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Welcome to Botches Off-Road. Join us as we talk about everything from gear reviews to

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trail stories, tent camping to rock landing, and all things to do with the outdoors. Today

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we're here with Alex and Mark and we're going to talk a little bit about Mark's rig, what

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his plans are, what he's running, and yeah. Well Mark, what you driving? I'm driving a

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2014 Tacoma. But originally I was driving a 2009 Tacoma. That was last year. That was

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a nice little truck at the time. It was black. The only major thing we had done to it was

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rims and tires and then a roof rack and then we hodgepodge a comm system into it. What

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roof rack did you have on that? That was a front runner. Don't remember exactly which

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one. I want to say it was a Slim 2. Had different models for the Tacoma so I don't remember

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which one it was off the top of my head. But it was a nice little rack. I mainly used it

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to throw my spare tire up there at the time. Did you run any kind of suspension on that?

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That one was all stock height. Oh really? Yes, that was a bone stock Tacoma. What size tires

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were you running on that then? I think we declared it was 32. Originally I thought I

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bought 31s but at the time of trying to order them on the website it kept giving me different

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tires. I think we declared it was actually 32s. I'm assuming you didn't have to do any

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body mount chops or anything like that with 32s? We kind of smashed and pinch weld and

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did a little trimming. Okay, so you'd have to do a little bit just for 32s. Yes, and

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it still rubbed. Damn. He just needed to cut his fender off, man. What size wheels were

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those? 17s. Oh okay, so typical. They're the ones that are currently on my truck currently.

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Oh yeah, okay. Those are nice. So what's your difference between the other than the year

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from your black one to this one now? You did suspension on this newer one, right? The newer

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one came with suspension. It was a Bilstein's Upmer. I don't remember exactly which one

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it is. I've been told it's actually Tundra instead of Tacoma shocks though. The shocks

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are 5100s but I'm pretty sure the springs are Tundra springs. That makes sense. Do you

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have an upgraded front bumper on that? Yes, but I want to get a different one. The hooky

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off-road bumpers are the ones on the truck currently. It doesn't come with a winching

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mount plate so I really want to get a different one because of that. I mean it doesn't even

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leave enough room behind it really for a winch. It's pretty tight and flat. How heavy is that?

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Does that kind of offset those Tundra springs a little bit? I don't think it really does.

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No? Are you stiff in the front then? Or is it still riding pretty good? Alex thinks it's

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a little stiff in the front. But you think it's alright? I think it's alright but he's

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also comparing it to his forerunner that didn't really have great shocks a while ago. True.

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And it looks like the body roll on Alex's truck in general just seems like he's got

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a softer setup than that anyway. That's because I don't have a sway bar. Yeah that's fair.

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I didn't know you took those all out. Yeah I don't have a sway bar. Yeah you took out

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that like four months ago. Oh I didn't know that. Mark you're running sway bar right?

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Yes I am. Do you plan on doing anything like a quick disconnect or anything like that?

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Yes I'm intrigued by the one that by I think it's Apex. Yeah Apex designs. Yeah they got

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one I'm intrigued by. They did a lot of Toyotas recently. They just came out with it in the

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last year now. Yeah I've thought about doing something like that on mine at one point but

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probably won't need that for a little bit. Yeah what's really cool about the Apex designs

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is the way that his Tacoma works the sway bar is in the front of the shock so with a

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standard disconnect it would leave the sway bar rubbing against the springs but the Apex

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design it stays connected the whole time it just allows it to free float. Yeah. To my

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understanding I mean I'll put the link to them in the show notes so other people can

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check them out but they're pretty cool the way they work. It literally there's just a

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big switch on your sway bar disconnect that you pull down. I mean it's really cool. Oh

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I'll have to look into that and see if there's anything for an FJ or anything like that.

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So you're running Tundra Springs 5100s and you have an upgraded bumper but you're going

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to switch out. Are you running any kind of rock sliders any kind of skid plates anything

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any armor underneath? I got my stock skid plate currently. I do want to upgrade to better

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skid plates for next year's trip with the MST group for leather wood. Rock sliders I

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need to upgrade as well they are mounted to the body instead of the frame and we've had

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a unbend it back because I think we hit rocks the one time up in Drummond the first time

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and we did it just right where we couldn't open the door so we had to step on it to put

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it back into place. I just had to do that. I just had to do that with my FJ's stock steps

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on there that I was using as sliders. I pivoted on like a tree trunk or tree branch or something

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that was on my right side and it bent my steps up to the door so I just had to stand on it.

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Perks of being like 300 pounds is I could just bend them right back down. Yeah the secret

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to not bending things so you can't open your door is don't have rock sliders and also have

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your truck so rotted out and just put plastic over it so it looks good that way when you

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hit a rock it just bounces back into place. Yeah for sure I'll put that into my notes

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for next time my next vehicle make sure it's rusted out check and then you just have to

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add a self tapper every once in a while to hold the plastic on. Yeah that'll do it. Are

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those rivets? Oh man no no those are sheet metal self tappers from a roof. A sheet box

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for the wind. Yep hey man if it works it works. So okay I know you have something going like

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what are you doing for spares and extra tools what do you carry in? I have a spare tire

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and my spare tire carrier for the rear bumper which that rear bumper has been modified another

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hooky bumper I wouldn't recommend I got it came with the trucks I can't complain too

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much about it but we have done so many modifications to that bumper swing out it's kind of ridiculous.

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Yeah I seem to remember us yeah that was a nice that was a nice open I seem to remember

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us sitting on a hill on a trail and ever I think and Alex opening your rear swing out

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and then somebody not being able to close it. Dude I was so I barely remember that trip

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because I was so sick. That was fun I remember it quite well because you opened it that thing

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swung out like crazy and then we spent the next 20 minutes trying to fix it and then

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we just ended up ratchet strapping it. I think it's still ratchet strapped. It is still ratchet

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strapped. I thought you guys fixed the latch. I bought a latch I gotta weld it the latch

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that came with it is a very integrated latch and the one part that opens the whole thing

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back out of shape so we can't use it at all. Man if only you knew someone who could weld.

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I do. It's almost like we just don't have anyone you know. Yeah almost almost like part

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of the botches crew there's a designated welder. Whose welds are pretty okay. It's all they

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have to do. Who has been back logged on other projects besides helping me with my one latch.

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Yeah called Alex's two vehicles that he's working on. Hey soon it'll be three and a

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trailer. Well hey dude we wish you the best Alex on your third gen. Well okay so. Yes

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yeah. So okay so Mark you got what else you got do you carry any spare parts with you

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because I know we didn't really talk about this but I have spare idler pulleys my old

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ones and a spare old belt but I don't really I don't have anything else really honestly

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right now. I really don't have anything. The only thing I got currently for spares are

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CV axle seals one because one of them is actually leaking which I really should take care of

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sooner than later. Eventually we'll get to it. Yeah I mean I should have CVs or at least

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ACV maybe some tie rods. Speaking of CVs can you guys share CVs. I think I want to say

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yes me and him are all fairly similar I think. What year's yours again. 2014. Oh yeah I don't

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know that. Yeah Alex why don't you look that up and you let us know because maybe one of

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us will get a CV. That's what I'm looking up right now. And we'll just trade off on

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it. One of us will get a CV one of us will get an alternator. Yeah because I want to

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say that almost because I think the last Tacoma we were able to share parts between me and

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Alex originally. Yeah. But I think it was just CV axles I thought at the time but I

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was wrong. Yeah. So did we tackle everything pretty much on the outside of your rig. Is

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there anything else that I forgot on the outside. What happened to the black truck. Oh yeah

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let's talk about the black truck what happened to that. So I think it was last December the

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beginning last December. I actually would originally the truck was in the shop for almost

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a month because I hit a deer body check the deer be more specific. Luckily that was just

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a driver side fender. So it was out for a while because of that. And then got it back

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had to replace all my front suspension did all that and brakes. Decided to splurge a

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little and bought a refract to go on it. Probably didn't need it but I wanted it. And then one

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is say drove it for three weeks went to work. It was cold not really snowing and the ground

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didn't look like it but there was a patch of black ice getting on the highway hit it

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was going sideways driver side to the ditch and my plan was hopefully just to drive in

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the ditch and come right back out or drive out of the ditch after we stopped moving.

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Sadly I managed to pop it off from the driver side and rolled it. Yep. Rest in peace little

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buggy. Yes. I mean all day it was kind of cool the way that the roof rack the roof rack

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didn't really fold too much and it kind of kept the roof flat. Yeah. Should have just

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chopped the roof man. Make it into a convertible. They wouldn't sell it back to them. They wouldn't

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sell it back to me. Bunch of weenies. Right. But that's insurance companies for you dude.

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They are the modern day crooks and pirates. Just rob you for everything you got. Well

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that sucks. At least you got this one out of it and honestly I never saw your black

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one before but when I saw this one I thought this one was pretty damn cool looking from

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the start. So it sounds like you got a pretty cool thing. You know rig just starting out

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you know with 5100 front rear bumper on out of it. That's not bad to start with really.

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Well yeah that was my plan when I bought the new one was I had to get something that was

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partially built. It had to be fully built because I looked at there was a coma over

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Wisconsin that was fully built out overlaying everything. The issue was it was just a matter

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going over there to see if I could get approved for financing for that one. Yeah. So it was

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kind of a gamble to even do that one. Yeah that's true. Now this one's nice. So yeah.

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I mean you're gonna do you have any plans for anything else you're gonna do to it? Are

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you gonna do another rack on top or what? I'm planning on at least putting another roof

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rack on. It won't be the same one as last time. This one's gonna be a low profile one.

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The other one we had it like it stood up like two to four inches and then it had a whole

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basket that was almost as big or even bigger than the actual roof was. Oh shit. Okay. Are

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you are you gonna run anything on the rack? Are you gonna do pelicans or? I'm probably

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I'm thinking of just using the rack when I need it. Okay. My idea was eventually like

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get kayaks and throw up a kayak when I go out kayaking with it. Yeah that would be cool.

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I think for me I do a lot of my spare tools or parts up on my rack and I'm gonna be really

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sorely missing that once I actually switched to rooftop. So there's all right. We plan

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on moving most of that stuff to the trailer though. Yeah. You know the way that we camp

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generally obviously it would change if we're gonna do like the actual over landing thing

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but we usually go to a site and that's base camp. So it'd be nice to have a trailer that

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can get there and then we just drop everything and we got all our tools because we're I mean

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we're talking we want to do full toolboxes with you know every just like if you were

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in the garage every tool you could possibly need would be there. Yeah. Yeah. Mark are

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you gonna do any kind of like cap or anything on it? You're gonna leave it just the bed?

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It came with a cap. Yeah. It had rails that stuck out a little bit the first week literally

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like I think like the weekend or the weekend after buying it we went up to ever the first

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time and I was yanking the cap off because of the cross support that they had up there.

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Yeah. Thank you. Wow. I was gonna say then the I've seen some really low profile racks

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that all that kind of you have the one on the roof of the cab and then it goes back

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on the cap itself and man those things look really nice on Tacoma's. Yeah. I think it

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would have been fine if it was like that but these ones they stuck up like two or three

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inches and they stuck out four inches above a lot away longer over it stuck four inches

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wider past the actual cap profile. Yeah. It's gotta go. It's just you're just grabbing stuff

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by then. Yep. And then so we ended up taking those rails off and ran with the cap for a

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little bit because originally I was thinking of camping out of in the black one originally

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that was a six foot bed one. Yeah. So my plans was for this camp out of the bed of that truck

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originally I was debating about doing with this one and then I declared that one the

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bed this bed's five foot so it's six foot shorter. Yeah. Yeah. And I was crawled up

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in there with the cap on and it's the one that shares the same height as my truck roofline.

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Yeah. I'm like yeah no I don't feel like climbing in out of this truck bed. So I don't know

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how to go. Yeah. I don't know. Well okay. So bringing into that I mean I guess speaking

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of that then so what what are you doing for camping then are you I know that you don't

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have a roof rack obviously but for you know a rooftop tent but I'm assuming you're tent

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camping right. Yes tent camping which I just got today. We are good on tent for the weekend.

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Good. Are you running these anything any systems for sleeping or anything like that. Barley

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Alex has got I get my own eventually but and then I end up just buying a new three three

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three system sleeping bag. The army uses as I say the standard army sleep system cold

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weather warm weather included. Yeah. I'm interested to see how that works out for you. I know

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for me we're tent camping with my family and probably going to need a heater just to warm

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the air. So maybe it'll be cool to see your review on it and then Kailin's review on it

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because she's going to be the one using yours. So I want to see how she does in that. And

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I get to sleep in one of the old school army mummy bags. That'll be that'll do. We should

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just buy some damn bed rolls and lay them out by the fire and sleep out by the fire.

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Stay warm. That's what I'm you just got to rotate like at one of those hot dogs at 711.

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Keep your we'll just take the rock from the fire ring and just put them in the bottoms

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of our sleeping bags. Yeah. Yeah. That's great idea. Or rocks. I mean I know hot rocks have

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been used before but my luck I'd take that thing and it would just cook me alive at night.

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But now that would be we all get a nice dinner or breakfast. Yeah. Getting the leg. Yeah.

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We'd have some gaff and roast. Yeah. There's plenty to go around man. It's like it'd be

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like that cheap baking you get from Meyer where you have like you have like one percent

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meat the rest is fat. That's what you're getting. You'll be able to harvest my blubber like

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a seal. You could make that sell that. I mean hey that could be our lamp oil man. We need

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something to power. Yeah. Oh there you go. Lamp oil protein for the dogs. Yeah. You'll

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be set either way. But hey man that's cool. So OK. So we got your outside. We got your

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plans for it. And what about interior. You doing anything for comms for navigation. I

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haven't actually been inside of your truck so I don't know what you're running for nav.

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So currently my navigation is my phone. I like to get a joy. I think it's joy or joining

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head unit. And that way I can run navigation off of that mostly trail maps off of that

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more than anything. And mesh and mesh testing which is another part of it. Which on that

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note I got to come up with a I got to buy a third brake light system that I saw and

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you can mount antennas and stuff to it. I want to run my mesh test antenna out to that.

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OK. And then currently for comms and probably the finalization of it because I don't I could

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be one more thing I get. But I don't know if I want to get that yet. But right now for

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comms I'm running a midland 275. I hardwire that to my battery that currently sits in

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my center console and a little dead space as I call it because it's clearly the perfect

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size for it. Plung all the wiring out and through my transmission tunnel. And then I

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got a cat five cable connection port up in my one of my cigarette areas. I declare that

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I really don't need a cigarette lighters. So I decided to replace one with cat five

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and then the other one I wanted to replace that other cigarette lighter for a four way

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charger port. But and then I have a external speaker that sits in one of my sunglass holders

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I used to have. And that's come down my A pillar from the roof line to the A pillar

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and then underneath my steering wheel to the transmission. So that's that's running that's

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in the ceiling though right where your sunglass was. OK. Yeah. Yeah I did that same set up

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in the last Tacoma as well. But I had all my comms in the very back for that one for

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the black one. Yeah. Is. Yeah I was just I was going to mention too that I've just found

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out that my like my head unit navigation. I don't know I I almost wish that I still

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had a tablet as well so that I can point it towards me because my head unit is sitting

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where head units that you know and it's not necessarily the easiest thing to see and I

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almost wish that I had another tablet and like what are the X mounts or something like

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that so that I could run that and see it a little bit better because I just it's not

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it's not super hard but it's almost like a preference. It almost would be easier to see

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kind of like how I have my A7 mounted in my truck. Yeah. Yeah. It would be nice to have

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all three but I really shouldn't be too picky about it. I don't need to stare at all of

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them but I end up just driving off the trail at that point. But yeah. I don't think I could

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go with another like touchscreen radio. I actually would prefer to have a stock radio

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if I could quit having them break on me. But I I like having the external tablet because

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then even if you know because I don't carry my phone when I'm camping generally. So I

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take pictures with an actual camera. So it's nice to have the tablet to pull pictures off

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and review them when we're sitting at the campfire. Tablet's cool too because then you

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can actually sit out by the campfire with the tablet plan out routes and stuff with

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it too or look at potential routes potential trails for the next day. Scout out campsites.

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So I've definitely been seeing the the pros of having a small tablet and maybe I will

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be getting one soon. But the thing that sucks though is in the small tablet market you've

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got like the Galaxy A7 Lite or the iPad Mini and that's like there's really you know back

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in the day we had the Nexus 7. We had we had a lot of options in my eight inch tablet market

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and just today they're all phased out for 10.1 or 12 inch tablets. Yeah I think that's

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what my wife is. There's like a 12 and I don't like how massive it is but I will say that

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if I add like a hand or one of those one of those like hand bands or whatever on the back

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so that I could hold it a little bit better. I think I could do with it. It's so much smoother

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than some of those cheaper tablets that you can get the operating system and everything.

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So I don't know I might I might switch to that maybe I'll just steal hers when we're

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out over landing because that would probably honestly it would make the most sense but

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I I really like the A7 because it's it's fluid enough it works well enough. It just sucks

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that it's really your only eight inch option and in a truck like the third gen forerunner

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that's you know very small it's kind of nice having not having your entire dash being taken

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up by a tablet. Yeah and it's important for me I don't know that I have the patience to

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deal with something that lags even a little bit like even a millisecond. Sometimes for

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me my patience on on technology doing that makes me want to skip it across the lake like

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a skipping stone but other than that I mean so I don't know I might stay with one of the

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newer tablets and maybe I'll just keep my the system I have for now. I know that's going

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to be all next year activities but well cool so we got we got your your outer you got your

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inner. We got some of the plans that you have on there. Other other than that man I guess

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some of the bigger questions are is what you got you started in the first place like what

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got you into off-roading. Did you start out camping when you were younger like I think

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most of us did or did it kind of come in from from what you know YouTube or friends. I didn't

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do a lot of camping when I was little but YouTube did impact me a little bit. There

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was I think they called it I don't remember what they originally called the channel but

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it was a venture channel by Meat Wagon and Guns. They did Minecraft videos originally

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but then they decided to do their own outdoor adventures and Meat Wagon as he called him

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in Germany his actual name was building his Jeep Wrangler. I don't remember it was a Rubicon

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or not it was a four-door but he built it out for going out camping. He had an overland

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tent and everything and he was working on other trucks got me interested at the time

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and because of that I every time I bought my previous trucks during the Dakota my Ram

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that used to have and the Tacoma and any other vehicle I was looking at I literally made

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a list of what all mods I can do through the truck for over landing or any version off-roading

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to begin with so that way I had a plan out of what I could or could not do to any vehicle

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I wanted to look at. So it was kind of fun. I can't find the name of that channel. It's

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probably gone now. I'm trying to remember the actual adventure channel but I know it

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was like Meat Wagon 22 I think was his Minecraft channel originally. Yeah I can find that one.

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I just can't find the adventure channel. Yeah I'm trying to remember what it was called.

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Honestly that's probably one of the better origin stories that I've seen with overlanding

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to be honest I mean YouTube is such a big part of it too though is like I mean when

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I started I was looking at what kind of car camping that I could do inside of the FJ and

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then found over landing so and that's on and we found that on YouTube so that was kind

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of how I got started too and YouTube has got so big now that it has influenced us I mean

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crazy it's kind of daunting. Man when I started your options for off-roading YouTube were

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like Roadkill did an episode where they had a Jeep that was slammed and I think they drove

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it in the Arizona desert but like that was it man. YouTube was pretty young back then

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too so it really this whole off-road YouTube market didn't quite exist back then. Yeah

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you started like a long time ago though. It's just crazy because you're like my age so it

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seems like you started like years ago and you're older but you're not. I mean it helps

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that my dad wheeled a little bit so you know it kind of been doing it my whole life you

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know. Yeah I mean I don't count like my stepdad did it and his Wrangler but I think at that

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time I was more interested at being on the ground and like going out in the woods and

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hiking and all that. The last thing that I wanted to do was sit in the back of that Jeep

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at that time because that was not fun for me. I learned how to drive manual on that

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Jeep and I was probably probably nine. Yeah so I mean I've been driving it and playing

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with it since I was nine you know. It kind of really sculpted me to love Jeeps and then

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I bought a Toyota. Never going back. Yeah I know but last year the it's really got me

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going when we went camping was it Memorial Day? I think it was is that when you got going

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or when we went and did tin cup with the Trailhawk and the 4Runner? Oh that did too but mostly

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the other one because we decided to have my rig yet and we went camping and we were took

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the Trailhawk and then that one really set me into motion to actually do get a dedicated

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vehicle for off-roading. I think that was Memorial Day. Yeah. Yeah because you're sitting

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around the fire looking for trucks. Yeah. What was what'd you do then? What were you

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I don't know I wasn't there. I did I had a I had my Ram 1500 but that was a big old truck

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and was pretty rotted out. So we weren't taking that one off-roading. My brother and Alex

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got their vehicles at the time. I think we did Little Man a Steeloop that time. Yeah.

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Is that what that was? I was trying to figure out what Labor Day was it with the botches

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or MST? It was botches. That was before I really did it with MST. Yeah. Well that's

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pretty cool. I think the first time I did anything with botches was whatever. Yeah.

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No. Well yeah. No. I mean Skitter Hill. Yeah Skitter Hill was before ever. Yeah. Yeah.

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I can't count the roads that we took the one day when you're. I would say there was that

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one day I showed you roads that used to be trails. Yeah. Roads at that point that doesn't

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it doesn't really count. Such a shame what Michigan's doing to our trails man. Always

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always. They're not even trails anymore. They're just fucking forest roads. If that. Yeah.

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You can take your Prius to Marblehead now. So. Actually I know a person with some off-road

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tires that actually has the skill that could probably do that with. I mean not that it's

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going to take much skill but. I know you don't even need skill. It's flat all the way to

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Marblehead. And then. JD JD brought that off-road Prius and that would be pretty cool. Just

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to watch it go up it take the video and be like good job DNR. This is what we get. Not

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that I'm hating on that Prius. That Prius is fucking sweet. I like the red one that

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they had there. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have to do a whole episode on Marblehead. Both the

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rise and the fall would be cool if we could find like old. Yeah. To Ben there. You know

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back in like the 90s or the early 2000s and then all the way to when they bulldozed it

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this year. That would be fun. But I mean I don't think fun is the term I would use but

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interesting. For me it would be fun. It'd be fun to talk to all the old heads about

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what it used to be like. And because I'm sure it was much different. I remember doing it

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as a kid and I remember everybody going to the ledge. So I know that that's changed and

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maybe that wasn't supposed to even do it back then. But when I earlier earlier 2000s I remember

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all of us just sitting there getting up there getting all the way to the top and then run

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around at the ledge being stupid kids. So I that was a fond memory for me and I was looking

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forward to always going back to that. So didn't really happen. We never we never went to Drummond

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when I was a kid. Back then we were my mom and dad were more obsessed with horses. So

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we never did special trips for Wheeling. It was always horses. Horses are fun man. Those

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are like the original overlanders. I'm trying to get I'm trying to get Derek to not not

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Derek MST Derek but Jeep Derek Derek something always something Derek always something. I'm

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trying to get him to help me set up a MST horse overlanding trip. I mean I when I used

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to trail ride when I was younger like early high school my my grandmother had a horse

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like a boarding facility and she had competition horses that were just out of competition.

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They're just getting too old. I rode rode the horse named Touchy and dude I would overland

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the shit out of that horse. I probably still could like it was like she was like 20 something

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at that time and I'm sure she would still be ready for it. She was like I mean amazing

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on the trail. Nothing spooked her. And and you know what I've I've listened to a podcast

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the other day about these people that were going all around the going the world around

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the world and they were pretty much winching. They would do like a mile a day just winching

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up trail and it was oh my gosh. That was that. They're driving a Jeep CJ right. Yeah. Yeah

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that was. Yeah. I can't remember that girl's name. She did an interview with Newfound Overland.

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I was part of it today. I was I listened to it last week actually. I was listening to

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Benji Benji's podcast with them and it was it was Lauren I think. And I can't remember

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the other. I can't remember the girl but I know Lauren passed away. Yeah. And he had

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done he had done many expeditions or tried to do expeditions before that. He went through

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a couple of different vehicles trying. I know he took a Ford. He took a what two or three

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CJ's or something like that because one of them he just had to leave. Oh my gosh dude.

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The story. Her name's Patty Patty. Yes. Yeah. Look that up if you guys ever get a chance

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off of Newfound Overland because that was that was a crazy story. And could you imagine

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we keep talking over each other. She had me drawn right in there. Like I there's not a

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lot of times when I can just sit and listen to a story and not want to get interrupted

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at all. But she had me just hooked for the whole hour long interview. Yeah. Well she

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at one point when their their Jeep broke down I think was the axle or something and they

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had to take a to make an a raft and float down the river and it to the nearest town

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and then take a bus and then take a you know and it's just things were just done so differently

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back then. They had to hire a crew to help make trail like it was it's such a cool story

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to hear because it's so different from how we do things nowadays. Navigation and calling

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for help. I mean calling for help for them was them walking miles to find anyone who

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could you know take them to a town or help them. They were taking wagons out. I mean

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it's or donkeys sorry. And so it's it's just it was very cool and it kind of opened your

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eyes to how long people have been trying to do this and what you can do. I think it's

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crazy looking you know they had an entire support staff. I think she said like 20 to

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30 guys just cutting a trail for them to get this one itty bitty little CJ five through

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the what's the burying gap or whatever. Yeah. Daring gap or something like that. Day or

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Ryan or something like that. Yeah it might be daring grab you might be right. Yeah the

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daring gap. Yep. Right. It's right. It's between North and South America. Yeah. She mentioned

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like pretty much winching all day. They're like there was points where they didn't even

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they weren't even driving. They were just winching all day getting a mile a day and

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that's crazy. The daring gap. It's only like come on. Where's the mileage. It's not all

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that long but I think it's 60 miles but I think she said it took them three years to

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get through the daring gap. Yeah because well there was no trails there was no roads so

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they had to make their own for the most part. And could you I mean you making your own trails

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you're using a winch from the 80s man that winch by the way I I don't I can't remember

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what she said what brand that was but it was I'm pretty sure it was powered by like I'm

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pretty sure it was powered by the Jeep. It wasn't electric. Yeah it couldn't have been

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dude. I'm pretty sure it was too because that was an older Jeep anyway right from the 70s

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or it was a 69 or something. Yeah I think it was like a 69 and then he and then I think

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it was Lauren he chopped the roof and added like four inches to the top because he was

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six or just nuts dude just crazy not to get super off subject on your on your truck mark

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and since we're talking about inspiration here what really gets people into it hearing

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that story for me that was that was crazy. So Patty's story like I said it's one of

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the few stories that just drew me and I was just hooked manly it was so fun to listen

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to. Yeah but I guess moving forward now since we've talked about a pretty good portion of

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your your Tacoma anything that you are planning on doing this the rest of this year upgrades

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wise to it and then any future trips you're doing this year. I'm thinking of actually

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getting my air compressor all hooked up. I'm planning on plumbing or not plumbing but getting

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that all set up behind my back seat. I got an air tank for it and then just hook that

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all up and then I like to get a Mali panel that sits back there as well. Yes, I'm Alex.

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Oh no, you're good. You're good. I just saw something so I was making sure you didn't

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need anything but I want to get Mali panels put up in the back seat as well. I'm trying

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to decide if I if a pack out because I discovered there's a pack out system that hooks up to

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the Mali panel. I'm just not sure why I want to put there will clear my air compressor

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and stuff if I have that all set up. So I got that. Are you going to do an external

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tank? It'll be inside the cab but yes. Yep. I thought you were going to be good for that.

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I thought we said to either way. I just sit back there. This lag is really killing us.

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Okay. As was going on. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Well, okay. Future trips. Anything you're

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doing the rest of the year. I know tomorrow we have our big big botches thing that we're

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doing tomorrow. Me and Alex are heading out. You guys are heading out later, right? Yep.

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Yep. I don't I can't think of anything major for us this year. I know we're getting winter

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times. It's kind of hard to start doing stuff stuff like new trails and stuff. How being

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do I really want to be out in the cold today or no? Yeah, I feel that I I probably won't

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do any winter camping this year. We're just not set up for it the way that I would be

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comfortable doing it with my son. But I know next year if everything goes to plan we will

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be completely set up for winter camping. I just I don't have a cold sleeping system other

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than my sleeping bags and tent. And my plan is rooftop tent with with a diesel heater

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because from what I'm hearing diesel heaters have a drier heat so that tents to not give

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as much condensation in your tents. So yeah, that's that's the plan for me. Do you plan

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on doing anything for winter camping? Or do you think you're just going to take winners

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off to pay off the debt from the summer? Because right now I'm taking this winter off to pretty

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much pay off the debt that I just accrued this summer. As of right now I haven't decided

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about winter camping this year definitely not. I'm trying to decide about future endeavors.

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It's hard, but hard to get like for me. Try to get the motivation to want to do winter

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camping sometimes. It's just it's cold man and we're starting to get older. And if you

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don't have something dedicated or set up like that and your winter like your you don't have

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a hot tent and a wood stove and all that, then man it can be rough. And you start to

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wonder like is this worth it? Is this even fun anymore? Or am I just coming out here

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because I know I should? You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, I work I'm gonna be working

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all winter out in this stuff anyway. So it's kind of hard to. Yeah. Oh, let me go out this

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weekend go camping in the middle of winter. But even though I've been out in it all week.

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So yeah, the Army made me do enough winter camping that there's no way I just decide

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to go out and do that. Yeah, with your achy bones, I'd probably wouldn't either. But you

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know, plus I work on a farm, so I am literally in the cold all day every day all winter long.

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Yeah. Well, I think that I think that pretty much covers everything. We got our futures,

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we got our past, we got our rigs, what we're doing to it, we got really off topic. So that

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was a no, that was good. And it's good to talk about the inspirations and what got us

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into it in the first place. So yeah, we talked about off roading. So was it really off topic?

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No, no, it was all things off roading, man. So I appreciate it, Mark. Thanks for coming

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in. Thanks, Alex, for joining in telling us about your rig. And we'll see you guys next

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time. Yeah. And, you know, right here in the future, I'd like to be able to read off boost

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that people send in. I know we don't talk or harp the value for value thing too often.

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But we really like it if you guys, you know, looked up value for value and how it all works.

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It's really a cool system, you know, it, you can stream set. So the whole time you're listening

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you're sending micro payments. You can send in a larger boost with messages that, you

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know, maybe tell us we're doing a good job or maybe tell us we're doing a god awful job.

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I don't know. But just, you know, it'd be really cool to have some community involvement.

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I know we're just getting started and we can't expect that yet, but we really would like

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if you guys could, you know, learn about the value for value system and at least know what

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it is. Um, but yeah, on that note, uh, have a good day. Man, that was a terrible ending.

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I ended it and then you, and then you started on that note, have a good day.