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Time is your most precious commodity. It's the

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only thing that when you run out of it, it's

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gone. You're gone. So people aren't... It's not

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existential. People aren't inclined to waste

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their time on something like this, trying to

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chase a feeling that they had before. Welcome

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to the show, people. Welcome to the show. Eat

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my shorts. So here is to conversation. Tranquility

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base here. Vehicle has landed. Welcome to the

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Cash Exchange. Welcome. What's up? Not much.

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I am transitioning jobs right now. How's that

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going? I get to meet a new staff sometime soon.

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It's good. The service industry is kind of the

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same no matter where you go. It's going to be

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the same soup, just reheated. Speaking of, I

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just made some... Potato soup last Sunday. And

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it was fantastic. It's not soup season yet. It's

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still 100 degrees outside. What are you doing?

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Emily was sick. That's my good fiance. Don't

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mind me. I'm pretty good, you know. All things

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considered. Living my best life, best I can.

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Just out here chugging away, man. Still, uh...

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Still pushing for those... Oh, shit. Whoops.

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My current podcast set up because I haven't replaced

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my webcam yet. I have to like prop up my laptop.

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And right now it's on my new collection of DVDs

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because I am tired of streaming services. So

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I'm trying to build up my DVD collection again.

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Oh, what you got? Currently, it's just a bunch

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of like 2000s comedies. Not another teen movie?

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Not yet. I haven't found that one yet. I went

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to Half Price Blitz and just got a bunch of ones

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from the clearance section. So right now I have

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51st State, 40 -Year -Old Virgin, The Breakup,

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Anchorman, and Rush Hour, which is still in its

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plastic with a Blockbuster sticker from 2006.

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That's like a collector's item. I think so. You

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can't open that. Yeah, no, I don't know what

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germs are in that DVD case after 19 years of

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being in the plastic. Yeah. I don't remember

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what was going around in 06. I was too busy being

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7. Well, yeah, yeah. All right, you ready for

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today's trace items? What you got for me? What

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do New Coke, Ford Pintos, and the Microsoft Zune

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have in common? The only thing... And I'm not

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sure this is the right car. The only thing that

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I think that I know about the Ford Pinto was

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that it was the exploding one. Yeah. Because

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of a live episode of Stuff You Should Know. Back

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when I was like deep on that podcast. Have you

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ever seen the movie Top Secret with Val Kilmer?

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It was like a Naked Gun movie, but it was spy

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based. One of the gags in it is that this Ford

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Pinto goes rolling down this hill like at top

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speed. It starts to gradually slow down and you

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think everything's going to be fine. And then

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it just barely taps a tree and then just boom,

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explodes. Okay. Because in the designing of the

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Ford Pinto, the gas tank was not reinforced and

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it was also exposed. And so all it would take

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is a little spark and then boom goes the Pinto.

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That is genuinely horrifying. They'd made plenty

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of cars before then. Why did they think that

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that was just like added protection that they

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didn't need? They're just trying to cut costs.

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And did they? How many times did they get sued

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for the? Oh, quite a bit. Quite a bit. And then

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all the recalls. But it wasn't. Did you know?

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That the Ford Edsel was the inspiration for the

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car that Homer built. Oh, I didn't know there

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was an inspiration for the car that Homer built.

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It's so ridiculous. I didn't think it could have

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come from. Yep, came from the Ford Edsel. So

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I wasn't sure which one to put on this list,

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but I went with the Pinto because it's got a

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little more name recognition. But if you get

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a chance, look up the Ford Edsel. E -D -S -E

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-L. Okay, so. The Ford Pinto. Yes. New Coke.

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And what was the third one? The Microsoft Zune.

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Absolute failures of products. That was pretty

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close. I think that the Microsoft Zune failed

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because it just came out at the wrong time. It's

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like the twin films where they're just basically

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the same thing. It came out too close to the

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iPod. I would say that that's kind of fair. I

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would also say that the, usually with twin films,

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they're the same caliber. It's not like one was

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straight to DVD and then the other one was, you

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don't consider those twin films. The straight

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to DVD is just a knockoff. But if both movies

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are in the theaters, they're usually of the same

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quality. And the Zune was a total piece of garbage

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compared to the iPod. Fair. And. That leads us

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into today's topic, which is spinoffs and new

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iterations of things that we don't really need,

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don't really want, and sometimes all around just

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suck. I already have a lot of thoughts when it

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comes to this topic, but I need to know before

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I go on any kind of rants, is this specific to

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spinoffs or are we doing the prequel sequels?

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Well. I didn't know. I don't know what is because

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I was dancing between reboots and spinoffs. So

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what is your definition of a reboot and what's

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your definition of a spinoff? I would consider

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a reboot something that has been off of the air

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for a while or something that was made a good

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amount of time ago and would also contain all

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of the same characters. So like if you think

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of. What is it? Seinfeld and Frasier? No. Cheers

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and Frasier. Cheers and Frasier. If you think

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of like Cheers and Frasier, that's a spinoff

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because it's not the same people. It is a person

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from it, but it's not inherently the same thing.

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But if they rebooted it with all of the same

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characters at the same bar or something like

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that, then it would be a reboot of Cheers. Okay.

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Yeah, Frasier is in its whole own category because

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it has a spinoff. It is a spinoff. And then it

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also has a reboot. That's a reboot? Yeah, they

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rebooted it, I don't know, last year, year before.

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Really? I did not. Yeah, it went off with a fizzle.

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I could imagine. There's no Niles in it. Like

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it's a yin without a yang. I imagine if this

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one ends up in the shorts, I'm going to get grilled

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for it again. I've never seen Frasier or Cheers

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for that matter. They're both before my time.

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I just know that they exist and were culturally

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significant TV. I didn't like Frasier. I didn't

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like Cheers. I've tried to sit down and watch

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a couple episodes and just not for me. It's real

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boring. That's where Woody Harrelson got a start.

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Yeah. Made Ted Danson famous. Danny DeVito was.

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Was that what made Danny DeVito famous? I thought

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that was Taxi. No, it was Taxi. Just Taxi. No,

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maybe not. Rhea Perlman, his wife, though, is

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where she has the most popularity. Yeah, maybe

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I'm wrong about the Danny DeVito thing. But yeah,

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it's just not for me. But I loved Frasier. Frasier

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was a good show. Yeah, it always had like an

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air of just being pretentious and haughty. But

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when you get down to it, it's a pretty good show.

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That is the general vibe that I get from Kelsey

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Grammer, regardless of what I've seen him in.

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And also his daughter, Spencer Grammer, also

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gives off that kind of uppity vibe. Yeah. I mean,

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there's probably something there. I mean, it

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depends on how far you want to go back with this.

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Because in a way, in a sense, 80 % of television,

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since the, I don't know, 60s, 50s, have all had

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the same formula. They're all rebooted. Different

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iterations of one show that most people link

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all these back to. Do you know what show that

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is? I know. I've heard about it. Borderline alcoholic

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husband. the doting housewife the idiot best

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friend yeah yeah it's amazing how many shows

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you can trace back to the honeymooners and how

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many follow that exact same formula yeah I mean

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especially in the early 2000s they tried to break

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out of it I guess a little bit but like every

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sitcom that came out was a overweight husband

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who was kind of an asshole. Violent. Bore -ish.

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Alcoholic. The wife who was just a step removed

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from a Valium every day. The idiot go along with

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the best friend. The wives are always way too

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hot for the husbands. I could think of like 10

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sitcoms that immediately popped into my head

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as soon as like the modern day Honeymooners thing

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came up. Like it's it's everywhere. It is. Or

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at least I've maybe watched too many of those

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shows. Or maybe that's just what you're into

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and so that's what's top of mind. I don't think

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that I've watched a show like that save for like

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Family Guy or The Simpsons in a long time. I

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don't they don't I don't think make as many of

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them anymore because they don't play the same

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these days especially the closer that you get

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to the honeymooners kind of kind of storyline

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oh so i mean pal writing the kisser when you're

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talking to your wife isn't doesn't hit as hard

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as it used to yeah i don't i don't imagine that

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it i'm gonna give you a one -way ticket to the

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moon there's a there's a joke and family guy

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about that where he says to the moon lois and

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she goes to the moon The joke here is that you're

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going to punch me so hard that my body leaves

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the atmosphere, flies into orbit. You think that's

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funny. Well, I don't now. It's wild that that

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was the basis for a great deal of our television

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these days. Doesn't that show we've made progress

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that those kind of sitcoms aren't as prevalent

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anymore? Absolutely. It's definitely a good time.

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We don't get as many of those anymore. All right.

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Well, then there we go. See? We're not back at

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the Stone Age. Yeah. A lot of people like to

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claim we are, but we aren't. When you think of

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a failed reboot spinoff, what do you think, what

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comes to mind first? How I Met Your Father. Yeah.

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I was going to put that on the list, but I haven't

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watched it. So, I... I have nothing to add to

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it except just the fact that I think one thing

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that always gets ignored whenever these, hey,

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we should do a reboot. Hey, our pockets are getting

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a little light. How can we inject some real quick

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cash without having to do any real work? If the

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original product soured people. to the whole

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product by the end, then maybe you don't want

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to have people relive that because then they're

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just going to remember how crappy the last product

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ended. Sure. And I remember that being my opinion

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whenever I heard that there was going to be a

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spinoff reboot, whatever, to How I Met Your Mother.

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It was not good. In my opinion, it was A, unnecessary,

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like all of the spin -offs and reboots are anyway,

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but it, for one thing, if you haven't watched

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it, not really worth it. It ends on a cliffhanger,

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so you don't know who the father is. They did

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kind of a My Name is Earl style ending thing

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where the showrunner was like, this is how I

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think things would have gone. And at least given

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the first two seasons, it makes no plot sense

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because the two characters that are supposed

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to end up together to create this hypothetical

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child that the mom is talking to in the end don't

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have like anything together. So it would have

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taken probably like a good amount of time for

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them to make any of that make sense or it was

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maybe going to be like a one night stand thing,

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which would have felt cheap at the end anyway.

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Yeah. It's just, it's not a good spin. Did not

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need to be made. And they pulled in some of the

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original cast members. So they had Kobe Smulders.

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A lot of Marvel money ran out. I mean, she was

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only Maria Hill. How much money do you think

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she was making? So they brought back in Kobe

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Smulders for Robin Trubatsky. They brought in

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Neil Patrick Harris as Barney Simpson. And I

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think they brought in one of the other ones.

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I don't know if it was Allison Hannigan or Jason

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Segel. No schmoesby? They did a couple of one

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-off cameos, and they weren't very long. They

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weren't just fan service, which, to be fair,

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most of this stuff is. But it didn't really try

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to establish itself as something else. It was

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just like, hey, do you remember? It's member

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berries. It's, hey, do you remember how I met

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your mother? What if that, but woman? And so

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the whole thing just fell pretty flat. It was

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just Ghostbusters. More or less, yeah. Yeah.

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But I think, especially, like you said, the end

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got soured for a lot of people. It's the same

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kind of problem, but the rewatch of How I Met

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Your Mother now feels a little bit different

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because all of the characters suck a lot more

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than I think most people realized going in the

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first time around. Is that because of societal

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differences? Like you just see them in a different

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light because of society and how it is now? Or

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is it just you are older and so you have more

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experience with maybe things that happen in the

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show and you're like, this is a total dick bag.

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I think it's a little of both. So as far as the

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Barney Stinson thing goes, like that was just

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a product of early 2000s TV. Especially because

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I think they thought that they could get away

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with more of it since Neil Patrick Harris was

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a gay man. And so they could just play him as

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just this monster to women. Yeah. Preying on

00:16:52.850 --> 00:16:55.870
the dumbest human beings that have ever walked

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the face of the earth. And every woman that's

00:17:01.409 --> 00:17:05.349
in that show that comes through is almost exclusively

00:17:05.349 --> 00:17:10.480
just The embodiment of a bimbo. Yeah. No shade,

00:17:10.579 --> 00:17:15.980
but it's lazy writing. It is. And Ted sucks.

00:17:16.779 --> 00:17:19.480
Ted sucks so much. It is a hill I will absolutely

00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:23.019
die on. And I think I remember watching it the

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first time around and feeling that he was just

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not a good guy. But you were supposed to be rooting

00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:31.160
for him because he was the main character or

00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:37.259
whatever. But he's not. No. He's extremely self

00:17:37.259 --> 00:17:40.759
-centered, self -serving, and tries to play it

00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:45.980
off as just being a hopeless romantic. It says

00:17:45.980 --> 00:17:51.299
something that his idol in the show is Woody

00:17:51.299 --> 00:17:58.319
Allen. So, you know. But side note about Schmosby.

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I was listening to an episode of Radio Rental.

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You know what that is? Uh, it's like, uh, people

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come on and tell like the actual, like scary

00:18:10.049 --> 00:18:13.369
paranormal stories about themselves. And it's

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hosted usually by Rainn Wilson as his character,

00:18:16.890 --> 00:18:21.349
Terry Carnation. But, uh, for whatever, huh?

00:18:21.950 --> 00:18:24.470
Terry Carnation? Is that from something or is

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that just his character? That's just his character.

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I don't know. And for whatever reason, he's been

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out for this. I don't know, past six, seven episodes.

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And there's a guest host. And this one, as soon

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as he started talking, I was like, that sounds

00:18:44.089 --> 00:18:46.549
really familiar. And then I was like, I know

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who this is. This is Schmosby. And it was Josh

00:18:49.190 --> 00:18:52.250
Radner. Nice. So that's what he's doing. He's

00:18:52.250 --> 00:18:56.329
doing fill -in spots on podcasts. Okay. He also

00:18:56.329 --> 00:18:59.990
has a podcast with one of the guys from Time

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at Mother, like one of the showrunners. Is that

00:19:01.859 --> 00:19:07.319
a rewatch podcast? How I Made Your Mother or

00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:11.319
something like that? It's a weird title. I don't

00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:14.579
know what the actual name is. That needs to be

00:19:14.579 --> 00:19:18.700
workshopped. How I Made Your Mother, yeah. I

00:19:18.700 --> 00:19:24.900
think one of the shows that is top of mind for

00:19:24.900 --> 00:19:28.940
me when I think of failed reboots is Arrested

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Development. Because I caught it in the early

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days of Netflix after it had made its run on

00:19:35.750 --> 00:19:39.369
TV and it would already have been canceled. And

00:19:39.369 --> 00:19:43.769
it is like one of the best written comedy shows

00:19:43.769 --> 00:19:47.130
I've ever seen. Seasons one through three. I

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mean, it did lose some steam season three because

00:19:50.170 --> 00:19:52.230
they knew that they were just having to throw

00:19:52.230 --> 00:19:54.529
everything at the wall to keep from being canceled.

00:19:55.069 --> 00:19:58.609
But like as far as the cast goes, it's like.

00:19:59.109 --> 00:20:05.049
one of the best ensemble casts. And I got real

00:20:05.049 --> 00:20:07.430
excited when Netflix announced that they were

00:20:07.430 --> 00:20:10.390
making a season four and that it would come out.

00:20:10.509 --> 00:20:15.410
And then I watched season four and I was no longer

00:20:15.410 --> 00:20:19.509
excited for season four because the problem they

00:20:19.509 --> 00:20:23.809
ran into was the fact that everyone in the core

00:20:23.809 --> 00:20:30.700
cast was very popular. Had lots of stuff going

00:20:30.700 --> 00:20:35.759
on after Arrested Development. And so that meant

00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:39.380
that they had crazy schedules. And so in order

00:20:39.380 --> 00:20:44.000
to compensate for that, they decided to do a

00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:49.480
disjointed season where it ended up being like

00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:53.720
vignettes that they just mashed together and

00:20:53.720 --> 00:21:00.110
hoped it would work. And it didn't work. Someone

00:21:00.110 --> 00:21:04.190
posted a video on YouTube of the entire season

00:21:04.190 --> 00:21:07.390
in chronological order where it made sense. So

00:21:07.390 --> 00:21:11.009
one thing led to the other and then so on until

00:21:11.009 --> 00:21:14.549
the season was over. And I never got to watch

00:21:14.549 --> 00:21:19.549
it because Netflix had it ripped down. But from

00:21:19.549 --> 00:21:24.190
everything I've heard, it made the season enjoyable

00:21:24.190 --> 00:21:28.569
and actually... something that you'd want to

00:21:28.569 --> 00:21:30.829
watch, but I'll never know because it doesn't

00:21:30.829 --> 00:21:33.069
exist anymore. I'm sure I could find some copy

00:21:33.069 --> 00:21:36.210
of it somewhere, but I'm not interested in that

00:21:36.210 --> 00:21:39.210
to that extent anymore. Back then I probably

00:21:39.210 --> 00:21:42.369
would have, but now I just, I don't really care

00:21:42.369 --> 00:21:46.470
enough to go hunt it down. There was talks for

00:21:46.470 --> 00:21:49.549
a little while that Netflix would release the

00:21:49.549 --> 00:21:55.089
cut in order to where it actually made sense,

00:21:55.130 --> 00:21:57.319
but I don't think they ever did that. Which sucks,

00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:00.099
because I mean, some of the best jokes on TV

00:22:00.099 --> 00:22:02.279
are from Arrested Development. And I'm sure there's

00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:04.740
something in, I'm sure there's plenty of stuff

00:22:04.740 --> 00:22:08.660
in Season 4 if you're willing to ride it out

00:22:08.660 --> 00:22:12.019
and if it didn't have the stink of just being

00:22:12.019 --> 00:22:17.660
ruined by what amounts to just greed. I remember

00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:19.559
watching Season 4, but I don't think I can tell

00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:22.759
you a single plot point in it. But I regularly

00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.099
quote the at least first season of Arrested Development.

00:22:26.569 --> 00:22:33.309
Like the dead dove don't open bag. Jason Bateman

00:22:33.309 --> 00:22:34.809
opens it and he goes, I don't know what I expected.

00:22:36.029 --> 00:22:40.750
It seems I blew myself prematurely. It's a banana,

00:22:40.950 --> 00:22:44.849
Michael. What could it cost? $10? That joke is

00:22:44.849 --> 00:22:49.930
about to get a little too real. One thing I'm

00:22:49.930 --> 00:22:52.450
banned from doing is whenever we're having finance

00:22:52.450 --> 00:23:00.759
talks and... There is a side of the conversation

00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:02.660
that's a little more pessimistic than the other

00:23:02.660 --> 00:23:06.259
side. And I just say there's always money in

00:23:06.259 --> 00:23:10.319
the banana stand. And one, she's never seen the

00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:14.619
show, so it makes no sense to her. And two, that's

00:23:14.619 --> 00:23:18.319
not what she wants to hear when it's financial

00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:21.299
panic time. Especially if you consider what happens

00:23:21.299 --> 00:23:28.420
to the banana stand. Oh, man. I wish I had a

00:23:28.420 --> 00:23:31.160
money -lined banana stand somewhere. For reference,

00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:33.140
don't they burn it down for the insurance money?

00:23:33.420 --> 00:23:35.119
Yeah, but then there was way more money in the

00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:36.640
walls. But the walls are lined with cash. Yeah.

00:23:39.980 --> 00:23:43.400
And then they go back and Michael's like, yeah,

00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:47.019
see, I took the hint. Burned it down, got the

00:23:47.019 --> 00:23:51.539
insurance money. And then George Sr. strangles

00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:54.720
him. God, it's such a great show. Such a good

00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:59.430
show. Check it out. Another one that I heard

00:23:59.430 --> 00:24:01.130
about afterwards because I was way too young

00:24:01.130 --> 00:24:05.130
when it came out to be able to enjoy it firsthand.

00:24:05.269 --> 00:24:07.690
But it's always it's been one of those ones that

00:24:07.690 --> 00:24:13.670
the show was such a Goliath that you you felt

00:24:13.670 --> 00:24:17.769
like anything that would be related tangentially

00:24:17.769 --> 00:24:22.809
would just take the take the helm and would just

00:24:22.809 --> 00:24:28.190
be. just as great. And that's the X -Files. Have

00:24:28.190 --> 00:24:30.890
you ever seen the X -Files? Are you a Mulder?

00:24:30.950 --> 00:24:35.170
Scully? I've seen a couple episodes, but I've

00:24:35.170 --> 00:24:38.029
never actually sat down and watched it. Well,

00:24:38.130 --> 00:24:40.650
if you're... I've talked about this before going

00:24:40.650 --> 00:24:43.970
back and watching early 2000s, 90s TV. I'm a

00:24:43.970 --> 00:24:48.349
big fan. This is like pinnacle, and it is well

00:24:48.349 --> 00:24:51.089
worth it. You'll see all kinds of people before

00:24:51.089 --> 00:24:57.589
they got their start. In the X -Files and one

00:24:57.589 --> 00:25:01.369
of the spinoffs, it's had a couple and then it's

00:25:01.369 --> 00:25:05.509
got movies, too. One of the spinoffs is called

00:25:05.509 --> 00:25:09.690
The Lone Gunman, which is based on this trio

00:25:09.690 --> 00:25:15.109
of people that help Mulder and Scully with their

00:25:15.109 --> 00:25:20.190
FBI work. And in the show, they're enjoyable

00:25:20.190 --> 00:25:22.650
characters like they have depth. They're not

00:25:22.650 --> 00:25:26.609
just. Hey, nerd, do this. Here you go. Got it.

00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:29.569
Let's go catch the bad guys like there's there's

00:25:29.569 --> 00:25:34.150
there's nuance to them. But they they can't they

00:25:34.150 --> 00:25:37.630
can't handle their own show like they they wouldn't

00:25:37.630 --> 00:25:41.690
have been able to for any extended amount of

00:25:41.690 --> 00:25:43.950
time be able to carry an entire show through

00:25:43.950 --> 00:25:46.349
a season and then to the next season into the

00:25:46.349 --> 00:25:52.660
next season. But that's not even what was. substantial

00:25:52.660 --> 00:25:55.880
about this spinoff. It lasted for one season.

00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.920
It aired 13 episodes. One particular episode

00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:06.500
came out on March 4th of 2001. You want to hear

00:26:06.500 --> 00:26:12.920
the plot to this episode? Yeah. The three protagonists

00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:17.000
who are collectively the lone gunman, they manage

00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:21.869
a website called The Lone Gunman. That's like

00:26:21.869 --> 00:26:26.150
a conspiracy website. Discover that there are

00:26:26.150 --> 00:26:29.109
members of the U .S. government that plan to

00:26:29.109 --> 00:26:34.789
hijack a plane that is flying into Boston, fly

00:26:34.789 --> 00:26:39.470
that plane into the World Trade Center and blame

00:26:39.470 --> 00:26:43.809
anti -American terrorist groups or let them claim

00:26:43.809 --> 00:26:49.289
responsibility for it in order to start a anti

00:26:49.289 --> 00:26:53.369
-terrorist. that they can then profiteer off

00:26:53.369 --> 00:26:58.430
of. That's fun. Yeah. Again, aired March 4th,

00:26:58.450 --> 00:27:04.950
2001. This actually aired? It aired. Yeah. And

00:27:04.950 --> 00:27:11.509
I mean, as far as things for your show to be

00:27:11.509 --> 00:27:14.569
known by, it's something that's going to get

00:27:14.569 --> 00:27:17.910
them talking about your show for forever. Yeah.

00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.220
you might get a few more knocks at the door from

00:27:21.220 --> 00:27:27.039
some people in black suits. Yeah. Oh, but yeah,

00:27:27.099 --> 00:27:31.680
I mean that, that to, to be coming from one of

00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.759
the biggest shows at the time, and then to have

00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:36.880
that be a plot point of your episode. And then

00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.339
six months later, that thing happens. It's, uh,

00:27:41.619 --> 00:27:46.680
I mean, it's one more mark in the, on the, uh,

00:27:47.949 --> 00:27:52.309
simulation side. I could see that, yeah. I've

00:27:52.309 --> 00:27:53.890
never heard of that show, so it's interesting

00:27:53.890 --> 00:27:57.069
that that's... The Lone Gunman. Yeah, check it

00:27:57.069 --> 00:27:59.990
out. And watch X -Files while you're at it. Yeah.

00:28:00.069 --> 00:28:03.990
It's Disney. I think it's on Disney now. It was

00:28:03.990 --> 00:28:11.630
a Fox show. So... Yeah, I mean, there's a...

00:28:11.630 --> 00:28:18.389
I mean, there's a laundry list of shows That

00:28:18.389 --> 00:28:24.049
have either had reboots or spinoffs that were

00:28:24.049 --> 00:28:26.369
just completely unnecessary. Did you know that

00:28:26.369 --> 00:28:30.869
there was like four Knight Rider spinoffs, reboots?

00:28:31.029 --> 00:28:37.369
The most most recent one was, I think, ended

00:28:37.369 --> 00:28:43.450
like two years ago. MacGyver had a reboot. Hawaii

00:28:43.450 --> 00:28:52.539
Five -0. Uh, you say, what'd you say? Oh yeah.

00:28:53.740 --> 00:28:59.099
Sean William Scott. Yeah. Damon. One of them.

00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.440
I think it's Damon. Never seen that, but Charlie's

00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:10.119
angels, Dallas, uh, charmed. Uh, what else was

00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.640
there? Just a whole list of, of shows that were.

00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:17.880
Unnecessary and not remembered for anything other

00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:21.119
than just being a crappy remake of a show that

00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:24.000
people liked at one point. I don't feel like

00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.079
you could necessarily talk about spinoffs in

00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.059
2025 without mentioning the Taylor Sheridan extended

00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:34.759
universe. That one's expansive and near and dear

00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.440
to our hearts since it films somewhere in the

00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.940
midpoint between the two of us. Their new one

00:29:41.940 --> 00:29:46.559
is filming in Alstrop? Some are like Dallas -ish.

00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:55.119
Hmm. I didn't know that. I've seen two episodes

00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:58.740
of Yellowstone. That's it. It gets pretty good.

00:29:59.180 --> 00:30:07.180
Yeah. I've just seen the memes. That's most of

00:30:07.180 --> 00:30:09.039
where my knowledge about Yellowstone comes from.

00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:12.859
How many shows does Tyler have? Taylor. Taylor

00:30:12.859 --> 00:30:16.839
Sheridan has. So off the top of my head, there's

00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:21.920
Yellowstone. There's 1883, 1923. There's about

00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.539
to be one. I forget what the name of it is. It's

00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:30.980
going to be Beth Dutton and Rip, who I think

00:30:30.980 --> 00:30:35.900
is like the, he manages like the farmhands, ranch

00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:42.400
hands. There's one called Madison. Madison something

00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.359
that filmed in downtown Fort Worth a couple years

00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:51.539
ago. Huh. He wrote the screenplay for Hell or

00:30:51.539 --> 00:30:54.859
High Water. That's like one of my favorite movies.

00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.940
That is a really good movie. Yellowstone, 1883,

00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:05.460
1923, Landman, Mayor of Kingstown, Tulsa King,

00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:13.740
Sons of Anarchy, Veronica Mars. Okay. Oh, he

00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:17.619
also wrote on CSI New York. And has sent several

00:31:17.619 --> 00:31:22.500
of his or not spin -offs. No. No, but I'm just

00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:26.819
curious. He leans into the cowboy thing pretty

00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:31.579
hard these days. Yeah. I mean, he owns Four Sixes,

00:31:31.579 --> 00:31:35.220
which is a pretty decent -sized ranch, and they

00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:40.700
make wines. Yeah. Those pre -mixed cocktail things.

00:31:41.390 --> 00:31:50.230
No, actually, the CSIs and the NCISs and the

00:31:50.230 --> 00:31:59.450
criminal minds is, yeah, those all have spinoffs

00:31:59.450 --> 00:32:04.569
out the wazoo. Yeah. Law and orders. Law and

00:32:04.569 --> 00:32:07.750
order. How could I forget law and order? Whenever

00:32:07.750 --> 00:32:12.289
I open up Paramount. I don't know which streaming

00:32:12.289 --> 00:32:14.809
service it is. The first thing that confronts

00:32:14.809 --> 00:32:19.250
me every single time I open this app is Christopher

00:32:19.250 --> 00:32:24.509
Maloney. Yeah. Just beaten up. He's in Law &

00:32:24.509 --> 00:32:28.970
Order Mafia. What? No, he's in Mafia. Like, he's

00:32:28.970 --> 00:32:31.250
in a spinoff now. He's in Law & Order, I think

00:32:31.250 --> 00:32:34.450
Organized Crime or something like that. He's

00:32:34.450 --> 00:32:38.410
not. Is he still in SVU? I don't think so. Huh.

00:32:38.549 --> 00:32:42.119
I think he left SVU a while ago, though. That's

00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.160
always been a rich kiss thing. Bless you. Yeah.

00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:55.240
I think one of my biggest things with these reboots

00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:02.319
and spinoffs is that they discount the importance

00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:08.920
of the cast. They discount the I guess the relationships

00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:12.579
that people build with these characters, and

00:33:12.579 --> 00:33:18.700
they also discount the timing. Because like you

00:33:18.700 --> 00:33:20.619
said with How I Met Your Mother, How I Met Your

00:33:20.619 --> 00:33:23.640
Mother was fine. That's why it ran for 10 seasons

00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.579
when it did. If it came out today, it would not

00:33:27.579 --> 00:33:30.319
hit the same way. It wouldn't have the same success

00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:36.079
because it's a timing thing. You have a spinoff.

00:33:36.349 --> 00:33:40.410
That is loosely based on that show, but you don't

00:33:40.410 --> 00:33:43.369
have the people. You don't have the same characters.

00:33:43.490 --> 00:33:46.750
The people don't have the same emotional attachments

00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:49.549
to these new people, so it's not going to be

00:33:49.549 --> 00:33:53.210
the same thing. And you think that that's just

00:33:53.210 --> 00:33:55.170
built in and these people are going to give it

00:33:55.170 --> 00:34:00.309
a chance, but we don't. Time is your most precious

00:34:00.309 --> 00:34:04.049
commodity. It's the only thing that when you

00:34:04.049 --> 00:34:08.289
run out of it, it's gone. You're gone. So people

00:34:08.289 --> 00:34:12.250
aren't existential. People aren't inclined to

00:34:12.250 --> 00:34:15.550
waste their time on something like this, trying

00:34:15.550 --> 00:34:20.030
to chase a feeling that they had before. And

00:34:20.030 --> 00:34:24.849
so I think that that's why in more recent years,

00:34:24.969 --> 00:34:31.690
there has been a turn away from that type of

00:34:31.690 --> 00:34:35.369
stuff, that there's been a turn away from reboots.

00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:41.599
And reimaginings and re -whatevers you want to

00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.880
call them. Spinoffs or spinoffs of a spinoff

00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.280
or anything like that. Because just people do

00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:49.860
not want to waste their time with those things

00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:56.320
anymore. Yeah. I think the existence of a spinoff

00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.920
is predicated on a couple of things. Either you

00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:03.900
are writing that like... nostalgia train until

00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:06.260
you can establish your own voice and people forget

00:35:06.260 --> 00:35:08.820
that they're watching a whole separate show that's

00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:10.960
when you throw in every cameo that you can think

00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:12.960
of that's when you bring in robin chabrowski

00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.539
and barney stenson or you try to make it so different

00:35:15.539 --> 00:35:17.519
that it's a completely separate thing and people

00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.760
are just like in it from the jump but i don't

00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.880
think a lot of the showrunners put in any effort

00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.559
when it comes to the thing because it feels like

00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:30.360
it's just you get to to kind of rest on your

00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:33.199
laurels and just rely on the original source

00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.199
material and it's just it doesn't especially

00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:39.320
in a lot of like how i met your mother or like

00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.500
cheers and stuff like those kind of like hangout

00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:45.039
places like friends you don't really get those

00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.460
anymore people don't hang out as much as they

00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:50.260
maybe did in the the 90s of the early 2000s in

00:35:50.260 --> 00:35:53.440
the same booth at a bar or the same couch in

00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.840
a coffee shop like the thing that made all of

00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:58.659
these relationships between the characters so

00:35:58.659 --> 00:36:00.920
rich was the thing that doesn't really exist

00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.280
anymore and so a lot of them try to like overcorrect

00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.619
and try to make it like remember how long ago

00:36:09.619 --> 00:36:11.599
this show was what if we brought it into the

00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:13.199
modern age so the thing that they're dealing

00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:18.219
with is bitcoin instead of uh like in like in

00:36:18.219 --> 00:36:19.820
the futurama reboot they have an episode about

00:36:19.820 --> 00:36:22.679
bitcoin in the new season which annoyed the hell

00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.610
out of me honestly Because it was just like the

00:36:26.610 --> 00:36:29.150
whole season felt like they were trying to pander

00:36:29.150 --> 00:36:33.510
to 2024, 23, whatever year it came out, people.

00:36:34.829 --> 00:36:37.309
Wouldn't Bitcoin have been around for quite some

00:36:37.309 --> 00:36:41.389
time? That's why that one annoyed me. The Futurama

00:36:41.389 --> 00:36:44.849
reboot was just, it felt like it was trying to

00:36:44.849 --> 00:36:46.389
modernize, but the whole point of the show is

00:36:46.389 --> 00:36:48.510
that it's a thousand years in the future. Yeah.

00:36:49.590 --> 00:36:53.590
It's not present day things that you're... mining

00:36:53.590 --> 00:36:57.570
bitcoin in the old west so silly i feel like

00:36:57.570 --> 00:37:02.050
if these if these studios gave these these ideas

00:37:02.050 --> 00:37:07.550
an ounce more of thought they would maybe move

00:37:07.550 --> 00:37:11.710
on to something a little more uh creative and

00:37:11.710 --> 00:37:14.769
less lazy but maybe not because i mean they they

00:37:14.769 --> 00:37:17.030
still they still get their money people still

00:37:17.030 --> 00:37:19.789
talk about these and even if you're talking about

00:37:19.789 --> 00:37:22.590
it in a negative light Engagement is engagement.

00:37:23.590 --> 00:37:29.349
Yeah. So remember that for anyone on. No, absolutely

00:37:29.349 --> 00:37:34.329
not. Don't promote that one. I'm saying from

00:37:34.329 --> 00:37:37.170
the creative standpoint, engagement is engagement.

00:37:37.269 --> 00:37:38.510
People are going to say what people are going

00:37:38.510 --> 00:37:44.130
to say. So if you are the creator. And someone

00:37:44.130 --> 00:37:48.809
says some things that are not too kind. Remember,

00:37:48.989 --> 00:37:52.599
engagement is engagement. Sure, yeah. And you

00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.800
can just ignore them. Because that usually makes

00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:57.719
those people mad. Oh, why won't you say anything?

00:37:57.980 --> 00:37:59.099
Why won't you say anything back? You don't have

00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:01.960
anything to say back, do you? I exist in the

00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.699
real world, unfortunately. Or at least in the

00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:13.699
part of the simulation. Yeah. In my humble, humble,

00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:21.289
humble opinion, the great Not the great, the

00:38:21.289 --> 00:38:25.610
goat. I did two things. I was going to use the

00:38:25.610 --> 00:38:27.110
acronym and I was going to say it all the time.

00:38:27.650 --> 00:38:37.010
The greatest to do it, the best to take a swing

00:38:37.010 --> 00:38:41.630
and knock it out of the park in three towns over

00:38:41.630 --> 00:38:50.300
was Better Call Saul. Okay. Breaking Bad was

00:38:50.300 --> 00:38:57.619
a great show. It was definitely a show of its

00:38:57.619 --> 00:39:02.500
time. I don't think that it would work now. But

00:39:02.500 --> 00:39:08.320
during its heyday, it was like peak television.

00:39:08.820 --> 00:39:11.420
And I think a lot of people consider it like

00:39:11.420 --> 00:39:19.679
the first entry in... No, because that would

00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:24.500
be like HBO. I guess outside of like HBO shows

00:39:24.500 --> 00:39:26.940
that throw millions and millions of dollars per

00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:32.599
episode. I think that Breaking Bad was like the

00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:37.400
first entry into like prestige television. And

00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:45.619
like movie level storytelling in a TV show. And

00:39:45.619 --> 00:39:51.880
in that show. Saul Goodman is a character that

00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:53.320
you want to know more about because you don't

00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:59.119
get much information. He comes in and then you

00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:05.099
just see where it all ends for Walter, but you

00:40:05.099 --> 00:40:11.570
don't see where it all ends for Saul. You get

00:40:11.570 --> 00:40:13.769
that in Better Call Saul, but not just that.

00:40:13.789 --> 00:40:16.150
You also get backstories of these other characters

00:40:16.150 --> 00:40:19.590
and how they enter into the story long before

00:40:19.590 --> 00:40:24.010
they meet Walter White. And it is such a well

00:40:24.010 --> 00:40:28.769
-made show that I would have no problem saying

00:40:28.769 --> 00:40:31.969
that Better Call Saul is a way better show than

00:40:31.969 --> 00:40:39.500
Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad loses its... Loses

00:40:39.500 --> 00:40:42.659
its grasp towards the end, like the whole reason

00:40:42.659 --> 00:40:47.460
that he's doing this is to. The reason he starts

00:40:47.460 --> 00:40:49.920
making and selling drugs is to provide for his

00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:53.780
family once he's diagnosed with terminal lung

00:40:53.780 --> 00:40:58.480
cancer. And then like halfway through the first

00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.280
season, that's just out the window and now he's

00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.739
just doing it because he loves the he loves the

00:41:02.739 --> 00:41:07.639
game. But with Better Call Saul. You know who

00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.280
he is throughout the whole thing and you see

00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:15.719
him slowly progress. And then at the end, he

00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:21.360
comes back around and he realizes the missteps

00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:27.480
he took on his path. And at the end, he finally

00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:34.920
pays for his sins. Unlike Walter, who never did.

00:41:35.539 --> 00:41:39.500
He just died. Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen

00:41:39.500 --> 00:41:42.219
that show, it's been off the air for like 11,

00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.559
12 years. I need to get back with a better call

00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:47.320
Saul. It was a really good show. I don't remember

00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.119
why I didn't finish it. Like I made it maybe

00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:56.800
like two seasons in. Yeah. But it's a really

00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.420
good show. Bob Odenkirk does a great job. He

00:41:59.420 --> 00:42:05.550
does. He does. And so not only. Not only do you

00:42:05.550 --> 00:42:11.429
see him change slowly throughout it, but you

00:42:11.429 --> 00:42:15.869
also see the external factors that caused him

00:42:15.869 --> 00:42:18.530
to be the way he is. Like his brother Chuck,

00:42:18.769 --> 00:42:25.570
one of the biggest a -holes on TV. And yeah,

00:42:27.210 --> 00:42:31.809
definitely check it out. Definitely. I'll have

00:42:31.809 --> 00:42:34.530
to get back into it. I've been in a kind of vacuum

00:42:34.530 --> 00:42:39.030
for shows right now because I've been I think

00:42:39.030 --> 00:42:40.590
I have like two episodes left with Common Side

00:42:40.590 --> 00:42:42.829
Effects, which is the one I'm watching now, but

00:42:42.829 --> 00:42:47.789
it's not another season for HBO shows. What is

00:42:47.789 --> 00:42:52.590
that? So Common Side Effects is a it's an animated

00:42:52.590 --> 00:42:56.710
show about a guy who finds a essentially like

00:42:56.710 --> 00:42:59.210
a cure -all mushroom in the Peruvian forest.

00:43:00.269 --> 00:43:03.849
And he's getting hunted down by different players

00:43:03.849 --> 00:43:12.530
in Big Pharma. Oh. Oh, no, the Aranyas. Aranyas,

00:43:12.550 --> 00:43:16.130
sorry. Not the spider people from Adam Webb.

00:43:16.329 --> 00:43:19.449
Oh, okay. Dang it. Thought there was a crossover.

00:43:20.210 --> 00:43:26.130
Not yet, at least. Maybe later. But now it's

00:43:26.130 --> 00:43:29.630
a new Mike Judge show, which actually. Oh. does

00:43:29.630 --> 00:43:33.030
bring me to one of the better spin -offs, or

00:43:33.030 --> 00:43:35.570
a better reboot, I think, which is the new King

00:43:35.570 --> 00:43:38.510
of the Hill. Yeah? Still haven't checked it out.

00:43:39.510 --> 00:43:44.250
It's good. I like it. Need to. It, I think, does

00:43:44.250 --> 00:43:46.670
the same thing that Futurama did, which is kind

00:43:46.670 --> 00:43:48.550
of the nail in the coffin for a lot of spin -offs,

00:43:48.590 --> 00:43:50.929
which is the, like, you're trying to modernize,

00:43:50.929 --> 00:43:53.670
but you're trying a little too hard. Yeah. So

00:43:53.670 --> 00:43:55.150
much so that you're not actually creating plot,

00:43:55.289 --> 00:43:57.639
you're just trying to, like, catch. the audience

00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.579
up on what's been happening to these characters

00:43:59.579 --> 00:44:06.559
in this time frame. And so I think it works better

00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:08.400
with King of the Hill because the whole point

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.900
of Hank Hill from the get -go was that he is

00:44:11.900 --> 00:44:15.639
this old -fashioned man. And it works that he's

00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:18.159
in 2025 and doesn't really understand anything

00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:21.739
about 2025. It did take a couple episodes, I

00:44:21.739 --> 00:44:24.559
think, to get its feet under it, but it's a pretty

00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.969
solid show. I like the new season. Let's check

00:44:27.969 --> 00:44:30.750
it out. I was very hesitant when they announced

00:44:30.750 --> 00:44:36.889
it. And that was always one of those shows like

00:44:36.889 --> 00:44:40.630
on lists for wish lists of shows to bring back

00:44:40.630 --> 00:44:45.030
was always King of the Hill. And I don't know.

00:44:45.110 --> 00:44:50.289
I'll check it out and report back. But I don't

00:44:50.289 --> 00:44:52.690
have high hopes for it. I still don't. I mean,

00:44:52.730 --> 00:44:56.480
I think that it could be like. I don't think

00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:57.659
that it's going to be something that I'm just

00:44:57.659 --> 00:45:01.619
going to turn off, but I don't think that I would

00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:06.400
enjoy it as much as the original series season.

00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.900
I think seasons. Yeah. I mean, it's impossible.

00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.059
I think for any reboot or spinoff to capture

00:45:13.059 --> 00:45:17.420
exactly what was great about the original. Yeah.

00:45:17.980 --> 00:45:20.179
Because you can't really successfully do that

00:45:20.179 --> 00:45:22.900
without. either doing that thing where you lean

00:45:22.900 --> 00:45:25.280
too hard into the original IP and so you're just

00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.940
pandering to people with nostalgia bait or you

00:45:30.940 --> 00:45:34.059
are creating something like if you have a different

00:45:34.059 --> 00:45:36.599
voice in it then it's going to create something

00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.780
different from the original and if you can kind

00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:43.320
of expect that and lower your expectations for

00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.840
it to be the same as the OG then it's easier

00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.260
to enjoy things but it's also it depends on how

00:45:50.260 --> 00:45:53.050
it's handled. By the people who make it. Yeah.

00:45:53.329 --> 00:45:57.250
And the release of that was marred by all the

00:45:57.250 --> 00:46:01.929
stuff that went down with Jonathan, I don't remember

00:46:01.929 --> 00:46:06.090
his last name. The guy that voiced Jonathan Redcorn.

00:46:07.610 --> 00:46:11.030
That's a weird story. I don't know if there's

00:46:11.030 --> 00:46:13.289
any resolution on it. I mean, that was like,

00:46:13.329 --> 00:46:16.909
what, probably six months ago back? No, it was

00:46:16.909 --> 00:46:18.989
more recent than that. It was a couple months

00:46:18.989 --> 00:46:26.840
ago. Jonathan Joss. Yes. June 1st, 2025. Yeah.

00:46:27.739 --> 00:46:33.239
I know this is not the point of anything, but

00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:37.920
I recognize him more as Ken Hotate than as Jonathan

00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:43.980
Redcorn. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I think

00:46:43.980 --> 00:46:45.820
that that's more because you actually saw him.

00:46:46.219 --> 00:46:49.320
There wasn't a voice. But if you close your eyes,

00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.659
then he sounds just like John Redcorn. And that

00:46:53.659 --> 00:46:59.039
allows me to springboard into the main reason

00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:04.380
for this episode. Because at the beginning of

00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:09.860
September 2025, there will be a show debuting

00:47:09.860 --> 00:47:15.000
called The Paper. And I could not be less excited

00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:21.699
for it. I've seen the previews now. I hadn't

00:47:21.699 --> 00:47:25.780
at first, but I just happened to see it and sat

00:47:25.780 --> 00:47:33.260
through it. And I don't know who it's for, what

00:47:33.260 --> 00:47:40.980
it's for, why it's for. I don't get it. I don't

00:47:40.980 --> 00:47:44.320
think that I could rewatch The Office. And I

00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:48.260
think, like... As far as the original goes, I

00:47:48.260 --> 00:47:49.820
don't think that I could rewatch it, and I don't

00:47:49.820 --> 00:47:52.139
know if that's because I watched it maybe too

00:47:52.139 --> 00:47:57.360
much when I was younger, or that the fandom has

00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.440
ruined it, or the people who made it and are

00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.539
still, hey, what if Stanley was in this Cheerios

00:48:04.539 --> 00:48:08.199
commercial? These people still exist as their

00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:10.579
characters, despite the show having ended 12

00:48:10.579 --> 00:48:13.880
years ago. Which is funny, because Dwight...

00:48:14.139 --> 00:48:20.900
rain wilson uh talks about how people will like

00:48:20.900 --> 00:48:23.739
walk up to him and say dwight and he was like

00:48:23.739 --> 00:48:26.699
that was a character i played x amount of years

00:48:26.699 --> 00:48:30.920
ago like i've i've done other things um so maybe

00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.679
give those a try and but meanwhile you have all

00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.539
these auxiliary characters like meredith and

00:48:37.539 --> 00:48:47.500
oscar and uh Angela, yeah. Doing a AT &T commercial.

00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:52.579
Working in an office. And this is like a recent

00:48:52.579 --> 00:48:53.960
thing. It's like from the past couple years.

00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.460
It's just, it's so oversaturated despite having

00:48:58.460 --> 00:49:01.179
ended so long ago that I just, I don't care anymore.

00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:06.639
I used to love that show. Well, the show, the

00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:10.000
paper, take away the fact that it's just the

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:16.079
office people. working at a newspaper. BuzzFeed?

00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:22.480
The show just doesn't have anything. And if you

00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:30.000
can't get a rough idea of what a show is going

00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.179
to be like when you watch an entire trailer for

00:49:32.179 --> 00:49:34.739
that show, that's not a good start. That's not

00:49:34.739 --> 00:49:41.340
a good thing. And The Office already had a spinoff.

00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:46.599
It's called Parks and Rec. That's the same exact

00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:50.300
show. Sure, but that's the same thing. It's the

00:49:50.300 --> 00:49:54.300
twin films, not a... But these are twin films

00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:59.400
by the same people. That's fair. So in all, it

00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:07.760
is 100 % a spinoff. Whether the people of Pawnee,

00:50:07.940 --> 00:50:11.619
Indiana bring up... Scranton, Pennsylvania or

00:50:11.619 --> 00:50:14.940
not. Or say, hey, yeah, I just went and bought

00:50:14.940 --> 00:50:21.239
a ream at Dunder Mifflin. Pawnee. But I still

00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.679
I don't know. And part of it was probably me

00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:27.639
just being so put off with the fact that this

00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:29.960
show was being made in the first place. But I

00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:33.420
don't know what the show's about. And they got

00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:38.789
the the dude from. Star Wars, General Cucks.

00:50:39.530 --> 00:50:45.949
Yeah. And yeah, I mean. Italian lady from White

00:50:45.949 --> 00:50:50.630
Lotus. And Oscar for some reason. Oh. Just Oscar.

00:50:51.369 --> 00:50:55.050
She's like the one with the mole lady? The manager?

00:50:55.730 --> 00:51:00.809
Yes. Oh. She's the Michael Scott of the new show.

00:51:01.130 --> 00:51:06.789
Oh. She's a. I'm pretty sure at least that was

00:51:06.789 --> 00:51:10.110
the gist that I got from the preview. Are you

00:51:10.110 --> 00:51:11.849
going to be watching it just like out of curiosity

00:51:11.849 --> 00:51:15.969
or are you just going to skip it? I'll watch

00:51:15.969 --> 00:51:18.570
the first episode just because I don't think

00:51:18.570 --> 00:51:22.010
it wouldn't be fair for me to come on here and

00:51:22.010 --> 00:51:25.449
say this show is going to be shit and not give

00:51:25.449 --> 00:51:28.030
it a try so that I can come back and confirm

00:51:28.030 --> 00:51:31.920
that the show is in fact shit. Sure. Yeah. So

00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.679
I will give it the first episode, maybe the second,

00:51:34.780 --> 00:51:40.360
and then I would feel that I would probably be

00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.860
done with it at that point. That's a fair assessment.

00:51:47.179 --> 00:51:49.559
I think you have to give all of these things

00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.559
at least a couple of episodes to see if they

00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.320
find their footing or not. Yeah. If they're trying

00:51:55.320 --> 00:52:01.019
to be their own show or if it's just just pandering.

00:52:01.980 --> 00:52:05.780
Can I give you a list of other upcoming projects

00:52:05.780 --> 00:52:09.960
and tell me what your interest level is? What

00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:17.599
is your scale for my interest level? We'll make

00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:22.079
it easy. One to five. One to five what? I need

00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:30.239
a unit. One to five... Rames of paper? Yeah.

00:52:30.730 --> 00:52:32.449
Yeah. So if you like it, you're going to give

00:52:32.449 --> 00:52:35.610
it five reams of paper. All right. What do you

00:52:35.610 --> 00:52:39.769
got? All right. Malcolm in the Middle. Life's

00:52:39.769 --> 00:52:45.590
still unfair. Zero reams? The entire point of

00:52:45.590 --> 00:52:49.250
the show was that he was a preteen teenager.

00:52:49.969 --> 00:52:53.849
Yeah. I don't need to know what he's up to these

00:52:53.849 --> 00:52:57.590
days. Especially the background of Malcolm in

00:52:57.590 --> 00:53:01.030
the Middle is so sad. Because Frankie Muniz was

00:53:01.030 --> 00:53:04.510
going through some things. He was also never

00:53:04.510 --> 00:53:08.969
the middle child. So... There was no middle child.

00:53:09.170 --> 00:53:11.030
Weren't there four of them? There was four of

00:53:11.030 --> 00:53:13.650
them from the beginning of the series. And then

00:53:13.650 --> 00:53:18.210
I think they had one more. So then Reese would...

00:53:18.210 --> 00:53:21.150
No. No, then... Then it would be Malcolm. Then

00:53:21.150 --> 00:53:26.940
he would be the middle. Yeah. So... I've never

00:53:26.940 --> 00:53:30.519
really sat down and watched it, but we started

00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.340
watching it with the kids, and that was the first

00:53:32.340 --> 00:53:34.940
thing I picked up on. This is called Malcolm

00:53:34.940 --> 00:53:36.820
and the Little because he's got middle child

00:53:36.820 --> 00:53:39.699
syndrome, but he's not the middle child. He kind

00:53:39.699 --> 00:53:41.199
of is because the oldest one doesn't live with

00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:45.280
them. He's not really a factor in the parenting

00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:51.780
dynamics. I guess. Yeah, if you want to look

00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:56.269
at it that way. I don't know. I mean, when the

00:53:56.269 --> 00:54:02.349
series starts, Reese had just not Reese. Whatever

00:54:02.349 --> 00:54:05.849
the oldest one's name is, had just recently been

00:54:05.849 --> 00:54:09.170
sent to military school. Yeah. And so there's

00:54:09.170 --> 00:54:11.809
not enough. There wasn't enough time there for

00:54:11.809 --> 00:54:15.789
him to have middle child syndrome. Yeah, that

00:54:15.789 --> 00:54:17.989
that does make sense, though, because that's

00:54:17.989 --> 00:54:20.349
the inciting incident of the show is that's when

00:54:20.349 --> 00:54:23.539
he becomes the middle child. The beginning of

00:54:23.539 --> 00:54:26.199
the show is him being the middle child. Maybe.

00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.699
Maybe I just misunderstood. I don't know. Then

00:54:29.699 --> 00:54:31.320
he becomes the actual middle child and they have

00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:35.780
a fifth one. Maybe. You might be right. You probably

00:54:35.780 --> 00:54:38.820
are. I don't know. It just threw me off. It threw

00:54:38.820 --> 00:54:44.099
me off. The show's decent enough. One ring of

00:54:44.099 --> 00:54:47.340
paper. They're not bringing back Bryan Cranston,

00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:51.880
I can't imagine. I don't know. I don't know.

00:54:51.900 --> 00:54:58.380
They did shoot something. It was like an auxiliary

00:54:58.380 --> 00:55:02.219
thing for Breaking Bad to where he wakes up next

00:55:02.219 --> 00:55:04.460
to Lois saying that he had this terrible dream

00:55:04.460 --> 00:55:07.800
where he got cancer and he had to make drugs

00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:12.739
in order to support the family. And so I don't

00:55:12.739 --> 00:55:16.380
know. Breaking Bad could technically be in the

00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:19.579
Malcolm in the Middle universe. And then Dewey

00:55:19.579 --> 00:55:24.210
grows up to be. Jesse Pinkman. Maybe. I don't

00:55:24.210 --> 00:55:27.210
know. So you're going to give it one? One ream?

00:55:27.289 --> 00:55:30.130
I'm going to give it one. Okay. Not excited for

00:55:30.130 --> 00:55:36.849
this one. What about a series based on Legally

00:55:36.849 --> 00:55:42.809
Blonde? After it got a sequel, and then another

00:55:42.809 --> 00:55:47.230
terrible sequel, and then a Broadway musical,

00:55:47.510 --> 00:55:50.429
and now a TV series. How do you feel about that?

00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:55.239
How many reams? I feel like this game is going

00:55:55.239 --> 00:56:01.039
to end up in a lot of ones. That said, if there

00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:03.480
is the involvement of either Reese Witherspoon

00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:05.599
or Jennifer Coolidge, then I'm going to give

00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:11.059
it... In what capacity? If it's just a brief

00:56:11.059 --> 00:56:14.800
cameo? If they have actual involvement in the

00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:19.480
plot. If it's the same as like a... Hey, remember

00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.159
Elle Woods? Then no. Isn't Jennifer Coolidge

00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.420
busy with, like, season 19 of White Lotus? Have

00:56:25.420 --> 00:56:27.099
you seen White Lotus? I haven't seen the most

00:56:27.099 --> 00:56:29.880
recent season. She won't be involved in the feature

00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:35.039
one. Oh, my God. Spoilers. Say why. Wow. Because

00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:38.320
she fake drowned in season three, right? And

00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.539
then came back for season four. She fake drowned

00:56:40.539 --> 00:56:44.659
in Italy after bonking her noggin. And then came

00:56:44.659 --> 00:56:49.260
back for the Walton Goggins season. She's not

00:56:49.260 --> 00:56:53.000
in the Walton Goggins season. Are you sure? Watch

00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:54.860
it and find out. Okay. I don't like the Walton

00:56:54.860 --> 00:56:57.460
Goggins season. No? I don't like the Thailand

00:56:57.460 --> 00:57:01.980
football. Do you like Walton Goggins? I do. Yeah.

00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:05.099
My birthday is coming up. I could use a... I

00:57:05.099 --> 00:57:09.019
could use a teen -jus shirt. A what? A teen -jus

00:57:09.019 --> 00:57:14.780
shirt. Teen -jus. Teenage Jesus. Teen -jus. Have

00:57:14.780 --> 00:57:17.639
you not watched Righteous Gemstones? No, we've

00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:19.320
talked about this extensively. Oh, man. I've

00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:21.460
still not watched the registration. Watch it.

00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:24.659
The kids are going to do a rendition of Misbehavin'

00:57:24.780 --> 00:57:31.079
at the wedding. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. With your girl.

00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:33.679
I've heard that song too many times. Yeah. What

00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:36.500
about Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Did you give

00:57:36.500 --> 00:57:40.119
me a ream count for Legally Blonde? Two. Two

00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:42.739
reams. Okay. Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Three.

00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:45.619
I really enjoyed the OG Buffy Vampire Slayer.

00:57:46.429 --> 00:57:53.670
Left be the Vampire Slayer. I like Angel, okay?

00:57:54.409 --> 00:57:58.210
Yeah. I would be interested to see what they

00:57:58.210 --> 00:58:02.789
do with a reboot. That said, I did just watch

00:58:02.789 --> 00:58:07.329
the reboot, sequel, whatever you would consider

00:58:07.329 --> 00:58:10.329
it of I Know What You Did Last Summer, and it

00:58:10.329 --> 00:58:15.070
stunk. The bees, oh. It stunk. Well, that's a

00:58:15.070 --> 00:58:18.519
bummer. Right now, you can get a skin pack on

00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:20.800
Call of Duty. I know what you did last summer.

00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:27.179
Yeah. Yeah. I'll be sure to let the people in

00:58:27.179 --> 00:58:30.659
my life to play Call of Duty now. Is Nate a COD

00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:35.539
man? He is, yeah. Yeah. Nice. Me too. Not so

00:58:35.539 --> 00:58:38.360
much these days, I don't think. He's been into...

00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:42.099
Battlefield. We did Battlefield for a while.

00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:48.619
Wow. For a bit. Wow. There's apparently a, I

00:58:48.619 --> 00:58:50.199
don't remember the name of it, but there's a

00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:56.579
SWAT simulator game that just came out. Guess

00:58:56.579 --> 00:59:05.739
we know who he voted for. What about Clueless?

00:59:07.260 --> 00:59:13.980
One. As if. One? One. One ream. No interest?

00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:22.260
The OG premise is weird. Like, if you think about

00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:25.320
it, it's a romance between a girl and her stepbrother.

00:59:26.059 --> 00:59:30.519
Hmm. I've never seen it. I've never had any interest

00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:35.960
in it. But I know that it was sure popular. That's

00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:39.880
weird. That is a main plot point in the movie.

00:59:42.569 --> 00:59:44.789
Alicia Silverstone ends up with Paul Rudd, who

00:59:44.789 --> 00:59:49.369
is her stepbrother. Oh. How do the parents feel

00:59:49.369 --> 00:59:53.690
about that? They kiss in the end of the movie,

00:59:53.730 --> 00:59:56.949
so I don't think that it's like a... I don't

00:59:56.949 --> 01:00:00.010
think they have enough time to establish familial

01:00:00.010 --> 01:00:04.769
dynamics afterwards, but it's an odd choice.

01:00:05.170 --> 01:00:08.230
I thought that would be worth a sequel. The Fallout.

01:00:08.929 --> 01:00:11.820
Yeah, maybe. From the step siblings falling in

01:00:11.820 --> 01:00:20.079
love. I knew a guy. I worked with. That. Yeah.

01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:26.320
Yeah. Mm hmm. She ended up pregnant. For some

01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:31.500
reason, it didn't work out. Yeah, he was disowned

01:00:31.500 --> 01:00:37.420
by the family. So I would say just just my opinion

01:00:37.420 --> 01:00:42.820
here. Maybe don't. Don't get with your stepsister.

01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:47.960
Definitely don't have a kid. And cannot imagine

01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:54.639
what those family dynamics are like. Yeah. I

01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:56.380
looked it up because it's been a while since

01:00:56.380 --> 01:00:59.820
I've seen Clueless. Apparently, Josh is, which

01:00:59.820 --> 01:01:04.440
is all red, is Alicia Silverstone's ex -stepbrother

01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:09.940
who is back from college. Okay. better but also

01:01:09.940 --> 01:01:15.480
not but they're living in the same house hmm

01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:20.780
I don't I'm not gonna rewatch the movie but weird

01:01:20.780 --> 01:01:27.099
the dynamic feels oh Cher and Josh were not close

01:01:27.099 --> 01:01:28.960
to each other as siblings and this perceived

01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:31.360
lack of a familial bond is the key reason why

01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.500
many viewers don't find their eventual romance

01:01:33.500 --> 01:01:36.920
problematic okay well if you have to qualify

01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:41.639
with they weren't close as siblings, you have

01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:47.579
lost the argument. What are you doing? Huh. That

01:01:47.579 --> 01:01:55.599
is something. Last one I have on this list is

01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:04.039
little HP himself. Harry Potter. Lots of hot

01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:10.139
opinions about this. Four? Four, because you

01:02:10.139 --> 01:02:11.920
want to see the train wreck? You want to see

01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:15.000
the carnage? Or four, because you're actually

01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:19.539
interested in what they will do with the series?

01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:24.400
Little of column A, little of column B. I think

01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:28.400
because the stakes are so high with Harry Potter

01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:31.579
IP. Granted, they did absolutely fumble with

01:02:31.579 --> 01:02:37.739
the Hogwarts Legacy game. I think because they

01:02:37.739 --> 01:02:44.000
have such a high responsibility and high expectations

01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.579
around it, that they're probably going to put

01:02:46.579 --> 01:02:50.840
more effort into its creation. I've also seen

01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.440
a good deal of the casting so far, and I really

01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:59.639
appreciate that it's not just a slew of all of

01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:01.539
these actors who haven't done anything since

01:03:01.539 --> 01:03:06.489
Harry Potter, just reprising their roles. like

01:03:06.489 --> 01:03:12.829
there's um warwick davis i think he was a professor

01:03:12.829 --> 01:03:15.789
flitwick is coming back but like the the kid

01:03:15.789 --> 01:03:19.050
casting looks good i remember seeing something

01:03:19.050 --> 01:03:21.469
about daniel radcliffe asking him how he felt

01:03:21.469 --> 01:03:23.250
about it and if he was going to be like a part

01:03:23.250 --> 01:03:25.869
of it he's like no i'm like i'm excited to get

01:03:25.869 --> 01:03:27.750
to pass the torch like this is this is their

01:03:27.750 --> 01:03:30.750
thing it's not mine anymore and i do really appreciate

01:03:30.750 --> 01:03:35.019
that it doesn't seem to be quite as much of that

01:03:35.019 --> 01:03:39.880
just like fan service nostalgia bait. What about

01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:45.559
rage bait? I think that anything that comes out

01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:48.179
of a J .K. Rowling IP these days is going to

01:03:48.179 --> 01:03:50.119
be to some extent rage bait. Oh, that's not what

01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:54.260
I'm talking about. I'm talking about when the

01:03:54.260 --> 01:03:56.639
first thing that they announced was the casting

01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:03.690
for Snape. I don't remember. Who is Snape? You

01:04:03.690 --> 01:04:05.809
could give me a thousand tries and I couldn't

01:04:05.809 --> 01:04:25.809
pronounce his name. But let me try. Yeah. That

01:04:25.809 --> 01:04:30.570
was rage bait. And people took it hook, line

01:04:30.570 --> 01:04:35.329
and sinker. It was meant to get people talking

01:04:35.329 --> 01:04:39.949
about this show. One thing that also came out

01:04:39.949 --> 01:04:47.269
was Chris Columbus, who did the first two. And

01:04:47.269 --> 01:04:51.030
I guess one of the greatest actors we've ever

01:04:51.030 --> 01:04:55.289
had. We have a whole day dedicated to him. We

01:04:55.289 --> 01:05:01.989
don't have that anymore. We don't celebrate the

01:05:01.989 --> 01:05:03.730
works of Chris Columbus these days. His name

01:05:03.730 --> 01:05:08.829
is not Indigenous Peoples. Yeah, so we don't

01:05:08.829 --> 01:05:10.650
celebrate anymore. I don't recognize him as a

01:05:10.650 --> 01:05:17.690
real holiday. He came out, he saw the wardrobe

01:05:17.690 --> 01:05:22.429
for Nick Frost as Hagrid, and he was like, that's

01:05:22.429 --> 01:05:26.969
just the same costume that we had in our movies.

01:05:27.659 --> 01:05:30.960
Like, I'm not sure what all this is for, even

01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.139
though he knows it's for money. But yeah, I mean,

01:05:35.139 --> 01:05:38.159
that's the sentiment that I have is just who

01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:42.360
asked for this and who is this for? I mean, I

01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:45.079
think there's probably a subset of people that

01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:47.519
will say, well, there's just so much from the

01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:50.079
books that they couldn't put in the movies. So

01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:51.820
now they can do that. But you know what? They're

01:05:51.820 --> 01:05:54.219
still not going to. You're about to irritate

01:05:54.219 --> 01:05:59.960
one of our listeners. I think a lot of the reason

01:05:59.960 --> 01:06:02.179
that I'm interested in seeing what they do with

01:06:02.179 --> 01:06:09.699
this is because it is near and dear to my household.

01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:16.039
It has become a holiday tradition to watch the

01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:20.119
Harry Potter films. And because, honestly, with

01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:24.280
the success of the Percy Jackson reboot, because

01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:27.789
I really love the way that they handled it. partially

01:06:27.789 --> 01:06:30.349
because of how poorly they handled the movies.

01:06:30.829 --> 01:06:33.150
I think that this one has the opportunity to

01:06:33.150 --> 01:06:36.789
do something really cool. Will it? Maybe. Maybe

01:06:36.789 --> 01:06:39.829
not. I don't know. But I am interested to see

01:06:39.829 --> 01:06:43.670
what they decide to do with it. I would much

01:06:43.670 --> 01:06:48.449
rather see a series around Potter Puppet Pals.

01:06:48.889 --> 01:06:52.869
If they could do all seven books. Seven. Snake.

01:06:53.610 --> 01:07:00.539
Dumbledore. Snake. From Weasley. If they could

01:07:00.539 --> 01:07:03.960
do all seven books like that, I'd be all about

01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:08.599
a show. But no, no one's asking for my opinions.

01:07:09.099 --> 01:07:11.739
I got great ideas and no one's coming to my door.

01:07:12.699 --> 01:07:15.239
Yeah. I mean, you could make your own Potter

01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:17.420
Puppet House. I don't imagine the production

01:07:17.420 --> 01:07:20.900
costs are all that high. Yeah, but how much do

01:07:20.900 --> 01:07:23.760
I have to pay to get the IP? Do something similar.

01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:25.980
Also, with Neil C. Suriga, I don't imagine a

01:07:25.980 --> 01:07:30.699
tongue. There are some wild pictures when you

01:07:30.699 --> 01:07:40.699
type in Black Snape on Google. So, four reams?

01:07:41.820 --> 01:07:48.780
Four reams. Yeah, I would give it a two. Yeah.

01:07:48.940 --> 01:07:53.280
All these other ones, I mean, I... I would probably

01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:57.280
give Malcolm the middle three. But all these

01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:01.139
other ones, I would I would give no reams of

01:08:01.139 --> 01:08:08.300
paper. Whatsoever. Yeah. There's going to be

01:08:08.300 --> 01:08:11.360
a spinoff that they thank you. Yeah, it's called

01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:14.440
Young Sheldon. Where you been? You're talking

01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:16.560
about the one with like the comic book guy and.

01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:21.850
They're going to Stuart his own show. I think

01:08:21.850 --> 01:08:25.270
he's one of the main cast, yeah. It's like four

01:08:25.270 --> 01:08:27.510
auxiliary characters that are getting their own

01:08:27.510 --> 01:08:33.630
show for some reason. Last thing I have is shows

01:08:33.630 --> 01:08:39.390
that had multiple iterations, multiple spinoffs

01:08:39.390 --> 01:08:43.529
off of one existing. What would you find out?

01:08:44.029 --> 01:08:46.390
The Untitled spinoff is currently in the works

01:08:46.390 --> 01:08:49.210
with Brian Posen, Lauren Lapkus, and Kevin Sussman.

01:08:49.770 --> 01:08:54.609
Yeah. Which are Stuart and the girl he maybe

01:08:54.609 --> 01:08:58.930
ends up with and the giant geologist dude who

01:08:58.930 --> 01:09:02.710
maybe ruined Nickelback for all of society. Yeah.

01:09:03.630 --> 01:09:09.130
I'll back. So have fun with that one. Shows that

01:09:09.130 --> 01:09:14.890
have multiple spinoffs off one initial show.

01:09:16.890 --> 01:09:19.170
Did you know that Saved by the Bell was a spinoff?

01:09:20.329 --> 01:09:23.989
No, of what? It was a completely different format.

01:09:24.010 --> 01:09:26.590
It was called Good Morning, Miss Bliss. It had

01:09:26.590 --> 01:09:31.529
Zach, but I think that's where the similarities

01:09:31.529 --> 01:09:34.930
ended. But that same character went to Saved

01:09:34.930 --> 01:09:41.529
by the Bell. And then Saved by the Bell had Saved

01:09:41.529 --> 01:09:44.010
by the Bell, the college years, and then Saved

01:09:44.010 --> 01:09:49.020
by the Bell, the new class. We already talked

01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:52.880
about all the NCIS, CSI, Law and Orders, and

01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:59.079
every spinoff there. But the granddaddy of them

01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:05.960
all, Happy Days. Did you know there were 255

01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:11.140
episodes of Happy Days? I did not. You want to

01:10:11.140 --> 01:10:13.819
know how many? Take a guess at how many spinoffs

01:10:13.819 --> 01:10:17.579
it had. Like genuine spinoffs, not like one -offs.

01:10:17.779 --> 01:10:24.500
Directly from... Yeah. Eight. Close. Six. Two

01:10:24.500 --> 01:10:28.420
of them were animated. The two animated ones,

01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:32.819
The Fonz and the Happy Days Gang. And then...

01:10:32.819 --> 01:10:37.340
Just Archie? I guess, yeah. Laverne and Shirley

01:10:37.340 --> 01:10:41.239
with The Fonz was also animated. But the live

01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:45.609
-action spinoffs were Laverne and Shirley. Blansky's

01:10:45.609 --> 01:10:48.810
Beauties, which I've never heard of. Mork and

01:10:48.810 --> 01:10:54.529
Mindy. Joni Loves Chachi. And did I get a typo

01:10:54.529 --> 01:10:57.130
on this one? Because that doesn't sound right.

01:11:00.409 --> 01:11:04.010
No, out of the blue. No clue what that is either.

01:11:05.229 --> 01:11:09.170
I mean, growing up, we caught some episodes of

01:11:09.170 --> 01:11:13.600
Laverne and Shirley. Mork and Mindy. I don't

01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:15.659
think we ever watched Joanie Loves Chachi and

01:11:15.659 --> 01:11:20.420
these other two I've never heard of. Yeah. But

01:11:20.420 --> 01:11:25.600
do you have any fondness for happy days? I remember,

01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:29.000
so like I watched a lot of TV with our parents

01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.760
growing up. And so I watched a lot of the like

01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:34.579
older things. I watched, I remember kind of like

01:11:34.579 --> 01:11:37.279
Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie. Gilligan's Island.

01:11:37.300 --> 01:11:39.359
Gilligan's Island kind of things, yeah. I love

01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:43.149
Lucy. And so like, oh yeah. I was a massive fan

01:11:43.149 --> 01:11:48.449
of I Love Lucy. I remember in that watching Happy

01:11:48.449 --> 01:11:51.289
Days, too. Happy Days and, like, All in the Family,

01:11:51.369 --> 01:11:52.909
Married with Children, all that stuff. But, like,

01:11:52.909 --> 01:11:56.130
I don't remember anything specific about it,

01:11:56.149 --> 01:11:57.710
so it wasn't one of the ones that really stuck

01:11:57.710 --> 01:12:00.590
around, like Gilligan's Island or I Love Lucy.

01:12:00.909 --> 01:12:04.229
Mm -hmm. But I also know it's cultural impact.

01:12:04.970 --> 01:12:08.609
Yeah, I mean, I remember watching episodes and

01:12:08.609 --> 01:12:13.899
being... relatively like way young and still

01:12:13.899 --> 01:12:18.260
like hearing uh our parents talk about like the

01:12:18.260 --> 01:12:22.180
fawns and how great he was and how cool he was

01:12:22.180 --> 01:12:25.460
and i was just like this but you could hit a

01:12:25.460 --> 01:12:28.220
jukebox and it would start playing you tell me

01:12:28.220 --> 01:12:31.960
that's not the epitome of cool uh one of my favorite

01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:35.300
scenes in one of the earlier family guys it might

01:12:35.300 --> 01:12:38.789
have been season one was him He has the Church

01:12:38.789 --> 01:12:41.989
of the Fonz. He punches the jukebox and his hand

01:12:41.989 --> 01:12:43.550
goes right through and he just starts spewing

01:12:43.550 --> 01:12:48.449
blood everywhere. But I mean, it's definitely

01:12:48.449 --> 01:12:52.390
it's a product of its time because that whole

01:12:52.390 --> 01:12:57.010
persona just doesn't work for me. And so much

01:12:57.010 --> 01:13:04.609
of the show is focused on the Fonz, Arthur Fonzarelli.

01:13:05.020 --> 01:13:08.560
Being like the coolest guy that ever lived. All

01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:11.579
you needed was a leather jacket and to say a

01:13:11.579 --> 01:13:15.659
lot. That just gave you the coolest. A switchblade

01:13:15.659 --> 01:13:21.260
comb. Yeah. But no, I think the biggest takeaway

01:13:21.260 --> 01:13:25.300
from that was one, that it had six individual

01:13:25.300 --> 01:13:32.159
spinoffs and two, that it ran for 255 episodes.

01:13:33.020 --> 01:13:36.789
Do you? Do you think that the term jumping the

01:13:36.789 --> 01:13:39.529
shark is still like a part of the zeitgeist?

01:13:40.810 --> 01:13:43.409
Like, I feel like I've used it, but I couldn't

01:13:43.409 --> 01:13:48.229
tell you the last time that I've actually. I

01:13:48.229 --> 01:13:49.770
don't know what it would have been replaced by.

01:13:51.430 --> 01:13:53.829
I mean, I would imagine would have just like

01:13:53.829 --> 01:13:56.109
fallen out. There wouldn't have been really a

01:13:56.109 --> 01:14:01.449
one to one. Well, but what would you like? What

01:14:01.449 --> 01:14:03.229
would you replace that situation by? Like, what

01:14:03.229 --> 01:14:06.770
would you? say it is like like when something

01:14:06.770 --> 01:14:12.449
gets so big and oversaturated that they have

01:14:12.449 --> 01:14:16.789
to start the create these create crazy plots

01:14:16.789 --> 01:14:20.770
in order just to have something to escalate to

01:14:20.770 --> 01:14:24.869
well i mean the point of jumping the shark was

01:14:24.869 --> 01:14:27.850
that you get i thought the point of jumping the

01:14:27.850 --> 01:14:29.430
shark was the same as like jumping the gun essentially

01:14:29.430 --> 01:14:34.619
that you just went like ahead of no no No, jumping

01:14:34.619 --> 01:14:37.180
the shark is that when you get so big and there's

01:14:37.180 --> 01:14:40.199
nowhere else to go to that the new level you

01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:43.260
have to go to is so ridiculous that that's your

01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:46.840
dying off point. So something near and dear to

01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:49.720
both of our hearts, I think the alternative to

01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:53.840
jumping the shark is flanderization. Yes. There

01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:58.260
is a good bit of study behind what happened with

01:14:58.260 --> 01:15:03.109
the Simpsons. Specifically the characters of

01:15:03.109 --> 01:15:08.489
Homer and Ned. With Homer, it's this kind of

01:15:08.489 --> 01:15:11.630
stark contrast of OG Homer to new Homer where

01:15:11.630 --> 01:15:14.869
he did stupid things because he's an idiot. But

01:15:14.869 --> 01:15:17.229
he didn't do anything with malice. He just did

01:15:17.229 --> 01:15:20.029
a bunch of things that ended up negatively affecting

01:15:20.029 --> 01:15:21.850
the people that he loves. And so he spends the

01:15:21.850 --> 01:15:23.729
back half of every episode trying to make up

01:15:23.729 --> 01:15:25.329
for the fact that he did something stupid on

01:15:25.329 --> 01:15:31.819
accident. Later on, he just does stupid, mean

01:15:31.819 --> 01:15:34.319
things to his family because it doesn't seem

01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:36.699
like he cares about them or their well -being

01:15:36.699 --> 01:15:39.479
anymore. For the same reason that, like, Flanderization,

01:15:39.659 --> 01:15:42.640
he was this, like, at the beginning, this well

01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:47.060
-rounded, like, very devout person, but he had

01:15:47.060 --> 01:15:50.479
a whole family, a whole personality, a whole

01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:54.180
existence outside of his belief in God. He was

01:15:54.180 --> 01:16:00.199
a straight man. Yeah. Damn. And he had the leftorium.

01:16:00.300 --> 01:16:03.020
He had Maude. He had all of this stuff. And then

01:16:03.020 --> 01:16:05.140
eventually it just became a caricature of a Christian.

01:16:05.659 --> 01:16:10.439
And he lost every bit of his personhood so that

01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:13.619
he could be this foil to Homer's shenanigans.

01:16:14.460 --> 01:16:22.739
Yeah. Fanatic. Obsessed in the same way Homer

01:16:22.739 --> 01:16:31.000
is obsessed with like self -serving tasks that

01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:35.380
was the same fervor that Flanders would put into

01:16:35.380 --> 01:16:40.020
judging everyone because of his belief, because

01:16:40.020 --> 01:16:44.560
of Christianity, and holding himself in higher

01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:46.800
esteem because he was a Christian and all these

01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:52.399
other people weren't, and schooling Reverend

01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.470
Lovejoy. To the point where Reverend Lovejoy

01:16:55.470 --> 01:16:58.710
just wants nothing to do with him and gets annoyed

01:16:58.710 --> 01:17:01.130
every time he has to have any conversations with

01:17:01.130 --> 01:17:05.449
him. So, no, I yeah, I mean, you get up to a

01:17:05.449 --> 01:17:08.569
point and then once you get to that that pinnacle,

01:17:08.750 --> 01:17:11.489
there's nowhere to go but down. And it just so

01:17:11.489 --> 01:17:15.609
happened that whatever episode towards the end

01:17:15.609 --> 01:17:21.409
of Happy Days, there was a plot point where Arthur,

01:17:21.630 --> 01:17:29.250
the Fonz, Fonzarelli. Was was on skis on a lake

01:17:29.250 --> 01:17:36.329
and had went up a ramp over some sharks and survived.

01:17:36.409 --> 01:17:43.090
And that I don't know what were the what was

01:17:43.090 --> 01:17:48.949
the lead up and what was the outcome to the jumping

01:17:48.949 --> 01:17:53.359
the shark moment. I don't think most people care

01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:56.960
because all they hear is that dude in a leather

01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.859
jacket, water skiing. Was he in like a leather

01:17:59.859 --> 01:18:03.739
wetsuit? No, no, it was a full leather jacket,

01:18:03.899 --> 01:18:09.859
water skiing over some sharks. And at the end

01:18:09.859 --> 01:18:11.680
of the day, the reasoning for it doesn't really

01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:15.060
matter because all people remember about it is

01:18:15.060 --> 01:18:17.479
the jumping the shark. And then that became its

01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:24.640
own, its own thing. Reason for the term being

01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:29.159
used so prevalently now or maybe not now. Maybe

01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:33.960
everything is just flanderized now. But speaking

01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:37.119
of a nice little bow for the end of this episode,

01:18:37.619 --> 01:18:41.579
The Simpsons was a spinoff of the Tracy Ullman

01:18:41.579 --> 01:18:46.100
show. And she tried to sue The Simpsons and it

01:18:46.100 --> 01:18:49.140
did not work. I think they actually ended up

01:18:49.140 --> 01:18:53.090
coming to terms out of court. But, yeah, she

01:18:53.090 --> 01:18:56.609
was pretty pissed when they had success long

01:18:56.609 --> 01:18:59.029
after her show was over because it started out

01:18:59.029 --> 01:19:04.689
as a short on the Tracy Allman show. Man, if

01:19:04.689 --> 01:19:07.609
she had won that court case. She'd be rolling

01:19:07.609 --> 01:19:11.029
in it. Maybe just take half a percent of the

01:19:11.029 --> 01:19:15.670
merchandise profit and be set for life. For sure.

01:19:16.630 --> 01:19:19.550
Even these days, it's insane what they're capitalizing

01:19:19.550 --> 01:19:26.510
on. Well, you got anything else to add? I do,

01:19:26.609 --> 01:19:31.609
actually. One little decent -sized tangent. Do

01:19:31.609 --> 01:19:36.350
you know who Tommy Westfall is? Is that from

01:19:36.350 --> 01:19:44.109
St. Elsewhere? Yes. Are you familiar with the

01:19:44.109 --> 01:19:48.130
extended Tommy Westfall universe? With the autism

01:19:48.130 --> 01:19:53.010
and the snow globe? Yes. Yes. But for those not

01:19:53.010 --> 01:19:57.170
in the know, could you please explain? So this

01:19:57.170 --> 01:20:02.909
is the king of all spinoffs. Tommy Westfall is

01:20:02.909 --> 01:20:06.390
in... Well, let me pull up the thing because

01:20:06.390 --> 01:20:10.149
I have it in front of me. In the show's final

01:20:10.149 --> 01:20:12.010
episodes, the final episode of St. Elsewhere,

01:20:12.109 --> 01:20:14.970
it's revealed to the viewers that everything

01:20:14.970 --> 01:20:19.310
in the show had happened in Tommy Westfall's

01:20:19.310 --> 01:20:22.859
snow globe. The twist raised the possibility

01:20:22.859 --> 01:20:25.960
that the entire series was a dream, but because

01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:28.079
St. Elsewhere crossed over with other television

01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:31.399
shows like Cheers and Homicide Life on the Streets,

01:20:31.500 --> 01:20:34.600
those are also considered a part of Tommy's imaginary

01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:38.539
world. So by extension, if Cheers is connected

01:20:38.539 --> 01:20:40.880
to Frasier, Frasier is connected to Wings, then

01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:45.159
those shows are also included. Detective John

01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:47.460
Munch, who originated in Homicide, makes an appearance

01:20:47.460 --> 01:20:50.810
in Law & Order, X -Files, and The Wire. Which

01:20:50.810 --> 01:20:53.810
means that there's just this massive, massive

01:20:53.810 --> 01:20:58.189
interconnected web of TV shows that all, by extension,

01:20:58.270 --> 01:21:01.149
exist inside of Tommy Westfall's snow globe at

01:21:01.149 --> 01:21:06.130
the end of St. Elsewhere. If you pull that thread,

01:21:06.310 --> 01:21:11.449
as far as it goes, there is an absolutely insane

01:21:11.449 --> 01:21:17.970
amount of gray area. The final takeaway is somewhere

01:21:17.970 --> 01:21:23.939
between... 200 shows and 450 to 500 shows that

01:21:23.939 --> 01:21:27.720
are all inside of the snow globe which i believe

01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:32.060
the basis of the simulation theory but now it

01:21:32.060 --> 01:21:34.000
is it's a really interesting theory if you go

01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:37.800
into there's a like family tree kind of thing

01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:40.119
where it branches off all of the shows that come

01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:43.140
from this snow globe it's actually pretty interesting

01:21:43.140 --> 01:21:47.539
i won't go into all two to five hundred shows

01:21:47.539 --> 01:21:54.640
but That is. It's it's fun. It's funny because

01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:59.720
it the ending on its own just feels like a give

01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:02.899
up. Like, OK, how are we going to end this series?

01:22:03.140 --> 01:22:07.039
How are we going to end this series? OK, just

01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:13.500
spitballing here. So. Kid Tommy. Autistic. We

01:22:13.500 --> 01:22:15.420
can make up whatever rules we want with that

01:22:15.420 --> 01:22:17.579
because it's the 90s. No one knows what autism

01:22:17.579 --> 01:22:22.439
means. He has a snow globe. We slowly, last scene

01:22:22.439 --> 01:22:25.539
of the show, we slowly pan out from the set.

01:22:25.699 --> 01:22:30.220
Pan out, pan out, pan out. Boom. It was all in

01:22:30.220 --> 01:22:35.159
the snow globe. Cut to black. And then someone

01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:40.180
said, I have nothing better. So I guess that's

01:22:40.180 --> 01:22:41.920
what we'll do. Someone else on the spectrum.

01:22:42.539 --> 01:22:46.699
And then it turned out to be like this massive

01:22:46.699 --> 01:22:49.279
thing that is still being talked about because

01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:55.300
of this one throwaway idea that they decided

01:22:55.300 --> 01:22:56.840
to go with because they didn't have anything

01:22:56.840 --> 01:23:00.960
else. And I've never seen St. Elsewhere. I know

01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:04.619
that Denzel was on it for a little while, like

01:23:04.619 --> 01:23:08.800
a lot of a lot of bigger people. And yeah, the

01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:10.859
only thing I can tell you is about Tommy Westfall.

01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:15.979
And his autistic snow globe. If you have an idea,

01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:20.840
if you have something original working around

01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:24.520
in your brain, do your best to make it. We need

01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:29.439
more original things. It's just, it's ridiculous

01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:33.579
what we're up against these days. If you have

01:23:33.579 --> 01:23:36.359
a weird idea, everything is someone's thing.

01:23:36.619 --> 01:23:40.279
Make your weird thing. Take a risk. Within reason.

01:23:41.229 --> 01:23:45.470
Take a risk. Not a blanket endorsement. It's

01:23:45.470 --> 01:23:51.250
better to take a risk and it pay off than play

01:23:51.250 --> 01:23:57.789
it safe and be creatively bankrupt. That's my

01:23:57.789 --> 01:24:00.390
thing for the week. I'm glad we came around on

01:24:00.390 --> 01:24:04.869
that one. All right. And with that, make sure

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