1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,220 Welcome to botches off-road podcast your source to overlanding in your stock element to wheeling something wild 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:11,900 I'm here with Gavin. He's one of our hosts and he is going to tell us about his rig 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,960 Well, how you doing Alex? 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Doing pretty good. Yeah, so 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,720 I'm uh, I'm running an o7 fj cruiser 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,800 base model and automatic 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,360 I bought it about two years ago and 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:38,200 Yeah, I bought it about what I think it was about a hundred and ten thousand miles and I'm about just just about hit a hundred and forty five 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,440 Thousand so still a brand new a lot of mile a 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,560 Lot of miles in one year. No, no, no, no, it was did I say one year? I meant like two 11 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,800 Oh, maybe I'm bad at math. Yeah, no, it was a it was two years, but 12 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,280 I 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Thought I did okay, but then you know, I like driving it so much that I don't mind putting the miles on it 14 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,340 Yeah, I mean, that's why you buy them right to drive them not to let them sit 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,600 Yeah, should I probably put 400 miles on it every trip that I do 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,360 Every other you know every weekend so 17 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,080 400 miles with five one being off-road 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,040 Yeah, yeah, probably 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:25,840 Probably yeah, most of its highway and then probably I don't know 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,960 It's been a good six to eight hours off-roading each day 21 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:33,680 Depending on what we're doing, but so yeah, I guess 22 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,640 That's actually kind of a cool question for me, but I 23 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,520 Probably say 24 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,040 20 ish 20 or more. I don't know. It'd be an interesting thing for me to try out 25 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:51,920 Because when you think about it when you're going as slow as you are on some of these trails 26 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,960 It feels like it's a lot longer, but in reality 27 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,360 Not so much 28 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,840 What do you what are your plans with off-roading? What why'd you get into off-roading? How's that? 29 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:07,720 That's a better way to ask that question. Well, I've been like I've been camping like my whole life 30 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,320 Started as a young kid my dad would take me out 31 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,360 and 32 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,200 I want to camp and I want to adventure and I 33 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,760 Don't know. I was looking at car camping once I got the FJ. I wanted to sleep in the back and 34 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:32,960 Looking that up. I kind of came through and found like overlanding and stuff and kind of fell in love with the idea of what that is, you know, I 35 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,320 Like the idea of traveling 36 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:43,280 Stopping a night at a beautiful area that you've spent hours off-road, you know that not a lot of people can get to 37 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:51,840 You know stay in the night and then going to your next spot and just looking for the next adventure and the next 38 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,280 most beautiful scenery so I think that 39 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:02,240 You know and the love of the wilderness and being out and wanting to discover more is kind of what brought me into it 40 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,240 But you know, I've kind of met a lot of people joined a lot of groups 41 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,960 that have kind of opened my eyes to the realities of 42 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,360 Overlanding and off-roading and stuff and 43 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,320 kind of helped me 44 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:23,040 Kind of helped me realize what I need and don't need kind of things like that. So it's a lot of that 45 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:29,160 A lot of that's personal too, you know, it's something that might work for like you won't work for me 46 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,440 So you might have a different gear than I do and yeah, yeah, like well for my gear 47 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:40,920 I just a little background on me. I have a wife and a 10 month old son 48 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:47,520 so my gear does kind of pertain to keeping the family comfortable, so I 49 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:54,200 I'd like to I'd like to have them comfortable while we're out there the way they want to keep doing it and 50 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,760 So yeah, my my gear is a little bit different more. I want to stay comfort 51 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:07,880 You know pointed towards comfort without going too far without getting a trailer and a camper and all that so 52 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,800 That's a that's a tough and fun 53 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,360 Challenge with an FJ cruiser because they don't really have a whole ton of space in them 54 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,340 What's the it's kind of squirrel thought but what's the towing capacity in your FJ? 55 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:24,040 hmm 56 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,040 I 57 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,680 I 58 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,680 I 59 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,320 Don't 60 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,200 Something like five six. Yeah, 5000 pounds. I mean 61 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,080 I would just when you said camper. I'm like, could you even pull a camper? But yeah, you could yeah 62 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:50,440 Yeah, and you'd be surprised in what you actually see some of these fj's pole whether they're supposed to or not 63 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:52,840 I've seen a pulse a pretty large 64 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:54,840 campers 65 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,600 Actually now that you mentioned that I was gonna tell you this yesterday. I had to go out to 66 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,480 Hudson at Cooper'sville and 67 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:10,200 In front of me there was this big trailer full of hay and when they turned I saw that it was a berry colored fj cruiser 68 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,000 Full in that big trailer full of hay. It's nice. Yeah 69 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,000 I mean, they're a tough engine. I don't know. You know, I know the transmissions are pretty decent, but 70 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,720 I don't know. I've never wanted to tow like anything crazy and 71 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:31,560 The trailer is is good on paper. But the type of off-roading that I want to do to get to these spots 72 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,040 trailers 73 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,440 Just aren't ideal and if I don't have to go to one. I don't want to 74 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,800 So that's definitely part of it. So 75 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:46,680 Um optimizing space in the fj has been pretty important 76 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,680 Yeah 77 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,920 I think the trailers are good if you're going to be setting up a base camp 78 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,840 But if you're wanting to go to a new spot every single night 79 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,200 In michigan a trailer is not really that convenient because we've got some tight trails 80 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,240 I think they're easy trails, but they're tight kind of hard to maneuver with a trailer 81 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,000 Yeah 82 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,120 Yeah, well and for me, um 83 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,200 You know we a lot of it's like expedition. I don't really know like 84 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:23,080 destination base just as much as it is the drive and I think with the typical overlanding 85 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:32,600 Mindset I think by the original with air quotations around this definition of overlanding or it's more about 86 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:38,840 The drive than it is the destination and I'm really mixed in between the two because I like to do both 87 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:40,840 Um 88 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,000 So yeah, I'm trying to configure my truck to where I can 89 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,880 enjoy both do both 90 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:48,920 without 91 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,600 getting a trailer 92 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,600 So I'm I'm assuming 93 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,960 Right now that a rooftop tent is probably going to be my best bet 94 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,640 But just from talking with everybody else on 95 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,200 pros and cons about that versus a trailer with a rooftop tent or 96 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Just a teardrop camper in general 97 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,880 I think I'd agree with that the way that you wheel I think that a rooftop tent is your best bet. Yeah 98 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:18,760 Yeah, I like to I like to stop one night. Um, for instance, I just we did a 1200 mile 99 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,640 Uh 100 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,520 trip around the up in Michigan, um, and 101 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,400 It was very pointed towards different 102 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,200 Destinations that I thought would be cool 103 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,960 Um, not necessarily like touristy destinations 104 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:41,080 But just places that I flagged on the map that are like cool. We can do this during this day. We can go 105 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,120 You know an eight hour 106 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,120 eight hour drive and hit this this and this 107 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,520 Find this campsite scout this one 108 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,120 and then 109 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,320 You know as do it and plan it out for four or five days 110 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,360 So that's that's kind of how I like to and then you know, we get to the coolest spot 111 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,000 It's nice and beautiful. It's quiet 112 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:06,200 But we enjoyed the whole time there like I'm not I'm taking the scenic option. I'm not taking highways 113 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,160 So that adds to the miles and time but 114 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,520 So with your uh, you want to camp? 115 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,520 Not necessarily camp in the fj, but camp out of the fj. What have you done to facilitate that? 116 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:25,000 Um, well right now, I'm not going to be camping on the roof for probably next summer. That's 117 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Roofed up tents future plans. So 118 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:32,200 Right now we did some backpacking and stuff when we had the kid 119 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,160 and that's pretty much what I 120 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,200 wanted to kind of mix in 121 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,280 with the uh with overlanding so 122 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,000 Oh, we have a lot of backpacking stuff. So 123 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,720 um, like my tent is a 124 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,800 A nemo dagger. It's a two person. I tried to do something small and light 125 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,080 Um, that way didn't take up a lot of space in the fj 126 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,560 Um, we have thermoresco thermoresco compression pillows 127 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,320 Um, big rad or big agnes repede the insulated sleeping pads 128 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,440 Um, big agnes echo part 20s for the sleeping bags 129 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,400 Um, which is a synthetic bag 130 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,480 um, and then we uh for like when then we have like a cheap amazon toilet that we have so 131 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:24,200 Well, for for camping that's you know the the real basics around that. Um, and then kind of 132 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,040 For cooking which is a big part of that 133 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,840 That uh, that rear space 134 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,960 That I've been trying to optimize uh all of it 135 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,880 Yeah, I mean if you look at the back, uh, you open the door. It's basically 136 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,600 based cooking. I mean 137 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:43,800 I 138 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:51,160 See my wife can and will eat frozen dehydrated meals and we honestly we enjoy them for the most part, but 139 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:57,400 There's something to be said about a really nice hot cooked meal on a cool night or a night of just 140 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,080 Bumming and driving and being in the truck all day 141 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,800 Something about a nice, you know 142 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,840 Nice steak and some fried veggies and stuff that is just 143 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,520 It just completes it right so adds to that 144 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:17,640 And then I'm over here eating the hot dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Hey some people can I know Derek part of our mst group 145 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,560 He just eats hot dogs constantly. I think they there's a joke that 146 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:28,200 Is going around right now on instagram that people just saw him cook for the first time on a grill that he brought himself 147 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:35,160 But I only seen him touch it a couple times. I'm pretty sure his wife was the one cooking behind closed doors, but 148 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,240 he uh 149 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,520 But yeah, no, I mean I my my cooking in the back 150 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,320 um 151 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,600 You know I 152 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,720 With as much as I wanted to cook I decided I wanted to get a propane 153 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,600 um stove 154 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,720 um, and I went propane stove instead of like uh, like a black stone griddle 155 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,360 Just because I planned on making things 156 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,640 like other than 157 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,440 um, like things that you could just fry on the griddle so 158 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:11,240 Um boiling water boiling making rice stuff all that so I'm sure you could probably get over with it 159 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,800 on the griddle and somehow do that but 160 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,400 I wanted to be able to have that full capability and 161 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,920 The the Coleman than I have it's I think it's a Coleman 222 162 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,520 And I think that it has equal btu burning on both sides of the stove so I can do two different 163 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,880 types of cooking at the same time so if I want to 164 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,760 Uh, you know cook steak on one side 165 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,280 And make rice on the other. I'm not taking heat away 166 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,560 So that was something that was pretty pretty important for me 167 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,800 um 168 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,800 And then keeping like my food 169 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,200 Um fresh and being able to have fresh food 170 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,920 Um not soggy food. I wanted to get a fridge 171 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:52,760 so 172 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,080 I ended up looking all over amazon and youtube and 173 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,120 I ended up settling on the eco flow 174 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,120 Glacier 175 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,160 Which was like half off at the time it comes with a battery 176 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,320 It's 38 quarts and it's got a ice maker not that I use it 177 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,120 But it was really nice bang for the buck. It's it's been a pretty nice fridge 178 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:17,240 And I charge it while I'm driving and overlanding 179 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,720 And then over the night that I'm staying at camp it runs off of its own battery 180 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,680 So I'm really you know, unless I'm staying there for multiple days 181 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:30,920 I really don't have to worry about my fridge losing power or having no battery 182 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,720 And then the nice thing is I could always pull that battery out and use it as a battery charger 183 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:37,880 it's uh 184 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,280 So I can use it for like to charge phones or charge a plant, you know charge whatever I need to 185 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,280 So I really like that and for I think it was about $500 186 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,840 originally $1,200 187 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,840 It was a really good deal and I figured there's something too good to pass up 188 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,320 I mean that's more than half off. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it was a great deal 189 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:04,680 Um, so yeah, so I really like the fridge and you know, you could turn into a freezer if you want and but I primarily use it for fridge 190 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,800 Keeping fresh veggies and fruit. I brought raspberries and mushrooms and stuff this last week 191 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:16,680 And uh, they stayed fresh and they looked really good still after two or three days. So it was kind of nice 192 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,360 Um, but yeah other than other than the fridge 193 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,840 I think I have I have a jet boil minimo 194 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,680 That I use for making coffee or just boiling water real quick like if I'm gonna make 195 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,240 instant mashed potatoes or an instant dehydrated meal 196 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:39,400 I'll use that while I'm cooking. So it's like I have three stoves right then 197 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:46,360 And that's really nice. It's really good for making coffee though. I can boil water in like 90 seconds. So I can't wait 198 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,800 I can't wait to use that on our trip coming up to make my coffee with my new french press 199 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,600 Yeah, dude. It's uh, it's pretty nice. I use uh, I use a pour over system actually 200 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,240 um, stanley came out with a 201 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,920 Uh, a pour over system that I wanted to give a try and it's not bad 202 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,120 You know with pour overs you use you have to have like a medium grit style coffee. So 203 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:15,800 You know, which uh, which stanley pour over do you get? Do you get the single serving or do you have the camp sized one? 204 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,680 I have the camp sized one. So you just keep pouring 205 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,840 You just keep pouring over it for however much water you want. But what I do 206 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Is I make camp like a cowboy coffee. So I'll put the coffee grounds in the minimo 207 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,520 boil it in the water let it steep and then I will 208 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:38,680 And then I pour it over the pour over to filter all the grounds out. So it's jet fuel 209 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,800 I'm not gonna say I'm a coffee snob, but that hurts my soul. Yeah, does it? 210 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:50,840 Like I've done I do cowboy coffee occasionally, but that's like my least favorite way to make coffee 211 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:56,360 Well, I've I've only done it a couple times so far and it seems like it brings out the flavor a little bit more 212 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:03,880 Because I I notice that even with a thick it's it's kind of a with this certain pour over system 213 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,720 It's a fine line with your uh, with your coffee grains 214 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,720 of like 215 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 Like how it filters through 216 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,520 So like if you can have them you can have a little thicker and it goes too fast and you don't get 217 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,720 Uh, the right steep with the coffee 218 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Or you go too slow and it just sits there with the fine grain or it goes through the filter 219 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:34,040 So I'm still monkeying with it. Um, I did that for a couple times just to see if it worked 220 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:41,080 But I was kind of worried and I don't know that I like burning the coffee in the minimo. So 221 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,920 I think that's the downside is that it was burning it. I don't want to burn the coffee itself. So 222 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,640 Have you you ever tried a percolator? 223 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,320 Um, my dad used one like the old enamel 224 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,360 percolators and stuff. Um, I 225 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,760 never really thought of it 226 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,240 and my my only thing was uh 227 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,240 Again space so percolators are typically a bigger system 228 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,600 So I tried to stay away from that 229 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,360 I might end up going to a french press though and 230 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,480 Jetboil does make a french press 231 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,880 So did you 232 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:22,840 Did you ever look up that one I told you about the I did not I didn't even I didn't even start with it yet 233 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,480 brewtrek overlander. Yeah 234 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,840 is it 235 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:32,040 Because I I was just gonna you know when I get a dual battery setup and an inverter honestly 236 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,560 You start weighing it out like why not just get a small single serve coffee maker or something then 237 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,720 You know, I mean you can make better coffee than a single serve coffee. You can yeah, you can 238 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:50,040 So but back to the brewtrek what's cool about it is it's a like a normal coffee mug size 239 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,600 So it's making single serve coffee 240 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:53,720 um 241 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:58,600 But it's a french press and when you press it down it seals the grounds away from the water 242 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,960 So you can remove the bottom and clean it without having to drain the thing and then you drink it right out of the 243 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:11,560 Brewtrek as if it was a mug. Yeah, that's that's pretty cool, man. I have to look that up for my wife. She is the primary 244 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,400 Coffee drinker. I just make it for her most of the time 245 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,640 And the colder it gets the more that she wants her and you know, I might right 246 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:26,280 But for me, I I primarily drink energy drinks. So I just wake up in the morning crack went out of the cooler 247 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:27,960 um 248 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,800 or the refrigerator 249 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:35,240 So yeah, I mean cooking wise that's been really good for me and I'm gonna have to look at that for coffee 250 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:38,360 Because it's I mean the jet-move mini mose 251 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,520 I might I might stick with that because it's such a good 252 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Uh universal system and just to get some use out of it 253 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:47,960 Keep it around 254 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,960 right, I mean 255 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,800 It's it's quite nice. So it's just nice having around though too 256 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,560 Um, I we do like dehydrid meals like peak 257 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,360 Uh dehydrid meals. I just turned on another guy at camp actually 258 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,440 He was really excited. We went I we went on this camp trip because he was like dude 259 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,400 Dude, I I got the the biscuits and gravy that you that you fed me the one day 260 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:17,000 He's like I got it is so good and then he then he uh shared it with his wife and she liked it too 261 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 So they shared one and 262 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,920 that they're yeah, if I'm 263 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,280 If I'm eating dehydrated stuff, it's MREs every time because they're cheap 264 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:32,120 They're not that much cheaper as far as like by by singles but like so but like bulk. Yes, absolutely 265 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,360 I uh, I get boxes of them from, you know, my old unit. So 266 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,080 Well, shoot hook me up brother 267 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,120 I gotta head to my storage. Yeah 268 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:48,600 Yeah, but yeah, so um other than that that's yeah, I just use some cheap plates and stuff. Um 269 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,760 I try to recycle as much as I can so I'm trying to use 270 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,720 Uh, I have some cheap 271 00:18:56,360 --> 00:19:00,760 plastic plates from uh walmart that I clean and use a lot and then if I'm serving others I 272 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,400 paper plates like 273 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,320 Um, so like the cutlery and the plates and stuff are nothing special 274 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,240 So try to just put emphasis on the cooking and then I have like an old 275 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,680 Teflon or not Teflon, but just so like uh 276 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,800 A cooking pan that I had just laying around 277 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,440 You're not even running cast iron 278 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,320 No, I have cast iron 279 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,120 Um, but again the problem with cast iron 280 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,840 Is that when you want to boil water? 281 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:32,600 Um or cook something like making a sauce 282 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,400 It starts to pull up the 283 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,400 The seasoning 284 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,720 That I mean we only use cast iron. Uh, we don't have anything else even at home 285 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:49,240 And they say that but really man, you're fine. Um, I I have a cheap, uh lodge and 286 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,200 My issue is that when I try to like let's say make spaghetti or 287 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,200 Or anything that like I turn into a sauce with 288 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:04,200 It maybe I just have the heat on too hot and that's probably because I'm trying to rush and do 289 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:09,000 15 things at once, but it actually pulls the coating off or at a 290 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,160 It leaves really dry and I don't have that oil coating on anymore. So 291 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,720 I have what do you what do you what do you use to season it? I oil mine after every cook 292 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:21,640 Yeah, I I typically would too the um 293 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,600 I use a little bit of olive oil sometimes and then the rest is like high 294 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,680 High flash, uh, like like what is it grape seed oil sunflower sunflower oil? 295 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:33,880 so 296 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:39,800 in uh, I I've experimented with a lot of different seasoning types and I found that things like, um, 297 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,560 Like flax seed great boy or the grape. Um 298 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:50,360 Even even a little bit of olive they tend to break down more when you're doing sauces and stuff 299 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,520 But if you use canola oil 300 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,440 If you get a decent enough seasoning with canola oil it lasts forever 301 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,360 Yeah 302 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:05,080 But I may apply after every cook. So yeah, I I tried to as well like I I don't skip it out. But after I wash it 303 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,960 um, I just noticed that the 304 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,880 You can tell that it's not coated how it was or seasoned how it was 305 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,480 But so so for quickness and ease of use 306 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,880 Um while I'm camping I don't tend to use it and I'm not using it over fire 307 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,320 Um, that would be a little different like if it was over the fire. I'd probably use cast iron a little bit more 308 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,320 Um, I used to have a cast iron pan that I brought all the time 309 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:31,320 But for weight 310 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:37,320 I just kind of took it out just extra to bring in and out and then here I have a pan that's dedicated 311 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,480 Because I mean in the house I cook with cast iron every time 312 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:50,920 Um, but when I'm out camping I just have a pan that I threw in there that's dedicated for camp cooking. So well, uh 313 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,920 now into the fun stuff 314 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,360 What have you uh performance wise? What have you done to the truck? 315 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,240 um engine wise nothing, um recovery 316 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:04,680 I guess that's not really performance, but um 317 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,880 suspension wise 318 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,960 I have bilstein 319 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:15,880 In the front and rears I bilstein 61 20s in the front and then the bilstein 320 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,360 51 60s with an external reservoir on the rears 321 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:25,480 And then in the back because of all the extra weight I have old man emu 322 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:32,760 Um, I think they're like 200 or 250 pound constant load springs to help take some of that stress off of the back 323 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,720 Um, I might have to actually add 324 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:38,620 Eventually I'm gonna have to go up a little bit on those springs 325 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,280 but yeah for right now that's kind of all I have for 326 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,800 Performance I think yeah, yeah 327 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:52,280 Yeah, maybe an upgraded alternator from an o7 to coma that puts out maybe just a little bit more amperage 328 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,600 But that's about it 329 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,000 And I know you're on you've got you do at the mxc 275 for comms, right? 330 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,520 Uh, yeah, I did. Um, I think I went off of that on 331 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,640 um, yeah, I think it was actually 332 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,600 Your recommendation to look at midlands and the comms on the hat so 333 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,000 Uh, yeah, I got um 334 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,560 Midland I really like um, that's the mxc 275 335 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,840 um, and then I had a 336 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,560 I think it's retrovis or some like re tevis. I don't even know how to say it. Um 337 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:37,800 It's a a mobile antenna. It's just a large antenna to help uh extend the range of the communication 338 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520 Mounted that in the the back of the fj 339 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,560 um, I got a uh 340 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,200 What was it? Oh the um 341 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,400 It's like a little uh external speaker so that I can actually hear 342 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:57,320 people when I'm driving um on comms because 343 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:02,760 That that kind of just does not get loud enough. So and then uh 344 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,120 Yeah, I think I have the 345 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,680 uh a pack it's like it's a two pack 346 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,840 of hand-held radios with a extra battery pack that to give my wife if she's uh 347 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:21,000 If she needs to spa or someone else if they don't have one. So that does happen time to time 348 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,040 And then uh, and then what else for navigation and comms 349 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,200 comms. Oh, yeah, I got the wee boost overland the wee boost reach 350 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,760 Um, and that's a signal booster for cell phones and that works pretty well 351 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:42,120 You know no big deal. Just like the most expensive piece of comms gear you've got. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty unless I was to get uh 352 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:47,160 What is that the the star star link? That's gonna probably stay 353 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,440 The most expensive comms gear that I have 354 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,800 It you know what for what it is and I 355 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,080 In other people that ride with me can attest to it 356 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,640 I beat the crap out of that thing because I don't set it flat. I set it at an angle 357 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:07,320 when I'm going down trails it it's constantly being hit by trees and 358 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:10,360 Honestly, the thing's held up quite well 359 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:17,880 um, I flip it straight up when I'm on the highway on the roads and or on uh, like uh logging trails and stuff 360 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,960 And uh, I use that for just uh having a little bit of extra comms. Um 361 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,840 talking, you know back home 362 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:33,800 Making you know sending updates or for navigation like with onyx off-road google maps, etc 363 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,960 Yeah, it's uh 364 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:42,120 The wee boost is pretty cool. Um, I mean, you know my take I uh, I try to get away from cell phone coverage 365 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:46,440 So I don't really want to bring it with me. Yeah, and that's and that's the thing is I like um 366 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,440 I do like uh, like uploading sharing my adventure 367 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,080 You know, we have some family that likes to watch it and stuff 368 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:58,040 So it's a lot easier for me to share it as I go like at the end of the night 369 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,680 Uh, you know work on the pictures while everyone's sleeping and stuff and I enjoy that 370 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,280 um 371 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:10,760 But it does get a little daunting when like you get to the end of the trip and you have 400 pictures and you're like, oh 372 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:17,160 because I'm I constantly take pictures and videos and make little compilations and stuff. So it's 373 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:24,040 So it's it's a lot easier to do it when you know every day and split it up. Yeah, so uh 374 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,840 What are some future trips you've got playing anything cool for the next year? 375 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,760 Um 376 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:37,160 You know, I really wanted to hit porcupine mountains up this year, but I think that's gonna have to wait till next spring 377 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,080 I want or maybe next fall because I really want to hit it when the fall colors 378 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,560 Um, I do have we have yours coming up 379 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,440 Yeah, um the botches uh yearly trip. Yep, and then I 380 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,360 Created an event from one of our off-road routes 381 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,640 It's a a cryptid hunting event. So 382 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,680 I have that I'm putting it out. We're look we're gonna go search around for dog man 383 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,240 We're gonna go hunt his ass down 384 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:12,440 Um, but I went right to the source for one of the first sightings in michigan was in wexford county 385 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,880 So that's where we're camping is wexford county 386 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,800 Um, so that that'll be fun. I guess uh 387 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,400 as 388 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:27,160 A little side tangent from there, but as the only non original botches member, how did you become a botch? 389 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,160 Um 390 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:34,120 Probably actually through the off-road group originally uh, mitten state tours 391 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:41,560 Um, I met alex through that and we started talking he said he was in in my area too and 392 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,160 We were like, oh, really? You know what area? Oh grant. Oh me too 393 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,160 And then all of a sudden I'm like, yeah, you know went to talk to my wife 394 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:55,480 Like hey, yeah, I met this guy. He lives in uh lives in grant with us. He off-roads and stuff and she goes well 395 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,320 What's his name? I go oh his name is alex blah blah and she goes. Oh, yeah, I went to high school with him 396 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,560 so small world but uh 397 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,920 So then uh, you know, of course alex alex knows my wife too and 398 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:15,960 So it's uh, it was she's a nice lady. Yeah. Yeah. She yeah, she's she's a nice lady 399 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:23,240 But yeah, dude, uh, I mean it was pretty it was pretty cool small small world though 400 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:30,360 And he only lives like uh five minutes away from me. So he gets to help me with any of the issues that I have like 401 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,560 Uh any of my um 402 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,480 engine issues or something 403 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,360 And then I help him hold flashlights. Hey, son. You're not holding it. Uh smooth off. I know 404 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,640 I know. You get ptsc from that. Yeah, me any? Well 405 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,680 Oh, no, I was just gonna say it was uh, it was nice learning a little bit about you and it'll be cool to 406 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,680 Watch your rig progress as uh the next uh coming years come up 407 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,840 Yeah, yeah, once I uh once I start upgrading the exterior a little bit. It's gonna be nice. I don't have a whole lot 408 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,360 You know just the the crap I got on my roof and 409 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:10,040 stuff it'll be nice to take that stuff off optimize it, you know, I do plan on getting like a prind zoo 410 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000 uh roof rack and then 411 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,320 Which sucks because I'm gonna have to take all the gear off and put it back on 412 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,840 Planning to get some new lights a front bumper eventually. I think I'm just gonna get a 413 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,960 One of those hidden winch bumpers because I don't mind the look of my front end 414 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:35,000 Yeah, I don't mind the look of your front end either. And you know, usually when you add a bumper depending on what it is 415 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,080 Of course, it does affect your approach angles. So 416 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:46,120 I uh the one I originally wanted before I started doing this was like the big arv safari brush bumper 417 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,080 And uh that has changed 418 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,080 so 419 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,080 You know once I 420 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,080 What then you just weld the tow hitch 421 00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:02,440 To the front and make a shovel and then everything's okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I could help dig the holes out for everybody else behind me 422 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,160 So yeah, I mean at that point I could just be a bulldozer 423 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,720 Oh, this hole is too crazy. It won't hold on. Let me go through. Let me go through it first 424 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,400 I'll get stuck hook the winch up and pull everything out of it for everyone 425 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,320 Yeah, well man, thanks for uh coming on and introducing yourself and your rig a little bit 426 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:28,680 We'll definitely get to know you a little more over the next couple of episodes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for uh, thanks for having me 427 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,280 I'll definitely uh, definitely keep bugging everyone on here. So 428 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,680 Well, all right. Yeah, she grilled me all about my stuff and my rig and what I like to do 429 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,200 I guess it's uh, it's only fair that I ask you a little bit about yours since I don't honestly know a whole lot about it 430 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,840 so, uh 431 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,320 I 432 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,320 I guess we'll start off with uh, like what is it? What are you? 433 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,320 I know it's a you know Toyota 4runner, but what year? 434 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,040 So I mine's a 435 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,160 very clapped out 98 Toyota 4runner 436 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:04,840 Um 437 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,280 She'd been through the ringer by the time I got her about 240 ish thousand miles when I bought it 438 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,840 And I've put almost 23 or 24,000 on it in the last year 439 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,080 Um 440 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,080 which 441 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,320 I worked from home. So all pretty much all of that is trips 442 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,120 Yeah, that's fair 443 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Yeah, you do definitely. Yeah, as I was gonna say you definitely do a lot of a lot of trips 444 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,520 So you don't really have any reason to to run around long long distances with it 445 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,360 so 446 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,600 Well, so when year did you buy that? 447 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,960 A couple years ago 448 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:49,560 No, I bought that in 23 april of 23. Oh, okay. Yeah, so that's not too bad. So yeah 449 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,280 And how do you I really like it very long? 450 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,960 Yeah 451 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,120 Well, and you're uh, you're a jeep guy before this right you're a jeep guy before you bought this one 452 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,760 yeah, I had a 453 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,120 My first car was an 83 cj7 454 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,320 Um, just one that my dad had bought when he got back from Saudi Arabia because he loved him over there 455 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:15,240 So he bought one and it was our family jeep until I totaled it in 2013 456 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,800 always um 457 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,800 Then I bought a 2000 tj when I was in Korea 458 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,160 Uh, I my dad bought it with my money. I because I couldn't have cars over there 459 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,920 but I uh, I built that um 460 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,720 Most of 2016 461 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,400 Wealed it all over the southwest Arizona, Colorado 462 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,240 um 463 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:45,720 You know, Nevada, Utah those kinds of places and then I mean I've had I had a 73 j4 000 that I towed it with 464 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,160 So it mostly all jeeps and then I bought a toyota 465 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,080 Well, how you liking it is it better is it worse? What's the what's your ups? What's your downs? 466 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,400 Well, I miss solid axle ifs is all right. If it's a smooth, you know daily driving 467 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,040 I probably prefer the ifs 468 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:12,040 But when it comes to trail time, I treat my forerunner like it's a jeep and I break it all the time because of it 469 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,360 That's true 470 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,720 That's true 471 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,720 I can uh, I can attest to that 472 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,880 I think I'm on front end rebuild like two or three in a year 473 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,760 you also treat your 474 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,880 forerunner like it's a 475 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,840 $500 jeep xj 476 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:39,080 That you couldn't give a fuck less about so to be fair on all the ifs systems and toyota's out there 477 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,440 He doesn't just beat it up like it's an off-road jeep. He just beats the living dog shit out of it 478 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,480 I don't matter what it is. Yeah, I mean so 479 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:54,600 So that's not necessarily a slight to uh, ifs. He's just very hard on those vehicles and knows how to fix them so 480 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,760 Continues to do that. So there's your disclaimer for that 481 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:05,800 So I you you beat the shit out of it, but uh, what have you done to it to actually do that? 482 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,800 I mean, I know that you have a lift on it, but what what do you got going on? 483 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,240 so in the rear, um, it's on uh 484 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,040 The rear is just a three inch rough country 485 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,440 um, it's got 486 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,520 Uh, I can't think the name of it right now 487 00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:27,080 The correction to keep to put the axle back straight under the truck whatever that's called anyways the rear is very simple 488 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,680 It's nothing major. Um in the front. I've got 489 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,480 Now I've got gusseted 490 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,040 spindles since I broke one 491 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,680 and 492 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,280 It's mostly just 493 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,800 simple stuff freedom off-road front front suspension 494 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,160 Nice and cheap seems to work. I haven't really gotten out and beat on it too much since I put that on 495 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,000 um 496 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,040 I've got a northwest trail innovations front bumper 497 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,680 I 498 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,120 it's 499 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,720 It's pretty okay. I paid 200 bucks for it on facebook marketplace. So I can't complain about it too much 500 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200 Yeah, no can't complain 501 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,360 And we just welded that right to the frame 502 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,720 I never planned on taking it off because I break stuff too often to make it removable 503 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,280 Yeah, what are you running for a winch? 504 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:23,560 Uh, I've got a nice cheap x-bowl 10k. Um, oh, yeah, okay. I think I paid 300 bucks for it 505 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,560 But yeah, that's on my list too 506 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,240 It just kind of works. I mean, I was gonna go with something a little more expensive and then 507 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:32,680 um 508 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,720 One of the guys from mst pointed me towards x-bowl and it just 509 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,080 I figured for 300 bucks if it only worked for a year. It still was worth the money 510 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,520 How long have you had? 511 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,520 Uh, probably eight months 512 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,760 Okay, well, it's yeah, it's doing pretty good. So I never have issues with it 513 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,960 Yeah, I mean that's on my list. I think x-bowl 514 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,080 One of the harbor freight specials 515 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,320 Something like that. I think is mine. I'm definitely not going to be going for a warrant on my first 516 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,120 my first winch so 517 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,320 um, I think I think the harbor freight special will be my uh 518 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,200 Probably be my thing because at least I can return it or if anything fries on it 519 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,080 I have I could just drive to the one at 30 minutes away and 520 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,480 well, that's 521 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,920 That's the other thing with x-bowl is we're pretty sure that they're made in the same factory as the harbor freight ones 522 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,320 Yeah, and they're half the cost 523 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,600 So, yeah, let's say let's say you buy one and you break it in six months 524 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,960 You can buy another one and it would be just like because if you'd bought 525 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,280 one 526 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,960 Of the badlands. Yeah, very fair very fair 527 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,040 so 528 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,800 so you have to 529 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,120 Yeah, you got the the bumper of the winch 530 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,880 the you got 531 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,400 Cut your fenders 532 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,400 You have sliced up. What is up? Yeah 533 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,400 Hey barely got fenders. So it looks like you have a bigger lift than you really do 534 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,720 So at least in the front. Yeah, um, and then you run in you go on. Is that like a three inch? 535 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,160 Is that a lift? 536 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:12,280 I've got it set the front. I've got it set at about 3.2 inches. I'd say and then the rear is just solid three inches 537 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,040 right 538 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,040 and then everything else 539 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,800 Pretty much everything else front suspension is just 540 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,840 From the factory because I mean if I break a cv axle, I want to be able to run 541 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,480 Noreily's and grab one and just throw it in there to get home 542 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,360 Yeah, that's fair. Yeah 543 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,200 What do you uh, what are you running for like wheels and tires? 544 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,880 I've got some relation race wheels 545 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,720 They're bronze, you know the whole new uh overlander thing 546 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:45,560 Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. They're really sick. I want them 547 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,480 Yeah, I love them. They came on the truck and they'll probably stay there forever because I love them. Yeah, they're nice 548 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:58,200 And then I've got some uh good old ebay special mud trains. They're a road one kelvery 549 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,080 Oh, yeah, yep 550 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,080 They're uh, I think I paid like 551 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,160 550 for the four of them 552 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,960 I've had them on there about a year and they've been pretty solid 553 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,120 hmm 554 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,120 Then you have uh 555 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,560 Some kind of thing with your valve stems, right? Uh, I forget what that's called 556 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,560 Yeah, I'm running the apex designs rapid. No 557 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,280 Uh, something deflate I think but basically it's just it's got a little switch on it 558 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,200 You pull up on it and the tire deflates and I keep my uh 559 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,840 Um gauge hooked up to it and stop it where it needs to be 560 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,120 Uh, so yeah, it's the rpv is what they call it the apex designs rpv 561 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:49,000 Yeah, that has been pretty nice. I I watch you just pull that and get right to what you need to get to and that's quick 562 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:57,480 Yeah, my air down time is like 40 seconds. Yeah all the way around. Yeah, I was gonna say you got to like run around just to do it 563 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:04,760 but uh, so uh, okay. Well, you got the your air down. What's your air up? What are you working with? I 564 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,960 I've always wanted um onboard air 565 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,760 Uh on the tj. I had just a little 12 volt pump. I didn't have a tank or anything 566 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,560 Um, it was just enough to you know turn on the locker and that was it 567 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,560 so this time around I went with a 568 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,240 Just a ebay 12 volt pump that I've got plumbed into a little two gallon tank 569 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,080 Um, and it it works pretty well that pumps getting 570 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:37,960 Starting to see the end of its life. I think but yeah, it still works. It looks like a an off brand 571 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,760 Viere 572 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,440 compressor 573 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,760 It's uh vixen horns. I think is who makes that one or who branded that one 574 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,120 Yeah, I mean it still starts with a fucking v so might as well be 575 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,720 I mean, I mean they look identical, but yeah 576 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,440 I it's worked a lot better than the harbor freight ones. I've had so I can't really 577 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,040 I can't complain too bad. I went through three of them in three weeks. So 578 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,000 I ended up just going with a more expensive one and just being done with it, but 579 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:13,720 Eventually, I really think with your uh your harbor freight ones. I think that if you had had them plumbed into a tank 580 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,880 So they had some time to cool 581 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,120 um, oh, yeah, I helped 582 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:26,040 That I wasn't even down that much for psi like it wasn't like I was running 10 psi or anything 583 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,520 Going over up to 30. I was doing like 20 to 30 584 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,440 and 585 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,320 yeah, like 20 to 30 15 to 30 and 586 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,560 Each time the first time it was it literally the fuse melted inside of the the compressor 587 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,360 The second time it just started knocking and stopped working started blowing the fuse 588 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,360 and then the third time it literally sounded like a knocking engine 589 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:57,640 And the whole thing just came right apart out the out the side. So I said, yeah, that's enough. I got that 70 bucks back 590 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,440 threw it right back into a compressor off of amazon. I think it was a 591 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:10,760 Thor's lightning and that things worked really good for me. I actually used it this last uh this weekend did my tires and 592 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,520 Mike's tires right after mine and it was 593 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:23,640 Still cool enough that you could grab it. It was hot, but it was it's nothing near anything like the other compressors where you can't even touch it 594 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,280 So right, right? 595 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,760 So yeah, man, I it'll be really nice. Uh, maybe I'll do a tank like you because 596 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,400 The the less stress the better on these compressors you want them to last long 597 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:42,840 so yeah, I I really think the tank uh has really helped mine last as long as it has and that 598 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:48,840 Even though it's only two pounds that little burst of air right there. I mean, I've rebeded a tire with it like it 599 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,240 Oh, yeah, it can be helpful. Yeah for sure 600 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,680 And you have that actually plumbed into you the inside of your truck though not uh like the 601 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,720 Not under the hood or in the back. So you have that in the back, uh, like the cargo area, right? 602 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,520 Yeah, I have it on the the rear 603 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,160 fender well 604 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,240 Yeah, well and you have a lot of room back there too. So I think you're actually 605 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:19,160 So not to not to tangent off but kind of the uh, I think you're working out what the the Milwaukee Packout System 606 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,400 You're that's going to be your kind of avenue 607 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:22,920 for 608 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,480 for organization, I guess for your equipment 609 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,560 Yeah, I'm getting there. Um first I'm doing 610 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,800 The first two packouts are going to be battery boxes because I'm moving my 611 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,840 battery to the back so that I can make room for um tubbing for 37s 612 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,840 Oh, so 613 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,520 those 614 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,520 The battery is going to come to the back 615 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,080 um, and it'll be uh sealed agm inside of a pack out 616 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,320 Which will then have an anderson connector to connect for the rest of the truck 617 00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:00,360 And then um on top of that i'm going to do two new compressors dual compressor this time instead of single 618 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,640 And those will just click into the top of that case with an anderson connector. Yeah 619 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,200 Yeah, no, I you kind of turned me on to the whole anderson connector thing 620 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,440 And uh, that's such a good idea. It's so quick. Um 621 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,680 And I just got limerizers for my truck and it's a pain in the ass to unhook them every time I want to pop the hood 622 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:26,200 So I'm really uh really glad you told me about those because I'm going to be making one coming out the front of my 623 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,440 Front of my truck pretty soon and we might as well hook you up with one too 624 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:38,120 I uh, I always look at the anderson connectors as a civilian version of the army slave cable. Yeah 625 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,680 Because if I could if I could do slave cables, man, that's exactly what I do right, right 626 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,000 so 627 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:53,320 You uh, is that is that going to be your uh, kind of do all is the mil walkie pack out or are you going to have 628 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,280 um, yeah 629 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,200 There's something I think you're like you're like your tents or something like that like 630 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:08,920 I think I'm gonna end up doing mostly just pack outs. Um, I'm getting the pack out mounts from um off-road anonymous 631 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,680 Who's based out of traverse city by the way? Oh, if I look at how you think that's cool. Yeah, but um 632 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,560 Yeah, so I'm getting the 633 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,000 pack out mounts from him screwing them into my cargo area. Um 634 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,880 It just it's nice not to have to tie things down and have a quick removable box. Um, 635 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,480 So I'll have one that has all my camping and tent stuff in it. I'll have one with recovery gear 636 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,160 I'll have you know all the everything will have its own box nice clean and sorted 637 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,800 Yeah, I'm gonna do something a little 638 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,280 A little different, but I really like that idea. Um 639 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,600 Maybe if I delete my seat system at all it'll kind of 640 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,600 Morph into that, but 641 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,920 I just I have such small amount of room right now that 642 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,640 I think yeah the more the more pack out the more boxing type material right 643 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,600 The the worst for me right now 644 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,600 So but it's gonna be super clean looking and I can't wait to see it 645 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,120 So, I mean you said you were running while you said you're moving the batteries to the back 646 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,560 You're trying to get tubbing for 37s. What's your what's your plans for it then? 647 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,200 If you're trying to throw 37s on there 648 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,200 I mean in the future. I'll probably just get I'll probably sit at 37s 649 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,000 Um, I just want to not feel as much on the trail as I do right now 650 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000 Kind of smooth things out a little bit 651 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,200 Obviously be able to attack some larger obstacles. Um 652 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,360 To me 653 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:38,600 You know a little different than you when we go wheeling we go set up a base camp and then we wheel the area around the base camp 654 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,920 And we might pack up and move base camp, you know after a couple days, but 655 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,960 It to me it's nice because I can just get there take everything out of the truck 656 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,520 Set it at base camp and then go wheel 657 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:56,440 Yeah, I love that. I love that this off-road community. There's so many different versions of doing 658 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,560 And trying to accomplish, you know the same thing 659 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,200 So it's really cool that we can get together like this and uh, you have your plans 660 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,920 I have mine and we still can kind of coexist and and that's really fun 661 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,840 So do you have any uh future trips coming up either uh that you plan on doing other than 662 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,040 We have the boxes one that I really yeah, the botches one nearly. Do you have anything else going on? 663 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,400 um 664 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,080 Well coming up next year in june, I believe we're going to be going down 665 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,120 to 666 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,120 Um 667 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,120 Leatherwood with MSD 668 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,240 Yep. Um, yeah, I know you guys are probably going to go down to do that. I don't know 669 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:39,080 If I will be yet. Um, 670 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,800 I don't know if that's my thing 671 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,560 Uh, but it might be nice to just go down there and 672 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:52,280 See the terrain and see the other the other off-road stuff. I'm I'm more of like an off-road trail kind of guy 673 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:53,400 Um 674 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:59,240 Like I like that. I like the exploring with trails, but uh leatherwood as I understand it as a newer park 675 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,000 so 676 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,360 with like 677 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,360 Uh, 678 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,800 Like uh 679 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:12,920 5 000 acres or something like that tons of tons of trails and I think it's all ranging difficulties too 680 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:19,480 So like you can bring whatever you want really so it's looking like it's going to be kind of a really cool spot to 681 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,720 to run around in 682 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,880 I'm sorry 50 000 acres and 250 miles of trails 683 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,600 Ah, that's uh, you can 684 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,520 Ask you can actually overland inside the park 685 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,560 Yeah, if I do that I probably would I would 686 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,520 Sounds like a lot of fun too 687 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,720 Just don't know if I'm I'm just I'm just uh, you know weighing it, you know, do I want to 688 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,880 spend that much 689 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,880 mileage to go down there 690 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,520 Or spend that much mileage going in either other direction. So 691 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,160 We're still we're still thinking about it 692 00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,600 I mean if I get that tow rig I'm working on then we just put all three trucks on the trailer and go down 693 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,600 Yeah, yeah 694 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,560 Yeah, that's uh 695 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,560 That would be fun other than being cramped in the tow rig 696 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:16,120 But yes, well the tow I'm looking at crew cab obs trucks. So you'll have plenty of room. Yeah, that's true 697 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,200 The um, maybe that'd be a trip not to bring the ladies with us though because that could get crowded 698 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,920 Ladies my son 699 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,520 Your dogs 700 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,600 That's a fun one. That's a that'd be a fun day 701 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,720 We would uh, we'd have to make mark drive the taco separate just to have room. Yeah 702 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,320 Yeah, there'd be some there'd be some choice words. I'm sure on this trip like that 703 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,120 But yeah, man, it's uh, well, thanks for uh, introducing me man. It's uh, 704 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,120 Really cool that we're actually doing this podcast together and we got uh, 705 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,360 Mark that we're gonna do another episode with him on eventually 706 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,320 But uh, I just want to say thank you for uh, for getting this kind of set up 707 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,560 You know, I'm more of a voice behind it, but I have no idea on the technical side of it 708 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,560 So it's really cool that you're trying to do 709 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,680 Uh, the offer of podcasts on kind of a different platform than like your typical 710 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,880 Spotify stuff. Um, and I'm not really familiar with it, but the value for value thing is kind of a cool concept 711 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:22,120 It uh, it mostly just streamlines the way that artists or uh, podcasters get paid 712 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:28,360 Um instead of having you know a spotify you have to have so many listens before you start getting anything and 713 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,560 Um, you really have to play into that ad market 714 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,680 Whereas with value for value whoever's listening can just decide to send some money to you 715 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,400 They can just you know, send you a quick message with 10 000 sats or 716 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,920 Uh, just shoot you maybe just a boost a blank boost with just some some sats in it 717 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,520 Oh, so yeah, I mean it's it's pretty cool 718 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:57,400 Yeah, that is definitely really cool, and I'm definitely glad we went this route versus the the other route 719 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,240 I mean, I think that it's cool that people can come by and watch and if 720 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,560 They don't like it. They don't have to or if they do like it. They can contribute to future episodes. So 721 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,640 It's uh, I think that's really cool. Um, you pay people based on what you value them at and yeah 722 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,440 Yeah, and 723 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,160 In the future I could see us having a boost segment where we read people's messages and boost 724 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:25,880 Uh, that way they can you know kind of feel like they're part of the show 725 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,280 Oh, yeah, dude. I'd love to interact with interact with some people 726 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,680 and I 727 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,480 I don't necessarily care about the money, uh, but I'd like to support the value for value idea 728 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,200 So we'll play into a little 729 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,000 Yeah, I mean money's not gonna do much 730 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:49,240 Um, right for us any time soon. I mean, well, we're gonna be putting it right back into this. So 731 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,520 Yeah, uh, eventually maybe you guys can uh can love us enough that we can 732 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,320 Buy us the gas that you are traveling and that 733 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:05,400 That that's when I start I start going like this and we made it boys. That's it. That's the end of the line for me 734 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,160 You that's what I move into my truck with my job. Yeah 735 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,240 Yeah, you pay you pay for my gas. That's all I need say less 736 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:19,720 That's I mean I can live off hot dogs after that. That's fine. Yeah, the value for value is pretty cool. Um 737 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:26,360 And the whole podcasting 2.0 ecosystem. I mean it gives us the ability to live streaming inside of an app 738 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,880 um 739 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,840 If you're using a modern podcast app something like, uh 740 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,680 I don't even know what all there is anymore. You've got podverse 741 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,160 um 742 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,160 fountain 743 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,320 I don't know who else has jumped on there, but yeah, if you get a podcasting 2.0 app 744 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:48,040 We'll be able to do live streams right in the app. It'll give you a notification to tell you that we're live 745 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:49,560 um 746 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,680 You'll with fountain you're able to actually interact and like comment on the 747 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,800 Podcast so you can actually interact with us that way 748 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,200 Um, I mean there's just there's a lot to it man. There's a lot that we can do now 749 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:09,000 There's definitely a lot to it. That's that's kind of actually over my head a little bit. So I'm glad we got tech gurus like you here 750 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,800 So man, it's been nice. Uh 751 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:20,200 Appreciate you for coming in telling us about your rig what you want to do and and then even explaining the value for value thing for the podcast 752 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,680 So anybody who's listening now can uh 753 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:27,320 To look back on this and if they did any information on value for value. This is a pretty good, uh 754 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:33,480 Pretty good intro to that kind of thing. So appreciate it. Appreciate your time. Yeah. No appreciate yours