1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,800 Welcome to Batches Off-Road. 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,720 Join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, tent camping to 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,040 rock landing, and all things to do with the outdoors. 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:22,560 Today is just going to be Mark, Alex, and I, and we're just going to do a quick little 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,280 post-yearly camp trip episode. 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:32,520 We did a little mini-sode before about what we were planning on doing, the trails that 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,080 we were going to do, and now we're just going to tell everyone how it went, who broke, who 8 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:38,080 didn't break. 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,080 In fact, I can already see Mark on our camera. 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,080 Poor Mark. 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:49,160 Yeah, you can just see he's getting ready to start crying. 12 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:58,960 So, we ended up going with Alex's family and my family coming up to Yuma area, and we started 13 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:10,400 scouting out some trails earlier Thursday, and we found a campsite pretty far back into 14 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,400 the trails, and it wasn't bad, right? 15 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,400 I mean... 16 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,400 Oh, I honestly, I love the campsite. 17 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,400 We saw what? 18 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,840 One person the entire trip. 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,920 Yeah, one person. 20 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:26,040 Heard some crazy owls. 21 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,760 I did end up finding a tick on Mercy, though. 22 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,760 Oh, did you? 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:30,760 Yeah. 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:31,760 Yeah. 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:32,760 I haven't checked myself yet. 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,760 I probably should. 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,760 I was probably a very late season one. 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,760 Yeah. 29 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,000 Yeah, she got lucky, though. 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,600 Just a one. 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:43,600 And you know how she is. 32 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,400 She was out and all that tall shit, messing around the whole time. 33 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,400 Yeah, she was. 34 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,960 For Ann Wrangler, a run around. 35 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,000 They really like having the big open field to run around into. 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,560 They have that at home, though. 37 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,280 That's true. 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,960 But for anyone who doesn't know, Mercy and Wrangler are my dogs. 39 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,960 They're not kids. 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,800 Close, but no. 41 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,800 Close. 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,800 All right. 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,640 Well, so we got into the camp. 44 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:15,640 We set up. 45 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,200 We had our dog for Mark to show up. 46 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,520 We set up camp, had some really what do we have for dinner that night? 47 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:23,520 Grilled cheese or hot dogs? 48 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:24,520 Yeah, hot dogs. 49 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,520 Mix of both, I think. 50 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,520 I think we made both. 51 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,120 Yeah, I think we had grilled cheese for lunch. 52 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,480 Hot dogs are the other way around. 53 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,560 Hot dogs for lunch, grilled cheese for dinner on homemade bread. 54 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:37,560 On homemade bread. 55 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,560 That was good. 56 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,600 Cooked that up. 57 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,680 Spent the night in the tent. 58 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:54,160 We got down to early 30s in temperature and everybody was kind of like, huh, OK. 59 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,160 Kind of cold. 60 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,740 I don't know, man. 61 00:02:57,740 --> 00:03:00,400 I was pretty comfy in my mummy bag. 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Yeah, I'm sure you were. 63 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:10,000 We were a little cold in our tent. 64 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,040 The bags ourselves keep us warm, but it's our faces that weren't. 65 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,040 I don't like being suffocated. 66 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:21,840 I don't like feeling suffocated, so I don't really have shit over my face. 67 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,800 We thought maybe we might need to get a heater. 68 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:32,360 We used Alex's heater the first night after a while and that helped a lot. 69 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:38,360 We were like, OK, we're definitely going to need a heater the second night. 70 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,520 That was our main issue and my family was just trying to keep the... 71 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:48,480 I mean, we're all sick, so trying to keep any more cold, crisp air out of our fricking 72 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,120 lungs while we're trying to sleep is only making things worse. 73 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,400 Mark, how was your first night? 74 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,680 It was pretty good. 75 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,840 Army sleeping bag went for me. 76 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:01,840 I kept nice and cuddle. 77 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,360 Didn't have any issues of being too cold or anything? 78 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,280 Yeah, it was like 150 bucks. 79 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,840 It kept me nice and warm. 80 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,920 The only time was a couple of times I found myself popped out because it was just apparently 81 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,440 I popped myself out of the sleeping bag in the middle of the night. 82 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,720 Other than that, it kept me warm. 83 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,520 I felt bad for my brother, though. 84 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:27,520 Yeah, I was going to say, Mark, yeah. 85 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,200 Oh, I was just going to say, yeah, go ahead and explain what happened there. 86 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,280 Alan didn't have the best night comparatively. 87 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:35,880 No. 88 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:44,400 He bought a cot thinking it was the same one that Alex has that I used that night, or night. 89 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:49,800 Barely probably slept on it for a good 15 minutes and it fucking collapsed on him. 90 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,920 Just full on collapsed. 91 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:52,920 Yeah. 92 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:59,760 Alan said he woke up wondering why it felt like he was sloped a little bit. 93 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:05,680 Yeah, so yeah. 94 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,280 Last night, Alan had some issues. 95 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:11,280 Mark slept comfortably. 96 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,360 Alex, how did you and your wife sleep? 97 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,560 Once Gailen figured out how to get into the army sleeping bag, she slept fantastic. 98 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,560 Yeah. 99 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,200 And then the dogs are good. 100 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,320 The first couple nights, yes. 101 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,040 For sure. 102 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,200 And then, yeah, then we, I think we got up in the morning. 103 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,240 What did we have for breakfast? 104 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,080 We had eggs at Teresa? 105 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,640 Or we had pancakes. 106 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,000 Pancakes. 107 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,920 Some pancakes and spam. 108 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:41,920 Some eggs. 109 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:42,920 Yep. 110 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:43,920 Spam was really good. 111 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:44,920 Yeah. 112 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:45,920 Good to hear, man. 113 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,400 I was, I was, I was worried that you guys wouldn't like my cook, my cook spam. 114 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,120 Yeah, he, he paid big money on that meal, you know. 115 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,920 Actually, the spam's like $5 a can, bro. 116 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,240 It ain't as cheap as it used to be. 117 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,240 Jesus, dude. 118 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,800 When I think of spam, I think of like a dollar a can. 119 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,440 No, that's like five bucks for a can, no. 120 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,440 Ouch. 121 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:09,440 Yep. 122 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,160 I blame 50 First Dates and Adam Sandler. 123 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:21,040 Those guys, those guys always trying to promote spam and some Reese's, man. 124 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,040 But no, it was really good. 125 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:28,360 I get the, we get the low sodium stuff because it's just too salty if it's original. 126 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,960 Then we got all packed up and we went and did some trails. 127 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,600 Alex, what trails did we do? 128 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,240 I mean, we went and did some of the lower ones, right? 129 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,240 Yeah. 130 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,080 So the first trail we did was 7101. 131 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,160 That's that one that Onyx doesn't have marked the whole thing. 132 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,160 They only have a partial of it marked. 133 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,160 Yeah. 134 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:55,120 But that trail, it links up, I think was 7510 is where it ends up linking to. 135 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,600 I don't remember exactly. 136 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:57,600 Hold up. 137 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,720 Actually 7510, 7520, something like that. 138 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:06,680 Maybe it links up with 7509 somewhere in there, but that trail is fantastic. 139 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,920 It's lots of hills, not so much hill climbs, just, you know, sloping hills with big, beautiful 140 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,280 tree views. 141 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:15,280 Yeah. 142 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:16,640 Definitely a trail. 143 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,760 I think anyone should go down. 144 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:19,760 Yeah. 145 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Unrated. 146 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:28,440 But if you're using Onyx's rating system and you're not, not using your experience from 147 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,280 Arizona or anything, what are you rating it? 148 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,280 Like a two. 149 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:35,280 Two. 150 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,280 Cool. 151 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:37,280 Yep. 152 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:38,280 I can agree to that. 153 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,280 It'd be a good two. 154 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:40,280 Yeah. 155 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,800 Nothing, nothing crazy. 156 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,840 Any car could basically do it. 157 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:53,640 And then then we moved up to 7515 and 5032. 158 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:54,640 How do we like those ones? 159 00:07:54,640 --> 00:08:02,000 I think those, I think there was only one or two parts where I would say made it a blue 160 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,840 trail and otherwise they were green trails. 161 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,160 They were ones or twos other than certain obstacles. 162 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,280 So 7515 has that really gnarly off camber right at the beginning of it. 163 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,280 Yeah. 164 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:22,760 That's that spot where I'd say that particular spot is like a four out of 10. 165 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:23,900 Yeah. 166 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:26,640 And then 5032, that is like a two out of 10. 167 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:27,640 I don't, it must have worked. 168 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,640 Yeah. 169 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,160 That was the one, that was the one that we were like, why is this even blue? 170 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,160 No, that was the 37. 171 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,160 Yeah, you're right. 172 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,160 Yeah, that was 37. 173 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:44,120 But yeah, which 5032 I could see in springtime maybe when there's water on it, it might have 174 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,080 some puddles, but for us it was dry. 175 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,080 It was easy. 176 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,080 Yeah. 177 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,080 It was dusty this weekend. 178 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,760 It was very dusty. 179 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,240 We didn't end up getting rain till like the last day. 180 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,000 We had some sprinkles here and there, but nothing crazy. 181 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000 We did those two. 182 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,920 We took it pretty easy. 183 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,000 We did what 7516, right? 184 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:16,320 Or no, maybe we did that during our scouting trip. 185 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,320 That might've been. 186 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,320 Yeah. 187 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,400 We did 7516 on the scouting trip. 188 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:28,240 I think after 7515, I think we cut down to 7520 and took that across the harder stuff. 189 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Yeah. 190 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,560 We did the Cabra-Fey lookout 7520. 191 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:38,120 Honestly, just this time of the year, it's hard to find a trail that you don't enjoy 192 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:39,120 driving. 193 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,120 Yeah. 194 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,200 I mean, they're so pretty. 195 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:48,200 I mean, challenging, not really, but I mean, they were all gorgeous to look at. 196 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:54,960 And I think after we did those, we pretty much wrapped it up for the day. 197 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:55,960 Do we do fine line? 198 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:56,960 I think we did. 199 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:57,960 We did. 200 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,400 We did five fine line and 37 trail before we wrapped it up. 201 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,400 Yeah. 202 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,600 How do we like those? 203 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:10,800 I'll let Mark tell about the fine line because that's where he got himself a little hurtled. 204 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:11,800 Yeah. 205 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,800 Yeah. 206 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:18,680 That was a fun experience because I was trying to do it where I was, because I came in when 207 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:25,320 we did the first time I came in, did the off cambering stuff straight on with no issues. 208 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,440 And then the second time coming back, I couldn't do the same thing I did last time. 209 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:31,760 Like what the hell? 210 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,800 I was just a quick divot from left to right. 211 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,560 I didn't want to go up and over it. 212 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:37,560 So I go around it. 213 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:39,040 That was so weird. 214 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,040 Yeah. 215 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,320 Yeah, you started to have a little issues there towards the end. 216 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,320 Yeah. 217 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,400 To be fair, he wasn't hurtled. 218 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:54,080 I thought he was when I came up on it, but I don't know, maybe some foreshadowing there 219 00:10:54,080 --> 00:11:02,040 because we got back to camp after doing those and what happened then, Mark? 220 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:10,000 Well, I'm not sure it was from the original trip or me going out grabbing firewood, but 221 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,560 originally the whole thing was I was trying to figure out why my power steering fluid 222 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:19,320 was low because it was low halfway through the trip and I filled it. 223 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,840 When I grabbed something that was sealed in case it was a leak somewhere, thinking it 224 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,720 might've been a simple seal leak. 225 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:31,640 So I discovered that the rack pinion was leaking down to my boot and my passenger side for 226 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,120 my tie rod. 227 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,960 So we proceeded to trying to figure out how to tear it down. 228 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,840 And Alex told me, Hey, we got something else going on. 229 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,920 That's a major issue for us to finish this weekend off with. 230 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,960 I'm like, okay, what's more major than the rack pinion? 231 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:54,320 He's like, Oh, come look, I came over and my CV axle, my outer CV axle boot was torn. 232 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,040 Like, yeah, that wouldn't that we can quicker than the rack pinion would. 233 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,040 Yeah. 234 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,360 And that one like ripped a little bit like torn ripped around. 235 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,360 Yeah. 236 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,360 Clean ripped off. 237 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,360 Absolutely destroyed. 238 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,360 Yeah. 239 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,360 Not gonna lie. 240 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,760 I was kind of bombing down that trail where the wood was on. 241 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,280 Cause it was the first trail we hit earlier that day. 242 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,280 So I kind of knew it. 243 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:17,280 So I kind of bombed it. 244 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,760 It was doing 20, but I didn't think it was that bad. 245 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:22,760 Yeah. 246 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:23,760 I don't know. 247 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,520 No, there was some big bumps in there. 248 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:32,800 So yeah, you probably, that probably is what did it, but we got that. 249 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,600 We did make some calls. 250 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,320 We got the CV axle and what you guys did that that night, right? 251 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,160 No, we did the next day. 252 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,160 Yeah. 253 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,560 They decided they were going to pause it and then do it in the morning. 254 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:53,520 So we took a full day and just kind of a repair day, work on stuff and cleaned. 255 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,240 I kind of cleaned up my wiring. 256 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:03,200 I had some issues with my Anderson connector in the front and I got that kind of taking 257 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:08,760 care of mostly that night and then into the, into the next day, got my stuff rewired and 258 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:09,760 figured out. 259 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,480 And then Mark, he figured out the whole CV thing. 260 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,800 Thankfully, had a tire underneath his truck. 261 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,400 The Jack kind of gave way. 262 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,960 And thankfully that, you know, thankfully we were on very soft ground. 263 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,560 We had the tire under there that we could just kind of always, always put a tire under 264 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,440 the frame when you're lifting a truck. 265 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:33,440 Yep. 266 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:38,000 Especially when you're in these off road, off cambers, off ground conditions. 267 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,760 Jacks are cool and all, but you know, the ground's not stable. 268 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,400 And if you're working on a long period and you don't have jack stands, which maybe we 269 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,880 should have had some, but you know, it's not a typical thing that a lot of people carry 270 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,600 with them usually. 271 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,680 But yeah, I mean, I mean, tires, tire was there, tires saved it. 272 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:02,360 Or we would have been digging a hole, jacking that up. 273 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:08,240 So we got the CV, CV put in. 274 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,800 And then we were good for Sunday. 275 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,240 Well first I had to ditch my sway bar. 276 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,240 Oh yeah. 277 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,520 Fuck, I forgot you did that too. 278 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,080 So yeah, that was just a mod day in general. 279 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,640 I mean, yeah, yeah. 280 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,240 Alex ditched his sway bar, cut that right off. 281 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:29,640 So I am, I am now running no sway bars front or rear and it is something on the road, but 282 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,520 it, it works great on the trail. 283 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,520 Yeah. 284 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,520 Yeah. 285 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,520 We proved that the next day. 286 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:35,520 Yeah. 287 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:42,320 We, um, I think it was, I don't know what trail was that that we had that really gnarly 288 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,320 off camber. 289 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,860 It was, it wasn't, it wasn't even a Mark trail. 290 00:14:46,860 --> 00:14:52,800 It was a, uh, it was marked like the, you know, the trail itself was marked, but onyx 291 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,520 doesn't have it on there at all. 292 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Yeah. 293 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:05,560 So off of a 7533, um, in between 7533 and Yuma Hills, 5738, there's a trail that cuts 294 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:06,960 in between the two. 295 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,040 Um, and there's a really nice off-camera situation there. 296 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,340 And we did that a little bit later. 297 00:15:13,340 --> 00:15:18,280 That was later in the day when we were just exploring, but that was, that one was really 298 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,280 cool. 299 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,320 The only person that could get up there was Alex because of, uh, mostly because of the 300 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,320 sway bars. 301 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,320 Uh, I don't know, man. 302 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,880 Um, I also wasn't getting hung up, you know, Mark's a little bit longer wheelbase. 303 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,880 So he was, that's true. 304 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:41,800 I think I just seeing the articulation you got out of that, um, especially from the rear, 305 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,880 how that looked definitely, definitely seemed to help quite a bit. 306 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,680 Yeah, it definitely did. 307 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,960 Um, but yeah, he got through that. 308 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,520 Mark gave it a valiant effort. 309 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,360 I give very valid effort. 310 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,360 Yep. 311 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,760 He tried, uh, but no, he, he couldn't get through. 312 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,120 And I, on that, I made that decision not to even try. 313 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,200 I bet you could have done it. 314 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,160 I might, you know what I might have, but 315 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,960 hit your locker, put it in for low. 316 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,160 You would have just crawled right up it, man. 317 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,320 Maybe I didn't like how it was, uh, off camera at the same time. 318 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,480 If it was like a ledge to climb, that'd be one thing. 319 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:24,440 I didn't like how it was really off camera too and push it to the right and judging by 320 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:31,160 how yours, you, you kind of, it looked like you almost got your like rear tail light on 321 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,040 the, on the dirt there. 322 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,560 It pushed you so far over. 323 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,680 Uh, kind of glad I didn't. 324 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:37,680 Yeah. 325 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,680 Kind of glad I didn't because I think I'm just a tad bit wider than you. 326 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,960 And I don't think I would have had that same issue. 327 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,040 I think it would have, I think it would have grabbed, grabbed some ground. 328 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,040 Yeah. 329 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,120 But no, it was, it was a cool spot. 330 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,440 I think that was probably my favorite obstacle of the entire trip. 331 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,440 Yeah. 332 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:57,440 Yeah. 333 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:58,440 It was, it was cool. 334 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,040 But, uh, we did, we did, uh, we did all Yuma. 335 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,840 We did Yuma a couple of the parts of Yuma multiple times. 336 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:06,840 Yes. 337 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:12,400 Um, just going back and forth, backtracking, looking for other trails. 338 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,680 And what's, what's everyone's overall opinion on Yuma? 339 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:16,680 The whole thing. 340 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,080 I mean, Mark, what do you think? 341 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,840 What, what are you grading it on an onyx scale? 342 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,960 Um, just based off of your experience. 343 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,360 Mine, I would say it would be a three. 344 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:33,600 I wouldn't lower it too much because it did have some of the challenging stuff, but like 345 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,560 I said, that unmarked trail that we wasn't marked on onyx was definitely probably the 346 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,120 most challenging part of the whole thing. 347 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:41,120 Yeah. 348 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:46,240 Um, I had a little bit rubbing one of the other articulating spots, but other than that, 349 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,320 it wasn't, didn't seem difficult to me compared to marble head and stuff. 350 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,560 No, no. 351 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:58,360 I would say there was two or three spots where we put it into four wheel drive and then the 352 00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:00,800 rest of the trail was two wheel. 353 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,120 Um, so I don't, I don't think, um, I think I'm with you there. 354 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:07,520 I think I would give it like a three. 355 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,520 Yeah. 356 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:15,600 Um, most, most vehicles can do it and where you couldn't do it, there was a bypass where 357 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,840 most of the time you could get past it. 358 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:25,760 So, yeah, I don't, I don't think it was, I don't, let's, what do you think Alex? 359 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:26,760 I'm right there with you. 360 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,840 I put it at about a three. 361 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,520 It maybe not, maybe a two and a half. 362 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:33,520 Yeah. 363 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,400 There's only really one spot that's marked that is actually challenged. 364 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,080 It's not even that it's challenging, but it's the only spot that actually gives you any 365 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,280 type of, um, challenge at all. 366 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,440 The rest of it is it's like driving a forest road. 367 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,440 Yeah. 368 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,440 Yeah. 369 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,440 We agree. 370 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,960 I think I know that I think, I think we're all in a grins that it doesn't deserve to 371 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,320 be a blue trail. 372 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,320 Yeah. 373 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,560 Um, it should be a green trail, but a higher green. 374 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Yeah. 375 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:09,400 Um, I think a three or four, if it's green, just to get it towards the top part of green 376 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,640 into a blue, maybe, but, uh, it's, it was pretty easy. 377 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,440 I don't get me wrong. 378 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,480 It's definitely worth going and knocking off your list. 379 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,600 Um, just based off of the trees right now, especially it was just gorgeous. 380 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:30,040 I would say like late winter, early spring, it might be a very gnarly area to go to. 381 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,040 That's true. 382 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,040 How late it is. 383 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,040 I don't think it was. 384 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,040 Yeah. 385 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:41,840 I mean, let's, let's preface this by saying that we hit this trail in dusty, dry conditions 386 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,280 with probably the most traction you'd be able to have. 387 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:53,280 So if, if it did rain for a couple of days or you had snow, ice, anything like that blue 388 00:19:53,280 --> 00:20:00,240 trail, definitely, I would say, I think the, the amount of off-camber situations, you could 389 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:06,600 definitely get some sliding, um, you know, to, and I think at that point, yeah, you'd 390 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,160 be a little bit, a little bit more of a pickle and maybe we should go back to it at some 391 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,320 point in the spring. 392 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,160 I don't know if we get through that one in the winter, that would be fun snow wheeling. 393 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,880 That one would be fun snow wheeling. 394 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,920 I don't know. 395 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:27,000 There's some parts where I, I'm a little like, dude, if I, if I had snow mud and water onto 396 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,800 that, there's a couple of parts where I'm like, I don't know. 397 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,980 I got the tires for that. 398 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:36,600 So I'll say though, it was really fun watching you this weekend because at the start of the 399 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:41,320 weekend, any off-camber made you uncomfortable, but that last day you were like going out 400 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,760 and hitting stuff around camps that you were scared of the first night, you know? 401 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:47,760 Yeah. 402 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:48,760 Yeah. 403 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,840 I, the biggest, the biggest thing, especially for newer overlanders, off-roaders, and I'm 404 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,640 one of those people for sure is, is the experience. 405 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,880 So it is important to push yourself. 406 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,360 It's important to push your rig. 407 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:07,880 It's important to know your limits and to find them. 408 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,000 There's a few times and you know, sometimes it can be a bit much when you have your family 409 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,760 in the car and everything and you're thinking about how much money you have put into the 410 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:20,780 rig, but at the same time, you have to think about this is, this experience is what saves 411 00:21:20,780 --> 00:21:24,080 you from some, some types of catastrophic failures. 412 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,560 And most of the time it's because of experience. 413 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,420 So there were lines that I took when I, when we first went down a couple of these trails 414 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:39,120 and I want to say the line that I took on, let me look real quick. 415 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:42,200 Was it 7515 with the drop? 416 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,760 That real big drop coming from the, remember that one that I hit real bad? 417 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,760 Yeah. 418 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:49,760 Yeah. 419 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:57,160 So we took 7515 when we were scouting for campsites on Thursday and Alex had no issues 420 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,360 of course, because of his rig and his experience. 421 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:13,120 And with my experience and my line that I picked, I hit my, not my rocker panels, but 422 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:18,800 you know, my side step and my rear bumper pretty, pretty hard. 423 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,080 It was a big solid dump. 424 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:28,880 So I was a little bit nervous about that and I will say that we went back to that the second 425 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,400 day when we were taking Mark through that same area, just showing him the cool stuff 426 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,720 that we found while looking for campsites. 427 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:41,600 And, and with a little bit of help from Alex pick, helping me kind of see a little bit 428 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,840 more of a different line. 429 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,880 I took a much better line than I took in two wheel drive and it was no issue at all. 430 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:56,000 So that first time we went through there, I think I was quite a bit ahead of you because 431 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,520 I hadn't been paying attention to how far behind me you had gotten. 432 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,640 So you didn't even get to see the line I took that. 433 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,640 No, I took it. 434 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,640 I took it pretty blind. 435 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,080 So that was part of it. 436 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:11,120 But I think, I think it's really important for newer overlanders and especially like 437 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:16,560 people that aren't in fully built ones are just starting to build like an SUV out or 438 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,480 a crossover or something like that. 439 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:25,560 Your biggest, your biggest asset isn't necessarily the equipment that you put on your vehicle, 440 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,480 but the experience on, on what lines you're taking. 441 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,440 Yeah. 442 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,000 A good line is always the way to go. 443 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,920 I mean, you can get through almost anything in Michigan and a Prius if you know how to 444 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,920 drive. 445 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:39,920 Yeah. 446 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:47,040 I will say Alex can test cause I have, I have improved over the last year of wheeling and 447 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,640 he can contest for that for a lot. 448 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:55,000 I can, I can say that you just from when I've known you, you hit things hard, but you get 449 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,640 through it all. 450 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,040 I I've seen you hit some stuff that I'm like, dude, just slow it out. 451 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,160 And I'm like, how does that feel for him? 452 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,160 Cause I know what you're running. 453 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,160 You're running the same shit I am. 454 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,280 And I'm like, how? 455 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,800 It doesn't feel great. 456 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:18,400 But now, yeah, like I do give my new truck a lot of credit compared to the old one. 457 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,880 Cause the old one did not have anything aftermarket for Lyft or anything. 458 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:28,600 So I can tell there's a difference in the performance because of that, but I still think 459 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:34,400 overall my experience on trail has shown in the last year now from what it was and what 460 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,400 is now. 461 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,400 100%. 462 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,400 I agree with that. 463 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,640 Mine's grown exponentially in the last summer. 464 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,040 The summer I've really been getting down into the things that we did this weekend. 465 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,600 I would not have done at the beginning of the summer. 466 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,240 And if I did, I'd been really scared. 467 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,960 I know that I skipped hill climbs at the beginning of the summer. 468 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,440 I was not touching any type of hill climb. 469 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:05,040 When you hit that one stand hill climb, you like, you went up it and then you're just 470 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,800 like, Oh, I'm going to go do it again. 471 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,440 It was, it was really fun watching you play with that stuff. 472 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,440 Yeah. 473 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,440 The, um, honestly, I really, really misjudged that first one. 474 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,440 That was really easy. 475 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,840 When I got up there, I was like, Oh, this is easy. 476 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,240 I've done way harder than this. 477 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:28,040 Um, just in the couple of weeks ago in the desert, um, I did, I did some hill climbs 478 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,040 that made that one like, look like nothing. 479 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,640 So I was like, Oh dude, this one's easy. 480 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,640 And then I was like, well, I'll just go up this other one too. 481 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,960 And the other one was easy until a point. 482 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,000 And then you kind of hit like a, you get up towards the top of it and there's like a little 483 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,840 lump and I hit that lump and started slowing down a little bit. 484 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,280 And then it started pushing me into the bank and I, and there was just a tree that popped 485 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,240 out a little bit and it popped my mirror out and my gang, whatever finished the hill climb, 486 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,000 got up it just fine. 487 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,320 And then went down the hill and grabbed my mirror and came back down and I was good, 488 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,320 but I wouldn't have done that months ago. 489 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,320 Not at all. 490 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,040 So I know that my experience is better. 491 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:18,360 And I know by the time I got done with, I think it was Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I 492 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:21,360 was feeling pretty good Sunday. 493 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,440 I was like, okay, this is a walk in the park. 494 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:29,040 And then we, uh, you know, after Sunday, we, my son woke up, he pretty much slept the whole 495 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,360 trail day, um, yeah, which was, which is good and bad because he really likes being on the 496 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:35,360 trails too. 497 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:41,960 He's, you know, he's 11, almost 12 months and he does enjoy like looking the trails. 498 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,680 So we got to the end, we got back to the camp and he woke up right as we were pulling into 499 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,560 camp and he was, he got out of a seat and he's like, ah, ah, and I'm like, oh, you want 500 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:52,560 to go on trails? 501 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,560 Huh? 502 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,560 I'm like, all right. 503 00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:01,400 So I turned around and, and we, uh, there was a little hill that I was not going to 504 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,840 try to attempt Thursday. 505 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,600 That looked pretty rough to me. 506 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,840 And by Sunday I was like, yeah, I could do it. 507 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,800 It walked right up it, went up at turn around and like, cool. 508 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,800 I did it. 509 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:14,800 I said, I did it. 510 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,800 I got done. 511 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,800 I'm leaving it. 512 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,360 Went up, went up some, uh, some bushwhack trails and, uh, which are pretty fun. 513 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:25,240 I wish we would have been able to do them if we had the time. 514 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,000 But, uh, then I came back and that was it, man. 515 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,560 That was, uh, but yeah, just that weekend, my experience, it's great. 516 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,560 It skyrocketed. 517 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,060 Yeah. 518 00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:42,560 How many, uh, before this weekend, how many, like four or five day trips have you done? 519 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,400 Oh gosh. 520 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,360 Probably I'd say a good couple of handfuls. 521 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:52,280 Um, yeah, I've done my, in, as me and Alex had talked before. 522 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,920 Our, our style trips are a little different. 523 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,800 Um, so he, like it, just to reiterate for anyone who's a little bit newer, he likes 524 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,400 to set up more of like a base camp and wield the area so that he's lighter and that he 525 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,320 can, doesn't have to worry about all the junk in his trunk, as they say. 526 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:16,800 Um, I, I, I like to have all my stuff with me and I do more of an expedition type overland 527 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:23,480 where I hit a point, I camp it, and then I traveled to the next point camp that and yeah, 528 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,080 I'll try, I'll look at the trails and stuff around me, but I may have a basic plan to 529 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,080 get to a certain area and then turn around. 530 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:36,440 So like, for example, this weekend, um, we decided we were going to sit around the Yuma 531 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,440 trail area. 532 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:43,920 So we set up a base camp around the Yuma trail area, did all of the blue trails in this area. 533 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,320 And the difference between what he would have done versus me is I probably, the only difference 534 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:54,480 would have been I would have set up towards the lower end of the blue trail one night, 535 00:28:54,480 --> 00:29:01,160 moved up, um, done all of the trails in between, set up the second night, third night, fourth 536 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,840 night and so on to get all the way up and past Yuma and then come back down. 537 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,440 But that's, that's a whole different, you know, that's more driving intense. 538 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,360 I mean, you're driving all fricking day, you're setting up at like eight, you're using more 539 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,600 gas, everyone's a little bit more stressed out. 540 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,080 So it's not quite as laid back. 541 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:28,800 And I was really glad to do like a base camp style for one of the last trips, um, because 542 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,640 they are a little bit more laid back. 543 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,240 Um, and I really enjoyed it. 544 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,240 Yeah. 545 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:43,360 Last year we did like 15 or 1600 miles for our end of year, our yearly trip. 546 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,680 And it, it was fun. 547 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,840 It was fun being in a different spot every night. 548 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,360 But once we got down into like Illinois, man, campsites are not, you can't just camp like 549 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,720 we can up here. 550 00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:00,120 You have to go and actually pay for a campsite and it, it got exhausting pretty fricking 551 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,120 quick. 552 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,200 Yeah, I will say that for anybody looking to start this, having a good plan, having 553 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,800 a good, uh, knowing where you're heading, knowing where you're, especially if you're 554 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:17,400 going to disperse camp, knowing where those areas are, it's pretty crucial. 555 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,520 Um, I know in Michigan, it's not all that hard to find dispersed camping. 556 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,040 We have a lot of state forests and stuff around. 557 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,400 Uh, you want to travel about an hour. 558 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,960 You can get into a whole national forest or there's something like that and you can find 559 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,960 a spot. 560 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,960 Say for us, you don't even have to go an hour. 561 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,600 You go 10 minutes in one direction. 562 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,880 You're going to head in that, right. 563 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,560 Which is weird because you know, Michigan doesn't have bad wheeling, but we have a lot 564 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,120 of national forests, a lot of dispersed camping spots. 565 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,920 So it's kind of what makes Michigan unique is we may not have hard wheeling, uh, but 566 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,920 we have some challenges. 567 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,520 We have some beautiful trails and we have a lot of them. 568 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,800 I mean, just spread out everywhere, hidden gems waiting to be found. 569 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:06,720 Um, so yeah, I mean, over overall, I think Yuma wasn't bad. 570 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,320 Um, we did, I think we missed out on tree jumping. 571 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,320 Yup. 572 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,280 Uh, but that's okay. 573 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,200 It's one I really wanted to do, but it didn't have anything challenging. 574 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,360 It just, it looked like a fun trail. 575 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,360 Yeah. 576 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,760 I mean, and we did our own tree jumping too. 577 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,920 We went off trail, found some bush, wacky trails and we had some good 12 inch logs that 578 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,040 we were jumping over. 579 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,280 So I mean, we did our own tree jump. 580 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,200 We did our own cool thing like that. 581 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,200 It really, really well. 582 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,320 I think the kids enjoyed it. 583 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,320 The dog enjoyed it. 584 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,480 I think we all had fun. 585 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,920 Good food, good people. 586 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,920 Lots of good food. 587 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:44,920 Yeah. 588 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,920 Yeah. 589 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,920 Yeah. 590 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:47,920 Yup. 591 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,920 Yeah. 592 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,920 Those street tacos are pretty good, man. 593 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:50,920 Thanks. 594 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:57,800 It was very improvised, like, well, hopefully it lives up to the name, but I was kind of 595 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,800 like, eh, might work. 596 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,800 Yeah. 597 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,800 You were, you picked a dangerous one. 598 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,920 Having, having Hispanics on the roster for the night. 599 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,840 Sienna, I actually really liked them. 600 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,320 She talked about it after we got in the tent. 601 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,000 She's like, she's like, I'm not going to lie. 602 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000 I wish there was more. 603 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,000 It was pretty good. 604 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,000 Yeah. 605 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,120 I should have bought another bag of chicken. 606 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,640 Oh, that's all right. 607 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,960 No, I think my first night I didn't cook, uh, as much. 608 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,280 And then I overcompensated the rest. 609 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,280 So what was it? 610 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,280 Yeah. 611 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,920 What was the first night we did? 612 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,760 We did the hot dogs and then we had eggs, pancakes, spam. 613 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,600 The first morning there wasn't really enough. 614 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,400 And then after that, it was like, I did eggs of chorizo. 615 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,600 I used the leftover stuff from Alex's hobo pie. 616 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:47,700 He had some potatoes and onions left and I had a couple, a couple logs of chorizo left. 617 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:52,480 So I use the rest of our eggs and chorizo to make some of that. 618 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,520 That breakfast that last night, that was really good. 619 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,520 Yeah. 620 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,880 Oh, did I make breakfast the morning of? 621 00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:59,880 Yeah. 622 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:05,440 That's what you made last morning was the, with the leftover hobo packet stuff. 623 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,440 Yeah. 624 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,440 The steak and everything. 625 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,200 I had a taco packet. 626 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,680 One of the fancier taco packets that you can get at Meyer. 627 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,360 And it was actually pretty good. 628 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,560 I fried the potatoes first, fried the onions and mushrooms second and had the, had the 629 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,560 bean all in there. 630 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,000 And then we added it all into a pot and had some little breakfast tacos and they're pretty 631 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,000 good. 632 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,000 All right. 633 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,280 I guess we should get off food because we're going to make these listeners really want 634 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,280 to eat. 635 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,280 So, all right. 636 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,640 Here's a good one. 637 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:43,360 What was the, what was something that you wish you had this on this trip that you didn't 638 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,600 and what was something that you realized while we were, you know, while we were here that 639 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:56,480 you were using or that, or that you had that you were like, fuck, this is such a good idea. 640 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:02,400 So start off, let's start off with Alex, something you wish you had the whole camp trip and didn't 641 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,840 have something that you had. 642 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,000 And it was like, thank God. 643 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,680 I really, I can't think of anything. 644 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,560 I mean, I brought the house in the kitchen sink. 645 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,280 That was the joke the whole weekend. 646 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,360 Yeah, right. 647 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,520 I really can't think of anything that I didn't have. 648 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,560 I mean, a heater would have been nice, but we did fine without it. 649 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,280 Yeah. 650 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,040 I really can't think of anything that comes right to mind. 651 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,400 Like anything bathroom related. 652 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,440 Okay. 653 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:41,280 So because you had a anything, well, no. 654 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,000 Nobody knows you don't share toilet seats. 655 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,000 Thankfully, thankfully we had that situation under control, but that was, that was honestly, 656 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,360 like if I didn't have that, that would have sucked. 657 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,120 No, I a hundred percent agree. 658 00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:03,240 If I didn't have your toilet to, uh, I think, I think everybody at Mark and Alan were the 659 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,320 only ones I didn't see go in there. 660 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,120 And but I'm like, they must have like a pooper or something in their tent because there's 661 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,120 no way. 662 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,840 I don't know how you guys are doing it. 663 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,200 I usually go through camp. 664 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,800 We can barely using a toilet. 665 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,800 That's crazy. 666 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,800 They go to the gas station. 667 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,120 Well, I know. 668 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,640 Yeah, we did that. 669 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:33,400 Uh, I think, so for me, like something that I didn't have that I wish that I did was probably, 670 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,760 um, more pillows and blankets. 671 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,720 I just for comfort, not even, not even warmth, but for comfort, we were on kind of a slow, 672 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:47,760 but it would have been nice to throw a blanket down to have the kid run around on the blanket. 673 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:54,080 Um, but I was really, really, really glad that we had, we ended up getting a heater. 674 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,080 Uh, what was it? 675 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,080 Friday morning? 676 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,080 Yeah. 677 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,400 I like the first night you got a heater. 678 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,400 Yeah. 679 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,520 We used Alex's a little buddy heater and that was great. 680 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:09,160 But as it was starting to get colder, he almost needed it for his dog more than anything. 681 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:14,280 I mean, that's something I wish that I had brought Mercy's coat because she was her. 682 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,280 Yeah. 683 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,480 Or like even like a heated blanket for mercy. 684 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,280 They make those heated dog pads. 685 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,280 That would be great. 686 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,180 Like a battery powered heating blanket. 687 00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:25,240 They have the little, they have charging blocks. 688 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:29,520 Um, yeah, she needs to just quit getting old on me so she can handle the cold. 689 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,440 So Arizona dogs, so Arizona dogs are starting used to it. 690 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,800 But, I mean, yeah, Arizona, I'm sorry, Arizona. 691 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,800 Mercy was really, really chilly these, the last couple of days, it got really cold, started 692 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,760 to chill your bones a little bit when you were outside. 693 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:52,840 Um, and then it started raining that last day and I, I was so glad I had that, that 694 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,840 heater. 695 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,640 I will say that I'm definitely, I'm definitely going to diesel next year. 696 00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,640 Yeah. 697 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,720 I went through, I, I measured it. 698 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:05,200 I went through two cans a night of one pounders. 699 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:12,360 So I was going through two pant, two pounders a night, which is roughly, it was what? 700 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,360 Okay. 701 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,360 20, it was, that'd be 20 bucks a night. 702 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,360 Yeah. 703 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:23,640 20 bucks a night, which is not ideal by the time I got to the last night. 704 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,340 And what, what is it I was using for the camp stove, what we were all kind of using that 705 00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:28,340 same stove. 706 00:37:28,340 --> 00:37:34,880 By the time we got done with all that, I would say we probably went through probably 10 cans. 707 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,880 Yeah. 708 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:42,920 10, maybe 12 between Alex using his cans the next couple of nights too. 709 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,240 So that's, that's a good 120, 180 bucks. 710 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:52,520 I say 180 just because of, you know, all the extra, we had some half cans, we had some 711 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,280 extra ones that went out too. 712 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,920 That day that we bought some, we should have just got together and got like a 20 pounder. 713 00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:59,920 Yeah. 714 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:00,920 Yeah. 715 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:07,000 Highly suggested doing a 20 pound tank for us instead of just the little Coleman tanks. 716 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,560 I knew, I knew it wasn't going to last much longer than this weekend. 717 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,160 My only issue with that is like needing to spread out your, the 20 pounder in my tent 718 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,560 and then something for your tent too. 719 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:24,580 So like that was the only issue I had for that keeping them warm, but we really weren't 720 00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:26,020 using it in our tent. 721 00:38:26,020 --> 00:38:28,280 Most of what we used was on the stove. 722 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,280 Yeah. 723 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,280 Yeah. 724 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,280 I don't know. 725 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,680 I, I, I, for a 20 pound tank, that would have been nice. 726 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,960 I think, I think a 10 pound tank is perfect. 727 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,040 Like 10 or 11 pound, I think is what they make though. 728 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,720 They make those 10, 11 pounders that you can strap to. 729 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:49,540 I think that would have been great for those four days, two pounds a night, having a little 730 00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:51,720 extra for the stove. 731 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:57,640 And if you guys look at the cost breakdown of that, it's, it's like $2 a gallon to fill 732 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:04,420 your propane up on those at like a tractor supply or a gas station. 733 00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:06,680 They fill up your existing tank. 734 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:13,320 Whereas you're looking at $10 a bottle almost, right? 735 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,920 Was it $10 a bottle or 10 bottles for a two pack? 736 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,920 $10. 737 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,920 Yeah. 738 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,020 $10 for a two pack that you were going through per night. 739 00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:25,800 So at that point you might as well just get a state park, go sit in a state park cause 740 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,640 you're already paying 20 bucks a night. 741 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,480 Just, you know what I mean? 742 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,560 Just to heat your stuff. 743 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,640 So might as well just get full electric. 744 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,800 I hate to say it like that, but that's kind of how I saw it as, as I was going, you know, 745 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:39,800 through that last couple of days. 746 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,840 And I'm like, dude, we're going through, I think that last, that actually that last morning 747 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,980 I went through three tanks. 748 00:39:45,980 --> 00:39:46,980 It was cold though. 749 00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:52,240 We, yeah, because it rained and we went to bed at like six, we got into our tents and 750 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,320 stuff after we ate dinner. 751 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,360 So we went through a tank six to, you know, every couple hours, four or five hours we 752 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,440 go through a tank. 753 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,320 So by the time we woke up in the morning, we had already gone through, yeah, through 754 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:10,040 tanks and also definitely diesel eaters in the future. 755 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,220 Cause that'll save us a ton of money. 756 00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:20,040 Not only that, but I have a infant and I wasn't as worried for the O2. 757 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,720 It was definitely a concern, O2 issues and these, and, and buddy heaters. 758 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:29,720 But my biggest issue was when he woke up and wanted to crawl over and grab it. 759 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,720 Those things are hot. 760 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:35,160 And, and it was a constant fight trying to keep him off of it. 761 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,920 Now granted next year he'll be one or so and he'll, he'll probably have a better understanding. 762 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,560 But for some of these other people that are thinking about putting buddy eaters in there, 763 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,600 you don't think about that at first, but if you're in the middle of sleeping and your 764 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:51,600 kid starts crawling around the tent, um, you know, they have safety switches and all that 765 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,600 was cool. 766 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,600 But if they touch that front metal, great. 767 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,080 They're burning their hand for sure. 768 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,600 Yeah, that's already hot. 769 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,600 Yeah. 770 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,920 So, yeah, that was, uh, that was, that was one thing that I'm glad that I had that I 771 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,520 was like, who kind of saved our vacancy this weekend. 772 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,160 Like I said earlier in the episode, we were all sick. 773 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,800 Um, Jasper, when he starts teething, he gets sick and he gets us all sick. 774 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,640 So we were all kind of battling it out and having something to keep the air a little 775 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:26,080 warmer so that we weren't freezing and breathing in cold air because it doesn't help the sinuses. 776 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,480 Um, it was nice. 777 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,280 So diesel heaters, I think we're all doing diesel heaters next year. 778 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,640 And that's going to, that might free us up to do some more winter camping next year. 779 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,600 So I'm excited for that. 780 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,440 Getting away from the farm is kind of hard, but yeah, but you know, we can do, we can 781 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:50,640 do weekend, we can do a night, you know, um, you know, doing a, doing a night isn't so 782 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:56,800 bad either, you know, doing like a Friday, Friday night into Saturday evening. 783 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,400 And you need like half the stuff for a night. 784 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,400 Exactly. 785 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,000 You, you own like, I only have to bring like hot dogs. 786 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000 Yeah. 787 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,000 And that's it. 788 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,000 You know what I mean? 789 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,960 So, I mean, right. 790 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,960 Yeah. 791 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:15,120 As long as this, as long as it's like a one night or something, I think would be fine. 792 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,480 But you know, just to get out there, I mean, I get such bad cabin fever that if I'm not 793 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,680 wheeling this year during the winter, man, I don't know what I'm going to do. 794 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,200 All right, Mark, what's something you wish you had brought? 795 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,840 Uh, wouldn't I be a heater? 796 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,800 At least take the edge off in the morning, morning, trying to crawl out a nice warm sleeping 797 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,280 bag was very annoying. 798 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,960 Trying to convince myself to get up. 799 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,520 Oh, I know. 800 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,400 Trying to get up and just go pee. 801 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,440 Like I had to get up and go pee multiple times. 802 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,320 And we joked multiple times about having a heater in the little bathroom area because 803 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:59,520 it was like, dude, you're like teeth chattering out there, you know, hands around your legs 804 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,840 and you're like, damn, it's cold. 805 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:02,840 What are you talking about jokes? 806 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,200 I brought my little buddy with me every time I went at night time. 807 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,200 I thought about it. 808 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,800 My wife probably killed me. 809 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,280 It was, it was, it was such a big difference in the tent that as soon as I opened the 810 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,080 door, you could feel a good 10 degree difference come in. 811 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:22,960 It was, uh, those, those, after I bought the, that buddy heater from tractor, I could sleep 812 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:29,200 in my, not even a t-shirt, like just, just bare and without, and, and, and no blanket. 813 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,200 Let me say that. 814 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,840 Like no, no comforter or nothing. 815 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,360 And I was comfortable. 816 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,440 So let me preface that. 817 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:40,400 Like yes, you could sleep in your, in your sleeping bag like Alex does buck naked and 818 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,400 be fine. 819 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,200 But I was sleeping out of my sleeping bag buck naked and was fine. 820 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:52,040 So that, that was a big improvement on our sleeping. 821 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,720 And if anyone doesn't know sleeping buck naked when you're camping, it's the way to go. 822 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:57,720 Yep. 823 00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:03,040 Until you start hearing stuff in the woods, weirdo popping out of your tent buck naked. 824 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,320 But no, we didn't have any weird, we didn't have any weird things happen. 825 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,320 Really. 826 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:13,000 We had the, the bar, the, the owls were like the creepies. 827 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,520 The weasel you're right, Mark. 828 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:20,680 He had, he had these weasels that were like the size of chipmunks, but there were little 829 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:26,280 weasels and I'm sitting there, you know, I'm sleeping with my hand outside of the tent 830 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,640 of the sleeping bag on the floor. 831 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,360 And all of a sudden I feel something from underneath the tent hooking up and hitting 832 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,360 my hand. 833 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,360 And I'm like, what the fuck? 834 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,360 What is that? 835 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,240 And dude, I literally played pop the weasel. 836 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:42,720 Like I'm sitting there like fuck you, like get out of here. 837 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:48,080 Oh, or like trying to smack them with a propane tank, like trying to get them out of there 838 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,080 that you could hear them. 839 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,200 And it's funny enough, my son stepped on them on accident the next day and you could hear 840 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,200 him. 841 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,840 You could hear him like, what the heck? 842 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,080 I've never seen these things before in my life. 843 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,440 And then now they're all over this field that we were sleeping in. 844 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,440 Yeah. 845 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,760 Watching, watching Wrangler try and catch one from underneath the tent. 846 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:08,760 Yeah. 847 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,600 And he's just paw over paw running across their 15 foot wide tent. 848 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:14,600 Yeah. 849 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,360 No, that was, that was funny. 850 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,200 That was like, that was a really good one. 851 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,840 I would say also for you, Alex, maybe sand stakes. 852 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,840 Yeah. 853 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,000 I definitely needed to bring sand stakes to that last night. 854 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000 Yeah. 855 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,840 That's another one that one corner popped up and just flooded. 856 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,840 It was like a river running under. 857 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,480 Thank God that I sleep on a cot, dude. 858 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,480 Yeah. 859 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:44,080 The only water issue that we had was the condensation, which is known for anyone that runs buddies 860 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,640 or any kind of propane heaters in the tent. 861 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,360 The condensation, we'd get like a drip down on us every once in a while. 862 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,800 And then oddly enough, like running those heaters all night, the propane tanks collect 863 00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:02,480 a lot of frost and then that frost would melt and you'd get like a small little bit of water. 864 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,000 But that was really the only water issues we had in that tent, which is, which is good. 865 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,200 I mean, that tent, the way that that's laid out is pretty well waterproofed, not really 866 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,260 any way for water to get in there. 867 00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:16,640 The rain flies bigger than the tent. 868 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,640 Yeah. 869 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,640 It's like a turtle shell. 870 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:19,640 Yeah. 871 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,920 It's a, it's a great, it's a great harsh weather tent. 872 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,720 It's not a great lounging tent, if that makes sense. 873 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:31,720 Like if you have a nice summer day or something like that and you want to be able to look 874 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:36,600 up at the stars and all that, not as great there with your rain fly on. 875 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,440 But other than that, dude, it kept us warm, kept us dry. 876 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,120 Your guys's tents did well. 877 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,120 Yeah. 878 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,520 I guess we're running the same tents other than that one part collapsing and then needing 879 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,480 sand stakes, which is just a terrain issue, not necessarily the 10. 880 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,480 Right. 881 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,480 Yeah. 882 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,480 They did well. 883 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,920 For a hundred bucks. 884 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,680 That's probably the best tent you can buy. 885 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,680 It's big. 886 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,680 It's roomy. 887 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,760 You can fit what? 888 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,880 Three queen size air mattresses in there. 889 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:10,480 It's definitely, it's definitely good base camp tent, I would say. 890 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,120 And the setup's not horrible with it. 891 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:17,160 So I can't say that it's not a good expedition style tent. 892 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:23,160 And I'm using expedition lightly just to help classify what Alex does versus what I do. 893 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,040 Base camp versus expedition is kind of what I've been using. 894 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:31,400 But I would say that it's not the worst even for beginner expeditions. 895 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,000 I mean, it's a really big tent. 896 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:40,160 If you want a really good budget Coleman tent when you're first starting out, I don't think 897 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,480 it's the bad one. 898 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,800 There are much worse choices that you could make. 899 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,080 That's for sure. 900 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,640 So yeah. 901 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:55,880 Well, so what we, we had some, we didn't really have any trail failures. 902 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,560 And I say that, yeah, well, the CV actually, I wouldn't even call trail because we got 903 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,560 home. 904 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,560 Yeah. 905 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,520 So, so I think honestly, this weekend we did really well. 906 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,720 We had really good fire. 907 00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:12,960 Mark has a pickup truck. 908 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,040 So he brought the fire ring and everything. 909 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,040 Yeah. 910 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,040 That was really nice. 911 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:22,160 We had some, we listened to some good music and around the fire, I carved out a little, 912 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,200 a little, I don't even know, mascot for botches. 913 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:33,680 I decided that, you know, after me and Alex were messing with our chainsaws, that we were 914 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,360 going to, I was going to carve something up. 915 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,200 I got it in my head that I wanted to carve some toys or something. 916 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,480 So I, I made a plan in my own head of what I was going to try to make a bear. 917 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,400 And then it started to look more like an owl. 918 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,600 Then it started to look like the weird, weird, uh, aliens from Toy Story. 919 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:53,600 Yeah. 920 00:48:53,600 --> 00:49:00,660 The weird alien from Tori story or that, um, totem from brother bear, I hear. 921 00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:06,040 So it, so to me, it's just a barrel and, and honestly, I was really happy. 922 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,760 We got it pretty, I got it pretty well carved out. 923 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,960 Maybe Alex will edit as cover art here so that he can show what it looks like. 924 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:20,280 And to this point, I might make that, uh, probably not the episode cover, but definitely 925 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,560 a chapter cover. 926 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,560 Yeah. 927 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,040 And, but, uh, yeah, I got it carved out and honestly, my son loved it. 928 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,040 He was playing with it all night. 929 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,640 I had pictures of him, you know, he was teething. 930 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,480 So he was gnawing on it too. 931 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,920 And it was kind of special for me. 932 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:41,560 Um, you know, it's, it hits you a little different when it's something handmade that you spent 933 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,920 time on and he really liked it. 934 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,120 I started making a pickup truck too. 935 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:53,000 And he played with that and the doll or whatever you call it, the, uh, all, all that night 936 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,540 and then the next morning and, and still plays with them at home. 937 00:49:56,540 --> 00:49:59,920 So he was walking around with the unfinished truck that I haven't even finished either. 938 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,960 Yeah, no, I haven't finished it out yet. 939 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,480 I just started digging the box out, uh, that night when it started, it started raining 940 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,480 a little bit. 941 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,360 So yeah, no, I mean, it all went well. 942 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,280 Um, the kid loved it. 943 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,560 He had a fricking blast. 944 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,160 The inner really liked it. 945 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,160 I don't know. 946 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,160 I just, uh, it was a good trip. 947 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,160 It was good year trip. 948 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,160 Um, I don't know. 949 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,760 We'll have to start planning on what we want to do next year. 950 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:32,240 I think I haven't talked to you guys much about what we want to do next year, but I 951 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:35,400 mean, now's not a bad time to do it right on the pod. 952 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:45,360 No, I'm thinking like, I don't know about you guys as far as how you guys like, um, 953 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:51,960 going how far you want to go out, but I've noticed that we do all west and I want to 954 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,680 check some east off. 955 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:59,040 Well, I am kind of thinking about possibly doing badlands. 956 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:05,120 I think that badlands would be a very good trip for us kind of overland down to the badlands 957 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,800 park and then spend a day or two in badlands. 958 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:08,800 Yeah. 959 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,080 I know we talked about badlands before. 960 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,280 Yeah, I, um, I'm with you a little bit on that. 961 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:26,440 Um, it's not my type, but I could definitely get, get her, get around it a little bit. 962 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:32,080 I always, I always say that parks aren't really my thing until I started playing in parks. 963 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:38,680 Um, as long as it's a big enough park that I'm not seeing over and over again, I'm good. 964 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,680 Yeah. 965 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:46,960 Um, the way that we do it, we kind of, we go for the scenery and the, um, the end points. 966 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:56,400 So we're trying to get to, uh, different towns, different locales, beaches, different points, 967 00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,800 um, you know, going to museums, historical areas. 968 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,200 So that's kind of what I like doing, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. 969 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:16,880 I think my original, um, my original request was maybe going east to do the St. Helen or 970 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,640 V route. 971 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:24,240 They have a big blue trail there and then they have a bunch of big blue trails up there. 972 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:29,640 Um, North Meridian road, Heath. 973 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:36,480 Um, and then they have a really, I don't know how long this one is. 974 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,440 It looks like 17 miles. 975 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:45,800 So it's bigger than Yuma, uh, 17 mile the St. Helen or V route, which is just east of 976 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:46,800 us. 977 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,880 So it really wouldn't be a far drive. 978 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,360 I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to St. Helen. 979 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,720 I think, uh, for me, badlands, uh, isn't like super high on my list. 980 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:06,120 I understand the allure to it, but just, I would almost want to do St. Helens. 981 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:14,000 Um, you know, Heath, this blue stuff here, and then just explore because I've never, 982 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,480 I've never been this far east for off-roading. 983 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:27,440 It's always been, it's always been very like Tawas, um, you know, all coastal. 984 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:34,200 Um, but I know at some point we want to go, there's, there's a Northeast, there's a, uh, 985 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,040 uh, a rod and gun tower loop. 986 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,440 Uh, it's a blue trail. 987 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,520 That's only like six miles though, but there's a crap ton of trails around it. 988 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,760 And that's kind of the 20. 989 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,220 So we can do St. Helens for 2025, uh, 2026. 990 00:53:52,220 --> 00:53:56,000 We want to either do tell you ride or Moab. 991 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,560 Yeah. 992 00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,840 Uh, where's tell you ride? 993 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,400 Uh, Colorado. 994 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,200 Oh, geez. 995 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,160 Is that a park or an area? 996 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,320 Uh, it's a city. 997 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:15,040 Cause I would be probably more down for tell you ride than it would be Moab. 998 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,040 It's just mine. 999 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,960 Oh, nevermind then. 1000 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,040 So maybe it'll be, maybe it'll be just equal. 1001 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,000 I think I'd still like to check Colorado off. 1002 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,840 You haven't even been to the desert, man. 1003 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:34,480 I know you like trees, but I have a list. 1004 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,680 I have a list of priorities and the desert's just not on them. 1005 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:39,680 Yeah. 1006 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,720 That's the easiest way for me to put it. 1007 00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:49,520 I have Moab and these other, these other places, CNN and I don't prefer the desert type of 1008 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,380 landscape. 1009 00:54:51,380 --> 00:55:00,480 We like, we like dark greens and lush forests and rainforests and stuff like what's in Canada. 1010 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,880 So I don't know. 1011 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:04,880 I don't know. 1012 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,280 Oh, maybe. 1013 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,280 But would you be, would you be willing to go and do stuff like that over Moab? 1014 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,540 No. 1015 00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:16,240 So that's like, I don't know. 1016 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:17,780 Flagstaff would be really fun. 1017 00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:21,640 I haven't been there in 2016. 1018 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:22,640 Yeah. 1019 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,980 So that's like where, that's where I'm like, if you go to Arizona, you're going for typically 1020 00:55:27,980 --> 00:55:30,080 you're going from Moab, right? 1021 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,080 Moab's Utah, but. 1022 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,080 Oh, I'm sorry. 1023 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,080 You're right. 1024 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,080 You're right. 1025 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,640 What was the heck am I thinking of then down there? 1026 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:46,400 I mean, to be fair, Moab and Flagstaff aren't crazy far apart. 1027 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,080 I mean, I think I heard of something else in Arizona. 1028 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,760 I'm trying to remember. 1029 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,960 Moab is closer to Flagstaff than Michigan is to Flagstaff. 1030 00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,960 So right. 1031 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,760 Yeah, we'll see. 1032 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,280 That's still pretty far away. 1033 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:11,600 And I think we're all the type that we don't usually know until pretty quick toward, you 1034 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,880 know, closer to the end. 1035 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,120 No. 1036 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,760 I mean, I think I'm going to be a little bit confused with work and everything right now. 1037 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:31,040 But I know that if I can get there, I really want to go to, you know, do Drummond at some 1038 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,240 point, because I want to check that off my list. 1039 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:39,120 I would like to do. 1040 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,560 There's a blue trail just into Canada. 1041 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,760 Highline Highway. 1042 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,840 That's on my list, too. 1043 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:55,920 And then my biggest check off for next year for just us in general, Sienna and I and the 1044 00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,760 kid is going to be Copper Harbor, all the trails up to Copper Harbor. 1045 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,880 There's a really long one that goes all the way from the tip of Copper Harbor, where there's 1046 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,320 some nice blue trails up there. 1047 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:14,720 And then, yeah, and then the the seven hour plane crash trail. 1048 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,560 We want to take that. 1049 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:17,920 That's pretty much shut down now. 1050 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,840 They shut down the or they shut down parts of it. 1051 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,000 They shut down the front and the end of it. 1052 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,320 I don't even think it's on onyx anymore, is it? 1053 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,320 Yes. 1054 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,120 Yeah, I kind of heard mixed things about that. 1055 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:34,080 Yeah, some they shut down some areas, but there's a bypass around some of the others. 1056 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,000 So I'd like to do that. 1057 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,400 And then I we wanted to do it this year for fall colors. 1058 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,960 We're just not going to get around to it. 1059 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:52,920 The porcupine mountains and the lake of the clouds is high on our watch list for next 1060 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:53,920 year. 1061 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,640 We really want to do it. 1062 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:56,640 We've been waiting. 1063 00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,060 We were going to do it this year. 1064 00:58:00,060 --> 00:58:03,760 You know, with this, we were probably going to do it around this area with fall colors. 1065 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,120 And then we did so we did this trip with botches. 1066 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,920 And then I have a cryptid trip that I had planning out coming up. 1067 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,140 And so we just didn't have the time to save for that kind of thing. 1068 00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:19,680 So yeah, that's going to be a that's going to be a big one. 1069 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:20,680 I'd really like to do copper. 1070 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,360 I'd really like to do the seven hour plane crash. 1071 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,880 I could do that in a day. 1072 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,560 You seven hour play crash. 1073 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,360 I would play in a couple of days. 1074 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:37,720 Yes, and make sure you start from Wisconsin and not drive up to the Keto on Peninsula 1075 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,520 and drive all the way back like we did. 1076 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,480 I say it took us. 1077 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,120 I mean, we did that trip in about four days, three days on that trail. 1078 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,120 Yeah. 1079 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,120 Oh, did you? 1080 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,160 And that was that was driving pretty much all day every day. 1081 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:59,400 Oh, I'm only talking about from that to like my plan was to do seven hour down to the porcupine 1082 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,400 mountains. 1083 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,560 So just that trail, that part of the trail right there. 1084 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:08,480 If you're starting, OK, if you're starting at the top of that one, I wouldn't even mess 1085 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,480 with seven hour. 1086 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,360 I just follow Bill Nichols. 1087 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,400 Yeah, that's kind of what I'm. 1088 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,000 Yeah, I could see that is down towards the end here. 1089 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,400 It's called Bill Nichols. 1090 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:25,680 But that same trail that says Bill Nichols is saying that it's the seven hour plane crash 1091 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,680 too. 1092 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,480 So that's the only reason why I said that. 1093 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,560 No, they're not the same. 1094 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:37,360 Bill Nichols trail comes all starts at Houghton and then comes around and becomes the mill 1095 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,640 mine, whereas the seven hour plane crash starts at Houghton and then just goes south to South 1096 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:42,640 Range. 1097 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,320 Well, what's the one that goes all the way? 1098 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,920 What's the one that starts up at the Bay at High Rock Bay? 1099 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:48,920 That's seven hour. 1100 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,600 Yeah, that one starts at seven hour. 1101 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:51,960 Yes, you'd follow that down. 1102 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,680 But then that's what I want to start at. 1103 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:54,680 Yeah. 1104 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,640 I take Bill Nichols when you get to the bottom. 1105 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:57,640 Yeah. 1106 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,280 But we want to do I want to spend a couple of days up there in Copper Harbor. 1107 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,760 Sienna's never been up there. 1108 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,040 She's never been to Q&A. 1109 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:12,280 That might just be a trip on its own, just a four day trip in the Q&A area. 1110 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,120 If I could move to Q&A, I would. 1111 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,480 I absolutely love it up there. 1112 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,440 Sienna and I were working on our plan. 1113 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,600 Our plan is to move to Marquette. 1114 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:27,960 And then just that area, the basic area of Marquette. 1115 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,200 We really, really love that area. 1116 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,800 It's beautiful. 1117 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,800 We're good on the snow. 1118 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,320 We were fine with that. 1119 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:40,720 And then and then explore the whole area around here till we're okay, till we're good. 1120 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,620 And then eventually we're going to keep moving west. 1121 01:00:43,620 --> 01:00:46,680 So don't know what that looks like yet. 1122 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:51,920 But that's like our that's our plan for the future. 1123 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:58,360 And just I like the I like that idea of not having you know, for me, I wanted to van camp 1124 01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:59,680 or a lot of this. 1125 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:04,440 I don't want to have a base a house base camp that I'm buying, you know. 1126 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:13,560 So but I'm also I have to think like semi long term, you know, is renting going to be 1127 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,320 better than buying a house. 1128 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:22,120 I don't want to be stuck for five to 10 years in one area per se. 1129 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:27,040 I mean, if you have a good enough job, you just buy a house everywhere you stop and then 1130 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,040 rent it. 1131 01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,040 Yeah. 1132 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,840 I mean, every year, essentially, you know, that's what we'd all want. 1133 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:33,840 Right. 1134 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:38,680 I mean, hopefully our podcast, you know, podcast gets off and we start your YouTube and you 1135 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,400 know, we don't have to worry about this anymore. 1136 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,640 We've got to stand not only would you love to read your messages, but we would love to 1137 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:46,640 quit our jobs. 1138 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,640 Exactly. 1139 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,880 I don't want to I don't want to work my day job anymore. 1140 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,200 This is what I want my day job to be. 1141 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:59,600 But I you know, we have pretty entry level jobs to where you can find them just about 1142 01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:00,600 anywhere. 1143 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,800 So, you know, she was auto zone. 1144 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,480 Yeah, you can work as a farmer. 1145 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,720 That would be a big pay cut. 1146 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:17,440 And something it has there's always ups and downs, especially like in your position to 1147 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,440 ups and downs. 1148 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:26,640 But so we're thinking maybe maybe we rent for a couple of years, like rent a house for 1149 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,000 a couple of years and then we move west and rent a house for a couple of years and move 1150 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,920 west. 1151 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:41,480 And I think other than the only thing that I'm worried about is my son in school. 1152 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:46,600 And you know, that talk will come up with him eventually when we you know, when he's 1153 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,600 able to make these decisions and talk to us about it. 1154 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:55,620 But that's the only thing I'm really worried about there. 1155 01:02:55,620 --> 01:03:03,280 Renting a house is, you know, if you can get to it and do a long term or do a lease. 1156 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,320 I think that's going to be our best way to do it. 1157 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:06,320 We have a house. 1158 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:07,320 It's not an apartment. 1159 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:12,440 So we're not, you know, locked down by, you know, apartment rules and stuff. 1160 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,800 We have a whole house to ourselves for a kid. 1161 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,520 So doing that for a couple of years and then moving out to, you know, running a U-Haul 1162 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:28,880 with a trailer and moving out to North Dakota or Montana is probably our next stop is Montana. 1163 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,080 Doing Montana for a few years, maybe moving a little bit more west because Montana is 1164 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,260 so frickin big. 1165 01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:38,320 And then, yeah, just moving. 1166 01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:39,320 Just keep going. 1167 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:44,440 Just Colorado to Oregon to Washington, Wyoming, everything. 1168 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:45,920 I mean, we want to hit it all. 1169 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:52,760 We want to, you know, we want to travel and see it all. 1170 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,720 So that's kind of the plan for now, hopefully. 1171 01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,240 And we'll see how it goes. 1172 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:05,520 We could be in Michigan the whole rest of our lives after this and take four day trips 1173 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:06,880 or five day trips up there. 1174 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:07,880 Who knows? 1175 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,560 To be fair, that wouldn't be the worst thing, man. 1176 01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,240 Michigan is a beautiful place. 1177 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,560 It's a beautiful place, but it just doesn't have. 1178 01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,200 I have lived all over. 1179 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:23,400 I've lived all over the United States and there's a reason that I came back home. 1180 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:24,400 Because your family's here. 1181 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:25,400 No, I mean, yes. 1182 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,400 Yeah. 1183 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:33,520 I mean, I lived an hour and a half away from my family. 1184 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,120 I mean, I like Michigan too, dude. 1185 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:37,480 I think it's gorgeous. 1186 01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:43,040 I like the fact that we're not getting hurricanes constantly. 1187 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,120 The people don't suck in all of the places. 1188 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,760 There's not a lot of animals that come out to kill you. 1189 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:58,320 So like it's Michigan's a super safe place to live as far as like environmental, you 1190 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:03,920 know, animals, the weather, really, really good place to live. 1191 01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,520 It's just it doesn't have the mountain ranges. 1192 01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:11,480 It doesn't have dark green rainforests. 1193 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,800 It doesn't have things that we haven't seen yet. 1194 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,000 We don't have we don't have massive 30 foot giant sequoias. 1195 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:24,200 You know, it's and my you know, as much as some people say that living in Washington 1196 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,640 and Oregon right now is like the worst thing ever. 1197 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,680 I mean, they're better than California. 1198 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:30,680 Yeah. 1199 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:31,680 Yeah. 1200 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:36,760 I would like nothing more to have a small cabin in the middle of the Redwoods to be 1201 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,000 fair, surrounded by giant sequoias on a river. 1202 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,280 It's like 90 percent of 90 percent of Oregon would be awesome to live in. 1203 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,600 Just stay away from Portland. 1204 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:46,600 Yeah. 1205 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:47,600 Yeah. 1206 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:48,600 I mean, that's that's the plan. 1207 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,600 I would like to live in Oregon or Washington and the trails around there. 1208 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,480 Oh, my God. 1209 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,880 I've got I've got a buddy from Pineville, Oregon, and that area is absolutely beautiful, 1210 01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:00,880 dude. 1211 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:01,880 Like unmatched. 1212 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:02,880 Yeah. 1213 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:09,080 And that's exactly that's the thing, though, is like to me, the videos that I've seen, 1214 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:10,840 of course, these are edited, blah, blah, blah. 1215 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:11,840 I get it. 1216 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,640 But the videos that I've seen and I've watched hours and hundreds of hours, thousands of 1217 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,120 hours of videos. 1218 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,360 Oregon is like it's like my top place. 1219 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:29,640 Oregon, Washington, the rainforest, the the giant sequoias is just just where I want to 1220 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:30,640 be, man. 1221 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:36,120 I there's something about these rainforest areas that I just love rain. 1222 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:37,360 I love rain. 1223 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:42,680 So before before I lived in the desert, Oregon was like my dream place to live for the same 1224 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:43,680 reason. 1225 01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:49,440 But after you actually spend some time in the desert, man, it is because it's brown 1226 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,520 all the time and then it just jumps rain for like a month and it is so much greener than 1227 01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:55,520 anywhere else. 1228 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,320 It is so beautiful. 1229 01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,240 This is editor Alex now. 1230 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:03,440 I just want to say there's a very long pause here that I edited out. 1231 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,080 And that's how you know that Gavin accidentally muted himself. 1232 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,160 And Gavin muted himself. 1233 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,160 Yep. 1234 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,760 Oh, yeah, maybe I didn't unmute. 1235 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:14,760 Sorry. 1236 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,320 I had to cough. 1237 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,320 But I was gonna say that's just Stockholm syndrome, man. 1238 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:25,120 I was like, yeah, like you just used everything being brown and then it just dumps rain. 1239 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:31,200 You're like, wow, so that's just because you're used to seeing brown all the time. 1240 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,560 It's a whole different kind of green when it's green, though. 1241 01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,280 Like it is so beautiful. 1242 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,000 Yeah, no, I mean, I wouldn't I definitely not opposed to it. 1243 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,000 Don't get me wrong. 1244 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,040 It's not like I'm hating on the hating on the southwest down there or nothing. 1245 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,880 I course it has a place. 1246 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,200 Of course, I would love to see it. 1247 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:54,880 I just when CNN and I are talking about our end goals and where we want to be and what 1248 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,040 we want to see, those are highest on our priority list. 1249 01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:03,280 And then as a family unit, that's, of course, what we're going to try to prioritize. 1250 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:11,600 So where Moab might not be the highest on our priority list right now, it's on there. 1251 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:19,400 And of course, if we get a chance to go there relatively cheap and maybe we do that or viewers. 1252 01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,840 Yeah, paid by viewers. 1253 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:22,880 We've been tossing. 1254 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:29,480 We've been tossing around running a car and just taking an airplane, too. 1255 01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:35,520 I mean, if you look at the total cost of overlanding, some of this stuff and the vehicle wear and 1256 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:41,120 tear of going across the country, because we are going just about across the country 1257 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:42,520 for this. 1258 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:49,960 I mean, it's it's almost cheaper to rent a plane and then rent a Jeep or something when 1259 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:50,960 you're there. 1260 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:51,960 We're not. 1261 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,400 I don't know. 1262 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,280 It's just something that we're tossing around because we want to see the sites. 1263 01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,040 We want to see the national parks and stuff. 1264 01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:05,160 We're not looking to do like massive overlanding there, but we still want to check it off our 1265 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,960 list sooner rather than later. 1266 01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:12,600 So it's just something that we're kind of tossing around to maybe that maybe doing that 1267 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,680 as well. 1268 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,440 I definitely would want my forerunner just because I'd like to be able to get pictures 1269 01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:20,480 of my forerunner in the place. 1270 01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:21,480 Yeah, no, for sure. 1271 01:09:21,480 --> 01:09:25,360 I mean, you know, I love I love the pictures just as much. 1272 01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:30,720 So it's when we start looking at the cost breakdown and we're like and you know, when 1273 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,360 I'm looking at I'm like, dude, I'd love to go here in the next year or two. 1274 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,520 And you're looking at how much it's going to cost for everything. 1275 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,560 Oh, man. 1276 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,400 You're like, there's no fricking way. 1277 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:48,240 Well, if you think about it, like just right now, just spitballing, I'll look up flights 1278 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:54,360 from we'll do Detroit because it's always cheaper to fly out of Detroit. 1279 01:09:54,360 --> 01:10:02,520 You will say Portland just come on Expedia load faster. 1280 01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:07,240 I mean, you're looking at four hundred dollars a person to fly. 1281 01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:14,360 Yeah, I'm looking at twenty two hundred miles. 1282 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,800 And let's break down twenty two hundred miles. 1283 01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,240 And we're going to divide that. 1284 01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:26,000 There's twenty two hundred miles divided by two hundred. 1285 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,840 Because I get about two hundred miles a tank. 1286 01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,160 OK. 1287 01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,360 So that's eleven tanks. 1288 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,360 So eleven. 1289 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:40,800 I'm looking at it by mileage. 1290 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:46,880 I'm back with my extra weight and everything I have on there. 1291 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,960 Plus stopping or taking whatever detours, I'm just assuming two hundred a tank. 1292 01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,800 And that's pretty typical of what people are getting. 1293 01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:00,440 So eleven tanks times what are gas prices right now? 1294 01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:04,600 And plus in Oregon, what's the average? 1295 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:10,080 I just put five dollars to average it at 15 miles per gallon. 1296 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,920 You're looking at about seven hundred and thirty three dollars. 1297 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,720 So I'm looking at about the same price to take a flight over there. 1298 01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:20,200 And that's just on gas. 1299 01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:21,200 That's not food. 1300 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,840 That's not any kind of lodging. 1301 01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:23,840 That's not snacks. 1302 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:24,840 That's one way. 1303 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,560 Yeah, that's one way. 1304 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,160 That's road snacks, by the way. 1305 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:37,360 You know, that's it's you're looking at that and like, hmm, it's it's going to be cheaper 1306 01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,080 for sure to get a flight. 1307 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,040 Is it going to be the same experience? 1308 01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,040 Absolutely not. 1309 01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,280 Is it going to be something that I want to do later with the vehicle once I have saved 1310 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,280 up more money? 1311 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:49,280 Absolutely. 1312 01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:50,280 Absolutely. 1313 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,600 I'm not saying that it replaces overlanding. 1314 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:57,080 Obviously, that's why we're all into this hobby or whatever you want to call it in the 1315 01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,720 first place. 1316 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:04,600 But if we're if we're really trying to knock some of these out earlier rather than later, 1317 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:09,700 you know, as a two to three year plan instead of a five to ten year, that might be a quick 1318 01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:15,560 and dirty way to get in there, see it, experience some of it, get an idea for what I want to 1319 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:22,640 do, where I want to go and then come back with a real plan after, you know, and then 1320 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:28,920 actually like plan a trip around what I saw, what I wanted to do, stuff like that. 1321 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,880 You know, like a scouting trip, if you if you will. 1322 01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:38,800 So that's that's something that we've been tossing around to because I don't see myself 1323 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:47,240 going to Washington in the next two, two to four years. 1324 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,880 Just I mean, I mean, anywhere that West, it's a lot of money to save for someone who's, 1325 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:58,840 you know, we're making, you know, we're making average for the typical person around here. 1326 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,880 Yeah, yeah. 1327 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:06,720 And we're coming off every week with not a whole lot saved, obviously, we paid on our 1328 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:12,120 debts and, you know, at the end of the day, we're all average budgeting overlanders here 1329 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,480 in this part of Michigan. 1330 01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:17,320 And so we don't make crazy money. 1331 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,920 And the money that we do make is going into our rigs to make it easier for us to do these 1332 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:22,280 things. 1333 01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,640 So or just keep them on the road. 1334 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,200 Yeah, just the road is a struggle. 1335 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,920 I mean, especially when you're daily driving them. 1336 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,640 That's one thing. 1337 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:37,320 But so I don't know, like looking at that price right there, adding a way back and then 1338 01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:42,040 and then knowing that you're going to go through multiple extra tanks driving around just to 1339 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:50,200 see these places, you know, add, add, you know, you're five to 10 extra tanks. 1340 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:55,320 I mean, you're looking at easily three thirty or three thousand of thirty five hundred that 1341 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,320 trip driving. 1342 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,320 Yeah. 1343 01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,120 Is that one way? 1344 01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,040 No, that's all together. 1345 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:02,040 Yeah. 1346 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:03,040 Yeah. 1347 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,720 Because I can tell you right now, your truck. 1348 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:05,720 Yes. 1349 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,960 I can tell you right now that when CNN and I did our expeditionary 1200 mile trip at 1350 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:16,960 the U.P., we went through a good 12 to 1500 dollars. 1351 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:23,560 And and I think all things considered, we did well. 1352 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,080 But most of that was gas, man. 1353 01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:31,480 I mean, two, four, six, eight, two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve. 1354 01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:34,240 Yeah. 1355 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:35,880 We had two rigs when we did ours. 1356 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:40,920 And I think with trailside repairs, lower ball joint. 1357 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:41,920 Yeah. 1358 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:47,000 I think that we came out to what, like twenty four or twenty five hundred. 1359 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,000 Yeah. 1360 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,000 Sounds about right. 1361 01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,800 A lot of it sounds a splurging when we probably didn't need to. 1362 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,600 So what's man, what's the point you're doing there? 1363 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,360 You're you're there to have the fun, man. 1364 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:04,320 We went up there and we went and bought some stuff, some clothes for Jasper's from some 1365 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,360 of these small town shops. 1366 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:07,360 We bought some stickers. 1367 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,640 We bought some knickknacks for Jasper. 1368 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:11,640 Things to remember him by. 1369 01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,480 We stopped at waterfalls, got special ice cream. 1370 01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:17,120 That was the first time he's ever tried ice cream. 1371 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:21,960 So I mean, it's not like it's not going towards anything, but it's not cheap either. 1372 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:23,880 Right. 1373 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:30,360 So these these bigger trips are definitely longer in the future for me on that. 1374 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:36,440 That money talk we would love if you guys would boost in and just give us a little note. 1375 01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:39,040 Tell us that we're god awful at this. 1376 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,600 Maybe some money so that we can maybe quit or quit doing it. 1377 01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:43,600 You know, who knows? 1378 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:44,600 Yeah. 1379 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:49,000 Put a note in and and say how bad Gavin's ADHD has gotten. 1380 01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,240 How many times I've went off topic lately. 1381 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:53,760 Just put in a note. 1382 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:54,760 Just let me know. 1383 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:55,760 Don't worry. 1384 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:56,760 I'm getting meds. 1385 01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:57,760 I'll be fixed soon. 1386 01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:02,520 You're like, yeah, just just help help in any way you can. 1387 01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,840 And it doesn't have to be sending money. 1388 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:09,480 It doesn't just viewing helps sharing helps talking about it. 1389 01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:10,920 The whole value for value thing. 1390 01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,280 It's not just money. 1391 01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,680 It's time, treasure and talent. 1392 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,560 You got some talent that you want to give us? 1393 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,040 Shoot, shoot us some artwork for our covers. 1394 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,280 You got some time and you want to come on and tell us how much of idiots we are. 1395 01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:25,280 Fuck. 1396 01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,280 Come on. 1397 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:27,280 Let us know. 1398 01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,720 Send us send us messages. 1399 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,360 Say hey, it'd be really cool if we talked about this. 1400 01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:33,760 It'd be really cool if we talked about that. 1401 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:39,200 I've gotten a couple already talking about an off road Prius we have coming up. 1402 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,520 We have our upcoming episodes. 1403 01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:47,640 We have some talking about North Carolina, some of the relief that are one of the groups 1404 01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,800 we're affiliated with did. 1405 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,080 It's just some some really cool stuff we have coming up. 1406 01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:58,320 We have a really exciting interview that we're working on right now that we're going to be 1407 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:06,080 dropping soon with a very, very well known podcaster and overlander. 1408 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,640 So we really want you guys to keep in tune. 1409 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:09,960 We're trying to keep things fresh. 1410 01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:15,200 We're trying to keep things like I said, all things, all things overlanding from camping 1411 01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:16,200 to rock landing. 1412 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,600 So talking about how broke we are. 1413 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:19,600 Yep. 1414 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,360 Talking about how broke we are. 1415 01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:26,360 We really appreciate you guys really sticking with us and helping us through this. 1416 01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,960 We're still working out the kinks, still getting everything settled. 1417 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,320 We'll be we'll be set pretty soon here, though. 1418 01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:34,960 We got things we got things rolling around. 1419 01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,680 We're getting better every time. 1420 01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,480 Yeah, not. 1421 01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:43,520 There's not really a not really a whole lot left for us to do, but climb really. 1422 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,040 So you know, we appreciate your time. 1423 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,040 Thanks for stopping in. 1424 01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:52,400 Thanks for listening to our little our post trail updates. 1425 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,400 Thanks Mark. 1426 01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:54,400 Thanks Alex. 1427 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:55,400 Yeah, no problem. 1428 01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:56,400 Yeah, exactly. 1429 01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:01,520 Like, you know, all things overland leaves a really, really big opening for us to get 1430 01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:02,520 off topic. 1431 01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:03,520 Yes, we did. 1432 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,680 We did get through all our trails. 1433 01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,400 We did get through all our stuff. 1434 01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,280 And overall, Yuma was fun. 1435 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:16,360 I mean, we can all agree it's not meant to be a blue trail for dusty summers. 1436 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:21,560 But yeah, we could definitely see it being a blue trail for the winters and spring. 1437 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:26,120 Anytime it's soggy out, it was a lot of fun. 1438 01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,120 We'll see you guys next time. 1439 01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:54,880 Later.