1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,160 Five, four, three, two, one, zero. 2 00:00:04,460 --> 00:00:06,040 Welcome to show, people. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,040 Welcome to the show. 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,380 Eat my shorts. 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,040 So here is the conversation. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Ten quality bags here, the ankle hair. 7 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,280 So welcome to Cash Exchange. 8 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,280 What a 9 00:00:53,860 --> 00:01:00,740 So to jump right in what do Twilight Nickelback and M. Night Shyamalan's avatar the last airbender have in common 10 00:01:01,540 --> 00:01:03,540 Very polarizing 11 00:01:03,540 --> 00:01:10,360 They are indeed like you're either coke or your doctor pepper. Is anyone pro M. Night Shyamalan's avatar? 12 00:01:11,660 --> 00:01:14,660 I mean, I'm sure he is maybe 13 00:01:14,660 --> 00:01:21,560 Um Dev Patel he was in it. No thing. Nope. No, nope 14 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,440 He was not in totally 15 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,360 As who I haven't seen it. I didn't watch the show 16 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,520 What was a great show I 17 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:39,960 Have a lot to say about avatar the last airbender. Oh, well, you got plenty of time 18 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:46,820 Okay, so just a quick thing the thing that infuriates me the most about avatar the last airbender is that he mispronounces the names 19 00:01:47,020 --> 00:01:53,500 It's not a book. You didn't just read all of the names. It says them in the TV show a thousand times 20 00:01:54,140 --> 00:01:57,140 It's a reinterpretation. It's 21 00:01:58,260 --> 00:02:02,180 Stupid so stupid they used Jasper from Twilight as 22 00:02:03,060 --> 00:02:05,840 Soca Jasper Jasper. He was the 23 00:02:06,700 --> 00:02:08,700 Confederate soldier 24 00:02:08,700 --> 00:02:12,620 Vampire the blonde guy. He's with the little emo girl Alice. Oh 25 00:02:14,180 --> 00:02:16,180 Anyway, it's a 26 00:02:16,220 --> 00:02:18,220 deviating from the question a little bit 27 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:22,100 avatar the last airbender and 28 00:02:23,300 --> 00:02:25,300 Twilight that dude 29 00:02:26,460 --> 00:02:30,360 Man, I wish Jackson Rathbone was a nickel back you actually 30 00:02:31,380 --> 00:02:35,240 Basically got it. I just wanted to go off on a little bit of a rant about avatar. They are 31 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:41,060 Super polarizing works and they're part of a growing list of things we have to justify enjoy 32 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,120 Yeah, which leaves us in to 33 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,420 The big topic of the day, which is can you separate art from the artist? I 34 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,960 felt like 35 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,320 Doing research for this episode. I felt like I was 36 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,240 More on the side of yes 37 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:10,000 That I could separate it like I mean I can hear 38 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,360 Smooth criminal in the grocery store and 39 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:21,240 It's still catchy. I mean, I definitely think about all the other stuff that happened, but yeah, I mean I can still 40 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:24,320 Still get down to it. So I think there's 41 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:30,680 In researching this because I thought just kind of going in that you would be able to separate art from the artist 42 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,960 And I'm sure there's situations where I haven't necessarily been able to do that, but 43 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:43,720 The question requires so much more specifics. I think to either the art or the artist. Yeah 44 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,240 So 45 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,320 There's also a couple different ways that I think the art 46 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,760 Versus the artist kind of conversation splits and it's when the artist did something genuinely terrible 47 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,080 Well, that's talking Bill Cosby R. Kelly. Maybe Johnny Depp 48 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Situations like that versus say like Rob Schneider or 49 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:15,120 Seth McFarland where they're just aggressively political people like everyone's entitled to their own beliefs on politics 50 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:21,160 But it's a little weird if you have this massive platform. I think and you use it to 51 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,440 Just push aggressive politics like that's not where your platform is 52 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,920 built on or for I guess I definitely agree with that. I definitely think that 53 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,520 I'm in the Ricky Gervais camp of 54 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:40,680 You most of you didn't go to school. You're not more worldly than 55 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,200 the next guy 56 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,560 So why should we care about your opinion just because 57 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,040 You get paid millions of dollars to pretend to be somebody else 58 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,760 That's a fair point and this all goes back to 59 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,800 COVID and 60 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,560 And it was just so tone deaf and 61 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:09,560 so stupid and even if 62 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,840 Even if it had been the smartest people in the world which smartest people in the world wouldn't have done that 63 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:20,840 Silliness but even if it had been the smartest people in the world that knew everything 64 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,840 It still would come across like what are you doing? Yeah? 65 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,000 Yeah, the the kind of idea that everyone has to be 66 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,920 Their image all of the time is kind of by itself a little insane 67 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,400 Yeah, like that 68 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:44,280 We care as a society what Ryan Reynolds is going to vote in this election. Yeah 69 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,200 like it's it's crazy that we have so blurred those lines between 70 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:55,280 Celebrity as this like kind of god status thing now. Yeah, and I mean it's 71 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,160 so many people 72 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,660 like celebrities mostly I 73 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,000 don't 74 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 think that it is I 75 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,640 I I don't think it's any different than 76 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:16,080 How everyone just hopped on ozempic and then all of a sudden they looked like anorexic skeletons 77 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,680 Like it's it's all it's all the trend like if you're on the fence 78 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:28,720 Then you're gonna say oh, I'm voting blue no matter who but that's just because that's what all their buddies are doing 79 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,720 That's what everyone else in the clique is doing 80 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:37,000 Because they have careers in the arts. It seems like unless you're say Tim Allen 81 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:44,720 Then if you're an artist you would lean more democratic. Yeah, but is it fair for the ones that aren't to be ostracized for it? 82 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,800 I don't think you should be ostracized for that 83 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,880 I think if you turn your platform and the thing that you are 84 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:55,120 Famous for the thing that you make money off of if you turn that into your political platform 85 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,760 then I think it's fair to ostracize you for it like when Rob Schneider got booted out of a 86 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:06,000 Was a hospital fundraiser I think which is in and of itself kind of an insane premise 87 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,720 They hired an anti-vaxxer 88 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:16,240 Stand-up comedian who doesn't really do stand-up anymore to put on a show at a hospital fundraiser and it went 89 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:22,480 Exactly as you think it would and they kicked him out because he went on rate or rants about vaccines 90 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,120 About gun rights. I think 91 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,400 It was just nuts 92 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,120 At at a show for a hospital that was I want to say it was last year 93 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,800 I mean, yeah, he's definitely got he's gone off the rails and that's another thing I just saw on tiktok was 94 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,760 This is daughter's name Elking. Yeah, she was doing an interview with bunny 95 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,640 That's a jellyrolls. Yeah, and she was talking about what a piece of shit daddy was 96 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,160 and how 97 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:00,080 Mentally abusive he was now. No, I don't know if it was physical. I mean, I've seen the bench warmers 98 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,000 Yeah, did you know she was in that? No, it's who has a little like goth girl cameo 99 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,280 No tracks for her 100 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,800 But even at that point, I think she could have just kicked ass 101 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:17,960 So I don't think he was ever physically abusive but definitely emotionally because and I think that that is gonna roll into a lot of what 102 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:25,760 I have for this episode is that I think a lot of this stuff is all just generational trauma 103 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,360 Really like Rob Schneider was the butt of the joke even when he was on SNL 104 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,920 like you had SNL or you had a 105 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,320 Rob Schneider David Spade Adam Sandler Chris Farley 106 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,640 It was it was those three and then Rob Schneider at the bottom 107 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,880 I've always loved Rob Schneider, but he does have really big sidekick energy. He does he does 108 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:53,240 But he did a great job leading do spigolo and hot chick and the hot chick the animals animals 109 00:08:53,240 --> 00:09:00,040 One of the really care for that one, but yeah, I mean he can handle a leading role the bench warmers kids loved it 110 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,320 I've always loved it. Yeah, I mean, it's but again 111 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:10,800 It's that attitude that I think he transferred into Elking and then Elking has had her issues with 112 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,360 With all the stuff and that's probably rooted and how 113 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:21,880 She raised with him. She was raised with him and then how he was raised with with his parents 114 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,920 And then all the stuff he dealt with just growing up just being was he half Filipino? 115 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,600 So specific to the Rob Schneider situation would it be? 116 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Not to boycott, but would it be fair to? 117 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:42,040 Kind of kick him out of the zeitgeist because he's turning his platform into something that it wasn't like 118 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,960 When he did all of those stupid movies, they're great movies, but they're stupid movies 119 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,320 But when he did like all of those stupid movies and that was 120 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,120 Kind of how he cut his teeth 121 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,400 is it 122 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Fair to have say that he's like past his prime now because he's just turned his his platform into 123 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:12,160 Political finger pointing all of them are past their prime. I think Adam all of what I don't do they have a name? 124 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,840 Did they have a name? 125 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,160 like the brat a brat pack they're not like 126 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,920 Rob Lowe and all the John Hughes people 127 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,920 Mm-hmm, but I don't think so 128 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:30,280 No, I mean all of them are but you have so you have spade I love spade I've always loved spade and he is 129 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,800 off 130 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,560 doing his fly on the wall podcast with Dana Carvey and 131 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,520 That's fine because he knows what he's about he knows that like he's self deprecating 132 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:46,240 He he knows that he's not whenever he walks into a room. He's not like the one everyone's there to see 133 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:53,320 Mm-hmm, but he's still funny. He still appreciates it and Adam Sandler will pretty much tell you hey 134 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,760 I'm phoning it in 135 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,920 Because I can't man. I'm like six. Yeah, that was a real low point. I think 136 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,520 Just and he said that 137 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:07,680 He'll sign on to do a movie just to give his family a free vacation to 138 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,320 Africa or to Australia or 139 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:16,600 I don't remember where the last one was but he did Paris for the second murder mystery. Yeah 140 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,040 Yeah, and then gives himself all these hot wives 141 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,040 Kate Beckinsale 142 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:28,360 Jennifer Aniston Drew Barrymore when I'm a writer we just watched mr. Deeds. I like when I'm a writer 143 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,880 That's another one see what she did was 144 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,480 It was I mean it was nothing dumb starlet behavior 145 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:44,520 Yeah, it's it's something that everyone does at some point in their life, but it ruined her career. Yeah, and then she had to 146 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:50,680 I don't even know what she was doing between mr. Deeds and stranger things, but if it weren't for stranger things, where she be now? 147 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,400 Oh, yeah, I guess I don't know what she did between 148 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,880 between those two and 149 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:03,600 Like she's in Beetlejuice and they're making it like a big part of their marketing campaign that she's in the second Beetlejuice because 150 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,040 the 151 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,280 The guy in Beetlejuice isn't in it 152 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:16,520 Michael Keaton's not in Beetlejuice. No Michael Keaton is oh the other dude the guy Alec Baldwin now the one that was married to 153 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,800 Catherine O'Hara 154 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:26,040 No, I don't even know who that was it's gonna say there's two important men in that movie and it's Michael Keaton and 155 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,600 Alec Baldwin 156 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,720 Jeffrey Jones. Yes. Yeah, he's not in this one 157 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,720 Because 158 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,800 Something we're gonna run into a little later. Oh 159 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,720 Yeah, all right, so I don't know how much you prepped for 160 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,520 But who do you have on your list? 161 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:48,200 So my list is sectioned into the type of art that they create. Hey me too. So I have 162 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,920 As far as books go, I'm not 163 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,760 The biggest reader anymore and I know that if you go back into 164 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:58,480 Like 20th century literary like literary works it gets 165 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,960 Real dicey real fast 166 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,920 But the one that I wanted to mention was JK Rowling 167 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,800 Because that one is the biggest part of the conversation today. That's the most current one. Yeah 168 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,040 There are definitely a lot of options there, but I think that she's the most important one to talk about 169 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:23,680 Given the context of this conversation for music. I have our Kelly and Michael Jackson. Hey me too for 170 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,800 Comedy I have Cosby and Louis CK 171 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:32,640 I didn't get to comedy and for movies. I have spacey and Weinstein 172 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,920 See yeah, I went a little I 173 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:41,060 Showed my age a little bit with the movie category because I did Woody Allen and Rowan Polanski 174 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,520 Which I think whenever whenever you think of 175 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,480 People that did some very questionable things like undisputed like very obvious 176 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:58,480 things have happened in their lives that are provable and then still be lauded as a hero and as this 177 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,640 visionary and this 178 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:06,640 Masterful person is just baffling and then whenever it comes to movies the two people that come to mind the most are 179 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,760 Woody Allen and Rowan Polanski. That's definitely fair. There was a another one that I came across in movies 180 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,720 I didn't do too much of a deep dive into it 181 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,480 but 182 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:24,400 It's kind of in the same vein I guess as the the Woody Allen Rowan Polanski and it's Morgan Freeman because if I'm not mistaken 183 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:30,160 I think he was in a relationship or at least had a some kind of affair with his step-granddaughter 184 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,160 Which is that's gross. It's it's a lot of 185 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,440 Things that make you think that you don't really want to think about so his wife's 186 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,560 Kids kid. Yes ex-wife. I don't know 187 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:48,120 I was just yuring. So I it's the granddaughter of his first wife 188 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:54,280 He and his second wife raised her since she was a child. Yeah, I mean that's and that's Woody Allen 189 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,880 And that's never in the conversation Morgan Freeman's 190 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,960 Still Morgan Freeman. Yeah, if you need a narrator for something call Morgan Freeman 191 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,360 Absolutely or call the guy that can imitate Morgan Freeman for a third of the price. I've seen family guy 192 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:13,880 Well, do you know works for scale? Do you know how much stuff is is credited to Morgan Freeman that he didn't do really? 193 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:19,840 He pays for them to use his name and then they pay a guy that it's usually the same person 194 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,280 pay him to 195 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,920 narrate or do whatever and then yeah, it's and this is same thing with Tom Hanks 196 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,760 Like with the everything really everything 197 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:37,760 Outside of the actual movies the actual toy story movies. That's all his brother really 198 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,240 I'm just like everything outside of the toy story movies like the 199 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,400 Game toys all that stuff. Oh, okay. Yeah 200 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:51,200 Interesting. I wonder what level of fame you have to have to be able to just pay someone to do your work for you 201 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,800 I mean, I think it it's definitely takes a lot of money 202 00:15:53,800 --> 00:16:02,640 But then it also takes having a very like if you hear Morgan Freeman or you see they do a Morgan Freeman impression 203 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,840 Everyone has one. Everyone has a trump. Everyone has a 204 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,920 Walkin a walk in a lot of walking. Yeah 205 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:17,160 Yeah, so it's just like you just have to get to that level and then once you're there to have to pour your name out 206 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,960 I hope that culturally speaking that we're replacing Morgan Freeman with Sam Elliott 207 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,680 His voice is my favorite. He's the best narrator 208 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:32,600 Yes, but I mean he's right up there with Morgan Freeman. So we could lose him back to back and then what it'll be a sad day 209 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,960 We have do we still have the movie phone guy? Is he still kicking? No, no, definitely dead 210 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,880 Feel like we should have a moment of silence for these people that probably died a 211 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,760 couple decades ago 212 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,760 now 213 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,080 That big trailer guy he was 214 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:55,560 Maybe a decade ago wait the epic trailers guy died like the youtuber no, oh 215 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:03,600 No, but just just the voice in a world guy. Yeah, you want to start off with comedy since I did nothing for comedy? Sure 216 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,600 I'll take over music. So 217 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:12,680 It's kind of hard to go into comedy just because we had a lot of this conversation the last podcast that we did 218 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,200 So with Louis CK 219 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,200 He 220 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,480 Was canceled for 221 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,040 If I'm not mistaken masturbating in front of people who are unwilling 222 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:31,120 lawyers 223 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,120 Onto his own stomach 224 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,280 Onto his own stomach 225 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,280 And I think that that which makes it worse 226 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,240 somehow 227 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:47,400 Is it is that is that worse? Yeah, because then you got a awkwardly get up and not try to get it all over the place 228 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,920 Or what you just use then you go in for the bear hug 229 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,120 We'll let it into your hand and just like lean into the trash can 230 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,080 It's so much worse 231 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Anyway, so 232 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,960 That's what Louis CK was accused of yes, and 233 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:12,720 It tanked his stand-up career well tanked his whole career because at that point he was doing the show Louis for FX 234 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,160 And like that was what FX was known for yeah was Louis because that was 235 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:24,960 Baskets had just started getting off the ground. I think it was maybe like two seasons in I think 236 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:31,840 FX at that point had Louis and it had Wilfred the one with Elijah Wood is the dog and Simpsons reruns 237 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:40,000 Every Simpsons ever yeah, yeah, I tried that did you ever try that I did I watched a decent amount of the every Simpsons ever 238 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,400 I remember when 239 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,600 They announced that 240 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,200 The Simpsons were going to FX and they were gonna do that every Simpsons ever 241 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:53,640 Mm-hmm. I planned my entire weekend around it. I think I made it probably a day and a half and 242 00:18:53,640 --> 00:19:00,520 My brain felt like it was a mush and I just I believe it honestly just wanted to die 243 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,880 I toughed it out. I toughed it out 244 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:11,760 That's the the thing that I hate most about streaming services. I don't get excited to watch things anymore. Mm-hmm. I 245 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:21,200 Don't have to like plan my day around watching something. I've been watching this season of House of the Dragon and the boys 246 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:27,680 But one to both I'm in the middle of season four of the boys and it's just so fucking political 247 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:34,640 It is it's unnecessary. It is it doesn't get any better, but I mean at least it's 248 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,240 At least you know, what's what's weird about it is that it's 249 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,240 So over the top 250 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:50,320 But it's not completely out of the realm of possibility and I think that is worse than the show being so political 251 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:58,320 Is that they can just do all of this crazy crazy stuff? And then you'd be like, yeah, I mean I could see that happening 252 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,000 Oh, I think that it walked a really it walked the line between 253 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,400 realism and fantasy really well for the first couple seasons and 254 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:13,360 Since like the probably the back half of season three to what I've watched so far of season four 255 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:20,720 It's just been all of the the maga stuff and I think they use like libtard a couple times like 256 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:27,040 I'm not I'm not watching TV so that I can be reminded of all of the stupid shit that's happening around me 257 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,760 Yeah, but I also think that it's the same problem that 258 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:38,440 The Simpsons fell into the same problem that South Park fell into is that the fiction or the reality became so much crazier 259 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:43,920 Than any fiction that they could have come up with that's fair and so they they can't find something to top it 260 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:49,880 So instead they have to just go along with it and put their own spin on what's actually happening 261 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,360 Yeah, and I mean like this episode boiler alert 262 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000 I don't know it's probably 263 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,280 Season five or not season five episode five 264 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,320 There's a whole plot to murder the president 265 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:10,280 They send someone to go kill the president and this was this was aired. I mean this was filmed what like last year probably sometime 266 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:16,600 This aired two days after they shot at Trump really yeah, they had to have a disclaimer 267 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Saying we don't support 268 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:25,280 Any violence of any kind and then they go into an episode about trying to assassinate the president 269 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,320 And so I mean like even a year ago 270 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:35,360 It was completely reasonable to think that maybe this guy's gonna get this had blown off on live television 271 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,640 Man, I just want to be in precedent at times again. Yeah 272 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,360 It's all I want for Christmas this year. Yeah, I mean I I always say that 273 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,120 You can always be overwhelmed or underwhelmed. You're never overwhelmed 274 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,920 You're really quoting ten things. I hate about you right now. Is that ten? 275 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,560 I've never seen it's a fantastic movie with your boy Heath Ledger 276 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,840 RIP, but no, I didn't know does he say that line? It's not him. Oh 277 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,440 I think um, that's what Julie Styles 278 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,520 Yes, I was thinking of 279 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,760 Alicia Silverstone 280 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,400 Clueless. Yes. All right. Yeah, not that one 281 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:22,280 Where she dates her stepbrother simpler times man simpler times. I guess weirder times 282 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,880 Anyway, Louie CK got on such a tangent Louie CK 283 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,760 But I just wanted to point out that my 284 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:35,600 our boys tangent and also my house of the dragon was 285 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,360 That I miss appointment television 286 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,280 And that I made it a point to have those have Sunday nights at 9 o'clock 287 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,840 Open so I could watch the show and nothing we could spoiled and then the same thing on 288 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,160 Thursdays, yeah when the boys came out I 289 00:22:53,560 --> 00:23:00,040 Just stay off the internet for certain times like once the the season of something drops if I know I'm not gonna have the time to binge it 290 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,560 Yeah 291 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,560 but we have like 292 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:09,520 Monday nights are John Oliver because has come out on Sunday at 11 ish 293 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,360 I have a couple other ones that were out pretty recently. I'm waiting for Abbott elementary to come back 294 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,840 it's got the 295 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:24,820 Kid from everybody hates Chris and he's all grown up. His voice is very very deep. He didn't slept all the time 296 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:31,600 He isn't making GI Jane jokes pretty disappointing not yet. I'll get there someday 297 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:39,680 But I also have some hot takes on John Oliver, so I'll let you with your Louie CK as a part of this conversation 298 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:46,320 Yeah, yeah, and you want me just go now 299 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,960 Lucy K did terrible things and 300 00:23:51,680 --> 00:24:00,160 Built a kind of platform of him like of his own where he has his own website and sells his own tickets for all of his shows 301 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,160 and so he's kind of built a 302 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,080 Brand new thing out of the ashes of his old career 303 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:13,680 Technically better for him, but I don't know that his career will ever be back to the 304 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,080 The level that it used to be because of the bad thing that he did 305 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,520 I think that his comedy is always going to be painted with that brush of 306 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,680 Yeah, he's funny, but yeah, and I think that 307 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,080 He 308 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:38,800 What what you're known for is also a big part of of whether you can weather a 309 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,560 Controversy or not because I'd say that had been Jeff Fox worthy 310 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,960 Then he would not be coming back. Yeah 311 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:54,320 But since he has always had these jokes that push the envelope then it makes sense that okay 312 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,480 Well, yeah, I mean this is probably something he's joked about before and he was just 313 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,960 Getting his inspiration from real life 314 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:07,480 But no what I was gonna say about John Oliver is that few episodes I've watched and I tried to catch like the big segment 315 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,760 Yeah every week, but 316 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,920 What bothers me is that he started out on 317 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,440 On Comedy Central on the Daily Show and use a fake pundit and 318 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,640 Same thing with Stephen Colbert a fake pundit 319 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,360 Like they were telling you real stories and they were putting a jokie spin on it 320 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:32,080 But at the end of the day like it was a real story and they were just saying hey 321 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,080 this is a thing that is happening yeah, and 322 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,520 Maybe look at it from this perspective, but now it's just hey don't vote for Trump 323 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:45,360 Don't vote for Trump don't vote for Trump and this this goes back to all this stuff with your like 324 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,400 Why do you think that you are so much smarter than everybody in the room? 325 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,720 I think that's kind of a different conversation though because John Oliver's entire platform has always been political 326 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,200 I 327 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,200 think that he's always had the same 328 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,480 brand of message and 329 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,720 Now that we're in an election year where 330 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:11,040 Everything is just banana pancakes that it makes sense to have those conversations 331 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:19,920 Vote for whoever you want to vote for he is drilling the anti-trump stuff pretty hard and the anti-RFK 332 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:29,280 Anyway, Cosby Cosby is one of the most interesting things as far as art versus the artist because as soon as 333 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:35,880 All of this stuff started coming out about him, but she's a monster just kind of objectively terrible terrible person 334 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:43,000 But it's really interesting to me that as soon as all of that stuff came out that they started pulling all of his stuff off of streaming 335 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,160 So there's no more Cosby show you can't find his stand-up specials 336 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,860 I don't think they print his books anymore, and it's the most complete cancellation. I think that I've seen 337 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,400 I think Jello went through a pretty heavy lull 338 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,800 after after all of that came out, but it's 339 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,160 interesting to me that 340 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,200 whenever the cause is so just and 341 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,240 It's a little bit different because his name was on the work 342 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:14,120 He assaulted people that were in the show. Yeah, that like I'm sure those people don't want to relive that time 343 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:19,360 Like it's it seems like the right move to not endorse any of that stuff anymore 344 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:23,300 But I think that's one of those things that you just kind of can't it's one of those 345 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,600 Situations where you can't separate the art from the artist. Yeah, because what about the people who were depending on those residuals? 346 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,400 From those shows should they be punished because of what he did? 347 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,400 that was actually one of the things that I wanted to bring up a little bit later with the 348 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,800 Difference kind of between 349 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:45,040 Artists who make art that's kind of solely under their name. So like our Kelly's music Michael Jackson's music 350 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,800 There were probably other people that wrote for it produced for it 351 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,640 Whatever, but it's really just them at the end of the day 352 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,160 Yeah, whereas like baby driver house of cards things that spacey's a really big part of 353 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:03,440 But nowhere near the only person who affect the production because it's harder to say we canceled Kevin Spacey 354 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,160 So we can't watch American Beauty anymore when there's so many other people in that move 355 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,880 I think that movie was a lot of red flags though. God that movie is awful. It wasn't Oscar 356 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,440 But it was a different and much worse time 357 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:24,980 What I think is pretty substantial in the talks about the art versus the artist is that whenever 358 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,680 Whenever all this stuff the spacey stuff went down. He was had a movie that was finished 359 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,240 Color of money all the money in the world all the money in the world 360 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Yeah, and so they were able to just edit him out and put a new guy and then just do have the whole movie 361 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,440 I haven't seen it. So I don't I mean I would assume that it's it's watchable and it makes sense 362 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,320 It doesn't but wasn't great, but I don't think it was great to begin with 363 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:58,000 Yeah, I mean so so that is where we are now and so there's gonna be a point in time where as soon as someone does something 364 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,280 It's 365 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:05,360 That you're immediately gone. There's not gonna be any there's not gonna be any hangover any 366 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,480 Anything well at least I can depend on this one last this one last 367 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:17,760 Paycheck to come through. Yeah, so that's another thing. That's where AI AI starts getting into the mix and 368 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,240 People are already so trigger happy with 369 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:30,160 Canceling people digging up stuff that you've done said whatever no matter how innocuous it is 370 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:37,160 If it doesn't match with today's climate then you're out, but then you also with AI 371 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,240 You're also gonna have the ability for the AI to do the work for you 372 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,720 So if all the money in the world were to be made 10 years from now because we've already 373 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:54,520 We haven't mastered the technology of the de-aging and the deep fakes, but we're getting pretty close and they're going to try to like 374 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,880 Put out movies with James Dean Marilyn Monroe since they're about to go into the public domain 375 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,540 So which is crazy that a person can go into the public domain. Absolutely insane 376 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,680 But could you theoretically make all the money in the world? 377 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,400 Kevin Spacey comes out or it comes out about Kevin Spacey that he did terrible things 378 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:19,840 Would you be able to replace him with an AI version of Kevin Spacey and then just pay him for likeness rights instead of being a star in the actual 379 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:25,160 Movie, but then at that point why wouldn't you just pay him to be in the movie because it still makes a point to 380 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,080 Basically just cut his paycheck down 381 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,520 I mean that's basically all that any of this is all that a lot of this is anyway 382 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,960 Is if you take away a little bit of their source of income then 383 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:40,760 It's the only really only real consequences that you can have in Hollywood. Yeah, I mean, it's just like Robin Williams 384 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,200 I was reading a story about two weeks ago about how 385 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,080 he ended up 386 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,160 getting the part of Jeannie and 387 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,240 Aladdin and 388 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,360 He had done patch Adams. He had done good morning Vietnam 389 00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:01,560 And then he had a relapse and so he was untouchable back then. I mean that was early 90s 390 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,560 so if you had any kind of substance abuse problems no one wanted to touch you and 391 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,160 Disney comes in and says hey, can you do this for us and 392 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:19,080 He did it for pennies compared to what he would have made if he'd done it at his peak 393 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,400 Mm-hmm, and then that resurrected his career and then he started started 394 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,720 bouncing back, but he had a joke that 395 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:35,560 Disney would just wait outside the Betty Ford clinic and that's where they would get the talent for their movies and it's not just 396 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,160 Not just their movie or their cartoons 397 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,720 It's also their movies because they also had Buena Vista that was like the adult the more adult stuff 398 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,280 Yeah, that they would also get people they would get them at their lowest point when they were their cheapest 399 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,840 Mm-hmm, and then use them for their name and then that was it 400 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,760 And then if they had a bounce back from that great if not then move on to the next person 401 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,600 Yeah, I mean they did the same thing with Robert Downey Jr. and Tim Allen didn't they I 402 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:06,760 Don't know if they produced home improvement, which was his big and bounce back into stardom. Yeah, he 403 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,480 He was definitely produced right off. He was a producer in the beginning 404 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,000 but he had a 405 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,640 Tim the tool man like the grunting fixed it man that was completely inept that was part of a comedy 406 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,600 You know he had that he was doing. Oh, yes. That was part of stand-up. He was doing stand-up. Oh 407 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:30,320 I didn't know it. I just know about the that he was kind of on the outs and had the the cocaine charges and then 408 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,040 Sick ass mustache and Kalamazoo incredible 409 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:40,240 Man, all right. Okay. I took a little bit of a different approach to this 410 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,600 I've got Michael Jackson's life from getting the crap knocked out of them by 411 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,360 Joe Jackson 412 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,080 All the way to 413 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,480 Finding Neverland leaving Neverland 414 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,040 Finding Neverland neverland neverland 415 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:05,120 Okay, so tell me when I give you a little factoid that you haven't you didn't know, okay 416 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:11,680 You know when Michael Jackson joined the family band to form the Jackson five wasn't he five? 417 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,680 It was six five or six. Yeah 418 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:22,880 Joe would emotionally abuse him physically abuse him told him that he one time he had the big fat nose and would tell him about 419 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,960 How ugly he was and this was a five-year-old he took the lead of the Jackson five a year in 420 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,680 Six or seven six or seven 421 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:38,480 He was the lead singer of the Jackson five by the time he was seven years old. They were doing shows and 422 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,680 clubs 423 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,560 bars 424 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,560 cabrae's 425 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,840 Places that would have like strip teases as a seven-year-old 426 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,920 Wow 427 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:55,440 1970 I want you back the first song to reach number one by Jackson five and then 428 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,240 after that 429 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,240 It was followed by abc and I'll be there 430 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,800 so like three 431 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,240 substantial hits 432 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,640 All in one year and so from there 433 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,600 he goes to new york 434 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,440 to film 435 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,000 The whiz in 1977. Have you ever seen the whiz? 436 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,520 I've never seen it. I haven't either the only thing I know about it is that it was produced by Quincy jones 437 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,080 and that 438 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,920 Is in it 439 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,080 Yeah, that's that's the only thing I know. Yeah 440 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:32,320 Uh, and that it's just it's like black you love but for the wizard of us. Okay, so 441 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,440 1978 so we said 1964 442 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,320 That Jackson was five or six years old. So this is 14 years later 443 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,200 Gets his first rhinoplasty 444 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,840 First of from everything I read three or four 445 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,400 Okay 446 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,480 1979 off the wall 447 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,600 With singles don't stop till you get enough and rock with you 448 00:34:56,240 --> 00:35:00,160 Comes out. Mm-hmm. And so he he is making his way 449 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,600 Skyward right 450 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,920 The big big big one hasn't come out yet, but he's still on a steady path forward 451 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:14,400 Uh 1982 is when the I'm pretty sure it's the number one selling album balltime came out 452 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,680 Bad thriller 453 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,680 Is bad number one? 454 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,320 No, I don't know. No bad was 455 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,200 That was in 1987 456 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,840 Yeah 457 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,840 1982 thriller sold 458 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,680 70 million copies, I'm assuming that's what this number means 459 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,920 Yeah 460 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,920 Yeah, so 70 plus million copies 461 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,960 So that's that's when he shot up in the stratosphere and he was 462 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,480 Get away with anything. Yeah pretty much and uh boy did he take full advantage of that 463 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,800 So thriller was released 464 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,640 1982 465 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,640 The debut of the moonwalk 466 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960 And the single rhinestone glove 467 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,440 Was 1983 468 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,480 Okay 469 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,480 1984 470 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,120 Uh was the pepsi incident 471 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,400 Okay 472 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,800 Where he was shooting commercial for pepsi he caught on the pyrotechnics his hair caught and it burned his scalp 473 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,080 and it gave him third degree burns on a scalp and 474 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,720 He had his third rhinoplasty so somewhere between 475 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,120 1978 476 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,080 and 477 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,080 1983 478 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,520 That five-year gap he had three rhinoplasty 479 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,120 Oh, okay 480 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,800 Pepsi commercial um, then he gets the champ named bubbles 481 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,920 And that's when people 482 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 started to take note 483 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,320 uh, they noticed that 484 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,400 You never 485 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,160 Saw him really with a woman. Uh, they noticed that he 486 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,040 didn't seem to have any interest in 487 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,600 things for adults and 488 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:59,360 Uh, just he just really seemed like he was going crazy with his money because he 489 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,760 He got his champ named bubbles and then he tried to buy the elephant man's bones from 490 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,800 uh hospital in london 491 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,680 And he threw a word 492 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,840 ridiculous number at them 493 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,800 And they said hey, it's not for sale, which really I don't 494 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,200 Should they be 495 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,440 Owned by anyone. Yeah, no that 496 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:27,280 Because I don't I don't think that he I mean he might have I don't know he had a doctor 497 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,680 Um towards the end of his life. He had a doctor that was taking care of him. You know how he died 498 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:38,000 No, uh, he had to sleep upright because as you know, like calcified right that was so heavy. Yeah, um, 499 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,680 His head fell forward and he suffocated in his sleep lord 500 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,520 So tried to buy the elephant man's bones 1987 501 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,640 that was released 502 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,640 and then 1988 503 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,000 came 504 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,680 Neverland with a carousel the ferris wheel 505 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:59,120 A train with a depot that circled the entire property 506 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,520 A movie theater and a zoo 507 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,080 all all this on one property owned by one man that 508 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,080 Uh 509 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,000 Really never had a childhood there. I mean there's been stories of 510 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,960 all the things that he did all the special things they had to set up like 511 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,560 Uh having to empty out a grocery store just so he could go grocery shopping and feel like a normal person 512 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,000 Which I mean that's gotta suck like you know grocery shopping sucks 513 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:32,000 But if I'd never done it before and I saw all these people doing it as just a regular part of a regular life 514 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,600 Right, then I would probably want that too and anyways 515 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,480 There was there were signs 516 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,640 leading up to 517 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:46,640 What ended up coming out what ended up being alleged because a lot of this stuff ended up being alleged 518 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,320 There's the proof 519 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,000 was either 520 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,400 Based on a child's testimony, which I mean those are hit or miss they're 521 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,280 They're impressionable. They're they can misremember things and the 522 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,680 The human human memory is is prone to getting all bungled anyways. Yeah, so 523 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:12,640 That was that was one thing. There was no physical proof until there was physical proof and then just 524 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,600 All kinds of stuff. I didn't know there was physical proof 525 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:23,280 Well, I got it here. So the first sexual abuse scandal alleged allegation came out 1993 526 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,800 And then that was followed by Latoya Jackson 527 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,560 Um, just outright saying yeah, michael's pedophile 528 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,680 Really? I didn't know that and then walking it back and saying that the only reason she said that was because she had an 529 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,480 Abusive husband that made her say that which I I don't know to what end 530 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,360 Yeah, what would that be for it would seem like you would want michael as 531 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,520 profitable as possible if you're just a hanger on which I mean you could 532 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:53,280 really 533 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,440 consider Tito and the gang hangers on like yeah, they started with him, but 534 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,200 Uh, they didn't have what he had and he the only one that really did anything else was Janet. Yeah 535 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,680 and then 536 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,200 Art versus the artist showed her boob at the Super Bowl boom done 537 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,880 On careers over yet Justin Timberlake still gets a 538 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,400 Telling Brittany to get abortions and 539 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,120 It's ruining the tour 540 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,720 Crying rivers 541 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,680 Wanting rivers cried over him 542 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,360 Okay, so 1993 sexual abuse allegations Latoya saves a pedophile 543 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,920 she retracted 544 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,080 now 545 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,800 This is where you run into a lose lose situation 546 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,600 So someone makes an allegation against you 547 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,240 Say you've got hundreds of millions of dollars in your bank and they know that 548 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,200 Someone makes an allegation against you 549 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,760 There's no proof 550 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,760 They're just saying hey 551 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,760 He did this thing 552 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,880 There's no criminal cases opened. It's all civil 553 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:08,560 Do you think that someone do would you if do you feel like if you paid someone off? 554 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,000 If you settled out of court for X amount of dollars 555 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,720 That would make you look guilty 556 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:16,720 Or do you think that you? 557 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,520 Paying that amount of money is enough to just is just to not deal with the headache 558 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,120 Get it over with not have to deal with it and then move on with your life 559 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:30,080 I think that if you are paying your way out of a suit of that nature 560 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,080 That you are trying to get the problem to go away because they don't think that a situation like that is 561 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,640 So easily solved with money 562 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,720 What if you are paying it? 563 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,960 uh 564 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,480 In case 565 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,200 Something else comes out like say you didn't do anything that you're being alleged of here 566 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,040 But then people start digging into your stuff and then they're going to find all this other stuff 567 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,440 I mean if that were the case then I feel like it would make more sense to fight it 568 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000 yeah, because if you were able to 569 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,120 Be a baseless claim then whenever people with 570 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,240 valid reasons to come out against you 571 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,600 They're gonna see that you succeeded and 572 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:20,080 Maybe have a little bit more pause. What do you think is the general consensus among celebrities or just rich people in general? 573 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,960 When something like that happens throw money at it and hope that that's the end of it 574 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,520 I'm sure there's a lot of situations with most celebrities that have that kind of money 575 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,000 But it's easier to just throw money at a thing 576 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,440 So knowing Michael Jackson's net worth at the time and remember this was uh 577 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,320 Just six years after bad came out 578 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,720 How much what do you think is the minimum amount that should be paid just to make it go away? 579 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:51,600 Like there's they don't have enough for it, but you just don't want the headache of a trial 580 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,360 All this other stuff you just pay it and move on with your life. What do you think the minimum? 581 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,040 Is for that? 582 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,040 Oh, I don't know that I have a 583 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,800 Good number for that if are we talking about like what they're asking for in the settlement 584 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:09,040 Or what he's just offering them is like a just a reasonable number that they would be happy with you're not gonna miss 585 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,240 It just wipes all this away and all that's left are just the tabloid stories 586 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:20,480 I'm gonna say based on what was probably his net worth that a million would be a way to settle any 587 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,240 Any scandal? Yeah a million in 1993 588 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,600 Yeah 589 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,480 Well, he sailed for 23 million out of court in 1993. Wow. All right 590 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:40,880 That's uh, not the look of an innocent man and before they went before they made this settlement. They did go to court 591 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,320 um the child testified and 592 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,920 described 593 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,920 Michael Jackson's genitals to the jury 594 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,320 Oh 595 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,320 And the jury 596 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,560 I don't know if it was pictures. I don't know if they just said hey, Michael come in and drop them 597 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,480 They compared it to his genitals and they said they couldn't be without it. They couldn't 598 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:12,240 positively match them without a shadow of a doubt. Okay. Yeah, but then after that they settled for 23 million 599 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,840 And then whenever all that was happening before they settled the police came in 600 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,480 And rated the property rated Neverland. What kind of wholesome things do you think they would find? 601 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,880 The only thing that I remember 602 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,560 Because I did watch leaving Neverland back when it came out 603 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,200 Which is at this point. I think five years ago 604 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,480 Yes, whenever I watched that I remember them going into the 605 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,480 Like hidden rooms and stuff that he had which in Neverland Ranch, which is not a good look. That's not 606 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:46,080 It's you're a single guy. I'm immediately incriminating everyone. Thanks. You're weird as hell 607 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,720 because again 608 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,520 You're dealing with never being able to grow up 609 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,560 Never having the childhood to make those mistakes 610 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,680 Being five years old and immediately thrown in the spotlight and never being able to leave it, right? So 611 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,560 That aspect it makes sense, but you're not helping yourself out by having 612 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,160 A room behind a bookcase that you go to with this little boy 613 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,360 And doing interviews saying that there's nothing wrong with a ground man and a 12 year old sharing a bed 614 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,840 The best thing you can do for another person is share your bed 615 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,240 That's terrible. Look too. Yeah. No, please found 616 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,000 Please found 617 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,280 books 618 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,520 Large print books so like for old people old pedophiles. I don't know 619 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,800 of then had pictures of 620 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,600 boys doing activities 621 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,080 Like sports and stuff. Yeah, just 622 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,320 mundane activities 623 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,320 in different levels of undress 624 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:54,240 And then he claimed that someone must have sent it to him. He'd never seen it. He never opened it and that was that 625 00:45:54,240 --> 00:46:02,160 Yeah, the documentary where he said there's nothing wrong with having sleepovers with minors. Yeah, the documentary 626 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,880 They came out that said there's nothing wrong with sleeping with minors 627 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,240 And then later claiming that he was misunderstood 628 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,200 Came from the documentary living with michael jackson 2003 629 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:20,000 This is 10 years after the previous allegations 630 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:27,200 Uh seven counts of molestation and two counts of intoxicating a minor the case finally went to court in 2005 631 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,200 So two years later and he was acquitted of all charges 632 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:37,440 He died in 2009 and then leaving neverland came out in 2019 which as I said before had his own controversies and 633 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:45,920 The problem you run into with with this kind of stuff is that there are people on both sides that 634 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:53,280 Stand to gain or stand to lose a lot if if the story is just tweaked one way or the other 635 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,960 And so you have you have the jackson side who want to make sure that like he's dead. So there's 636 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,680 anything past 637 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,360 Anything that came out post 2009 was stuff that had been 638 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,240 sitting on a shelf somewhere 639 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,000 Beeside that never got used it was just tracks that were on the cutting room floor 640 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:18,240 So they have to protect what is there as much as possible to squeeze as much money out of it as they can 641 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,040 Yeah, and so they're going to come out and say hey all that's bullshit about michael 642 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:30,400 None of that's true, but you can't look at all this stuff look at all the weird shit that he did throughout his 643 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,360 lifetime and say that 644 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,000 Where there's smoke a lot of smoke there's that there's no fire, right? 645 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,040 It's weird specifically in the the context of michael jackson because 646 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:50,000 We don't know what psychological damage happened to him that it's weird to think about in the context of michael jackson 647 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:55,120 Specifically because we don't know what things happen to him. It's not an excuse for anything 648 00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,720 Bad that he did at all, but it's the narrative around it 649 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,760 is so gross 650 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,520 If he did a bad thing many bad things and he lost his career lost 651 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,040 Residuals lost something because of it then I think that's valid 652 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,560 But coming back 10 years after his death to do a documentary called 653 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,920 Leaving Neverland where it's it's just trauma porn 654 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,400 Yeah, it's it's a different kind of disgusting 655 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,240 It was like they come back after X amount of years and we'll see these 656 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:38,880 Unseen photos of this or see this unseen part of this or whatever or hidden away for 15 years 657 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,920 It's finally being revealed. Yeah that kind of shit. That's 658 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:48,000 And that was that was I say I would say that's probably the biggest controversy that came from Leaving Neverland 659 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:55,600 That was the biggest problem that people had is why after 10 years and especially since this stuff happened in the 90s 660 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,600 right so 661 00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,120 if 662 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,120 if it had happened 663 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:06,880 Like if they've been in the process of making it and then Michael Jackson dies, then they shelled it for a little bit 664 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,120 That's one thing right 665 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:14,800 but to to release this thing that is going to slam him so hard his 666 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,400 His life his entire legacy is going to be put to the stake 667 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:28,560 And then he's not around to defend himself. I just think that's it's disgusting bullshit. Yeah, and it's just it's a way that you can profit off 668 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,520 your trauma or profit off 669 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,360 Having people convinced that this thing is true. Yeah 670 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,600 And yeah, so I mean I I had a huge problem with it. I think that 671 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,120 A lot of it went into 672 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,520 territories that were unnecessary 673 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,400 and 674 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,680 Like I get that these guys maybe they need closure 675 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,760 Maybe they need they need to get their story out. I completely get that 676 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:05,520 But in a three-part series on HBO, I don't think that's the way to go especially after the dude's dead 677 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,160 I had that same 678 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,720 issue with quiet onset that it it just felt like the conversation was 679 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:20,720 Can you believe this thing happened while this show was going on? It was clickbait surrounding something awful. Yeah a lot of awful things 680 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,120 like I 681 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,040 if 682 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,760 Quiet onset specifically if that was the way that drake bell needed to get that story out have that conversation 683 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,040 Heal from it then by all means. Yeah 684 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,080 But I don't think that that was 685 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,280 Well intentioned 686 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,480 I don't think that any part of that was done for the right reasons 687 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,400 And I think that leaving neverland was the same thing 688 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,640 I think the biggest giveaway was at the end of the first episode 689 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,560 Or the end of the second episode because I think it was three right three parts four 690 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,960 Or quiet onset or four. Yeah. Anyways end of one of them 691 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:03,360 It's like oh and this story is coming up in the next episode and someone sits in a director's chair 692 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:09,040 And they're completely blacked out. Yeah, and you can't see anything and oh come back for the next episode to see who this is 693 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,640 Oh, it was drake bell. He got raped by this dude that was on set with him like 694 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,080 That felt super for gross super 695 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:25,440 Exploitative. Yeah, which so many of the people that were on either on it or were asked to be on it for quiet onset 696 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,320 Like they came out again at the end and we're like, this is not 697 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:35,120 This is not what we signed up for. Yeah, or this is not what they told us like mark summer. Yeah summers summers summers 698 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,800 And like I think that it's 699 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,680 It's kind of the same thread that we've been talking about that we are so 700 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,520 So involved in our artists personal lives 701 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,600 Terrible thing that you do is a terrible thing that you do. I'm not 702 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:56,080 Justifying I'm not suggesting that we sleep it under the rug, but I think that it's 703 00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:59,760 So much more damaging to have that be a part of the conversation 704 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,080 I think it's just it's damaging to have that be a part of the conversation. Yes, that's a full stop 705 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,360 That like you can be held accountable for the things 706 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:13,280 But it's a a fine line that we do not walk well between holding people accountable for the things that they do and just 707 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,360 Wanting to be a part of the gossip 708 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,120 Yeah 709 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,120 yeah, and 710 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,720 What is the 711 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:25,840 What what is the penance who decides that is it the victim that should be able to decide whether 712 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:31,600 Someone is allowed to have a career again. Is it the public? I mean, it's it's obviously not the public because 713 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,320 No matter what happens people are still going to go. Is there going to be a drop? Yeah. Yeah, sure 714 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,280 A little one, but for the most part humans are creatures of habit 715 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,280 So if 716 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,840 They're in the habit of doing this thing 717 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,280 But then they stop because of this person doing this thing. They're going to forget about that relatively quickly 718 00:52:52,000 --> 00:53:00,240 So those rules don't translate to everybody to every transgression and I get that I I do understand that not everything should be treated equally 719 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,360 But I feel like personally with the details that I know which 720 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,840 I mean some of them I've looked into some of them. I just know face value 721 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,840 Um 722 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:19,440 I feel like the punishment is a little excessive to completely lose your livelihood for for this mistake 723 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,680 I think it's 724 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,640 A little insufficient to call some of these things a mistake. Yeah, I think in some cases 725 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,280 The position that you were in 726 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:35,040 You would only have access to the the crime that you're doing because of the status that you have 727 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,520 That's fair. Yeah, and so it's 728 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,520 You can't say 729 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,080 Matt Lauer 730 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:47,760 You can't say that Matt Lauer saying was a mistake. He had a button installed in his office 731 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,120 Lock the door. How do you explain that? Once you're at a certain level of prestige? 732 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,480 It doesn't matter you're you don't have to give context for anything that you do 733 00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:00,720 That's so great. That's that's one thing I have. I've never understood about that story 734 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,720 Is someone had you know matt lauer is not in there with some wire nuts and a couple screwdrivers 735 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,400 flipping off breakers to no so someone came in 736 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,280 and whether they worked for 737 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:14,480 Uh 738 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:20,320 30 rock because I'm assuming that's where it's filmed. I think so. Yeah, whether they work for the the building 739 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:27,040 Or whether it's a contractor that came in. I think you should be able to say hey, um, what am I doing this for? 740 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:33,120 Yeah, like what what is what is this going to be used for and it's the same the same mindset that uh 741 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,080 H. H. Holmes got away with in Chicago 742 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:42,080 Yeah, he would hire a contractor. They would build up to a certain point 743 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:48,960 He'd say hey, you suck. You're fired bring in someone new and then they'd start something else not knowing that 744 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,720 Individually they're all making this murder castle. Right 745 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,280 and so I think that the reason that we 746 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:03,600 We get into a lot get into the weeds with who can be canceled and stay canceled and who 747 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,400 Deserves another shot the um 748 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,480 It just really seems it comes down to who is the most expendable? 749 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,040 Like if you're replaceable 750 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,200 then okay, bye, and then you never hear from him again and 751 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,320 Then like there was a 752 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,280 There was a culture shift 753 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,680 in television that 754 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,000 We need more women to 755 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,800 be a part of 756 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,960 Of broadcasts and to have these jobs that a majority of 757 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,840 males have filled and then 758 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,640 So Matt Lauer's thing happened 759 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,800 And then all of a sudden Savannah Guthrie gets bumped up 760 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,640 with uh 761 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,640 What's her face hoda? 762 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,440 Yeah, and so now they're doing the today show 763 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,400 and 764 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,120 Everything's fine, but that's because the climate allowed for 765 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,760 Two women to host this show 766 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:07,760 But if the climate wasn't there then Matt Lauer would have been suspended for six months and then brought back 767 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,640 Yeah, I think the the cancellation is 768 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,000 Or the length of cancellation 769 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:21,520 Largely depends on what industry you were cast out of the the context around like Louis CK was that 770 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,200 He was in an industry that thrives on cancellation 771 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,320 Yeah, they thrive on being the most offensive person in the room 772 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,800 And so you you don't get a pass you still 773 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,280 Sort of face consequences, but you're able to rebound 774 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,560 Aziz came back 775 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,960 Aziz's allegations from what I understand were kind of bullshit 776 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,960 Yeah, that's what I was gonna say it's 777 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,560 But regardless he faced consequences and made his his comeback 778 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:05,520 What is he he had a show after on Netflix didn't he master of none that one got cancelled because of the allegations 779 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,720 Oh 780 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:08,000 What was he done since then? 781 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,560 He did another standout special pretty recently 782 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,120 I haven't watched it because he's not 783 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,080 My kind of standout comedian. I don't like being shouted at he used to be that's neither here nor there, but 784 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,920 He used to be but yeah, I don't he's not 785 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,800 He used to really like his standup 786 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,080 I don't remember what the name of the actual thing was but the one where he's like standing with the giant stuffed bear 787 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,560 I liked that one and yeah, yeah 788 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,480 Yeah, I think it's it's dependent on the industry because spacey expendable cosby 789 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,680 Did a bad enough thing that 790 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,720 No matter what industry he was in he was expendable 791 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,720 Have you seen the 792 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,200 Matlauer or not Matlauer 793 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,280 um spacey interview 794 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,320 With pierce Morgan. Yeah, huh? Not yet 795 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,040 Good lord. I 796 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,840 On principle kind of refused to watch anything else that spacey does. Yeah 797 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,880 because the this 798 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,960 Immediate, I don't know if it was an interview or just like his statement after all of that backlash 799 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,960 Whenever things started coming to light was 800 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:23,760 All right, you got me. I'm gay like do you think that's remotely the problem that anyone is having right now? 801 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,840 Dude, it's you are super missing the point here 802 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,920 Like do you think that that makes up for anything? 803 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,000 That's a jail-free card. Yeah, because it used to be I mean, I don't know if it 804 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,200 It used to use used to 805 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:41,760 get you in 806 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:48,640 Hotter water. Yeah, but then I think there was a a bit of a shake up in like the early 2000s where 807 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,860 If you got in trouble you could say oh, but I'm gay 808 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,680 Yeah, yeah 809 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,600 But spacey has always had a creep factor to him 810 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:06,720 You don't get put in a role like he's an american beauty if you don't have something about you that is just 811 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:14,560 Unsettling or John Doe and seven or John Doe and seven. Yeah, the signs were there. You ready to move on to 812 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:20,960 Robert Sylvester Kelly. I did not know that his name was Robert Sylvester Kelly, but let's go 813 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,000 much like Michael Jackson 814 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,560 I mean really we're going from 815 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,280 Michael Jackson was called the king of pop our Kelly was called the king of r&b. Yeah 816 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,200 and 817 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,200 Did you also know 818 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,360 That he went by the pipe piper that was a stage name of his 819 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:45,520 Or Kelly on brand disgusting with a z at the end. It's Kelly with the z at the end 820 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,360 It's like uh, callous 821 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,680 The milkshake's on girl 822 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,400 Callous yeah, thank 823 00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,600 um, okay, so also 824 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,680 Very messed up childhood 825 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,680 Uh, he had a friend when he was eight 826 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,400 They were playing by a creek 827 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,720 The friend fell in 828 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,720 got swept up 829 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,320 and drowned 830 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,800 When he was eight years old was like one of his best friends 831 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,800 Um, he was 832 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,120 sexually assaulted 833 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,760 by a female member of the family. It's never really been confirmed, but 834 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,640 most people think it's 835 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,400 his older sister 836 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,280 That would babysit him. Okay from eight to 14 837 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,440 out 838 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,440 So six full years 839 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,320 He dropped out of school after his freshman year 840 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,480 In 1991 he had his first solo album 841 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,520 1993 842 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:56,560 Bump and grind dropped, you know bump and grind I do spent 12 weeks at number one on the r&b billboard charts 843 01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,520 expressive 844 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,560 1994 married, you know who aliyah's? 845 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,280 married aliyah 846 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,360 when he was 27 and she was 847 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,760 15 848 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,000 The marriage was later annulled in 1995 849 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,960 1996 I believe I could fly 850 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,600 was released for space jam 851 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:25,120 And then that is the first time he was sued by a former partner. I'm sorry. Did you say that was released for space jam? 852 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:26,880 Yeah 853 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,040 It was recorded for space jam and then it was big. I mean, it's just like um 854 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,200 I know that wasn't the point of this but damn seal. Um kiss from arose 855 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:45,120 What was that for that man forever? What? Uh-huh kilmer carry. Huh? Yeah, it was like the 856 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,000 It was like the big song 857 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,600 I mean I 858 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,760 I was born after those movies came out. So 859 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:58,480 I've only ever heard them in that their own context. I didn't know those were from like written for movies 860 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:05,040 Yeah, um, I believe I can fly and kiss from arose on the grave or like my heart will go on 861 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,440 early 90s 862 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,600 comedies and action films so 863 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,720 1996 sued for 864 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:20,720 Emotional distress from a relationship that he had for three years 865 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,360 Um, she claimed stuff like pretty much what everyone else claims later on 866 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,000 Uh, he's trying to control what she eats where she goes who she's talking to 867 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:37,040 Uh, all the stuff. So that was in 96. He was already starting to show signs of being a little uh 868 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,000 Overbearing to say the least right 2001 an intern sued him 869 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,960 uh, coercing her into 870 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:50,560 An indecent sexual relationship is how they phrase it. She was 17 at the time 2002 871 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,520 Uh sued by a woman 872 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,120 He allegedly impregnated and forced to have an abortion and then right after that one 873 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:09,440 Uh, he was sued by a woman who accused him of making a secret sex tape of their encounter and distributed it through bootleggers 874 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,000 under the name 875 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,480 Under the title r kelly triple x 876 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,640 No, just just no effort whatsoever 877 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:27,920 Uh, both those cases were settled out of court. So again, we come back to I don't have figures on these 878 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,640 but we come back to 879 01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,000 Does it make you look guilty? Which I mean that's 880 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,560 I mean he's been 881 01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,200 Tried and found guilty. So I don't feel 882 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,200 Like I'm really like you have to speculate on it. Yeah 883 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:52,480 But before he had any legal trouble. He's already paying these women off. And so do you think at the time 2002 884 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,400 uh, do you think that um 885 01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,960 Do you think that people felt that made him look guiltier or guilty? 886 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:06,640 Yeah, I mean, it's it always kind of feels like an admission of guilt if you are 887 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:11,200 Settling instead of fighting something. Mm-hmm. Even if you have the money to just 888 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,920 Not have to worry about it. Yeah 889 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:23,840 2002 was a very busy year for Robert. Uh, that's when the p-tape came out. I was also 15, wasn't she? I think so that sounds right 890 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,920 Super young of a problematic age 891 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,640 Yes 892 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,240 I don't know if they've ever released her name 893 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:38,000 If she was a minor at the time then I would imagine they didn't 894 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,840 That case took six years to go to court 895 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,000 Or go to trial 896 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,640 And he was found not guilty on all counts because they couldn't prove that the woman 897 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,280 In the video was a minor 898 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,280 Even if they could identify the girl 899 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,800 Yeah, I said they couldn't prove it without a shadow of a doubt that that girl was a minor 900 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:04,000 So he was just acquitted of all charges. So they just waited until she was of age and said 901 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,640 Hey, maybe this was taken just now 902 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:13,920 I guess I mean it's yeah took six years to go through the system for him to get in front of a jury 903 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,640 my god 904 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,200 2002 2004 905 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:21,840 um 906 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,840 police found a camera 907 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,560 that had 908 01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,960 Lots and lots of pictures of him 909 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:37,600 With underage girls some with just underage girls some with underage girls together with other underage girls and those were taken to 910 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,240 the police 911 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:46,000 He was put in front of a judge again and the judge said all that was inadmissible because they didn't have the proper 912 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,400 reasoning to 913 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,280 Execute a search warrant. So even though they've seen these pictures 914 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,320 They're now inadmissible and they can't charge them with anything 915 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,320 Okay, and then 916 01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,360 2005 917 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,360 Sylvester 918 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,360 Twan 919 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,000 Midgeots 920 01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,360 Trapped in the closet 921 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,560 Did you know that that came out over a seven-year span? 922 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,520 I did from 2005 to 2012 is an 923 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,200 Insane anthology 924 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,720 It is and apparently there's a whole section that I've never heard 925 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,200 I was about to ask you if you'd listen to the whole thing. Have you heard the whole thing? No 926 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,120 God no 927 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,400 How long is that why you say like that? We used to listen to that all the time 928 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,240 That's not that's not a dig on that. It's the fact that it's the longest thing you could listen to 929 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,080 Uh, I looked it up and I looked it up earlier today 930 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,720 and it is 931 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:53,760 Oh, it's an hour and a half long. It's 91 minutes 932 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,040 Is that for all the parts that is 933 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:06,480 Is that all 33 chapters the big package? No, that's that's one and two 934 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,000 And then three is another 42 minutes 935 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,880 All right, so I'm not watching killers of the flowers flower moon worth of trapped in the closet 936 01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:22,160 But you don't want to know what happens 43 through or 23 through 33? 937 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,600 Nope, I don't remember what happened in 938 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,160 one through 23 or 22 939 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:33,600 This chapter begins with Sylvester and Gwendolyn watching tv and getting a mysterious phone call 940 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,200 The scene then shifts to Kathy and Rufus who decided to go 941 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,080 Shopping downtown 942 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,960 Kathy's phone rings and she exclaims it's those people again 943 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:52,320 Rufus tells her to hang up Bridget, Tuan and most of the rest of the cast also get a mysterious phone call offering money in exchange for an unknown service 944 01:07:54,480 --> 01:08:00,640 Yeah, I won't be listening to that what I will be listening to is our unproblematic king weird al's trapped in the drive-thru 945 01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,080 What about mad tv slash 946 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:12,720 Jordan feels trapped in the cupboard. Okay. I will listen to those all day every day. I can't believe there's no onions 947 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:22,400 Oh my god, I'm glad I'm back on a weird out kick recently 948 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:28,400 I guess all he had to do was drop a drop new music video the new polka. Yeah 949 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:34,160 So 2017 it's when the cult allegations come out and 950 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,160 At this point 951 01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,160 Nobody really cared about 952 01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:45,520 R. Kelly. He hadn't had anything. Um, he was mostly known for the p-tape 953 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,960 Uh, and that was like the big running joke when you talked about R. Kelly 954 01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:55,680 Um, trapped in the closet, which was described as a hip hopper 955 01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:57,360 which 956 01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,360 Incredible is excellent 957 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:07,440 Uh, did not help his case any just based on the sheer buffoonery of all of it. It's it's a classic and it needed to be made 958 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:09,680 but 959 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,680 it's 960 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,680 It's not to be taken seriously 961 01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,240 So sex cult comes out 962 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:24,160 Uh allegations come out and then people were going to twitter with hashtag mute r. Kelly 963 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,400 people were 964 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,400 picketing his concerts 965 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:29,920 and 966 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:34,400 He at the end of his shows would say the only 967 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:39,360 Person that can mute only god can mute me which I mean 968 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,640 Responding to mute r. Kelly. I guess that's a good. That's a good comeback. Oh, yeah 969 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:51,040 But then 2019 comes around and surviving r. Kelly comes out which 970 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,560 Doesn't seem like that was five years ago 971 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,360 No, it does not two weeks after surviving r. Kelly comes out his label drops him 972 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,200 all future concerts are canceled and a video surface of him having sex with 14 year old girl 973 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,880 and on another note have you seen 974 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,600 The interview that he did with gale king is that the one where he likes sobs? Yes completely bat shit 975 01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:19,280 and 976 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:23,040 Just loses his mind gets up stands behind his chair. He's yelling to gale king and 977 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:29,200 And she's just like Robert this like this is true like there is proof 978 01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,240 And he's like 979 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:35,520 Yeah 980 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:43,120 Rough watch, but I mean he got caught like red-handed. So it's I think he knew that it was pretty much over for him 981 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,400 Uh, 2019 he got some prostitution charges 982 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,360 Solisting the minor who asked him for an autograph 983 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,320 Uh, she was 17 years old at the time 984 01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:58,320 He offered to pay her 200 dollars to undress and dance naked in his hotel room with him 985 01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:05,040 And I mean it's just I didn't know about this until I was researching all this 2020. He was attacked by another inbain 986 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,600 In prison really? 987 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,600 And his he was awaiting trial 988 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:15,920 And his attorney tried to use it as a bargaining or not a bargaining chip but a reason for getting him 989 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,360 Out like commute his sentence somewhere else. Yeah 990 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:25,920 Uh, 2021 he had his trial. He's found guilty of nine counts of racketeering and sex trafficking 991 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,560 2020 one of the witnesses to his crimes. I was going to testify against him 992 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:37,760 Uh, all of a sudden had his car set on fire later on turned out that his manager did it and admitted to it and 993 01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,240 got prison time for it for uh, 994 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,480 coercing a 995 01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:43,520 witness 996 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,040 tampering with evidence 997 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:51,040 Yeah, uh, I think it was coercing threatening or bribing a witness 998 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,200 along with 999 01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,200 destruction of evidence 1000 01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:59,440 Um 2022 he was sentenced to 30 years 1001 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,640 Arkali not the manager 1002 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,120 I thought it was 20 1003 01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,120 He was I'm getting there 1004 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:08,720 um 1005 01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:13,440 2022 he was also found guilty of sexual abuse of a child in Chicago 1006 01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:18,560 On six out of 13 counts and for that he was sentenced to 20 years 1007 01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:25,920 19 of those would be served with the 30 years. So at the same time, okay, and then just one year 1008 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,200 After his third years is up 1009 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:35,120 Is when he would serve that 20 years and then after a year he'd be out, but he's not gonna 1010 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,240 He's not gonna make that though 31 more years. No 1011 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:46,240 And so this is another case of generational trauma that's just being passed down the line because of all the 1012 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,040 shit that he went through 1013 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:50,960 friendying 1014 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,680 Uh being molested for six years by a female family member again. We don't know who it was 1015 01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:58,000 but 1016 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,000 All that stuff and then he just had to 1017 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:02,480 shovel that trauma onto somebody else 1018 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:04,560 I mean 1019 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:11,040 Thinking of it in that context it feels dismissive that like Michael Jackson did the things that he did because he was 1020 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,520 mistreated as a child, which I don't 1021 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,160 I won't take away from 1022 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,880 the mistreatment that he experienced when he was younger 1023 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,160 but it feels 1024 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,440 dismissive of the experiences of all of these other people who were traumatized by 1025 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,560 Arkali or Michael Jackson 1026 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,880 to say that like well they had a 1027 01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:38,480 An incredibly traumatic childhood. So that's just what happens. Yeah, I'm not saying I'm not I'm not diminishing 1028 01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,200 what they've done like 1029 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,200 They have done some truly disgusting things they've 1030 01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:54,400 Their actions have and will have an effect on countless number the countless number of people 1031 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,040 for the rest of their lives 1032 01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,800 But the only thing I'm saying is that there's a through there's 1033 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:02,640 a 1034 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,640 common denominator 1035 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:06,400 Yeah 1036 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:10,400 Like I'm not I'm not saying that because of this thenness 1037 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,040 I'm saying that it's just 1038 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:20,880 Interesting that they all have this thing in common. Yeah, I mean it's not even I didn't really find too much about 1039 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,040 Woody Allen's 1040 01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:24,480 upbringing 1041 01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,080 because honestly 1042 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,440 I don't get Woody Allen. All I've known about him 1043 01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:32,720 is the fact that he married his adopted daughter 1044 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,440 and that 1045 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:38,000 the the writers for how I met your mother 1046 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,960 loved Annie Hall because 1047 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:46,000 Ted Mosby would talk about Annie Hall all the time. I don't remember any references to any hall 1048 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,440 They're they're plenty. I've never watched Annie Hall though. So it 1049 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,400 Just go over my head. He's the most nominations for best original screenplay 1050 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,400 He has four total Oscars 1051 01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,760 his 1052 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,760 relationship with Suni 1053 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:03,200 is 1054 01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:09,680 I don't know if he ever technically adopted her. I don't think he did she was adopted with Mia Farrow's 1055 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,320 ex-husband Andre Previn 1056 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:17,120 And then they split up and then Mia Farrow and Woody Allen got together 1057 01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,440 So I don't think that he ever 1058 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:24,480 claimed to be an adoptive parent of Suni, but the fact is that 1059 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:30,880 It's still disgusting on an age difference level if it's not disgusting on a relative level 1060 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,800 Yeah, she was she was eight when they adopted her which they're guessing because 1061 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,880 she was an orphan on the streets of Korea 1062 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,000 and was in a 1063 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,400 orphanage when she was adopted by Mia Farrow and Andre 1064 01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:53,200 Previn and whenever they came back came to the United States. She was eight and then a year later they split up 1065 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:55,680 and 1066 01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,680 so now she is 1067 01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,080 nine 1068 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,920 and 1069 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,960 Then not too long after is when she gets with 1070 01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,920 Woody Allen. That's when he comes into the picture 1071 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,760 I've seen a bunch of stuff where they tried to downplay it like oh well 1072 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:17,120 I never really had any kind of interactions with him and it was just this and that and this and that 1073 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:18,880 but 1074 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,880 I find that very hard to believe 1075 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:26,640 Yeah, and it kind of feels like the same problem is like if you're settling out of court as a sign of guilt 1076 01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:31,200 If you have to make those those kind of defenses like isn't there 1077 01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,880 Yeah, I feel like it means that there's something 1078 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,640 Shady happening. Yeah the whole 1079 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:45,920 The relationship between Woody Allen and Mia Farrow ended because of Sunni stuff 1080 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,280 She found nude pictures 1081 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,600 of Sunni 1082 01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,760 Allen's house 1083 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:58,720 She was 21 at the time. So there wasn't anything like illegal about that. It's just gross. Yeah 1084 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,480 Uh, so that happened 1992 they split up 1085 01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,360 and by the end of 1992 1086 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,360 uh 1087 01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:13,360 Sunni and Woody Allen are together ended up getting married in 1997 1088 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,360 And don't believe they have any children together 1089 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:20,160 Yeah 1090 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:28,160 Yeah, I don't don't think so. Yeah, this this is a this is something that threw me for a loop is that in 1992 after everything 1091 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,400 became public 1092 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,800 Woody Allen had to release 1093 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,160 had to do a 1094 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,160 release a statement 1095 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,000 saying that 1096 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,080 he was in love 1097 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,600 with Sunni 1098 01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:47,680 Which it seems like if it's an organic relationship, you wouldn't have to scream it to the heavens that 1099 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:54,480 You're in love. Are you calling out Tom Cruise right now? I mean, I'm just saying same. Also, it looks like they have two children 1100 01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:56,480 Okay 1101 01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:58,480 So yeah, all this stuff happened in 1992 1102 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,400 2014 1103 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:06,640 Woody Allen gets the Cecil B. DeMille award pretty much a lifetime achievement for movie making and 1104 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,160 So I don't I don't know is this one gross? 1105 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,880 Yes, does it make you feel 1106 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:19,120 icky? Yeah, but is it is it on the same level as all these other people we've talked about gross, but 1107 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,680 If it happened between consenting adults then 1108 01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:31,360 I think it's not 1109 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:39,600 I don't know where I stand on this one. Mm-hmm. That's difficult because he was there since she was like about 10 years old 1110 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,000 which feels 1111 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,480 Damning wait waited 11 years 1112 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:50,960 If you go into the context of waited 11 years, it's disgusting like it it's yeah, I don't know 1113 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,720 Yeah, it is a really gross situation and I don't think that it's 1114 01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,360 anywhere near the same plane as 1115 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,760 The other situations, but I would argue that it is still cancelable 1116 01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:08,000 One thing I will say is that they're still together after getting married in 1997. So if that 1117 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,360 That means anything. Well, yeah, he groomed her 1118 01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,400 Yeah, I mean if you've had 1119 01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,160 the 11 1120 01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,160 like formative years 1121 01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:19,200 to 1122 01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,640 Create the person that you want to be and the person that they become is 1123 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:28,240 Whatever you molded them to be 20 something years ago. Yeah, but don't you think it's that kind of person that would 1124 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,360 Get tired and want something new pretty 1125 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:33,680 quickly 1126 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,840 I mean, I don't I don't think so if you're so much of a narcissist that you built this person 1127 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,960 sort of in your image 1128 01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,840 Yeah, I definitely think that there's a consensus 1129 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,640 That she has no autonomy 1130 01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,640 Yeah, like she is solely 1131 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,520 the wife of Woody Allen 1132 01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,080 Created by Woody Allen for Woody Allen 1133 01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,640 Which I think is disgusting 1134 01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,520 And I think that that overshadows any 1135 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,280 technically not abhorrent things about the situation 1136 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:05,600 is that 1137 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,800 She I don't know too much about her 1138 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,120 So I won't speak to the person that she is or her identity 1139 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:19,680 But it's yeah, it just seems like she was created to be one thing and it was Woody Allen's wife 1140 01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,680 Yeah, if you're raised from age nine to 1141 01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,480 to 21 but so the 1142 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,480 The Academy of 1143 01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,600 motion picture arts whatever it's called 1144 01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:35,520 uh 1145 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:39,200 Obviously can overlook it and give him a lifetime achievement award 1146 01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:43,760 Do you think that's right because I mean really that's the ultimate 1147 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,800 separating the art from the artist 1148 01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,280 yes 1149 01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:50,960 I think 1150 01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,960 that in that case you can 1151 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,640 kind of separate the art from the artist because I don't believe that 1152 01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:59,440 the thing that he did 1153 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,760 was 1154 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,760 Whether or not it's disgusting is a separate thing. I think that it's not 1155 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:10,160 a thing that happened because of his position of power it was not 1156 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,640 It feels like a separate thing that his personal life did 1157 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,720 or he did whatever he did in his personal life versus what he did in his films 1158 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,880 I think that makes an important distinction 1159 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,040 Yeah 1160 01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:33,280 on the flip side of that something that was completely against their will and 1161 01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:37,760 charges were pursued and nothing really ever came of it Roman Planski 1162 01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,200 What do you know about Roman Planski? 1163 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,280 Very little outside of the context of Sharon T. 1164 01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,280 Yeah, they were married whenever 1165 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:47,360 she got murdered by the Manson family. It was pregnant with their kid 1166 01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,800 He was World War II survivor 1167 01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,800 Jewish guy in Poland 1168 01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:58,640 His mom went to Auschwitz for his dad went to a concentration camp but then ended up making it out 1169 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,920 He huddred around Poland for a little bit 1170 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,640 Then moved to France and then London and then came to 1171 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,520 the United States 1172 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,520 He was working on a film called the Fearless Vampire Killers 1173 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:18,880 Which is a vampire parody film as how it was described 1174 01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:24,560 Which is weird because I always heard whenever Roman Planski 1175 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:29,680 Yeah, he did this but he's just like the Rem de la Creme of 1176 01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:38,240 Directors and all this other stuff and to find out that he met Sharon Tate doing a 1177 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,840 Vampire parody movie is 1178 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,440 Yeah, that's that's surprising because what's kind of jarring 1179 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,000 My only knowledge of him as a director is Rosemary's baby in Chinatown 1180 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,600 Yeah, Rosemary's baby came out in 1968 1181 01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,640 Chinatown came out 1182 01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:01,520 In 1974 of course 1969 is when the Manson murders happened 1183 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,800 Chinatown received 11 nominations 1184 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:12,800 2002 the pianist which I remember dad renting and we watched it and I thought it was the most boring thing I've ever seen 1185 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:19,760 I don't I remember watching it. I think at some point and I don't remember too much from it and 1186 01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:23,840 It put a real bad taste to my mouth for Adrian Brody 1187 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,840 Until 1188 01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:28,480 King Kong came out and then he redeemed himself 1189 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,520 He was in King Kong. He's the main dude 1190 01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:36,400 Not not King Kong the the main thank you for clarifying the only 1191 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,240 Person I remember are you talking about the Nicole Kidman one? That's not Nicole Kidman 1192 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:45,520 Naomi Watts Naomi Watts one. Yes. The only person I remember from that is Jack Black 1193 01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:48,480 Because apparently I thought it was Nicole Kidman 1194 01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:55,600 Yeah, I don't remember her wrong on both counts not on Jack Black though. I'm never wrong on Jack Black. Anyway 1195 01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:03,200 uh 2002 the pianist 2018 expelled from the academy with 1196 01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,000 They voted on it at the same day and he said 2018 1197 01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,800 Weinstein Bill Cosby Cosby. Oh Weinstein came later gross 1198 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:20,400 So total there have been five people that have been expelled from the academy Cosby which obviously plans key 1199 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:22,800 here 1200 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,800 Was will Smith nope 1201 01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,280 10 year ban not expelled 1202 01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,320 Weinstein Cosby 1203 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:32,480 A guy named Adam Kimmel 1204 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,480 Who they found out that he had committed 1205 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,000 Statutory rape of a minor 1206 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,280 Oh 1207 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,280 Yeah, so they expelled him 1208 01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:44,480 and 1209 01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:47,280 The first person to be expelled 1210 01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:53,280 Uh was from the godfather part two and he was also in uh in ypd blue 1211 01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:55,680 His name was 1212 01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,200 Carmine is I don't know if this guy's still kicking it Carmine 1213 01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,280 Karadie 1214 01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:02,480 Karadie 1215 01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:04,480 C-a-r-i-d-i 1216 01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:06,480 And he was expelled for 1217 01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:10,320 So so these other four people are on this list 1218 01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,160 because they are disgusting human beings and 1219 01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,240 just 1220 01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,240 skin of the earth 1221 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,840 Um, this guy is lumped in with them because 1222 01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,640 Uh, he was pirating 1223 01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,640 screeners that were meant for members only 1224 01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,600 Awesome great reason to get kicked out 1225 01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,800 Oh, and we haven't even talked about the the big Roman Balansky thing 1226 01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,800 In 1997 1227 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,800 Arrested for sexual assault of a 13 year old 1228 01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:47,440 Uh, he drugged her and raped her. Uh, he was then dieted on six counts. He was found guilty 1229 01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,000 No five 1230 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:57,040 Of the charges ended up being dropped and the only way they would drop those five is if he pled guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor 1231 01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:03,840 And so when it came to sentencing 42 days in prison a 90 day sycoval, but he fled to france 1232 01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,480 The day before it was all supposed to go down 1233 01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,400 He had 42 days in prison. He went to london and then 1234 01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,840 Went to france where he couldn't he wouldn't be extradited because he has a french citizenship 1235 01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,480 Oh, and he's lived there pretty much ever since what a piece of shit 1236 01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,280 So that happened in 1977 so 1237 01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:28,400 That was after china town after rosemary's baby after his big stuff 1238 01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,400 but in 2002 when the penis came out the 1239 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,640 The academy showed us how they felt 1240 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:37,360 by 1241 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,360 giving him the 1242 01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:44,720 Uh, best director the award was accepted by Harrison Ford. Why Harrison Ford? 1243 01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:49,440 Because good buddies, I guess not even adrian brody the star of the movie 1244 01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:56,560 Nope, Harrison Ford and then what I found most shocking is that uh, he has a movie called carnage that came out in 2011 1245 01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:02,000 Starring jody foster john c. Riley what christoff waltz and kate winslet 1246 01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,960 Really and kate winslet said he's one of the most 1247 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,920 extraordinary men i've ever met 1248 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:14,400 This guy that drugged and raped a 13 year old and then fled the country and then fled the country and has been 1249 01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,960 there ever since 1250 01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,120 Which is another thing that we 1251 01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,360 saw in white on set is 1252 01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:26,720 These industry people that will come in and will vouch for you and will give you a 1253 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,360 Will be a character witness for you 1254 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:37,360 And whether they like your character or not, they're gonna say whatever they need to in order to lift you up enough to where you can at least get your 1255 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,480 Uh punishment lowered to a minimum 1256 01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,400 Um, yeah, he was facing six 1257 01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,360 charges 1258 01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,360 And five of them were dropped 1259 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,840 is horrifying 1260 01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:55,840 and he had he 1261 01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,000 He rarely speaks on it 1262 01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,800 But he did have a quote saying if i'd killed somebody 1263 01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,000 It wouldn't have had so much appeal to the press you see 1264 01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:10,080 But f***ing you see and the young girls judges want to f*** young girls juries want to f*** young girls 1265 01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,080 Everyone wants to f*** young girls 1266 01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,320 Say hell of a hell of a stance 1267 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:19,200 And in 2019 he appealed his expulsion 1268 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,000 and uh 1269 01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:26,240 They upheld it. Can you imagine if they reversed it now like in 2024? 1270 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:32,640 They reversed his expulsion, but he still has all of his he still has all of his awards his academy awards 1271 01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:38,000 Yeah, yeah, they were revoked an academy award. I mean, I don't know how they would revoke the 1272 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:44,320 Trophy, but I'm sure they could put a little last risk by their name. Yeah on the official websites 1273 01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:49,680 But yeah, I knew that he I was pretty sure that he won best director for the pianist 1274 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:54,480 And I knew that that was after all the other stuff that happened because it was a big it was a big issue 1275 01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:58,880 Like people were pissed and they should have been right because he didn't face justice for what he did 1276 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:05,200 And then now he's still getting all these these accolades like if if he had paid his debt justice was served 1277 01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:09,760 And then he came back and he was able to do this 1278 01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,720 post punishment 1279 01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:17,280 That would have been one thing, but that's not what happened. He just ran away and was allowed to 1280 01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,320 to just chill in france 1281 01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,760 for 1282 01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,640 30 years 40 years almost 40 years. It's uh 1283 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:27,920 It feels like really bad 1284 01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:33,840 taste in your mouth that all these people are still willing to go to bat for someone who was so openly 1285 01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:35,840 a monster 1286 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,160 And then we'll turn around and tell you 1287 01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:42,800 What you should be doing 1288 01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,520 Yeah, in your day-to-day life with your body 1289 01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,800 With your choices with your vote all that stuff 1290 01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:56,640 The same people that are just going to jump on this bandwagon because they think it's going to keep them relevant for a little bit longer 1291 01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,120 We put too much pressure on 1292 01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,240 The idea of celebrity 1293 01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,280 Yeah, I don't believe that we should hold them to 1294 01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,000 Necessarily certain moral standards 1295 01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:16,800 But if you have that kind of closeness where you see them as people that you're willing to look up to or 1296 01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,640 Anything kind of in that realm then 1297 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,920 it's like if 1298 01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:28,160 If you see them as like friends like if you saw 1299 01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,160 um 1300 01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,240 Kevin Spacey idolized his life 1301 01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,160 Saw the things that he did as 1302 01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:42,080 Someone that you would want to to model yourself after and you find out all these terrible things happen then 1303 01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:45,840 I think you have a responsibility to 1304 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,240 Do what you would do if it were an actual friend of yours that did something like that 1305 01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,680 Cut them out 1306 01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:59,600 Get some kind of distance get some kind of consequence. I don't know it's 1307 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,440 There's a lot of great area not with Roman Plansky that man is a monster, but 1308 01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,680 Yeah, and I think that's why he is such a prime example 1309 01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,320 Of art versus the artist 1310 01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,680 Because I mean, I don't know if I've ever seen rosemary's baby 1311 01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,720 I haven't seen anything of his besides rosemary's baby 1312 01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:25,440 I mean, I've heard good things about Chinatown and there's also I mean that stars jack Nicholson and that also has its own host of 1313 01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,320 issues for instance 1314 01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:34,560 Roman Plansky met this girl in 1977 while he was doing a photo shoot at jack Nicholson's pool 1315 01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:35,920 Really? 1316 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,320 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Do you have anything else you wanted to 1317 01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,520 Get into on this one? Oh, yeah. No, I'm 1318 01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:47,600 Do you think there is a statute of limitations when it comes to canceling a piece of art? 1319 01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,520 So 1320 01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,040 Take 1321 01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,160 Johnny Depp, okay, for example, so 1322 01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:00,960 There's a lot of gray area also when it comes to 1323 01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,640 Canceling Johnny Depp. I know he was kicked out of Pire to the Caribbean. There was 1324 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:06,240 A whole lot of 1325 01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:13,680 Fallout begged him to come back. Yeah, there was a lot of fallout when it came to the defamation case with amber herd amber turd 1326 01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:15,920 but 1327 01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:17,360 if you 1328 01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,520 believe that Johnny Depp should be cancelled for 1329 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,480 that situation 1330 01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:25,360 Is there a statute of limitations where it would be acceptable to 1331 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,400 enjoy their art again? 1332 01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,160 like if you 1333 01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,400 Don't support Johnny Depp or the things that he did 1334 01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,440 Would it be a certain amount of time? 1335 01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:42,400 When you would be able to kind of separate the art from the artist or would it just be kind of forever tainted? 1336 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:48,320 No, I think if I had a problem with Johnny Depp, I don't think I don't know 1337 01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:52,240 That's a difficult one because because you don't think he deserved to be cancelled in the first place 1338 01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:54,720 Yeah 1339 01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:58,480 Yeah, I do. I think he did some shitty things. Yeah. Do I think she also did? 1340 01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:01,360 So some shitty things 1341 01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:09,280 Yes, but I mean and part of it could be the fact that I was already biased going into the the whole trial 1342 01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,280 Like I watched the whole thing. I watched 1343 01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:18,160 a youtube commentary on on all of it and kept up to date with it and I think I was 1344 01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,000 Uh, probably biased because a lot of 1345 01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,800 Johnny Depp stuff is a lot of my childhood 1346 01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,360 Yeah, okay. Do you know who army hammer is? 1347 01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:31,760 Yeah 1348 01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:37,040 What about switching it to him? He's not a part of anyone's childhood. He's not any kind of install just and 1349 01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:39,280 lone ranger 1350 01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,280 So there's a Johnny Depp guy and 1351 01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,280 yeah 1352 01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,560 This was just weird 1353 01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:53,520 Because he was like the the sending messages about like cutting off pieces of people needing them, right? Yeah 1354 01:33:53,520 --> 01:34:01,120 Uh, he was also incredibly abusive and controlling. There were people that came out that were in relationships with him that came out with all kinds of things 1355 01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,120 I believe whenever all of that 1356 01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,160 Cannibalism stuff kind of hit the fan 1357 01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:08,960 I don't know 1358 01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,960 because I think that 1359 01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:14,240 To a certain extent people are going to like people 1360 01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,760 Can just have a very controlling domineering 1361 01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:20,480 personality 1362 01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:23,440 Um, that's usually a lot of like 1363 01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:26,160 upper management leader type people 1364 01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:32,080 So I I guess I don't know because that stuff didn't come out until after all the weird shit with the 1365 01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,680 The eating people stuff came out. Yeah 1366 01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:41,840 So was it just people trying to pile on like they were fine with it until they saw an opportunity to 1367 01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:44,480 maybe cash in maybe 1368 01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,960 Get their name in an article 1369 01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,040 who knows and that's that's the 1370 01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:55,920 The sucky part about all of it is that again people there's so many people that 1371 01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:01,280 Stand to make a whole lot of money going one way or going the other way. Yeah 1372 01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:03,440 and so 1373 01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:07,840 You have a you can't have a hard time trying to sift through all of it to figure out 1374 01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:11,360 Where the actual truth is it's usually usually somewhere in the middle 1375 01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,160 like people have their intentions 1376 01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:18,400 And they're going to be way on this side the people who have 1377 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:23,200 Obsident intentions are going to be way on this side and the truth of what actually happens going to be right there 1378 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:24,960 Somewhere in the middle 1379 01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:29,600 And is it going to be leaning one way or the other? It could could it be leaning a lot towards one? 1380 01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:33,360 Yeah, but then there's enough stuff going the other way that 1381 01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:40,560 There's gray area and as far as the as far as the domineering and the 1382 01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,680 And the trying to control whoever 1383 01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:48,080 Goes if it had come out before all the other stuff came out 1384 01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:54,160 If it had come out as its own thing then I feel like it would hold a lot more weight than 1385 01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:59,440 Oh, look at this shit that army hammer did and then oh, but then he also did this. Yeah 1386 01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,800 That's fair and then it also got turned into another 1387 01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:09,200 Trauma porn documentary on HBO. Mm-hmm. Do you ever watch that one? I didn't know the house of hammer 1388 01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,200 No, because I don't really care 1389 01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:13,920 I do is 1390 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,720 What's his relationship to arm and hammer? 1391 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,000 Uh, someone got sued over 1392 01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:24,560 Over names. I'm sure of it. I mean his name is literally arm and 1393 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,840 Armand hammer 1394 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:32,960 Also, I don't know if it would have been a better example than army hammer, but I feel like it would have been 1395 01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:38,800 Then that conversation could also happen around dan schneider because that one's one of the ones that hits a little bit closer to home for me 1396 01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:45,120 Because I was raised on all the dan schneider shows. I watched I carly growing up dragan josh, obviously victorious 1397 01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,000 yeah 1398 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,000 and it's 1399 01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:54,000 That one's a little bit harder in retrospect just because 1400 01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,760 It's not 1401 01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,920 It's it's kind of like the cosby thing 1402 01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,240 that you see 1403 01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,240 the people who are victims of 1404 01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,960 The person 1405 01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,280 Yeah, like 1406 01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:16,880 Yeah, they might get profit off of it, but you see them living probably the worst times of their life 1407 01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,680 And it makes it just 1408 01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:25,200 I think it just kind of burns the whole thing 1409 01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:31,840 Like you can't really watch dragan josh now because no matter what you're watching you still kind of see it as 1410 01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,080 What drake was going through behind the scenes. Yeah 1411 01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:42,160 Yeah, and I think that with the dan schneider stuff so many other people were culpable 1412 01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:50,240 Like so many other people were to blame on top of dan schneider. Yeah, that that makes it even grosser 1413 01:37:50,240 --> 01:38:01,120 And not just dan schneider, but brian peck too. Yeah, like everyone just and it sucks 1414 01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,120 to 1415 01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:05,120 see drake's dad 1416 01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:11,600 Go through everything that he went through trying to tell everyone. Hey, there's something up with this guy being the one person 1417 01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:16,640 That actually tried to vouch for his child being right the whole time and no one doing anything about it 1418 01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,640 Yeah 1419 01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:24,000 And then to find out that the person that assaulted his son is the one that he was warning everybody about 1420 01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:40,880 So how are we feeling about art versus the artist? How did you go into it? 1421 01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,000 I went into it so I 1422 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:51,520 I think part of being gen Z is being so kind of in tune with the cancel culture 1423 01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,040 And so it's 1424 01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:57,920 Easy 1425 01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,920 to say 1426 01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:03,280 That you can't really separate the art from the artist because these people are still 1427 01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:06,240 Profiting off of the thing that they made 1428 01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:11,200 I think the the nuances lie in 1429 01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:15,520 When you are 1430 01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:21,040 Using the position of power that you have to do these terrible things 1431 01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,800 or 1432 01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,120 When you have 1433 01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:32,800 Like just done something so egregious that you should be cancelled as a human being 1434 01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,800 That you should just be 1435 01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:37,440 No longer relevant to the conversation 1436 01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:39,840 in any context 1437 01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,560 because especially with 1438 01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:46,160 Not especially but with celebrity like you 1439 01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,360 Profit off the fact that you're part of the conversation 1440 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:54,240 Yeah, and I think that the best kind of consequence that you can have for something like that is to 1441 01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:59,680 Burn your name to the ground. No one is going to think of Cosby for anything 1442 01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,800 Besides the horrible things he did 1443 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:05,920 For the rest of time like there is 1444 01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:13,040 Okay, and putting pops and he is another one that we should have added to our list of easy 1445 01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:16,960 Impressions 1446 01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:18,960 That's fair 1447 01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,880 I don't think you're allowed to do yeah, I mean cosby impressions anymore 1448 01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:26,000 I mean anytime you hear cosby from now 1449 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:30,160 Forward I mean you can probably guarantee it's going to be an impressionist 1450 01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:32,880 Yeah 1451 01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:34,880 but it's uh 1452 01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:39,280 I think that there's still nuance to it, but I think there's less nuance than I thought there was 1453 01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,040 Okay, yeah, that's fair 1454 01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,080 I think that some people 1455 01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,280 Deserve to be cast out they don't deserve a platform 1456 01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:51,920 it's 1457 01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:56,880 Personally speaking really annoying whenever celebrities use their platform for political means 1458 01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,520 because I think that's just 1459 01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,160 a separate thing 1460 01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:04,880 But at the same time like 1461 01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:07,920 I don't really use social media 1462 01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:14,080 So if I were to use social media and I wanted my opinions known on politics or whatever then 1463 01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:20,080 Like more power to me 1464 01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:27,600 Anyway that is that's all I got on art versus the artist 1465 01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:32,480 Final thoughts 1466 01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:38,000 Hmm, I don't know I went into it on the fence. Um 1467 01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:41,840 I do think there's a difference between 1468 01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:46,560 I do think it's a lot easier to separate the art from the artist if the artist is dead 1469 01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:48,960 So like Michael Jackson if there's no more artist 1470 01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,760 Yeah, that that stuff he did was still bad 1471 01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:54,960 But now 1472 01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,120 Like for future generations this 1473 01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:00,160 Music is just going to stand on its own right? 1474 01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:07,200 It's not going to have the association like at some point. It's just going to be a song that's sung by some guy 1475 01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,160 and then it's going to be a 1476 01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:16,400 That's going to be a factoid. Hey, did you know this about this song because there's stuff like that now 1477 01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:21,200 Songs that you listen to that are from 50 60 years ago 1478 01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:26,400 Yeah, and I mean it was different story then because there's not stuff all over the internet. You don't get 1479 01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:30,320 your news blasted at your face 24 7 1480 01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:35,520 So that's going to be different but I do think that 1481 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:39,600 At one point at some point the 1482 01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:43,680 The artist is 1483 01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,920 Is no longer relevant to the art if it's art that is still 1484 01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:50,880 in the public consciousness 1485 01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,200 So as long as they're not 1486 01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:56,400 actively reaping the rewards of the piece that they made 1487 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,080 Then it would be 1488 01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,080 Acceptable to enjoy it again 1489 01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:04,160 I think so without 1490 01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,160 Having to think about the context of it 1491 01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:08,160 Yeah 1492 01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:09,840 but I mean 1493 01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,000 a lot of the context of things are 1494 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,800 Because I mean Michael Jackson stuff not so much because he didn't write the music 1495 01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:19,040 or the lyrics 1496 01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,360 so his stuff might have been something like a 1497 01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:24,480 A cultural 1498 01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:28,640 Shift not so much a personal shift. So I think that 1499 01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:30,720 His stuff 1500 01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:35,040 Yeah, I do think that that there's a big difference when they're no longer 1501 01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:41,440 reaping the benefits of what they've created and no longer able to profit 1502 01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:48,000 non-monetarily off of the status that this piece of art has given them. Yeah, I mean 1503 01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:52,400 The status I feel like in a lot of these cases get stripped pretty immediately. Yeah 1504 01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:56,080 But I mean there's there's people that still say all those kids are lying 1505 01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,600 everything it's I mean it's they bring race they bring 1506 01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:07,600 Just trauma and whatever they need to twist it and contort it to say well, hey this there's this didn't happen 1507 01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:11,600 This doesn't make any sense. Yeah, just because of how they feel about the art 1508 01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:14,240 Not necessarily about the person 1509 01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:15,760 you 1510 01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,760 When I watched quite on set 1511 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:22,480 It was it was a hard thing for me to watch because those were all of the things that I grew up with 1512 01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:26,880 I didn't want any of that stuff to be true and to change the conversation about things that I enjoyed growing at 1513 01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,360 And so I think that it's not 1514 01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,960 necessarily invalid to have those feelings to 1515 01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:38,080 Want the things that were fundamental to you growing up to be untainted 1516 01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:40,880 But I do think it is 1517 01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:43,200 Not something that we can do 1518 01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:49,120 It's not a mentality that we can have anymore because we have access to all of the information all of the time 1519 01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:53,040 That like you can't you can't really bury your head in the sand on anything anymore 1520 01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:58,640 So what you're saying is the internet ruined everything and on that note. I hope you're using the internet to listen to this 1521 01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:04,480 So if it did one good thing, it's it brought cash exchange to your earhole 1522 01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:23,440 This is our contribution to the internet ruining everything. Yeah, peace out girl scouts and uh, how the day you deserve 1523 01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:36,480 You