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Welcome to Votches Off-Road. Join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to

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trail stories, tent camping to rock climbing, and all things to do with the outdoors. Thanks

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for joining. We're going to do a little 30 minute episode. And I think we're going to

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talk a little about some of the black forerunner that's going on with the botches build, a

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little bit about my upcoming trip. And yeah, I think that's going to be a good little mini

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so there, I guess starting out, let's hear, let's hear any updates of this, this black

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forerunner. First of all, I guess, as part of botches, I shouldn't know, but I don't

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actually know what year this forerunner is. So for, I guess, for the, uh, all of these

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other listeners here that have not seen this yet, you'll see it in the cover art. Um, what

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year is this forerunner? So the black forerunner is a 2000, uh, forerunner third gen. Um, my

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mom bought it for her adopted daughter and then stuff happened. The girl's not getting

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it in the car. So my mom decided that she wants to drive it. So we're just going through

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and we're replacing everything that can fail. So we've done, it's got brand new knuckles,

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all brand new wheel bearings, uh, brand new seals, um, brand new front suspension, brand

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new tie rods, everything, uh, solid axle swapped. Yeah. Like we said, anything that's going

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to fail, we switched it out. Solid axle, six inch suspension, all king. But it does have,

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uh, gusseted front knuckles, even though it's stock height, we gusseted the front knuckles

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for safety. And then in the rear, we're doing a one inch lift from Icon. Um, she doesn't,

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she doesn't need the one inch lift, but with the amount of crap that my mom puts in her

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car, I'm sure that that thing is going to sit level when it's loaded. Yes. Um, I mean,

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it looks pretty solid, honestly. Um, for the year and everything, it's very nice. I can,

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yeah, for a Michigan truck, it's super clean. It's got a little bit of frame rock, but not

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bad. Nothing we can't patch. No. Um, and then we took, it had the, uh, factory wheels still

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on it. We did a Tundra brake swap. So we ripped the factory wheels off and we put 17s, uh,

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those are what? Visions, Mark? Yeah. Vision rims. And then they are BF Goodrich's. I don't

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remember which title tire type, but they were okay. Were it 285s? 285, 65? Yeah. That's

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the size I was getting. That was the exact, um, type of tire, you know, how like KL twos

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and all that. Um, those were usually keep on my truck. I didn't mind them, but just

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the silver and gun metal just didn't quite work for me. So I took my last set that I

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had from the black one and put the bronze on my truck. So these sets been sitting around

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for spares for us to use. Yeah. That silver is really clean looking. Yeah. That, that

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gun metal on black. It's who that, I should have bought these from Mark before we ever

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thought of this and I never really got them out in the open. I should have took it out

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and like put it next to the FJ to see what it would look like. Yeah. I regret that. I

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should have just bought them off of you. They, they, after seeing it on that forerunner,

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I was like, damn, maybe, maybe I could do like silver maroon silver. I could do like,

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uh, you know, color match the rims and do that on the roof or something. Do that. Yeah.

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I, I never really loved that color of wheel until we put them on that black truck. They

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just, it's like they were made for the truck. They, yeah, it looks good. I think, you know

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what? I'm in just because I like tin. If you did a really light tent on the truck too,

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just to, I agree. Oh God. That'd be one of the sexier third gens out there. We're at

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like $3,500 in repairs now. So about how much it costs to get it. Yeah. The only, the only

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sexy or third gen out there right now is probably Benji's. Yes. Since he's redone everything

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from the bottom up. So I was going to say, is it, what's the one that the maroon one

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that I'm sure who got it? The maroon. I keep her, uh, family that was literally just had

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it pulled up one second. Family of forerunner. Yeah. Family of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's

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right. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Third. That's a gorgeous one. Yeah. That one was like set

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for everything you'd need in Michigan. Man. I feel really offended right now. Oh yeah.

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You got one too. The crawlers better crawlers better. No, I do like Alex's, but it's, it's

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like one of those things where it's like, you never want to pick that as like your main

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answer because it's like an obvious answer. Alex has a really nice third gen. It just,

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it's like, there's little things here and there. And because I've never actually seen

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these other ones in person, other than the black one, they, they are cool. I'm sure you

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look at anything hard enough. You know, Alex is like from the end of his driveway, his

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third gen is like the coolest third gen in America. A hundred percent. Yeah. In the end

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of my drive, 60 feet away, my truck's beautiful. 60 feet. But he is a trail truck and she has

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been had the hell beat out of her for the last year. So yeah. I mean, that's what it's

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there for. Yeah. People, people who buy these, you know, third gens like that and then do

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anything with them and just drive them on the road. And this is excluding people who

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are older. But like you, why, why are you doing it, man? It wants to be out there. Like,

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yeah, these things have souls, man. They want to, they want to be out there. They want to

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do what they're made to do. They get upset. They start dying on you and you don't let

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them go out. When I was washing mine last time, I found a scratch that goes from the

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front bumper all the way down the side of the truck and then exiting off the back. And

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I mean, it's, it's through the first layer of paint. Like it's, it's deep. After our

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botches trip, I washed my truck and I have a good eight inch hole, eight inch tall, like

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scrape. And I'm like, I don't even know where it came from. And it's fine. So it had to

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have been like grit, like dirt or something. Yeah. I'm trying to think I'm like, I don't

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know where that would have came from, but it's like, it's an eight inch tall scratch.

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That's about five to six inches long. And it's just the whole, and I'm like, I really

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don't need this right now. Like I have, it looks like someone keyed my fucking truck because

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I take it down like 65 inch trails, the legal, the legal guy, and they're not actually designated

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to 65 inch. I should say that now before I get busted by the DNR or something. But yeah,

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it's like that dent in the back of my tailgate. It wasn't there. I have no idea where this

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dent came from. And it's a big dent. Dude, I might have to throw some like detailing

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stuff on my truck before I bring it in the rigs. It's, I probably won't because I'm going

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to be on the trail. I'm, I'm leaving. We're leaving Thursday night. So we're, oh, today's

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Wednesday. Shit. I just realized that I have a lot of packing to do. I pulled everything

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out to clean it up a little bit in there from the botches yearly trip and, and you know,

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organize it. And this year we're going to do it's, it's named cryptid hunt. We're just

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basically going to do, you know, a night run up in the area where dog man was spotted years

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and years ago, camped at, tell some scary stories. But I'm trying to rearrange everything,

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trying to get us ready for maybe some warmer or like, not warmer, but like a colder climate.

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It's supposed to get a little cooler again this weekend. So I'm just trying to optimize

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the, the storage and the vehicle for that. So I did get like a organizer to go on the

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back of the driver's side seat to organize like my air hoses, my spare parts, like the

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either pulleys and belt and stuff like that. And got that packed away and out off of my

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seat so that I could put other stuff. And then I don't think I have a whole lot else

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that I'm doing in prep other than trail prep, like, like route prep. And I think I'm going

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to do some scouting campsites. The area that we're going to is just west of, I want to

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say it's Fife Lake. Yeah, just, just a little bit of Southwest of Fife Lake and it's in

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the Cadillac of forest management. And it's, I mean, massive amounts of trails around there.

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Where we're sitting is kind of right in the middle between the two. There's a Riverside

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campground that could fit 10 plus cars. And we're planning to get there Thursday night,

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just wow, to secure the spot. And then I think at about Friday at 12, we're going to meet

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up at a pull off off of US 131. There's a roadside park and we're going to meet everyone out

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there and I'll drive them to the campsite. Anyone else that's coming later, I just give

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the coordinates to. And then we're going to get there Friday, get everyone nice and set

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up, do some introductions. I have a couple of new groups coming that have never done

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it before. So I have two new families coming to do that, which I'm probably the perfect

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person for them to do that with because most of my stuff isn't hardcore. We have a family

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too. Very, you know, the climate is going to be very inviting. It's not like it's to

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be a bunch of drunks or anything, which there never really is with any of the MST groups,

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but no, not really. Which is great. I love that. Just for timeline for listeners, we

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record these 30 minute clips on Wednesday and then we release them on Sunday. So this

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will come out while he's out on this trip. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. It will be the end

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of his trip. It will be when this comes out. Yeah, it'll be the rigs and coffee day for

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us. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. So we plan to do, you know, once everyone gets all set up there,

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everyone feeds themselves and we'll decide whether we want to do a night run Friday.

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But I know for Saturday, sorry, excuse me. Sorry. I know for Saturday, we're going to

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do a night run and we're just going to try to keep it in the area. The areas is just,

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you know, dog man, big foot area. And you know, we'll go around pretty quiet, pretty

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slow and just see if we can find anything. Yeah. Nothing, nothing crazy. It's just mostly

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a night ride and a fun opportunity for some of these newer guys to do an easy night ride.

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I say easy, but I have no idea what we're getting into. And I think that's, so I have

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the routes planned out. I've already done a good part of that area. And so I don't,

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I don't know. I think it'll be okay. We'll do the, you know, around the, the squash camp

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around the river and we'll try to stick near that on Saturday. And then I think Saturday,

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you know, morning we'll do the normal Saturday morning stuff, make breakfast, blah, blah,

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blah. And then I'm going to talk with a group about wanting to go west, Southwest a little

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bit. There's a massive branch of trails. There's some blue ones. Yeah. Yeah, dude. There's,

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there is number 19 road, high rollaway river loop. I wish that Michigan had more blue trails.

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It's cool seeing more start to pop up on Onyx as people, you know, finds them and marks

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them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We found some that should have been marked blue and I almost

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wish that I was a, that I was a, what do you, what do you call those trail creators or whatever

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is where I could actually have marked that? Yeah. Trail guide. I might look into doing

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that next year just for something to do hobby wise. Cause I do, I do really enjoy mapping

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out the trails and, and, you know, doing them almost like, Oh, like a game almost, you know,

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like, Hey, you know, yeah, yeah. You got to catch them all. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I like that.

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I actually actually really mad because our botches trip, I didn't actually save the,

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it was a trip. So I missed the whole line of Yuma and everything that we did. I still

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have the, well, the last time my phone died this time. Oh yeah. I've got that last time.

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Yeah. This time, this time it asked me to save and I thought I already did. So I just

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clicked out of the app and then I went back into it and it didn't save, which sucks so

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bad. I'll just have to do you. I'll say Gamer 101. Ask you want to save, save it. Yeah,

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I know for sure. I should have. I thought I did already like three times. So I wasn't

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really, I at that point, I wasn't worried about it. I figured it already saved. It did

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not. So I learned my lesson. All the points that I had before, like that, that really

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cool, you know, skitter Hill Jr. I have marked down and everything still, but it was just

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the route that I had driven and that we had done. I didn't get, you know, just means I'll

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have to do it again. But there's, we saved that super gnarly spots. I want to do that

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again. I did. Yeah. So we're good there. I saved the campground. I saved some of the

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potential campgrounds that I found on the way, which is another thing I like doing.

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But you know, there's, there's so many different areas around here and around this area. It's

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all around, I think the Manistee river. Yeah. The Manistee over there. And there are tons

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of potential riverside campsites. And I mean, tons, like I have probably at least 10 spots

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marked out within, I would say a five to six mile radius. Wow. I mean, they're all riverside.

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They all connect or they, they all stop at the river or do a small loop right before

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the river. So there's a bunch of different spots I want to check out. And I think that's

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what we're going to do Saturday, because I have like, I have no idea what I would do

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all day Saturday. Like just sit around. And I want to get out and do them. So I think

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we'll do we'll do a small one Saturday and whoever that wants to stay and relax, good

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stay and relax and but everybody else is gonna go out and then I'll preface it by telling

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everybody like, Hey, I don't know what we're going to be getting into. You know, full disclosure,

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I'm not going to try to get anyone stuck or broke but you know, pinstriped by side trail,

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you might yeah, you might end up getting pinstriped. I'm gonna tell everybody like, Hey, do not

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come on this because we will check these out. So yeah, that's gonna be really fun. I mean,

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I have one documented trail over there. Because someone gave me a spot I was I think it was

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Nolan or something who gave me a spot. So that's gonna be nice. But there are a shit

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ton of these little green trails. There's you know, tree tundra trail tree root forest

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trail. Hart Creek Trail. There's there's actually a water crossing. Oh, that's sick. Yeah, I

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heart Creek Trail has a water crossing and I'm not sure that it's supposed to be a water

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crossing.

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So tread lightly.

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Yeah, tread lightly. And depending on how it is, we might not do that.

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But I'll say because if I remember correctly, I pretty sure Kyle like literally just opened

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a whole bunch of trails this last summer. They did and they had like a giant opening

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for it.

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Yeah, there's a there's a crap ton of trails around here. So this that could be part of

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that. It's in Cadillac, Cadillac State Forest area. So I am I'm I've seen some reports on

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that river crossing being a broke bridge area. There was a bridge down and then people just

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went through the water. So if that's the case, we won't go through it. We're going to try

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to you know, follow the rules follow the law. But if there's no signs of that, if there's

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no signs of a broke down bridge and it looks like a well used trail. Yeah, I mean, as long

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as there's no nothing pointing to us breaking the law or doing something bad, we'll we'll

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go through it. I want you to get all the Instagram videos of that. Yeah, I would like to I'll

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set up a tripod and try to get some things up. I want to try to do better on the videos.

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And I say that every time I go out and then I forget to do it or I get so we say Alex

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says all the time to we try our best. But you get so caught up in like having the fun

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of doing it. And then you're like, I don't want I don't want to have to get you know,

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like get out. Half of it's doing it with the group. I think if I was solo would be a lot

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easier when you're in a group you hate to like, hey, can we stop a second? Can we stop?

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I'm about to say Alex part of a pretty big group trip and they just kept stopping every

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five minutes or so was it?

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was. But we kept stopping every like two to five minutes. And there were people on there

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that actually like to wheel wheel. Like, yeah. And they were like, what are we doing? And

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they're like, I we were stopped for like 30 minutes at one point. And I was like, dude,

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oh my god, I just want to go. So I don't want to like do that to other people. And I want

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to leave a good impression on these newer people, too, that are, you know, I take it

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seriously that, you know, I have I have some new people that are coming and doing this

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for the first time. Yeah, I want to make sure that they have a good start and good idea

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of what's going on.

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Yeah. So on that whole video front, I actually found a pretty well reviewed, cheaper than

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a GoPro action camera. It's like 60 or 50 bucks brand new on Amazon. And it's got image

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stabilization, you know, all the stuff you'd expect from an action cam for 50 bucks. And

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it can do up to 4K 30. Yeah, I have to look into that. So I think I'm going to try and

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pick up a few of these because if I can get the video without stopping, I'd much prefer

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to do that. Yeah, for sure. You know, at most, maybe have someone hop out with the first

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truck and videotape each person coming through and then hop in the last truck. Just things

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going. Yeah, I think it just depends. The best way that I am starting to realize how

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to do this is we need to alternate alternate trucks. So I there was a couple of times in

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our last trip that I had Mark go in front of me, Mark go behind me and mostly didn't

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have Alex do it because Alex is leading for the most part. So we didn't really do it with

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Alex as much. But I had I had Mark go front and behind me so that I could get shots of

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him taking trails or like roller shots and stuff like that. So I think it just the alternate.

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Huh? Which you never uploaded. I did. Oh, OK. They they weren't the roller trails were

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unedited there in the Google Drive. But it's hard. I keep forgetting to tell Sienna. She

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has all of the videos in 4K, which don't upload to like Instagram and stuff. You have to dumb

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them down. Right. And Instagram won't even take them. You have to go into your settings

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and then dumb them down first and then bring them in Instagram. So it makes it hard for

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social media sharing, which I struggled a lot this last weekend. We had a lot of really

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good videos and all of them. She had to send me like via quick share. And she sent me all

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of them. They're all in 4K, so I couldn't do anything on TikTok. I couldn't do anything

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on Facebook. Couldn't do anything on Instagram. And like editing or uploading. I really need

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to get my server going so that we can just drop files on there and not worry about hitting

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these Google Photos caps. Yeah. And then if you have a 15 gig file, just drop it on there.

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We can dumb it down, you know? Yeah. So it was like, OK, I need I need to remember to

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tell her to or to switch her video camera quality down so that it's so that I can do

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that. And that's why we didn't get a lot of edits of rollers and stuff, because it was

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really hard and it was taking me forever to do any. And I mostly work off my phone because

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all the files are on my phone and Instagram, TikTok editing and stuff is is smoother on

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the phone. And I don't log into it. I just did an Instagram from my computer the other

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day and I was really impressed with what you can do Instagram wise on the computer now.

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Yeah, I have to look into like logging in on TikTok and then using files from the computer.

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I have to look into that. I'll I'll I'll monkey with a little bit. I think I understand the

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UI of Instagram and TikTok and stuff well enough on the mobile platform that I don't

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know if I want to mess with it on the computer platform as much. But YouTube, it's a little

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different story. I don't know. I'm sorry. No, you're good. No, I was about to say, hopefully

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you don't get strike like Joe did just recently. If all the music he was using suggested. Yeah,

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I've seen that Jeep Joe, he posted Instagram reel. It's just him scrolling through his

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notifications and it's just post after post after post after post. They got taken down.

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Yep, it happens, especially Instagram reels, because you can upload from like TikTok on

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Instagram or source like songs from Instagram. And then they just had like a copy like a

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copyrights issue where a bunch of the songs you can't use anymore. And I think that's

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what it was. It's like a copyright violation. Yeah. But you didn't I mean, it didn't have

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anything before the songs were accessible before. So yeah, it is what it is. But now

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like 30% of his songs or his videos are probably songless now. Yep. You can't play can't play

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us. So that really sucks. All the more reason to try to source your own music. Which is

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really hard. Use an AI art generator and hope for the best. Right. But you know, with our

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intro. Yeah, right. But hey, I mean, it sounds all right. I don't mind it. I like it. But

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yeah, I mean, I think having these having these new people will be really nice for me.

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They don't have high expectations. So it's not like you're taking highly seasoned off

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road people like you guys out on you know, out on a weekend trip. Although when I was

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leading we found some really cool trails. So I guess it's not too bad. That's part of

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the exploratory fun. You just going out and looking for stuff. Yeah, I'm a I'm pretty

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easy to please here in Michigan. You know, as long as I'm on dirt. It's fine. Yeah. No,

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I think these guys will be that way too. Yeah. I mean, if I have to make my own fun by doing

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weird or try and drift my truck or whatever, like what? Yeah, if I have to try to learn

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how to drive a truck. Yeah, after your sway bar delete, I bet it is. No, I think I think

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Saturday we'll take the trails. I don't know. I'm going to feel it out by group because

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I could trail ride, you know, eight, nine hours, take a little break in between and

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keep going. But I don't know about all these other people, especially the newer guys see

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how they do see how far they want to go, how long they want to do it. But then we'll we'll

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chill out. We'll make dinner, get a good fire started. And I got to pack some more fire

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starters and stuff. And then Saturday night, we'll do a night ride. And maybe we'll go

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left over here to we'll see. And then Sunday morning, we'll pack up as early as we can.

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And we'll try to head to Hudsonville for the Riggs and Coffee Trunk or Treat, where we're

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going to bring in our little Jasper. He's dressed in Monsters Inc costume. He's Sully.

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So I don't we didn't have any time to get any like costumes ready or anything. So I

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have the same boys. I have no costume prep for this one. Yeah, I'm going to go as a very

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poorly dressed farmer. I'm going to go as a portal poor overlander. And there'd be hard.

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There we go. I just put the DNR hat on the DNR officer could be a DNR officer. You know

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what? That's not a bad idea. I have the DNR. I have the stickers, drawing natural resources,

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not dependent on natural resources. Yeah. Let's get really tentacle with the what it

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says. Yeah. I mean, you could make a really bad off road group like an evil off road group

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and call it the DNR. And I mean, it would not be cool, but side by side groups could

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be called the DNR. Like you could do like a really bad side by side group and be like

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we're the DNR destroying natural resources because they could aim for aim for any vehicle

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on the trail and just hit them because you know that's what pride my sides like to do.

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So their beer cans out leaving big old dents on a basically mint their gen four runner.

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That's just what they like to do. Hey man, DNR. But yeah, I mean, it's going to be fun.

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Hopefully we could get to rigs and coffee and time and we'll set up early, sit there

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for a couple hours and probably probably just head home and that'll be our last trip for

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the year probably. So that we'll probably pack everything up, all the bedding and stuff,

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bring it inside, keep the truck cleared out and, and just start working on paying off

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upgrades and I'll be working on buying some plywood and stuff for the organizer in the

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back for the truck. Yeah. I think this this winter the most I'm going to do is I might

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do some of the we've got a New Lego County map projects that the botches have been working

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on. So I'll probably work on that a little this winter. Yeah. I don't plan on doing I

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don't plan on going anywhere. I don't plan on spending all the money to go camping or

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anything. No. Yeah. No overnight, but definitely, definitely wheeling around New Lego County

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for sure. Day trips and stuff. So yeah, that's the, that's the plan. Hopefully everything

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works out, but don't break anything. You know, I thought I did honestly, after this last

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weekend I had mud from one of the ruts on the blue trail. I had a mud cake down on the

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bottom side of my wheel and I thought I cleaned it all out. Like I, I threw my, the washer

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onto it, the pressure washer onto it. And I was like, dude, there shouldn't be anything

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left. And it was just, I think it's one of the reasons why I need to switch out those

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wheels because there's so many little crevices for mud and stuff to hide. Oh yeah. Everything

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up. So Mark's just cake into the fake bead lock. Yeah. Mine is pretty badly kicked in

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the fake bead lock. Yeah. That's not good either. Nope. But yeah, I mean, we'll see.

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Um, lots of stuff going on here. I think we're wrapping up for the year. The season's closing.

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Yeah. You know, next year, I think we're all going to be a little bit better prepared for

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a cold weather camping. So, um, we'll, I know our season's going to last a little longer

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next year, but yeah, that's, it's sad. It's kind of getting, kind of getting to the end

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of that. Um, between that, um, my, my job ending. So I'm going to be looking for something

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else. So we're not going to be doing much traveling. My time is going to be a little

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bit more constricted. It's just, uh, it's going to be a little, little different over

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the winter. It would be paying off some of those debts. So I did lie a little bit. Uh,

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we and Mark are planning to go down to Benji's open house for Midwest adventure outfitters,

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uh, November 23rd. Um, so that will be my last official trip. Yeah. I would, I would

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absolutely fricking love to go to that. I would absolutely love to. Maybe I'll chuck

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some money your way, maybe ride along, take some video, something like that. That's what

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I was saying. Uh, we've got, I don't know about driving right now. We've got it broke

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down. It would be pretty cheap for the two of us. So if you tag along, it's $10 for a

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ticket for a rider. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see. I, uh, you know, it's right around that time

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we're going to be like catching up on bills because there's going to be a small gap. So

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I'm trying to make sure, and I don't want to have to take any time off of work if I'm

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starting my new job, lots of uncertainties here in the next few months. So we'll see.

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Uh, but yeah, I mean, lots of stuff to come. We're going to obviously see, keep doing the

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podcast. Uh, we'll have updates on all that stuff coming up. Uh, post a post trip, 30

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minute mini-sode. Um, I think we have a cryptid episode coming up. We just did an episode

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with JD from mitten state tours. And she talked a little bit about her trip in North Carolina,

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her rig, some of her favorite spots and upgrades. So we definitely still have a lot coming and,

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uh, it'll just be, just stick with us and we'll get better as we go. And you know, it'll,

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uh, can't, I mean, like I said earlier in a couple of podcasts, you can't go much for

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a, getting nowhere to go, but up. So yeah, especially when you're at the bottom, especially

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when you're at the bottom and we're getting, Hey, we're getting views in Russia, man. We're

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doing good downloads in Russia. I can't believe it. Yeah. Thanks for listening guys. And,

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uh, we'll see you on the next one. Later.