WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.719 Five, four, three, two, one, zero. Welcome to 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:14.519 the show, people. Welcome to the show. Eat my 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:22.739 shorts. So here is to conversation. Tranquility 00:00:22.739 --> 00:00:46.969 base here. Vehicle has landed. Welcome to the 00:00:46.969 --> 00:00:50.170 Cash Exchange. What up? All right, so your three 00:00:50.170 --> 00:00:53.570 things for today. What do deep dives into random 00:00:53.570 --> 00:00:56.789 IMDBs, filling digital shopping carts, and reading 00:00:56.789 --> 00:00:58.829 clickbait political articles have in common? 00:00:58.890 --> 00:01:01.770 That statement was a lot wordier than I, a lot 00:01:01.770 --> 00:01:03.390 harder to say than I thought it would be. They 00:01:03.390 --> 00:01:06.290 can keep you occupied for quite some time. This 00:01:06.290 --> 00:01:11.730 is true. That is essentially what I had for today. 00:01:11.829 --> 00:01:13.909 So they are all things that we do to kill time 00:01:13.909 --> 00:01:17.769 online. Nice. I definitely have my experience 00:01:17.769 --> 00:01:21.329 with that and feel like this is a conversation 00:01:21.329 --> 00:01:25.010 that I give a lot to. I have a lot of really 00:01:25.010 --> 00:01:26.810 bad habits when it comes to the internet, but 00:01:26.810 --> 00:01:30.549 I think one of my most personally annoying habits 00:01:30.549 --> 00:01:32.950 when it comes to the internet is that I can't 00:01:32.950 --> 00:01:36.790 watch a show or a movie and not end up on IMDb 00:01:36.790 --> 00:01:39.450 for someone or something because I recognize 00:01:39.450 --> 00:01:41.750 that guy from something and I'm going to figure 00:01:41.750 --> 00:01:44.400 out what it is. And then after that, you see 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:46.319 that he was in this other thing. Who did he play 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:48.780 in that thing? And then next thing you know, 00:01:48.980 --> 00:01:51.739 you're... The rabbit hole is endless. Your movie 00:01:51.739 --> 00:01:55.900 is over and you're just sitting on the up next 00:01:55.900 --> 00:01:58.959 screen and you didn't even watch any of what 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.400 you set out to watch. Yeah, realistically, I 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:04.659 could probably tell you anyone's bacon number. 00:02:04.780 --> 00:02:06.420 Do you remember the bacon number? Degrees of 00:02:06.420 --> 00:02:10.990 separation from bacon? Yeah. I had a phase where 00:02:10.990 --> 00:02:14.110 I was trying to, I don't know Kevin Bacon's filmography 00:02:14.110 --> 00:02:16.770 well enough to really play that game. But I think 00:02:16.770 --> 00:02:18.550 if I put some time behind it, I could probably 00:02:18.550 --> 00:02:21.830 figure out anyone's Bacon number. He definitely. 00:02:22.110 --> 00:02:24.849 He's been in some stuff. He's been around. He's 00:02:24.849 --> 00:02:27.189 been around the block and still going strong. 00:02:27.449 --> 00:02:30.710 I also have a habit. So these are all very personal 00:02:30.710 --> 00:02:33.139 to me. There are things that I wish I didn't 00:02:33.139 --> 00:02:34.879 do online because I have a really bad habit of 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:36.860 window shopping online. So I'll just like fill 00:02:36.860 --> 00:02:38.580 a cart and then decide that I don't actually 00:02:38.580 --> 00:02:41.120 need to go shopping. Which is probably for the 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:44.039 best. Abandon my cart. Yeah. That was absolutely 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:45.599 for the best. And then do you get the message 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:48.039 later on saying, hey, this stuff's still in your 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:50.620 cart. Are you ready to pull the trigger on it? 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:52.860 I get a notification from Amazon every single 00:02:52.860 --> 00:02:56.340 day. Hey, are you still looking at? No, I was 00:02:56.340 --> 00:02:59.860 a different person then. I'm not so big into 00:02:59.860 --> 00:03:02.460 the clickbaity political articles now because 00:03:02.460 --> 00:03:05.479 I get enough of that when I'm not actively seeking 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:09.180 it out. There have definitely been a couple recently 00:03:09.180 --> 00:03:12.439 that have caught me. I don't want to get into 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:15.860 a political conversation, but everything is bananas 00:03:15.860 --> 00:03:18.800 right now. There's a lot of clickbait to be found. 00:03:18.900 --> 00:03:25.840 That is a very, very... kid glove way of saying 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:28.240 it that everything is bananas right now everything 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.039 is bananas right now yeah i don't want to i think 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:33.080 that's the perfect way to phrase it yeah i mean 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.340 bananas we don't know what's coming down the 00:03:36.340 --> 00:03:41.199 line so uh just give it some time and see how 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:44.139 everything shakes out all right and speaking 00:03:44.139 --> 00:03:47.580 of politics and the internet today's topic is 00:03:47.580 --> 00:03:51.150 doom scrolling Don't think that I had to edit 00:03:51.150 --> 00:03:54.270 anything because of the context of the TikTok 00:03:54.270 --> 00:03:56.530 ban, but I will say that I did write all of this 00:03:56.530 --> 00:03:58.409 when I thought it was still going to be banned. 00:03:58.949 --> 00:04:00.889 I'm not 100 % sure why I thought it was going 00:04:00.889 --> 00:04:05.509 to hold, but it lasted a total of about 10 hours. 00:04:05.909 --> 00:04:09.389 Maybe, maybe, yeah. Maybe 12. And if you listen 00:04:09.389 --> 00:04:15.150 to our, what episode was that? Which one are 00:04:15.150 --> 00:04:18.449 we? The last one, the one last night. Parodies. 00:04:18.689 --> 00:04:20.850 Parodies. If you listen to our parodies, then 00:04:20.850 --> 00:04:25.810 you, you lucky, lucky person, get to hear my 00:04:25.810 --> 00:04:28.430 live reaction to realizing that I no longer have 00:04:28.430 --> 00:04:32.449 access to TikTok. Yeah, he, in case you didn't 00:04:32.449 --> 00:04:33.949 listen to that one, he thought that it was going 00:04:33.949 --> 00:04:37.389 to be canceled the next day. Or at least that 00:04:37.389 --> 00:04:39.149 it would happen at midnight, but we are in the 00:04:39.149 --> 00:04:41.889 central time zone and not the eastern, which 00:04:41.889 --> 00:04:44.689 is where it actually... I actually got shut down. 00:04:44.829 --> 00:04:47.610 So I went through a semi -spiral, but you know 00:04:47.610 --> 00:04:50.810 what? I came through, and then I wasn't even 00:04:50.810 --> 00:04:54.209 the one to recognize that it was back up and 00:04:54.209 --> 00:04:57.449 running. That was the person across the table 00:04:57.449 --> 00:05:00.870 from me. I'm not proud of it, but I instinctively 00:05:00.870 --> 00:05:03.029 picked up my phone and was going to doom scroll 00:05:03.029 --> 00:05:05.850 through TikTok, and it worked. It wasn't supposed 00:05:05.850 --> 00:05:08.189 to, but it did. And then she had the audacity 00:05:08.189 --> 00:05:11.490 to try to rub it in my face. Oh, I got access 00:05:11.490 --> 00:05:15.199 to TikTok. I don't think I was rubbing it in 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.319 your face. You didn't say, hey, is your TikTok 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.839 working? It was, hey, I got access to TikTok, 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:24.660 and then you showed me your phone. And then you 00:05:24.660 --> 00:05:27.040 kind of in turn picked up your phone and checked 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.439 if you also had TikTok. I forced closed TikTok 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:33.920 on my phone and then opened it back up, and then 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:35.879 I did too, and that took all the wind out of 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.300 your sails. I thought I was special. Well. It's 00:05:40.300 --> 00:05:44.040 a damn shame. Welcome to 2025. Being special 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.519 isn't enough anymore. Therefore, no one is. Exactly. 00:05:48.139 --> 00:05:50.240 I'm not getting thrown into an existential crisis 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.060 this early on. So anyway, doomscrolling. Doomscrolling. 00:05:54.740 --> 00:05:58.160 So I was trying to figure out what the kind of 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:01.519 history of doomscrolling is and where that kind 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.500 of term originated. Because in my head, it would 00:06:04.500 --> 00:06:08.180 have started whenever social media did. So I 00:06:08.180 --> 00:06:11.699 wasn't on MySpace, so I don't know. Kind of what 00:06:11.699 --> 00:06:14.000 that interface looked like, if that was something 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:15.740 that you could really scroll on. Well, for my 00:06:15.740 --> 00:06:19.939 real old folks, there's Xanga. X -A -N -G -A. 00:06:20.620 --> 00:06:24.680 What the hell is that? That was MySpace before 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:28.019 MySpace was MySpace. I thought, was it before 00:06:28.019 --> 00:06:32.899 Friendster? Not sure. But I know that you could, 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:35.980 like, it's pretty much just like making your 00:06:35.980 --> 00:06:39.480 own webpage. But it was a precursor to you could 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:43.860 do everything that you could do on Facebook or 00:06:43.860 --> 00:06:47.100 Instagram or anything like that today. Okay. 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:49.920 So I thought that doom scrolling would have started 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:52.439 somewhere around there. That would make sense, 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:54.439 yeah. If it didn't start with MySpace, that it 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:56.699 at least started with Vine, the short form video 00:06:56.699 --> 00:07:00.819 scrollable thing. But in kind of researching 00:07:00.819 --> 00:07:02.500 this episode, the first time that I found that 00:07:02.500 --> 00:07:05.860 term used was during the pandemic. Which means 00:07:05.860 --> 00:07:09.459 that TikTok was kind of the catalyst for the 00:07:09.459 --> 00:07:12.319 concept of doom scrolling. Whenever TikTok started 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:14.720 taking off, you definitely had all these people 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:16.720 saying, well, this is a Chinese spying app and 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:18.680 all this other stuff. But once that subsided, 00:07:18.779 --> 00:07:22.339 then you were left with the people saying, well, 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:24.620 this is just brain rot and this is all your stuff. 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:27.199 And this is just going to drop our kids even 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.319 farther down. Especially when you read this stuff 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.050 about the... the Chinese side of it, the side 00:07:33.050 --> 00:07:36.629 that actually owns it, and them having very strict 00:07:36.629 --> 00:07:41.670 content restrictions and time limits on their 00:07:41.670 --> 00:07:45.329 end, but not on ours. Yeah. I will say that whenever 00:07:45.329 --> 00:07:47.709 I originally downloaded TikTok, it was because 00:07:47.709 --> 00:07:50.569 it was during the pandemic and I was in a mental 00:07:50.569 --> 00:07:54.310 hole. And I do think that it was, it's still 00:07:54.310 --> 00:07:58.240 95 % at least brain rot. I don't think that there 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.839 are necessarily enough good and useful things 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:04.259 on the app for the amount of time that I spend 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:07.620 on it to make sense. So if I were to just use 00:08:07.620 --> 00:08:10.040 it for, like, I needed to search a recipe or 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:13.259 a tutorial on how to crochet a thing, which is 00:08:13.259 --> 00:08:16.579 what I'm working on now. I've picked up a lot 00:08:16.579 --> 00:08:18.759 of hobbies and learned a lot of cool things because 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:21.360 of TikTok. No, I mean, there's definitely a lot 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:24.420 of good qualities that have come from the app, 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:28.040 but then... There is also a plethora of things 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:30.939 that you don't want that have also come from 00:08:30.939 --> 00:08:34.340 it. Yeah. When did you download TikTok? I was 00:08:34.340 --> 00:08:39.679 a late adopter. I bought into all the brain rot 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.179 and all that stuff. And then one day it was just, 00:08:43.220 --> 00:08:45.759 you know, if you can't beat them, join them. 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:48.159 And that's when it ended up happening. Yeah. 00:08:48.179 --> 00:08:51.629 Well, I think that... So much of the reputation 00:08:51.629 --> 00:08:53.809 for TikTok was that it was like these middle 00:08:53.809 --> 00:08:56.090 schoolers dancing. So at a certain age, it feels 00:08:56.090 --> 00:08:58.149 like it's something that you're not supposed 00:08:58.149 --> 00:09:00.549 to be a part of. I definitely thought that whenever 00:09:00.549 --> 00:09:03.110 I opened it the first time was I don't want to 00:09:03.110 --> 00:09:06.090 be on an app where it's just like 15 -year -olds 00:09:06.090 --> 00:09:08.809 dancing to whatever 15 -year -olds listen to. 00:09:08.809 --> 00:09:10.730 Well, that's how it started. It started out as 00:09:10.730 --> 00:09:15.929 a dance app. And that's where one of the bigger 00:09:15.929 --> 00:09:19.519 ones that came out of it was Charlie. D 'Amelio 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:23.360 and all of her peeps. Still blows my mind that 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:25.940 they got a Hulu series. Yeah, I mean, all you 00:09:25.940 --> 00:09:29.019 need is to ride that 15 seconds of fame, and 00:09:29.019 --> 00:09:32.019 then if you can milk it long enough to get a 00:09:32.019 --> 00:09:35.179 reality show, then you're pretty well set. Or 00:09:35.179 --> 00:09:38.840 a crypto. Shout out to whatever the actual name 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:41.059 of the hot two -year -old girl is. Sure, yeah. 00:09:41.620 --> 00:09:44.960 Spit on that thing. Insane thing to be known 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:48.460 for. Insane thing to put your life savings into. 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:52.100 Absolutely. Insane all the way around. Insane 00:09:52.100 --> 00:09:55.399 all the way around, yeah. So is there, how much 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:57.159 time would you say that you spend on TikTok per 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:06.679 week? Too much. Yeah? With my job, I have a lot 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:10.799 of downtime in between having to do things. And 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:15.009 so... Let's just take a gander real quick and 00:10:15.009 --> 00:10:17.629 find out. I forgot that there's a screen time 00:10:17.629 --> 00:10:20.610 feature on your phone. Just so we know. Welcome 00:10:20.610 --> 00:10:23.149 back. Thanks for your patience and support. As 00:10:23.149 --> 00:10:25.169 a result of President Trump's efforts, TikTok 00:10:25.169 --> 00:10:28.009 is back in the U .S. You can continue to create, 00:10:28.129 --> 00:10:30.429 share, and discover all the things you love on 00:10:30.429 --> 00:10:33.129 TikTok. Isn't he still former President Trump 00:10:33.129 --> 00:10:36.139 until tomorrow? it should be president elect 00:10:36.139 --> 00:10:39.820 trump yeah but hey and we got hd back that was 00:10:39.820 --> 00:10:41.240 another thing that happened that was the first 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.879 thing i noticed whenever tiktok whenever you 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.720 informed me that tiktok was back is that everything 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.720 looked like it was coming off a tv from the 90s 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:53.379 yeah but hey it looks like now we got a full 00:10:53.379 --> 00:10:56.200 resolution back so yeah i mean a lot of people 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.399 are leaning really hard into the retro thing 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.559 so if they did go back to the 90s television 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:03.740 static quality then I don't think it'd be the 00:11:03.740 --> 00:11:07.080 worst thing yeah I'd spend less time on it I'm 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.879 going to release these numbers but I'm not going 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:13.820 to be alone so you also have to release your 00:11:13.820 --> 00:11:20.179 numbers okay so for the week of January 12th 00:11:20.179 --> 00:11:24.320 to January 18th oh okay well this is better than 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:27.539 I thought it would be so for that seven day span 00:11:27.539 --> 00:11:33.559 a total of Five hours and 17 minutes. Five hours 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:37.340 and seven minutes during the day and only 10 00:11:37.340 --> 00:11:39.899 minutes at night. What constitutes nighttime? 00:11:40.539 --> 00:11:43.100 Between 6 p .m. and 6 a .m., so that makes sense. 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.120 Are we about to find out that you need an intervention? 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:53.519 Yes. I spend about an hour on it per day. I mean... 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.559 Which is not... You're doing a lot of transitional 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:59.730 stuff right now, so you've got a lot of... A 00:11:59.730 --> 00:12:02.110 lot of free time in between getting things settled 00:12:02.110 --> 00:12:06.710 here. So I think that maybe you should have to 00:12:06.710 --> 00:12:10.230 go back. I don't know what. Go back two months. 00:12:10.690 --> 00:12:12.870 Two months? Two months. Let's see how far back 00:12:12.870 --> 00:12:15.509 it goes. And I'll do the same. I'll go back two 00:12:15.509 --> 00:12:19.009 months. Okay, you can only go back like a month. 00:12:20.169 --> 00:12:22.730 The farthest I can go back is December 29th to 00:12:22.730 --> 00:12:26.289 January 4th. And that was seven hours and 48 00:12:26.289 --> 00:12:31.480 minutes. I can't, yeah, mine doesn't get granular 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:36.700 enough to give me specifics too far back. But 00:12:36.700 --> 00:12:43.860 I will say that now that TikTok was gone for 00:12:43.860 --> 00:12:45.899 a very short amount of time and I realized how 00:12:45.899 --> 00:12:49.379 many times I just opened it instinctually, that 00:12:49.379 --> 00:12:50.899 that's definitely a thing I want to be conscious 00:12:50.899 --> 00:12:53.440 of, is that I doom -scrolled a lot on TikTok, 00:12:53.620 --> 00:12:58.639 especially in the sense that, like, I was mentioning, 00:12:59.230 --> 00:13:03.610 a little bit ago that I had this, like, I was 00:13:03.610 --> 00:13:05.769 watching the band play as the ship went down 00:13:05.769 --> 00:13:07.529 in the Titanic. I was watching all of these people 00:13:07.529 --> 00:13:11.610 make their, like, last TikTok videos and all 00:13:11.610 --> 00:13:14.309 of the brands and stuff, all the influencers 00:13:14.309 --> 00:13:17.730 doing the family guy sound that, like, since 00:13:17.730 --> 00:13:20.070 we're all about to die, I didn't care for the 00:13:20.070 --> 00:13:22.169 godfather. And just admitting this out -of -pocket 00:13:22.169 --> 00:13:25.009 stuff that people got monetized for. Mm -hmm. 00:13:25.090 --> 00:13:27.049 They were like, actually, I've been deceiving 00:13:27.049 --> 00:13:30.860 you for years. And it grosses me out now that 00:13:30.860 --> 00:13:36.100 TikTok is actually back. So I don't know if it's 00:13:36.100 --> 00:13:38.659 going to happen because I am aware of my own 00:13:38.659 --> 00:13:40.519 willpower and also the fact that I have a lot 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:42.919 of free time on my hands right now. But I would 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:46.240 like to delete TikTok. It's not good for my psyche. 00:13:46.820 --> 00:13:49.200 I found some cool stuff on it. You're saying 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:55.039 that this whole experience losing TikTok was 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:59.700 a reset in your head about... what maybe your 00:13:59.700 --> 00:14:02.179 priorities need to be moving forward yes yeah 00:14:02.179 --> 00:14:07.559 okay see see so if trump hadn't have brought 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:10.980 it back then you wouldn't have that perspective 00:14:10.980 --> 00:14:13.539 now that you do have it back you would just be 00:14:13.539 --> 00:14:16.580 missing it but if i didn't have it i would also 00:14:16.580 --> 00:14:19.860 learn to adjust without it you just move on to 00:14:19.860 --> 00:14:23.370 something else sure yeah So I had a question 00:14:23.370 --> 00:14:25.490 on the research for this episode that I was going 00:14:25.490 --> 00:14:27.529 to ask you, which is a little bit different now 00:14:27.529 --> 00:14:29.610 that we do have TikTok back. I was going to ask 00:14:29.610 --> 00:14:31.889 you what you thought was going to replace TikTok 00:14:31.889 --> 00:14:33.710 in terms of doom scrolling, or if there would 00:14:33.710 --> 00:14:35.490 be a replacement, or if people were actually 00:14:35.490 --> 00:14:38.090 going to spend a little bit less time on their 00:14:38.090 --> 00:14:41.669 phones. I think that void would probably be filled 00:14:41.669 --> 00:14:44.330 up pretty quickly. People might be more inclined 00:14:44.330 --> 00:14:47.840 to go back to like a YouTube short. type of thing 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:51.120 okay I don't think that that platform is very 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:56.820 conducive to the the way that TikTok operates 00:14:56.820 --> 00:15:00.919 because it's not its own thing it's you would 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:05.539 probably get Google to develop YouTube shorts 00:15:05.539 --> 00:15:07.639 and split it off into its own thing to where 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:09.580 it was like because I'm sure they would love 00:15:09.580 --> 00:15:13.000 that but they know that TikTok is such a behemoth 00:15:13.389 --> 00:15:16.669 that they can't even attempt to come close. And 00:15:16.669 --> 00:15:19.370 that's why YouTube Shorts is kind of like a running 00:15:19.370 --> 00:15:24.549 joke right now. Yeah. Like you can get a lot 00:15:24.549 --> 00:15:27.950 more views on someone just randomly scrolling 00:15:27.950 --> 00:15:30.789 if that's all they're there to do. If you go 00:15:30.789 --> 00:15:32.350 on TikTok, you're just there to scroll through 00:15:32.350 --> 00:15:36.730 stuff. Yeah. It's not likely that you, sometimes 00:15:36.730 --> 00:15:40.669 I do, sometimes I go to look for something that 00:15:40.669 --> 00:15:44.120 I heard about specifically. If there is like 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.039 a little blurb I heard somewhere, then I'm going 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.019 to go to TikTok to see if I can just get a snippet 00:15:48.019 --> 00:15:51.299 of whatever that story is or whatever I heard 00:15:51.299 --> 00:15:54.100 and get confirmation on it. But I'm not going 00:15:54.100 --> 00:15:57.240 to YouTube, especially because I don't really 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:01.419 use YouTube on my phone. If I do, it's because 00:16:01.419 --> 00:16:05.039 I'm doing something else and my phone is just 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:06.659 what happens to be right there. So I'm watching 00:16:06.659 --> 00:16:08.480 a video on it, but I'm not touching my phone. 00:16:08.899 --> 00:16:12.289 I'm not scrolling through stuff. And so I think 00:16:12.289 --> 00:16:18.929 that if Google had had the opportunity to take 00:16:18.929 --> 00:16:22.590 YouTube shorts or even create its own thing and 00:16:22.590 --> 00:16:26.509 make it the new TikTok, then I think that this 00:16:26.509 --> 00:16:29.409 whole TikTok thing wouldn't have taken place. 00:16:29.690 --> 00:16:33.830 But, you know, it's funny because we're so worried 00:16:33.830 --> 00:16:39.309 about Chinese spies on our apps and giving information 00:16:39.309 --> 00:16:42.340 to... these apps controlled by other countries, 00:16:42.419 --> 00:16:47.159 but how, how is Google much different than what 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:51.039 Google has more power than you could ever know 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.840 that you could ever wrap your head around. So 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:58.679 how is that any different than the, the TikTok 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:00.840 stuff, just because they're American based, there's 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:02.899 plenty of American based companies that do not 00:17:02.899 --> 00:17:05.640 have your best interest at heart and do not have 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:10.140 your privacy and your safety top of mind. Yeah, 00:17:10.140 --> 00:17:14.259 so much of the stuff around this conversation 00:17:14.259 --> 00:17:17.660 about like banning TikTok has also brought meta 00:17:17.660 --> 00:17:20.920 into like the forefront and about all of the 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:24.740 stuff that we've given up to meta over the years 00:17:24.740 --> 00:17:28.819 because they were kind of the first one. And 00:17:28.819 --> 00:17:31.279 so a lot of people agreed to things that they 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:33.940 really shouldn't have because it was just, we 00:17:33.940 --> 00:17:37.380 were so blinded by this kind of new thing that 00:17:37.380 --> 00:17:39.400 connected us with TikTok. everyone that we needed 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.500 to connect with. And then it just got more and 00:17:42.500 --> 00:17:45.839 more perverse until it ended up, they know more 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.700 about me than I will ever know about myself because 00:17:48.700 --> 00:17:51.400 they have aggregate data of, I think I've had 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:54.740 a Facebook technically since like 2010 maybe. 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.799 So like all of my, most of my formative years 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:00.859 up to this point, cause I haven't deleted my 00:18:00.859 --> 00:18:05.759 account, but like it's, I think conversations 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:08.730 like this and. All of the narrative that's happening 00:18:08.730 --> 00:18:12.390 around TikTok, it's kind of nauseating if you 00:18:12.390 --> 00:18:14.230 think about the actual scope of the information 00:18:14.230 --> 00:18:17.509 that we've given out to all kinds of people. 00:18:19.369 --> 00:18:23.190 What I think also is happening is that enough 00:18:23.190 --> 00:18:26.410 people are starting to wake up to how much of 00:18:26.410 --> 00:18:28.829 their daily lives are controlled by these giant 00:18:28.829 --> 00:18:32.369 tech companies. And they're starting to speak 00:18:32.369 --> 00:18:34.630 out about it. And now these companies are starting 00:18:34.630 --> 00:18:39.000 to backtrack. Like all the stuff that Zuckerberg 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.460 just came out with about how they're going to 00:18:41.460 --> 00:18:43.700 get rid of their fact -checking system and all 00:18:43.700 --> 00:18:47.660 this other stuff and try to alleviate the censorship, 00:18:47.859 --> 00:18:56.240 which I would be okay with an unbiased opinion 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:02.420 on whether a news article or a comment or whatever 00:19:02.420 --> 00:19:06.329 was actually true or not. But the problem is 00:19:06.329 --> 00:19:08.349 that you're not going to have someone that is 00:19:08.349 --> 00:19:11.170 truly unbiased. And then you're going to have 00:19:11.170 --> 00:19:14.309 people start attacking the information they don't 00:19:14.309 --> 00:19:16.569 like in order to promote their own information. 00:19:17.230 --> 00:19:20.049 And it's a flawed system, but that's because 00:19:20.049 --> 00:19:23.029 there's humans at the helm. But I don't think 00:19:23.029 --> 00:19:25.390 that AI is a good replacement for it either, 00:19:25.490 --> 00:19:29.049 because then you're just solely giving all of 00:19:29.049 --> 00:19:33.490 the controls to these gigantic companies. Yeah, 00:19:33.490 --> 00:19:36.980 which is also... Not related, but if you give 00:19:36.980 --> 00:19:40.059 AI so much power, it's also the way to send the 00:19:40.059 --> 00:19:42.420 environment to hell in a handbasket. Have you 00:19:42.420 --> 00:19:45.700 heard of the kind of environmental impact of 00:19:45.700 --> 00:19:50.140 ChatGPT? So ChatGPT is run through data centers. 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:55.299 And so every time you request, like say you want 00:19:55.299 --> 00:20:00.299 a recipe for carbonara, if you were to ask ChatGPT 00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:02.859 for that, it's going to crowdsource all of its 00:20:02.859 --> 00:20:04.750 information before it actually... puts anything 00:20:04.750 --> 00:20:07.069 back on you. It's going to source that information 00:20:07.069 --> 00:20:10.710 from hundreds of thousands of places. That is 00:20:10.710 --> 00:20:13.130 a lot of computing power. And if you've used 00:20:13.130 --> 00:20:16.390 a laptop that's gotten too hot, you realize that 00:20:16.390 --> 00:20:19.490 if you were trying to make your laptop do 100 00:20:19.490 --> 00:20:24.029 ,000 things at once, it would burn. And so these 00:20:24.029 --> 00:20:26.230 data centers require a lot of water to cool them, 00:20:26.369 --> 00:20:30.369 which it's not, I don't think, a real tinfoil 00:20:30.369 --> 00:20:33.099 hat thing to... to kind of make by extension 00:20:33.099 --> 00:20:35.460 is that a lot of the issues with like the California 00:20:35.460 --> 00:20:38.960 wildfires were that they didn't have the water 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:42.079 to fight these fires. And a lot of the problems 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:43.759 that we've had with sourcing water is because 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:46.380 a lot of that goes into data centers. It's making 00:20:46.380 --> 00:20:48.299 sure that stuff like that stays cool. I didn't 00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:52.359 know that. Chat GPT is so bad for the environment. 00:20:52.460 --> 00:20:54.720 And it's a thing that we don't really think about 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:58.900 necessarily because in my head until I probably 00:20:58.900 --> 00:21:02.059 watched a video on TikTok. But in my head, it 00:21:02.059 --> 00:21:04.839 was just like the same kind of computing power 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:07.059 that it would take to just search something on 00:21:07.059 --> 00:21:11.220 Google. But it is in no way, shape, or form that 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:16.900 simple. AI is going to be a very bad thing for 00:21:16.900 --> 00:21:19.200 the environment. I mean, one thing it all boils 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.180 down to is you just have to find a happy medium. 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.039 You're not going to be able to stop the snowball 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:30.109 effect of all the... The AI stuff, the chat GBTs, 00:21:30.250 --> 00:21:33.690 the TikToks, the algorithms, the gathering all 00:21:33.690 --> 00:21:35.910 your information. So we just need to find a way 00:21:35.910 --> 00:21:39.849 to mitigate the damages for as long as possible. 00:21:40.289 --> 00:21:42.630 And I'm going to tell you right now, this is 00:21:42.630 --> 00:21:45.210 not the show to get that information from. Oh, 00:21:45.210 --> 00:21:48.210 absolutely not. But we're just giving our opinions 00:21:48.210 --> 00:21:51.829 on some silly stuff that's happening. I do think 00:21:51.829 --> 00:21:53.789 that one of the good things that we're going 00:21:53.789 --> 00:21:55.450 to get out of this is a little bit more conscious 00:21:55.450 --> 00:21:59.920 consumption. Yeah. The conversation that's happened 00:21:59.920 --> 00:22:01.759 for all of the time that they've been talking 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:05.960 about banning TikTok and all of the kind of things 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:08.019 that Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk and stuff 00:22:08.019 --> 00:22:12.599 have said in that sort of context is, I think 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:14.720 a lot of people are becoming a little more aware 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.160 of exactly what they're doing when they're online. 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:20.480 And it's kind of a diminishing returns thing. 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:25.160 Yeah. At least from my perspective, it is. I 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:26.759 understand the things that I'm gaining because 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:29.619 I'm spending more time online, but I also am 00:22:29.619 --> 00:22:31.380 more acutely aware of the things I'm giving up 00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:35.940 for it. Yeah. Yeah, I think that all these things, 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:44.079 every market, every app, every whatever has a 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:46.779 bubble. And the bigger that bubble gets, by the 00:22:46.779 --> 00:22:49.079 more people that use it, by the more people that 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:51.380 are talking about it, eventually that bubble 00:22:51.380 --> 00:22:53.259 is going to get so unstable it's going to pop. 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:55.960 Yeah. And so I think that this is probably the 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:59.119 popping of the TikTok bubble. And I think that 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:00.900 moving forward, there's probably going to be 00:23:00.900 --> 00:23:04.079 a lot more, not necessarily restrictions, but 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:06.960 more eyes put on it so that things don't get 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:09.720 completely out of control. Yeah, I think that 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:13.859 for me personally, it was also a thing of whenever 00:23:13.859 --> 00:23:17.240 there started being all of these like copycats 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:21.569 of the app, the big tech giants that... I really 00:23:21.569 --> 00:23:23.950 questioned how much time and energy I was putting 00:23:23.950 --> 00:23:26.069 into any of it. So like when Threads came out, 00:23:26.130 --> 00:23:30.089 which is basically just Meta's Twitter, or whenever 00:23:30.089 --> 00:23:32.970 YouTube Shorts came out, which was just Google's 00:23:32.970 --> 00:23:35.910 TikTok. Like the fact that there's now a Twitter 00:23:35.910 --> 00:23:39.410 that's specific to like liberals. It's called 00:23:39.410 --> 00:23:42.710 like Blue Sky. It's going to say Blue Zone, but 00:23:42.710 --> 00:23:46.410 that's definitely not right. There's that Trump 00:23:46.410 --> 00:23:49.650 one. Truth social. Truth social. The fact that 00:23:49.650 --> 00:23:51.990 there's just all of these kind of echo chambers 00:23:51.990 --> 00:23:55.150 where you're allowed to be as loud with the people 00:23:55.150 --> 00:23:57.109 that believe exactly the way that you do as you 00:23:57.109 --> 00:24:00.630 want. Uncontested. It's gross. Everyone's entitled 00:24:00.630 --> 00:24:02.589 to their own opinion, but I don't think that 00:24:02.589 --> 00:24:04.930 we should be in this kind of vacuum. I don't 00:24:04.930 --> 00:24:08.089 think it helps anyone. No. And I think that, 00:24:08.210 --> 00:24:12.329 I mean, I'm not a social media poster. I take 00:24:12.329 --> 00:24:15.140 the information and I... I mean, I would love 00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:17.119 to say that I do something with it in my personal 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:24.880 life, but I don't really. But I can see the endorphins 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:29.460 that people get from getting someone riled up 00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:31.279 on the internet, some stranger, you don't know 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:34.700 them, but you know that you got someone's goat 00:24:34.700 --> 00:24:36.420 and they're going after you because you said 00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:40.180 something they didn't like. And all the elation 00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:43.049 that comes from... those kind of feelings. Like 00:24:43.049 --> 00:24:45.529 I understand that part. I know a lot of people 00:24:45.529 --> 00:24:49.190 that live their entire lives based off of likes 00:24:49.190 --> 00:24:52.569 and shares and all that stuff. And that's just 00:24:52.569 --> 00:24:55.569 not me. And if that's you, that's fine. But that 00:24:55.569 --> 00:25:00.970 also comes at a pretty hefty consequence or a 00:25:00.970 --> 00:25:05.150 pretty hefty price of just what are you having 00:25:05.150 --> 00:25:09.849 to give in order to get that? Yeah. There aren't 00:25:09.849 --> 00:25:12.630 free things in this world. Mm -hmm. Especially 00:25:12.630 --> 00:25:15.250 in the sense of apps and stuff. If you're not 00:25:15.250 --> 00:25:16.869 paying for the app itself, you're paying with 00:25:16.869 --> 00:25:19.809 something else. You are the payment. Yeah. Your 00:25:19.809 --> 00:25:25.509 information is the payment. Circling back a little 00:25:25.509 --> 00:25:29.369 less. Doom and gloom? Yeah. I was going to say 00:25:29.369 --> 00:25:30.730 a little less tinfoil hattie, but that wasn't 00:25:30.730 --> 00:25:34.049 really conspiracy theories. A little less doom 00:25:34.049 --> 00:25:36.390 and gloom. I will say in defense of doom scrolling 00:25:36.390 --> 00:25:41.180 that I... It's kind of a catch -22, but... I 00:25:41.180 --> 00:25:44.319 will scroll on my phone whenever I'm on the treadmill 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.559 or like on the elliptical or whatever because 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.579 I won't pay attention to how much I'm moving. 00:25:48.819 --> 00:25:52.160 And so I could theoretically like get all of 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.579 my steps in for the day without necessarily realizing 00:25:55.579 --> 00:25:58.859 it. Yeah. Which is good in the sense that like 00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:01.059 I'm getting exercise, but really bad in the sense 00:26:01.059 --> 00:26:04.299 that how much time have I passed just in my everyday 00:26:04.299 --> 00:26:07.119 life because I haven't had this kind of consciousness 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:10.329 of how much time I'm spending without. My brain 00:26:10.329 --> 00:26:12.549 being present. How much time am I on autopilot? 00:26:12.829 --> 00:26:14.710 Well, I think that that's a pretty healthy way 00:26:14.710 --> 00:26:17.430 to look at it, that I know I'm doing this thing 00:26:17.430 --> 00:26:21.190 that overall isn't very healthy for me. But while 00:26:21.190 --> 00:26:23.289 I'm doing this, I'm going to do something that 00:26:23.289 --> 00:26:25.009 is healthy for me, that is going to be better 00:26:25.009 --> 00:26:28.769 for me. Maybe you could look at it as a way of 00:26:28.769 --> 00:26:32.450 like trading off all the mental headaches for, 00:26:32.569 --> 00:26:36.430 well, at least I'm getting exercise or maybe. 00:26:38.029 --> 00:26:40.630 I don't know. I mean, if you're going to do it, 00:26:40.670 --> 00:26:43.170 I think that is the best way to go about it. 00:26:43.250 --> 00:26:46.190 Yeah, for sure. Is to find some sort of healthy 00:26:46.190 --> 00:26:48.690 trade -off to where it's not a complete loss. 00:26:49.049 --> 00:26:53.049 You didn't completely piss your day away. You 00:26:53.049 --> 00:26:55.529 did something else that you needed to while you 00:26:55.529 --> 00:27:00.150 were also getting this TikTok fix. Yeah. Do you 00:27:00.150 --> 00:27:04.230 have any... Kind of like doom scrolling apps 00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:06.309 or websites or whatever that are non -traditional, 00:27:06.450 --> 00:27:10.829 so not like the social medias? I used to. I used 00:27:10.829 --> 00:27:14.430 to use Crackle. Not Crackle, Cracked. I was about 00:27:14.430 --> 00:27:18.130 to say, what is Crackle? No, Cracked. Like a 00:27:18.130 --> 00:27:22.589 lot of satirical, long form, kind of like... 00:27:22.589 --> 00:27:25.490 That was like BuzzFeed, right? Kind of, but not 00:27:25.490 --> 00:27:29.789 just so brazenly annoying with their opinions. 00:27:30.410 --> 00:27:33.690 That's fair. It was definitely comedy -focused. 00:27:33.730 --> 00:27:39.670 It was like The Onion, but not liberal. It was 00:27:39.670 --> 00:27:42.869 like Babylon Bee, but not conservative. It was 00:27:42.869 --> 00:27:44.430 in the middle. Just like middle of the road, 00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:46.250 okay. Yeah, and I mean, a lot of it was like 00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:49.470 listicle stuff that would be like, well, don't 00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:51.150 you think this is weird? That kind of stuff. 00:27:51.390 --> 00:27:54.769 And so I would spend probably about 45 minutes 00:27:54.769 --> 00:27:58.200 a day. reading through those articles. I'd get 00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:01.940 to one, and then something in that article would 00:28:01.940 --> 00:28:03.859 pique my interest to look into something else, 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.740 and then it would just go on and on. But for 00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:11.000 the most part, that was a relatively healthy 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.380 doom scrolling because I was getting actual information 00:28:15.380 --> 00:28:21.680 in the process. Let's see. Unconventional doom 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.450 scrolling. Quick segue, do you know if The Onion 00:28:24.450 --> 00:28:26.809 was able to successfully buy Alex Jones's... 00:28:26.809 --> 00:28:31.930 No, I don't think so. No? I don't think so. I 00:28:31.930 --> 00:28:33.329 wanted to follow up on that and I keep forgetting. 00:28:34.190 --> 00:28:37.190 Well, now you can because TikTok's back. Does 00:28:37.190 --> 00:28:39.109 doom scrolling just have to be social media? 00:28:39.410 --> 00:28:44.029 No. Okay, so I could be looking on Netflix for 00:28:44.029 --> 00:28:47.730 45 minutes just trying to pick something. Streaming 00:28:47.730 --> 00:28:49.609 services were one of mine, my non -traditional 00:28:49.609 --> 00:28:52.230 doom scrolling. Yeah. Yeah, because I definitely 00:28:52.230 --> 00:28:54.450 do that. I can't make my mind up on what to watch. 00:28:54.589 --> 00:28:56.089 And I'm just going to re -watch How I Met Your 00:28:56.089 --> 00:28:59.049 Mother for the fifth time. Well, I don't know 00:28:59.049 --> 00:29:02.269 if that show really holds up anymore. It's kind 00:29:02.269 --> 00:29:04.410 of a rough re -watch at this point. As long as 00:29:04.410 --> 00:29:07.109 you skip the last season. That's kind of how 00:29:07.109 --> 00:29:10.809 I feel about The Office, too. I don't know if 00:29:10.809 --> 00:29:13.269 I've just seen it so many times. I overplayed 00:29:13.269 --> 00:29:19.410 it. Yeah, that I've worn it out. I used to just 00:29:19.410 --> 00:29:21.410 be able to put on any episode of The Office and 00:29:21.410 --> 00:29:23.750 just be content, just sit there and watch it, 00:29:23.789 --> 00:29:26.329 but I can't do that anymore. My thing right now 00:29:26.329 --> 00:29:29.589 for just mindless background noise is Family 00:29:29.589 --> 00:29:32.390 Guy. Yeah. But I'm also about to burn myself 00:29:32.390 --> 00:29:37.190 out on that one too. Yeah, me too. Especially 00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:41.210 because now as Seth MacFarlane is getting busier 00:29:41.210 --> 00:29:43.930 and busier, it's just the newer episodes are 00:29:43.930 --> 00:29:48.039 fewer and far between. So you're stuck with just 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.839 the same stuff that you've always had. I miss 00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.019 the... When it comes to Family Guy specifically, 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:57.859 I miss the musicality of it. My Shapoopy? Not 00:29:57.859 --> 00:30:00.240 necessarily Shapoopy. Or Shapoopy, not my Shapoopy. 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:06.099 Like Down Syndrome Girl or the... What is the... 00:30:06.099 --> 00:30:09.619 All You Need is a Bag of Weed. That era of Family 00:30:09.619 --> 00:30:11.440 Guy, I feel like that was a really fun time. 00:30:11.579 --> 00:30:13.720 And since Seth MacFarlane stepped away from writing, 00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:17.000 it's been... On a kind of steady downhill on 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:21.539 that respect. Yeah. Yeah, what's the... What 00:30:21.539 --> 00:30:24.180 was the one about Terry Shivo? She's kind of 00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:29.200 a livo. Oh, man. Back in the heyday. Those were 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.680 good times. So, in terms of non -traditional 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:35.619 doom scrolling, the things that I had in mind 00:30:35.619 --> 00:30:38.839 were Wikipedia. Okay. Because it's very easy 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:40.920 to go down a rabbit hole in that one. Like I 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.319 mentioned earlier, IMDB. I have the worst habit. 00:30:44.779 --> 00:30:47.420 of trying to find a guy from a thing that i'm 00:30:47.420 --> 00:30:49.420 actively watching and then figuring out what 00:30:49.420 --> 00:30:51.559 all of the things that that man has done in his 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:54.119 career and then being like oh there's that movie 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:56.099 have i seen that movie i don't know and then 00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:58.339 i'll like go through that page it's ridiculous 00:30:58.339 --> 00:31:03.880 um and my last one was indeed linkedin and zillow 00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:08.819 linkedin jobs oh yeah i do not want to watch 00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:11.880 the for lack of a better term the circle jerk 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.849 that is linkedin It exhausts me. Ryan George 00:31:15.849 --> 00:31:19.369 on YouTube has a really funny video about out 00:31:19.369 --> 00:31:23.130 -of -pocket LinkedIn stuff. Is that the movie 00:31:23.130 --> 00:31:25.670 synopsis guy, the movie pitch guy? Pitch meetings, 00:31:25.829 --> 00:31:28.890 yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so definitely anyone 00:31:28.890 --> 00:31:30.849 out there, check that out. Check out pitch meetings, 00:31:30.970 --> 00:31:33.490 too. They're really funny. Yeah. Yeah, every 00:31:33.490 --> 00:31:36.309 once in a while, I'll get this, like, I'll get 00:31:36.309 --> 00:31:38.670 a specific kind of board, and I'll go through 00:31:38.670 --> 00:31:41.029 either, like, job boards or I'll go through, 00:31:41.109 --> 00:31:44.089 like, housing. For houses that I'm realistically 00:31:44.089 --> 00:31:46.910 never going to afford. Yeah. I'm not looking 00:31:46.910 --> 00:31:48.650 for starter homes. You're not even looking for 00:31:48.650 --> 00:31:50.569 a house at the moment. I'm looking at mansions, 00:31:50.569 --> 00:31:54.349 yeah. Did you watch that show on HBO that was 00:31:54.349 --> 00:31:57.450 hosted by Jack McBrayer and it was just the weirdest 00:31:57.450 --> 00:32:01.130 Zillow listings? I think I caught a couple episodes 00:32:01.130 --> 00:32:04.430 of it. It was interesting. Yeah. Would he actually 00:32:04.430 --> 00:32:07.170 go to the house? Mm -hmm. He would go on a tour 00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:08.930 with it and just make bad puns about whatever 00:32:08.930 --> 00:32:11.319 weird things they had in their house. There was 00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.799 a pirate -themed house in Vegas, and he just 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:19.099 said, holy ship, the whole time. Oh. I mean, 00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.680 is that the worst thing in the world? No, it 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.559 was worth the watch. Okay. That particular house 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.140 was fugly, but it was worth the watch. Good, 00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:30.880 clean comedy is hard to come by these days. I 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.480 can't watch Ted Lasso anymore because I don't 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:35.900 have Apple TV+. I can bring you into the fold. 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:40.160 Can you? I can, yeah. Yeah, we'll sort that out 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:44.250 later. All right. Okay, so do you doom scroll 00:32:44.250 --> 00:32:51.529 news? Yes. If I hear a story that just seems 00:32:51.529 --> 00:32:54.509 like it is wildly leaning one way, I will look 00:32:54.509 --> 00:32:58.109 up that thing and double check and make sure 00:32:58.109 --> 00:33:00.609 I get which is something you should do with everything. 00:33:00.750 --> 00:33:02.789 Make sure that you check out multiple sources 00:33:02.789 --> 00:33:07.529 to get the actual facts because there's going 00:33:07.529 --> 00:33:10.539 to be a lean, whichever way you go. Yeah. And 00:33:10.539 --> 00:33:13.200 so you want to make sure if you don't like CNN, 00:33:13.460 --> 00:33:17.039 you don't like Fox News, that's fine. But check 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:18.920 them out to see what they're saying and then 00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:20.599 find where the middle is because that's where 00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:24.980 the truth is going to be. And this most recently 00:33:24.980 --> 00:33:30.819 happened with these videos of PR control for 00:33:30.819 --> 00:33:35.460 all these L .A. fires. The like it was like the 00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:37.839 unhoused that are starting these fires and stuff 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.509 like that. That's part of it. Yeah. Yeah, and 00:33:40.509 --> 00:33:44.269 then one side will blame the homeless, the other 00:33:44.269 --> 00:33:46.369 side will blame the insurance companies, and 00:33:46.369 --> 00:33:50.269 the third side will just say, well, they knew 00:33:50.269 --> 00:33:52.029 this was happening and this is a failure from 00:33:52.029 --> 00:33:53.710 the city's department, which all of those may 00:33:53.710 --> 00:33:57.150 be true. All of those may be exaggerations. You 00:33:57.150 --> 00:33:59.230 don't know until you do your research and figure 00:33:59.230 --> 00:34:02.269 it out. But what I'm talking about mostly that 00:34:02.269 --> 00:34:05.089 comes to mind when I think about the question 00:34:05.089 --> 00:34:08.820 you asked is the situation with the... I just 00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:10.500 showed you this video with the fire department 00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:15.239 chief that said that people, whenever someone 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.059 is in danger, they want to see someone like them. 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.320 It makes them feel more comfortable. That part, 00:34:20.420 --> 00:34:23.159 fine. I get that. I get that. But then when this 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.760 woman was asked, what if my husband was in a 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:29.059 fire? And her response is, well, if your husband 00:34:29.059 --> 00:34:32.619 was in a fire, then he probably shouldn't have 00:34:32.619 --> 00:34:35.219 got himself in that situation in the first place, 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:39.179 which is just such a completely... wild response 00:34:39.179 --> 00:34:43.699 to someone who is entire job is to take people 00:34:43.699 --> 00:34:47.860 from danger and get them out and that was something 00:34:47.860 --> 00:34:51.599 that I had to double triple quadruple check to 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.480 make sure that this wasn't like yeah some parody 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.519 of something and this is an actual thing that 00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:01.099 the LA fire department put out thinking that 00:35:01.099 --> 00:35:03.300 this was going to be like some slam dunk. And 00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:06.079 this went through so many people and all these 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.900 people are still don't see the problem with it. 00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:15.059 Yeah. I think the representation is great. I 00:35:15.059 --> 00:35:18.480 think it matters. I also think that when you're 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.780 talking about your first responders, who cares? 00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:24.139 Maybe your identity should be like the fourth 00:35:24.139 --> 00:35:26.820 or fifth thing checked off on the list. Are you 00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:30.250 less alive? Because the paramedic that saved 00:35:30.250 --> 00:35:34.230 you was a straight white man? Like, I don't understand 00:35:34.230 --> 00:35:36.730 how in an emergency situation that's relevant. 00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:39.010 Like, yes, it's not like we shouldn't hire people. 00:35:39.150 --> 00:35:43.489 Like, I support DEI. Yeah. I don't think that 00:35:43.489 --> 00:35:47.269 we should put people in those kind of boxes, 00:35:47.289 --> 00:35:50.449 but at the same time, like, does it matter in 00:35:50.449 --> 00:35:55.849 this situation? I don't believe if I was trapped 00:35:55.849 --> 00:36:02.570 in a... fire and a person of a DEI persuasion 00:36:02.570 --> 00:36:05.090 came up to me and said hey I can't do anything 00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:07.010 for you you shouldn't have gotten yourself in 00:36:07.010 --> 00:36:09.429 this position in the first place then I'm probably 00:36:09.429 --> 00:36:11.989 going to have some feelings about that yeah and 00:36:11.989 --> 00:36:15.510 I'm probably going to be super duper pissed and 00:36:15.510 --> 00:36:18.670 try to find my way out because this is their 00:36:18.670 --> 00:36:22.809 entire job and just the fact that we have swung 00:36:22.809 --> 00:36:26.940 so far away from Making sure that people are 00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:31.360 qualified to focus on other things is just, it's 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:33.760 glaringly apparent when you watch that video. 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:37.900 Do we know the name of that person? Kristen. 00:36:39.940 --> 00:36:43.360 Let me open up TikTok and find it again because 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.239 that's something I can do now. Once again. Christine 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:50.179 Larson. There you go. And you can't tell me that 00:36:50.179 --> 00:36:53.139 there's not qualified people. that can do the 00:36:53.139 --> 00:36:55.559 job, that can handle all the physical requirements 00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.840 and can see everyone as someone that just needs 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.800 to be rescued in a time of crisis, that also 00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.320 checks all the boxes that they need to check 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.960 in order to make sure that there is a diverse 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.860 group of people hired for these positions. A 00:37:11.860 --> 00:37:14.719 quick thing that I wanted to mention on the Christine 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.659 Larson thing is that it says that she's the Deputy 00:37:16.659 --> 00:37:20.769 Chief of Equity and Human Resources Bureau. So 00:37:20.769 --> 00:37:22.130 I don't think she's like an actual fire chief. 00:37:22.289 --> 00:37:25.610 I might be wrong. That might just be what I'm 00:37:25.610 --> 00:37:29.469 ascertaining from this article. Well, from the 00:37:29.469 --> 00:37:34.190 video, she was talking about, I mean, they were 00:37:34.190 --> 00:37:37.590 talking about her having a position of power 00:37:37.590 --> 00:37:42.269 in the Los Angeles Fire Department. And she was 00:37:42.269 --> 00:37:46.710 speaking like she would be going on these calls. 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.119 to be the person that would make people feel 00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.039 more comfortable because she would be like the 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:55.559 people that they were trying to help. And then 00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.400 when asked about, okay, well, that's great, but 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.139 if my husband was in a fire, would you be able 00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:05.440 to get him out? And then just wildly swinging 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.659 for the fences that, well, if he does, that's 00:38:08.659 --> 00:38:12.440 on him. It is genuinely so incredible to hear 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.659 if you're on fire. then you shouldn't have put 00:38:16.659 --> 00:38:18.199 yourself in a situation. Like, you shouldn't 00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:20.380 live in California. No one should live in California. 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.840 That is correct. That place burns down fairly 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.139 regularly. A lot, yeah. There are wildfires every 00:38:25.139 --> 00:38:26.980 single year. And they're right next to the ocean. 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.699 Like, why would people still live in the state 00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:32.639 if, you know, they could just not put themselves 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.340 in a situation where there might be a fire? Why 00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:37.159 have electricity? Electricity causes a lot of 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:41.019 fires. Well, yeah. Why have hobos that sleep 00:38:41.019 --> 00:38:43.739 outside needing to start fires just to stay warm? 00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:46.699 That's just a safety hazard. Kick all them out 00:38:46.699 --> 00:38:51.420 of there. And we're not here to argue how not 00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:54.340 well -run California is because I think there 00:38:54.340 --> 00:38:56.380 are other people much more qualified to do that. 00:38:56.460 --> 00:39:02.380 This is just an example of TikTok run amok that 00:39:02.380 --> 00:39:05.780 just happens to be timely right now because of 00:39:05.780 --> 00:39:10.559 all the devastation in L .A. That's crazy. But 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.139 on a lighter note... One thing that I am proud 00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:17.940 to say that I do scroll on is these videos of, 00:39:18.099 --> 00:39:23.000 because do you know how the ad revenue and stuff 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:27.519 works for TikTok? That you get a certain time 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:29.840 amount into the video and it starts counting 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:32.619 as views that can be monetized, right? Yes. And 00:39:32.619 --> 00:39:35.920 so from that, you have all these cases of... 00:39:36.219 --> 00:39:39.539 people that are trying to take advantage of that 00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:41.480 system and not take advantage like in a negative 00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.079 way but like this is an opportunity available 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.300 to them and so they're trying to make the most 00:39:47.300 --> 00:39:50.980 of it and I'm sure that I've gotten duped more 00:39:50.980 --> 00:39:53.440 than once when I've watched some of these videos 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.599 but if it's something with a compelling story 00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:00.980 like a baby that has some sort of illness or 00:40:00.980 --> 00:40:05.219 a dad that has cancer or a mom that It's just 00:40:05.219 --> 00:40:07.340 trying to survive. And it says, hang around for 00:40:07.340 --> 00:40:10.119 60 seconds and watch me do this thing. And that 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:12.260 way we can get money from your views. Then I'll 00:40:12.260 --> 00:40:16.300 stick around. I support that in a crowdfunding 00:40:16.300 --> 00:40:19.559 thing. But it also makes me so sad that that's 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:24.019 the state that we're in now. For lack of a better 00:40:24.019 --> 00:40:26.599 term, you're pandering for views. Because these 00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:30.260 views are going to make your medical debt ease 00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:33.860 up a little. But you can look at it from... the 00:40:33.860 --> 00:40:37.500 other side and say that isn't creating videos 00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:40.760 on TikTok all for pandering views. At least this 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.780 way, you know that your attention and your time 00:40:44.780 --> 00:40:47.400 is being put towards something that's a little 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.619 more goodwill -ish than it would be if it were 00:40:51.619 --> 00:40:55.579 just going to some 17 -year -old twerp that needs 00:40:55.579 --> 00:40:58.800 to buy a Lamborghini. Sure. I just, I don't know. 00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:02.630 I see that I guess more pessimistically. I see 00:41:02.630 --> 00:41:05.170 it more from the dystopian side of things than 00:41:05.170 --> 00:41:08.250 the fact that... I'm still going to watch the 00:41:08.250 --> 00:41:12.369 60 -second video or whatever, or sometimes I'll 00:41:12.369 --> 00:41:14.889 just leave the video on while I was doing something 00:41:14.889 --> 00:41:19.369 else. Because if it helps, great. I would love 00:41:19.369 --> 00:41:23.730 for my bad habit to be beneficial to someone. 00:41:24.510 --> 00:41:28.070 But it's so gross that we're in a situation where 00:41:28.070 --> 00:41:30.329 we're... Where a lot of people are having to 00:41:30.329 --> 00:41:35.389 like beg for likes so that they can afford necessities 00:41:35.389 --> 00:41:39.789 in life. I agree with that. I think that that 00:41:39.789 --> 00:41:44.389 can lead you down another rabbit hole where you're 00:41:44.389 --> 00:41:47.150 just going to be doom scrolling on the American 00:41:47.150 --> 00:41:49.690 healthcare system versus other countries that 00:41:49.690 --> 00:41:53.510 have socialized healthcare. And the fact that 00:41:53.510 --> 00:41:56.030 with socialized healthcare, there's a lot of 00:41:56.030 --> 00:41:59.230 wait times. There's a lot of... paperwork and 00:41:59.230 --> 00:42:02.050 there's a lot of stuff that falls through the 00:42:02.050 --> 00:42:04.429 cracks because of the system they have. There's 00:42:04.429 --> 00:42:05.949 definitely stuff that falls through the cracks 00:42:05.949 --> 00:42:09.570 because of the system we have. Having, giving 00:42:09.570 --> 00:42:13.449 as much control to the insurance companies as 00:42:13.449 --> 00:42:17.130 we do is a flawed system. I don't think that 00:42:17.130 --> 00:42:19.550 socialized health care altogether is the answer. 00:42:19.630 --> 00:42:21.750 I don't think that the system we have now is 00:42:21.750 --> 00:42:26.369 the answer. But what I can do is I can use my 00:42:26.369 --> 00:42:31.320 time. As a way to help alleviate some of those 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:36.280 burdens from whoever. And that's, I mean, I think 00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:40.960 that's the overarching thesis behind this episode 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:44.260 is that your time is worth something to someone. 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.940 Most importantly, you. So if you are spending 00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:51.000 your time doing something that is not going to 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.539 further you, is not going to enrich you, is not 00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:57.739 going to make you better at all, then you're 00:42:57.739 --> 00:43:01.579 wasting your time. And you're wasting the only 00:43:01.579 --> 00:43:05.000 thing that you aren't guaranteed in this world. 00:43:05.860 --> 00:43:09.099 Yeah, that's a good point. And so if you can 00:43:09.099 --> 00:43:12.360 use what time you are given towards something 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.539 that you feel happy about, something that you 00:43:15.539 --> 00:43:18.940 feel... confident about giving up that part of 00:43:18.940 --> 00:43:21.760 yourself too then I don't I don't think it's 00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.820 it's a bad thing like I if you feel that comfortable 00:43:25.820 --> 00:43:30.940 about just sitting on TikTok all day then you 00:43:30.940 --> 00:43:33.239 spent your time that you were given how you wanted 00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:36.480 to yeah so I don't think necessarily that doom 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.699 scrolling on its own is a bad thing I think that 00:43:39.699 --> 00:43:43.519 everyone has their all the free will they need 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.059 to choose how to spend their time. And if that's 00:43:46.059 --> 00:43:47.320 how they want to spend their time, that's how 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.260 they want to spend their time. Yeah. I, yeah, 00:43:50.340 --> 00:43:52.880 I don't know. I think that given the context 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:54.559 of the last couple of days where everyone was 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.519 kind of saying their, their goodbyes to TikTok, 00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:58.639 that it's, I feel like I'm a little bit more 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:02.639 cognizant of that, that like the way that I've 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:04.699 been spending my time is not necessarily productive. 00:44:05.340 --> 00:44:08.099 It's not necessarily good for my, my mental or 00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:12.719 my physical health. Yeah. That. Like I, moving 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.719 forward, I would like to be a lot more conscious 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:17.719 of the way that I spend my time because yeah, 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.239 none of it, none of it's guaranteed. And I will, 00:44:21.380 --> 00:44:23.840 I do want to kind of justify some of the time 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:25.480 that I've spent on TikTok and say that I've learned, 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:29.940 I learned a lot of cool things. I used a tutorial 00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:34.099 that I found on TikTok from, or to make a, to 00:44:34.099 --> 00:44:37.559 start a flower crochet blanket. Yeah. Which is 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:41.789 a thing that has. conversely, has helped me spend 00:44:41.789 --> 00:44:45.050 time off of my phone. There you go. And so that's 00:44:45.050 --> 00:44:47.630 definitely a benefit. I've done workouts that 00:44:47.630 --> 00:44:49.670 I've done on TikTok and stuff. But I think by 00:44:49.670 --> 00:44:52.409 and large, again, specific to me, I've spent 00:44:52.409 --> 00:44:56.309 a lot of wasted time on TikTok. That's a thing 00:44:56.309 --> 00:44:58.849 that I want to kind of work on moving forward. 00:44:59.489 --> 00:45:02.690 That's a great goal to have. But also at the 00:45:02.690 --> 00:45:07.090 same time, if all of that doom scrolling led 00:45:07.090 --> 00:45:11.039 you to find a new hobby, that you enjoy then 00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.000 wasn't all that bad yeah if you had to go there 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:20.420 to to get to being a crochet queen i so in just 00:45:20.420 --> 00:45:23.480 the couple of weeks that we've been into 2025 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.960 i feel like so much of my time on tiktok has 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.280 been split and like yeah i've learned a lot of 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.219 things i have learned to to crochet flowers and 00:45:34.219 --> 00:45:36.579 stuff like that but the flip side of that is 00:45:36.579 --> 00:45:40.480 that i am so deeply embedded in the lawsuit between 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:44.059 Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively I don't need 00:45:44.059 --> 00:45:46.539 to know and I will still watch a video even when 00:45:46.539 --> 00:45:48.880 90 % of the video is the same information that 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.000 I was already aware of from the last TikTok that's 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:53.599 the kind of thing that I want to stop doing so 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.340 if it's maybe a little bit more conscious of 00:45:56.340 --> 00:45:58.199 a choice where I'm like only going on TikTok 00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:01.440 if I want to look up something specific or if 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:03.840 it's like me I don't know only watching TikTok 00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:05.440 in black and white because I have a setting on 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.989 my phone right now where it'll just shut out 00:46:07.989 --> 00:46:12.389 the color in my phone. But it's because the human 00:46:12.389 --> 00:46:15.630 brain is very easily distracted by color. And 00:46:15.630 --> 00:46:18.170 so if you have all of these colorful, flashy 00:46:18.170 --> 00:46:20.429 things in front of you because you're constantly 00:46:20.429 --> 00:46:22.050 scrolling through things that are made to catch 00:46:22.050 --> 00:46:26.809 your attention, then it will kind of de -incentivize 00:46:26.809 --> 00:46:29.690 you being on your phone. And it works. Like the 00:46:29.690 --> 00:46:32.150 Simpsons. What? That's the reason they're yellow. 00:46:32.670 --> 00:46:34.449 So that when you were flipping through the channel, 00:46:34.510 --> 00:46:37.570 when you just flashed on a scene and you saw 00:46:37.570 --> 00:46:39.110 yellow people, you knew it was The Simpsons. 00:46:39.230 --> 00:46:42.230 Really? Uh -huh. Interesting. Okay. Then yeah, 00:46:42.269 --> 00:46:45.489 like The Simpsons. No word on why the Asians 00:46:45.489 --> 00:46:49.090 are still pasty white and why the black people 00:46:49.090 --> 00:46:53.170 are still black, but the yellow people are yellow 00:46:53.170 --> 00:46:58.030 because of catching your eye. Could be. Could 00:46:58.030 --> 00:47:01.070 be. We talk about it a lot, but I think that... 00:47:01.699 --> 00:47:05.280 One of the things that is also making a comeback 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.139 that's helpful to people spending a lot of time 00:47:08.139 --> 00:47:12.079 just doing nothing tasks on their phone is the 00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.420 revival of the flip phone or the dumb phone or 00:47:15.420 --> 00:47:18.760 whatever. Did we ever actually post that? I don't 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:23.260 think we have yet. No. I don't think so. This 00:47:23.260 --> 00:47:25.380 is something we've talked about before. Once 00:47:25.380 --> 00:47:30.099 we get monetized, we want to do a... We want 00:47:30.099 --> 00:47:33.639 to challenge ourselves to see how long we can 00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:37.360 last with just a flip phone. No bells and whistles, 00:47:37.659 --> 00:47:41.460 maybe very, very sparse internet access, but 00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:43.900 other than that, just a straight -up flip phone 00:47:43.900 --> 00:47:50.500 that cannot be used to eat away our day and take 00:47:50.500 --> 00:47:53.659 away our productivity. So in the situation where 00:47:53.659 --> 00:47:55.599 you would be able to switch to just a flip phone, 00:47:55.780 --> 00:47:57.280 what do you think would be the hardest thing 00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:04.789 to part with? Probably the podcast and music 00:48:04.789 --> 00:48:07.650 aspect of it. Okay. Because I do a lot of driving 00:48:07.650 --> 00:48:10.230 and when I'm doing that, I'm either playing music 00:48:10.230 --> 00:48:14.610 or playing a podcast from my phone. So what we 00:48:14.610 --> 00:48:20.269 might be able to do is just go back to an iPod. 00:48:20.349 --> 00:48:23.909 Yeah. Go back to some sort of MP3 player where 00:48:23.909 --> 00:48:27.760 we can put everything on. on the device before 00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.000 we leave and then we'll just have that to to 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:34.719 play whatever we want to and then for everything 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.239 else we'll just have the flip phone i will say 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:41.659 i seriously miss cd players my yeah the car that 00:48:41.659 --> 00:48:45.159 i have now is just like the screen i want cds 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:51.039 yeah uh my first car had a cassette player which 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.440 i used with a little cassette with a little aux 00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:56.469 cord attached to it because I was living in the 00:48:56.469 --> 00:49:04.889 future. The Ranger? Yeah. I think the hardest 00:49:04.889 --> 00:49:07.269 time that I would have in switching to a flip 00:49:07.269 --> 00:49:11.989 phone would be Maps. My sense of direction is 00:49:11.989 --> 00:49:17.230 garbage. And it's a thing that I've wanted to 00:49:17.230 --> 00:49:18.730 work on, and I know that a lot of that comes 00:49:18.730 --> 00:49:23.429 from the fact that I don't use my... my brain 00:49:23.429 --> 00:49:28.409 to navigate a whole lot so like if i know very 00:49:28.409 --> 00:49:30.949 clearly the place that i'm going then i can just 00:49:30.949 --> 00:49:34.909 make that drive yeah but my i get this kind of 00:49:34.909 --> 00:49:36.309 like tunnel vision when it comes to directions 00:49:36.309 --> 00:49:38.489 so like i know how to get there but if i'm trying 00:49:38.489 --> 00:49:43.210 to go from point a to point b to point c my brain 00:49:43.210 --> 00:49:47.730 will just like not be able to to make those connections 00:49:47.730 --> 00:49:49.730 the right way yeah and so i think that losing 00:49:49.730 --> 00:49:51.730 like google maps would be a really hard thing 00:49:51.730 --> 00:49:55.599 for me I don't think it's a thing that I couldn't 00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.619 get around. Eventually I would have to develop 00:49:58.619 --> 00:50:00.800 a better sense of direction and I would get lost 00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:02.559 plenty of times in the process. How long do you 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.000 think that would take? Honestly, I have no idea. 00:50:05.059 --> 00:50:07.840 My sense of direction is real bad. I wish it 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:13.559 weren't. It's always been rough. I would still 00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:17.079 get directions. I worked at the restaurant that 00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:20.110 I was in most recently. For a long time. And 00:50:20.110 --> 00:50:21.510 I would still get directions every once in a 00:50:21.510 --> 00:50:25.150 while to the restaurant to check on traffic, 00:50:25.349 --> 00:50:29.070 which is fine. But I would also just like leave 00:50:29.070 --> 00:50:30.809 it up in the background. Like I wouldn't be paying 00:50:30.809 --> 00:50:32.929 attention to it, but I would just have it like 00:50:32.929 --> 00:50:35.170 up. Yeah. And that's also not really helpful. 00:50:35.289 --> 00:50:37.590 I don't need those directions if there is like 00:50:37.590 --> 00:50:40.090 a crutch. So in my head, like I'm not actually 00:50:40.090 --> 00:50:41.849 making conscious decisions because I'm still 00:50:41.849 --> 00:50:44.989 sort of following these directions. Yeah, if 00:50:44.989 --> 00:50:47.150 I feel like I'm running late for something, I 00:50:47.150 --> 00:50:50.170 will put directions into somewhere where I know 00:50:50.170 --> 00:50:52.670 like the back of my hand how to get there just 00:50:52.670 --> 00:50:56.570 to see what the general time frame is that I 00:50:56.570 --> 00:51:01.010 can look at for being there. Because I am okay 00:51:01.010 --> 00:51:05.409 at like estimating based on perfect conditions. 00:51:05.630 --> 00:51:09.250 Yeah. But you never know. And especially living 00:51:09.250 --> 00:51:13.539 in cities as big as we live in. It's difficult 00:51:13.539 --> 00:51:17.159 to be able to gauge that appropriately because 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:20.960 people drive like idiots. And there's constantly 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.559 accidents. There's constantly people slowing 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:25.599 down past these accidents because they just want 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:31.119 to see what's going on. And so it's very difficult 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:36.619 in this sort of urban environment for you to 00:51:36.619 --> 00:51:38.920 be able to gauge that properly and be able to 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:44.559 know. without having to leave 45 minutes before 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.280 you meant to just so you know that you can get 00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:50.920 wherever you need it to. So I definitely think 00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:54.500 that that's something that the maps, Google Maps 00:51:54.500 --> 00:52:00.800 or the map app on Apple has definitely chipped 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.079 away at that part of my brain. And I use it for 00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.360 more of a crutch now than anything else. And 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:11.550 so I... I don't know how I would react to that. 00:52:11.590 --> 00:52:14.190 I don't know how I would react going back to 00:52:14.190 --> 00:52:20.369 that and just not having that knowledge, knowing 00:52:20.369 --> 00:52:24.829 that I easily could. Yeah. And I think that that 00:52:24.829 --> 00:52:28.150 would be the biggest part of if we did make a 00:52:28.150 --> 00:52:31.710 switch to a flip phone would be just knowing 00:52:31.710 --> 00:52:34.449 that all this stuff is available to us, but actively 00:52:34.449 --> 00:52:39.010 trying to avoid using any of it. Yeah, I think. 00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:46.079 So I've been kind of in this loop. So there have 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.860 been a lot of times where I've sat down and been 00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:51.659 like, I am spending too much time on my phone. 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:56.059 So I will go through some kind of half measure 00:52:56.059 --> 00:52:58.820 where I obviously still have my phone because 00:52:58.820 --> 00:53:02.340 I still need it. But I'm trying to figure out 00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:04.000 a way to spend less time on it. And so I've had 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.360 the annoying interfaces or I'll delete all of 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.900 the apps that I don't. either don't need or shouldn't 00:53:10.900 --> 00:53:17.159 be on. And there's just this, so far at least, 00:53:17.219 --> 00:53:20.760 I haven't been disciplined enough to actually 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.519 maintain all of those changes. And so I'll have 00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.219 a month go by where I'm not on any of the social 00:53:28.219 --> 00:53:32.639 medias or I'm not spending all of this time on 00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:34.860 my phone. It stays in black and white or whatever. 00:53:35.539 --> 00:53:38.829 And then there's this. There's this one thing 00:53:38.829 --> 00:53:40.969 where I'm just, I'm just like generally curious. 00:53:41.050 --> 00:53:42.829 It's not a thing that I absolutely need to know. 00:53:43.710 --> 00:53:45.929 And I'm like, well, you know, one time won't 00:53:45.929 --> 00:53:48.650 hurt. And so I'll Google something that I don't 00:53:48.650 --> 00:53:52.070 use to Google because I don't need to know how 00:53:52.070 --> 00:53:56.349 I know that guy from that thing. And inevitably 00:53:56.349 --> 00:53:59.230 I would just go down this rabbit hole and it's, 00:53:59.230 --> 00:54:02.690 it's exhausting. Like doing this time and time 00:54:02.690 --> 00:54:06.800 again, where I have all of these. things put 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:11.900 in place to try to stop me from playing into 00:54:11.900 --> 00:54:13.539 my phone the way that like all these companies 00:54:13.539 --> 00:54:16.219 are trying to get me to yeah and I still just 00:54:16.219 --> 00:54:19.960 I just delay my willingness to go back into that 00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:23.420 rabbit hole that's something that I have experienced 00:54:23.420 --> 00:54:27.400 in other aspects of my life that I can I can 00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:29.579 stop doing something I can consciously stop doing 00:54:29.579 --> 00:54:32.800 something and I don't have a problem with it 00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:36.719 yeah Until I do it that one time. I do it that 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:38.880 one time and then all of a sudden it's all I 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:43.719 want to do. So there's a thing that I've been 00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.599 trying to work on for this year. I don't necessarily 00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:49.679 believe in resolutions, but I'm trying to be 00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:54.679 in a broader scheme just better this year. And 00:54:54.679 --> 00:55:01.219 so I'm trying to think of my missteps as just... 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:05.360 a one -off thing and not like oh well I was supposed 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.000 to eat healthy all of this year and I what a 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:11.500 burger yesterday so my year is shot yeah like 00:55:11.500 --> 00:55:14.480 it's the middle of January and I messed up once 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.019 so I can't have that perfect record I don't want 00:55:17.019 --> 00:55:21.219 to do it anymore and that's just such a ridiculous 00:55:21.219 --> 00:55:25.639 thing to to operate by yeah I think it's a it's 00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:29.679 a matter of one setting your sights too narrowly 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:34.519 yeah not giving yourself room for to step outside 00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:38.119 the confines a little bit and give yourself the 00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:41.420 ability to have those cheat days or whatever 00:55:41.420 --> 00:55:44.199 you want to call them. Yeah. But then it's also 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:47.780 just a, and this, this is the same thing that 00:55:47.780 --> 00:55:52.000 I've dealt with, with, um, with drinking, with 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.489 tobacco, with all kinds of stuff is that. I have 00:55:57.489 --> 00:56:01.130 to, I feel like I have to put myself into such 00:56:01.130 --> 00:56:05.210 a tight box in order to make sure that I stay 00:56:05.210 --> 00:56:10.590 in there. So I have to, it's gotten better. I 00:56:10.590 --> 00:56:13.969 can be around alcohol and it doesn't faze me. 00:56:14.090 --> 00:56:17.170 I don't want it. I don't need it. I don't, I 00:56:17.170 --> 00:56:19.800 have no interest in it. But it took me a really 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:23.880 long time of holding myself in that box and making 00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.480 sure that I didn't step one toe over that line 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:29.960 in order to get to where I am now. And then the 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:37.500 same thing with tobacco. I have to keep myself 00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:41.260 just really tightly confined. And that one isn't 00:56:41.260 --> 00:56:44.880 as... I'm not as strict about that one as I probably 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:50.809 should be. But... When I feel like I, and I'm 00:56:50.809 --> 00:56:53.949 not on the same plane with tobacco anywhere near 00:56:53.949 --> 00:56:56.530 like what I am with alcohol. Alcohol, no issue 00:56:56.530 --> 00:57:01.110 whatsoever. I can be around it. I can see it. 00:57:01.190 --> 00:57:03.909 It can be offered to me and I'll say no. No, 00:57:03.949 --> 00:57:09.650 thank you. I'm good. But tobacco, I just, I don't 00:57:09.650 --> 00:57:13.409 know. I just feel like maybe it's less of a... 00:57:14.269 --> 00:57:17.590 less of a mood alterer so I don't take it as 00:57:17.590 --> 00:57:21.289 seriously okay as the alcohol but at the same 00:57:21.289 --> 00:57:24.789 time it's it definitely has the same hold in 00:57:24.789 --> 00:57:29.130 it and it has the same hold as if I decided today 00:57:29.130 --> 00:57:32.329 that I wasn't going to use TikTok I wouldn't 00:57:32.329 --> 00:57:35.929 use TikTok until I just decided to use well it's 00:57:35.929 --> 00:57:38.409 not that bad yeah and so I used it once and then 00:57:38.409 --> 00:57:39.690 all of a sudden it's all I'm going to be doing 00:57:40.309 --> 00:57:42.309 Yeah, like a lot of the conversations that the 00:57:42.309 --> 00:57:44.250 two of us have been having in the last day or 00:57:44.250 --> 00:57:47.489 so have been just like normal conversations. 00:57:48.090 --> 00:57:50.969 And there would be just this one thing that would 00:57:50.969 --> 00:57:53.329 come up every so often. And it would be like, 00:57:53.409 --> 00:57:55.110 oh, well, I'd be able to know that if I had TikTok. 00:57:55.369 --> 00:57:58.369 Like it's not that real. If we needed to know 00:57:58.369 --> 00:58:02.090 it, we could very much Google it. Or take a sec 00:58:02.090 --> 00:58:04.610 and realize that we don't actually need to know 00:58:04.610 --> 00:58:07.289 that thing. And really when it comes to recording 00:58:07.289 --> 00:58:10.099 these, whenever... Whenever we need to pause 00:58:10.099 --> 00:58:13.420 and check something, it's because we don't want 00:58:13.420 --> 00:58:15.840 to get fact -checked later on. So we want to 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.719 make sure that what we're putting out originally 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:23.000 is as correct as we can get it. Sure, but I think 00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:25.280 that's also kind of a scapegoat for we just want 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.940 to do things. It is. And then, I mean, that goes 00:58:28.940 --> 00:58:32.179 into the, well, I said I wasn't going to do it, 00:58:32.219 --> 00:58:34.739 but I do want it for this one thing. And I need 00:58:34.739 --> 00:58:36.980 it because, yeah. And then that just snowballs 00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:40.809 into... Just a never ending pile of hot, hot 00:58:40.809 --> 00:58:45.030 garbage. I had TikTok deleted from my phone for 00:58:45.030 --> 00:58:47.929 a long time. And then I don't remember what it 00:58:47.929 --> 00:58:49.530 was, but there was like one specific conversation 00:58:49.530 --> 00:58:52.369 that I was having or like a friend of mine mentioned, 00:58:52.469 --> 00:58:55.250 hey, I sent you this thing on TikTok. And I was 00:58:55.250 --> 00:58:57.150 like, oh, well, I want to see the thing this 00:58:57.150 --> 00:58:59.349 person sent me. And so I redownloaded it and 00:58:59.349 --> 00:59:02.210 it was on my phone for a problematic amount of 00:59:02.210 --> 00:59:05.050 time after that. I didn't need it for the couple 00:59:05.050 --> 00:59:07.329 of months or whatever that it wasn't on my phone. 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:11.420 But then as soon as I got it back for theoretically 00:59:11.420 --> 00:59:15.039 the one thing I needed it for, then I went down 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:17.619 a rabbit hole and I was just like, oh, well, 00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:19.219 it's fine. I can just keep this on my phone. 00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:22.820 I wasn't going to be more conscious about my 00:59:22.820 --> 00:59:26.780 use of it. Anything in your life that you deem 00:59:26.780 --> 00:59:28.840 to be problematic or other people have deemed 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.719 to be problematic, most of the time it's just 00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:37.139 about having a... reasonable amount of control 00:59:37.139 --> 00:59:40.260 and having restrictions put in it. Moderation, 00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:44.219 guys. Moderation. Yeah. So overall, is TikTok 00:59:44.219 --> 00:59:49.199 the devil? No. Overall, is the internet the devil? 00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:53.360 Kind of. No. It's all about how you use it. It's 00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:55.940 all about the way that you use these tools that 00:59:55.940 --> 00:59:59.780 are at your disposal. Yeah. Like if me and you 00:59:59.780 --> 01:00:03.329 need to share. need to share TikToks about this 01:00:03.329 --> 01:00:06.630 stupid ass Robbie Williams movie because that's 01:00:06.630 --> 01:00:08.909 our love language to each other, then that's 01:00:08.909 --> 01:00:11.769 fine. Then that's what we're going to do. I will 01:00:11.769 --> 01:00:14.349 say that that is one of the better things that 01:00:14.349 --> 01:00:16.670 I've seen on TikTok recently was whenever the 01:00:16.670 --> 01:00:21.110 Robbie Williams biopic came out, which at some 01:00:21.110 --> 01:00:23.150 point I'm going to watch it just out of curiosity. 01:00:24.409 --> 01:00:26.849 I'll watch it on a live stream. I would love 01:00:26.849 --> 01:00:30.480 to do that. But people have just been like mercilessly 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.320 mocking it in the States because no one here 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:34.579 knows who Robbie Williams is. If I'm wrong, please 01:00:34.579 --> 01:00:38.380 correct me. I don't know anyone near me who knows 01:00:38.380 --> 01:00:40.679 who Robbie Williams is. And based on the discourse 01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.159 that I've seen on TikTok, neither do most people 01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:45.679 in the States. No. But they've been doing like 01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:50.320 a stop motion mockery of the. I think it's from 01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.119 the trailer. For the next two hours, your ass 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.260 is mine. And then it just plays the most mid 01:00:55.260 --> 01:01:00.079 -pop song you've ever heard. That's a good use 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.599 of the internet. Do you think that Robbie Williams 01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:07.300 was pissed whenever they said Trump was, they're 01:01:07.300 --> 01:01:09.539 going to bring back TikTok because Trump made 01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:11.440 some deal with them? He thought he was going 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:13.300 to get a break. He thought he was going to get 01:01:13.300 --> 01:01:16.239 just a little ounce of peace. And then all of 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.219 a sudden it's back. And now so are every single, 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:23.719 Who the hell is Robbie Williams' TikTok? I don't 01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:27.380 think that this movie would exist with the concept 01:01:27.380 --> 01:01:30.980 the way that it is if this man did not have the 01:01:30.980 --> 01:01:34.139 healthiest ego. And so I don't necessarily think 01:01:34.139 --> 01:01:36.179 that it's going to matter what the TikTok discourse 01:01:36.179 --> 01:01:39.360 is about this man who's one of the biggest pop 01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:41.579 stars in the world, according to people from 01:01:41.579 --> 01:01:47.480 the UK. More like the uncool. Do we have a crickets 01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:51.550 button? Because we need a crickets button. Yeah, 01:01:51.630 --> 01:01:54.849 I think that he probably doesn't really care 01:01:54.849 --> 01:01:57.469 what the people in the States think of him. He 01:01:57.469 --> 01:02:00.170 totally cares. Yeah? He totally cares, yes. Has 01:02:00.170 --> 01:02:02.809 he come out and said things about it? I'm sure. 01:02:02.909 --> 01:02:05.409 I don't keep up. I don't care about his side 01:02:05.409 --> 01:02:07.610 of it because I don't know him. I don't care 01:02:07.610 --> 01:02:10.750 what his opinion is because he is a guy that 01:02:10.750 --> 01:02:15.030 was in a Brad Paisley song for Cars 2 with Larry 01:02:15.030 --> 01:02:17.619 the Cable Guy. You keep mentioning that, and 01:02:17.619 --> 01:02:21.199 every time you say it, I forget about it. Yeah. 01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:24.280 And so I just keep remembering Collision of Worlds 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:26.519 is a whole thing, and that is the one song by 01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:30.340 50 % is Robbie Williams. Yes. The only one I 01:02:30.340 --> 01:02:32.940 know of is. Yes, me too. And now, Against My 01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:35.739 Will, Candy. Oh, is that the song? That's the 01:02:35.739 --> 01:02:39.400 one that everyone follows for the next two hours, 01:02:39.579 --> 01:02:42.480 Cliff with, is the song Candy. See, I didn't 01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:46.039 even know that. And I know about 15 seconds of 01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:47.860 that song. And it's the one that they use the 01:02:47.860 --> 01:02:51.960 stop motion monkey animal or monkey action figures 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.079 for, yeah. King Kong, Curious George. Incredible. 01:02:55.880 --> 01:03:00.739 Oh. This episode got a lot more existential than 01:03:00.739 --> 01:03:04.000 I thought it would. This is like the things ruined 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:06.860 by the internet. Yeah. It's just like sort of 01:03:06.860 --> 01:03:11.760 a continuation. It had a lot of tendrils into. 01:03:12.690 --> 01:03:15.690 All kinds of other aspects of our lives. Yeah. 01:03:16.969 --> 01:03:20.449 Doomscrolling is a topic that is near and dear 01:03:20.449 --> 01:03:24.090 to me. Yeah? It's a thing that affects my everyday 01:03:24.090 --> 01:03:26.590 life. Do you have any words of wisdom to leave 01:03:26.590 --> 01:03:30.389 on? Consume consciously. Oh, that's a good one. 01:03:31.210 --> 01:03:34.630 That could be a t -shirt. In case you're on the 01:03:34.630 --> 01:03:37.210 fence, this podcast is consuming consciously. 01:03:38.130 --> 01:03:42.199 It is. We spit nothing but facts that have been 01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:46.840 fact -checked on the fly, and so you know they're 01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:50.360 accurate. We do our best. Do you have anything 01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:55.099 for the people? Your time is worth something 01:03:55.099 --> 01:03:59.699 to someone. Most importantly should be you. Use 01:03:59.699 --> 01:04:04.139 it wisely. Use it wisely. All right, we'll see 01:04:04.139 --> 01:04:04.599 you next time.