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lost in the fog of a cosmic storm floating on

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whimsical wavelengths is the norm dancing through

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the stars chasing spectrums of light Welcome

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back to another episode of Whimsical Wavelengths.

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Before I jump right in, it's time to do a little

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bit of housekeeping. First off, happy Christmas,

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merry holidays, and all the mixing and matching

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of all the different holidays and solsticness

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that is all going on. I've got my Christmas tree

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already put up in my living room. My own two

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monsters are... Counting down the days, using

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my homemade advent calendar that I do every year.

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I put little boxes and things together with different

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kind of candy. It's a fun way to be able to count

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down, and for kids, they get so incredibly excited.

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It's a festive time of year, a time where we

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come together. It's also the time of year where

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we start reflecting on the year that has passed.

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And here on Whimsical Wavelengths, it's been

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a pretty damn good year. Into Season 2. And just

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keep going. I think I'm putting together something

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that is really useful and perhaps filling a niche

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that this world needs a little bit more of. But

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to get better, I need you guys. So hopefully

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in this next year, you will put in a New Year's

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resolution to reach out and, I don't know, give

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me some feedback. Tell me what works, what doesn't

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work, and all that other things. Oh, also, the

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very first episode of the year will actually

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be an encore edition. I need that extra two -week

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period to get everything ready and make sure

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that I'm not always behind the eight ball, that

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I'm putting my best foot forward and producing

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content that at least I want to hear. And hopefully

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you do as well. So that very first one, I believe

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it'll be the first Monday in January, there will

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be an encore edition, and then we'll move in

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with my past PhD supervisor, Dr. Glenn Williams

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-Jones, as part of a two -part episode, although

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two different guests, just the location of the

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science generally stays the same. I'm totally

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looking forward to it, and I hope you guys are

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as well. So... Why am I doing this? Well, yeah,

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because I'm a little bit behind. Why am I behind?

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Because of that trip to Saudi Arabia earlier

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in October. Fantastic trip. So glad I went there.

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There's certain things, particularly outside

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of the major city, that were just culturally

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hard for me to understand. You can always ask

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me over beers at one time if you ever catch me

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at a pub. Ask me about it, but I don't think

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it's really worthwhile. Going on to... In the

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podcast. Why? It's not science -related, and

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it's for my day job. So, this is a solo episode.

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I'm setting it up just for myself, because every

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once in a while, I take a deviation. That is

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more about history, instead of, like, cutting

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-edge research with guests and the like. In season

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one, I did Nikola Tesla, the Mediterranean Sea,

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and the rise and fall of leaded gasoline. Here,

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in Season 2, this is the first episode in this

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kind of vein. You, the listener, what would be

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fun for you? Tell me. Perhaps I'll find a way

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to make an episode all about it. And more importantly,

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give me some more feedback of whether these types

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of episodes are good for you. They take me a

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significantly more time and effort to produce

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and do the research, because they're not really

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within my wheelhouse, but I feel there's still

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a lot there to be gained to have someone talk

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about it and do the storytelling. So today we're

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going to look at the planets. Why? Because there's

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lots we can get into, from prehistoric times

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to today. And the search for, quote -unquote,

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Planet Nine. It'll be whimsical. It'll be fun.

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Well, fun, at least for me, anyway. And it also

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will chronicle science progress. How we learn

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new tools and how those tools enter the scene

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and change how we view the universe around us.

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I could cut this whole idea to famous quotes

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like... If I've seen further, it is by Standing

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on the Shoulders of Giants by Sir Isaac Newton.

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Or if I wanted more historical, there are many

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famous quotes. But I'll stick with, you have

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to know the past to understand the present, which

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is attributed to Carl Sagan. This idea on analysis

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is absolutely required right now. We have to

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know the past to understand the present. So much

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is being covered up, or forgotten, or perhaps

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just turned a blind eye to. And the scary bit

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of maybe sounding political, vaccination is something

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that instantaneously comes to mind for me. The

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hard lessons of the past are being completely

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ignored. There is no clear data set suggesting

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that the current vaccine schedule in, say, Canada,

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and I could choose a different country, is causing

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more harms than the risks of getting the pathogens

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if not vaccinated. Yeah, scientific speak, but

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it should end the discussion for population scale

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ideas. But I digress. That deviation is to show

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understanding the past scientific endeavors is

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useful for providing context to the present and

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ultimately the future. So the planets, because

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no matter the discipline, the process is similar.

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To start, to start. Well, how about which planets

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have we known about since, like, the antiquity?

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Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. For

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each of these planets, the earliest records are

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from the Babylonian astronomers of about 1000

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BCE. Or, you know, 3000 -ish years ago. They

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made meticulous observations of the night sky

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by eye. They are the first, as far as we know

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of anyway, to come up with a mathematical model

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of the sky. Their work also set up modern -day

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astrology, zodiac signs. If you believe or use

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them, then you are in a way taking part in a

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spiritual tradition that dates back almost 3

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,000 years ago. That, of course, doesn't make

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them, well... the modern version anyway, any

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more correct or useful. For instance, I'm a Virgo,

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so let's do a quick Google search and see what

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it says about me and podcasting. Well, according

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to the Times of India, Virgo is going to have

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a research -heavy podcast with well -structured

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episodes, fact -checks everything, uses timestamps,

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which I don't, and has a highly dedicated but

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small audience that swears by every word. I'm

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not sure that part's true either. Reader's Digest

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suggests Virgos will create true crime podcasts.

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Generally, I detest true crime. There are caveats

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to this, but in reality, when you get down to

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it, it bothers me because it warps our perception.

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Statistics and reality often get left behind

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in true crime. Some kind of magazine or website

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is another idea. Bustle is the name. It doesn't

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even have Virgo listed and directly contradicts

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the times of India with respect to one of the

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other zodiac signs, Aries, as they were rated

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among the least likely to create a long -running

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podcast and in here, in Bustle, the most likely.

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Yeah. The last thing I'll mention. With this

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search and the whole zodiac signs is one result

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that came up that suggested those... with the

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sign of Aquarius or Virgo, are most likely to

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start a cult. Yeah, it's a mixed bag out there.

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Nothing empirical or anything. I can't assign

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a number to it. But, yeah, they're not scientific.

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Let's just go with that. So, back on track. Away

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from the zodiac signs. It's important to state

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that the planets in ancient times, back to 1000

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BCE, They were thought of as moving or wandering

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stars. They weren't thought of as worlds. The

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Babylonians were making observations of these

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wandering stars and creating mathematical models

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around 300 BCE to 400 BCE to predict when they

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would reappear in the sky. The word planet comes

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from the Greeks, actually. I'm not going to butcher

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this pronunciation, but planetai, loosely meaning

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wandering light. and not a world or what we have

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as a modern understanding of what a planet is.

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So a very quick rundown on the Greek understanding

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of the planets. Mercury, the Greeks originally

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thought it was Apollo when seen at sunrise and

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Hermes at sunset, two separate objects, but eventually

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they did get around to recognizing it as one

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body or light. Venus, also thought was two different

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objects based on morning and evening. Mars, probably

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because its red color was always just seen as

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one object instead of two, and Jupiter and Saturn

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had the same stories as Mars, where they were

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thought of as a single object. Before 1540, the

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conventional understanding of the universe had

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Earth at its center and everything revolved around

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the Earth. Complex mathematical formulas could

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predict the positions of the Sun, the Moon, and

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the wandering stars. i .e. the planets. The mathematics

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were developed by Plutomi, a mathematician born

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in Alexandria, Egypt, which was a Roman province

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during his lifetime. See, I almost, almost managed

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to escape the episode without mentioning the

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Roman Empire. Well, this mathematical model lasted

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for nearly 1 ,500 years. Then came Nicolaus Copernicus,

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the heliocentric model. putting the sun at the

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center. This new model simplified everything,

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but it was not accepted everywhere at first.

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In fact, it wasn't accepted basically anywhere,

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mostly for religious reasons, and there was no

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clear observational evidence for the heliocentric

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model to begin with, and it really delayed its

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acceptance. But all that began to change with

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the invention of the telescope in 1608 in the

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Netherlands. Galileo took that invention, improved

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on the optics, and turned it towards the night

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sky. Quickly, observations of the moon's mountains

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and the valleys and Venus showed a series of

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phases like the moon proving Venus orbits the

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sun. And the discovery of the moons around Jupiter

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showed that not everything revolved around Earth.

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Unfortunately for Galileo, the Catholic Church

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thought this idea was dangerous. I feel even

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today I'm going into dangerous territory here,

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which is kind of wild when you think about it.

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Science is about observations and explaining

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those observations with continual tests and data.

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Observational evidence was showing that the Earth

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was not the center of the universe. The issue

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was the theological understanding that the universe

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placed the Earth at its center. The Bible had

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a number of passages which were interpreted to

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mean the sun moved around the earth and the earth

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was stationary. So a heliocentric model of the

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universe contradicted faith and therefore represented

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heresy. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

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Okay, well, we're not there yet. The Spanish

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Inquisition doesn't exist. And if you only spent

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10 minutes or so searching, that's the story

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that would be told. However, it's a bit more

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complicated than that. Copernicus' heliocentric

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model was originally treated like a mathematical

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argument or assumption, if you will. It didn't

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have any evidence behind it. It was a clever

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solution, as it was conceptually simpler. But

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the Earth didn't move, because that would be

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totally crazy. Well, with the new observations

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by Galileo, the scientific world quickly divided

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itself into three different boxes. There were

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the philosophers, or the... Aristotelians, who

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were adamant that the heavens were perfect and

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unchanging. The moon was made of ether, not an

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earthly matter. It is surprising how often this

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idea still actually makes its appearances today

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on the fringes of, like, Flat Earth and other

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weird Facebook groups that I have been a part

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of. This group of Aristotelians would go as far

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as suggesting telescopes had flawed lenses or

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that Galileo was misinterpreting the optical

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illusions. Obstinate and find ways to throw mud

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towards what did not align with the world view.

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Oh, sounds so familiar. There was the church's

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choice to explain the data and seemed to be where

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the majority of the astronomers at the time were.

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Tachronics, named after the person who developed

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the paradigm. They claimed the data could be

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explained if the Sun and the Moon orbited Earth

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and the other planets orbited the Sun. Very important

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to note, this model at the time could explain

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the observations. It had the added benefit of

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being closer to the previous understanding. The

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Earth didn't move. Scripture interpretation stayed

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intact. Then there was the Copernicus heliocentric

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model. Simpler, but if the Earth was moving,

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parallax should be able to be measured. Well,

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what is parallax, you ask? Well, let's describe

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how you can experience it, how, if safe to do

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so, you can do it right now, and perform this

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very simple experiment, i .e., if you're driving

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a car, please don't do it. Hold your thumb out

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at arm's length. Close one eye and align your

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thumb with a distance object. like a clock or

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a picture or a tree if you're outside without

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moving your thumb close that eye and open the

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other your thumb will appear to have jumped to

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a new position against that distant background

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so if the earth moved stars should shift in the

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sky yearly now no parallax was measured until

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eighteen thirty eight using bessel's measurement

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of sixty one sign which is a star It was the

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first successful measurement to show parallax

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from Earth. I know that this is a science podcast,

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but typically I try to stay away from overloading

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with numbers. However, it's kind of here important

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to understand the parallax problem here and show

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why early astronomers just couldn't possibly

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detect it and why the heliocentric model took

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so long to really be fully adopted. So let's

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start with the best case scenario, the closest

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star to Earth. What is Proxima? Centauri, which

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is about 4 .24 light years away, or 268 ,000

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astronomical units. If we use the Earth's orbit

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instead of our two eyes, and astronomical units

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is just the distance, the average distance of

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the Earth to the Sun. It's just one of those

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conventions. Gives us something a little easier

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to work with instead of like millions and millions

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and millions of kilometers and miles. So if we

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use the Earth's orbit instead of our two eyes,

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i .e. the solstices or the equinoxes, and view

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the same star, the distance between the baseline

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is two astronomical units. Placing it into the

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equation works out to approximately one astronomical

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unit over 260... 8 000 astronomical units or

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3 .7 times 10 to the negative 6 radians or 0

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.76 arc seconds okay those are numbers all right

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now let's get back to something we can actually

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relate those numbers to this is the equivalent

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to being able to see the width of a coin five

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kilometers away yeah i i don't think we're going

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to see a person if we just use our eyes at five

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kilometers away but the width of a coin that

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would be impressive and it comes down to instrumentation

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and precision at best pre -1600 naked eye measurements

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had errors of one to ten arc minutes or 60 to

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600 times larger than that width of coin that

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we were just talking about and early telescopes

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had instrument accuracy of maybe 10 to 20 arc

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seconds at best. So while that was still a huge

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improvement from those naked eye measurements,

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it was still a bit more than an order of magnitude

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too imprecise to measure the parallax to the

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closest star to Earth. So back to the very first

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time parallax was measured in 1838, 61 Cygni

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is 10 .4 light years away, so quite close. And

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the measurement was 0 .314 arcseconds. This is

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a theme that comes up again and again in cosmology.

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Our ability to measure becomes more precise as

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we open up new avenues of investigation, like

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Hubble's discovery of galaxies and gravitational

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lensing. Don't forget, gravitational lensing

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was covered in Season 1 as a two -parter. Freaking

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awesome. You should go back and listen to it

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if you have not. To bring this part of the episode

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to a close, galileo would continue to make observations

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and become more convinced that the heliocentric

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model was correct eventually he made his opinions

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unequivocal and he was found guilty of vehement

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suspicion of heresy and spent the rest of his

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days under house arrest Of course, the story

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doesn't stop there or stop here with Galileo

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under house arrest. Another astronomer across

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Europe was figuring out that the planets don't

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actually move in perfect circles at all. Jonas

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Kepler. One of science's greatest mystics. An

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oxymoron, perhaps, but it's an apt one. Overlapping

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with Galileo, Jonas Kepler published the first

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two laws of planetary motion in 1609. and the

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third in 1619. Before getting into the laws themselves,

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why Kepler was able to publish clear arguments

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dismantling geocentrism and Galileo was walked

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away? Well, it comes down to a couple of things.

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Location and people. First, I've said it before

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on this podcast and I'll say it many, many times.

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People are weird. It's just the truth. Here I

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am on a mic talking about science to people I

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have never met. Another common theme in these

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solo episodes, people, are weird. Galileo was

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argumentative and published a lot of things that

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were combative, his ideas, and he brought them

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straight to the masses. So he would just publish

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for the average person. Kepler was a theologian

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first, trained as one. I mean, he viewed geometry

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as divine. If he could describe the world through

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geometry, in other words, math, then it was proof

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of God's divine work. It's a very different framing

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than Galileo. Kepler also published in mathematical

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arguments, not prose for the average person.

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So the average theologian would never know what

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work he published or talked about or wrote about.

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And he would never know that it essentially argues

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for the fall of geocentrism, i .e. that the earth

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moves. and his work refining heliocentrism. Sometimes

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it isn't the message, but the messenger. True

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story. By focusing on the math and the observations,

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Kepler determined the planets did not move in

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circles, but ellipses. And so here are his three

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general planet laws of planetary motion. The

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first, an orbit of a planet is an ellipse with

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the sun at one of two foci. Two. A line segment

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joining a planet and the Sun sweeps out equal

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areas during equal intervals of time. 3. The

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square of the planet's orbital period is proportional

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to the cube of the length of its semi -major

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axis of its orbit. I don't want to get too bogged

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down here in the details, as I still need to

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get through Newton before I can get back to the

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planets themselves. But it's important to mention

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this. These laws were absolutely fundamental

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and an important point along our journey here

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today. Jonas Kepler's attention to detail and

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academic honesty to not force things to fit ideas

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that were handed to him led to those three observations

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that would later be called scientific laws. All

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the while believing that he was indeed doing

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God's work by chronicling the divine through

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geometry. It really takes all types, sometimes

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even the mystics, to move science forward. So

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if Kepler described what the planets did, Newton

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explained why they did it. The guy Sir Isaac

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Newton was mysterious and a bit of a rebel with

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respect to the academic thought. His relationship

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with theology was... complicated, much only coming

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out since 1972, actually, after a bunch of his

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personal notebooks were made available for public

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investigation. Here we'll gloss over the academic

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insults, insecurities, alchemy, the great work

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he did with the British Mint, and even calculus.

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Although calculus is there, hidden in the background,

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for the rest of this episode. It is his seminal

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work, Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy,

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published in 1687 that we cannot ignore. It was

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here that Newton unified physics, brought about

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classical mechanics, and explained gravity. It

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provided the why to the orbits of the planets.

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We now had the ability to predict the movement

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of all planets and many other phenomena. Okay,

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up to this point, the world was still only aware

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of the six inner planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth,

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Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. We had the how and

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the why. We also had telescopes, which needed

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better manufacturing and better understanding

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of the optics to make them more powerful. The

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next planet in the solar system was waiting to

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be observed. Funny thing is that the next planet

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had previously been observed before. What is

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known today as Uranus had been seen and documented

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many, many times before. The earliest possible

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is way, way back in 128 BCE by Greek astronomer,

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geographer, and mathematician Hipparchus. Uranus

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technically can be seen without a telescope,

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but it requires really dark skies, which is definitely

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a problem today. The other issue with potentially

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identifying it as a planet by the eye is that

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it moves so slowly. It makes a full orbit every

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84 Earth years. So it would take very careful

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observations over many, many years to identify

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it as a planet or wandering heavenly light. Dim,

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and it didn't wander very much. In 1781, British

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amateur telescope builder, astronomer, composer,

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titles, so many titles, noticed something in

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the sky. It looked like a disk and not a star.

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William Herschel. The long and the short of it

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is that William Herschel thought he had found

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a comet. It took data from others to convince

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him otherwise. It was the first recognized planet

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since antiquity. Well, detailed observations

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of Uranus continued to be made across the world,

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and in 1821, 40 years later, astronomical tables

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for the orbit of Uranus were published. It provided

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predictions based on Newton's equations of gravity.

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there were inconsistencies between the calculations

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and the observations. This really became evident

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as Uranus nearly completed a full orbit from

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the start of observations in 1847. There were

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three general hypotheses to explain these discrepancies.

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Influence of the Sun's gravity may be different

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than Newton's description at a distance. The

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result of observational error or three, another

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celestial body out there. is gravitationally

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tugging on Uranus. Now, whenever there's a defined

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problem, there's a race to be the first to figure

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it out. Harkening back a few episodes to the

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geophysical inversions, this is an ill -posed

00:25:47.619 --> 00:25:51.619
problem. It wasn't a race like that of Oppenheimer

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trying to get an atomic bomb, or anything like

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that. It was only prestige on the line. And it

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ended up in controversy. Again, we come back

00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:04.799
to this idea that people... are people, and they

00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.680
do weird things. In fact, some have called it

00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.160
a heist. Here's a question. Why are the pyramids

00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.140
still in Egypt? Well, because the British couldn't

00:26:14.140 --> 00:26:17.039
fit them into a museum. That joke will make sense

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in a few more moments. Shout out to the show

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or the podcast Stuff the British Stole. Sometimes

00:26:23.660 --> 00:26:26.940
those episodes are truly amazing, like the one

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on the Parthenon. Okay, back on track. The person

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credited with the mathematically predicting the

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orbit of Neptune, first via mathematical predictions,

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is Urbain Levenier, a French astronomer and mathematician.

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Sorry, terrible ability to do the accent and

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pronounce it. Well, anyway, Monsieur Levenier

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publicly announced his calculations to the French

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Academy on the 31st of August in 1846, and then

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sent the predictions to Johann Gallet, A German

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astronomer at the Berlin Observatory. Once it

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arrived, Johann promptly took that information

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and used it. That night on September 23rd, 1846,

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Neptune was officially discovered. So why the

00:27:13.950 --> 00:27:17.069
joke about Britain at the top? Well, there are

00:27:17.069 --> 00:27:19.890
usually multiple people looking at similar things

00:27:19.890 --> 00:27:23.109
at similar times. There's also, at least at this

00:27:23.109 --> 00:27:25.509
point in time, a lot of bragging rights on the

00:27:25.509 --> 00:27:29.700
line. Nationalism. This should... not be a surprise.

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I mean, look at the Cold War and the race to

00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:35.460
the moon. So a British mathematician and astronomer,

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John Couch Adams. This is where sources begin

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to contradict somewhat, and the deeper you go,

00:27:43.299 --> 00:27:44.700
the little bit more confused you get, and you

00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:47.720
have to try to eventually take a side. And that

00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:49.960
often happens where there's controversy. People

00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:52.250
being people. Especially when there's so much

00:27:52.250 --> 00:27:54.430
prestige on the line. Today it is, of course,

00:27:54.470 --> 00:27:56.289
just a quirk of history, but it's still interesting

00:27:56.289 --> 00:27:59.109
to explore these just for a moment. Picture a

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young man. One who liked to calculate things

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to many decimal places. Like that engineering

00:28:05.869 --> 00:28:10.710
friend that knows pi to 17 decimal places. Not

00:28:10.710 --> 00:28:12.529
terribly interested in actually writing up his

00:28:12.529 --> 00:28:15.269
results and doing papers, but loves to solve

00:28:15.269 --> 00:28:18.509
those complex mathematical problems. As part

00:28:18.509 --> 00:28:23.319
of that, he is... calculations for Neptune were

00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:25.960
ping -ponging around, or as the source I used,

00:28:26.059 --> 00:28:30.519
like the word vacillating, on his solution. He

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couldn't just, you know, give one number. It

00:28:32.500 --> 00:28:35.539
wasn't fixed. He was tinkering. It didn't come

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out with a whole lot of confidence and was, you

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know, somewhat ignored by British academics because

00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.119
of it. When Laverne's predictions and discovery

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came out, there was a scramble to save. Curiously,

00:28:52.740 --> 00:28:55.180
correspondence of Neptune and its discovery was

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lost in Britain. In 1999, it was found in an

00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.900
observation in Chile. Sometimes the truth is

00:29:01.900 --> 00:29:05.059
just too hard to make up. Well, it seems based

00:29:05.059 --> 00:29:07.880
on those documents anyway. The British case for

00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:10.940
getting credit was built largely after the discovery

00:29:10.940 --> 00:29:14.900
was made. It was absolutely true that John Couch

00:29:14.900 --> 00:29:16.940
Adams did similar calculation and came up with

00:29:16.940 --> 00:29:19.430
a similar answer. The timing and strength of

00:29:19.430 --> 00:29:22.210
the conviction was not 100%. So you could argue

00:29:22.210 --> 00:29:24.630
that the British, on a national level anyway,

00:29:24.829 --> 00:29:29.009
stole the discovery. John Couch Adams did, and

00:29:29.009 --> 00:29:32.009
probably rightly so, deserves credit for solving

00:29:32.009 --> 00:29:36.690
the same problem. But as a host here on this

00:29:36.690 --> 00:29:40.289
podcast, my bias is with Laverne taking the gold

00:29:40.289 --> 00:29:42.799
medal if there was such a thing. Okay, one more

00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:46.059
deviation on this. The American scientific establishment

00:29:46.059 --> 00:29:48.480
tried to take part in the prestige game too.

00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:53.000
Game of Thrones Astronomy Science Edition. The

00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.720
nerdiest show ever conceived. Well, after the

00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.440
discovery was known in the United States, a race

00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:01.960
was on to claim some of the credit. And yes,

00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:05.640
the Americans tried to jump in too. Once the

00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:07.660
word that Neptune's discovery crossed the Atlantic,

00:30:07.779 --> 00:30:11.099
the U .S. scientific establishment moved fast

00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:13.839
to carve out a slice of the glory. Several American

00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:16.380
astronomers claimed that they had independently

00:30:16.380 --> 00:30:20.059
performed calculations that pointed to an unseen

00:30:20.059 --> 00:30:23.559
planet. And a few scientific societies rushed

00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:25.880
to publish statements asserting that the first

00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:28.920
full orbital solution was produced on their side

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of the ocean. It was mainly a patriotism and

00:30:32.470 --> 00:30:36.430
opportunism mixed together kind of thing. Less

00:30:36.430 --> 00:30:39.049
careful mathematics and more. We're also working

00:30:39.049 --> 00:30:42.890
on that. A bit of scientific FOMO before the

00:30:42.890 --> 00:30:46.069
phrase existed. In the end, the Americans' claims

00:30:46.069 --> 00:30:48.869
didn't materially change the priority dispute,

00:30:49.250 --> 00:30:53.349
but they do add a delightful extra wrinkle into

00:30:53.349 --> 00:30:57.130
the international scramble for prestige. Okay,

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so we had Neptune. The next planet to be discovered,

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quote unquote, Pluto. In the early 20th century,

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Percival Lowell, founder of the Lowell Observatory

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in Arizona, became obsessed with the idea of

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the ninth planet, which he called Planet X. Now

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here's the part that often gets glossed over.

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The entire premise of Planet X rested on bad

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numbers. The irregularities Lowell saw in the...

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Uranus and Neptune's motions weren't the gravitational

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footprints of a hidden giant world out there

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in the solar system just needing to be found.

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They were mostly bookkeeping errors. For one,

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the mass of Neptune in Laos' era was slightly

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overestimated. That meant the predicted tug on

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Neptune should exert on Uranus didn't match what

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astronomers actually observed. The mismatch looked

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mysterious, even persuasive, if you didn't know

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that the mass was wrong. But Neptune's true mass

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wouldn't be nailed down until Voyager 2 flew

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past in 1989, long after Lowell's time, revealing

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that the earlier value had been off enough to

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throw off the calculations. Add to that the small

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observational errors baked into 19th century

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measurements, telescope pointing uncertainties,

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timing inaccuracies, star catalog offsets. Remember,

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astronomers were taking positions by hand. comparing

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them to imperfect star charts, squeezing out

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meaning of numbers that carried more noise than

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they realized. When you stack a few tenths of

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an arc second of measurement air year after year

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and then plug those into perturbation equations,

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you can magically discover forces that just aren't

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there. Lowell couldn't have known that many of

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the so -called orbital anomalies were just artifacts

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in the data. but lowell believed those irregularities

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hinted at another massive body further out he

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spent the final decade of his life searching

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for it he died without success but his observatory

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kept the hunt alive enter clyde a young kansas

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farm kid with a knack of building telescopes

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hired by lowell observatory in nineteen twenty

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nine his job was simple in description and brutal

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in execution photograph the sky, then photograph

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it again, and compare the plates under a blink

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comparator. Basically, you line up the plates,

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the photos, and compare them to something that's

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blinking, and you're looking for anything through

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thousands of stars, night after night, many,

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many, many photos, staring into bright lights,

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looking for anything, anything at all that moved.

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Then, on February 18, 1930, Dombrov spotted it,

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a tiny wandering dot against the star field.

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After the well observatory confirmed the motion

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and announced the discovery, the world embraced

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Pluto. Headlines everywhere, school textbooks

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were updated practically overnight. A schoolgirl

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in Oxford even provided the name Pluto, continuing

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the tradition of mythological underworld gods

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for the outer planets. And conveniently, it started

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with a P and then an L. Llewellyn's initials.

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But before I move on a quick deviation, the idea

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of a ninth planet never really died. Llewellyn's

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planet X left kind of a gravitational ghost in

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the scientific imagination, if you will. Once

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Pluto was found, it didn't exactly solve the

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orbital oddities Llewell thought it would. Pluto

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was way too small. So the hypothesis lingered

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in the background. And over the decades, every

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time an astronomer saw something a little strange

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in the outer solar system, the old dream of a

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hidden massive world got revived. And then, of

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course, the conspiracy world grabbed a hold of

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it too. Nibiru. I think I'm pronouncing it right,

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or Planet X, the supposed doomsday planet that

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was always conveniently just about to swing into

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the inner solar system any moment now. People

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wrote books, made documentaries, and predicted

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the end of the world more times than I can count,

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and way more times than I have episodes. None

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of it based in observation. All of it nonsense,

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but it shows just how persistent the idea of

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missing giant planet can be. Once it's in the

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culture, it sticks. Scientifically, though, the

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question is still interesting, but for very different

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reasons. In the last decade, several teams have

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noticed unusual clustering in the orbits of distant

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Cooper Belt objects. These are objects that are

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way out there, beyond kind of, Pluto's kind of

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right on the edge of these objects. And some

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astronomers argue that the alignment of those

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orbits might, just might be explained by a large

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unseen body further out. Maybe in the Oort cloud,

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which is a region even beyond the Kuiper belt,

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or approaching it. Something several times the

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mass of the Earth on a long stretched out orbit.

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It's not proven. There are competing explanations,

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including observational biases, but the fact

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remains that the... Planet 9, ideas very much

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alive in serious academic scientific circles

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today, just not as doom or mythology, but as

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a legitimate open question in orbital dynamics.

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Of course, Pluto's status didn't survive the

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21st century. The better our telescopes got,

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the more icy worlds were found in the Cooper

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Belt, many of them similar in size to Pluto.

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Some of them like Eris, even slightly larger.

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At that point, astronomers had to choose. Either

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suddenly we had dozens of planets, or we refined

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the definition. In 2006, the International Astronomical

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Union drew the line, and Pluto fell on the dwarf

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planet side. No, not because it wasn't interesting,

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not because it wasn't beloved, but because it

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hadn't fully cleared out its orbit or neighborhood

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of other debris. The rules changed, and Pluto,

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poor Pluto. lost its gold medal status. And that's

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where I'm ending this episode. From the nationalistic

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chaos of Neptune's discovery to the quite careful

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plate blinking that earned Pluto its brief time

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among the planets and finally its demotion. A

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reminder that science isn't just equations. It's

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also people, pride, timing, and sometimes the

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willingness to say we were wrong. Let's classify

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this properly. So once again, Happy holidays,

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Merry Christmas, Happy Solstice, and all the

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others that are out there. I'm so looking forward

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to the new year right here on Whimsical Wavelengths,

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and I really hope that you're going to join me.

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Yes, today's episode wasn't the star of Bethlehem,

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but we were looking at the wandering stars, the

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planets. Still kind of Christmas themed. I wasn't

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going to try too hard, don't worry. So if you

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It's really important. So I'll catch you guys

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in the new year with the new episode with my

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past PhD supervisor, Dr. Glynn Williams -Jones.

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Remember, I'm going to do that encore edition

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for the next episode in two weeks. I'll see you

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then. Swaying to rhythms as the galaxies fly

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by. Ooh, we're tuned in, feeling the beat of

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the unknown. Can you hear it? It echoes deep

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in our bones. Chasing down wonders, always seeking

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more
