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Three things for you.
OK, what do you got? Bigfoot.
A chupacabra.
A functioning US government.
When you said Bigfoot and chupacabra, I think it was going to go a different direction.
But functional US government, things we really wish existed.
Yeah, I think there are things that some people think are possible.
Some people think is out there.
But at the end of the day, it's all just make believe.
For the record, I do believe in Bigfoot.
OK, yeah, I guess. I mean, out of the three, that is the most believable one.
Yeah, I mean, he's basically the missing link.
And also I have a tattoo of him, so it makes sense for me to believe in Bigfoot.
Just one?
So far.
Yeah.
I'm going to get a whole sleeve of just Bigfoot.
A whole family?
Bigfeet?
Bigfeet.
Bigfoot.
Bigfi.
Bigfi, yeah.
I think.
I'm going to get a whole Bigfi sleeve.
You know what else people think exists, but there's not really any evidence.
What is that?
Ghosts.
Oh, OK.
What's your stance on ghosts?
I believe in ghosts.
You do?
What kind of ghosts?
I believe that it's kind of like a trapped energy kind of thing after you die.
I don't think that everyone sticks around and I don't necessarily believe in the unfinished business side of it.
But I do think there's some kind of middle ground between here and the afterlife.
Ghosts.
Hmm.
So you don't think they're here for a purpose?
I think they can be, but I don't think that it's...
I think the universe is a little bit more indifferent towards the things that we go through in our day-to-day.
And so I think it makes more sense for it to just be kind of people took the wrong exit on the train kind of thing.
Oh.
Do you believe in ghosts?
I... yes.
Yeah, because mostly it's the same general idea that I feel like there's got to be something beyond the mortal existence.
Sure.
And I would think that there would be some sort of transitionary level.
So you believe that everyone becomes a ghost for a little bit until they figure out where they're supposed to be?
Maybe.
Maybe. I mean, would purgatory be just filled with what we call ghosts?
Does that mean that... would that mean that we're living in purgatory?
I don't know.
If you still stay here as a ghost.
Maybe if there are ghosts, then we're in one dimension and they're in just an adjacent dimension.
They don't notice us.
We don't notice them.
But sometimes there's a little overlap.
Okay.
So it could be like a wormhole situation where someone accidentally went through the wrong door and ended up in the wrong plane of existence.
Maybe. And all this is based on where whoever stands spiritually.
But I guess it would really depend on what you think the afterlife is because it would be a real bummer for the afterlife to just be...
To just be lights out?
That's it. Yeah.
I will say, so my favorite Mike Schur show well above The Office and Parks and Rec is The Good Place.
And that actually changed my perspective on the way that I see the afterlife.
Yeah?
So they use a... it's essentially a point system.
So all of the points that you amass on Earth become this running total of where you'll end up.
So if you earn enough good points, then you get into the good place.
If you don't earn enough points, then you end up in the bad place.
And so it eventually becomes this kind of karmic balancing of kind of the afterlife.
If you don't earn enough points, you get tortured and all that jazz.
It's basically hell.
I think I watched maybe the first two seasons of that.
Is there a twist that they have been in the bad place the whole time?
Spoiler alert. And also, yeah, it was at the end of the first season.
Oh, okay. Well, then I guess I didn't spoil it too much.
But I mean, I watched it when it first came out and that show was like, what, 10 years old?
It ended in 2020, I think.
After like...
Four seasons.
Yeah. So I mean, people have had time.
If it was at the end of the first season.
That's not going to stop people from getting upset that you spoiled something.
Well, hey, you know what?
Anger drives engagement.
Engagement drives up the views.
Driving up the views drives up our pocketbooks.
So...
You're absolutely right.
Now, I will spoil all the things if it gets us monetized.
We're only, I don't know...
Joker 2 sucks, BTdubs.
950 listens away from monetization.
Not technically because the month restarted.
Well, you know...
But if we got 50 in September, we can get 100 in October.
We're ramping this up. We're going to be big time.
Have you ever seen a ghost?
I think I have a bad habit of catching things out of the corner of my eye.
But I don't know if I actually saw or not.
I think I want to see one.
I think I want to have that experience.
And I think maybe there are a couple of times where I did.
But for the most part, I don't think I've ever had one that I could definitively say was an apparition.
You've had a couple of close calls when it comes to ghosts?
A couple, yeah.
Interesting.
I don't know that I've ever had a moment where I've seen anything and thought ghosts.
I would love to.
I'd love to see a ghost at some point.
I technically work in a place where they do ghost tours.
But I think that's more of a just...
If you want to be a history nerd, but you don't want to admit that you're a history nerd, go on a ghost tour.
Why not both?
Why not a history nerd that wants to believe?
That's fair.
But I think that the general appeal of ghost tours is people that are into the supernatural,
not necessarily the people that are into the history side of things.
Like Fox Mulder, if he decided to be a history professor instead of work for the FBI.
Sure, yeah.
He wants to believe.
Don't we all?
Yeah, we should.
Should, because if you're not believing in anything, what's the point of it?
I know that we can't put it in the... put in a clip or anything,
but I really want to add shares believe this little break.
It'd be a great lead into a commercial.
Can we do a cover? Does that count?
Do you have auto-tune capabilities on your podcast deck?
I mean, I think it's pretty...
Do you believe in love?
I think that's pretty spot on.
I think that sounds just like it.
Yeah, no, you nailed it. Absolutely.
Yeah, that song was a jam.
I remember getting ready for school in the third grade and it was all over MTV.
I had no idea.
That is a very dated statement.
I had no idea that she had a career spanning, you know, 40 years before that.
Well, yeah, because Sonny was long gone by that point.
Yeah.
RIP.
Do you think he haunts for us?
Ski slopes, yes, absolutely.
Do you think that someone is just going down the slopes and he just is standing on the side,
he kicks out his ghostly foot and they go flying down the mountain,
but then he grabs them up and he says, I got you, babe.
I was about to make that joke.
I'm kind of bummed that you did.
Yes, I do believe that he saves people on ski slopes with I got you, babe.
We can always hope.
And that's what all this is.
This is all just hoping.
You either hope that there are ghosts or you hope that there aren't.
I believe that people that hope that there aren't ghosts have done some shady things.
They don't want to think about the fact that other eyes have been on them.
Yeah.
Because imagine in the case that there's a heaven and all of the people that are in your family
that have passed away can see you in your day to day life.
I don't want to be observed doing half the things I do when I'm alone.
Not in a gross way or anything.
Like pooping?
Yeah, I don't want to be observed.
Do you think our grandma toilet peeping?
Yes, I do.
She was a weird woman.
If there were anyone to be a wandering spirit in the afterlife, it would be our grandmother.
Absolutely.
She is super haunting a lot of members of our family.
If there are ghosts.
Not the right ones.
I have a few I can think of that could use a good haunting.
Okay, so if you...
Ghostly kick in the face.
So if you died today and you were given the opportunity to affect people on Earth,
or you could just like move on to the next place, which would you choose?
Would you still want to impact the Earth in some way or would you want to just move on to the great beyond?
Hmm, I think that I would probably...
Would you be able to switch?
Or would you have to make the decision and then indefinitely have to live with that decision?
Or not live?
I think...
Unlive with that decision?
I think you have to live with that decision.
Yeah.
Okay, so you have to...
What are my powers?
What are my abilities?
Well, if I decide to stay on this big blue marble.
Okay, so if you stay on the big blue marble, you get the ability to move...
inanimate objects that you would be able to have moved in life.
So you could theoretically move a mattress, but you couldn't really move a car.
But if the car was in neutral, I could move it?
Sure, yeah.
See, that's tough because you don't know what's beyond that, so it's a gamble.
And I am a big Kenny Rogers fan.
I think that I would probably take the known.
So I would stay here and just mess with people.
Versus... I guess, yeah.
Versus whatever's going on past this.
Because if you're so inclined to believe, you move on from Earth, and then it's a 50-50 shot where you're heading.
Maybe.
You're either going up or you're going down.
Yeah, I mean...
Or going another way if you believe it, you go into nothingness.
Wouldn't you rather still exist in a ghostly form than not exist at all?
No.
Just be Thanos?
I'd rather be Thanos.
Yeah?
Yeah.
At some point, I think that I would just get exhausted with wandering forever and being able to sort of impact things, but not really.
I don't want to be a background character for the rest of eternity.
I would take the gamble.
Maybe it's lights out and maybe that's reincarnation or something.
You would get to... it'd be lights out and lights back on.
Maybe.
You don't exist in that time that the lights are out.
Maybe the Hindus have it right.
I was going to look into it.
I didn't get time, but are there other religions that believe in reincarnation?
Not like the major ones, not the post-aparian ones, no offense, but the ones that actually matter.
I think that there's some kind of variation on reincarnation in a lot of places.
There's old school philosophy, like the Plato and Socrates era.
They believed in this kind of fracturing of souls, that there were 6,000 whenever the Earth was first made.
And then whenever those people died, their souls would be broken apart and splintered and would go back into different humans.
Because 6,000 souls can't really be whole if you're stretching them across 7 billion people.
And so it was this sort of reincarnation where eventually we just kind of wander the Earth in our lifetimes trying to find the other pieces of our original souls.
I've always loved that idea.
So like, you have a goal at the end, but you have to finish all these side quests?
No. I don't think that the point is necessarily that you do find all of the parts of your soul.
Because realistically, after this many generations and when you're one of 7 billion, there's no chance that you find all of the parts of all of the souls that you are.
Your point is just to be a little bit more whole when you die than when you were born.
Does that mean you don't believe in soulmates?
I do believe in soulmates.
But I don't believe in a soulmate.
Because I think if you have 7 billion people, that there's no way that there's just like the one person that is perfect for you.
I think that a lot of people serve a lot of different purposes.
I have friends that I would consider soulmates.
I have met a lot of people that I would consider soulmates in a platonic, romantic, any kind of that sense.
Do you believe in friends with benefits being soulmates?
I've seen the movie, so yes, I do believe that those people are soulmates.
They're referred to as wholemates.
Gross.
Did not like that.
So you brought up ghost tours, and they do them in your neck of the woods?
Yes.
Have you ever been on one?
I have not.
I've wanted to go for the longest time, and it feels so touristy that I don't want to go to the one that's right next to my work.
I don't want to interact with those people outside of the scope of my job.
But if I were to go traveling somewhere, I would love to do a ghost tour.
Like New Orleans, I would definitely be down for that.
Yeah, we did San Antonio, I want to say two years ago on Halloween.
Oh, that sounds like fun.
And I questioned a lot of the stories we were told.
They were real interesting stories.
They were very in depth and they held your attention.
But like one of them I remember is this big battle that happened between the Texicans and the Natives.
People that were already here.
They go back and forth, it lasts for however long, and then at the end, to show that they're ready for peace,
they take a hatchet and bury it in the ground.
And that's where the term burying the hatchet comes from.
Which if true, great.
That's a fantastic origin story.
But I have my doubts.
And there was a lot of things like that, that if true, awesome, neat.
But also, it's one of those things that you would whip out at a party,
and you'd get some asshole coming in from the back, actually Google says.
Okay, first of all, I'm gonna need you to take out that, the nerd voice, because you know both of us do that.
I don't need Google.
Because I have people like Rick, the ghost tour man, to give me all the information I need for my factoids.
Yeah?
Yeah.
And then you're gonna believe that is law, everything that Rick says?
I mean, until some jerk comes in and gives me an actually.
And then you're just gonna believe that dork?
No.
No, I'll still believe Rick.
But you do need Google.
He wore cargo shorts.
Gross.
And hiking boots.
And a big backpack for some reason.
Did he have incredible calves?
He didn't need a big backpack, he did.
He didn't need a big ass backpack.
We were walking around San Antonio.
He needed a drink that we passed by hundreds of places.
But he felt the need to look the part, and I appreciate that.
And so that to me conveys that he knows what he's talking about.
Ever see a man with a camelback?
I will trust anything he tells me.
That is a man that is more prepared for life than I have ever been.
Used to have one.
They're real convenient.
I do, I pass by a lot of people whenever I like, I go running in the mornings.
I pass by a lot of people who have camelbacks.
And I don't know that I trust them, because that's a little too prepared.
Why?
Because I mean, it's not.
You know what they should have?
They should have the camelback on their back and the stadium buddy wrapped around their leg.
I mean, I don't know that they don't have the stadium buddy wrapped around their leg.
That way it's a direct flow.
No stopping.
Just nonstop running.
You get your hydration, your body takes what it needs, and then boom.
You know what?
If you are so committed to running that you have a full water cycle on your person, I respect you.
I don't want to talk to you.
Maybe then some way, like one of those things that the astronauts have, then it recycles the urine and goes back into the camelback and then boom.
Oh my God, that's so gross.
I mean, astronauts do it.
You make sacrifices for the things that you're passionate about.
It may be running, it may be going to space, who knows?
Dedication is still the same.
Is that a ghost?
What was that?
Your house is haunted.
It is haunted, yeah.
Robert.
Which, I mean, that's a...
I don't...
I think it probably has a lot to do with Robert the doll.
But I just think Robert in general is an old-timey, creepy name if you're talking about ghosts.
And we do have stuff that happens here.
I mean, this isn't a terribly old house, but there is a lot of stuff that happens in the night that can't really be explained.
And we still get mail all the time for this man that has been dead for like three years now.
Do you think there are like 21st century ghosts?
Or do you think they're all like, was there a cutoff?
Because I feel like in media, you always see the like 18th century Victorian frail child kind of ghosts.
Or like the girl from the ring or some variation of that.
I feel like you never see like Brittany who was texting on her sidekick when she died.
I mean, Smara from the ring wasn't like old-timey, was she?
Yeah, I mean, she was in one of those like dressing gowns.
She was...
She died like a while, a while before the actual movie takes place.
But how?
Her...
It was all recorded.
It had to be when the camcorder existed.
How else did it get on the tape?
Asking the real questions here.
No, it's the same thing I was asking you earlier that she can affect apparently video tapes or a camcorder.
And she can brush her hair in front of a camcorder, put it on a VHS and mess up some kids.
Do you think if that movie were made today, it would have the same effect if it had to be like a deadly stream?
It would be a viral video.
It's a two girls, one cup kind of situation.
But like you don't want to watch it.
You hear nothing but bad things.
You know, whatever you're about to see will traumatize you.
But some people just watch it anyway.
That did. That did. Go around.
Have you seen it?
No.
I'm not talking from experience. You're just talking out of your ass right now.
I'm not.
If I heard the reputation about it beforehand and I was like, you know what?
I think I'm good.
I don't think I need to traumatize myself.
Just like a lot of the people who got the videotape from the ring.
They were like, this thing is going to kill you.
And they were like, OK, no, thanks.
It's got a great soundtrack.
I will take your word for it.
Like I did with every other part of that video.
Sure.
And then that spawned.
I mean, that was like the Star Wars of that genre film.
It just spawned all kinds of parodies and reimaginings.
And there is something so infinitely wrong about comparing Star Wars to the two girls, one cup video.
Why? Because they're both originals.
Sure. Yeah.
Let's go with that.
And they were the inspiration for everything, everything beyond.
OK, so the dead internet theory starts in 2016.
But if you're making that argument, then I'd argue the internet died the day that that got posted.
Everything has been diminishing returns since then.
Maybe it is.
Maybe Harambe wasn't what killed the internet.
Maybe it was two girls, one cup.
That would explain a lot.
But then how do you explain Harambe?
It exploded.
No one knew about Harambe until Harambe happened.
Yeah, but what if Harambe was just the government trying to see how susceptible we were to media blitzes?
My head's going to explode.
Harambe never happened, folks.
If you don't know what Harambe is, look up Cincinnati Zoo.
It's a great story.
I don't know about a great story.
It's a very impactful story.
It was an impactful story.
It changed the course of the universe.
It had many splinters that we still feel today.
What do you think is the most haunted type of building?
So anywhere where an evil person, like a serial killer, lived, like the Stanley Hotel or whatever H.H. Holmes' hotel was called.
Murder Castle.
The Murder Castle, yeah.
That one's been torn down for a long time.
Now it's a post office.
Really?
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Do you think that the people who died in that hotel are haunting the post office?
Is that why the post office sucks so much?
Do they haunt all the post offices?
It all just spreads from there.
I don't know.
Yes.
Yeah.
But yeah, no, like the anywhere where, like, gruesome murders happened would be the most haunted, obviously.
The Borden House.
The Basilica Axe murders.
The Emmityville Horror House.
The farm where they found out someone had been living in the barn and then murdered the entire family and then went back to the barn, took care of all the animals and stuff, and then left like three days later.
Enter Kaifeck.
I don't know if that is.
It's just pretty much just spoiled the whole story for you.
Yeah, man.
Spoiler alerts.
I think it was in Germany.
That sounds German.
Austria.
Hotel Cecil.
Definitely haunted.
Yeah, that's, that one's still, still taking lives.
What do you think happened to Elisa Lam?
It's still taking lives?
I didn't know that.
I mean, that was pretty recently.
I didn't know that anyone had died since her.
I mean, I don't know if they've done all kinds of stuff to it now.
They tried to turn it into, they tried to turn it into Enter Kaifeck.
Yeah, Germany.
Bavaria, Germany.
March 31st, 1922.
They tried to turn it into like public housing.
Okay.
And then that didn't work because all the money got drained out somewhere.
And so that fell through and then another investor bought it and then has been making renovations on it to turn it back into a hotel.
I'm pretty sure.
Or apartments.
I feel like it's, I feel like it's apartments.
Yeah.
Regardless.
I think there is a certain cap to which like after a certain amount of people have died there, maybe close it down.
Maybe turn it into a post office.
Maybe.
Yeah.
I mean, just TNT the hell out of it and then wash your hands of the whole mess.
Also, I have no idea what happened to Elisa Lam.
I do feel like it was kind of like an off her meds, just psychosis kind of thing.
Yeah.
Because I mean, the biggest argument against the fact that it was all of her own doing was that there wasn't any way that she could lift the lid off of the water tank.
Realistically, like it's the mom strength if your child is in danger, that like superhuman thing.
I feel like that could still be activated by psychosis.
Am I making it up or as part of it that it had to be latched from the outside?
Did it?
I don't remember if that's part of it or not.
I thought the problem with her being in the tank was that there wasn't any way she could do it by herself just because it was so heavy.
That was part of it.
She was little.
But I think another part of it was also that they couldn't.
It had to be like it was latched and then you had to be latched from the outside.
I don't remember.
But if you want to check that out, that's also some some creepiness.
It's pretty much everything up to her going to the roof and no one noticing until a couple days later when the water started turning black.
OK, well, in that case, since she didn't get found for a couple of days, then it could have been one of the maintenance people that was just like, oh, this water tank is unlatched.
It could have been.
And they latched it and just didn't think about the fact that there might be a body decomposing in there.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's that's the problem with a bunch of these ghost stories and stuff and just stories of misfortune and murder and upsetting things is that.
It's all a game of telephone. It starts from the source and then the next person had some embellishments and next person had some embellishments and next person had some embellishments and then crime podcasters get to it.
Yeah, and it's all just a and then all of a sudden it's this huge thing that really.
On its own, wouldn't have been too out of the ordinary, like still a pretty crazy story, but it wouldn't like we wouldn't know who Alisa Lamb was.
If there weren't enough morsels in that original story.
That could be expanded upon and turned into what it is now.
Yeah.
What's your answer for a hotel?
Most haunted type of building. Absolutely hotels. Yeah, because we also we don't really have a concept of how often people die at hotels.
I feel like it's a lot and not even just like the like the Stanley Hotel Hotel Cecil any of that stuff just like hotels in general.
Yeah, I read an interview with someone who works in an undisclosed Vegas Hotel and the turnaround from death to rebooking the room is insane.
I believe that, especially in Vegas.
And not having to disclose it.
Think of how many people probably died at Chateau Marmont in LA.
And those are people of note so that you would hear maybe the few celebrity things that happened there.
But other than that, everyone is kept under, I'm sure insanely strict NDAs to not say a word about what happens in that building.
The most famous person is that River Phoenix?
He died in the Viper Room. I don't think he died at Chateau Marmont.
Someone died in the, I think they died in the parking lot.
Didn't Farley die there?
No, he died in Chicago in his apartment.
Belushi? I feel like it was one of like the SNL guys.
Oh yeah, it might have been Belushi. Yeah.
Which Jim, you know, he's got his own show running his wheat farm.
Yeah, he owns a dispensary, which is awesome. Love that for him.
After the, I'm sure, not great according to Jim money dried up.
I mean, people loved it. Yeah.
But he was always in his brother's shadow, much like you.
I'm sure you can, you can really connect with that. It's brutal out here, guys.
I think that we spend a lot of time with the what ifs on ghosts,
but we don't spend enough time criticizing the people that capitalize on the people that want to believe.
Mediums are the worst people alive.
I don't know about worst people, because I think that they give people hope, whether it's false hope or not.
It can lead you on the path of acceptance and moving on.
Sure, but I think it's so disgusting to capitalize off someone's grief.
I think the same thing about a lot of the funeral industry,
that they can price gouge you because your thought process is not how much you're spending whenever your loved one dies.
It's, I need to get this off my plate. I want them to have the best for whatever their next chapter is.
Did you hear about that one? He was a midget psychic?
Not going along with this premise. I know.
I don't remember what happened. He got in trouble for something and ended up fleeing the country.
Did he now?
Yeah. Yeah. I think the headline was a small medium at large.
Oh my God. That was one of my most favorite jokes.
Oh, I love that one. I work it in whenever I can, whenever I see an opening.
That's a good one.
You got this crossing over with John Edwards, who got his own South Park send up.
And then you got the Long Island medium. And then you got...
What's the, the twink dude? Tyler Henry?
Tinkerbell? I don't know.
There's a like Hollywood medium or something like that. I think his name is Tyler Henry.
He talks to all the celebs.
He talked to Matt Lauer on the Today Show about his dad.
About Matt Lauer's dad? I wonder how Matt Lauer's dad's feeling about him these days.
Probably ask Tyler Henry.
Do you think he asked him for tips on how to install the automatic door locks?
Oh, the three eighths wrench.
Canceled. Absolutely not.
But then you also got people like Zach Baggins who have made an entire career off of Go Switch.
I mean, God bless him. He found a market and he exploited the hell out of it.
But he's got his museum in Vegas. He's got a thousand different shows on Discovery.
For the record, I have absolutely no idea who this man is.
You don't know who Zach Baggins is?
No.
I'm trying to think of. He's like a...
Is he like the ghost hunter guy on Discovery or TLC and whatever?
I'm sure he has something to do with it because all the Discovery stuff that's ghost related, he has his hands in.
Okay.
He's like, if Edward Snowden were more into ghosts than exposing our government, that would be Zach Baggins.
Okay.
He's got like ghost adventures. I don't know, just those shows where they film in night vision and...
Did you hear that?
And then they're back in the studio and they're like, play the tape.
And then they put in a little...
It'll be like...
And it's the air conditioner, but then the subtitles say, get out of my house.
That kind of dumbassery.
But like I said, he found an audience with people that are inclined to believe, and he's milking the hell out of it.
So kudos to him, but also he's perpetuating the idiocracy.
I learned who this man was two minutes ago, so I won't speak to his intentions.
But I will say if it's not like a...
If he's just one of like the urban explorer guys who just goes in like closed down asylums and stuff, which I learned that there's one in Dallas.
I think that actually might have been on our last try on the ghost episode.
Yeah, for those who don't know, this is our third time trying to record this.
And this one is, I think, just about as long as those last two combined.
Yeah.
So far.
We are putting in the legwork for you guys.
You are.
Hope you appreciate it.
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Comment.
Tell us what you hate that we're doing, because I can't wait for those to start coming in.
Yeah.
Do we need more dad jokes?
I think we might need more dad jokes.
Well, I burned my best joke ever.
So I don't know.
I might have to do some research.
I believe in you.
Thanks.
I needed that.
But anyway, if the stuff that Zach Baggins is doing is not directly hurting people, then by all means, I absolutely support him.
Faking some subtitles on an EMP waves.
What are the EMP?
EMP waves.
White noise.
Yeah.
I support them.
Absolutely.
They sell those units now.
All they are is they just skip through radio stations real fast.
And you're going to get you're going to catch little bits of words and it's going to sound like something that is not it.
I always kind of thought of those readers as like applause meters on TV shows where it's just like a monitor of how much sound you're hearing, not really anything else.
Yeah.
If you are a real life Ghostbuster, please reach out.
We'd love to talk to you.
We would love to talk to you.
We want to believe.
I already believe in aliens, so it would make just so much sense for my character development if I believed in ghosts.
I've got a list of 13.
I think the whole list was maybe 20.
These are the only ones that I care to talk about of top ghost movies.
You have a list of 13 ghosts.
Oh, and you ruined it.
That means there's a 14th ghost movie.
Okay.
Well, it didn't make this list, so that's not my fault.
13 ghost movies.
Number one.
What do you think number one is?
Poltergeist.
No, I'll give you a hint.
It's real on the news.
Is it Ghost?
It's Ghost.
With Swayze?
Yeah, and Demi Moore.
I've never seen it.
It's not bad, but it's cheesy as hell.
Yeah.
Which to be fair, I think most of the Patrick Swayze movies were.
Roadhouse?
Uh-huh.
Yeah, you're probably right.
It's a good movie.
I like Roadhouse.
I like Dirty Dancing and Ghost, but they're cheesy as hell.
Did you like the remake of Roadhouse?
I did.
I actually really enjoyed the Gyllenhaal version.
I haven't seen it.
It didn't try to not be cheesy, which I appreciate, because a lot of the reboots and stuff are
trying to be the serious version or try to fix the thing that people didn't really care
for in the original, but it's just campy.
It's fun.
I won't watch a Gyllenhaal movie until he gives back the red scarf, which he can't do,
so I'm never going to watch a Gyllenhaal movie.
Wow.
I'm excited.
Also, stay tuned for our Taylor Swift episode.
Is she overrated?
We might have a special guest on that one.
We might have a special guest.
It might get pretty tense.
It's going to get heated.
I am absolutely on the wrong side of the argument with our special guest.
Okay.
Number two, Ghost Town.
You ever seen Ghost Town?
That sounds familiar.
Ricky Gervais and Greg Kinnear?
That's a pretty good one.
Okay.
Is that one of the ghosts that's there to change a man's perspective and make him a
better person, one of those kind of movies?
A Christmas Carol?
Yeah.
It's a Christmas Carol ghost story?
Yeah.
I was thinking It's a Wonderful Life, which is one of my most favorite movies of all time,
but that's more of a ghost comes in in order to, or an angel, whatever you want to call
it, comes in to show you what could be.
Yeah, I think A Christmas Carol is more of an at comparison.
Casper.
We just watched this one like last week.
I have never seen Casper.
At least I don't remember ever watching Casper.
I did read the comics.
Do you think that he is the ghost of Richie Rich?
I think there's no way he's not.
Yeah?
The resemblance is uncanny.
I don't figure there's too many people with those big old heads.
A huge ass forehead gives it away.
Yeah.
Casper's pretty good.
I do love Christina Richie.
I watched it all growing up.
It is much more intense than I remember it being because I haven't seen it in probably,
I don't know, 15 years.
Okay.
But yeah, there's one scene where, spoiler alert for this almost 30 year old movie, a
priest goes in to exercise the house and then comes out with his head completely twisted
backwards.
Oh.
Which I remember that part was in it, but then there's other parts in it that just I
did add no recollection of and just maybe they flew over my head when I saw them.
A little salt the last time, but just it's one of those movies that is good for the whole
family.
Okay.
Yeah, it's got something for everyone in it.
We'll have to add it to the list of our Halloween movies for this month.
When I say twist, what do you think?
M. Night Shyamalan, obviously.
And when you think of M. Night Shyamalan and twists and the original, what do you think
of?
I see dead people.
The Sixth Sense.
Have you seen it?
I have.
Yeah.
What do you think?
I really liked it.
Was the ending spoiled for you when you saw it?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Because I mean, I see dead people is like the, he's the only one that's really dead.
It's like the whole thing that you know about the Sixth Sense before you watch the movie.
Yeah.
I remember, I watched it way too young, but I remember our parents being mind blown that
he was dead the whole time.
If it hadn't been for that shtick for M. Night Shyamalan having to do a twist in every single
movie, then I think that he would be considered one of the better directors.
Because I mean, there's a big twist in...
The new one.
No.
I think there's really a big twist in that one.
Have you seen it?
I didn't watch that one.
No.
It's pretty much a vehicle for M. Night Shyamalan's daughter to get a pop career.
Get her nepo baby status.
Yeah.
I will say that it's a little unfair because I think that having him direct Avatar the
Last Airbender was a stupid choice just out of the gate.
It makes no sense.
He was not the right kind of director for that movie.
And it is unfair that I hate him because of it.
I don't think...
But the only things I think of when I think of M. Night Shyamalan is, well, I guess technically
also Split.
But it's mostly Avatar the Last Airbender.
Split was a good one.
Split, it didn't really have a giant...
It didn't have a big twist.
You knew what was going on.
But the twist was in the end credits scene and they did a Marvel and they're like, ooh,
there's this guy back when Bruce Willis from Unbreakable was there.
I don't think there's a single podcast on earth that can bring up casually in conversation
M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender in multiple episodes.
We are trendsetters, guys.
Is that going to be our new shtick?
Is how we can compare everything to M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender?
I will say that ahead of starting this podcast and trying to write episodes and stuff, I
did not realize how much beef I had with The Last Airbender movie.
I hate it so much that I will not watch the show that came afterwards, the live action
one on Netflix.
I hear it's really good.
I'm never going to invest my time into a live action Avatar anymore.
I am so glad that it was marketed as M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender.
The only way it could be better is if it was marketed as M. Night Shyamalan Presents Avatar
The Last Airbender.
Because that would be even more pretentious than every time we brought it up, it would
be even better.
That's fair.
So from now on, it's going to be M. Night Shyamalan Presents Avatar The Last Airbender.
That is going to get really hard to say really fast.
For every single episode that we bring it up in.
Ghostbusters.
I loved the original Ghostbusters.
And then I didn't really care for two or three.
Or the reboot.
I don't think people really like two or three.
The woman reboot was dumb.
I also don't support rebooting a story just to gender bend it, but not adding anything
of substance to it besides the fact that, hey, it's these guys, but what if they were
women?
But Chris Hemsworth.
I do love Chris Hemsworth.
And Andy Garcia for some reason.
Who's Andy Garcia?
I'm pretty sure he was like the mayor of New York.
I don't know.
I've seen that movie more times than I care to admit.
Just because it's a good, it's a bad movie.
It's not a good movie, but it is a good filler movie.
So like if you just want something on in the background and you want to catch a joke out
of context, then it's good for that.
If you want to watch it as a whole and try to get the whole story, that's not the way
you want to go.
I feel like if you're going to use the movie for background noise, you have better options
when it comes to all of the actresses.
I don't know all that much about what Leslie Jones has been in aside from SNL and Ghostbusters,
but like Kate McKinnon has been in a lot of better things.
One pit commercials.
Or she says, oh, I can do that.
Kate McKinnon has been in a lot of good things.
Melissa McCarthy has been in a lot of good background noise movies.
Kristen Wiig.
I don't know what that's from.
Oh, sweet niblets.
What is that from?
Sandy Bigelow?
Patterson?
Identity Thief?
Oh, okay.
Where they're going cross country.
There, I swear there was like six of those a year for like five years straight.
Well, yeah, because didn't Identity Thief come out at the same time as like Tammy, where
she was the exact same person?
It might have been like one was in May and one was in November, but essentially, yeah.
And Life of the Party and the one that she did with Sandra Bullock, The Heat?
Yes.
Melissa McCarthy had a pretty solid 15 minutes.
She did.
And then she got healthy.
She lost weight and then nobody wanted her anymore.
It's a genuinely tragic thing about show business.
It is, yeah.
Anyway, Ghostbusters, hit or miss?
Yeah, I think that...
I do like the ones with the Stranger Things Kid.
The new ones?
And Paul Rudd, yeah.
I've seen, we've seen both.
Yeah, we've seen both of them, but couldn't tell you plot lines.
Yeah.
Except for that there's one point where there's a bunch of little Stay Puft Marshmallow Men.
Those things are right here.
At Walmart.
That is one thing that stuck out at that movie is all the product placement.
Yeah, that is a thing that ruins a movie for me.
Product placement is a very fine art.
And another one that sticks out is the Power Rangers movie that came out with Elizabeth
Banks.
Oh, yeah, okay.
Dunkin Donuts and everywhere throughout the entire movie.
It's like a Spider-Man movie and all of the Sony equipment.
The PlayStations and the Sony TVs and all that.
Same thing with the first Thor.
It was 7-Eleven, everything.
Or anything Michael Bay and Surface, Microsoft, everything.
Yeah, Michael Bay is not using a Surface.
It's real dumb, yeah, no.
Just like those, whenever they do those commercials and they're like, I made this entire movie
on a Surface.
No, you didn't.
You're a big old liar.
It's like they're making a 28 years later and they wanted to try to recapture the original
movie and to do that, they're like, this whole thing was shot on an iPhone 15.
And then you see the iPhone 15 and it's surrounded by three feet on all sides of camera equipment.
Sure, it's maybe shot on an iPhone 15.
They did the same thing when they announced the iPhone 16.
They shot a weekend music video with the 16.
But then it had these huge grips on it and it had all these lights attached to it and
all this other stuff.
Yeah, they did the same with the, I guess iPhone just does this a lot.
Because I think they did the same with the 12 and an Ariana Grande and Gaga music video.
Anyway, what's next on your list?
Poltergeist.
We just watched that for the first time.
Yeah?
I did admittedly fall asleep during it.
What did you think?
I really liked what I did watch.
I like the fact that that's one of the ones where a lot of the stuff is practical.
If you watch behind the scenes stuff, you know the chair stacking in the kitchen?
They all did that practically.
They turned the camera away.
Seven people came in, stacked the chairs super fast, stepped out and then they swing the
camera back over.
That's crazy.
I miss the artistry behind practical effects.
Me too.
I mean, like the Jurassic Park and all of the Planet of the Apes movies and stuff.
You didn't have the option to have CGI, so they just had to get real creative.
Did you know that at the end of Poltergeist in the swimming pool scene, I mean-
I was asleep for that for sure.
Okay, you can ask Nate about the end of Poltergeist in the swimming pool scene.
There's a bunch, they're surrounded by a bunch of skeletons and stuff.
Real bodies, real skeletons.
Oh.
Because they were cheaper than fake skeletons.
So they got them from like a university lab.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Next one, the others, Nicole Kidman.
I've not seen her.
She's a Civil War lady, era lady maybe.
Like a nurse or just like a lady?
No, she's a mother.
Like the owner of this estate and these people move in and she's trying to get them out and
they won't leave.
She thinks that they're ghosts that are haunting her house and it turns out she was the ghost
of the old.
Again, spoiler alert.
And she murdered her children.
This movie is 24 years old.
So that's a good one to check out.
Okay.
Add it to the list.
I have to rent it.
Never mind.
Thank you.
I have it on DVD somewhere.
Okay.
Next one, Beetlejuice.
I am a fan of Beetlejuice.
I did not care for this sequel.
No?
What was your problem with the sequel?
The biggest thing that irritated me about the movie was Jerry Jones.
Jeffrey Jones?
Yeah, Jerry Jones homes the cowboys.
Jeffrey Jones.
Not bad.
Sorry, Jerry Jones.
No need to apologize.
He's done enough in his life.
That's fair.
Well, in this specific case, sorry, Jerry Jones.
Jeffrey Jones, it annoys the hell out of me that that movie was trying to be like, yeah,
he was a person that did terrible things.
Let's not include him.
And they included him in every part of the movie.
And even his likeness.
They didn't just allude to him.
They also used his likeness and claymation.
Literally no part of the movie would have happened had it not been for his character.
And I understand the whole point of Beetlejuice is the afterlife and it makes sense for them
to kill someone to get to the afterlife.
But oh my God, he should not have been anywhere near as big of a part of that movie as he
was.
No, because at that point, just have him in the movie.
Correct.
Yeah.
He needs the money.
No.
Oh, have him do it for free.
Pro boner.
Obviously he was pro boner.
Anyway, yeah, no, did not care for the sequel.
Yeah, I agree.
But also really bothered me that they didn't even...
It was so wild to me that they decided to put in this whole claymation segment so they
didn't have to use real people.
And they used a claymation that looked just like him.
So I just, I mean, this goes back to our conversation with...
Art versus the artist.
Yes, with AI and all that stuff.
And just like, yeah, this person did a thing, but technically this isn't that person.
So we good?
Also on the note of the claymation thing, it felt very Ben Wyatt that the claymation
thing was included in the first place.
It's just so out of place.
Could a depressed person make this?
And I mean, it is Tim Burton.
So I mean, you're going to get some out of left field things, but just it was just so
far out of left field and made it wasn't necessary.
And you could tell that the only reason they put it in was because they wrote the story
in such a way that they needed it to happen, but they knew they couldn't use Jeffrey Jones.
And so they found a workaround.
And then for the rest of the movie, he's just a lower two thirds person walking around sputtering
blood everywhere.
I will say, I do love Jenna Ortega.
And I am generally speaking, a fan of Winona Ryder.
So do you appreciate the rest of the casting?
I just think the basis of the movie was a little dumb.
Did you know that Winona Ryder and Johnny Depp dated?
I did.
And then he got his Winona forever tattoo changed to wino forever.
Dang it.
You can't out fun fact me, man.
The shining.
I actually know.
I don't really think I enjoyed that movie.
No.
It's very intense.
It's I think I liked bits and pieces of it.
And I can appreciate like the artistry behind it.
But generally speaking, I don't think it was a thing that I would opt to rewatch.
Yeah.
And also, that was another movie where there's just random things in it.
Just to have those random things in it.
Like the man in the bear costume, the old lady that's naked in the bathtub.
I think that my it's not a bad movie by any stretch of the imagination.
But I do think there's a lot of better Stephen King movies and better Kubrick movies.
And so I think it just it doesn't rank high enough on the respective lists for me.
What's your favorite Kubrick movie?
Clockwork Orange is really good.
I did watch that one way too young.
2001 Space Odyssey was really good.
The one where they faked the moon landing right after.
Have you ever seen Nicole Kidman, Tom Cruise?
Eyes Wide Shut?
Yeah.
I have not.
No.
I've heard a lot of things about it.
It just seems really intense.
And I haven't set aside that energy.
Is that a Kubrick movie?
I did not know that.
Was it his last?
Maybe.
Interesting.
But as far as Stephen King goes, Green Mile hands down all day every day.
We also just watched Misery, which is a fantastic movie.
You know, The Shining is actually, in my opinion, one of the outliers.
And I like the sequel a lot more than I like the original.
Doctor Sleep.
Didn't watch it.
That's real good.
That's Ewan McGregor, right?
You should check it out.
I might add it to the list.
Maybe.
This one is kind of a curveball.
Okay.
And I know this one meant a lot in our household.
And you might even not consider it a ghostly movie.
Okay.
But Grease.
Okay.
I definitely don't consider that a ghostly movie.
Why not?
Why is it a ghostly movie?
I mean, you know about the theory that she died on the beach and everything after that
is just afterlife.
Because they drive into the sun at the end of the movie.
Yes.
How do you explain that?
It's supposed to be about these kids going to high school and then it's all of a sudden
she turns into the bad girl and then she flies off literally in a car into the sunset with
Danny Zuko.
Explain that.
Drugs.
Okay.
That's a cop out.
Sure.
Absolutely.
Never once.
So is she died at the beginning.
That is the same thing they use for everything.
She was actually dead the whole time.
Never once do you see them allude to anything but cigarettes.
Probably alcohol.
But you do see them allude to her being in a life endangering situation and maybe or
maybe not making it out of it.
Flip side to that.
The conversation or the whole movie is supposed to be directed towards kids or young adults.
Supposed to reach a broader audience and it's kind of feels like the same thing as like
how I met your mother, how they have the weed that they allude to but it's always sandwiches
or that Barney's suits, maybe a cocaine problem.
Who's to say that they don't allude to actual drugs in Greece and it's not just a.
It's geared towards kids.
That's what you're telling me.
I don't think that it should be, but I do think it was written for kids.
Yes.
Where they talk about pussy wagons.
Yeah.
Also, mom sent me the lyrics to that thing and how she didn't realize it was as problematic
until she got to the rewatch.
That was a movie that she was raised on.
She's loved it forever.
I mean, does that make it any less a part of her childhood?
No.
I mean, I think every kid at some point has something that's they rewatch as an adult
and they're like, oh, that's what that was.
Hey, buzz marketing for another future episode.
Retroactive cancellation.
Oh, I didn't know that one was on the docket.
Yep, it is.
Okay.
Greece, not a ghost movie.
Not a ghost movie.
Absolutely not.
Weird ending.
Not a ghost movie.
Pirates 1.
Honestly, I don't really remember anything from the Pirates movies.
I watched them when they first came out, so I would have been so young that went over
my head.
That summer we spent at grandma's.
I was given like 20 bucks to last me, well, it was supposed to be a week, ended up being
like a month and a half.
Anyways, the first time we went to Walmart, I bought Pirates of the Caribbean, Curse of
the Black Pearl on DVD and spent all my money.
And we watched that on repeat.
I don't remember that at all.
Over and over and over again.
Okay.
I mean, I am a fan in general of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, so point in its favor,
I guess, but I couldn't tell you anything that specifically happens in the Curse of
the Black Pearl.
It's a ghost with a purpose.
There's a reason behind it.
It's not just nebulous and, oh, these ghosts just exist because they exist.
So they steal the gold, gold curses all of them.
In the moonlight, they turn into ghosts.
And during the day, they're technically undead, but you can't tell.
It's the basic synopsis.
Okay.
Worth a rewatch.
Paranormal Activity.
Not a fan.
Nate's a really big fan of the Paranormal Activity movies.
I'm a little hit or miss when it comes to found footage movies.
Like the Blair Witch project was good, but it was because it was kind of like the first
of its kind.
I thought VHS was okay.
I like the VHS movies.
I liked the second or third one.
I don't remember how many there are.
I liked the last one.
Viral?
Oh, maybe not.
It was the one with the cult at the end with all the kids.
There's a demon that breaks out and chases after one of the cars.
94 maybe.
I don't know.
There's one of the...I haven't seen the latest one.
I think it might have been the second one.
Because Viral doesn't sound familiar.
But yeah, no.
I'm not really a big fan of the Paranormal Activity vibe, the found footage thing.
I am going to give it a rewatch, give the series another chance sometime this month
in honor of the spooky season.
They would freak me out.
I'm not a jumper at theaters or anything, but those movies, the endings of them, they
released one like clockwork for like six years straight.
So we would go every October to see the new Paranormal Activity.
And you can make them for pennies and they make bank.
So it made sense.
And you always knew what you were getting.
A lot of times you were just going to be staring at a room, at a black and white footage of
a room until a paper goes flying across the room.
You're like, oh, oh shit, it's coming.
I feel like the Paranormal Activity, the draw for those movies is also going to see it in
public.
With people.
Going to see it with people.
Preferably black people.
I'm not just going to sit down at home and just watch Paranormal Activity by myself.
That doesn't sound like fun.
I'm not a big jump scare movie person.
I don't really opt for the movies that are like explicitly just jump scares.
Neither is your sill.
She hates them.
Yeah, I know.
She was jump scared by John Wick 4.
Almost the whole way through.
To be fair, I did get a little jumpy whenever the movie first came on and the first noise
was just him hitting that bag and the whole theater shook.
I did.
I was prepared for it, but it still threw me a little.
If you get a chance, see a movie in Dolby.
Do not let it be John Wick 4.
It's a very vibration heavy movie.
And there's vibrators in the seats.
Yep.
All right, and the next movie.
All right, last one on this list that I felt was worth talking about it all was Annabelle.
Annabelle series.
You ever seen them?
We did a decent stint with all of the like conjuring extended universe for a little while.
I am kind of on the fence about Annabelle.
I'm not a big fan of like dolls.
They do creep me out.
As a general thing, I do not like the American Girl dolls.
Those freak me out.
I know that she's technically supposed to be like a raggedy Ann doll.
That creeps me out.
But I think they're like they're good.
They're pretty decent movies.
I like them.
I usually watch the series every October.
I haven't started yet.
I also like Vera Farmiga and Patrick Wilson.
The Warrens.
So you like the conjuring movies?
Well, they're I mean, they're in the Annabelle ones too.
The Warrens were like the whole like that's they have Annabelle now and her like.
Maybe I didn't watch them.
I watched them last year.
They go to like her sister's house.
Her sister too.
What's the what's the one in conjuring?
What's her name?
Vera Farmiga?
Tessa.
Tessa is her daughter.
No, Tessa is her daughter.
Is not.
She is too.
She's not.
I promise.
She is definitely Vera Farmiga's daughter.
She is not.
Actually.
Holy shit.
What?
Oh, looks like I was right.
Interesting.
The Nun movies are good.
Yeah.
Don't they look like so much alike that you would think that they were mother and daughter,
but they're not.
They're siblings.
They're 20 years apart, though.
Or 22 years apart.
They're both Hottie McHot Hots.
Vera more than Tessa.
I disagree.
They give the haunted Victorian child vibe and I'm not about it.
Maybe I'm into that.
You don't know.
I'm the only person that looked like a haunted Victorian child and that is my limit on attractiveness.
Who was that?
Brody.
Oh, I never saw him.
You saw him in passing, I believe, once or twice.
Maybe.
You also dated someone that would...
No, we don't need to go through my whole dating history.
Okay.
Hey, hey, hey.
Okay.
I made some questionable choices, guys.
I got it.
We all do.
So, to wrap all this up, who do you think is most likely, if they exist, the most famous
ghost of all time?
The most famous ghost of all time.
Do you think it would be a celebrity?
Do you think it would be a figure from war like Genghis Khan?
No, I don't think it would be a person from a war.
Do you think it would be a peaceful person?
No.
A neutral person?
I mean, I think in terms of the most prolific ghost, it would be someone evil because the
good ones' impact is probably understated if there are ghosts.
I would say any of the ones that haunt the dolls.
So like the...
Robert?
Like Robert, yeah.
That's a pretty famous ghost.
What if it turned out this was the Robert?
Where is Robert?
Like the doll?
Florida.
Oh, okay.
Somewhere in Florida.
Would you ever go to see Robert?
I would.
I don't believe in that silliness about Robert.
May I take your photo?
Famous last words.
I would take a picture of him.
It's going to be our last episode, guys.
I'd take glamour shots of him.
Snapchat filter with the puppy ears?
Yeah.
And then the tongue comes out and you shit your pants.
I would, yeah.
I would, hey, he could prove me wrong right there.
Yeah?
Yeah.
It's like, have you seen the...
You've seen Teslas that drive through cemeteries and it detects all these people around you
that aren't there?
Oh God, what?
Yeah.
No?
It's all over TikTok.
Check it out.
It's very unsettling.
Okay.
I will definitely check that out.
So consensus, after everything we've talked about, you think ghosts exist.
Yes.
I think that there's probably a great likelihood that they exist.
Most haunted building you think is a hotel.
Or a hospital.
See, our last recording, that's what I said.
But I don't know if...
I mean, really, it just depends on how you think you become a ghost because if it's unfinished
business or if it's a restless spirit, I don't really think that a hospital is really where
you would get the most of that.
Why is that?
I mean, I think once you make it to the hospital, I think, and you get to that point where it's
your time, I think, that you probably are mostly resigned to it.
What about like ERs?
ICUs?
That's a big part of hospital functionality.
Yeah.
I guess that that would be an aspect where it would be unexpected and it would be maybe
you'd be left with no closure.
So yeah, I guess...
Back in the olden days when they would have like the psych wards and stuff that were very
unkind to their patients.
Yeah.
I mean, if you're lumping in like asylums with hospitals, then yeah, because there's
all kinds of stories about asylums and the goings on that are very unsavory.
Hospitals and hotels.
Where we land on ghost shows?
They're cheesy.
And I think there's merit to them if they're just cheesy.
If it's a medium kind of situation where you're trying to like megaphone the dead, I think
it makes you an asshole.
Yeah.
I think that if you can get that scrilla and you're not hurting anyone, go for it.
Yeah.
But also know that most of your audience is probably not too high on the IQ scale.
I mean, it's mindless television.
I don't think that most of the people who watch like ghost adventures and stuff see
it as like, oh my God, there's an actual ghost.
I mean, I don't know.
You'd be surprised.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Maybe you're a ghost adventurer or a big Zach Baggins fan.
Seen a ghost.
Are a ghost.
Let us know.
We'd love to talk to you.
We don't have a lot of traction yet.
If you're a bot and want to reach out, by all means, man, come talk to us.
Yes, please.
We'd love to have you.
We can, we'll do the capture for you so you can break into the government.
Just give us a follow.
That's all we need.
Follow, listen, put us on in the background.
We need to just build up those numbers.
Remember guys, we're here for you until the times become precedented again.
Remember there could be a heaven.
There could be a hell.
So why risk it by being an asshole?
Wise words.
See you next time.