Here's a lesson to you fellas out there. Go get
yourself a picture with Taylor Swift. Much harder
to do now. Or just find the next Taylor Swift,
get a picture while they're still accessible,
and then ride that into Valhalla. Welcome to
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Base here. Vehicle has landed. Welcome to the
Cash Exchange. Welcome. How's it going? Good.
My allergies have been on a massive tear since
it's still 70 degrees in January, but other than
that, I'm feeling it. Yeah? You been sniffing
some trees? I am in hill country, so there are,
fortunately and unfortunately right now, a lot
of trees around me. Well, you take... The good,
you take the bad. And then the facts of life
is what I've heard. Never seen it. You've never
seen the facts of life? No. Mrs. Garrett and
Trudy and Joe and Blair. Sure. Keep naming people
at me. Miss Garrett rings a bell, but. I've still
not seen the show. Miss Garrett had a resurgence
in the original or second season of Family Guy.
She's mentioned every once in a while. Yeah.
She's the girl's... Like the house mom. I forget
what it is. Like the house mom. Oh, okay. But
it's not a sorority. It's a boarding school.
Maybe. Boarding house? Okay. I don't know. Something
like that. I assumed it was like a family sitcom
thing. No, it's a bunch of girls that aren't
related, and then Miss Garrett watches over all
of them. Okay. The more you know. Checking out.
About 70s, 80s sitcoms. Was it 70s or 80s? I
thought it was way more recent than that. I thought
it was like a 90s thing. No. No. It was 70s or
80s. Let's find out. August 24th, 1979 to May
7th, 1988. Boom. Oh, wow. Nailed it on both fronts.
That's a long time. You want to hear a story
real quick of a total douche canoe that I ran
into? On a scale of one to knocked over your
ladder in Boston. How big of a douche canoe are
we talking? It's not that egregious. It's maybe
halfway between knocking over the ladder and
just being a completely pleasant person to be
around. So picture this park, beautiful, sunny
Saturday morning. I'm there with my youngest.
She wants to get on the swings. She's on the
swing. She wants me to push her. I push her.
She says, can you push me higher? And I said,
no. No, no, no. You asked me if I can take you
higher. She said, I don't know what that means.
And I said, you just got to say, can you take
me higher? I said, it's from a song. She said,
what song? I said, from one of the greatest bands
of all time, Creed. She said, can I hear it?
And I said, you know what? You sure can. My little
dumpling, my little pudding pop. So she's sitting
on a swing. She's in one of those ones that has
like the, it's like a pod. And it has little
shoulder restraints that come over and it clicks
in. It's like for special kids that maybe can't
swing on their own, can't stay in the seat on
their own. But it's not one of the baby ones
that probably two years ago I put her in and
then we almost had to call the fire department
because I couldn't get her out. It's not one
of those. But she's listening to it and she has
lyrics on and she's listening to Creed living
her best life. I'm pushing her, and then every
time she hears the words, can you take me higher?
She sings, can you take me higher? And I push
her. She listens to the song like three times
through. We're having a gay old time. And then
this smaller girl asks her dad if he can put
her in the swing next to mine. He lifts her up
there and puts the little... walks her in the
little shoulder straps on her and she looks over
at mine and says can i watch the phone like she
is which okay sure i get it it looks like i'm
just trying to babysit with the phone like fine
i understand that and so he's huffing and puffing
while he's trying to find something for her to
watch on his phone and she's like can i can i
watch a phone can i watch a phone can i watch
a phone He gives it to her and mine is still
living her best life. She's on like the sixth
go around of hire. And then I'm assuming it's
the dad's mom, kid's grandma comes over and says,
oh, does she really need a phone right now? And
the guy at full volume says, oh, yeah, this guy
over here. Just has his daughter with the phone
while she's swinging, so whatever. Has to have
it, too. And first off, first off, don't go blaming
a complete stranger because you cannot tell your
daughter no. If I were in that situation and
I did not want them to have my phone, I would
say, no, you'll be fine. Enjoy the park. He didn't
ask for any circumstances. Or the reason why
she has a phone on the swing. Because then, almost
immediately after, she goes to hand it to me
and throws it right into the woodchucks. Woodchunks.
Chunks of wood. Right into the woodchucks. And
I'm like, come on, man. What are you doing? It's
too early for this. Don't be a douche. At least
say it under your breath or say, I'll tell you
about it later or anything like that. Not at
full volume. Just so the entire part can know
that you're a big ol' a -hole. The internet was
a bad invention. I know I say it pretty often,
but I think that it has ruined how we behave
as human beings. I completely agree. I'm surprised
there wasn't a third person just off in the background
videotaping me. letting her have the phone on
the swing and then i become a uh gonna get doxxed
for creed i mean there's worse ways to go but
sure it definitely wouldn't be my first choice
but uh to the random dad at the park on the swings
um screw you and now we can get on to today's
episode All right. You ready for your three things?
Let me know. All right. Your three things for
this episode are Brian, Jim, and Amy. Brian,
Jim, and Amy. Brian with an I, if that matters.
Jim with an I? Jim with an I. Yes. Yes. If that'll
help. Amy with a Y, though. These are... All
the stock characters in a corporate training
manual. This is how they teach you about sexual
harassment in the workplace. Who's who? Is Amy
the victim or the HR rep? Brian said something
offensive to Amy and Jim's not technically guilty,
but he was there for it and he didn't say anything.
So he's, I think, guilty by proxy. Hmm. That
was a great guess. And if we had true equality,
Amy would be the one saying something defensive
to Brian. And Jim would have to step in and support
his fellow male. But no. I haven't done a lot
of corporate training modules and things because
restaurants typically don't particularly care
what you say. Or do. with each other's bodies
on or off the clock. That is a true statement,
yeah. But the corporate stuff that I have learned
is not very nuanced. They don't give a lot of
women being the harassers in this situation kind
of training. It all comes straight out of the
80s. They are all... one acting choice away from
calling the girl toots wait toots or i said what
i said uh no no you are you are so close though
so close um by way of these people are part of
a collective okay If your three things had been
Janice, Kurt, and Amy, would that have been any
easier for you? Janice, Kurt, and Amy are a part
of the same collective? All six of these main
people that we're talking about today are. part
of the same collective. They are members of the
27 Club. Members of the 27 Club. How much knowledge
do you have of the 27 Club? I know... I think
it's kind of unfortunate, but I know more about
these people in their connection to the 27 Club
than I know about a lot of their lives. Yeah.
Like, a lot of their legacies are kind of tied
into having met tragic ends than what they did
in their time. Not that they're not all incredible
musicians, but it's definitely, I think, one
of the big things that people remember about
them. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I want to preface this
whole episode with... focusing on the reasons
why they're in the 27 Club, the things that led
them there, but that doesn't diminish their status
as musicians or everything they accomplished
in that realm. But it is strange that almost
every list you see the 27 Club is all musicians.
Like, they make that distinction, and I'm not
sure why. There are a couple of other ones that
got added in that are not necessarily musicians.
Jean -Michel Basquiat was one of them. He was
a traditional media artist. You have, I believe,
Anton Yelchin. He was a painter. Oh. More or
less. Anton Yelchin was one. There's also...
I'm definitely forgetting a couple. Do you think
it has anything to do with the whole torture
poet motif? I do think a lot of it is that kind
of idea. These people were in an industry that
preyed on people with substance. and addiction
issues. And on top of that, they were people
who were not necessarily the most mentally stable
because you have to tap into some kind of deeper
emotions that are a lot more volatile to be as
great as Kurt Cobain and Amy Winehouse. I do
think it's really interesting, though, the kind
of connection that they make to the devil at
the crossroads as being a part of the 27 Club.
Like having to sell your soul for the honor of
being celebrated, but only for a short time.
I mean, the original member of the 27 Club was
a blues artist from... What? I might have something
to say about that a little later. Okay. Do you
want to get into it later? We can get into it
now. One of the... alleged first members of the
27 club was a man named robert johnson who was
one of the originators of blues from what i understand
and his death his death from possible poisoning
was marked as a possible deal with the devil
but he made a deal at the crossroads he was going
to be one of the greatest guitarists ever known
and then he was going to meet his end incredibly
early because he had sold his soul well anecdotally
the mythos behind him was that he had been playing
around clubs and doing these real tiny nothing
shows and that he wasn't very good and that he
just he needed to pick a different profession
and then he decides to take a hiatus goes away
for a little bit comes back and then is a master
of his craft and all of a sudden is touted as
one of the greatest blues musicians of all time.
Do you think he sold his soul? Do you think there
was some foul play involved? I think that a lot
of his talent previous was maybe downplay to
amplify the story. Okay. And do I think that
he literally met El Diablo at the corner, at
the intersection of two roads? No. Do I think
that he metaphorically sold his soul? Probably.
And that ended up taking his life. birth year
for robert johnson really no one can verify his
uh birth date no one's found a birth certificate
or anything for him and so when this really when
this really got started off it was kirk cobain
in 1994 that really like solidified all this
and then they start going back and trying to
find Well, maybe there was a pattern before this.
And then that's when you get to Jimi Hendrix
and Janis Joplin, who died the same year at 27.
You go back a little farther back to Brian Jones,
one of the founding members of the Rolling Stones.
He died at 27. And then you go farther back and
then say, oh, well, there's Robert Johnson. He's
got this cool story attached to him. He might
have been 27. We can't prove that he wasn't.
And so that's how he got tied to the 27 Club.
And then everyone just came to the general consensus
that, yeah, he was 27. But there's no concrete
evidence that he was. I remember seeing that
he had, like, his birth date was in 1911. I wonder
where that came from. I don't know. I don't know.
But there's multiple sources that I saw that
said that it's a big old fabrication. Okay. Giant
hoax. But let's start from the certified 27 clubbers.
Brian Jones. Do you know anything about Brian
Jones? I don't. I listen to the Rolling Stones
pretty sparingly. I don't think I've ever really
thought about any of their individual pieces.
That's not your niece? That's not my niece. Well.
He was a founding member of the Rolling Stones
back before they were like, I guess just rock,
but not really heavy rock. They're definitely
not metal. They're not glam rock. I guess just
like rock. I don't know. But this was before
they made that transition. They were like a blues
band out of England. It was him, Mick Jagger,
Keith Richards, one more person that I'm blanking
on. But he was he was talented. He played guitar.
He played harmonica, sitar, marimba and like
a whole bunch of other instruments. He was very
influential in their their original sound before
Mick and Keith ultimately just started like being
the two members of Rolling Stones. struggled
with drug abuse, legal problems. And when Mick
and Keith took over, he had less and less influence
over the direction of the band. He started becoming
unreliable. He wouldn't show up to sets. He wouldn't
come to rehearsals. He wouldn't just be an actual
functioning member of the band or society, really.
The drugs start taking a heavy toll on his health.
And his legal troubles were almost... completely
drug -related. In 1967, he was arrested in England
and charged with possession of cannabis, amphetamines,
and ticania after the police raided his house.
I can't imagine, and maybe it was different back
then, and they had a much harder stance on drugs,
but I can't imagine the police raiding your house
for that kind of, those kind of charges. Like,
kidnapping? murder grand larceny maybe but he
wasn't charged with like enough to say that he
was like distributing or that he was manufacturing
or it's just possession and that caused a full
-on police raid on his house i mean i think that
in that case you can given the timeline probably
point to other theoretical charges like during
the the U .S. hippie movement. You could say
that if a person had marijuana in their house,
that they were conspiring against the government
and things like that. It was a lot more of an
opportunity to reach at that point. That's fair.
That's fair. He was convicted and sentenced.
He was fined, placed on probation, and avoided
prison. But the Bobbies, as they're... I don't
know if they're still referred to that in England.
But them... We're keeping a closer eye on him.
Next year, in 1968, he was arrested again for
cannabis possession. This guy just doesn't learn.
Does not learn. That reinforced his reputation
as being unreliable and being a legal vulnerability
to everyone around him, including this man that
was trying to make it big. Because of these convictions,
he was denied a U .S. visa. And you know what
you need to have in order to make it big in the
music industry? A U .S. visa that allows you
to tour the country. with your band, the Rolling
Stones. And so, in 1969, that was one of the
major reasons that solidified their decision
to give him Das Boot. It was because they couldn't
tour in the United States with him because he
couldn't get a visa because of his criminal history.
And after his release, just weeks later, on July
3rd in 1969, he was found deceased. face down
in his pool. And it was ruled an accidental drowning.
He had plenty of drugs in his system and was
one of the definitive founders of the 27 Club.
It's interesting, but I don't know that there's
any really hard and fast rules when it comes
to who would qualify for the 27 Club. But it's
interesting that he would have been kicked out
of the band before he passed. So theoretically,
his time in the industry would have been cut
short regardless, even if not by death. Yeah,
that's a running theme with these, especially
the ones that are part of a group like Jim Morrison.
Jim Morrison went off the deep end and ended
up running off to Paris in order to avoid all
the legal situations that he had found himself
in here. And so he wasn't an active member of
the Doors by that point because he was just all
over the place. Even still, I feel like Brian
Jones wasn't a part of it when it was big. When
you think of the Rolling Stones, you don't think
of Brian Jones. When you think of the Rolling
Stones and you think of Brian Jones, you think
of the fact that he was kicked out and he drowned
in his own pool. So I get your point. And maybe
it is a... case of the Robert Johnson thing,
but just this one has a little more teeth to
it. Because he was verified to be 27. So maybe
they just wanted to go a little farther back,
and then they were like, well, he's 27. So, I
don't know. What about Jimi Hendrix? I also don't
know a ton about his personal life. I do know
that he's one of the greatest guitarists. to
have ever been. That is correct. That is one
of the things that he is known for. But I don't
know a great deal about him. Do you know he was
born in Seattle, but then didn't really get his
popularity until he moved to London and founded
the Jimi Hendrix Experience? I think that's a
bold move. It's a bold move to tell people that
your entire existence is an experience. He's
right. It was. Yeah. You take enough illicit
things, listen to some Jimi Hendrix, you're going
to have quite the experience. This is where we
start getting a lot of distortion in music, a
lot of intentional feedback, and just ridiculously
long solos. You're like halfway through and you
forget what song it's a solo for. Kind of thing.
Okay. Fair enough. So he was one of the ones
that popularized that. How many people were in
the Jimi Hendrix experience? Or was he just like...
Yes. Yes? All of them? All of the people? All
of the people. Let's find out. Was I a part of
the Jimi Hendrix experience? Yes. Three. It was
Jimi with a fro. And then two white guys with
some heavy, heavy perms. Do you think that was
a qualifier to be a part of the Jimi Hendrix
experience? Yeah, I think that had to be. That
and marching band jackets for some reason. I
do believe that was also one of the qualifiers
for being a big name was you had to have the
Sgt. Pepper jackets. That's definitely what they're
rocking here. But some of Jimmy Jim's most famous...
I don't know why I keep blanking today. Good
Lord. Monterey Pop Festival, 1967, was his U
.S. breakthrough. That's where he set his guitar
on fire after a huge solo and instantly became
like a rock god. Reasonably. Also, the same event
where Janis Joplin hit it big, and we'll talk
about her a little later. What if that was the
actual cursed event? There's just like specific
music festivals that condemn you. Could be. Could
be. Woodstock's on here, but I think Woodstock
99 is more the cursed one than the original.
Purple Haze was released in 1967. It was a single
that has been reported or touted as like the
one that changed rock music just because of how
feedback heavy, how fuzzy, how like kind of chaotic.
It all was and started to shift that way into
more things like heavy metal or, why do I keep
blanking? More like a heavier sound. Yeah. That
led to stuff like heavy metal, like your Metallicas,
your, later on, your Slipknot, your, all that
kind of stuff. Woodstock, 99, or, good lord,
Woodstock's 1969. Nice. is where he had his famous
National Anthem performance that was like seven,
eight minutes long. And it's probably one of
the most mimicked renditions of the National
Anthem. Like if you have someone on an electric
guitar playing the National Anthem, that's the
version that they're trying to copy is the Jimi
Hendrix one. The most copied National Anthem
isn't Fergie's? I think it's up there. I've heard
a lot of things that sound like Fergie. I think
that's unintentionally copying. I think if you're
trying to do the Jimmy National Anthem, it's
fully intention. But if you're trying to copy
Fergie Ferg, it is completely accidental and
it will probably not have a great effect on your
career. 1967. Are you experienced? Was their
first album. Okay. Again. I don't like that.
Really feeding into the Jimmy ego. Have you experienced
me yet is a horrifying concept. 1970, he opened
his own recording studio in New York. And also
in 1970, the Isle of Wight Festival was one of
his. Last performances, but also people started
to notice the toll that everything was taking
on him. So, I mean, from his first major single,
Purple Haze, to his death is a three -year span.
And people still talk about Jimi Hendrix. Yeah,
I think that kind of ties into one of the big
factors behind people being in the 27 Club. It's
that your prefrontal cortex is fully developed
at like 26. Somewhere between 25 and 27. If in
the most pivotal years of your 20s, you get elevated
from just being a dude that plays guitar to the
Jimi Hendrix experience, and you become a rock
god in that small of a window, I don't think
your brain could possibly keep up with that.
I think that's unfortunately kind of the natural
progression of things. Because if you get that
level of self -realization, then... You know
that it's going to fall apart around you. Or
you think that you can only go higher and you
have to push yourself to limits that you couldn't
possibly achieve. And you end up face down in
the pool. I am 33 currently. And I don't think
my brain could handle me being able to legitimately
ask people. If they have experienced me. I mean,
the artist's bravado is also an entirely different
beast. You have to put yourself above the kind
of pushback that you're going to get. And the
only way you can do that is by being just hilariously
out of touch. Because sometimes you're Jimi Hendrix.
And you are actually asking people if they've
experienced you because it is an experience.
And sometimes you are just that dude that's standing
on the corner a couple blocks away from me playing
a ukulele. Jimmy was found unconscious and unresponsive
but breathing in his apartment in London, taken
to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.
It was determined that he... had suffocated by
choking on his own spew, which seems like a hell
of a way to go. Not fun. I wouldn't imagine.
What is your knowledge of Janis Joplin? I've
listened to more Janis Joplin, I think, than
Jimi Hendrix, less than The Rolling Stones. Somewhere
in the middle. She was an American singer who
had a very distinct voice, very raspy, very worn,
even though she was barely an adult whenever
she hit it big. She was born in Port Arthur,
Texas. And if you go down there, there is an
unbelievable amount of tributes to her. Because
it is their claim to fame is that Janis Joplin
is from Port Arthur. She did not have a great
experience growing up, which is a common theme
with a lot of these, I would say probably all
these people. But if not all, then a majority
of them ended up hitchhiking to San Francisco,
where she joined. Big Brother and The Holding
Company. Her music is real heavy, bluesy, and
folky, and very... I mean, I don't think it was
distinct for the time, because I think there
was a lot of similar acts like her at the time,
but I think that she is one of the ones that
was propelled beyond that, so much so that she
still has... radio play on a broader range of
stations than most of the other contemporaries
of, of her. I could see that. Cause like you
can go and flip through your stations and you
could hear me and Bobby McGee, which is a good
song. It's a, it's a really good song. Yeah.
Peace of my heart. You know that song? I'm sure.
Yeah. That was Janice. And I think she ended
up having three albums before she died. Like
Jimi Hendrix, her big U .S. debut was the Monterey
Pop Festival in 1967. She had been battling addiction
pretty much her entire life. She did not take
the fame well. She became codependent on not
just the drugs and alcohol, but also on the people
around her. She would kind of love bomb and then
overstay her welcome. And whenever those people
decided that they just needed a little space,
she would take that very personally. And it would
throw her deeper into her depression, her anxiety,
her substance abuse issues. She died of a heroin
overdose on October 4th, 1970 at 27. She was
found at the Landmark Motor Hotel in L .A. Do
you know what the difference between a motel
and a hotel is? It's amenities, right? It'd be
like continental breakfast and a pool and things.
Did you know that a motel is a portmanteau? A
what? Portmanteau. Do you not know what a portmanteau
is? I've heard the word. I just don't know what
it is. That's where you put two words together,
mash them together, and make one word. It's a
motor hotel? Motor hotel. Because a motel, you
can drive up to your room. A hotel is a centralized
building that you have to walk through a lobby
to get to your room. Interesting. Okay. And so
I think it's interesting that this is called
the landmark motor hotel in LA because I guess
this is before we started calling them motels.
She was found with change in one hand and a new
pack of cigarettes in the other. She just walked
out and bought a pack of cigarettes and came
back to her room and collapsed on her bed. And
that is where she was found. Bottles and syringes
were all over the room, but no drugs, supposedly.
Interesting. All suspicious. She was found by
her manager when she was late for a recording
session. So I'm sure the manager did a little
sprucing up before he called the authorities.
Wouldn't. You also clean up the syringes and
other paraphernalia if you're going to try to
clean up the image by taking away the drugs.
Wouldn't this be an all or nothing kind of situation?
Maybe he didn't have enough time. Sure. Or maybe
he was like, well, they're going to confiscate
this if I don't grab it now. So the only thing
he was interested in was drugs. I don't know.
Yeah. Have you ever seen the Val Kilmer -led
The Doors? I've seen bits of it, but I've never
watched the whole movie. I've also, this is not
relevant, but I've watched the family guy take
on the doors. I've never seen it either, but
I've heard that it's like the greatest biopic.
And also it started the trend of musical biopics.
So maybe it deserves a little hate for that.
I mean, yeah, no, that's fair. I don't think
I've seen a well -executed biopic in a while.
Granted, I haven't watched the two newer ones,
Springsteen and Dylan. Better Man? Is that the
monkey one? Yes, Better Man is the monkey one,
and I will not be watching that, namely because
I still have no idea who Robbie Williams is.
I will say I confuse the Doors movie pretty frequently
with The Dirt. Every time it's brought up, I
know those are two vastly different movies, but
I always think of them as one in the same. I
haven't seen it. I haven't seen either. But to
my understanding, there is no sorting of ants
in The Door's biopic. I don't believe so. Versus
The Dirt. I do recommend watching The Dirt. It
is a pretty interesting movie. That whole crew,
that whole motley crew of people. Just seem like
very, very dirty. Keeping these. Sure. Physically
and spiritually, you know? Sure. I think that
most of the people that we have discussed or
will discuss are a little spiritually dirty.
I always get Led Zeppelin and The Door is Confused.
Really? Yeah. Like, when I hear Stairway to Heaven,
I know it's Led Zeppelin, but... I can never
remember if Jim Morrison was in The Doors or
Led Zeppelin. I think Led Zeppelin had a lot
more staying power. And I think that it also
had to do with like all the cool kids my age
growing up either had a Doors poster or Led Zeppelin
poster. And so they were pretty interchangeable.
That's fair. Just the one picture that everyone
has seen of Jim Morrison where he's just like
super emaciated. But no, if you listen to The
Doors and then you listen to Led Zeppelin, they're
completely different sounds. The Doors are a
lot more moody, more reserved. Sure. Stairway
to Heaven is a fantastic song. It's a great song.
So good that it's banned at Guitar Center. As
it should be. Did you know that Jim Morrison
was born in Melbourne? I did not. Florida. I...
Should have waited for the end of that sentence.
That's on me. And he studied film and literature,
as every good poet does, before founding, co
-founding The Doors in L .A. in 1965. Interesting.
They achieved pretty, pretty rapid. They were
noticed pretty early on. and their popularity
rose rapidly, is what I meant to say, with Light
My Fire, Break On Through, Riders on the Storm,
which is a great song. I like Riders on the Storm.
Those are all pretty great songs. It was a mix
of rock, blues, and, of course, the psychedelic
silliness of the late 60s, early 70s. Yeah. People
Are Strange, I think, is my favorite song of
theirs. That is the one I hear the most because
every year around the end of September, we break
out the Halloween music, Apple Music playlist,
and that's one of them. That's interesting. I
think it's been equated with enough movies, but
that's probably why it has so much staying power
in my brain. It's used in not... necessarily
the Joker, but like Joker -esque movies. I feel
like it gets used in soundtracks a lot. Yes.
Yeah. I agree with that. Morrison, so he formed
the Doors in 1965. Like I said, they had a pretty
meteoric rise early on. And boy, did it go to
his head. I blame the leather pants. Yeah. Nice.
Probably has something to do with it. You have
to feel a certain way about yourself to rock
Leather Pants in any kind of seriousness, I think.
You won't see me on the town in Leather Pants.
All the blood flow had to go somewhere, and so
he got a big head. He was no stranger to legal
issues. They never are. In 1969, he picked up
a obscenity charge in... What does that look
like? What does, what'd he do? He was arrested
and charged with indecent exposure. Okay. Lewd
and lascivious behavior. Can you be charged with
just lewd behavior or just lascivious behavior?
Or does it have to be lewd and lascivious? I
don't know what lascivious means either. Nah,
I don't either. Profanity and public drunkenness
following a chaotic concert in Miami at a place
that was torn down. In 2013, piece of rock history,
just rubble. Now it's probably like the housing
development. Very expensive apartments. He was
later convicted of indecent exposure and profanity,
acquitted on the other charges, sentenced to
jail and fines. What exactly, what would profanity
be in this situation? I assume it's not just
cursing, but if it's different from indecent
exposure, like what? Well, one story I read was
that he was antagonizing the crowd. antagonizing
the police that were there to keep everything
in line. There was no barrier between the band
and the audience. Oh, I got it right here. The
doors played at the Dinner Key Auditorium in
Miami. Morrison arrived intoxicated. The venue
was overcrowded. There was no physical barrier
between the band and the audience. Morrison taunted
the crowd and police, used profanity, and encouraged
disorder. Some witnesses claimed he exposed himself
on stage, though this was never conclusively
proven and no photographs exist. I would imagine
that means it didn't happen if it's not conclusively
proven how many people were at that show. Are
you saying Pixar didn't happen? I am, actually,
yeah. So I would assume in this context, profanity
would probably be things aimed towards the police
officers that were there, security. I think you
can probably get away with anything towards them
being framed as profane. Yeah. Whether it is
actual curse words or not. Fair enough. It was
a highly publicized trial in 1970. He was acquitted
of, as I said before, he was acquitted of indecent
exposure and lewd behavior, but convicted of
profanity and public drunkenness. Sentenced to
six months in jail and a $500 fine. Though, he
was free on bond while appealing the conviction.
And while he was waiting on that appeal, he did
something that you are not supposed to do while
you're on bond and moved to Paris. While in Paris
on July 3rd, 1971. And if you'll remember, do
you remember two years prior what happened on
that exact day? No. When Brian Jones was found
face down in his pool, Jim Morrison was found
dead. in his bathtub in Paris, officially attributed
to heart failure, but a lot of drugs in the system,
so it was heart failure due to rampant drug use.
So he never faced any jail time. I don't even
know if he paid the $500 fine because he was
in the middle of appealing it. But there's a
silver lining to this story. In 2010, Florida
Governor Charlie Crist posthumously pardoned
Morrison for the Miami convictions. Wouldn't
the statute of limitations have super passed
since then? It had been already 40 years. Yeah,
but then, like, these are layup political points.
I mean, I guess. Hey, you love the doors? Well,
guess what I'm going to do. I'm going to pardon
this dead man from ever having to be punished.
Protect the life of this dead man. Double down.
It was offensive what happened here. Oh, if he
ever comes back, I swear he's going to double
prison. He's going to pay a thousand dollar fine.
But I mean, throughout his life, he was, he caught
the ire of the local law enforcement. He was
always up to something. A bunch of disorderly
conduct on stage. He was actually arrested multiple
times for that. Public drunkenness, disruptive
behavior. He had an incident in 1969 with a flight
attendant where he was charged with assault and
public drunkenness on a flight. He got charged
with contempt of court. And this one, he did
actually get hauled away for a little bit because
he was mocking the judge during the court appearance.
That is some Jim Morrison experience kind of
ego. Just a whole list of bad decisions and not
the best posturing for. for your band. And I
think that that's probably why Led Zeppelin,
because I mean, again, they're completely interchangeable
for me. I know their sound's different, but if
you just say Led Zeppelin and The Doors, it's
just potato patata. But Led Zeppelin had a lot
more saying power because of they didn't have
this nonsense going on in the background their
entire run. Sure. I don't know that I know any
of the individual members of Led Zeppelin, so
I think that's probably a, none of them had that.
I think, John? Paul Jones is from Led Zeppelin.
But like, I don't know anything that any of them
have done individually. Robert Plant, Jimmy Page,
John Bonham, John Paul Jones. If I had heard
the names, if I had heard the names, then I would
be like, oh yeah, Led Zeppelin. Yeah. But just
pulling it out of my keister, I wouldn't be able
to get it. All right. Ready to move on to one
that saddens me the most. Let's hear it. Sammy
Winehouse? Anton Yelchin? No. No. It is Sir Kurt
Cobain. What is your experience with Nirvana?
Have you discovered Nirvana? As a concept, I
have no experience with Nirvana. As a band, I
have listened to a great deal of Nirvana. I also
learned how to play it. Not really, but on Rock
Band, Guitar Hero. Is that my doing? Or would
you have discovered it on your own? Or did I
just accelerate? I think the last one. I think,
in part, some of my experience with not necessarily
just Nirvana, but rock music in general started
out with the games Rock Band and Guitar Hero.
And then I actually started listening to a lot
of that stuff. Outside of the context of those
games. I do think, though, that your influence
with Nirvana was definitely a factor there. I
went through a huge Nirvana phase. So much so
that I had a gigantic Kurt Cobain poster in my
bedroom growing up. It was later lost to time.
And then three... Years ago, for Christmas, Emily
found me an exact copy of that poster. And it
is back on my bedroom wall. Is this the Willy
Wonka? Yeah, it's the one where he looks like
the Johnny Depp Willy Wonka. I like those steampunk
goggles. It's pretty silly in them. But no, I
love Nirvana. I don't know if you can call Nirvana
comforting, but it's very nostalgic for me. Just
listening to the music and then remembering back
to when I first heard it or when I was really
heavy into Nirvana and just all the experiences
I had then. And it also helps that I'm... fan
of conspiracy theories doesn't mean i believe
all of them but i do think that uh some some
people that come up with these these conspiracy
theories uh do make some some decent points and
if you know anything about kurt cobain just the
passing knowledge of him you know that his death
in 1994 was suspicious yeah to say the least
Why was it suspicious? Yeah, well, for one, he
was at the top of his game. Like, he was... And,
I mean, that may be a mark in the column of making
it more believable because, like, the pressure
was at its peak at that point. Yeah. But also,
he was with Courtney Love, who... is an interesting
human being. She has had her own issues with
drugs and alcohol, but she's still around to
tell the ever -changing tale. And a lot of the
circumstances surrounding his death and how he
was found, where he was found, what he was found,
what was around him. It's just, it's been called
into question a lot. Do I think that there is
a conspiracy? Probably not. Would it be, could
I be persuaded if enough evidence came forward
that there was a conspiracy? Yeah, probably.
I would entertain it. Sure. But he was born in
Aberdeen, Washington, which, as far as I know,
is a suburb of Seattle. Of course, like everyone
else on this list, had a troubled childhood.
Parents split when he was young. And that had
a huge influence on who he became. One of the
founding -ish members of the grunge scene out
of Seattle. Same kind of stuff that brought you
Stone Temple Pilots. Why am I blanking, man?
We just talked about him. Chris Fornell. Soundgarden?
Good Lord, Soundgarden. Pearl Jam? Pearl Jam.
All those bands that came out of Seattle. Nirvana
and Kurt Cobain were recognized as the founders
of SE. Yeah. 1991, Nevermind came out. I'm sure
if you don't know anything about the album, you
know about the album cover. With the baby in
the pool. With the dollar on them, or trying
to catch the dollar that's floating in front
of them. Did you know that that baby grew up
to be a man and tried to sue the estate? For
putting his... For putting his wee -wee on the
cover without his consent? I mean, I would imagine
they got consent from his parents. Uh -huh. I
would love to have that. for that to be my legacy,
my little baby wiener, on one of the most famous
albums of all time. But what propelled Nevermind
to be the powerhouse that it was was the song
Smells Like Teen Spirit, which was not expected
to be the powerhouse that it was. The title comes
from a brand of girls' deodorant. Did you know
that? Yeah, I did. I used to use Teen Spirit
once upon a time. Oh, the dollar is on a hook.
I couldn't remember if it was just floating or
if it was on a hook. Yeah. But no, looking at
this, the baby's penis is very prominent on this
album cover. Been a while since I've had scenes
covered. I mean, it's not like this dude had
to claim that it was him. Either you're proud
that you're on the Nirvana cover or you can just
not claim that. Why is that baby's wiener on
there? I have no clue who that is. I swear it
got bigger. Anyways, this album, Nevermind, has
Smells Like Teen Spirit, In Bloom, which was
a big rock band song. Yeah. Come As You Are,
Lithium, Polly. Which I don't know if that's
just a me thing or if that's a song that other
people know. But, I mean, just those first, and
Breed, those first six songs were huge. And I
don't think that they were prepared for that
level of stardom that fast. Sure, yeah. Because
it was Kurt. It was... Chris Novoselic, and it
was Dave Grohl. I'm having a rough go at it today.
Do you think that Kurt, how do you think Kurt
would feel about the Foo Fighters today? I mean,
I don't know a ton about their relationships,
I guess, whenever Kurt was still around. I think
the Foo Fighters is a logical extension of Nirvana
without Kurt. I think Dave Grohl maintained a
lot of that same energy as Nirvana had. Just
a little less sad. And more intelligible lyrics.
Yeah. We saw Weird Al last year over the summer.
And he did Smells Like Nirvana. Yeah. He's going
back around. I know. He's going to be in Austin
in August, I believe, next year. I'd go again.
I'll definitely be going this time. And Emily
did not know that he dressed up as Kurt Cobain
from the music video. And that is her favorite
part from that concert was when he did Smells
Like Nirvana. Hmm. Okay. Kurt was a big fan of
Alfred's version of his song. Because I don't
know if you know this. You probably know this,
but other people probably don't. That in order
for Weird Al to do a parody, he doesn't have
to have the permission of the artist. But as
a courtesy, as a professional courtesy, he makes
sure that he gets their approval before he moves
forward on anything. And he reached out to Kurt
and told him about his idea for Smells Like Nirvana,
and he loved it. I don't think he's been turned
down for too many things. I do know that he was
turned down by Michael Jackson for, I think it
was Man in the Mirror. Because the song was too
serious to be parodied. Because it's such a serious
subject. There was one more. I think Prince maybe
said no? No. I don't think it was made in the
mirror. I think it was black or white. Black
or white, yeah. And he was going to do Snack
All Night. Another food song, yeah. Yeah. And
then he had reservations about it because he
didn't want to keep doing food songs. And Michael
had reservations about it because he said it
was such a serious subject matter that he didn't
want that. Yeah. But he still does, or he did
at the time, he would do live versions of Snack
All Night. And you can get some very choppy VHS
level recordings of him doing Snack All Night.
I do think it's very funny that Weird Al made
essentially like several albums worth of children's
entertainment. Because if you think about it,
he's not that distinct from the Wiggles. But
the fact that he has a song called Eat It. He's
got Another One Rides the Bus. I Love Rocky Road.
Those two are our favorites in our house. Eat
It and Another One Rides the Bus. Another One
Rides the Bus and I Love Rocky Road. It's not
one of my favorites. I don't think any of my
favorites are his food ones. If you've seen Weird,
the Al Yankovic story. I have. Fantastic movie.
Whenever little Alfred tells his dad that he
wants to make music, but not make his own music.
He wants to take popular music and change the
lyrics. And his dad asks him for an example of
what he's talking about. And he just goes into
amazing, great. How sweet the juice. And that
gets a lot of play at our house, too. Yeah. I
know this is a heavier episode, but if you haven't
seen We Are the Al Yankovic story, it's on Roku
TV, and it is worth the free trial. Or just buy
it. It's worth buying. It's worth buying. I bought
it. I own it. I'm the owner of... Weird, the
Al Yankovic story starring Daniel Radcliffe.
Yeah. And an unbelievable amount of cameos. Wow.
This is the first time I've seen Demetri Martin
in years. Evan Rachel Wood as Madonna. Rainn
Wilson as Dr. Demento. Rainn Wilson, yeah. It's
beautiful. And one of my favorite biopics. Biopics.
Yeah. Biopics. We saw the man come on. Annie
Huzel, Nevermind was followed up by In Utero.
In Utero, if you'll recall, has the song Heart
-Shaped Box, which was a biggie. All Apologies,
another big one. Dumb, a classic. And also, Grape
Me, which is a song that I like to play. When
I feel like I'm in a group of people that are
kind of like zoned out. Sure. And just see how
long it takes for them to notice. I used to do
the same thing in the car with mother. I remember
distinctly one time she was taking me and two
friends to Six Flags. And I had a burnt CD and
played Crazy Bitch. until she caught on to what
was playing. Little Buck Cherry? To all of our
surprise, never once caught on to what was going
into her ear holes. And I was, I don't know,
13, 14 at the time. Yeah. So I should not have
been listening to such filth. Hey, the adults
don't care. Why should I care, you know? Sure.
This is one of those instances of just let kids
be kids. Important moments. I think one of the
most remembered moments was Nirvana on MTV Unplugged.
Is that the bananas? What? There was a performance
where they weren't allowed to actually, like,
play because they wanted it to be this like polished
sound and so like Kurt Cobain is singing into
a banana half the time or he's like he's not
actually playing the guitar he's just like every
third beat he'll just strum nothing now that
was either that was either like SNL or like a
late night appearance It was BBC Live. Yeah.
Yeah, that wasn't unplugged. Unplugged, you can
get the whole album on anywhere you stream your
music. And it's acoustic versions of all their
songs. And it is fantastic. I mean, I say that
that's one thing that I will miss about MTV,
but that hasn't been what MTV has been about
in like, I don't know, 15 years. It's been a
decade of ridiculousness. Yeah. So, I guess 15
years ago, I should have said, I'll miss this
part of MTV. Yeah. But Old Curdy Boy was... Found
in a greenhouse above his garage, I believe,
at his home in Seattle. He had just escaped from
rehab by literally jumping over the wall. He
had a shotgun near him. He had a box that contained
all of his heroin supplies. And he had a note
next to him that... pretty much just kind of
alluded but then kind of not and then it takes
a turn halfway through to where it looks like
it's the beginning of it is your standard like
your standard note that you would find in such
a situation but then the second half looks like
it is done by someone else's hand and doesn't
really match the first part so that was one of
the big things that drove the conspiracy theories
that, hey, something happened. There were levels
of heroin so high in his system that it should
have incapacitated him again. I mean, he had
a huge tolerance to it. So what would have incapacitated
him probably would have killed somebody else.
That's another point that conspiracy theorists
like to point to. There were no fingerprints
found on the gun, the shells, or the pen that
was used to write the letter, which was right
next to the letter. The investigators that opened
it up, because, I mean, it was a cold case. I
still don't think that they've officially closed
the case as of now. But what the investigator
that was going back over it said, actually, that's
pretty standard. you don't find fingerprints
on that kind of stuff, which I think is, I don't
know if I believe that. That doesn't make any
sense. Especially on the pin. And he wasn't found
with gloves or anything on. I would understand
the pin not having fingerprints a lot more than
the gun. Like, theoretically, you could have
wiped the pin off. I don't think you get to have
a moment to wipe off the gun. Not with a shotgun.
That was another, another. detail that people
were suspicious about was the fact that he used
a shotgun and it was a it was a long barrel shotgun
he was sitting cross -legged on the floor so
just the the way it was all displayed was very
suspicious and that's why i am not fully convinced
that what what the official story is, is what
actually happened. And then there's everything
with Courtney Love, his wife, mother to their
daughter, Frances Bean Cobain, just her going
off the rails. The suspected motive was that
if this is all alleged, this is the alleged motive,
is that Eventually, the drugs were going to kill
him anyways. If he died on top, that would be
more profitable for the estate moving forward
than if there had been a decline and then he
died. Fellow bandmates Chris Novoselic and Dave
Grohl have just tried to put this behind them.
Courtney Glove brings it up a lot. It's kind
of the only thing that she is known for anymore.
She had her own band, Hole, which is a swing.
I didn't know she was a part of that. You know
she was part of Hole? I didn't know she was a
part of Hole. But again, what she's known for
is not her own stuff. It's Kurt Cobain and being
tied to this suspicious, quote unquote, suspicious
suicide. What? What? But I have one more piece
of Kurt Cobain lore that may flip everything
on its head. What you got? Eldon Hoke, who is
a fellow Seattle musician, claimed in a documentary
called Kort and Kourtney. Good Lord. Kort and
Kourtney. I'm having a rough go, guys. Kort and
Kourtney, that Kourtney Love offered him money
to kill Kort. Okay. He passed a lie detector
test, but most still doubted his story. Eight
days after he filmed this for the documentary,
saying that Courtney Love tried to hire him as
a hitman to take out Kurt, he was found without
his head on some train tracks. Oh, my God. Coincidence?
Yes, most likely a coincidence. He had an extremely
high blood alcohol content in his blood. He tried
to race a freight train going 60 miles per hour,
and his death was ruled as misadventure. And
he got hit so hard that his head literally just
was removed. It was unburdened. By the rest of
his body. I know this isn't the point of that
story, but I didn't know that your death could
be ruled misadventure. And I know how I want
to go out now. By misadventure? I want to go
out by misadventure. I don't know what that entails,
but that's how I would like to go. All right.
Last one. Number six. Just most recent, not most
impactful. Amy Winehouse. I feel like you probably
know more about her than I do. I don't know a
ton about Amy Winehouse. I've listened to her
music a good amount. I love her voice. The, I
think, notable thing about her legacy was how
much her father specifically has been trying
to milk her story for all it's worth. It feels
like the older version of the child stars. where
the adult is just trying to, like, doesn't really
care what abuse is being done to their children.
It's just for the sake of them making money.
The most recent biopic they did for her was,
at best, pretty disappointing. Wasn't it, like,
real exploitative? It was really exploitative,
and they picked someone who couldn't match her
voice, which is the whole thing for Amy Winehouse,
was that she had this incredibly distinctive
voice. And it's just, it misses the mark so much
on so many different fronts that you can tell,
especially because this is like the third biopic
they've made for her. And she only, at the end
of the day, made it to 27 years old. You can
only live so much in that time. You don't have
three movies worth of story to tell. Who came
first, Amy Winehouse or Kat Von D? Winehouse.
The shark cat eyes. The giant eyeliner. Yeah,
her debut album, Frank, which I thought was maybe
her dad's name, but it is not because her dad's
name is Mitchell Whitehouse, mother Janice Winans.
So he's a taxi driver. Mother's a pharmacist.
So you think that had anything to do with. Her
proclivities? Her mother being a pharmacist?
I could very much see that. She rose to global
fame in 2006 with Back to Black. Great song.
Featuring, ironically, the song Rehab and You
Know I'm No Good. Yeah. She earned multiple Grammy
Awards. But had a hard time dealing with the
music industry and the fame and everything that
came with all the success that she was having.
Yeah. She was constantly on the tabloids, like,
looking strung out. So they just picked the worst
picture possible of her and used it as a story
to run with. And that's got to take a huge...
toll on your psyche and just on your your day
-to -day life yeah it was she's quoted at one
point as saying if i could go back and do it
again if i had the ability to i think walk down
the street without being hassled i wouldn't or
i would take it if i could i would give it back
just to walk down the street with no hassle yeah
or the last words that she said to her bodyguard
which is probably a bigger conversation about
what we see celebrity as yeah how much they truly
cease to be people yeah i mean it's it's a trade
-off um you have to be able to weather that and
a lot of a lot of people can't a lot of people
can't eventually but you have to be able to weather
that till you get to that point to where you
can handle those kind of things and that kind
of popularity, whatever you call it. It is pretty
sickening, though, that we live in a society
where we can create those kind of parasocial
relationships where we create these unhealthy
attachments to people who don't know that we
exist. Yeah. Because why would they? Yeah. I
mean, I've been in the room with famous people
before. I've met famous people. I don't get starstruck.
Like, I can... I can go up to someone and say,
hey, I appreciate what you do, but I'm not pissing
my pants over it. Right. And, like, freaking
out and, like, trying to sneak pictures and all
this other stuff. I met Taylor Swift. Yeah. I
think that should be the end of that story. Why?
Why can't you let me have this? Fine. Go ahead.
I can sandboy out post -meeting. But whenever
I met her, it wasn't a big thing. I mean, she
definitely wasn't what she is now. She was on
country radio. She hadn't made the turn yet.
And I was just like, hey, I like music. And we
took a picture. And I will ride that picture
until the day I die. Sure. Do you think that
contributes to your current relationship? Without
doubt. It's a big... I use that picture with
Taylor Swift like Courtney Love uses dredging
up all the Kurt Cobain stuff. It's to keep you
relevant? Yeah, and it's just something easy
to talk about. It gets my foot in the door. I
think one of those shouldn't be easy to talk
about, but sure. I mean, she loves talking about
it. It's like it's dating catnip. That's what
it is. I just throw it out there and say, yeah,
I met Taylor Swift. And like 99 % of the work
is already done. Huh. So here's a lesson to you
fellas out there. Go get yourself a picture with
Taylor Swift. Much harder to do now. Much harder
to come by, yeah. Or just find the next Taylor
Swift, get a picture while they're still accessible,
and then ride that into Valhalla. That's what,
Olivia Rodrigo? Sabrina Carpenter? No, Sabrina
Carpenter's too big now. It's got to be... Babadaboopi?
Yeah, Bebopoom. Oh, I saw her at the Heiress
Tour, and I still don't know what the band's
name is. Babadooby, I think. It could be. Or
it could be Beepapoo. I don't know. Anyways,
a couple days prior to her death, a doctor comes
to her house. We're back on Amy now. No, Taylor
Swift. To check on her, since she was well into
her mental and physical decline. When he left,
he had no concerns for her. He said that she
was in high spirits, all of her vitals seemed
fine, and that she just needed to continue resting
until they could start transitioning her into
a more healthy lifestyle. But after the doctor
left, a little while later, she called the doctor
again and admitted to the codependency that she
had with substances and told him, I don't want
to die. 24 hours later, she would no longer do
this. Her bodyguard was there to keep an eye
on things. This is when they had the conversation
of her. The last thing she said to him was, if
I could, I would give it back just to walk down
the street with no hassle. He said she was laughing
and listening to music at 2 a .m. the day that
she died. The bodyguard checked in on her later
that day around 10 a .m. and tried to get her
up, but she didn't respond, which wasn't unusual
for her because she... slept in real late and
she was up until 2 a .m. listening to music.
And he came back around 3 p .m. and noticed that
she was in the same exact position that she had
been at 10 a .m. He calls the emergency services.
They come and they've announced her dead at 3
.54 p .m. So I think that this one most exemplifies
that episode in South Park where Brittany takes
half of her. head off and then they still parade
her around and want to make sure they get every
shot of her and document the further decline
I don't know if it's because I was pop culturally
conscious for every part of this because I mean
Kurt Cobain lived for two years of my life before
he was gone everyone else died well before I
was born so I think that that has something to
do with this one being a more impactful death
on this list and just the like ghoulish irony
that her biggest song was they told me to go
to rehab and i said no no no it is a a very hard
listen in the the context of what we what we've
seen since 2011 for sure she was officially listed
as dying by alcohol poisoning i think Amy Winehouse's
death was also fairly impactful for me, not because
I had been at that point like incredibly into
her music necessarily, but it was a it was an
interesting wake up call into kind of how we
see tabloids. Media coverage and things because
it had come more or less on the heels of the.
The South Park episode that you were talking
about, the Britney Spears quote unquote meltdown
where she cut all of her hair off. Yeah. And
it's so it's the same thing we were talking about
just a minute ago that like it's so sickening
kind of what we've decided is acceptable for
these celebrities just because they are good
at a thing. We believe we have access to every
bit of their lives. I think a lot of people it's
it's not to dismiss. the substance abuse issues
that any of these artists have. But there's accountability
in a lot of places, I think. Yeah. And real quick,
I already mentioned Robert Johnson as not technically
can't be certified part of the 27 Club, but this
one is the second addition I had to that list
is Richie Edwards. He was a lyricist and rhythm
guitarist for the Manic Street Preachers. You
know what I think about them? Anything about
him? A couple songs. I don't know if that's anything
that you would have any knowledge of, but he
vanished at 27. Vanished? He has no confirmed
death. All signs point to he did die at 27, but
again, it can't be confirmed because his body
was never recovered. Oh. He was last seen on
February 1st of 1995, checked out of a hotel
in London. He was supposed to meet a bandmate
for a U .S. promotion. for any street preachers.
And he didn't show up. His car was later found
parked by a bridge in the area that was known
to be a big suicide location. His bank account
had small withdrawals before and after his disappearance.
But there's never been any confirmed sightings
of him, no physical evidence, and no remains.
His lyrics were heavy into ideation and references
to disappearing. And the river that... runs under
the bridge that his car was found out, the Severn
River, is tidal and violent, and bodies that
go into that are rarely recovered. A lot of people
chalk up the withdrawals as just delays from
banking in 1995. So those can't really be used
as proof that he just decided to up and leave
his life. Don't get me wrong, there are people
that have tried to leave an old life behind and
start a new one, but there have never been any
sightings or anything from this guy after February
1st, 1995. And honorable mentions that are in
the 27 Club, but just weren't popular, I guess,
enough to be part of the main group. Kristen
Fass was a bassist for, I want to guess which
band? Oh. Hull died of a heroin overdose in June
of 1994. Kurt died in April. Kristen died in
June. Same cause of death. This was heroin -induced.
But, yeah, so that's interesting. Allegedly.
It's allegedly interesting. I mean, I think it's
certifiably interesting. Reasons why it might
be interesting are alleged. Yes. Rudy Lewis of
the Drifters. Do you know the Drifters? I do
not. Do you know the song This Magic Moment?
Yes. Do you know the song Under the Boardwalk?
Mm -hmm. Okay. I guess I do know who the Drifters
are. Oh, Drifters songs. He wasn't around for
This Magic Moment. He died on the day that they
were to record Under the Boardwalk. Oh. He was
found in a hotel, and his official cause of death
was a heart attack brought on by drug use. 27
years old. What about Louis Chauvin? Nope. He
was a ragtime composer. He was a contemporary
of Scott Joplin. You know Scott Joplin. I do.
And he died at 27 due to complications from syphilis.
Huh. And that, my friends, is all I have for
you on the 27 Club. I mean, yeah, the only other
additions that I have. aside from the ones that
you mentioned, are non -musical, which is Jean
-Michel Basquiat and Anton Yelchin. Anton Yelchin,
I think it's a... I don't know that he gets considered,
and I don't know if he gets kind of overlooked
in the sense that he's not a musician, or in
the case of he wasn't, kind of like the last
couple that you mentioned, he wasn't necessarily
a household name at the time. he wasn't quite
big enough for him to have that kind of like
shocked the industry legacy when he died. Yeah.
It was incredibly sad, but I don't think he had
the same, the same goal. Plus his didn't have
the same kind of circumstances that the rest
of them had. This wasn't, it was technically
self -inflicted, but I don't think it was self
-inflicted. I think it was just, That's the normal
circumstances. Yeah. But I think Jean -Michel
Basquiat, I think he also OD'd, if I remember
correctly. Everyone ever does. Takes a lot of
them. That's what gets a lot of them, yeah. Well,
what do you have to take away from this episode?
I don't know that there's a ton to take away
from this episode. I am less than a week away
from my 27th birthday. And I think in getting
to be near the age that all of these artists
were when they passed, it kind of makes sense
from a mental standpoint. Like I said earlier,
I think that if you kind of reach this level
of success, and this is obviously purely speculative.
If you reach this level of success while your
brain is still in the final stages of solidifying
itself, then it makes a lot of sense for it to
just kind of, to some extent, cave in on itself
once your actual prefrontal cortex is formed.
Yeah, that is correct. I was in a rough place
when I was 27. Luckily, I made it to 28 and beyond.
But, you know, it's just got to keep a forward
gaze. 26 was a rough year. I don't know what
27 is going to bring. And tropes are bad, okay?
That's a good takeaway, too. And also, if you
find yourself struggling, you can reach out to
the Suicide Hotline. You can call, text. I know
if you're calling, it's 988. If you're texting,
it's 988. Or you can chat on the official 988lifeline
.org website. Don't come up with a permanent
solution to a temporary problem. That is a good
takeaway. And with that, we'll see you. See you.