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grooming is the big conversation hmm like like

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clean shaving or not i thought we were past that

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i thought we're like beards all the way mustaches

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are making a comeback shave your beard you hippie

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never yeah i know not not ever i've seen the

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the before and afters the beard suits you five

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four three two one zero Welcome to the show,

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people. Welcome to the show. Eat my shoes. So

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here is to conversation. Tranquility Base here.

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The Eagle has landed. Welcome to the Cash Exchange.

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Hey, what's up? How have you been? I see you're

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wearing some new merch. Not ours, unfortunately.

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Wearing my merch? Yeah, not yet. We're not there

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yet, but we'll get there. Yeah, this is my Bigger

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and Weirder shirt from the tour stop I was at

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on Saturday. I've never experienced FOMO like

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when I heard that you were getting Weird Al tickets

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for you and the fam. It's fine. We took the whole

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plan. Did you tell dad? No, I haven't yet. I

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don't know how he'll feel. Glad that someone

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is giving to live out his dream. If you hadn't

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been so far away, then you could have taken Emily's

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ticket. Yeah, she not a big weirdo person? No,

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no. She's not a Yankee. I guess that's what,

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is that what we're called? Yeah. Yankees? Weirdos?

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Weirdos feels pretty apt. Okay, there we go.

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That's better. Have the kids enjoy it. Well,

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Max. was treating it like a movie he just stayed

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in a seat the whole time they did some interspersing

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with uh so like whenever he went to go change

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costumes they would play like just clips from

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his entire career okay like stuff that he was

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in him or stuff where he was mentioned and uh

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he thought those were really funny yeah he didn't

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really get into the music because we didn't tell

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him we bought him last minute we didn't tell

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him what we were doing emily made shirts for

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everyone and we gave them to him when we pulled

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into the parking lot And they said, why do these

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have Weird Al lyrics on them? And then we're

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like, well, where do you think we are? And Cooper's

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like, oh, we're going to see Weird Al. I almost

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disowned her. But the first song he did was Tacky,

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and she was all about it. I like that album.

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And then he did whatever his most recent polka

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is with Bad Guy. uh shake it off she was real

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into that i would imagine she made it she made

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about halfway through the show before she fell

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asleep impressive and we tried to wake her up

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for um ebay and amish paradise and uh one more

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white and nerdy yeah the real show he went and

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uh He said goodnight to the crowd and everything.

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And Mac said, okay, is it time to go? I said,

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no. You wait until they turn the house lights

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on. That's when it's time to go. Because otherwise

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they're going to be coming back out for more.

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Well, how do you know that? I was like, because

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it's happened at every single concert I've ever

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been to. Since the beginning of time, yeah. Yeah.

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And so we sat there and all of a sudden this

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guy in a big robe comes out. and starts getting

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the crowd pumped up. And then behind him, just

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a line of stormtroopers and Darth Vader. You

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almost missed a Saga Begins. Almost, yeah. Well,

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I didn't. I knew something was coming. I knew

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he was going to play it at some point. But, yeah,

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he did Saga Begins, and then he did Yoda. That

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was his last song. Oh, nice. And Max, whenever

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we left, said he thinks he liked this concert

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more than Cody Jinks. I would hope so. And then

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Cooper. This is generations of fandom culminating

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in one night. There were a lot of clips from

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Weird, the Al Yankovic story. And so I said,

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have y 'all seen that? Like, no. Okay, we'll

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watch it tomorrow. And so yesterday. I put it

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on, and halfway through, Cooper was, like, sitting

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on my lap. She said, hey, can I go change clothes?

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I said, yeah, I guess. Why? Okay, I'll be right

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back. And then she grabs her bigger and weirder

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shirt and puts it on and watches the rest of

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the movie with us. Raising them right. At least

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one of them. Life -changing. One of the happiest

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moments of my life. Yeah? Yeah. Somewhere in

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between the second and third birth that I witnessed.

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Somewhere in there. Wow. Maybe between first

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and second. Wow. I don't know. Okay. Are we actually

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ranking them in order of births? Because I feel

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like you can't be that transparent on your favorite

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kids. Just been diminishing returns. Sorry, guys.

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Shouldn't have been born third. I mean, they

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all had their standout moments. One was au naturel,

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and that's something to witness. Yeah. One had

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to make a fourth quarter call. Yeah. And then

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one was just a scheduled slice and extract. That

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is a horrifying way to phrase that. So, I mean,

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I guess as far as levels of trauma, I'd probably

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go natural emergency cut and planned cut. You

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know, I'm glad that you can express these in

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levels of trauma as the person who didn't expel

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a human being from their body. There's a thing

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going around the internet about how... Women

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are saying that childbirth is like getting kicked

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in the balls over and over and over again for

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nine months. And a lot of men bring up a very

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good point that when a man gets kicked in the

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balls, he doesn't ask to be kicked in the balls

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again. He doesn't ask to say, yeah, yeah, go

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ahead. Do it again. Do it again. Please. Yeah.

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There's a void in my life that I need to fill

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by getting my balls kicked in for nine months.

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So I'm just saying that's a bad analogy. It is

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not. There might be something else, but that's

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a bad analogy. I mean, as of the moment that

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it happens or the process of it happening, I

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feel like that's valid. The fact that you get

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a child out of one of them and you get some bruising

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maybe out of the other one. You get testicular

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cancer out of the other one. You get testicular

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torsion. Does that happen because of getting

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kicked? I don't feel like that's a cause and

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effect situation. I don't think you can kick

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cancer into... If you are kicked for nine months

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straight in a very sensitive part of your body,

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one, you're going to lose feeling in it. Two,

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you're going to lose functionality in it. And

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three... You definitely spike your chances of

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testicular cancer. I don't think that's true.

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Or testicular torsion. I agree on the second

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front. I think cancer does not care how many

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times you've been kicked in the balls. Look at

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Steve -O. We don't know that he doesn't have

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testicular cancer. Do you think he wouldn't make

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it public if he had testicular cancer? They'd

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seem like a real no -holds -barred kind of group.

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I don't know. He's sober now, so maybe he likes

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to keep some of that a little close to the chest.

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You know what? Maybe. Regardless, I don't think

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that's how that works. Regular cannabis use has

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been linked to testicular cancer, especially

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in younger men. I have so many questions as to

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why that happens. Yeah, I don't know. We're off

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to a great start here. I'm one to admit when

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I'm not right about something, I don't think

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this is one of those times. Okay. You can feel

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free to die on that hill. I will. I will. All

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right. And on a very far departure from that

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conversation, do you want to know what your three

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things are today? I would love to know what my

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three things are today. Your three things today

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are DiGiorno tweets, Yoko Ono, and celebrity

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covers of Imagine. Hmm. DiGiorno, as in it's

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not delivery, it's DiGiorno? Mm -hmm, that one.

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Okay. I do have a more specific version of that,

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but you can go ahead and try with this one. We'll

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see if you need the extra help. Okay. Yoko Ono.

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Screaming. Hang her on her. Beatles imploder.

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Sure. And then celebrity imagine cover. So bringing

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it back to, okay, we got two for, is there something

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I don't know about a connection between DiGiorno

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and John Lennon? You know, I'm not here to speculate,

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but I'm not saying no. Oh, oh, ooh. We're truthers

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on this podcast. Abominous. I don't know if John

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Lennon. predates DiGiorno, but I do know that

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he predates tweets. Unfortunately, he's not a

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tie -in on this one. Unless... Unless he faked

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his death. And that's the reason that Mark David

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Chapman is out today, because he didn't actually

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kill anyone. Is he out? I didn't know that. Is

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he? Or am I thinking of the other one? Am I thinking

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of the Nixon one? Or not Nixon. Reagan? The one

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who's trying to get Jodie Foster's attention?

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Which one's John Hinckley? Jodie Foster. No,

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John Hinckley is... That's the Reagan one. John

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Hinckley is? Yes. Okay. Mark David Chapman was

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Lenin. Maybe he just got out because he didn't

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kill anyone. He shooted a president, though.

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I think that... I think that's a kind of one

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and done thing, isn't it? Should be off the table,

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but I don't know. It's a compelling enough reason

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he got attention from Jodie Foster. It kinda

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worked. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that, uh...

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I think he was barking up the wrong tree on that

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one. Perhaps. Who's to say? He was willing to

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try to assassinate a president to get a celebrity's

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attention, so... I'm not sure all of the... the

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gears were working right anyway. But that is

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dedication. You can... You can't appreciate the

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hustle. Yeah. Can you? Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever

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had someone try to assassinate a president for

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your love? I can't say that I have. I think maybe

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you just haven't met the right person. I'll let

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him know. You don't really love me unless you

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try to assassinate a leader for me. It's a step

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beyond. I would take a bullet for you. It's I

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would give a bullet for you. Is that a step beyond?

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I think it is. Is it better to... That is even

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more. How... One of them is actively protecting

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me. What is the other one doing? Showing that

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I would commit regicide for you. Regicide? Regicide,

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yeah. I think technically it's when you try to

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kill a king. Or you try to kill a monarch. But,

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I mean, though he's not a king. He's not a king.

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I'm not saying Trump's a king. We had those protests.

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No king. We woke up the next day and still didn't

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have a king. But I think in this instance, it

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would still be an instance of regicide. Okay.

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Maybe. Not. Not going to get political on this

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one, but I don't think it is a one -day process

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of you just deciding that you're going to be

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a king. We do have a guest for this podcast that

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might have something to weigh in on on that one.

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Hmm. I'd rather not. I'm not going to phone a

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friend. I think she might turn this podcast in

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a different direction. She might mad -ow it all

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up. She doesn't have a haircut. I think the power

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comes from the haircut. Anyways. Alright, so.

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Imagine. By. I wonder how many people. I wonder

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how many people remember the entire context of

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that situation. How many people remember that

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everyone was locked in their house. Because of

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the roni. And. These people. Like we were losing,

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people were losing their houses. People were

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not being able to afford groceries. Grocery stores

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were bare for whatever reason. Every store in

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the entire country was out of toilet paper because

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everyone decided that's what we were going to

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make a run on. Amen. When you're up Schitt's

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Creek, bounce. I just. How many people remember

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the full context of when that video came out

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and just how idiotic it all seemed? And how they

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just really needed to read the room. You can't

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read the room from a million dollar kitchen.

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Same. Do you remember everyone that was in it?

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The big ones I remember are Gal Gadot. Because

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it was her brainchild, I think. And the audacity

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of that woman who has a difficulty delivering

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lines. Hello, no. With enough champagne to fill

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the Nile. I've watched that video way too many

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times. For her brainchild to be, I'm going to

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sing this song, and I'm going to get all my buddies

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to sing it too. It's something. It's something

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else. And then Aaron Paul, which like, man, Breaking

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Bad's over. I'm sorry. But this isn't it. This

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isn't what you're looking for. This isn't going

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to be how you get your star to shine. Again,

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and then another one was just Sarah Paulson.

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He was in deep on BoJack Horseman at that point.

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So I think he was still doing things. Was he?

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He also had El Camino. He did. Aaron Paul was

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still relevant at that point. Frivolous. El Camino

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was kind of frivolous. Unnecessary. He was also,

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I found out when we were watching Weird, the

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Al Yankovic story was The movie was based on

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a short starring Aaron Paul as Weird Al. Weird.

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And he's supposed to reprise his role for the

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movie, which I'm glad he didn't because Daniel

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Radcliffe did a great job. He nailed it. But,

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yeah, he got the Rona, and so he couldn't. Oh.

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So Daniel Radcliffe stepped in. Only took 14

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days of him filming. That makes total sense.

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You know, there's an episode of Family Guy where

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they do like the three different stories and

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it's musicians. Yeah. So they do like Elton John,

00:17:50.539 --> 00:17:53.880
The Doors, stuff like that. The one where they

00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.079
have The Doors reminds me so much of the movie

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Weird, the Al Yankovic story. Because Jim Morrison

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just says something random and it's just suddenly

00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.559
a song title. Daniel Radcliffe is holding up

00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:09.920
a thing of Oscar Mayer and he's like, my baloney.

00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:15.380
Huh. And then he gets on on what, Dr. Demento?

00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.359
Yes. Rainn Wilson's radio show. I almost said

00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:24.819
podcast. That was dating myself here. Yeah, and

00:18:24.819 --> 00:18:29.619
it was all history from there. There were 25

00:18:29.619 --> 00:18:32.420
participants to the Imagine cover, by the way.

00:18:32.619 --> 00:18:34.940
There's also a Wikipedia for it, which I think

00:18:34.940 --> 00:18:39.500
is incredibly funny. Can we get a list? We can

00:18:39.500 --> 00:18:42.400
get a list. So starting out strong, Gal Gadot.

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You've got Kristen Wiig, Jamie Dornan, Labyrinth,

00:18:46.059 --> 00:18:48.660
James Marsden, Sarah Silverman, Eddie Benjamin.

00:18:48.859 --> 00:18:51.519
I don't know who that is. Jimmy Fallon, Natalie

00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:54.619
Portman, Zoe Kravitz, Sia, Linda Carter, Amy

00:18:54.619 --> 00:18:58.099
Adams. Leslie Odom Jr., Pedro Pascal, Chris O'Dowd,

00:18:58.180 --> 00:19:00.779
Don O 'Porter, Will Ferrell, Mark Ruffalo, Nora

00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:03.660
Jones, Ashley Benson, Kaya Gerber, Cara Delevingne,

00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:09.740
Annie Momolo, and Maya Rudolph. Hmm. And for

00:19:09.740 --> 00:19:14.740
our younger listeners. He was in it. He was.

00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.299
Wikipedia says otherwise. You can go in and edit

00:19:18.299 --> 00:19:20.700
it. I think that's still a thing. I don't know

00:19:20.700 --> 00:19:23.579
if Wikipedia is still crowdsourced. Or was he

00:19:23.579 --> 00:19:27.160
in a parody of it? There was a parody of it?

00:19:28.019 --> 00:19:32.619
It's a parody of it. It is a parody, yeah. I

00:19:32.619 --> 00:19:34.480
don't know. Maybe I misspoke on Aaron Paul. I

00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.200
don't think so. I'm pretty sure he was in it.

00:19:37.779 --> 00:19:42.259
But regardless, for our younger listeners, the

00:19:42.259 --> 00:19:48.720
song Imagine is about a millionaire, multiple

00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.880
times over, from one of the biggest bands of

00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:58.279
all time. saying, hey, what if there weren't

00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:02.700
any possessions? Imagine a world where it was

00:20:02.700 --> 00:20:05.500
heaven on earth, where we didn't have to worry

00:20:05.500 --> 00:20:10.500
about money, where we didn't have to worry about

00:20:10.500 --> 00:20:16.339
war and disparity, and nobody was poor, all while

00:20:16.339 --> 00:20:21.039
probably, presumably, recording this in his penthouse

00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:28.529
suite in New York. There's a lot of weird choices.

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Realistically, it is exactly as questionable

00:20:34.950 --> 00:20:40.769
in origin as maybe Gal Gadot's version was true

00:20:40.769 --> 00:20:43.410
to form. I just didn't give her enough credit

00:20:43.410 --> 00:20:46.910
because I was too busy being unemployed and fighting

00:20:46.910 --> 00:20:53.789
for toilet paper at the Walmart. Hindsight's

00:20:53.789 --> 00:20:57.390
20 -20, man. there there's that bit that famous

00:20:57.390 --> 00:21:03.190
photo shoot um uh was it for rolling stones the

00:21:03.190 --> 00:21:07.049
one where they're like in bed yeah yeah and then

00:21:07.049 --> 00:21:09.509
there's like some behind the scenes photos because

00:21:09.509 --> 00:21:14.349
the whole thing is like uh i mean it's just the

00:21:14.349 --> 00:21:16.990
song imagine embodied it's just like no possessions

00:21:16.990 --> 00:21:19.930
blah blah blah blah anyways um there's some behind

00:21:19.930 --> 00:21:22.329
the scenes photos where after they took that

00:21:22.329 --> 00:21:25.799
photo there is a maid Coming in to make the bed.

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And I just feel like that is the perfect encapsulation

00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:39.079
of what Imagine is all about. Yeah. Anyways,

00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:41.859
we got way sidetracked. Yeah, we got way sidetracked.

00:21:43.579 --> 00:21:52.740
DiGiorno tweets, Yoko Ono, and Imagine cover.

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Do you want to know the specifics behind the

00:21:56.769 --> 00:22:00.470
DiGiorno tweet? I do. There's one specific tweet.

00:22:00.470 --> 00:22:04.130
I do, actually. So the hashtag that they used

00:22:04.130 --> 00:22:08.509
was trending. I don't believe that anyone on

00:22:08.509 --> 00:22:12.869
the DiGiorno social media team did their research

00:22:12.869 --> 00:22:16.650
into it because the hashtag is why I stayed.

00:22:17.470 --> 00:22:20.789
And the tweet itself was hashtag why I stayed.

00:22:20.890 --> 00:22:25.289
You had pizza. If you are also not familiar with

00:22:25.289 --> 00:22:28.930
what hashtag why I stayed was for, it was domestic

00:22:28.930 --> 00:22:36.390
violence. Was this like it ends with us kind

00:22:36.390 --> 00:22:39.730
of stuff? Yes. Is that what it was from? It wasn't

00:22:39.730 --> 00:22:42.529
from that because it predated that god awful

00:22:42.529 --> 00:22:47.710
book. But it was still the same like why I stayed

00:22:47.710 --> 00:22:50.730
and it was just all of these survivors of domestic

00:22:50.730 --> 00:22:53.880
violence talking about why. They stayed in the

00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:56.619
relationship that they were in. And DiGiorno

00:22:56.619 --> 00:23:04.180
was like, hold my cheap -ass pizza. I stayed

00:23:04.180 --> 00:23:08.200
because there was a large Supreme in the oven.

00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:14.680
Odd choice. It was an odd choice. Okay. So now

00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:18.740
that I have more clarity, I have a better understanding

00:23:18.740 --> 00:23:26.210
of... And I would say that maybe pandering, maybe

00:23:26.210 --> 00:23:33.450
having a willful misunderstanding of the situation.

00:23:33.809 --> 00:23:38.390
Yeah. You think it's a willful misunderstanding?

00:23:40.650 --> 00:23:46.869
I think so. Okay. Especially with the Imagine

00:23:46.869 --> 00:23:52.579
thing. I think that they were very cognizant

00:23:52.579 --> 00:24:04.339
of their place in this world and that their fortunes

00:24:04.339 --> 00:24:10.339
are built off the work of all these other people

00:24:10.339 --> 00:24:14.900
and that it was just, hey, we can't make movies

00:24:14.900 --> 00:24:17.859
right now, so please remember us. Remember we

00:24:17.859 --> 00:24:21.180
exist. Because when we can make movies, go get

00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:26.880
our tickets again. Please. Please. They knew

00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.519
what they were doing. They thought that we were

00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:36.140
too stupid to not get the underlying message.

00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:39.920
But yeah, we get it. I'm kind of bummed out now

00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:42.819
that I've already used my Gal Gadot impression

00:24:42.819 --> 00:24:44.859
because that would have fit perfectly in here.

00:24:46.349 --> 00:24:48.349
Save your money. I know you're unemployed, but

00:24:48.349 --> 00:24:50.990
you have to go see Enough Champagne to Feel the

00:24:50.990 --> 00:24:53.769
Nile. Which I still think had more inflection

00:24:53.769 --> 00:24:57.289
than she had in that movie. It's just a bad movie.

00:24:58.170 --> 00:25:02.450
It is a bad movie. I had high hopes. I like those

00:25:02.450 --> 00:25:07.230
whodunits. Knives Out was probably the best one.

00:25:07.490 --> 00:25:10.269
I didn't much care for Glass Onion. I didn't

00:25:10.269 --> 00:25:12.730
really like Glass Onion either. I liked Murder

00:25:12.730 --> 00:25:15.430
on the Orient Expresso. I didn't watch that one.

00:25:16.459 --> 00:25:18.660
That's good. Check it out. You should definitely

00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:21.980
watch that one over whatever the Death on the

00:25:21.980 --> 00:25:24.980
Nile. Well, I mean, it's too late. I've already

00:25:24.980 --> 00:25:27.539
unfortunately seen that one. I won't get that

00:25:27.539 --> 00:25:31.740
two hours of my life back. Well, you can make

00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:35.660
up for it by watching Murder on the Orient Express

00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:40.299
and then Haunting in Venice. I didn't like that

00:25:40.299 --> 00:25:45.529
one. It was okay. Yeah, I don't know. All right,

00:25:45.529 --> 00:25:48.710
and we're sidetracked again. All right, so your

00:25:48.710 --> 00:25:52.609
final take on DiGiorno tweets, Yoko Ono, and

00:25:52.609 --> 00:26:00.470
the Celebrity Imagine cover. Mistimed. Mistimed

00:26:00.470 --> 00:26:04.829
instances. Not reading the room. You know what?

00:26:04.849 --> 00:26:12.250
That is a good take. Yeah? Instances being...

00:26:13.109 --> 00:26:16.430
unwilling to or unable to read the room. Tone

00:26:16.430 --> 00:26:20.230
deaf, I would say. Tone deaf, that's what it

00:26:20.230 --> 00:26:24.309
is? Mm -hmm. Oh, okay. Okay. Literally and figuratively.

00:26:24.309 --> 00:26:27.650
There are countless instances of tone, yeah.

00:26:27.769 --> 00:26:32.710
I think Yoko is the figuratively there. She's

00:26:32.710 --> 00:26:33.410
figuratively tone deaf? Have you ever listened

00:26:33.410 --> 00:26:36.309
to her music? I think she's both. I mean, literally.

00:26:36.730 --> 00:26:39.750
Literally tone deaf. Have you listened to her

00:26:39.750 --> 00:26:45.140
music? I have. On brief occasions, listen to

00:26:45.140 --> 00:26:47.880
bits of Yoko Ono. I don't think I've ever listened

00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:53.980
to a full screech, if you will. No, I don't have

00:26:53.980 --> 00:26:56.660
the patience for that. Life's too short. Yeah.

00:27:00.380 --> 00:27:04.980
All right, and on that note of phenomenally tone

00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:10.140
-deaf things, our episode for today is on weird

00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:15.539
ad campaigns. Weird ad campaigns. I thought you

00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:16.819
were going to say weird out for a second. I got

00:27:16.819 --> 00:27:21.859
all excited. You know, it ties in. It's still

00:27:21.859 --> 00:27:24.160
the same. I accidentally made a typo in the podcast

00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:28.920
list and now we're here. So this episode was

00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:32.579
brought about because I, like many other chronically

00:27:32.579 --> 00:27:36.599
online people, have been inundated lately with

00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:43.480
Sydney Sweeney, American Eagle. Nonsense. Have

00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:45.539
you been seeing all of the backlash for this

00:27:45.539 --> 00:27:50.240
ad? Have you seen the original ads? Yes. Yes,

00:27:50.259 --> 00:27:54.779
I have. Yeah. And I've seen the backlash. And

00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:59.880
I don't get it. You don't get the backlash or

00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:03.480
the ad? I don't get the backlash. Okay. The ad

00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:05.700
is just straightforward. It's a play on words.

00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.920
I think... Sydney Sweeney has great genes. With

00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:16.980
a J. Yeah. And, I mean, the implied jeans with

00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:20.079
a G. And I think that they, whenever they say

00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.059
it, they definitely focus on a certain aspect

00:28:22.059 --> 00:28:24.799
of her body, which has nothing to do with the

00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:28.660
jeans. Yeah. They put her in a Canadian tuxedo,

00:28:28.700 --> 00:28:32.920
which in and of itself is an odd choice. I understand

00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.299
that American Eagle is a jeans brand, but they

00:28:36.299 --> 00:28:38.380
also sell things that are not denim, and I think

00:28:38.380 --> 00:28:42.349
it would have made. better outfit if they had

00:28:42.349 --> 00:28:45.529
maybe chosen different jeans and also a different

00:28:45.529 --> 00:28:51.910
shirt that's neither here nor there but I understand

00:28:51.910 --> 00:28:55.369
the backlash behind it for a couple of reasons

00:28:55.369 --> 00:29:00.849
for one like it seriously bothers me the amount

00:29:00.849 --> 00:29:04.809
that they lean into the like kind of Lolita vibe

00:29:04.809 --> 00:29:09.430
for so many celebrities these days like yeah

00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.720
I think it was like Sabrina Carpenter. I think

00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:15.680
maybe like Tate McRae or one of the other like

00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.059
Gen Z musicians did actual Lolita photo shoots,

00:29:19.180 --> 00:29:23.460
which is an odd choice. Like it's just, it's,

00:29:23.500 --> 00:29:29.799
it feels problematic in a time where grooming

00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:36.720
is the big conversation. Hmm. What? Like, like

00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.289
clean shaven or not? I thought we were past that.

00:29:41.430 --> 00:29:43.609
I thought we were like beards all the way. Mustaches

00:29:43.609 --> 00:29:45.670
are making a comeback. Shave your beard, you

00:29:45.670 --> 00:29:51.730
hippie. Never. Yeah, I know. Not ever. I've seen

00:29:51.730 --> 00:29:59.089
the before and afters. The beard suits you. It's

00:29:59.089 --> 00:30:04.329
such a weird phenomenon that we're supposed to

00:30:04.329 --> 00:30:08.339
be having this conversation about not infantilizing

00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:11.859
women and yet so many of these celebrities are

00:30:11.859 --> 00:30:19.420
leaning into being infantilized and uh so sydney

00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:22.359
sweeney's ad is a play on a calvin klein's ad

00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.579
with brook shields from the 80s where brook shields

00:30:25.579 --> 00:30:31.339
i'm pretty sure was a minor and it is just uncomfy

00:30:31.339 --> 00:30:36.119
to watch in 2025 She has spoken out about it

00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.740
time and time again about how gross she was treated.

00:30:40.980 --> 00:30:42.980
Like how grossly she was handled whenever she

00:30:42.980 --> 00:30:45.799
was younger. And so I think that playing on something

00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.799
like that in and of itself is wildly tone deaf.

00:30:49.700 --> 00:30:55.200
But I do also to some extent understand the eugenics

00:30:55.200 --> 00:31:00.319
side of it. Because it's just been such a big

00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.250
conversation that it seems like if... the point

00:31:03.250 --> 00:31:07.869
that you're making is just jeans with a J it's

00:31:07.869 --> 00:31:11.170
maybe, maybe not the time for that. Like you,

00:31:11.250 --> 00:31:13.609
you had somebody on your, your marketing team

00:31:13.609 --> 00:31:16.869
that heard it and was like, Hey, do you think

00:31:16.869 --> 00:31:19.970
people might not take this the way that we want

00:31:19.970 --> 00:31:22.950
them to? Unless you're specifically trying to

00:31:22.950 --> 00:31:27.970
start that conversation, which if you are cool,

00:31:28.329 --> 00:31:32.400
but also And this is not anywhere near the biggest

00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.799
point. I hate the way she talks. If you have

00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:42.319
heard the ad, it is just nonsense. She does not

00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:52.400
say one full word. What are you doing? Enunciate,

00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.319
babe. It is just not that hard. How much money

00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.900
are you making? For not completing a sentence.

00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:03.079
I have a lot of thoughts because I've watched

00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:06.700
too many of these videos. And I've seen a lot

00:32:06.700 --> 00:32:10.299
of people mock her delivery of it. Do you know

00:32:10.299 --> 00:32:15.859
who Greg Olson is? No. He was a tight end for

00:32:15.859 --> 00:32:21.900
the Carolina Panthers. And he does the same thing.

00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.519
He's an announcer now. He drops the last letter

00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:29.720
of every word he says. Oh, God. Yeah, and he

00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:35.160
gets paid to talk. So maybe it's just a thing.

00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:38.200
If it's a thing, it needs to stop. I don't know

00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.119
what you're selling. I don't understand your

00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:46.359
spokesperson. She's selling gin. I saw one of

00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.240
the most accurate comparisons, and it was a Pedro

00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:54.450
Pascal skit from SNL. Ugh. was that it pedro

00:32:54.450 --> 00:32:58.289
pascal snl or the skip that i'm referencing first

00:32:58.289 --> 00:33:02.789
of all how dare you all three um mostly for pedro

00:33:02.789 --> 00:33:06.329
pascal just because like we get it dude we get

00:33:06.329 --> 00:33:10.210
it a lot of a lot of discourse about him online

00:33:10.210 --> 00:33:13.170
too yeah who isn't there just for some anxiety

00:33:13.170 --> 00:33:19.859
us i wish there was but not yet yeah i mean Any

00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:22.400
publicity is good publicity. Controversial takes.

00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:25.460
Yeah, that is the whole... That's the real theme

00:33:25.460 --> 00:33:31.440
of this episode. No press is bad press. Please

00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.779
don't cancel me. No, but no, he does. He just...

00:33:36.779 --> 00:33:42.680
I don't... I don't get it. And I was... So we're...

00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:48.000
The kids go back to school this week. And we

00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.490
were... It's just me and them because Emily's

00:33:51.490 --> 00:33:57.869
already back at work. And I was trying to think

00:33:57.869 --> 00:33:59.410
of something to do with them during the day,

00:33:59.470 --> 00:34:01.869
just for this last time we have together until

00:34:01.869 --> 00:34:06.170
school starts. And the only movies that are in

00:34:06.170 --> 00:34:08.369
theaters that I think they would be interested

00:34:08.369 --> 00:34:12.610
in are either Fantastic Four or Superman. Yeah.

00:34:12.750 --> 00:34:14.730
And so I was going to give them the option, hoping

00:34:14.730 --> 00:34:18.460
that they were going to pick. Because really,

00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:21.840
I don't want to see either of them. But they

00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.599
didn't. They've seen both of them already. Okay.

00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:29.179
But they want to see Fantastic Four again. So

00:34:29.179 --> 00:34:32.880
at some point, I'm going to have to sit through

00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:39.219
two hours of Pedro Pascal and his pencil mustache.

00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:41.960
I mean, you can't blame him for the pencil mustache.

00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.400
The John Waters look was all the rage back then.

00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.159
Okay, but he's had that same mustache since Game

00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:53.280
of Thrones. I did not watch Game of Thrones for

00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:55.420
long enough to have ever seen Bella Ramsey or

00:34:55.420 --> 00:34:58.539
Pedro Pascal. So my first experience with both

00:34:58.539 --> 00:35:01.380
of them is The Last of Us, a show that I very

00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:05.619
much enjoyed. So I will not accept this slander,

00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.699
but I will accept your right to believe that.

00:35:09.900 --> 00:35:13.860
Okay. Okay, I agree to disagree. Remember when

00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:16.190
that was a thing? Remember when that was a thing

00:35:16.190 --> 00:35:18.190
that most adults could do? It was a simpler time.

00:35:19.550 --> 00:35:21.030
Pepperidge Farm remembers. Did you hear that

00:35:21.030 --> 00:35:29.510
after this ad came out that good old internet

00:35:29.510 --> 00:35:32.090
did its thing and now everyone's real concerned

00:35:32.090 --> 00:35:37.590
with Sidney Sweeney's political leanings? Yeah.

00:35:37.670 --> 00:35:40.570
And just dumbfounded that she's a registered

00:35:40.570 --> 00:35:45.869
Republican? Like that means anything. Why? Why

00:35:45.869 --> 00:35:48.309
is anyone dumbfounded by anyone's political bent

00:35:48.309 --> 00:35:53.829
these days? I don't know, man. I would look at

00:35:53.829 --> 00:35:56.329
anyone and not be surprised that you are Republican

00:35:56.329 --> 00:36:00.929
or Democrat. Although, I think if you put yourself

00:36:00.929 --> 00:36:05.489
in one of those boxes, you are incorrect. Because

00:36:05.489 --> 00:36:07.429
I think it's the same thing. It's the agree to

00:36:07.429 --> 00:36:10.409
disagree thing. I don't think that I am so fully...

00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:14.300
on one side of the line. Don't get me wrong,

00:36:14.380 --> 00:36:17.159
I hate a great deal of the specific people that

00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.239
are doing things at the moment, but that doesn't

00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:26.559
mean that I'm fully on the other side. Yeah.

00:36:27.260 --> 00:36:32.599
I will disagree a little bit that you can't look

00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.039
at someone and make a pretty fair assumption.

00:36:37.900 --> 00:36:41.019
on where they where they swing because it's the

00:36:41.019 --> 00:36:43.239
people that make it their entire identity and

00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.900
there's there's people on both sides well sure

00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:50.280
i mean if you're if your tattoos or your clothes

00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:56.079
or your general conversations have to revolve

00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:59.099
around your political lean then i can make some

00:36:59.099 --> 00:37:03.480
other assumptions about you if you are for instance

00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:11.429
wearing a 45 -47 MAGA hat. Stop it. I don't care

00:37:11.429 --> 00:37:14.769
what political leaning you have, but wearing

00:37:14.769 --> 00:37:18.530
the merch for it? Weird. That is a hill I will

00:37:18.530 --> 00:37:23.849
die on. Stop it. That is weird. This goes back

00:37:23.849 --> 00:37:26.969
to my bumper sticker theory. I'm still hoping

00:37:26.969 --> 00:37:30.750
for Bernie in 2016. With a losing candidate.

00:37:31.510 --> 00:37:34.500
Don't. Don't sully your vehicle with a winning

00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:37.320
candidate either. Have some mystery about you.

00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:41.800
I am in a city now with, obviously, the biggest

00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:46.179
concentration of Teslas and Cybertrucks. One

00:37:46.179 --> 00:37:49.360
in three of them has a sticker that says, I bought

00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.400
this before Elon went crazy. No, you didn't.

00:37:53.260 --> 00:37:55.840
No, you didn't. You can accept that you bought

00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:58.460
it, maybe without all the facts, but you didn't

00:37:58.460 --> 00:38:00.500
buy it before he went crazy. He's been like that.

00:38:01.019 --> 00:38:03.300
Always. How many of those stickers do you think

00:38:03.300 --> 00:38:07.599
they sold after people started keying Teslas

00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:13.639
and... Do they do anything else to them? I think

00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:18.500
so. Which is the pansiest way of letting someone

00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:20.739
know that you have a problem with them. And the

00:38:20.739 --> 00:38:23.420
stupidest way, because there's cameras all over

00:38:23.420 --> 00:38:27.699
the car. You get caught. But then whenever you

00:38:27.699 --> 00:38:30.880
report it and... Oh, I have the video. Oh, okay.

00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:37.760
Cool. Anyways, see ya. I'm fully convinced at

00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.480
this point because they are all identical stickers

00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.699
that they put them out at the dealership. They're

00:38:42.699 --> 00:38:45.179
just covering their tracks. Every single one

00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:48.320
of them is the exact same bumper sticker. Elon

00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.860
sells them? Is that why he's on his way to be

00:38:51.860 --> 00:38:56.219
a trillionaire? Yes. 100%. Ride both sides of

00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:59.559
the line. Ride both sides of the line. Annual

00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:04.599
profit. There you go, man. I do love the fact

00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.780
that he put these people in such an existential

00:39:08.780 --> 00:39:14.179
crisis that they bought a Tesla. You don't buy

00:39:14.179 --> 00:39:16.400
a Tesla because, oh, I care about the environment.

00:39:16.539 --> 00:39:20.699
You buy a Tesla because of the association with

00:39:20.699 --> 00:39:26.059
it. And then, so these hippie, oh, I have an

00:39:26.059 --> 00:39:30.219
electric vehicle. And then, Turns out that your

00:39:30.219 --> 00:39:36.340
Tesla creator is on the other side of the aisle,

00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.139
and you just don't know what to do. You don't

00:39:39.139 --> 00:39:41.059
know what to do. So the best thing you can come

00:39:41.059 --> 00:39:43.840
up with is a sticker that says... Please don't

00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:48.900
key my car. Yes. There is graffiti across the

00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:52.699
street from where I work, and it is this giant

00:39:52.699 --> 00:39:55.260
heart, and it's Trump kissing Elon, and it's

00:39:55.260 --> 00:39:59.079
my favorite part of Austin. I'll have to send

00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.199
you a picture the next time I see it. Please

00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:06.940
do. But yeah, you can accept. I don't know who

00:40:06.940 --> 00:40:11.300
makes Toyotas or Nissans. There's not a figurehead.

00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:16.460
And so I don't really understand the, hey, maybe

00:40:16.460 --> 00:40:18.500
don't key my car because I support the car but

00:40:18.500 --> 00:40:22.139
not the guy. You still contributed a lot of money

00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:25.780
to Tesla. Those things are not cheap. I don't

00:40:25.780 --> 00:40:29.639
know. So while you're over here talking about

00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.079
no person should be a billionaire, no person

00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.440
should be a trillionaire, when you're in your

00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:39.840
Tesla or your Cybertruck and you're out in the

00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:41.880
middle of nowhere and you're sending that tweet

00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:47.639
via Starlink. Like, come on. Come on. Shut up.

00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:49.380
No, by that point you'll have a Neuralink so

00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:51.000
you won't even have to send a tweet. You just

00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.519
think it and it's just into the ether. Boom.

00:40:53.659 --> 00:40:58.989
Yeah. Alright, so are you pro, anti, or neutral

00:40:58.989 --> 00:41:01.389
when it comes to Sidney Sweeney has great genes?

00:41:01.590 --> 00:41:04.789
I know you like Sidney Sweeney. I'm very pro

00:41:04.789 --> 00:41:09.590
Sidney Sweeney. I know she can be typecast as

00:41:09.590 --> 00:41:15.050
very one -dimensional and only having two assets

00:41:15.050 --> 00:41:19.289
that propel her career, but you should watch

00:41:19.289 --> 00:41:23.139
the movie. Anyone but you. Because that gave

00:41:23.139 --> 00:41:30.059
her depth where? I mean, she's good comedically.

00:41:30.380 --> 00:41:35.039
Come on. When she splashes the water all over

00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.079
her crotch and she has to find a way to finagle

00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.360
her way up to the hand dryer to dry her crotch

00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.599
off in the bathroom because Glenn Powell was

00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.579
outside waiting for her? Come on. No. I didn't

00:41:45.579 --> 00:41:48.659
mind the movie, but she is giving absolutely

00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:52.889
nothing. Glenn Powell does do a lot of the heavy

00:41:52.889 --> 00:41:59.489
lifting. That human capybara. Don't you dare

00:41:59.489 --> 00:42:03.949
disparage my boy Glenn. I would not. I do really

00:42:03.949 --> 00:42:09.389
like Glenn Powell. His face irks me. Is he? I

00:42:09.389 --> 00:42:13.110
think so. He's from somewhere in Texas. I'm not

00:42:13.110 --> 00:42:16.269
disparaging your boy Glenn Powell. His face does

00:42:16.269 --> 00:42:20.139
sometimes irk me because his... I don't understand

00:42:20.139 --> 00:42:22.619
why so many people think he's as attractive as

00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:27.739
he is. Because, again, human capybara. He makes

00:42:27.739 --> 00:42:30.019
it work. But he's a good actor. I like him in

00:42:30.019 --> 00:42:32.940
things. I just watched, I think it's called Set

00:42:32.940 --> 00:42:37.400
It Up with Zoe Deutsch. Mm -hmm. That was not

00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.039
bad. I've never heard of it. It's another, like,

00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.460
rom -com. Their personal assistant. Oh, it's

00:42:43.460 --> 00:42:46.679
a movie where he was, like, a hitman. Yeah. On

00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.719
Netflix. I liked that one. I couldn't get into

00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:55.619
it. It was real boring to me. Yeah. Killed it.

00:42:55.739 --> 00:43:00.780
Twisters. Yeah. Twisters. That was a good movie.

00:43:01.340 --> 00:43:05.280
You don't go into it expecting much. So you're

00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.940
not disappointed. Yeah. It's a great movie. And

00:43:07.940 --> 00:43:13.500
then you get a scene of Glenn in a white shirt

00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:16.519
walking in the rain. The pouring rain. Putting

00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:20.789
on his cowboy hat. Is this to Luke Combs, what

00:43:20.789 --> 00:43:25.269
is it, No Love in Oklahoma or something like

00:43:25.269 --> 00:43:29.210
that? No Love in Oklahoma. I think that was over

00:43:29.210 --> 00:43:31.230
the end credits. I don't think it was actually

00:43:31.230 --> 00:43:33.550
during the movie, but it might be. I haven't

00:43:33.550 --> 00:43:36.510
seen it. That's good. I was waiting for it to

00:43:36.510 --> 00:43:38.949
be on streaming, then I forgot about it. Okay.

00:43:39.210 --> 00:43:44.929
It's on Peacock. Cindy Sweeney. Okay. I mean,

00:43:45.190 --> 00:43:49.519
that's whatever. I do like the fact that they

00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.699
stuck with it. They didn't back down. Yeah. Like,

00:43:53.900 --> 00:43:56.780
good for you. You make a decision, you stick

00:43:56.780 --> 00:44:01.300
to it. Like Bud Light? I mean, it doesn't always

00:44:01.300 --> 00:44:05.519
work. They stuck to it, and then their sales

00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:09.239
dipped. Bud Light? No, they didn't. I mean, they

00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:11.760
stuck to it, like, right then. There's probably

00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.280
going to come a time not too long from now where

00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.000
American Eagle's like, yeah, after some reflection

00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.559
and deep thought, we realize the blah, blah,

00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:22.920
blah, blah, the corporate nonsense that means

00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:27.340
nothing. But Bud Light stuck to it, and they

00:44:27.340 --> 00:44:30.440
had their marketing whatever person come out

00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.059
and say, yeah, Bud Light has just been like just

00:44:34.059 --> 00:44:37.280
for frat bros and all. But those are the people

00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.920
with the money that are going to be. keeping

00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.960
your company up those are the people that you've

00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.199
made money off this entire time and then for

00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:48.059
you to say oh well we just want to pivot so hard

00:44:48.059 --> 00:44:51.039
away from that that we're just going to completely

00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:54.139
tank that market share sure so i'm not saying

00:44:54.139 --> 00:44:56.920
that there's not going to be repercussions from

00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:59.880
it but if you make a decision you stick with

00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:03.380
it you stick it out you don't say oh yeah whoops

00:45:03.380 --> 00:45:07.019
my bad and then try to do a complete 180 right

00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:10.489
away because then you just you have no You have

00:45:10.489 --> 00:45:14.170
no... It's even more tone deaf. Yeah. I don't

00:45:14.170 --> 00:45:17.329
think that the best course of action would ever

00:45:17.329 --> 00:45:20.150
be for them to just be like, oh yeah, whoops.

00:45:20.630 --> 00:45:23.409
And then to make a different ad, like to just

00:45:23.409 --> 00:45:25.809
pivot the campaign from there because it doesn't

00:45:25.809 --> 00:45:28.590
seem like they understood any part of why people

00:45:28.590 --> 00:45:31.909
were upset. Like it feels like you were just

00:45:31.909 --> 00:45:35.969
pandering even more to a different crowd. Exactly.

00:45:35.969 --> 00:45:38.570
But I also think that... foresight should have

00:45:38.570 --> 00:45:43.070
prevented this ad from coming to be because in

00:45:43.070 --> 00:45:45.349
the conversations that we're having socially

00:45:45.349 --> 00:45:48.630
right now which is being on top of that is literally

00:45:48.630 --> 00:45:51.710
the entire purpose of a marketing person if you're

00:45:51.710 --> 00:45:53.849
hearing all of the stuff that's happening in

00:45:53.849 --> 00:45:57.610
our social political whatever climate and you

00:45:57.610 --> 00:46:05.210
want to have an ad come out with a blonde -haired

00:46:05.210 --> 00:46:07.599
blue -eyed lady talking about how great her jeans

00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.280
are you you have to understand that that's just

00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:12.760
not going to play right it's not going to play

00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.900
the way that you think it will you have to make

00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:19.340
you have to make a decision you have to decide

00:46:19.340 --> 00:46:23.619
what is more profitable either staying with the

00:46:23.619 --> 00:46:26.500
status quo with what everything how everything

00:46:26.500 --> 00:46:28.539
is now what marketing looks like right now what

00:46:28.539 --> 00:46:31.820
advertisements look like right now or you've

00:46:31.820 --> 00:46:35.070
tried to flip it on its head And you take the

00:46:35.070 --> 00:46:38.130
controversy, you weather the controversy, and

00:46:38.130 --> 00:46:39.929
then people are still talking about you however

00:46:39.929 --> 00:46:44.630
long later. Do you think that it is valid in

00:46:44.630 --> 00:46:46.929
this case to start a conversation that's just

00:46:46.929 --> 00:46:49.789
going to piss people off because it will keep

00:46:49.789 --> 00:46:53.690
the conversation going for longer? Yes. Even

00:46:53.690 --> 00:46:56.869
though it's going to cause boycotting? Like,

00:46:56.889 --> 00:46:59.309
wouldn't that kind of negate the point? When

00:46:59.309 --> 00:47:01.829
is the last time you heard about American Eagle?

00:47:01.829 --> 00:47:05.440
I haven't been to a mall in years. Okay. And

00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.039
so now you're hearing about American Eagle. So

00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.480
I think it was worth it for them. The people

00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:12.500
that say they're going to boycott American Eagle

00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:14.059
aren't the people that were shopping at American

00:47:14.059 --> 00:47:16.099
Eagle in the first place. And that's the difference

00:47:16.099 --> 00:47:20.139
between this and Bud Light is that Bud Light,

00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.539
the people that said they were going to boycott

00:47:22.539 --> 00:47:24.119
Bud Light were the people that were drinking

00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.340
Bud Light on a daily basis. Were the people that

00:47:27.340 --> 00:47:31.659
were making sure that the coffers stayed full.

00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:34.869
And they said, screw y 'all, we're going to try

00:47:34.869 --> 00:47:39.170
this now. And then the people, the consumers,

00:47:39.469 --> 00:47:42.090
which they have every right to, decided where

00:47:42.090 --> 00:47:43.690
they were going to put their money and then they

00:47:43.690 --> 00:47:46.030
decided to take it away from Bud Light. And Bud

00:47:46.030 --> 00:47:49.309
Light took a huge hit. If they had just come

00:47:49.309 --> 00:47:52.449
out and said, hey, yeah, we're going to work

00:47:52.449 --> 00:47:56.329
with Dylan Mulvaney because we just want to open

00:47:56.329 --> 00:47:59.050
ourselves up to another audience. But that doesn't

00:47:59.050 --> 00:48:01.989
mean that we don't have your back fully because

00:48:01.989 --> 00:48:04.329
you've had our support this entire time. But

00:48:04.329 --> 00:48:07.010
that's not what they did. What they did was say,

00:48:07.130 --> 00:48:11.010
hey, screw the frat bros. We're going to put

00:48:11.010 --> 00:48:13.449
all of our eggs in this basket. And it completely

00:48:13.449 --> 00:48:17.190
obliterated their market share. So much so that

00:48:17.190 --> 00:48:19.929
they had to get Shane Gillis and Post Malone

00:48:19.929 --> 00:48:22.150
to come in and sweep up the mess and try to say,

00:48:22.190 --> 00:48:24.829
no, no, we still love frat bros. We still love

00:48:24.829 --> 00:48:28.269
you guys. We're sorry. quintessential frat bros

00:48:28.269 --> 00:48:32.170
yeah so that that's the big difference and that's

00:48:32.170 --> 00:48:34.889
that's the difference between getting a boycott

00:48:34.889 --> 00:48:40.170
from the one side of the aisle versus the other

00:48:40.170 --> 00:48:43.190
side of the aisle because i think when you when

00:48:43.190 --> 00:48:47.230
you agitate uh i mean i don't i don't know if

00:48:47.230 --> 00:48:49.690
this is true this is just general understanding

00:48:49.690 --> 00:48:53.250
and and just from observations that i've had

00:48:53.250 --> 00:48:59.420
from a lifetime of being online Generally, the

00:48:59.420 --> 00:49:02.019
ones that are more likely to throw out the boycott

00:49:02.019 --> 00:49:05.260
are going to be the Democrats. And generally,

00:49:05.340 --> 00:49:07.980
I think that the Democrats are the ones that

00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:10.579
will say that they're going to boycott, but then

00:49:10.579 --> 00:49:12.719
you'll catch them sneaking in. Oh, I thought

00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:14.699
you were boycotting this. Oh, yeah, but see,

00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.119
I really need it. Like the whole Target stuff.

00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:18.820
Remember when that was a big thing because of

00:49:18.820 --> 00:49:22.760
all the bathrooms stuff? uh i knew like whenever

00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.019
they were like no bathrooms are for everyone

00:49:25.019 --> 00:49:28.239
whoever whatever however you identify go into

00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.619
the bathroom right uh i knew people that i would

00:49:32.619 --> 00:49:34.980
assume to their dying day they're passed away

00:49:34.980 --> 00:49:37.719
now but it was a big enough issue for them where

00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:39.400
they said i would never go to target ever again

00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:44.639
and i feel like that was probably true um but

00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:48.920
then you have stuff like uh i'm never gonna buy

00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:50.900
a tesla And so you have people on the other side

00:49:50.900 --> 00:49:53.000
of the aisle saying, I'm never going to buy a

00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.480
Tesla. But then like, OK, but no, like he's like

00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:59.280
calm down now. So like he's not technically in

00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.639
the government anymore. So it's it's fine again.

00:50:02.019 --> 00:50:05.440
Or, oh, Elon's back because he's not under Trump's

00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.000
thumb anymore. And so I feel like under Trump's

00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:12.039
thumb, you might be misunderstanding the power

00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:15.280
dynamic there. Yeah, I think it was all it was

00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.940
all business decisions. Do I think that? there

00:50:17.940 --> 00:50:23.019
was disparage. Do I think that there was a misconduct

00:50:23.019 --> 00:50:26.239
as far as the election goes? No. Do I feel like

00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:30.119
there was, Elon helped Trump get in? Without

00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:34.780
a doubt. And so I think that once Elon had fulfilled

00:50:34.780 --> 00:50:40.519
his usefulness with the getting him elected by

00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:43.599
propping him up leading up to the election and

00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:47.940
then all the doge stuff that ended up not going

00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:51.860
anywhere then trump cut him loose i don't think

00:50:51.860 --> 00:50:53.659
there was some huge falling out i think that

00:50:53.659 --> 00:50:56.460
they knew exactly what was going to play out

00:50:56.460 --> 00:51:01.639
but again there are so you say you want to boycott

00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:03.900
but then can you really hold that boycott out

00:51:04.329 --> 00:51:06.289
People with the Bud Light really held that boycott

00:51:06.289 --> 00:51:08.630
out. People that are mad at American Eagle aren't

00:51:08.630 --> 00:51:10.050
the people that are shopping at American Eagle

00:51:10.050 --> 00:51:12.429
anyways. So it's real easy to say I'm never going

00:51:12.429 --> 00:51:15.190
to shop at American Eagle because you never shopped

00:51:15.190 --> 00:51:17.789
there in the first place and you will continue

00:51:17.789 --> 00:51:20.690
to not shop there. So it's real easy to get those

00:51:20.690 --> 00:51:24.590
points, being an activist, being a protester,

00:51:24.670 --> 00:51:28.150
when it doesn't affect your life anyways. I think

00:51:28.150 --> 00:51:29.909
as far as the Target thing is concerned, they

00:51:29.909 --> 00:51:33.130
did lose a good amount of money after the most

00:51:33.130 --> 00:51:36.559
recent. push to boycott them because the the

00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:38.460
most recent thing wasn't the bathrooms it was

00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:40.679
the like dei initiatives that they just completely

00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.900
abandoned the dei initiatives and the just cheap

00:51:45.900 --> 00:51:51.739
lazy like lgbtq plus like pride month merch that

00:51:51.739 --> 00:51:53.519
they eventually just got rid of because they

00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:55.539
wanted to pander to a different kind of audience

00:51:55.539 --> 00:51:58.760
oh there's a woman losing her mind because they

00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.559
took the the stuff out and replaced it with fourth

00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:06.559
of july stuff yeah But if you're going to promote

00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:11.760
yourself as having these ideals, you can't just

00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:16.179
sacrifice them because the conversation has shifted.

00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.340
You're either about it or you're not, which I

00:52:18.340 --> 00:52:19.780
think is a lot of the problem. But they have

00:52:19.780 --> 00:52:23.260
actually had, from what I understand, financial

00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:28.360
blowback from those changes. So much so that

00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:31.900
they had to completely change their price match

00:52:31.900 --> 00:52:34.789
policy. What do you mean? I mean, like they don't

00:52:34.789 --> 00:52:36.949
price match anymore. I didn't know they did.

00:52:37.090 --> 00:52:39.789
They're like they did. Yeah. You could go in

00:52:39.789 --> 00:52:44.309
there and their price match online store ads,

00:52:44.449 --> 00:52:46.909
anything like that. Yeah. I mean, they're definitely

00:52:46.909 --> 00:52:50.150
feeling the blowback from it. And I think one

00:52:50.150 --> 00:52:51.889
thing is like if you're going to change these

00:52:51.889 --> 00:52:54.730
policies, don't do it when it's trendy. If you're

00:52:54.730 --> 00:52:56.670
going to change these things, then just quietly

00:52:56.670 --> 00:52:59.349
change them and say, hey, we're going to do this

00:52:59.349 --> 00:53:01.489
now. But that's not what these people do because

00:53:01.489 --> 00:53:05.699
they want the. They want the clicks. They want

00:53:05.699 --> 00:53:11.400
the attention from, oh, well, we're doing this

00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:14.800
like all these other people are doing. So we're

00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:19.619
just as good as them. Yeah. And there has been

00:53:19.619 --> 00:53:28.500
a huge shift in this kind of stuff. The most

00:53:28.500 --> 00:53:31.099
ridiculous one is the Gulf of America thing.

00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:35.039
Yeah. Trump comes in, he says, it's not the Gulf

00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.019
of Mexico, it's the Gulf of America, because

00:53:38.019 --> 00:53:42.679
we're in North America, South America, Central

00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:44.599
America, it all touches America, it doesn't all

00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:48.440
touch Mexico. Okay, fine, whatever. But then,

00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:55.920
could you have imagined prior to the second Trump

00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:02.400
presidency that a company like Google Or a company

00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:06.340
like Apple would have changed that? Like, would

00:54:06.340 --> 00:54:09.699
have changed the status quo? To say, oh, no,

00:54:09.820 --> 00:54:13.980
we need to be America first. I mean, I wouldn't

00:54:13.980 --> 00:54:16.360
imagine they should be the authority on any of

00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:20.420
that stuff anyway. Regardless of what timeline

00:54:20.420 --> 00:54:23.039
you're looking at. They shouldn't, but they're

00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:29.039
front and center on this specific issue. Because

00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:33.460
everyone either uses... Google Maps or Apple

00:54:33.460 --> 00:54:36.840
Maps. And so for them to make that change, for

00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.420
them to be willing to, for something so ridiculous,

00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:41.800
all because they want to get those points and

00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:44.679
they want to be on the side that's in power.

00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:50.280
And it's all so obvious. And it's all just, it's

00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:55.260
bananas that people think that these companies

00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:57.900
are withholding to anything except for making

00:54:57.900 --> 00:55:02.489
more money. And with that, you can invite controversy,

00:55:02.730 --> 00:55:05.269
and it's either going to work out or it's not

00:55:05.269 --> 00:55:08.889
going to work out. I don't know anyone who bought

00:55:08.889 --> 00:55:12.429
more Pepsi because Kendall Jenner stopped racism.

00:55:12.590 --> 00:55:15.010
I have that one on my list, too. But we still

00:55:15.010 --> 00:55:20.750
talk about Pepsi and that commercial. We're still

00:55:20.750 --> 00:55:24.190
trying to get sponsored by Pepsi. We still talk

00:55:24.190 --> 00:55:28.110
about the ridiculous product placement in Madam

00:55:28.110 --> 00:55:30.719
Web. From Pepsi. To be fair, we just talk about

00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:32.440
Madam Web a lot. Of course, we're going to run

00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:37.760
into a sponsorship every once in a while. But

00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.780
I think that that kind of thing where like we've

00:55:40.780 --> 00:55:44.079
just lost either the ability or the willingness

00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.559
to be subtle is a lot of the reason that the

00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:49.880
American Eagle stuff is getting so much backlash.

00:55:51.059 --> 00:55:54.679
is that it's hard to take it in a context of

00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:57.159
like, yeah, no, they were just riffing off of

00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.579
this ad from the 80s or they were just talking

00:56:00.579 --> 00:56:02.760
about the jeans or whatever. I don't think that

00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.840
we have the capability anymore to exist without

00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:09.559
the context. And so even if they are playing

00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:12.519
to the people who are still shopping at American

00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.079
Eagle, whoever those people might be, because

00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:19.630
I don't really know, but it's still... It feels

00:56:19.630 --> 00:56:22.010
really gross from that perspective, that you

00:56:22.010 --> 00:56:24.349
don't go about any of this stuff without understanding

00:56:24.349 --> 00:56:28.429
the context and doing it anyway. Even if the

00:56:28.429 --> 00:56:31.769
point was to just be rage bait, which it likely

00:56:31.769 --> 00:56:35.769
was, that someone saw it and was like, this is

00:56:35.769 --> 00:56:39.030
how people are going to take it, because naturally,

00:56:39.230 --> 00:56:43.070
and that is going to be good or bad for us. Regardless

00:56:43.070 --> 00:56:45.570
of what side you're on, it starts the conversation.

00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:48.079
I don't shop at American Eagle. I'm still talking

00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:53.960
about them. And then you'll also get the boost

00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:56.519
in sales from the people that are against the

00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.559
people that are against your ad. So I don't know.

00:56:59.659 --> 00:57:02.480
I would be interested to see what their numbers

00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.699
look like a year from now versus last year. Six

00:57:05.699 --> 00:57:08.400
months from now versus the last six months. Because

00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:10.400
again, I don't think the people that are boycotting

00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.699
or threatening to boycott or have a problem with

00:57:12.699 --> 00:57:16.630
this ad are the ones that were... shopping there

00:57:16.630 --> 00:57:19.090
anyways all right and that is that's enough on

00:57:19.090 --> 00:57:22.269
on sydney sweeney uh the one that i had next

00:57:22.269 --> 00:57:24.530
was a tie -in to all of the blowback from the

00:57:24.530 --> 00:57:28.409
american eagle ad i don't think this one is deserved

00:57:28.409 --> 00:57:32.409
i think it is just incredibly poorly timed and

00:57:32.409 --> 00:57:36.489
that would be duncan donuts's new golden hour

00:57:36.489 --> 00:57:41.150
refresher ad it came out within days of the american

00:57:41.150 --> 00:57:43.369
eagle campaign i don't know are you familiar

00:57:43.369 --> 00:57:51.139
with this ad Not really. I knew that it was something

00:57:51.139 --> 00:57:54.900
to do that was very similar to the issues that

00:57:54.900 --> 00:57:58.400
people had with the American Eaglehead. So the

00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.199
general basis for this is that it is the golden

00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:06.820
hour refresher, and it is this very tanned actor.

00:58:07.460 --> 00:58:10.780
His name is Gavin. I don't remember what his

00:58:10.780 --> 00:58:12.679
last name is. He's from The Summer I Turned Pretty.

00:58:15.489 --> 00:58:19.849
He refers to it as having like the... Let me

00:58:19.849 --> 00:58:22.510
see if I can get the actual... He claims that

00:58:22.510 --> 00:58:25.869
his tan is due to great genetics. And that's

00:58:25.869 --> 00:58:27.309
why they tie it back into the American Eagle

00:58:27.309 --> 00:58:32.030
thing. But it's just not the same. This is just

00:58:32.030 --> 00:58:37.469
a dude by a pool drinking a Dunkin' Donuts thing.

00:58:37.590 --> 00:58:42.289
Just talking about how his tan is genetics. I

00:58:42.289 --> 00:58:45.960
don't know. It feels... Very much like not the

00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:52.760
same kind of issue. Not the same vaguely eugenic

00:58:52.760 --> 00:59:02.099
message. It reads a lot differently, but a lot

00:59:02.099 --> 00:59:05.039
of people are putting it on the same plane. Because

00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.079
also, why are we talking about genetics so much

00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.800
in our ads these days? What's the context around

00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:14.199
it? What do you mean? what's the context around

00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:19.260
him saying i tan because i have good genes or

00:59:19.260 --> 00:59:24.179
whatever so um so in the ad he says this tan

00:59:24.179 --> 00:59:26.679
genetics i just got my color analysis back and

00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:29.579
guess what golden summer then he goes into promoting

00:59:29.579 --> 00:59:36.860
the golden refresher which is not why is that

00:59:36.860 --> 00:59:41.920
one less egregious Because that one doesn't even

00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:45.960
have a pun attached to it. So that one is specifically

00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:51.019
talking about his genes. But there's not as much

00:59:51.019 --> 00:59:52.559
of a problem with that one as there is with the

00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.760
Sidney Sweeney one? Is it because of the optics?

00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:58.079
Because Sidney Sweeney is blonde hair and blue

00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:01.800
eyes? No. I think that the issue with this one

01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:07.119
is not the specific characteristics that give

01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.429
her good genes. This one doesn't feel like it's

01:00:10.429 --> 01:00:15.150
creating some kind of hierarchy. This dude is

01:00:15.150 --> 01:00:20.510
just saying, like, actually, I don't know. I'm

01:00:20.510 --> 01:00:22.750
not really sure what the difference would be.

01:00:22.809 --> 01:00:25.329
It feels less egregious, and I don't think that

01:00:25.329 --> 01:00:28.389
it's because of, like I said, the blonde -haired,

01:00:28.409 --> 01:00:33.929
blue -eyed thing. Because in the Sydney Sweeney

01:00:33.929 --> 01:00:35.829
one, she doesn't say, I have the best genes,

01:00:36.030 --> 01:00:40.039
the genes that everyone should have. Yeah. And

01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:42.599
in the Dunkin' Donuts one, he's saying, I have

01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:44.880
this thing that people want because I have the

01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:49.000
genes for it. So I have good genes because I

01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:53.519
can tan. I can be golden hour tanned. Yeah. I

01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:55.840
mean, he just says, this tan, genetics. That's

01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:00.239
not really a... That one seems more out front

01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:03.760
than the Sidney Sweeney one is. Maybe it's the

01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:07.840
fact that... For the Dunkin' Donuts one, they're

01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:10.679
just forthcoming with it. They're just saying,

01:01:10.739 --> 01:01:15.179
yeah, this is because of my genes versus doing

01:01:15.179 --> 01:01:19.420
a play on words and making a joke with it. Yeah.

01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:22.059
Either way, I don't think either one of them

01:01:22.059 --> 01:01:29.559
is. There was a commercial for something with

01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:36.409
George. What's his name? Just. completely leathery

01:01:36.409 --> 01:01:41.889
skin, George Hamilton. I don't know who that

01:01:41.889 --> 01:01:48.889
is. Look up a picture of him. And his whole identity

01:01:48.889 --> 01:01:52.570
was tanning. And there was a joke about, there

01:01:52.570 --> 01:01:56.369
was an ad with him in it, having something to

01:01:56.369 --> 01:01:58.570
do with him talking about his genetics and his

01:01:58.570 --> 01:02:03.530
tan. And no one was up in arms over that. Oh,

01:02:03.530 --> 01:02:08.139
he was the colonel? Yeah, he was the colonel

01:02:08.139 --> 01:02:11.800
for a little bit. I don't know. Between Rob Riggle

01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:15.940
and Reba. Alright, I think they're both in poor

01:02:15.940 --> 01:02:18.960
taste. Because of the conversations and the fear

01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:23.199
that is happening everywhere at the moment, it's

01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:28.820
just weird to dial into genetics. Like, I think

01:02:28.820 --> 01:02:33.579
it's just an odd choice. Is there a threat of

01:02:33.579 --> 01:02:38.360
eugenicizing everyone? right now i mean i think

01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:41.400
it's just fear in general i do think that that

01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:46.000
is a fear to a lot of people it's a conversation

01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:55.639
quite often but but how i i understand i understand

01:02:55.639 --> 01:03:02.880
the historical context of it and the the uh it

01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:06.039
being a leading factor in and things throughout

01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:13.500
history but in today's age how why is it a concern

01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:19.260
i don't know that i want to get too deep in the

01:03:19.260 --> 01:03:21.800
weeds on that one just because again politics

01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:27.079
are a divisive subject and i don't think that

01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.840
that's necessarily a thing that i want to want

01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:36.300
to get into here but I think a lot of the, the

01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:40.320
conversation that's been had recently with like

01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:45.039
alligator Alcatraz and the massive influx that

01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:48.099
we have of like hiring new ice agents and stuff.

01:03:48.139 --> 01:03:53.119
It's just, it's promoting a conversation that

01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:58.039
revolves around racism. And I think because of

01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:01.760
that, it is tone deaf to have ads like this.

01:04:02.989 --> 01:04:07.389
When you're aware of what is happening. Okay,

01:04:07.489 --> 01:04:11.289
yeah, I get that. I get that part. I was having

01:04:11.289 --> 01:04:14.630
a conversation recently about alligator alcatraz

01:04:14.630 --> 01:04:16.090
and some of the conversations that have been

01:04:16.090 --> 01:04:22.070
had from figures in power about it. And the thing

01:04:22.070 --> 01:04:24.809
that was said about 65 million people are about

01:04:24.809 --> 01:04:27.389
to get fed to the alligators, that's paraphrasing,

01:04:27.389 --> 01:04:30.699
but it's not far off. It's saying the quiet part

01:04:30.699 --> 01:04:32.460
out loud. It feels like that is something you

01:04:32.460 --> 01:04:35.500
should never say, A, because they're people,

01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:41.719
and B, because that is not the figure that I

01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:43.380
think a lot of people think it's supposed to

01:04:43.380 --> 01:04:48.780
be. This is the Trumpification of everything.

01:04:49.500 --> 01:04:54.679
And should people in power, people that have

01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:59.130
the ability to make these decisions, Saying things

01:04:59.130 --> 01:05:03.949
is off the cuff and as ridiculous as this. No.

01:05:04.449 --> 01:05:10.429
No. It's the same problem. We talked about Beto

01:05:10.429 --> 01:05:13.409
O 'Rourke a couple episodes ago, and it's the

01:05:13.409 --> 01:05:16.650
same problem I had with him. Like, oh, this is

01:05:16.650 --> 01:05:19.429
bullshit, and that's just supposed to be this

01:05:19.429 --> 01:05:22.070
huge thing. Like, oh, my God, a politician finally

01:05:22.070 --> 01:05:27.190
talking like me. But it's not doing what you

01:05:27.190 --> 01:05:29.489
want it to do. It's not having the effect you

01:05:29.489 --> 01:05:34.230
think it does. You are put in a position of power

01:05:34.230 --> 01:05:40.909
to make these decisions, and we want someone

01:05:40.909 --> 01:05:48.949
who is level -headed, who is respectful of both

01:05:48.949 --> 01:05:54.150
sides, who can make the arguments for us towards

01:05:54.150 --> 01:05:58.269
politicians that oppose us. in an eloquent way

01:05:58.269 --> 01:06:01.710
in a way that is actually going to make change

01:06:01.710 --> 01:06:04.889
happen you don't get that by just throwing around

01:06:04.889 --> 01:06:06.610
a curse word every now and then oh i'm not a

01:06:06.610 --> 01:06:08.590
person who's supposed to be cussing but i'll

01:06:08.590 --> 01:06:10.650
say this i'm just so fired up i'm going to say

01:06:10.650 --> 01:06:13.710
it like this and that's that's a that's a huge

01:06:13.710 --> 01:06:15.650
problem that trump it's i think it's expected

01:06:15.650 --> 01:06:18.190
of trump i don't know it's a problem that i have

01:06:18.190 --> 01:06:20.030
with trump too it's a problem that i have with

01:06:20.030 --> 01:06:24.489
uh all these politicians that think that that

01:06:24.489 --> 01:06:27.030
is just there they can just say whatever they

01:06:27.030 --> 01:06:29.530
want be as brash as possible and then that's

01:06:29.530 --> 01:06:34.170
going to be all that they need it's the same

01:06:34.170 --> 01:06:38.369
thing with Newsom trying to start stuff on Twitter

01:06:38.369 --> 01:06:42.710
with JD Vance with Trump with all these other

01:06:42.710 --> 01:06:46.369
people it's the same thing with clips of Jasmine

01:06:46.369 --> 01:06:50.730
Crockett that go all over the place and whatever

01:06:51.820 --> 01:06:55.260
But I do think that those become the headlines

01:06:55.260 --> 01:06:58.039
when the other stuff just gets pushed to the

01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.179
back. When the stuff that actually is the actual

01:07:00.179 --> 01:07:03.340
policies, is the actual things that are happening,

01:07:03.380 --> 01:07:06.960
gets pushed to the back because it's just a smokescreen.

01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:12.420
All the cussing and all the just idiocracy of

01:07:12.420 --> 01:07:14.679
it is the smokescreen for what's actually happening

01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:18.389
in the background. Whenever you start throwing

01:07:18.389 --> 01:07:21.510
in issues, like when you start saying phrases

01:07:21.510 --> 01:07:25.289
like eugenics, when you start associating all

01:07:25.289 --> 01:07:27.170
these things with these other things, you are

01:07:27.170 --> 01:07:29.409
trying, it's the same thing. You're trying to

01:07:29.409 --> 01:07:31.730
make it as brash as possible so that you can

01:07:31.730 --> 01:07:35.250
get people talking as much about it as possible,

01:07:35.349 --> 01:07:39.690
and then it's just a smokescreen. I think that

01:07:39.690 --> 01:07:44.530
the ICE isn't new. Detention centers aren't new.

01:07:46.460 --> 01:07:51.300
It's the way it was gone about. It's the brashness

01:07:51.300 --> 01:07:54.380
of it. It's the fact that we're going to put

01:07:54.380 --> 01:07:56.420
a prison in the middle of the Everglades. If

01:07:56.420 --> 01:07:58.639
they want to escape, have fun being alligator

01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:02.460
food. It's the, okay, well, they're trying to

01:08:02.460 --> 01:08:05.639
get all these people deported. This is eugenics.

01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:08.300
It's all the same stuff. It's all making sure

01:08:08.300 --> 01:08:11.679
that you escalate it to the point where you can...

01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:15.340
Make sure as many people are talking about it

01:08:15.340 --> 01:08:18.720
as possible. And you misconstrue it. You conflate

01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.439
things, one thing with another, that really aren't

01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:26.199
the same at all. And so you want to try to feed

01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:30.000
into the, which I don't think that the American

01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.460
Eagle thing is feeding into. I think it's just

01:08:33.460 --> 01:08:37.239
a, I won't even say it's a bad joke. I mean,

01:08:37.260 --> 01:08:41.060
it's something from the 80s. It's just recycled

01:08:41.060 --> 01:08:43.960
from the 80s. But now, because of the time, it

01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:46.500
has a different context, right? The one with

01:08:46.500 --> 01:08:48.420
Brick Shields was the same thing. To some extent,

01:08:48.619 --> 01:08:53.159
yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I do think that maybe

01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:55.979
there's a time and place for everything and that

01:08:55.979 --> 01:08:58.859
maybe this wasn't the time for it, but do I think

01:08:58.859 --> 01:09:01.539
that they should be put over the coals for it

01:09:01.539 --> 01:09:05.619
because they made a joke? Like, this generation

01:09:05.619 --> 01:09:08.640
is all about reboots. There's nothing original.

01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:11.199
Why are we surprised that this isn't original

01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:15.539
either? So at the end of the day, I think it's

01:09:15.539 --> 01:09:19.079
just, it's lazy because they just wanted to take

01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:23.220
something from before and make it, renew it and

01:09:23.220 --> 01:09:27.779
make it, not important, but they wanted to make

01:09:27.779 --> 01:09:30.520
it top of mind again. And they just happened

01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:35.159
to re -release it at a time that it could be

01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:37.560
controversial enough to get a lot of people talking

01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:39.720
about it. Yeah. I mean, I think as far as the,

01:09:39.819 --> 01:09:43.920
like the smoke screen things go, No, ICE is not

01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:46.399
new. No, the detention centers aren't new. But

01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:49.979
the way that they're going about it has changed.

01:09:50.460 --> 01:09:52.140
Partially because, like I said, they're saying

01:09:52.140 --> 01:09:55.960
the quiet part out loud. The thing that was said

01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:59.340
about 65 million meals for the alligators is

01:09:59.340 --> 01:10:03.159
the Hispanic population of the U .S. That's not

01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:05.460
based on the amount of illegal immigrants that

01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:07.039
we have in this country. It's based on the amount

01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:09.619
of Hispanic people. Who said it? Laura Loomer.

01:10:11.050 --> 01:10:15.989
Oh, good Lord. The fact that it's starting a

01:10:15.989 --> 01:10:18.630
conversation, I think, is still important. Because

01:10:18.630 --> 01:10:21.609
when you have people that are in positions where

01:10:21.609 --> 01:10:24.689
they can actually make change happen, and they

01:10:24.689 --> 01:10:26.869
are promoting these kind of ideals, it's dangerous.

01:10:27.789 --> 01:10:29.649
Yes, it's not the most important thing that's

01:10:29.649 --> 01:10:31.750
happening because there's still policies getting

01:10:31.750 --> 01:10:34.529
implemented behind the scenes that are drastically

01:10:34.529 --> 01:10:36.890
different from the conversations that we're hearing

01:10:36.890 --> 01:10:39.689
or the clickbait that we're falling prey to or

01:10:39.689 --> 01:10:43.670
whatever. Sure. as far as the ice agents go whenever

01:10:43.670 --> 01:10:49.210
like trump ran on largely two things and it was

01:10:49.210 --> 01:10:53.289
fixing the illegal immigrant population and the

01:10:53.289 --> 01:10:57.149
epstein list he immediately abandoned one of

01:10:57.149 --> 01:10:59.970
them the second that he got elected again and

01:10:59.970 --> 01:11:04.500
the other one he's doubled down on but In doubling

01:11:04.500 --> 01:11:06.880
down on that, whenever people voted for him,

01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:10.420
largely because he was so loud and upfront about

01:11:10.420 --> 01:11:12.680
the fact that he was going to do X, Y, and Z,

01:11:12.819 --> 01:11:16.720
those people are the ones that are racing to

01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:19.680
apply to these new ICE positions that opened

01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:21.800
up or these new jobs that have been created in

01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:24.739
that specific realm. A lot of those people applied

01:11:24.739 --> 01:11:28.359
to those jobs, not because they are necessarily

01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:30.460
the best suited for the job, but because they

01:11:30.460 --> 01:11:33.539
fell prey to... all of the things that they were

01:11:33.539 --> 01:11:36.239
told to believe. That is dangerous when you give

01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:37.920
people like that power. In the same way that

01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:41.880
whenever all of the ICE raids started happening,

01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:44.979
Gavin Newsom came out against the ones that were

01:11:44.979 --> 01:11:47.779
in California saying that the ICE agents shouldn't

01:11:47.779 --> 01:11:53.000
be allowed to have masks. And it feels a lot

01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:56.859
in that situation like there are valid reasons

01:11:56.859 --> 01:11:58.899
to have masks. Because if you're trying to...

01:11:59.670 --> 01:12:03.489
Like if you're trying to deport people that don't

01:12:03.489 --> 01:12:06.250
belong in this country anyway, then theoretically

01:12:06.250 --> 01:12:09.329
those people have dangerous connections. But

01:12:09.329 --> 01:12:13.489
also you have the ability to hide behind a mask

01:12:13.489 --> 01:12:15.710
in the same way that you can say dumb things

01:12:15.710 --> 01:12:18.630
online all of the time without any kind of consequence,

01:12:18.729 --> 01:12:20.569
because at the end of the day, you're just a

01:12:20.569 --> 01:12:23.909
profile. You're not an actual person. And so

01:12:23.909 --> 01:12:27.189
it's, it's, I think a different conversation.

01:12:28.170 --> 01:12:30.329
It's not the most important thing to be talking

01:12:30.329 --> 01:12:33.069
about, but it is still important. The fact that

01:12:33.069 --> 01:12:34.710
we have people in power that are parroting these

01:12:34.710 --> 01:12:39.729
kind of ideas is a problem. That is. And that's

01:12:39.729 --> 01:12:41.789
something that should be addressed. Will it be

01:12:41.789 --> 01:12:46.189
addressed? Probably not. Right. If enough people

01:12:46.189 --> 01:12:51.350
are vocal about it, then maybe. Maybe. Slowly

01:12:51.350 --> 01:12:54.430
but surely. As far as the mask thing goes, I

01:12:54.430 --> 01:12:57.779
don't know. Because everyday people... On the

01:12:57.779 --> 01:12:59.640
internet, you get someone riled up, all of a

01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:03.100
sudden they're hunting down your IP address and

01:13:03.100 --> 01:13:05.680
they're sending a SWAT team to your house. Yeah.

01:13:06.659 --> 01:13:11.340
You're hired to do a job that is dangerous, and

01:13:11.340 --> 01:13:16.500
so some anonymity may not be such a bad idea.

01:13:16.619 --> 01:13:22.659
That does give you a certain level of power to

01:13:22.659 --> 01:13:26.539
do some... things undetected but just like any

01:13:26.539 --> 01:13:29.760
other job you have a certain level of responsibility

01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:33.020
if you decide to abuse that then you should be

01:13:33.020 --> 01:13:36.060
punished for that yeah that doesn't mean that

01:13:36.060 --> 01:13:39.359
every single one of them is bad that doesn't

01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:43.140
mean that there aren't people that are that truly

01:13:43.140 --> 01:13:45.579
want to do the job that they were hired to do

01:13:45.579 --> 01:13:48.840
like they're supposed to do it and sometimes

01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:52.699
you need some help with maybe not being as identifiable

01:13:52.699 --> 01:13:57.380
as possible I know that there was also discourse

01:13:57.380 --> 01:14:02.079
of him making those statements, but then all

01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:06.079
these riots in California happening with people

01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:08.779
protesting and destroying their cities, all of

01:14:08.779 --> 01:14:11.520
them being masked up, people looting these places

01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:16.119
all masked up. So I think that if someone were

01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:19.560
to make that statement, I don't think Newsom

01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:25.640
was the one to make it. And I think that in order

01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:28.619
to accomplish the goal that they are trying to

01:14:28.619 --> 01:14:30.779
accomplish, I think that there's going to be

01:14:30.779 --> 01:14:36.560
some times where there's a difficult transitionary

01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:40.300
period, and that's what we're in right now. I

01:14:40.300 --> 01:14:44.539
do think that the rhetoric that surrounded this

01:14:44.539 --> 01:14:48.500
last election on both sides was meant to incite

01:14:48.500 --> 01:14:51.319
as many people as possible. And this is the outcome

01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:59.359
from that. It's the clickification of our world

01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:02.619
today. Everything's got to be a soundbite. Nothing

01:15:02.619 --> 01:15:05.119
has any nuance. Everything has to be fed to you,

01:15:05.220 --> 01:15:08.779
shoved in your face in the first 15 seconds or

01:15:08.779 --> 01:15:12.279
else no one's going to care about it. I don't

01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:14.720
know how you put that back in the box. I don't

01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:17.500
know how you bring nuance back. I don't know

01:15:17.500 --> 01:15:23.619
how... You bring civility back to any of this.

01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:31.479
But I think that going after a company, going

01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:38.579
after a spokesperson over an ad that made you

01:15:38.579 --> 01:15:41.520
feel a certain kind of way is ridiculous. And

01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:44.159
I think you're just feeding into it. Sure. You're

01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:49.729
feeding into the machine. That is feeding into

01:15:49.729 --> 01:15:52.350
everyone's fury, everyone's rage, everyone's

01:15:52.350 --> 01:15:59.310
whatever's. And it just is so, I don't know.

01:15:59.329 --> 01:16:04.369
Like I said, I don't see a solution to it. I

01:16:04.369 --> 01:16:08.649
don't see putting Pandora back in the box. Sure.

01:16:09.510 --> 01:16:14.069
Is Pandora in the box? Or is it just Pandora's

01:16:14.069 --> 01:16:17.779
box? I think it's Pandora's box. I don't think

01:16:17.779 --> 01:16:24.119
Pandora is in it. Just chaos? Chaos. Okay. Either

01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:25.659
way, you can't put it back in the box. Yeah.

01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:30.220
I mean, I think that Gen Z is making some moves

01:16:30.220 --> 01:16:34.800
to not try to close the box, because I do think

01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:36.859
we are too far gone in that respect, but to at

01:16:36.859 --> 01:16:38.380
least mitigate the damage that it's causing.

01:16:39.240 --> 01:16:42.279
like a lot of the the gen z people that are trying

01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:44.859
to move towards like the move towards flip phones

01:16:44.859 --> 01:16:47.300
it is crazy how many of those i see in austin

01:16:47.300 --> 01:16:50.460
or the move towards digital cameras instead of

01:16:50.460 --> 01:16:53.020
keeping your smartphone on you the the people

01:16:53.020 --> 01:16:58.579
that are conscious of the environment that they

01:16:58.579 --> 01:17:00.340
were raised in and are trying to be different

01:17:00.340 --> 01:17:03.899
because of it in that specific realm i think

01:17:03.899 --> 01:17:07.909
that that is That and having constructive conversations

01:17:07.909 --> 01:17:11.710
where you either are upfront about the fact that

01:17:11.710 --> 01:17:13.989
you don't know everything, because I think that

01:17:13.989 --> 01:17:16.789
is fundamentally the issue with so much of this,

01:17:16.909 --> 01:17:20.010
is that I don't know what I'm talking about,

01:17:20.170 --> 01:17:23.050
but I don't care. The louder that I get, the

01:17:23.050 --> 01:17:24.949
more that I feel like I'm getting my point across,

01:17:25.189 --> 01:17:28.449
which is just never the case. The more that I

01:17:28.449 --> 01:17:30.250
yell at you about the things that I believe in,

01:17:30.329 --> 01:17:32.619
the less you are going to listen to me. the less

01:17:32.619 --> 01:17:35.159
likely you are to believe me or anyone who believes

01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:39.779
what I believe. And the more bullheaded I am

01:17:39.779 --> 01:17:43.100
towards like the conversation that we're having,

01:17:43.159 --> 01:17:46.680
the less productive it gets. The more we start

01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:50.340
to alienate each other. The whole thing is supposed

01:17:50.340 --> 01:17:54.300
to be a agree to disagree situation. And we,

01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:57.159
for some reason, societally feel like we're just

01:17:57.159 --> 01:18:01.100
incapable of it now. You either agree with me

01:18:01.100 --> 01:18:04.869
or. you're wrong and I hate you. Like I've had

01:18:04.869 --> 01:18:07.930
so many political conversations where the person

01:18:07.930 --> 01:18:11.189
is so clearly not trying to hear a thing that

01:18:11.189 --> 01:18:13.010
I say. They're just trying to be in their own

01:18:13.010 --> 01:18:16.109
echo chamber. Like you can't start a political

01:18:16.109 --> 01:18:18.810
conversation if you're not here for any kind

01:18:18.810 --> 01:18:22.770
of nuance. I'm not here to validate you. I might

01:18:22.770 --> 01:18:24.810
agree with some of the stuff you say, but at

01:18:24.810 --> 01:18:28.310
the end of the day, like I'm still, I have the

01:18:28.310 --> 01:18:30.710
beliefs that I have. They're malleable. I will

01:18:30.710 --> 01:18:32.430
change them over time because that's what being

01:18:32.430 --> 01:18:40.050
a person is. But like, that's not, I don't know.

01:18:40.090 --> 01:18:43.890
It's the, it's just exhausting. The fact that

01:18:43.890 --> 01:18:46.069
we're not capable of having a conversation with

01:18:46.069 --> 01:18:50.989
any kind of nuance these days. Yeah, that is,

01:18:51.069 --> 01:18:55.369
uh, that's very frustrating. And it just, it

01:18:55.369 --> 01:18:58.859
leaves you to, it puts you in a, place where

01:18:58.859 --> 01:19:00.380
you just don't want to interact with anybody

01:19:00.380 --> 01:19:04.100
yeah because you don't you don't want to deal

01:19:04.100 --> 01:19:06.460
with it and i think that's a reasonable place

01:19:06.460 --> 01:19:09.359
to be because i think first and foremost should

01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:14.739
be your own sanity and so if you waste all your

01:19:14.739 --> 01:19:18.619
time worrying about other people's opinions and

01:19:18.619 --> 01:19:21.979
other people's feelings and and all that then

01:19:21.979 --> 01:19:25.840
you're you're not taking care of yourself first

01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:32.000
so I don't know, man. That was a lot more of

01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:35.260
a political, a lot longer of a political stint

01:19:35.260 --> 01:19:36.680
than I thought there would be in this episode.

01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:40.420
Do you want to, could we spread that? How much

01:19:40.420 --> 01:19:42.880
do you have? How much more do you have? I mean,

01:19:42.899 --> 01:19:46.180
we covered one and a half of my like seven different

01:19:46.180 --> 01:19:50.220
ads. So, I mean, I've got some wiggle room. I

01:19:50.220 --> 01:19:54.600
can talk more about the other ones. Okay. You

01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:56.840
want to split this to a two -parter? Yeah. Works

01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:02.090
for me. Okay. And that's what we'll do. Do you

01:20:02.090 --> 01:20:05.470
have any closing words of wisdom? I have a mission

01:20:05.470 --> 01:20:09.609
for any of our listeners. Oh, here we go. Sometime

01:20:09.609 --> 01:20:12.069
between this episode and when you listen to the

01:20:12.069 --> 01:20:14.069
next one, however long that may be, hopefully

01:20:14.069 --> 01:20:18.890
Thursday to Thursday, have a conversation with

01:20:18.890 --> 01:20:22.649
another person where you agree to disagree. Not

01:20:22.649 --> 01:20:25.460
everything is black and white. You can be wrong

01:20:25.460 --> 01:20:27.800
about things and you cannot know all of the facts.

01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:32.880
Accept that and don't try to bully people into

01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:39.680
your narrative. Listen. That's all I got. Anything

01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:45.140
for us? Any listeners? Search for the nuance.

01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:50.140
Make a concerted effort to find the nuance in

01:20:50.140 --> 01:20:53.550
whatever you're talking about. Whatever. You're

01:20:53.550 --> 01:20:56.630
dealing with. Find the nuance. There's not a

01:20:56.630 --> 01:20:58.850
right or wrong. It's not a yes or no. It's not

01:20:58.850 --> 01:21:03.609
a black or white. Find the nuance. And with that.

01:21:03.789 --> 01:21:07.470
And with that. We'll see you for part two. We'll

01:21:07.470 --> 01:21:12.510
see you. Peace out Girl Scouts. Make sure you

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01:21:29.670 --> 01:21:32.710
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