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:56,560 I don't know, man. 269 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,320 I don't trust the government that much. 270 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,320 You know what? 271 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,320 I think you're right. 272 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,000 It's definitely aliens and Starlink was created to just hide their existence. 273 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,880 I think Starlink's used to help hide their existence. 274 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,480 I think they're a good blame game for them. 275 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:19,840 Turns out Starlink actually has transceivers on the other direction talking to aliens. 276 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,960 That's the real reason that happened. 277 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,680 The whole reason it got launched in the first place was a communication device. 278 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,680 To alien. 279 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,280 So they can talk to them. 280 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,400 Really that's air traffic control for space. 281 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:43,240 And that's what each one of those satellites are, is they help with the air traffic control. 282 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:50,000 The earth gets all of its money from tourism, space tourism. 283 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,120 We're just not seeing any of it. 284 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:52,120 That's it. 285 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:53,120 We're just a zoo. 286 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:55,120 Yeah, that sounds about right, actually. 287 00:17:55,120 --> 00:18:01,000 Look at these stupid humans fighting amongst themselves. 288 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,760 No wonder Elon's so rich. 289 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:03,760 Yeah. 290 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,240 That's why he looks like an alien. 291 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,680 That's why him and Zuckerberg look like they're from a different planet. 292 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:17,360 Zuckerberg paid to catalog all the people in the world so that he could farm them out 293 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:18,360 too. 294 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:23,720 I'm pretty sure that Zuck is just a lizard person from within the earth. 295 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:28,920 I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure, was it Hillary Clinton? 296 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,800 Pretty sure. 297 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,280 Yeah. 298 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,400 Until I see otherwise, I'm convinced. 299 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:42,440 Taylor Swift is definitely a skinwalker. 300 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,800 I just think she made a deal with the wrong demon, dude. 301 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,820 I think she genuinely made a deal with a crossroads demon. 302 00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:53,240 He made a deal with a crossroads demon. 303 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,080 You never know nowadays. 304 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,360 I'm just picking one and going with it because you never know. 305 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:03,800 There's this whole conspiracy right now that Taylor Swift's actually a guy because she 306 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:04,800 has an Adam's apple. 307 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:05,800 Oh my gosh. 308 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,320 There's so many stupid conspiracy theories. 309 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,400 There's one about Lady Gaga too back when she became my friend. 310 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,400 I don't care. 311 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,400 I don't either. 312 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,400 They're just funny to me. 313 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:20,440 Well, yeah, no, the celebrities, they're just so far away from me that they just mean nothing. 314 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,080 I have local celebrities like Derek Finns-Bronson. 315 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,520 The Michigan's premier. 316 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:28,520 Overland. 317 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:29,520 Overland. 318 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,520 Or Derek Becker. 319 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:41,600 One of the owners of Midwest Four by Fours and also one of the hosts of Rigs and Coffee 320 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,420 in Hudsonville. 321 00:19:43,420 --> 00:19:47,480 The only person in Michigan who can use the Rigs and Coffee name. 322 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,480 Yeah. 323 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:55,480 So those are my local celebrities and there's nothing crazy dogmen about them except, I 324 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,440 don't know, Derek could be something. 325 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:58,440 I don't know. 326 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,640 Derek's probably a skinwalker. 327 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,440 I ain't gonna lie. 328 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,040 We'll have to get him on that one. 329 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:15,840 We'll do a blood prick and see if he responds. 330 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:22,520 But circling back to local stuff, I don't know how much you guys know about the whole 331 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,040 drudge and swamp thing in White Cloud. 332 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,040 No one does. 333 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,880 I have nothing about it. 334 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:28,880 No, no. 335 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,960 I say no one does and because I mean nobody listening will probably know. 336 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,880 I was asking the two of you specifically. 337 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:36,880 I know. 338 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,760 I just want to expand on that and be like, I don't think anybody knows. 339 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:46,200 I just heard about this and was like, interesting. 340 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,160 And of course, Alex has some kind of part in that. 341 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:57,640 So the dudge and swamp back in, man, I got to look up dates just to make sure I'm not 342 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:58,960 telling lies here. 343 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,000 The early 1900s. 344 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,720 1920 is when it really started. 345 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,160 There was a family called the Dudgeons that moved into an area in White Cloud that we 346 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,720 now know as the dudge and swamp. 347 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:20,880 The dudgeons, everyone hated them because they were rough and they always wanted to 348 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,080 fight. 349 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:32,840 That's important because it kind of seems like the community turned on them in a way. 350 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:38,880 The daughter had married a guy and then he ended up murdered and the whole community 351 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,200 just framed the dudgeons for this murder. 352 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:48,480 And of course, small town, however you want to look at it, that twisted into modern day. 353 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:59,360 Dudge and swamp is full of incest cannibalistic ghosts of this family who probably wasn't 354 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:03,000 cannibalistic and probably wasn't incest. 355 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Who knows? 356 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,680 I mean, if you think about it that early on, dudgeons, drudgeons, however you want to say 357 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:16,320 it, to me that sounds like they were rough and tumble Irish immigrants. 358 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,480 And that's the story I'm going to go with. 359 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,480 Oh, no. 360 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:26,280 Alice dudge and the mom, she was rough and tumble for sure. 361 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,040 She would get upset with somebody and then begin to poison them. 362 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,320 And that is documented. 363 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,400 The father, I cannot remember his name. 364 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,640 I want to, yeah, I can't remember the dad's name, but she, 365 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,280 ended up poisoning the dad and she ended up getting charged with his murder instead of 366 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:51,120 the murder of David Hodel, who was the daughter's husband that she had married. 367 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,040 So she was evil. 368 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,200 Oh yeah. 369 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,200 The mom was evil, man. 370 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,200 What did she poison with back then? 371 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,680 1920, there's so much you could poison with. 372 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,960 What was the well-known poison back then? 373 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,560 Just bleach, arsenic. 374 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,240 If I have another dream, when I talked to my great-great grandfather, who was the undertaker 375 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,440 at the time, I'm sure I could ask him. 376 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,440 Yeah. 377 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,360 Alex had a weird dream and of course he was connected in some way. 378 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:24,680 Then he fact-checked his dream and everything, almost everything was right, right? 379 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:25,680 Yeah. 380 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,680 Everything was right. 381 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:32,560 I mean, I had, and I asked my dad questions about the situation without telling him about 382 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,680 my dream and I had dates, right? 383 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,200 I had names, right? 384 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,000 I had the findings from the autopsies, right? 385 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,200 I mean, it was, to me, it was really scary, but my dad says I have an overactive imagination. 386 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,520 Well, you do, but I don't think that was part of it. 387 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,920 I think that was something else. 388 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,720 But I mean, Alex's family has been around since the beginning of this area. 389 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,600 So that's, you know, it's not, there's got to be some kind of history there. 390 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:11,880 I mean, and like I said, the drudging thing, if anybody has even thought about the witch 391 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,880 trials about this, it's so similar. 392 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,280 You just have to look at someone and know you don't like them. 393 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,240 And it takes one person to go, it's a witch or, you know, anything. 394 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:28,520 And it's not very hard to get a community to not like someone based off of, you know, 395 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,520 maybe the mom pushed someone at the store at one point or something. 396 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,000 You know, it's, yeah, especially in these small communities, it's not hard to turn anyone 397 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,360 against anyone. 398 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:40,840 It's really interesting. 399 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:46,720 If you look up dudge and swamp, there's a lot of different twists to the story. 400 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,720 And they all crack me up. 401 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,940 There's one, excuse me. 402 00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:58,640 There's one from a website called the post Kelvin.com, whatever that is. 403 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:04,640 And the way he tells the story, a disgruntled farmhand hung all seven members of the drudging 404 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:11,080 family, but we know that's not true because all the drudging or dungeon, dudge and family 405 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:18,760 just got out of prison, you know, in the like forties and fifties. 406 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,960 So they were in prison at one point. 407 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:22,960 Yep. 408 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,960 Yep. 409 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,960 Yep. 410 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,280 And they got out in the forties and fifties. 411 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,400 How many of them are in prison? 412 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,320 Was everyone, was it just mom? 413 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:36,240 Uh, like from, I know that, uh, Alice Meady, which is the daughter, they were both in prison. 414 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:43,140 And then the, uh, the two brothers got in, went to prison. 415 00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:46,640 One of them that got released early as having nothing to do with it. 416 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:52,400 The other one was an accessory to murder because he helped hide the body. 417 00:25:52,400 --> 00:26:03,440 Well, that's one of the very few of in what white cloud there's pretty, I don't know. 418 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,600 There's not really a lot of like crazy stories in Michigan, I guess, unless you'll go down 419 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:13,120 to the town level, but like there's a no way go, I know way go ghost in the, from the high 420 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,880 school there's, I mean, there's all sorts. 421 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:22,280 You'd talk to one person and I guess the drudging is probably one of the most popular other 422 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,760 than the dog, man in Michigan. 423 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,760 I don't know. 424 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,360 Is there any other popular cryptids in Michigan that you guys know of? 425 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:33,160 I really only know the dog, man. 426 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,000 There's one up deal with like superior from her correctly. 427 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,560 I just don't remember the name of it. 428 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,560 Yeah. 429 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,560 Oh, that ghost ship. 430 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,560 Oh, the ghost ship. 431 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,760 I was talking about like a cryptid. 432 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,760 There was another one. 433 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,000 Oh, I think I remember what you were talking about. 434 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,200 Um, I don't remember the name, but I think I'm, I don't remember the name either. 435 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,280 But that was a native lore and all that too. 436 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,280 Yeah. 437 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,080 And there's a whole lot of that too around here. 438 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,440 So I don't know. 439 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:09,600 I know that I'm pretty sure pretty a hundred percent, pretty 99 cent sure that big foot's 440 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,680 around in Michigan. 441 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:19,160 And I feel like I've had some experiences to where I would say we're pretty credible 442 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,800 if you, if you believe me, but 443 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,400 I mean, Gavin's a fairly credible person. 444 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,200 I'm fairly credible. 445 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,240 And I'm also the safety officer. 446 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,080 So I give him like a seven out of 10, whereas most people that talk about big foot are like 447 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,280 a four out of 10. 448 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:40,560 So yeah, well, mine was, uh, there was a point where I was living in my tent for a period 449 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,560 of time. 450 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,160 Uh, at that point it was, uh, it wasn't a 10. 451 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,600 It was a carport, uh, that I bought from menards. 452 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:59,280 And at that point in my stint of living in a tent, I was, I dunno, I'm used to all the 453 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,440 sounds I've heard everything. 454 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,420 And you know, I've seen all the shows talking about big foot. 455 00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:14,240 So I was laying in my bed, AKA six pallets that were lengthened out to my bed. 456 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,960 Gavin's had a great childhood guys. 457 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,960 Yeah. 458 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:24,960 That one was, it was by choice, but, um, still one of the rougher choices. 459 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,840 But so I was, yeah. 460 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:35,920 So I was sleeping in my bed and I hear that very typical of you like big foot, like the 461 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,320 knocking on wood with like branch or wood. 462 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:46,780 And it goes, and it was in a rhythm. 463 00:28:46,780 --> 00:28:51,520 And I said, Oh man, I just kind of sat there and I'm listening and I closed my eyes to 464 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,960 try to hear better because I can't see anything out of this tent. 465 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,960 You closed your eyes to hear better. 466 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,960 Yeah. 467 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,960 If anybody, everybody, everybody's had to have done this or maybe it's just my ADHD 468 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,840 to where I have to like shut down other systems to make other ones work better. 469 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:08,840 But yeah. 470 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,880 So sometimes I have to turn the radio down to see better. 471 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,880 So I get it. 472 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,880 Yeah. 473 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,160 I turn the radio down to focus. 474 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,160 Yeah. 475 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,000 So, so I'm listening, listening, and I'm like, that was weird. 476 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000 You know, you don't hear that usually in the woods. 477 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,560 And I'm like, it's probably just trees rubbing against each other. 478 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,600 That's pretty typical in that area. 479 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,600 And then I hear it again. 480 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,600 It is the same rhythm. 481 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:37,320 And I'm like, okay, that's, that's someone out there fucking around by the railroad tracks, 482 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,480 which was where I was living by. 483 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,080 And I'm like, yeah, there's someone out there messing around. 484 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:48,080 But you know, I got my, got my handgun, got my flashlight out and I have a really long 485 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:55,800 distance flashlight got out of my tent and scanning, scanning, and I heard it. 486 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:02,220 And out of the three times of the pattern, it stopped at like two as I was like putting 487 00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:04,920 my flashlight towards it. 488 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:10,640 I put my flashlight over there and all I see is green eyes and it just, it wasn't, couldn't 489 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,040 see any kind of facial features. 490 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,520 It was so far that the light wasn't bringing in facial features, but it was glowing green 491 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,520 eyes from, you know, from a flashlight, not because of any other weird shit. 492 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,000 And I'm just staring at it. 493 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,000 It's staring at me. 494 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,000 It's not moving. 495 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,640 It's like frozen. 496 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,400 And I'm like, hello? 497 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,680 Like if you're, you know, if you're on our property for a reason, you need to get off. 498 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,120 This is private. 499 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,120 Nothing happened. 500 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,120 And I'm like, okay. 501 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,360 I'm like, maybe it's a deer. 502 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,280 So I'm like trying to walk closer, walk closer. 503 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,280 Nothing's happened. 504 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,280 It's staring at me. 505 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,280 And I'm like, I have a handgun. 506 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,520 I'm like, if you're, if you're a human, because I was trying to really like, if you're a deer, 507 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,720 this sounds stupid, but if you were human, because I don't want to shoot you, get off 508 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:05,600 our properties, private property and just leave and nothing happened. 509 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,440 And at this point I'm getting kind of freaked out. 510 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,920 I get a little closer and I'm like, all right. 511 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,120 I said, I'm coming over there. 512 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,120 Nothing happened. 513 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:22,000 Like, so now I'm just kind of like not shaking in my boots, but I'm like trying to think 514 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,000 of my next steps. 515 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,560 Like, what am I, what am I actually going to do? 516 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,760 I like, I'm scared, no intention of using my handgun, but I have it there. 517 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,760 You know what I mean? 518 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:37,280 And so I start walking a little bit closer and then I hear like something like not crashing, 519 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,880 but crunching on the ground in that area. 520 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:49,380 And it's almost like it backed up because it made that sound, but never turned away. 521 00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:52,060 And then, so it backed up. 522 00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:57,120 And this is what I think before anybody says, you know, anything, but it looked like it 523 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,120 backed up. 524 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:03,240 It looked like it got up from, it looked hunched it. 525 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:11,840 And I say hunched because where its eyes were, it went up like a whole nother foot, but it 526 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,240 was, it didn't seem like it was enough to be crouching. 527 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,240 Like crouching would have been lower. 528 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,240 You know what I mean? 529 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:24,780 To me, it almost looked like it was hunching, trying to just make itself look smaller and 530 00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:27,800 it brought itself up. 531 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,780 And that's when I was like, Oh, fuck, this thing's bigger than I thought. 532 00:32:31,780 --> 00:32:36,200 To where I was like, I don't think this is a deer. 533 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:45,120 So I had nothing really for reference at that time. 534 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,040 All there was was like a berm. 535 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,620 So I was like, okay. 536 00:32:49,620 --> 00:32:53,480 And all of a sudden I watched his face just slowly turn. 537 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,320 Again, I don't see its face. 538 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,360 I'm seeing eyes, but you assume that's where it's at, right? 539 00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,360 Right. 540 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,080 So I just slowly turn away. 541 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:07,920 And then you hear crunching for a couple of steps and then nothing, nothing at all. 542 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,160 So I walk over there. 543 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,720 I walk probably about 15 feet closer to the area and I'm like, fuck this. 544 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,600 I'm not doing it anymore. 545 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,240 And honestly, I wussied out. 546 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,380 I went back to my tent, had my gun in my hand and pretty much stayed there all night. 547 00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:30,280 And what's what always interests me about Bigfoot is that Bigfoot is said to have been 548 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:36,760 seen in the Pacific Northwest, but there are sightings of Bigfoot across all of the United 549 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,880 States all the way. 550 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:43,520 I mean, as far as Asia, I've heard of reports in the Middle East. 551 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,640 I mean, there's Sasquatches everywhere, dude. 552 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,640 Yeah. 553 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,640 Yeah. 554 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,400 So I've always known them not to be scary. 555 00:33:53,400 --> 00:34:03,120 And so when I got up in the morning, I walked over to that area and kind of realized something 556 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,160 that was kind of creepy. 557 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,120 When I saw the berm, he was standing behind that. 558 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:15,860 And the berm was like, and some of these old towns, people bury their trash. 559 00:34:15,860 --> 00:34:19,800 So it looked like a hole that someone had put and there was old garbage from like the 560 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,840 early 1900s down to the bottom of it. 561 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,440 But at that point, it was all grassy. 562 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,920 So that berm was just the top part of that hole, maybe some of the dirt that was dug 563 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,600 out from it. 564 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:36,500 And down at the bottom was probably, I want to say it was a pretty good sized hole. 565 00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:40,960 And because of the way that was sloped, I'm just going to guess that it was probably five 566 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:47,720 foot and then maybe a couple, a two or so feet behind the berm, the berm being that 567 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:51,080 tall going down into that hole. 568 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:56,600 So the fact that I saw him at what I thought was a pretty normal height, and then he got 569 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:07,000 even taller behind that berm told me that he was, I mean, again, because I'm no professional, 570 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:13,720 told me that it was pretty close to around nine to 10 feet, just judging by where his 571 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:16,080 face was. 572 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,080 And the fact that it was five foot, you know, five ish foot down and you know, a good two 573 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,320 foot berm, you know, these are big berms. 574 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,160 So that right there, I was freaked out and I'm not going to lie to you, I did not sleep 575 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,040 a wink for like the next three days. 576 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,580 Nothing happened. 577 00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:36,960 What year was it? 578 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:44,280 This was when I was probably 22 or 23. 579 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,360 So what's it now? 580 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,360 2024. 581 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,520 Yeah, it was probably like 2018 around that. 582 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,520 2017. 583 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,520 2017. 584 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,520 Yeah. 585 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,760 See, because the dog man comes out on the seventh year. 586 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,880 Oh, there's a not wrong. 587 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,160 I was I lived in Wexford County. 588 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,760 I was living in Wexford County, dude. 589 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:13,360 Wexford County was when he was first saw and oh my God, dude, it was right next to a fucking 590 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,360 swamp. 591 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:21,200 Yeah, he's been seen in Wexford County, New Agua County, Muskegon County. 592 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,960 What's one of the big rapids then? 593 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,960 Macosta? 594 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,960 Yeah. 595 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:34,320 Dude, that's crazy that you said that because if anybody knows the Walton Junction area, 596 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:40,800 Walton Junction used to be an old railroad area that was pretty big back in the day before 597 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,320 the ship burned down. 598 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,720 Well, they used to have a cranberry bog behind and it was like a little lake. 599 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:55,180 And to the right is a big marsh and bog area. 600 00:36:55,180 --> 00:37:01,320 And that is crazy that you mentioned that because connecting the dots, obviously, dog 601 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,640 man is I don't know. 602 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,560 I don't know. 603 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,560 I don't know. 604 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,680 I'm kind of got me really thinking here for a second because everything connecting to 605 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:21,160 that being in Wexford County, the swamp, the eyes and the height dog man is around that 606 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,480 same height too. 607 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,480 So yeah. 608 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:30,120 But hey, on that note, Gavin, on that note, Gavin, we are at our 30 minutes and we are 609 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,560 going to have to make a longer episode about this. 610 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,560 Yes. 611 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,560 All right. 612 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,560 Thanks, everybody. 613 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:53,960 Thanks for listening on our Cryptid episode and we will see you later.