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Here's a lesson to you fellas out there. Go get

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yourself a picture with Taylor Swift. Much harder

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to do now. Or just find the next Taylor Swift,

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get a picture while they're still accessible,

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and then ride that into Valhalla. Welcome to

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the show, people. Welcome to the show. Read my

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shorts. So here is to conversation. Tranquility

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Base here. Vehicle has landed. Welcome to the

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Cash Exchange. Welcome. How's it going? Good.

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My allergies have been on a massive tear since

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it's still 70 degrees in January, but other than

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that, I'm feeling it. Yeah? You been sniffing

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some trees? I am in hill country, so there are,

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fortunately and unfortunately right now, a lot

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of trees around me. Well, you take... The good,

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you take the bad. And then the facts of life

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is what I've heard. Never seen it. You've never

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seen the facts of life? No. Mrs. Garrett and

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Trudy and Joe and Blair. Sure. Keep naming people

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at me. Miss Garrett rings a bell, but. I've still

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not seen the show. Miss Garrett had a resurgence

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in the original or second season of Family Guy.

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She's mentioned every once in a while. Yeah.

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She's the girl's... Like the house mom. I forget

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what it is. Like the house mom. Oh, okay. But

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it's not a sorority. It's a boarding school.

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Maybe. Boarding house? Okay. I don't know. Something

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like that. I assumed it was like a family sitcom

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thing. No, it's a bunch of girls that aren't

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related, and then Miss Garrett watches over all

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of them. Okay. The more you know. Checking out.

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About 70s, 80s sitcoms. Was it 70s or 80s? I

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thought it was way more recent than that. I thought

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it was like a 90s thing. No. No. It was 70s or

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80s. Let's find out. August 24th, 1979 to May

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7th, 1988. Boom. Oh, wow. Nailed it on both fronts.

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That's a long time. You want to hear a story

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real quick of a total douche canoe that I ran

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into? On a scale of one to knocked over your

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ladder in Boston. How big of a douche canoe are

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we talking? It's not that egregious. It's maybe

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halfway between knocking over the ladder and

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just being a completely pleasant person to be

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around. So picture this park, beautiful, sunny

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Saturday morning. I'm there with my youngest.

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She wants to get on the swings. She's on the

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swing. She wants me to push her. I push her.

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She says, can you push me higher? And I said,

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no. No, no, no. You asked me if I can take you

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higher. She said, I don't know what that means.

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And I said, you just got to say, can you take

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me higher? I said, it's from a song. She said,

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what song? I said, from one of the greatest bands

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of all time, Creed. She said, can I hear it?

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And I said, you know what? You sure can. My little

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dumpling, my little pudding pop. So she's sitting

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on a swing. She's in one of those ones that has

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like the, it's like a pod. And it has little

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shoulder restraints that come over and it clicks

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in. It's like for special kids that maybe can't

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swing on their own, can't stay in the seat on

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their own. But it's not one of the baby ones

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that probably two years ago I put her in and

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then we almost had to call the fire department

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because I couldn't get her out. It's not one

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of those. But she's listening to it and she has

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lyrics on and she's listening to Creed living

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her best life. I'm pushing her, and then every

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time she hears the words, can you take me higher?

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She sings, can you take me higher? And I push

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her. She listens to the song like three times

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through. We're having a gay old time. And then

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this smaller girl asks her dad if he can put

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her in the swing next to mine. He lifts her up

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there and puts the little... walks her in the

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little shoulder straps on her and she looks over

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at mine and says can i watch the phone like she

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is which okay sure i get it it looks like i'm

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just trying to babysit with the phone like fine

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i understand that and so he's huffing and puffing

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while he's trying to find something for her to

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watch on his phone and she's like can i can i

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watch a phone can i watch a phone can i watch

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a phone He gives it to her and mine is still

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living her best life. She's on like the sixth

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go around of hire. And then I'm assuming it's

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the dad's mom, kid's grandma comes over and says,

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oh, does she really need a phone right now? And

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the guy at full volume says, oh, yeah, this guy

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over here. Just has his daughter with the phone

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while she's swinging, so whatever. Has to have

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it, too. And first off, first off, don't go blaming

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a complete stranger because you cannot tell your

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daughter no. If I were in that situation and

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I did not want them to have my phone, I would

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say, no, you'll be fine. Enjoy the park. He didn't

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ask for any circumstances. Or the reason why

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she has a phone on the swing. Because then, almost

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immediately after, she goes to hand it to me

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and throws it right into the woodchucks. Woodchunks.

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Chunks of wood. Right into the woodchucks. And

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I'm like, come on, man. What are you doing? It's

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too early for this. Don't be a douche. At least

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say it under your breath or say, I'll tell you

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about it later or anything like that. Not at

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full volume. Just so the entire part can know

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that you're a big ol' a -hole. The internet was

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a bad invention. I know I say it pretty often,

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but I think that it has ruined how we behave

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as human beings. I completely agree. I'm surprised

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there wasn't a third person just off in the background

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videotaping me. letting her have the phone on

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the swing and then i become a uh gonna get doxxed

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for creed i mean there's worse ways to go but

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sure it definitely wouldn't be my first choice

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but uh to the random dad at the park on the swings

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um screw you and now we can get on to today's

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episode All right. You ready for your three things?

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Let me know. All right. Your three things for

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this episode are Brian, Jim, and Amy. Brian,

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Jim, and Amy. Brian with an I, if that matters.

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Jim with an I? Jim with an I. Yes. Yes. If that'll

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help. Amy with a Y, though. These are... All

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the stock characters in a corporate training

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manual. This is how they teach you about sexual

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harassment in the workplace. Who's who? Is Amy

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the victim or the HR rep? Brian said something

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offensive to Amy and Jim's not technically guilty,

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but he was there for it and he didn't say anything.

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So he's, I think, guilty by proxy. Hmm. That

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was a great guess. And if we had true equality,

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Amy would be the one saying something defensive

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to Brian. And Jim would have to step in and support

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his fellow male. But no. I haven't done a lot

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of corporate training modules and things because

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restaurants typically don't particularly care

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what you say. Or do. with each other's bodies

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on or off the clock. That is a true statement,

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yeah. But the corporate stuff that I have learned

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is not very nuanced. They don't give a lot of

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women being the harassers in this situation kind

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of training. It all comes straight out of the

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80s. They are all... one acting choice away from

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calling the girl toots wait toots or i said what

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i said uh no no you are you are so close though

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so close um by way of these people are part of

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a collective okay If your three things had been

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Janice, Kurt, and Amy, would that have been any

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easier for you? Janice, Kurt, and Amy are a part

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of the same collective? All six of these main

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people that we're talking about today are. part

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of the same collective. They are members of the

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27 Club. Members of the 27 Club. How much knowledge

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do you have of the 27 Club? I know... I think

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it's kind of unfortunate, but I know more about

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these people in their connection to the 27 Club

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than I know about a lot of their lives. Yeah.

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Like, a lot of their legacies are kind of tied

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into having met tragic ends than what they did

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in their time. Not that they're not all incredible

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musicians, but it's definitely, I think, one

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of the big things that people remember about

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them. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I want to preface this

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whole episode with... focusing on the reasons

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why they're in the 27 Club, the things that led

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them there, but that doesn't diminish their status

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as musicians or everything they accomplished

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in that realm. But it is strange that almost

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every list you see the 27 Club is all musicians.

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Like, they make that distinction, and I'm not

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sure why. There are a couple of other ones that

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got added in that are not necessarily musicians.

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Jean -Michel Basquiat was one of them. He was

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a traditional media artist. You have, I believe,

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Anton Yelchin. He was a painter. Oh. More or

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less. Anton Yelchin was one. There's also...

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I'm definitely forgetting a couple. Do you think

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it has anything to do with the whole torture

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poet motif? I do think a lot of it is that kind

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of idea. These people were in an industry that

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preyed on people with substance. and addiction

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issues. And on top of that, they were people

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who were not necessarily the most mentally stable

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because you have to tap into some kind of deeper

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emotions that are a lot more volatile to be as

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great as Kurt Cobain and Amy Winehouse. I do

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think it's really interesting, though, the kind

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of connection that they make to the devil at

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the crossroads as being a part of the 27 Club.

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Like having to sell your soul for the honor of

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being celebrated, but only for a short time.

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I mean, the original member of the 27 Club was

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a blues artist from... What? I might have something

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to say about that a little later. Okay. Do you

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want to get into it later? We can get into it

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now. One of the... alleged first members of the

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27 club was a man named robert johnson who was

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one of the originators of blues from what i understand

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and his death his death from possible poisoning

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was marked as a possible deal with the devil

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but he made a deal at the crossroads he was going

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to be one of the greatest guitarists ever known

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and then he was going to meet his end incredibly

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early because he had sold his soul well anecdotally

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the mythos behind him was that he had been playing

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around clubs and doing these real tiny nothing

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shows and that he wasn't very good and that he

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just he needed to pick a different profession

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and then he decides to take a hiatus goes away

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for a little bit comes back and then is a master

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of his craft and all of a sudden is touted as

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one of the greatest blues musicians of all time.

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Do you think he sold his soul? Do you think there

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was some foul play involved? I think that a lot

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of his talent previous was maybe downplay to

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amplify the story. Okay. And do I think that

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he literally met El Diablo at the corner, at

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the intersection of two roads? No. Do I think

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that he metaphorically sold his soul? Probably.

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And that ended up taking his life. birth year

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for robert johnson really no one can verify his

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uh birth date no one's found a birth certificate

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or anything for him and so when this really when

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this really got started off it was kirk cobain

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in 1994 that really like solidified all this

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and then they start going back and trying to

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find Well, maybe there was a pattern before this.

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And then that's when you get to Jimi Hendrix

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and Janis Joplin, who died the same year at 27.

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You go back a little farther back to Brian Jones,

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one of the founding members of the Rolling Stones.

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He died at 27. And then you go farther back and

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then say, oh, well, there's Robert Johnson. He's

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got this cool story attached to him. He might

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have been 27. We can't prove that he wasn't.

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And so that's how he got tied to the 27 Club.

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And then everyone just came to the general consensus

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that, yeah, he was 27. But there's no concrete

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evidence that he was. I remember seeing that

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he had, like, his birth date was in 1911. I wonder

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where that came from. I don't know. I don't know.

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But there's multiple sources that I saw that

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said that it's a big old fabrication. Okay. Giant

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hoax. But let's start from the certified 27 clubbers.

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Brian Jones. Do you know anything about Brian

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Jones? I don't. I listen to the Rolling Stones

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pretty sparingly. I don't think I've ever really

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thought about any of their individual pieces.

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That's not your niece? That's not my niece. Well.

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He was a founding member of the Rolling Stones

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back before they were like, I guess just rock,

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but not really heavy rock. They're definitely

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not metal. They're not glam rock. I guess just

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like rock. I don't know. But this was before

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they made that transition. They were like a blues

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band out of England. It was him, Mick Jagger,

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Keith Richards, one more person that I'm blanking

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on. But he was he was talented. He played guitar.

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He played harmonica, sitar, marimba and like

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a whole bunch of other instruments. He was very

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influential in their their original sound before

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Mick and Keith ultimately just started like being

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the two members of Rolling Stones. struggled

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with drug abuse, legal problems. And when Mick

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and Keith took over, he had less and less influence

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over the direction of the band. He started becoming

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unreliable. He wouldn't show up to sets. He wouldn't

00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:33.059
come to rehearsals. He wouldn't just be an actual

00:19:33.059 --> 00:19:36.759
functioning member of the band or society, really.

00:19:36.859 --> 00:19:39.259
The drugs start taking a heavy toll on his health.

00:19:39.339 --> 00:19:43.980
And his legal troubles were almost... completely

00:19:43.980 --> 00:19:47.859
drug -related. In 1967, he was arrested in England

00:19:47.859 --> 00:19:51.759
and charged with possession of cannabis, amphetamines,

00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:55.539
and ticania after the police raided his house.

00:19:55.700 --> 00:20:00.200
I can't imagine, and maybe it was different back

00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.240
then, and they had a much harder stance on drugs,

00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:06.079
but I can't imagine the police raiding your house

00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:11.759
for that kind of, those kind of charges. Like,

00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:17.180
kidnapping? murder grand larceny maybe but he

00:20:17.180 --> 00:20:21.519
wasn't charged with like enough to say that he

00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:25.099
was like distributing or that he was manufacturing

00:20:25.099 --> 00:20:28.579
or it's just possession and that caused a full

00:20:28.579 --> 00:20:32.299
-on police raid on his house i mean i think that

00:20:32.299 --> 00:20:35.059
in that case you can given the timeline probably

00:20:35.059 --> 00:20:38.779
point to other theoretical charges like during

00:20:38.779 --> 00:20:42.069
the the U .S. hippie movement. You could say

00:20:42.069 --> 00:20:45.230
that if a person had marijuana in their house,

00:20:45.289 --> 00:20:48.069
that they were conspiring against the government

00:20:48.069 --> 00:20:50.630
and things like that. It was a lot more of an

00:20:50.630 --> 00:20:52.829
opportunity to reach at that point. That's fair.

00:20:52.970 --> 00:20:55.829
That's fair. He was convicted and sentenced.

00:20:56.730 --> 00:21:00.690
He was fined, placed on probation, and avoided

00:21:00.690 --> 00:21:05.470
prison. But the Bobbies, as they're... I don't

00:21:05.470 --> 00:21:07.069
know if they're still referred to that in England.

00:21:07.289 --> 00:21:09.759
But them... We're keeping a closer eye on him.

00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:12.279
Next year, in 1968, he was arrested again for

00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:14.019
cannabis possession. This guy just doesn't learn.

00:21:14.299 --> 00:21:18.140
Does not learn. That reinforced his reputation

00:21:18.140 --> 00:21:22.039
as being unreliable and being a legal vulnerability

00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:25.339
to everyone around him, including this man that

00:21:25.339 --> 00:21:28.079
was trying to make it big. Because of these convictions,

00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.900
he was denied a U .S. visa. And you know what

00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:33.940
you need to have in order to make it big in the

00:21:33.940 --> 00:21:36.759
music industry? A U .S. visa that allows you

00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:39.549
to tour the country. with your band, the Rolling

00:21:39.549 --> 00:21:44.250
Stones. And so, in 1969, that was one of the

00:21:44.250 --> 00:21:47.829
major reasons that solidified their decision

00:21:47.829 --> 00:21:51.329
to give him Das Boot. It was because they couldn't

00:21:51.329 --> 00:21:52.910
tour in the United States with him because he

00:21:52.910 --> 00:21:56.710
couldn't get a visa because of his criminal history.

00:21:57.089 --> 00:22:01.789
And after his release, just weeks later, on July

00:22:01.789 --> 00:22:07.099
3rd in 1969, he was found deceased. face down

00:22:07.099 --> 00:22:13.599
in his pool. And it was ruled an accidental drowning.

00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:17.339
He had plenty of drugs in his system and was

00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:22.680
one of the definitive founders of the 27 Club.

00:22:22.900 --> 00:22:26.019
It's interesting, but I don't know that there's

00:22:26.019 --> 00:22:28.160
any really hard and fast rules when it comes

00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:30.759
to who would qualify for the 27 Club. But it's

00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:32.519
interesting that he would have been kicked out

00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:35.710
of the band before he passed. So theoretically,

00:22:35.970 --> 00:22:38.849
his time in the industry would have been cut

00:22:38.849 --> 00:22:41.849
short regardless, even if not by death. Yeah,

00:22:41.930 --> 00:22:44.910
that's a running theme with these, especially

00:22:44.910 --> 00:22:47.970
the ones that are part of a group like Jim Morrison.

00:22:48.089 --> 00:22:51.829
Jim Morrison went off the deep end and ended

00:22:51.829 --> 00:22:55.910
up running off to Paris in order to avoid all

00:22:55.910 --> 00:22:59.450
the legal situations that he had found himself

00:22:59.450 --> 00:23:03.440
in here. And so he wasn't an active member of

00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:06.480
the Doors by that point because he was just all

00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.619
over the place. Even still, I feel like Brian

00:23:08.619 --> 00:23:12.039
Jones wasn't a part of it when it was big. When

00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:13.660
you think of the Rolling Stones, you don't think

00:23:13.660 --> 00:23:16.619
of Brian Jones. When you think of the Rolling

00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:18.680
Stones and you think of Brian Jones, you think

00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.779
of the fact that he was kicked out and he drowned

00:23:21.779 --> 00:23:27.640
in his own pool. So I get your point. And maybe

00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:36.819
it is a... case of the Robert Johnson thing,

00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.839
but just this one has a little more teeth to

00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:42.680
it. Because he was verified to be 27. So maybe

00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:44.799
they just wanted to go a little farther back,

00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.759
and then they were like, well, he's 27. So, I

00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:55.019
don't know. What about Jimi Hendrix? I also don't

00:23:55.019 --> 00:23:58.420
know a ton about his personal life. I do know

00:23:58.420 --> 00:24:01.319
that he's one of the greatest guitarists. to

00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:05.099
have ever been. That is correct. That is one

00:24:05.099 --> 00:24:07.980
of the things that he is known for. But I don't

00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:10.480
know a great deal about him. Do you know he was

00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.119
born in Seattle, but then didn't really get his

00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.880
popularity until he moved to London and founded

00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:19.440
the Jimi Hendrix Experience? I think that's a

00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:23.720
bold move. It's a bold move to tell people that

00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:27.299
your entire existence is an experience. He's

00:24:27.299 --> 00:24:34.559
right. It was. Yeah. You take enough illicit

00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.500
things, listen to some Jimi Hendrix, you're going

00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:40.119
to have quite the experience. This is where we

00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:44.299
start getting a lot of distortion in music, a

00:24:44.299 --> 00:24:48.960
lot of intentional feedback, and just ridiculously

00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.539
long solos. You're like halfway through and you

00:24:53.539 --> 00:24:57.079
forget what song it's a solo for. Kind of thing.

00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.109
Okay. Fair enough. So he was one of the ones

00:25:01.109 --> 00:25:03.690
that popularized that. How many people were in

00:25:03.690 --> 00:25:07.670
the Jimi Hendrix experience? Or was he just like...

00:25:07.670 --> 00:25:11.410
Yes. Yes? All of them? All of the people? All

00:25:11.410 --> 00:25:15.730
of the people. Let's find out. Was I a part of

00:25:15.730 --> 00:25:21.170
the Jimi Hendrix experience? Yes. Three. It was

00:25:21.170 --> 00:25:27.410
Jimi with a fro. And then two white guys with

00:25:27.410 --> 00:25:30.410
some heavy, heavy perms. Do you think that was

00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:32.250
a qualifier to be a part of the Jimi Hendrix

00:25:32.250 --> 00:25:36.910
experience? Yeah, I think that had to be. That

00:25:36.910 --> 00:25:40.750
and marching band jackets for some reason. I

00:25:40.750 --> 00:25:42.730
do believe that was also one of the qualifiers

00:25:42.730 --> 00:25:44.809
for being a big name was you had to have the

00:25:44.809 --> 00:25:51.529
Sgt. Pepper jackets. That's definitely what they're

00:25:51.529 --> 00:25:58.549
rocking here. But some of Jimmy Jim's most famous...

00:25:59.860 --> 00:26:02.400
I don't know why I keep blanking today. Good

00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:06.880
Lord. Monterey Pop Festival, 1967, was his U

00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:09.720
.S. breakthrough. That's where he set his guitar

00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:13.319
on fire after a huge solo and instantly became

00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:18.259
like a rock god. Reasonably. Also, the same event

00:26:18.259 --> 00:26:21.700
where Janis Joplin hit it big, and we'll talk

00:26:21.700 --> 00:26:23.480
about her a little later. What if that was the

00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:25.759
actual cursed event? There's just like specific

00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:30.339
music festivals that condemn you. Could be. Could

00:26:30.339 --> 00:26:32.559
be. Woodstock's on here, but I think Woodstock

00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.700
99 is more the cursed one than the original.

00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:40.240
Purple Haze was released in 1967. It was a single

00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:47.519
that has been reported or touted as like the

00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:51.839
one that changed rock music just because of how

00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:56.920
feedback heavy, how fuzzy, how like kind of chaotic.

00:26:57.690 --> 00:27:02.869
It all was and started to shift that way into

00:27:02.869 --> 00:27:08.430
more things like heavy metal or, why do I keep

00:27:08.430 --> 00:27:11.490
blanking? More like a heavier sound. Yeah. That

00:27:11.490 --> 00:27:15.210
led to stuff like heavy metal, like your Metallicas,

00:27:15.490 --> 00:27:18.710
your, later on, your Slipknot, your, all that

00:27:18.710 --> 00:27:22.869
kind of stuff. Woodstock, 99, or, good lord,

00:27:23.049 --> 00:27:28.420
Woodstock's 1969. Nice. is where he had his famous

00:27:28.420 --> 00:27:32.700
National Anthem performance that was like seven,

00:27:32.819 --> 00:27:38.200
eight minutes long. And it's probably one of

00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:44.440
the most mimicked renditions of the National

00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:46.440
Anthem. Like if you have someone on an electric

00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:48.519
guitar playing the National Anthem, that's the

00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.579
version that they're trying to copy is the Jimi

00:27:51.579 --> 00:27:54.480
Hendrix one. The most copied National Anthem

00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:59.960
isn't Fergie's? I think it's up there. I've heard

00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:02.279
a lot of things that sound like Fergie. I think

00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:05.740
that's unintentionally copying. I think if you're

00:28:05.740 --> 00:28:08.440
trying to do the Jimmy National Anthem, it's

00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:13.359
fully intention. But if you're trying to copy

00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.920
Fergie Ferg, it is completely accidental and

00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:20.660
it will probably not have a great effect on your

00:28:20.660 --> 00:28:25.200
career. 1967. Are you experienced? Was their

00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.220
first album. Okay. Again. I don't like that.

00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:34.400
Really feeding into the Jimmy ego. Have you experienced

00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:42.180
me yet is a horrifying concept. 1970, he opened

00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:46.460
his own recording studio in New York. And also

00:28:46.460 --> 00:28:50.819
in 1970, the Isle of Wight Festival was one of

00:28:50.819 --> 00:28:54.460
his. Last performances, but also people started

00:28:54.460 --> 00:28:58.920
to notice the toll that everything was taking

00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.740
on him. So, I mean, from his first major single,

00:29:03.019 --> 00:29:06.619
Purple Haze, to his death is a three -year span.

00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:09.859
And people still talk about Jimi Hendrix. Yeah,

00:29:09.859 --> 00:29:13.039
I think that kind of ties into one of the big

00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.500
factors behind people being in the 27 Club. It's

00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.960
that your prefrontal cortex is fully developed

00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:25.230
at like 26. Somewhere between 25 and 27. If in

00:29:25.230 --> 00:29:29.109
the most pivotal years of your 20s, you get elevated

00:29:29.109 --> 00:29:32.089
from just being a dude that plays guitar to the

00:29:32.089 --> 00:29:35.529
Jimi Hendrix experience, and you become a rock

00:29:35.529 --> 00:29:39.029
god in that small of a window, I don't think

00:29:39.029 --> 00:29:41.349
your brain could possibly keep up with that.

00:29:41.730 --> 00:29:44.789
I think that's unfortunately kind of the natural

00:29:44.789 --> 00:29:47.970
progression of things. Because if you get that

00:29:47.970 --> 00:29:51.329
level of self -realization, then... You know

00:29:51.329 --> 00:29:53.970
that it's going to fall apart around you. Or

00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:56.009
you think that you can only go higher and you

00:29:56.009 --> 00:29:57.670
have to push yourself to limits that you couldn't

00:29:57.670 --> 00:30:02.390
possibly achieve. And you end up face down in

00:30:02.390 --> 00:30:12.730
the pool. I am 33 currently. And I don't think

00:30:12.730 --> 00:30:17.109
my brain could handle me being able to legitimately

00:30:17.109 --> 00:30:27.069
ask people. If they have experienced me. I mean,

00:30:27.190 --> 00:30:31.690
the artist's bravado is also an entirely different

00:30:31.690 --> 00:30:34.730
beast. You have to put yourself above the kind

00:30:34.730 --> 00:30:36.349
of pushback that you're going to get. And the

00:30:36.349 --> 00:30:41.490
only way you can do that is by being just hilariously

00:30:41.490 --> 00:30:46.509
out of touch. Because sometimes you're Jimi Hendrix.

00:30:47.289 --> 00:30:50.670
And you are actually asking people if they've

00:30:50.670 --> 00:30:52.410
experienced you because it is an experience.

00:30:52.450 --> 00:30:56.349
And sometimes you are just that dude that's standing

00:30:56.349 --> 00:30:59.210
on the corner a couple blocks away from me playing

00:30:59.210 --> 00:31:06.410
a ukulele. Jimmy was found unconscious and unresponsive

00:31:06.410 --> 00:31:10.289
but breathing in his apartment in London, taken

00:31:10.289 --> 00:31:11.650
to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.

00:31:13.150 --> 00:31:18.690
It was determined that he... had suffocated by

00:31:18.690 --> 00:31:24.390
choking on his own spew, which seems like a hell

00:31:24.390 --> 00:31:30.390
of a way to go. Not fun. I wouldn't imagine.

00:31:31.190 --> 00:31:37.509
What is your knowledge of Janis Joplin? I've

00:31:37.509 --> 00:31:41.750
listened to more Janis Joplin, I think, than

00:31:41.750 --> 00:31:46.279
Jimi Hendrix, less than The Rolling Stones. Somewhere

00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:52.920
in the middle. She was an American singer who

00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:58.400
had a very distinct voice, very raspy, very worn,

00:31:58.539 --> 00:32:04.619
even though she was barely an adult whenever

00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:09.960
she hit it big. She was born in Port Arthur,

00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:12.740
Texas. And if you go down there, there is an

00:32:12.740 --> 00:32:15.349
unbelievable amount of tributes to her. Because

00:32:15.349 --> 00:32:20.930
it is their claim to fame is that Janis Joplin

00:32:20.930 --> 00:32:25.529
is from Port Arthur. She did not have a great

00:32:25.529 --> 00:32:30.430
experience growing up, which is a common theme

00:32:30.430 --> 00:32:33.630
with a lot of these, I would say probably all

00:32:33.630 --> 00:32:36.309
these people. But if not all, then a majority

00:32:36.309 --> 00:32:39.150
of them ended up hitchhiking to San Francisco,

00:32:39.190 --> 00:32:44.460
where she joined. Big Brother and The Holding

00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:51.019
Company. Her music is real heavy, bluesy, and

00:32:51.019 --> 00:32:57.599
folky, and very... I mean, I don't think it was

00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.380
distinct for the time, because I think there

00:33:00.380 --> 00:33:03.779
was a lot of similar acts like her at the time,

00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.799
but I think that she is one of the ones that

00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:10.799
was propelled beyond that, so much so that she

00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.420
still has... radio play on a broader range of

00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:18.920
stations than most of the other contemporaries

00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.799
of, of her. I could see that. Cause like you

00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:26.920
can go and flip through your stations and you

00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:30.500
could hear me and Bobby McGee, which is a good

00:33:30.500 --> 00:33:32.799
song. It's a, it's a really good song. Yeah.

00:33:32.819 --> 00:33:35.599
Peace of my heart. You know that song? I'm sure.

00:33:36.140 --> 00:33:41.710
Yeah. That was Janice. And I think she ended

00:33:41.710 --> 00:33:46.490
up having three albums before she died. Like

00:33:46.490 --> 00:33:50.809
Jimi Hendrix, her big U .S. debut was the Monterey

00:33:50.809 --> 00:33:55.369
Pop Festival in 1967. She had been battling addiction

00:33:55.369 --> 00:33:58.329
pretty much her entire life. She did not take

00:33:58.329 --> 00:34:03.089
the fame well. She became codependent on not

00:34:03.089 --> 00:34:06.329
just the drugs and alcohol, but also on the people

00:34:06.329 --> 00:34:15.710
around her. She would kind of love bomb and then

00:34:15.710 --> 00:34:19.570
overstay her welcome. And whenever those people

00:34:19.570 --> 00:34:22.590
decided that they just needed a little space,

00:34:22.670 --> 00:34:25.409
she would take that very personally. And it would

00:34:25.409 --> 00:34:30.150
throw her deeper into her depression, her anxiety,

00:34:30.469 --> 00:34:35.389
her substance abuse issues. She died of a heroin

00:34:35.389 --> 00:34:39.880
overdose on October 4th, 1970 at 27. She was

00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:44.219
found at the Landmark Motor Hotel in L .A. Do

00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:46.860
you know what the difference between a motel

00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:49.559
and a hotel is? It's amenities, right? It'd be

00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:54.179
like continental breakfast and a pool and things.

00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:59.679
Did you know that a motel is a portmanteau? A

00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.619
what? Portmanteau. Do you not know what a portmanteau

00:35:02.619 --> 00:35:05.059
is? I've heard the word. I just don't know what

00:35:05.059 --> 00:35:06.639
it is. That's where you put two words together,

00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:09.730
mash them together, and make one word. It's a

00:35:09.730 --> 00:35:14.289
motor hotel? Motor hotel. Because a motel, you

00:35:14.289 --> 00:35:18.869
can drive up to your room. A hotel is a centralized

00:35:18.869 --> 00:35:21.969
building that you have to walk through a lobby

00:35:21.969 --> 00:35:24.929
to get to your room. Interesting. Okay. And so

00:35:24.929 --> 00:35:27.090
I think it's interesting that this is called

00:35:27.090 --> 00:35:29.909
the landmark motor hotel in LA because I guess

00:35:29.909 --> 00:35:32.150
this is before we started calling them motels.

00:35:32.530 --> 00:35:37.489
She was found with change in one hand and a new

00:35:37.489 --> 00:35:39.849
pack of cigarettes in the other. She just walked

00:35:39.849 --> 00:35:42.949
out and bought a pack of cigarettes and came

00:35:42.949 --> 00:35:45.969
back to her room and collapsed on her bed. And

00:35:45.969 --> 00:35:48.670
that is where she was found. Bottles and syringes

00:35:48.670 --> 00:35:51.949
were all over the room, but no drugs, supposedly.

00:35:52.469 --> 00:35:55.150
Interesting. All suspicious. She was found by

00:35:55.150 --> 00:36:00.150
her manager when she was late for a recording

00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:03.150
session. So I'm sure the manager did a little

00:36:03.150 --> 00:36:05.429
sprucing up before he called the authorities.

00:36:05.989 --> 00:36:09.269
Wouldn't. You also clean up the syringes and

00:36:09.269 --> 00:36:11.610
other paraphernalia if you're going to try to

00:36:11.610 --> 00:36:13.389
clean up the image by taking away the drugs.

00:36:14.090 --> 00:36:16.489
Wouldn't this be an all or nothing kind of situation?

00:36:17.010 --> 00:36:19.789
Maybe he didn't have enough time. Sure. Or maybe

00:36:19.789 --> 00:36:21.610
he was like, well, they're going to confiscate

00:36:21.610 --> 00:36:23.789
this if I don't grab it now. So the only thing

00:36:23.789 --> 00:36:25.489
he was interested in was drugs. I don't know.

00:36:25.849 --> 00:36:33.590
Yeah. Have you ever seen the Val Kilmer -led

00:36:33.590 --> 00:36:37.880
The Doors? I've seen bits of it, but I've never

00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:41.420
watched the whole movie. I've also, this is not

00:36:41.420 --> 00:36:44.440
relevant, but I've watched the family guy take

00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:48.340
on the doors. I've never seen it either, but

00:36:48.340 --> 00:36:51.900
I've heard that it's like the greatest biopic.

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:57.019
And also it started the trend of musical biopics.

00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.880
So maybe it deserves a little hate for that.

00:37:01.539 --> 00:37:04.699
I mean, yeah, no, that's fair. I don't think

00:37:04.699 --> 00:37:07.500
I've seen a well -executed biopic in a while.

00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.159
Granted, I haven't watched the two newer ones,

00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.360
Springsteen and Dylan. Better Man? Is that the

00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.800
monkey one? Yes, Better Man is the monkey one,

00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:17.400
and I will not be watching that, namely because

00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.559
I still have no idea who Robbie Williams is.

00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:29.760
I will say I confuse the Doors movie pretty frequently

00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.920
with The Dirt. Every time it's brought up, I

00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:35.400
know those are two vastly different movies, but

00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.500
I always think of them as one in the same. I

00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:41.420
haven't seen it. I haven't seen either. But to

00:37:41.420 --> 00:37:44.340
my understanding, there is no sorting of ants

00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:47.659
in The Door's biopic. I don't believe so. Versus

00:37:47.659 --> 00:37:51.920
The Dirt. I do recommend watching The Dirt. It

00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:56.480
is a pretty interesting movie. That whole crew,

00:37:56.719 --> 00:38:01.619
that whole motley crew of people. Just seem like

00:38:01.619 --> 00:38:06.900
very, very dirty. Keeping these. Sure. Physically

00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:10.920
and spiritually, you know? Sure. I think that

00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.860
most of the people that we have discussed or

00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:16.760
will discuss are a little spiritually dirty.

00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:22.840
I always get Led Zeppelin and The Door is Confused.

00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:27.039
Really? Yeah. Like, when I hear Stairway to Heaven,

00:38:27.099 --> 00:38:30.230
I know it's Led Zeppelin, but... I can never

00:38:30.230 --> 00:38:33.070
remember if Jim Morrison was in The Doors or

00:38:33.070 --> 00:38:36.050
Led Zeppelin. I think Led Zeppelin had a lot

00:38:36.050 --> 00:38:39.269
more staying power. And I think that it also

00:38:39.269 --> 00:38:43.489
had to do with like all the cool kids my age

00:38:43.489 --> 00:38:48.090
growing up either had a Doors poster or Led Zeppelin

00:38:48.090 --> 00:38:50.630
poster. And so they were pretty interchangeable.

00:38:50.809 --> 00:38:53.269
That's fair. Just the one picture that everyone

00:38:53.269 --> 00:38:55.730
has seen of Jim Morrison where he's just like

00:38:55.730 --> 00:39:00.710
super emaciated. But no, if you listen to The

00:39:00.710 --> 00:39:03.070
Doors and then you listen to Led Zeppelin, they're

00:39:03.070 --> 00:39:05.650
completely different sounds. The Doors are a

00:39:05.650 --> 00:39:10.710
lot more moody, more reserved. Sure. Stairway

00:39:10.710 --> 00:39:13.369
to Heaven is a fantastic song. It's a great song.

00:39:13.690 --> 00:39:17.389
So good that it's banned at Guitar Center. As

00:39:17.389 --> 00:39:21.570
it should be. Did you know that Jim Morrison

00:39:21.570 --> 00:39:26.969
was born in Melbourne? I did not. Florida. I...

00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:33.420
Should have waited for the end of that sentence.

00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:42.179
That's on me. And he studied film and literature,

00:39:42.260 --> 00:39:46.260
as every good poet does, before founding, co

00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:50.340
-founding The Doors in L .A. in 1965. Interesting.

00:39:50.539 --> 00:39:54.360
They achieved pretty, pretty rapid. They were

00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.610
noticed pretty early on. and their popularity

00:39:57.610 --> 00:40:02.590
rose rapidly, is what I meant to say, with Light

00:40:02.590 --> 00:40:08.250
My Fire, Break On Through, Riders on the Storm,

00:40:08.389 --> 00:40:10.889
which is a great song. I like Riders on the Storm.

00:40:11.309 --> 00:40:14.369
Those are all pretty great songs. It was a mix

00:40:14.369 --> 00:40:20.889
of rock, blues, and, of course, the psychedelic

00:40:20.889 --> 00:40:25.679
silliness of the late 60s, early 70s. Yeah. People

00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.860
Are Strange, I think, is my favorite song of

00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:30.820
theirs. That is the one I hear the most because

00:40:30.820 --> 00:40:35.800
every year around the end of September, we break

00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.699
out the Halloween music, Apple Music playlist,

00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:44.260
and that's one of them. That's interesting. I

00:40:44.260 --> 00:40:49.539
think it's been equated with enough movies, but

00:40:49.539 --> 00:40:51.519
that's probably why it has so much staying power

00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:56.050
in my brain. It's used in not... necessarily

00:40:56.050 --> 00:40:59.489
the Joker, but like Joker -esque movies. I feel

00:40:59.489 --> 00:41:04.050
like it gets used in soundtracks a lot. Yes.

00:41:04.750 --> 00:41:10.250
Yeah. I agree with that. Morrison, so he formed

00:41:10.250 --> 00:41:13.130
the Doors in 1965. Like I said, they had a pretty

00:41:13.130 --> 00:41:19.090
meteoric rise early on. And boy, did it go to

00:41:19.090 --> 00:41:24.590
his head. I blame the leather pants. Yeah. Nice.

00:41:25.130 --> 00:41:27.190
Probably has something to do with it. You have

00:41:27.190 --> 00:41:31.550
to feel a certain way about yourself to rock

00:41:31.550 --> 00:41:34.150
Leather Pants in any kind of seriousness, I think.

00:41:34.429 --> 00:41:37.929
You won't see me on the town in Leather Pants.

00:41:39.750 --> 00:41:42.409
All the blood flow had to go somewhere, and so

00:41:42.409 --> 00:41:46.610
he got a big head. He was no stranger to legal

00:41:46.610 --> 00:41:52.389
issues. They never are. In 1969, he picked up

00:41:52.389 --> 00:41:56.329
a obscenity charge in... What does that look

00:41:56.329 --> 00:41:59.690
like? What does, what'd he do? He was arrested

00:41:59.690 --> 00:42:02.809
and charged with indecent exposure. Okay. Lewd

00:42:02.809 --> 00:42:05.710
and lascivious behavior. Can you be charged with

00:42:05.710 --> 00:42:07.909
just lewd behavior or just lascivious behavior?

00:42:08.210 --> 00:42:10.730
Or does it have to be lewd and lascivious? I

00:42:10.730 --> 00:42:13.010
don't know what lascivious means either. Nah,

00:42:13.030 --> 00:42:16.050
I don't either. Profanity and public drunkenness

00:42:16.050 --> 00:42:22.630
following a chaotic concert in Miami at a place

00:42:22.630 --> 00:42:27.260
that was torn down. In 2013, piece of rock history,

00:42:27.340 --> 00:42:29.599
just rubble. Now it's probably like the housing

00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.679
development. Very expensive apartments. He was

00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:35.500
later convicted of indecent exposure and profanity,

00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:37.840
acquitted on the other charges, sentenced to

00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:41.300
jail and fines. What exactly, what would profanity

00:42:41.300 --> 00:42:43.679
be in this situation? I assume it's not just

00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.079
cursing, but if it's different from indecent

00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.480
exposure, like what? Well, one story I read was

00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:54.559
that he was antagonizing the crowd. antagonizing

00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:56.099
the police that were there to keep everything

00:42:56.099 --> 00:42:59.280
in line. There was no barrier between the band

00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.960
and the audience. Oh, I got it right here. The

00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:04.800
doors played at the Dinner Key Auditorium in

00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.559
Miami. Morrison arrived intoxicated. The venue

00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.420
was overcrowded. There was no physical barrier

00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:12.179
between the band and the audience. Morrison taunted

00:43:12.179 --> 00:43:15.159
the crowd and police, used profanity, and encouraged

00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:18.199
disorder. Some witnesses claimed he exposed himself

00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.579
on stage, though this was never conclusively

00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:23.469
proven and no photographs exist. I would imagine

00:43:23.469 --> 00:43:26.010
that means it didn't happen if it's not conclusively

00:43:26.010 --> 00:43:28.530
proven how many people were at that show. Are

00:43:28.530 --> 00:43:30.610
you saying Pixar didn't happen? I am, actually,

00:43:30.690 --> 00:43:34.489
yeah. So I would assume in this context, profanity

00:43:34.489 --> 00:43:39.869
would probably be things aimed towards the police

00:43:39.869 --> 00:43:42.809
officers that were there, security. I think you

00:43:42.809 --> 00:43:47.570
can probably get away with anything towards them

00:43:47.570 --> 00:43:52.349
being framed as profane. Yeah. Whether it is

00:43:52.349 --> 00:43:54.849
actual curse words or not. Fair enough. It was

00:43:54.849 --> 00:43:59.690
a highly publicized trial in 1970. He was acquitted

00:43:59.690 --> 00:44:02.510
of, as I said before, he was acquitted of indecent

00:44:02.510 --> 00:44:04.889
exposure and lewd behavior, but convicted of

00:44:04.889 --> 00:44:07.030
profanity and public drunkenness. Sentenced to

00:44:07.030 --> 00:44:11.130
six months in jail and a $500 fine. Though, he

00:44:11.130 --> 00:44:14.110
was free on bond while appealing the conviction.

00:44:15.130 --> 00:44:18.809
And while he was waiting on that appeal, he did

00:44:18.809 --> 00:44:22.010
something that you are not supposed to do while

00:44:22.010 --> 00:44:26.210
you're on bond and moved to Paris. While in Paris

00:44:26.210 --> 00:44:32.550
on July 3rd, 1971. And if you'll remember, do

00:44:32.550 --> 00:44:35.809
you remember two years prior what happened on

00:44:35.809 --> 00:44:39.610
that exact day? No. When Brian Jones was found

00:44:39.610 --> 00:44:43.349
face down in his pool, Jim Morrison was found

00:44:43.349 --> 00:44:49.519
dead. in his bathtub in Paris, officially attributed

00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:53.159
to heart failure, but a lot of drugs in the system,

00:44:53.340 --> 00:44:57.059
so it was heart failure due to rampant drug use.

00:44:57.260 --> 00:45:00.119
So he never faced any jail time. I don't even

00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.679
know if he paid the $500 fine because he was

00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:06.400
in the middle of appealing it. But there's a

00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:09.659
silver lining to this story. In 2010, Florida

00:45:09.659 --> 00:45:13.940
Governor Charlie Crist posthumously pardoned

00:45:13.940 --> 00:45:16.699
Morrison for the Miami convictions. Wouldn't

00:45:16.699 --> 00:45:19.940
the statute of limitations have super passed

00:45:19.940 --> 00:45:24.139
since then? It had been already 40 years. Yeah,

00:45:24.139 --> 00:45:27.739
but then, like, these are layup political points.

00:45:28.460 --> 00:45:31.699
I mean, I guess. Hey, you love the doors? Well,

00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:34.099
guess what I'm going to do. I'm going to pardon

00:45:34.099 --> 00:45:36.199
this dead man from ever having to be punished.

00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.960
Protect the life of this dead man. Double down.

00:45:41.500 --> 00:45:47.780
It was offensive what happened here. Oh, if he

00:45:47.780 --> 00:45:49.880
ever comes back, I swear he's going to double

00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.500
prison. He's going to pay a thousand dollar fine.

00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.639
But I mean, throughout his life, he was, he caught

00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.500
the ire of the local law enforcement. He was

00:45:59.500 --> 00:46:02.039
always up to something. A bunch of disorderly

00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.920
conduct on stage. He was actually arrested multiple

00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.760
times for that. Public drunkenness, disruptive

00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.760
behavior. He had an incident in 1969 with a flight

00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:12.679
attendant where he was charged with assault and

00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:17.239
public drunkenness on a flight. He got charged

00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.760
with contempt of court. And this one, he did

00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.260
actually get hauled away for a little bit because

00:46:23.260 --> 00:46:25.300
he was mocking the judge during the court appearance.

00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.440
That is some Jim Morrison experience kind of

00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:34.579
ego. Just a whole list of bad decisions and not

00:46:34.579 --> 00:46:38.199
the best posturing for. for your band. And I

00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:40.900
think that that's probably why Led Zeppelin,

00:46:41.019 --> 00:46:43.699
because I mean, again, they're completely interchangeable

00:46:43.699 --> 00:46:45.880
for me. I know their sound's different, but if

00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.079
you just say Led Zeppelin and The Doors, it's

00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:50.699
just potato patata. But Led Zeppelin had a lot

00:46:50.699 --> 00:46:52.820
more saying power because of they didn't have

00:46:52.820 --> 00:46:56.059
this nonsense going on in the background their

00:46:56.059 --> 00:47:00.059
entire run. Sure. I don't know that I know any

00:47:00.059 --> 00:47:02.820
of the individual members of Led Zeppelin, so

00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:05.460
I think that's probably a, none of them had that.

00:47:05.500 --> 00:47:08.829
I think, John? Paul Jones is from Led Zeppelin.

00:47:09.710 --> 00:47:11.929
But like, I don't know anything that any of them

00:47:11.929 --> 00:47:14.590
have done individually. Robert Plant, Jimmy Page,

00:47:14.829 --> 00:47:17.949
John Bonham, John Paul Jones. If I had heard

00:47:17.949 --> 00:47:21.090
the names, if I had heard the names, then I would

00:47:21.090 --> 00:47:23.809
be like, oh yeah, Led Zeppelin. Yeah. But just

00:47:23.809 --> 00:47:27.230
pulling it out of my keister, I wouldn't be able

00:47:27.230 --> 00:47:32.070
to get it. All right. Ready to move on to one

00:47:32.070 --> 00:47:36.159
that saddens me the most. Let's hear it. Sammy

00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:43.219
Winehouse? Anton Yelchin? No. No. It is Sir Kurt

00:47:43.219 --> 00:47:50.099
Cobain. What is your experience with Nirvana?

00:47:51.139 --> 00:47:55.019
Have you discovered Nirvana? As a concept, I

00:47:55.019 --> 00:47:58.880
have no experience with Nirvana. As a band, I

00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:03.019
have listened to a great deal of Nirvana. I also

00:48:03.019 --> 00:48:05.900
learned how to play it. Not really, but on Rock

00:48:05.900 --> 00:48:10.139
Band, Guitar Hero. Is that my doing? Or would

00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:12.820
you have discovered it on your own? Or did I

00:48:12.820 --> 00:48:15.719
just accelerate? I think the last one. I think,

00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:22.420
in part, some of my experience with not necessarily

00:48:22.420 --> 00:48:25.300
just Nirvana, but rock music in general started

00:48:25.300 --> 00:48:27.699
out with the games Rock Band and Guitar Hero.

00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:32.119
And then I actually started listening to a lot

00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:34.789
of that stuff. Outside of the context of those

00:48:34.789 --> 00:48:37.889
games. I do think, though, that your influence

00:48:37.889 --> 00:48:42.929
with Nirvana was definitely a factor there. I

00:48:42.929 --> 00:48:46.750
went through a huge Nirvana phase. So much so

00:48:46.750 --> 00:48:51.789
that I had a gigantic Kurt Cobain poster in my

00:48:51.789 --> 00:48:57.570
bedroom growing up. It was later lost to time.

00:48:58.050 --> 00:49:07.860
And then three... Years ago, for Christmas, Emily

00:49:07.860 --> 00:49:12.280
found me an exact copy of that poster. And it

00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.739
is back on my bedroom wall. Is this the Willy

00:49:15.739 --> 00:49:19.340
Wonka? Yeah, it's the one where he looks like

00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:23.300
the Johnny Depp Willy Wonka. I like those steampunk

00:49:23.300 --> 00:49:28.159
goggles. It's pretty silly in them. But no, I

00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:35.099
love Nirvana. I don't know if you can call Nirvana

00:49:35.099 --> 00:49:40.340
comforting, but it's very nostalgic for me. Just

00:49:40.340 --> 00:49:45.239
listening to the music and then remembering back

00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:48.780
to when I first heard it or when I was really

00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:53.940
heavy into Nirvana and just all the experiences

00:49:53.940 --> 00:50:00.219
I had then. And it also helps that I'm... fan

00:50:00.219 --> 00:50:03.320
of conspiracy theories doesn't mean i believe

00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:07.699
all of them but i do think that uh some some

00:50:07.699 --> 00:50:11.719
people that come up with these these conspiracy

00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:15.940
theories uh do make some some decent points and

00:50:15.940 --> 00:50:19.139
if you know anything about kurt cobain just the

00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:22.679
passing knowledge of him you know that his death

00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:27.900
in 1994 was suspicious yeah to say the least

00:50:28.510 --> 00:50:34.789
Why was it suspicious? Yeah, well, for one, he

00:50:34.789 --> 00:50:39.789
was at the top of his game. Like, he was... And,

00:50:39.909 --> 00:50:44.590
I mean, that may be a mark in the column of making

00:50:44.590 --> 00:50:47.630
it more believable because, like, the pressure

00:50:47.630 --> 00:50:52.750
was at its peak at that point. Yeah. But also,

00:50:52.849 --> 00:50:59.599
he was with Courtney Love, who... is an interesting

00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:04.539
human being. She has had her own issues with

00:51:04.539 --> 00:51:09.300
drugs and alcohol, but she's still around to

00:51:09.300 --> 00:51:15.980
tell the ever -changing tale. And a lot of the

00:51:15.980 --> 00:51:21.920
circumstances surrounding his death and how he

00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.619
was found, where he was found, what he was found,

00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:29.639
what was around him. It's just, it's been called

00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:34.199
into question a lot. Do I think that there is

00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:38.800
a conspiracy? Probably not. Would it be, could

00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:43.179
I be persuaded if enough evidence came forward

00:51:43.179 --> 00:51:46.139
that there was a conspiracy? Yeah, probably.

00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:51.420
I would entertain it. Sure. But he was born in

00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:54.239
Aberdeen, Washington, which, as far as I know,

00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.019
is a suburb of Seattle. Of course, like everyone

00:51:57.019 --> 00:51:58.300
else on this list, had a troubled childhood.

00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:03.380
Parents split when he was young. And that had

00:52:03.380 --> 00:52:07.679
a huge influence on who he became. One of the

00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:12.780
founding -ish members of the grunge scene out

00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:15.599
of Seattle. Same kind of stuff that brought you

00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:20.239
Stone Temple Pilots. Why am I blanking, man?

00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:26.990
We just talked about him. Chris Fornell. Soundgarden?

00:52:26.990 --> 00:52:30.389
Good Lord, Soundgarden. Pearl Jam? Pearl Jam.

00:52:31.289 --> 00:52:36.190
All those bands that came out of Seattle. Nirvana

00:52:36.190 --> 00:52:42.389
and Kurt Cobain were recognized as the founders

00:52:42.389 --> 00:52:48.090
of SE. Yeah. 1991, Nevermind came out. I'm sure

00:52:48.090 --> 00:52:50.050
if you don't know anything about the album, you

00:52:50.050 --> 00:52:52.550
know about the album cover. With the baby in

00:52:52.550 --> 00:52:55.849
the pool. With the dollar on them, or trying

00:52:55.849 --> 00:52:59.190
to catch the dollar that's floating in front

00:52:59.190 --> 00:53:01.909
of them. Did you know that that baby grew up

00:53:01.909 --> 00:53:09.170
to be a man and tried to sue the estate? For

00:53:09.170 --> 00:53:13.409
putting his... For putting his wee -wee on the

00:53:13.409 --> 00:53:17.849
cover without his consent? I mean, I would imagine

00:53:17.849 --> 00:53:21.329
they got consent from his parents. Uh -huh. I

00:53:21.329 --> 00:53:24.400
would love to have that. for that to be my legacy,

00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:27.579
my little baby wiener, on one of the most famous

00:53:27.579 --> 00:53:31.440
albums of all time. But what propelled Nevermind

00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:35.800
to be the powerhouse that it was was the song

00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:40.420
Smells Like Teen Spirit, which was not expected

00:53:40.420 --> 00:53:46.699
to be the powerhouse that it was. The title comes

00:53:46.699 --> 00:53:50.960
from a brand of girls' deodorant. Did you know

00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.980
that? Yeah, I did. I used to use Teen Spirit

00:53:53.980 --> 00:53:57.059
once upon a time. Oh, the dollar is on a hook.

00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.059
I couldn't remember if it was just floating or

00:54:00.059 --> 00:54:03.539
if it was on a hook. Yeah. But no, looking at

00:54:03.539 --> 00:54:11.420
this, the baby's penis is very prominent on this

00:54:11.420 --> 00:54:14.659
album cover. Been a while since I've had scenes

00:54:14.659 --> 00:54:18.780
covered. I mean, it's not like this dude had

00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:21.650
to claim that it was him. Either you're proud

00:54:21.650 --> 00:54:25.610
that you're on the Nirvana cover or you can just

00:54:25.610 --> 00:54:28.510
not claim that. Why is that baby's wiener on

00:54:28.510 --> 00:54:31.829
there? I have no clue who that is. I swear it

00:54:31.829 --> 00:54:36.309
got bigger. Anyways, this album, Nevermind, has

00:54:36.309 --> 00:54:41.309
Smells Like Teen Spirit, In Bloom, which was

00:54:41.309 --> 00:54:45.050
a big rock band song. Yeah. Come As You Are,

00:54:45.369 --> 00:54:50.619
Lithium, Polly. Which I don't know if that's

00:54:50.619 --> 00:54:53.579
just a me thing or if that's a song that other

00:54:53.579 --> 00:54:58.960
people know. But, I mean, just those first, and

00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:05.940
Breed, those first six songs were huge. And I

00:55:05.940 --> 00:55:10.139
don't think that they were prepared for that

00:55:10.139 --> 00:55:15.000
level of stardom that fast. Sure, yeah. Because

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:19.559
it was Kurt. It was... Chris Novoselic, and it

00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:25.519
was Dave Grohl. I'm having a rough go at it today.

00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:32.239
Do you think that Kurt, how do you think Kurt

00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:37.880
would feel about the Foo Fighters today? I mean,

00:55:37.900 --> 00:55:42.800
I don't know a ton about their relationships,

00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:49.210
I guess, whenever Kurt was still around. I think

00:55:49.210 --> 00:55:52.289
the Foo Fighters is a logical extension of Nirvana

00:55:52.289 --> 00:55:55.690
without Kurt. I think Dave Grohl maintained a

00:55:55.690 --> 00:56:00.989
lot of that same energy as Nirvana had. Just

00:56:00.989 --> 00:56:11.710
a little less sad. And more intelligible lyrics.

00:56:12.909 --> 00:56:19.239
Yeah. We saw Weird Al last year over the summer.

00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:27.239
And he did Smells Like Nirvana. Yeah. He's going

00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:30.559
back around. I know. He's going to be in Austin

00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:35.340
in August, I believe, next year. I'd go again.

00:56:36.820 --> 00:56:40.219
I'll definitely be going this time. And Emily

00:56:40.219 --> 00:56:45.940
did not know that he dressed up as Kurt Cobain

00:56:45.940 --> 00:56:48.280
from the music video. And that is her favorite

00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:50.559
part from that concert was when he did Smells

00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:56.000
Like Nirvana. Hmm. Okay. Kurt was a big fan of

00:56:56.000 --> 00:57:01.099
Alfred's version of his song. Because I don't

00:57:01.099 --> 00:57:04.980
know if you know this. You probably know this,

00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:08.360
but other people probably don't. That in order

00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:10.699
for Weird Al to do a parody, he doesn't have

00:57:10.699 --> 00:57:14.480
to have the permission of the artist. But as

00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.480
a courtesy, as a professional courtesy, he makes

00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:20.260
sure that he gets their approval before he moves

00:57:20.260 --> 00:57:25.219
forward on anything. And he reached out to Kurt

00:57:25.219 --> 00:57:28.920
and told him about his idea for Smells Like Nirvana,

00:57:29.019 --> 00:57:31.500
and he loved it. I don't think he's been turned

00:57:31.500 --> 00:57:34.760
down for too many things. I do know that he was

00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:39.239
turned down by Michael Jackson for, I think it

00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:41.719
was Man in the Mirror. Because the song was too

00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:43.599
serious to be parodied. Because it's such a serious

00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.619
subject. There was one more. I think Prince maybe

00:57:46.619 --> 00:57:49.820
said no? No. I don't think it was made in the

00:57:49.820 --> 00:57:51.579
mirror. I think it was black or white. Black

00:57:51.579 --> 00:57:53.519
or white, yeah. And he was going to do Snack

00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:56.239
All Night. Another food song, yeah. Yeah. And

00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:58.659
then he had reservations about it because he

00:57:58.659 --> 00:58:01.679
didn't want to keep doing food songs. And Michael

00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:05.659
had reservations about it because he said it

00:58:05.659 --> 00:58:08.760
was such a serious subject matter that he didn't

00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.150
want that. Yeah. But he still does, or he did

00:58:13.150 --> 00:58:15.730
at the time, he would do live versions of Snack

00:58:15.730 --> 00:58:19.809
All Night. And you can get some very choppy VHS

00:58:19.809 --> 00:58:24.469
level recordings of him doing Snack All Night.

00:58:24.710 --> 00:58:29.289
I do think it's very funny that Weird Al made

00:58:29.289 --> 00:58:33.550
essentially like several albums worth of children's

00:58:33.550 --> 00:58:36.139
entertainment. Because if you think about it,

00:58:36.179 --> 00:58:38.820
he's not that distinct from the Wiggles. But

00:58:38.820 --> 00:58:41.639
the fact that he has a song called Eat It. He's

00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:45.719
got Another One Rides the Bus. I Love Rocky Road.

00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:50.800
Those two are our favorites in our house. Eat

00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:54.820
It and Another One Rides the Bus. Another One

00:58:54.820 --> 00:58:58.079
Rides the Bus and I Love Rocky Road. It's not

00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.599
one of my favorites. I don't think any of my

00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:04.150
favorites are his food ones. If you've seen Weird,

00:59:04.309 --> 00:59:07.130
the Al Yankovic story. I have. Fantastic movie.

00:59:07.349 --> 00:59:12.110
Whenever little Alfred tells his dad that he

00:59:12.110 --> 00:59:17.190
wants to make music, but not make his own music.

00:59:17.250 --> 00:59:20.090
He wants to take popular music and change the

00:59:20.090 --> 00:59:24.769
lyrics. And his dad asks him for an example of

00:59:24.769 --> 00:59:27.070
what he's talking about. And he just goes into

00:59:27.070 --> 00:59:38.449
amazing, great. How sweet the juice. And that

00:59:38.449 --> 00:59:41.849
gets a lot of play at our house, too. Yeah. I

00:59:41.849 --> 00:59:44.489
know this is a heavier episode, but if you haven't

00:59:44.489 --> 00:59:47.449
seen We Are the Al Yankovic story, it's on Roku

00:59:47.449 --> 00:59:51.130
TV, and it is worth the free trial. Or just buy

00:59:51.130 --> 00:59:55.469
it. It's worth buying. It's worth buying. I bought

00:59:55.469 --> 00:59:59.579
it. I own it. I'm the owner of... Weird, the

00:59:59.579 --> 01:00:01.679
Al Yankovic story starring Daniel Radcliffe.

01:00:02.059 --> 01:00:05.619
Yeah. And an unbelievable amount of cameos. Wow.

01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.320
This is the first time I've seen Demetri Martin

01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:12.380
in years. Evan Rachel Wood as Madonna. Rainn

01:00:12.380 --> 01:00:16.380
Wilson as Dr. Demento. Rainn Wilson, yeah. It's

01:00:16.380 --> 01:00:21.000
beautiful. And one of my favorite biopics. Biopics.

01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:28.860
Yeah. Biopics. We saw the man come on. Annie

01:00:28.860 --> 01:00:33.059
Huzel, Nevermind was followed up by In Utero.

01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:38.980
In Utero, if you'll recall, has the song Heart

01:00:38.980 --> 01:00:43.000
-Shaped Box, which was a biggie. All Apologies,

01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:52.440
another big one. Dumb, a classic. And also, Grape

01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:58.309
Me, which is a song that I like to play. When

01:00:58.309 --> 01:01:01.949
I feel like I'm in a group of people that are

01:01:01.949 --> 01:01:06.590
kind of like zoned out. Sure. And just see how

01:01:06.590 --> 01:01:09.710
long it takes for them to notice. I used to do

01:01:09.710 --> 01:01:14.389
the same thing in the car with mother. I remember

01:01:14.389 --> 01:01:16.869
distinctly one time she was taking me and two

01:01:16.869 --> 01:01:24.349
friends to Six Flags. And I had a burnt CD and

01:01:24.349 --> 01:01:30.150
played Crazy Bitch. until she caught on to what

01:01:30.150 --> 01:01:34.349
was playing. Little Buck Cherry? To all of our

01:01:34.349 --> 01:01:38.530
surprise, never once caught on to what was going

01:01:38.530 --> 01:01:43.929
into her ear holes. And I was, I don't know,

01:01:44.050 --> 01:01:51.630
13, 14 at the time. Yeah. So I should not have

01:01:51.630 --> 01:01:59.090
been listening to such filth. Hey, the adults

01:01:59.090 --> 01:02:02.329
don't care. Why should I care, you know? Sure.

01:02:02.429 --> 01:02:04.929
This is one of those instances of just let kids

01:02:04.929 --> 01:02:09.130
be kids. Important moments. I think one of the

01:02:09.130 --> 01:02:17.130
most remembered moments was Nirvana on MTV Unplugged.

01:02:18.130 --> 01:02:23.030
Is that the bananas? What? There was a performance

01:02:23.030 --> 01:02:26.070
where they weren't allowed to actually, like,

01:02:26.250 --> 01:02:28.650
play because they wanted it to be this like polished

01:02:28.650 --> 01:02:34.429
sound and so like Kurt Cobain is singing into

01:02:34.429 --> 01:02:38.590
a banana half the time or he's like he's not

01:02:38.590 --> 01:02:41.670
actually playing the guitar he's just like every

01:02:41.670 --> 01:02:45.829
third beat he'll just strum nothing now that

01:02:45.829 --> 01:02:51.610
was either that was either like SNL or like a

01:02:51.610 --> 01:02:59.579
late night appearance It was BBC Live. Yeah.

01:03:01.179 --> 01:03:05.179
Yeah, that wasn't unplugged. Unplugged, you can

01:03:05.179 --> 01:03:11.039
get the whole album on anywhere you stream your

01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:15.679
music. And it's acoustic versions of all their

01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:23.710
songs. And it is fantastic. I mean, I say that

01:03:23.710 --> 01:03:27.010
that's one thing that I will miss about MTV,

01:03:27.329 --> 01:03:30.309
but that hasn't been what MTV has been about

01:03:30.309 --> 01:03:34.190
in like, I don't know, 15 years. It's been a

01:03:34.190 --> 01:03:40.289
decade of ridiculousness. Yeah. So, I guess 15

01:03:40.289 --> 01:03:43.550
years ago, I should have said, I'll miss this

01:03:43.550 --> 01:03:51.750
part of MTV. Yeah. But Old Curdy Boy was... Found

01:03:51.750 --> 01:03:54.510
in a greenhouse above his garage, I believe,

01:03:54.769 --> 01:03:58.969
at his home in Seattle. He had just escaped from

01:03:58.969 --> 01:04:02.269
rehab by literally jumping over the wall. He

01:04:02.269 --> 01:04:10.550
had a shotgun near him. He had a box that contained

01:04:10.550 --> 01:04:16.449
all of his heroin supplies. And he had a note

01:04:16.449 --> 01:04:22.760
next to him that... pretty much just kind of

01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:25.019
alluded but then kind of not and then it takes

01:04:25.019 --> 01:04:28.380
a turn halfway through to where it looks like

01:04:28.380 --> 01:04:31.820
it's the beginning of it is your standard like

01:04:31.820 --> 01:04:36.039
your standard note that you would find in such

01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:40.460
a situation but then the second half looks like

01:04:40.460 --> 01:04:44.719
it is done by someone else's hand and doesn't

01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:47.179
really match the first part so that was one of

01:04:47.179 --> 01:04:51.659
the big things that drove the conspiracy theories

01:04:51.659 --> 01:04:56.039
that, hey, something happened. There were levels

01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:59.360
of heroin so high in his system that it should

01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:04.039
have incapacitated him again. I mean, he had

01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:09.880
a huge tolerance to it. So what would have incapacitated

01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:12.820
him probably would have killed somebody else.

01:05:13.659 --> 01:05:17.099
That's another point that conspiracy theorists

01:05:17.099 --> 01:05:20.670
like to point to. There were no fingerprints

01:05:20.670 --> 01:05:23.849
found on the gun, the shells, or the pen that

01:05:23.849 --> 01:05:25.610
was used to write the letter, which was right

01:05:25.610 --> 01:05:31.369
next to the letter. The investigators that opened

01:05:31.369 --> 01:05:33.650
it up, because, I mean, it was a cold case. I

01:05:33.650 --> 01:05:36.690
still don't think that they've officially closed

01:05:36.690 --> 01:05:41.469
the case as of now. But what the investigator

01:05:41.469 --> 01:05:43.730
that was going back over it said, actually, that's

01:05:43.730 --> 01:05:49.059
pretty standard. you don't find fingerprints

01:05:49.059 --> 01:05:51.960
on that kind of stuff, which I think is, I don't

01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:54.440
know if I believe that. That doesn't make any

01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:58.440
sense. Especially on the pin. And he wasn't found

01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.639
with gloves or anything on. I would understand

01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:03.599
the pin not having fingerprints a lot more than

01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.900
the gun. Like, theoretically, you could have

01:06:05.900 --> 01:06:09.320
wiped the pin off. I don't think you get to have

01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:12.079
a moment to wipe off the gun. Not with a shotgun.

01:06:12.659 --> 01:06:18.079
That was another, another. detail that people

01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:20.260
were suspicious about was the fact that he used

01:06:20.260 --> 01:06:24.800
a shotgun and it was a it was a long barrel shotgun

01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:28.960
he was sitting cross -legged on the floor so

01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:34.300
just the the way it was all displayed was very

01:06:34.300 --> 01:06:39.559
suspicious and that's why i am not fully convinced

01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:44.130
that what what the official story is, is what

01:06:44.130 --> 01:06:49.309
actually happened. And then there's everything

01:06:49.309 --> 01:06:53.150
with Courtney Love, his wife, mother to their

01:06:53.150 --> 01:06:56.630
daughter, Frances Bean Cobain, just her going

01:06:56.630 --> 01:07:01.670
off the rails. The suspected motive was that

01:07:01.670 --> 01:07:08.170
if this is all alleged, this is the alleged motive,

01:07:08.309 --> 01:07:12.460
is that Eventually, the drugs were going to kill

01:07:12.460 --> 01:07:16.139
him anyways. If he died on top, that would be

01:07:16.139 --> 01:07:21.000
more profitable for the estate moving forward

01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:25.199
than if there had been a decline and then he

01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:31.099
died. Fellow bandmates Chris Novoselic and Dave

01:07:31.099 --> 01:07:34.679
Grohl have just tried to put this behind them.

01:07:35.059 --> 01:07:40.050
Courtney Glove brings it up a lot. It's kind

01:07:40.050 --> 01:07:43.469
of the only thing that she is known for anymore.

01:07:43.769 --> 01:07:49.070
She had her own band, Hole, which is a swing.

01:07:49.469 --> 01:07:52.949
I didn't know she was a part of that. You know

01:07:52.949 --> 01:07:54.530
she was part of Hole? I didn't know she was a

01:07:54.530 --> 01:07:57.409
part of Hole. But again, what she's known for

01:07:57.409 --> 01:08:01.590
is not her own stuff. It's Kurt Cobain and being

01:08:01.590 --> 01:08:04.489
tied to this suspicious, quote unquote, suspicious

01:08:04.489 --> 01:08:11.079
suicide. What? What? But I have one more piece

01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:17.420
of Kurt Cobain lore that may flip everything

01:08:17.420 --> 01:08:20.560
on its head. What you got? Eldon Hoke, who is

01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:24.539
a fellow Seattle musician, claimed in a documentary

01:08:24.539 --> 01:08:27.819
called Kort and Kourtney. Good Lord. Kort and

01:08:27.819 --> 01:08:32.039
Kourtney. I'm having a rough go, guys. Kort and

01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:36.100
Kourtney, that Kourtney Love offered him money

01:08:36.100 --> 01:08:41.069
to kill Kort. Okay. He passed a lie detector

01:08:41.069 --> 01:08:44.710
test, but most still doubted his story. Eight

01:08:44.710 --> 01:08:51.010
days after he filmed this for the documentary,

01:08:51.109 --> 01:08:54.430
saying that Courtney Love tried to hire him as

01:08:54.430 --> 01:09:01.909
a hitman to take out Kurt, he was found without

01:09:01.909 --> 01:09:11.000
his head on some train tracks. Oh, my God. Coincidence?

01:09:14.420 --> 01:09:17.239
Yes, most likely a coincidence. He had an extremely

01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:22.899
high blood alcohol content in his blood. He tried

01:09:22.899 --> 01:09:25.479
to race a freight train going 60 miles per hour,

01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:29.420
and his death was ruled as misadventure. And

01:09:29.420 --> 01:09:33.800
he got hit so hard that his head literally just

01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:38.060
was removed. It was unburdened. By the rest of

01:09:38.060 --> 01:09:41.279
his body. I know this isn't the point of that

01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:44.000
story, but I didn't know that your death could

01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.260
be ruled misadventure. And I know how I want

01:09:46.260 --> 01:09:49.619
to go out now. By misadventure? I want to go

01:09:49.619 --> 01:09:52.300
out by misadventure. I don't know what that entails,

01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:55.279
but that's how I would like to go. All right.

01:09:55.720 --> 01:10:01.439
Last one. Number six. Just most recent, not most

01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:04.979
impactful. Amy Winehouse. I feel like you probably

01:10:04.979 --> 01:10:08.609
know more about her than I do. I don't know a

01:10:08.609 --> 01:10:12.109
ton about Amy Winehouse. I've listened to her

01:10:12.109 --> 01:10:17.670
music a good amount. I love her voice. The, I

01:10:17.670 --> 01:10:21.729
think, notable thing about her legacy was how

01:10:21.729 --> 01:10:25.210
much her father specifically has been trying

01:10:25.210 --> 01:10:29.670
to milk her story for all it's worth. It feels

01:10:29.670 --> 01:10:35.109
like the older version of the child stars. where

01:10:35.109 --> 01:10:37.050
the adult is just trying to, like, doesn't really

01:10:37.050 --> 01:10:39.369
care what abuse is being done to their children.

01:10:39.409 --> 01:10:41.750
It's just for the sake of them making money.

01:10:42.489 --> 01:10:47.710
The most recent biopic they did for her was,

01:10:47.710 --> 01:10:52.229
at best, pretty disappointing. Wasn't it, like,

01:10:52.229 --> 01:10:54.810
real exploitative? It was really exploitative,

01:10:54.869 --> 01:10:56.949
and they picked someone who couldn't match her

01:10:56.949 --> 01:10:59.890
voice, which is the whole thing for Amy Winehouse,

01:10:59.930 --> 01:11:01.729
was that she had this incredibly distinctive

01:11:01.729 --> 01:11:06.880
voice. And it's just, it misses the mark so much

01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:09.399
on so many different fronts that you can tell,

01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:11.899
especially because this is like the third biopic

01:11:11.899 --> 01:11:15.380
they've made for her. And she only, at the end

01:11:15.380 --> 01:11:18.000
of the day, made it to 27 years old. You can

01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.000
only live so much in that time. You don't have

01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:25.180
three movies worth of story to tell. Who came

01:11:25.180 --> 01:11:28.500
first, Amy Winehouse or Kat Von D? Winehouse.

01:11:30.670 --> 01:11:34.210
The shark cat eyes. The giant eyeliner. Yeah,

01:11:34.229 --> 01:11:38.890
her debut album, Frank, which I thought was maybe

01:11:38.890 --> 01:11:43.569
her dad's name, but it is not because her dad's

01:11:43.569 --> 01:11:48.689
name is Mitchell Whitehouse, mother Janice Winans.

01:11:49.449 --> 01:11:54.210
So he's a taxi driver. Mother's a pharmacist.

01:11:56.189 --> 01:12:01.079
So you think that had anything to do with. Her

01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:04.920
proclivities? Her mother being a pharmacist?

01:12:05.260 --> 01:12:10.180
I could very much see that. She rose to global

01:12:10.180 --> 01:12:14.600
fame in 2006 with Back to Black. Great song.

01:12:14.619 --> 01:12:22.859
Featuring, ironically, the song Rehab and You

01:12:22.859 --> 01:12:27.439
Know I'm No Good. Yeah. She earned multiple Grammy

01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:34.920
Awards. But had a hard time dealing with the

01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:40.100
music industry and the fame and everything that

01:12:40.100 --> 01:12:42.739
came with all the success that she was having.

01:12:43.020 --> 01:12:48.199
Yeah. She was constantly on the tabloids, like,

01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:50.979
looking strung out. So they just picked the worst

01:12:50.979 --> 01:12:54.699
picture possible of her and used it as a story

01:12:54.699 --> 01:12:57.899
to run with. And that's got to take a huge...

01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:01.460
toll on your psyche and just on your your day

01:13:01.460 --> 01:13:06.119
-to -day life yeah it was she's quoted at one

01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:08.399
point as saying if i could go back and do it

01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:12.680
again if i had the ability to i think walk down

01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:14.840
the street without being hassled i wouldn't or

01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:18.119
i would take it if i could i would give it back

01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:20.899
just to walk down the street with no hassle yeah

01:13:20.899 --> 01:13:23.840
or the last words that she said to her bodyguard

01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:26.399
which is probably a bigger conversation about

01:13:27.100 --> 01:13:31.399
what we see celebrity as yeah how much they truly

01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:36.600
cease to be people yeah i mean it's it's a trade

01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:41.399
-off um you have to be able to weather that and

01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:44.260
a lot of a lot of people can't a lot of people

01:13:44.260 --> 01:13:47.000
can't eventually but you have to be able to weather

01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:49.960
that till you get to that point to where you

01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:54.279
can handle those kind of things and that kind

01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:58.609
of popularity, whatever you call it. It is pretty

01:13:58.609 --> 01:14:01.729
sickening, though, that we live in a society

01:14:01.729 --> 01:14:03.630
where we can create those kind of parasocial

01:14:03.630 --> 01:14:06.449
relationships where we create these unhealthy

01:14:06.449 --> 01:14:08.270
attachments to people who don't know that we

01:14:08.270 --> 01:14:13.369
exist. Yeah. Because why would they? Yeah. I

01:14:13.369 --> 01:14:16.229
mean, I've been in the room with famous people

01:14:16.229 --> 01:14:20.289
before. I've met famous people. I don't get starstruck.

01:14:21.689 --> 01:14:24.420
Like, I can... I can go up to someone and say,

01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:28.039
hey, I appreciate what you do, but I'm not pissing

01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:30.819
my pants over it. Right. And, like, freaking

01:14:30.819 --> 01:14:33.359
out and, like, trying to sneak pictures and all

01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:38.479
this other stuff. I met Taylor Swift. Yeah. I

01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:42.439
think that should be the end of that story. Why?

01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.340
Why can't you let me have this? Fine. Go ahead.

01:14:48.380 --> 01:14:52.909
I can sandboy out post -meeting. But whenever

01:14:52.909 --> 01:14:57.369
I met her, it wasn't a big thing. I mean, she

01:14:57.369 --> 01:14:59.710
definitely wasn't what she is now. She was on

01:14:59.710 --> 01:15:02.170
country radio. She hadn't made the turn yet.

01:15:02.850 --> 01:15:07.430
And I was just like, hey, I like music. And we

01:15:07.430 --> 01:15:11.289
took a picture. And I will ride that picture

01:15:11.289 --> 01:15:14.829
until the day I die. Sure. Do you think that

01:15:14.829 --> 01:15:17.670
contributes to your current relationship? Without

01:15:17.670 --> 01:15:26.229
doubt. It's a big... I use that picture with

01:15:26.229 --> 01:15:33.250
Taylor Swift like Courtney Love uses dredging

01:15:33.250 --> 01:15:36.670
up all the Kurt Cobain stuff. It's to keep you

01:15:36.670 --> 01:15:40.350
relevant? Yeah, and it's just something easy

01:15:40.350 --> 01:15:44.210
to talk about. It gets my foot in the door. I

01:15:44.210 --> 01:15:46.210
think one of those shouldn't be easy to talk

01:15:46.210 --> 01:15:49.319
about, but sure. I mean, she loves talking about

01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:54.880
it. It's like it's dating catnip. That's what

01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:58.279
it is. I just throw it out there and say, yeah,

01:15:58.300 --> 01:16:03.319
I met Taylor Swift. And like 99 % of the work

01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:09.060
is already done. Huh. So here's a lesson to you

01:16:09.060 --> 01:16:11.739
fellas out there. Go get yourself a picture with

01:16:11.739 --> 01:16:15.260
Taylor Swift. Much harder to do now. Much harder

01:16:15.260 --> 01:16:17.819
to come by, yeah. Or just find the next Taylor

01:16:17.819 --> 01:16:20.720
Swift, get a picture while they're still accessible,

01:16:20.979 --> 01:16:25.699
and then ride that into Valhalla. That's what,

01:16:25.739 --> 01:16:29.600
Olivia Rodrigo? Sabrina Carpenter? No, Sabrina

01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:36.500
Carpenter's too big now. It's got to be... Babadaboopi?

01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:44.520
Yeah, Bebopoom. Oh, I saw her at the Heiress

01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:46.359
Tour, and I still don't know what the band's

01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:51.640
name is. Babadooby, I think. It could be. Or

01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:55.180
it could be Beepapoo. I don't know. Anyways,

01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:58.859
a couple days prior to her death, a doctor comes

01:16:58.859 --> 01:17:01.560
to her house. We're back on Amy now. No, Taylor

01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:06.239
Swift. To check on her, since she was well into

01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:12.220
her mental and physical decline. When he left,

01:17:12.220 --> 01:17:13.760
he had no concerns for her. He said that she

01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:15.939
was in high spirits, all of her vitals seemed

01:17:15.939 --> 01:17:19.020
fine, and that she just needed to continue resting

01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:23.520
until they could start transitioning her into

01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:27.460
a more healthy lifestyle. But after the doctor

01:17:27.460 --> 01:17:30.119
left, a little while later, she called the doctor

01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:35.119
again and admitted to the codependency that she

01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:39.560
had with substances and told him, I don't want

01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:42.560
to die. 24 hours later, she would no longer do

01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:45.920
this. Her bodyguard was there to keep an eye

01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:48.279
on things. This is when they had the conversation

01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:51.100
of her. The last thing she said to him was, if

01:17:51.100 --> 01:17:53.739
I could, I would give it back just to walk down

01:17:53.739 --> 01:17:56.520
the street with no hassle. He said she was laughing

01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:59.220
and listening to music at 2 a .m. the day that

01:17:59.220 --> 01:18:01.760
she died. The bodyguard checked in on her later

01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.060
that day around 10 a .m. and tried to get her

01:18:04.060 --> 01:18:07.079
up, but she didn't respond, which wasn't unusual

01:18:07.079 --> 01:18:09.840
for her because she... slept in real late and

01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:12.579
she was up until 2 a .m. listening to music.

01:18:12.979 --> 01:18:16.039
And he came back around 3 p .m. and noticed that

01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:18.840
she was in the same exact position that she had

01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:22.840
been at 10 a .m. He calls the emergency services.

01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:25.380
They come and they've announced her dead at 3

01:18:25.380 --> 01:18:32.340
.54 p .m. So I think that this one most exemplifies

01:18:32.340 --> 01:18:37.000
that episode in South Park where Brittany takes

01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:40.600
half of her. head off and then they still parade

01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:43.039
her around and want to make sure they get every

01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:47.000
shot of her and document the further decline

01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:50.739
I don't know if it's because I was pop culturally

01:18:50.739 --> 01:18:54.760
conscious for every part of this because I mean

01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:57.260
Kurt Cobain lived for two years of my life before

01:18:57.260 --> 01:19:00.100
he was gone everyone else died well before I

01:19:00.100 --> 01:19:03.800
was born so I think that that has something to

01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:09.689
do with this one being a more impactful death

01:19:09.689 --> 01:19:15.109
on this list and just the like ghoulish irony

01:19:15.109 --> 01:19:19.189
that her biggest song was they told me to go

01:19:19.189 --> 01:19:23.109
to rehab and i said no no no it is a a very hard

01:19:23.109 --> 01:19:27.810
listen in the the context of what we what we've

01:19:27.810 --> 01:19:31.890
seen since 2011 for sure she was officially listed

01:19:31.890 --> 01:19:39.060
as dying by alcohol poisoning i think Amy Winehouse's

01:19:39.060 --> 01:19:44.140
death was also fairly impactful for me, not because

01:19:44.140 --> 01:19:47.739
I had been at that point like incredibly into

01:19:47.739 --> 01:19:52.079
her music necessarily, but it was a it was an

01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:56.060
interesting wake up call into kind of how we

01:19:56.060 --> 01:20:00.539
see tabloids. Media coverage and things because

01:20:00.539 --> 01:20:03.579
it had come more or less on the heels of the.

01:20:04.460 --> 01:20:06.220
The South Park episode that you were talking

01:20:06.220 --> 01:20:09.140
about, the Britney Spears quote unquote meltdown

01:20:09.140 --> 01:20:12.439
where she cut all of her hair off. Yeah. And

01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:16.520
it's so it's the same thing we were talking about

01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:18.500
just a minute ago that like it's so sickening

01:20:18.500 --> 01:20:21.260
kind of what we've decided is acceptable for

01:20:21.260 --> 01:20:25.079
these celebrities just because they are good

01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:27.140
at a thing. We believe we have access to every

01:20:27.140 --> 01:20:31.159
bit of their lives. I think a lot of people it's

01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:35.779
it's not to dismiss. the substance abuse issues

01:20:35.779 --> 01:20:39.579
that any of these artists have. But there's accountability

01:20:39.579 --> 01:20:44.260
in a lot of places, I think. Yeah. And real quick,

01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:47.979
I already mentioned Robert Johnson as not technically

01:20:47.979 --> 01:20:51.119
can't be certified part of the 27 Club, but this

01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:57.100
one is the second addition I had to that list

01:20:57.100 --> 01:21:00.520
is Richie Edwards. He was a lyricist and rhythm

01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:03.020
guitarist for the Manic Street Preachers. You

01:21:03.020 --> 01:21:04.500
know what I think about them? Anything about

01:21:04.500 --> 01:21:08.020
him? A couple songs. I don't know if that's anything

01:21:08.020 --> 01:21:11.939
that you would have any knowledge of, but he

01:21:11.939 --> 01:21:16.420
vanished at 27. Vanished? He has no confirmed

01:21:16.420 --> 01:21:21.659
death. All signs point to he did die at 27, but

01:21:21.659 --> 01:21:23.859
again, it can't be confirmed because his body

01:21:23.859 --> 01:21:27.060
was never recovered. Oh. He was last seen on

01:21:27.060 --> 01:21:29.439
February 1st of 1995, checked out of a hotel

01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:31.100
in London. He was supposed to meet a bandmate

01:21:31.100 --> 01:21:35.170
for a U .S. promotion. for any street preachers.

01:21:35.210 --> 01:21:37.829
And he didn't show up. His car was later found

01:21:37.829 --> 01:21:39.989
parked by a bridge in the area that was known

01:21:39.989 --> 01:21:43.069
to be a big suicide location. His bank account

01:21:43.069 --> 01:21:45.529
had small withdrawals before and after his disappearance.

01:21:46.029 --> 01:21:48.189
But there's never been any confirmed sightings

01:21:48.189 --> 01:21:50.250
of him, no physical evidence, and no remains.

01:21:50.550 --> 01:21:54.430
His lyrics were heavy into ideation and references

01:21:54.430 --> 01:21:59.739
to disappearing. And the river that... runs under

01:21:59.739 --> 01:22:02.739
the bridge that his car was found out, the Severn

01:22:02.739 --> 01:22:07.020
River, is tidal and violent, and bodies that

01:22:07.020 --> 01:22:09.979
go into that are rarely recovered. A lot of people

01:22:09.979 --> 01:22:15.020
chalk up the withdrawals as just delays from

01:22:15.020 --> 01:22:20.500
banking in 1995. So those can't really be used

01:22:20.500 --> 01:22:24.920
as proof that he just decided to up and leave

01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:27.890
his life. Don't get me wrong, there are people

01:22:27.890 --> 01:22:31.109
that have tried to leave an old life behind and

01:22:31.109 --> 01:22:34.029
start a new one, but there have never been any

01:22:34.029 --> 01:22:38.449
sightings or anything from this guy after February

01:22:38.449 --> 01:22:43.550
1st, 1995. And honorable mentions that are in

01:22:43.550 --> 01:22:47.510
the 27 Club, but just weren't popular, I guess,

01:22:47.609 --> 01:22:51.050
enough to be part of the main group. Kristen

01:22:51.050 --> 01:22:54.369
Fass was a bassist for, I want to guess which

01:22:54.369 --> 01:22:59.829
band? Oh. Hull died of a heroin overdose in June

01:22:59.829 --> 01:23:03.449
of 1994. Kurt died in April. Kristen died in

01:23:03.449 --> 01:23:09.630
June. Same cause of death. This was heroin -induced.

01:23:09.890 --> 01:23:13.930
But, yeah, so that's interesting. Allegedly.

01:23:14.029 --> 01:23:17.710
It's allegedly interesting. I mean, I think it's

01:23:17.710 --> 01:23:20.970
certifiably interesting. Reasons why it might

01:23:20.970 --> 01:23:24.750
be interesting are alleged. Yes. Rudy Lewis of

01:23:24.750 --> 01:23:27.479
the Drifters. Do you know the Drifters? I do

01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:29.880
not. Do you know the song This Magic Moment?

01:23:30.659 --> 01:23:32.920
Yes. Do you know the song Under the Boardwalk?

01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:36.180
Mm -hmm. Okay. I guess I do know who the Drifters

01:23:36.180 --> 01:23:39.220
are. Oh, Drifters songs. He wasn't around for

01:23:39.220 --> 01:23:41.920
This Magic Moment. He died on the day that they

01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:45.560
were to record Under the Boardwalk. Oh. He was

01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:50.079
found in a hotel, and his official cause of death

01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:53.279
was a heart attack brought on by drug use. 27

01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:56.829
years old. What about Louis Chauvin? Nope. He

01:23:56.829 --> 01:23:58.710
was a ragtime composer. He was a contemporary

01:23:58.710 --> 01:24:02.449
of Scott Joplin. You know Scott Joplin. I do.

01:24:04.710 --> 01:24:12.770
And he died at 27 due to complications from syphilis.

01:24:13.149 --> 01:24:16.510
Huh. And that, my friends, is all I have for

01:24:16.510 --> 01:24:21.149
you on the 27 Club. I mean, yeah, the only other

01:24:21.149 --> 01:24:23.460
additions that I have. aside from the ones that

01:24:23.460 --> 01:24:27.039
you mentioned, are non -musical, which is Jean

01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:31.739
-Michel Basquiat and Anton Yelchin. Anton Yelchin,

01:24:31.899 --> 01:24:36.340
I think it's a... I don't know that he gets considered,

01:24:36.439 --> 01:24:39.420
and I don't know if he gets kind of overlooked

01:24:39.420 --> 01:24:42.699
in the sense that he's not a musician, or in

01:24:42.699 --> 01:24:45.739
the case of he wasn't, kind of like the last

01:24:45.739 --> 01:24:47.479
couple that you mentioned, he wasn't necessarily

01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:51.869
a household name at the time. he wasn't quite

01:24:51.869 --> 01:24:54.090
big enough for him to have that kind of like

01:24:54.090 --> 01:24:58.630
shocked the industry legacy when he died. Yeah.

01:24:59.409 --> 01:25:02.789
It was incredibly sad, but I don't think he had

01:25:02.789 --> 01:25:07.569
the same, the same goal. Plus his didn't have

01:25:07.569 --> 01:25:09.930
the same kind of circumstances that the rest

01:25:09.930 --> 01:25:14.470
of them had. This wasn't, it was technically

01:25:14.470 --> 01:25:17.170
self -inflicted, but I don't think it was self

01:25:17.170 --> 01:25:22.100
-inflicted. I think it was just, That's the normal

01:25:22.100 --> 01:25:25.800
circumstances. Yeah. But I think Jean -Michel

01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:30.699
Basquiat, I think he also OD'd, if I remember

01:25:30.699 --> 01:25:36.380
correctly. Everyone ever does. Takes a lot of

01:25:36.380 --> 01:25:39.159
them. That's what gets a lot of them, yeah. Well,

01:25:39.220 --> 01:25:43.399
what do you have to take away from this episode?

01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:48.199
I don't know that there's a ton to take away

01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:52.829
from this episode. I am less than a week away

01:25:52.829 --> 01:25:58.750
from my 27th birthday. And I think in getting

01:25:58.750 --> 01:26:01.710
to be near the age that all of these artists

01:26:01.710 --> 01:26:05.970
were when they passed, it kind of makes sense

01:26:05.970 --> 01:26:09.350
from a mental standpoint. Like I said earlier,

01:26:09.489 --> 01:26:13.109
I think that if you kind of reach this level

01:26:13.109 --> 01:26:15.649
of success, and this is obviously purely speculative.

01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:17.920
If you reach this level of success while your

01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:22.579
brain is still in the final stages of solidifying

01:26:22.579 --> 01:26:25.939
itself, then it makes a lot of sense for it to

01:26:25.939 --> 01:26:29.939
just kind of, to some extent, cave in on itself

01:26:29.939 --> 01:26:35.100
once your actual prefrontal cortex is formed.

01:26:35.939 --> 01:26:40.720
Yeah, that is correct. I was in a rough place

01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:44.699
when I was 27. Luckily, I made it to 28 and beyond.

01:26:46.369 --> 01:26:53.090
But, you know, it's just got to keep a forward

01:26:53.090 --> 01:27:01.250
gaze. 26 was a rough year. I don't know what

01:27:01.250 --> 01:27:05.449
27 is going to bring. And tropes are bad, okay?

01:27:08.289 --> 01:27:13.670
That's a good takeaway, too. And also, if you

01:27:13.670 --> 01:27:16.710
find yourself struggling, you can reach out to

01:27:16.710 --> 01:27:20.750
the Suicide Hotline. You can call, text. I know

01:27:20.750 --> 01:27:24.329
if you're calling, it's 988. If you're texting,

01:27:24.430 --> 01:27:34.390
it's 988. Or you can chat on the official 988lifeline

01:27:34.390 --> 01:27:40.050
.org website. Don't come up with a permanent

01:27:40.050 --> 01:27:42.880
solution to a temporary problem. That is a good

01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:48.760
takeaway. And with that, we'll see you. See you.