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us as we wander off the path to find the ideas
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life. Welcome everybody to another episode of
Soul Decodes. And this is, let's see, it's...
November 14th, this is episode 65. I'm Dr. Tia
Jolie Phillips, a holistic natural health doctor
and also a world entrepreneur. I'm sitting with
prolific author and thinker and philanthropist,
Sarah Tirri. And Sarah, we have a special guest
today again. Yes, we do. We're doing pretty well
with our guests. Yes, we are. I'm enjoying it,
learning a lot, loving the conversations. Now,
this is going to be really neat because I happen
to know our guests, but you don't. So reveal
yourself. So I'm in the presence of David Wright.
And we're pretty good friends. We've known each
other for a couple of years. And probably for
half of that time, we've tried to get together
for a podcast. So welcome to Treehouse Studio.
Thank you for having me. And so tell us, in a
nutshell, she's going to get into some nitty
gritty because most of Sarah's books are about.
Mental health. About really mental health and
the journey of the soul, the spirit. Physical
health too, the mind. But Sarah knows nothing
about you. Nice. At least you haven't got to
work on your reputation. Most people are in your
category. They know nothing about you. So why
don't you just tell us, David, who are you and
what are you about? Tell us a little about your
journey. Okay. Well, I guess from the... the
career side of it. I've been a physical therapist
for just about 30 years now. And my, um, uh,
I guess my, uh, connection with Tia is more on
the holistic side, but that was not, that was
not at all the beginning of my path. In fact,
I, I was the guy who made fun of the person I
am now, the person. A lot of growth. Not easily.
No, it never is though, is it? No, I dug my heels
in the whole way. I was trained in a very traditional
physical therapy setting. Can I ask you, what
made you want to become a physical therapist?
Did that run in the family or was it a natural
inclination? I think it just goes back to, I
absolutely loved sports from, I mean, somehow
I just... It wasn't even from, I wasn't even
born into a sports family. Just, I absolutely
loved everything about sports, any sport. When
I was in early college, I had this hatchback,
old Datsun 210, and I had Frisbees, golf clubs,
basketball, football. roller skates or hockey
skates, um, goals, um, tennis rackets, racquetballs.
I never wanted to be in a situation where, um,
some guys would be like, Hey man, it's too bad.
We don't have a football. We could play in cause
I never wanted to miss out on this. So I just
loved sports my whole life. So just obsessed
with sports really. And the human body was fascinating
to me. Um, So then there's that difficult age
where you've got to figure out what you want
to do with the rest of your life, making career
choices. And I was always really good at things
like calculus and geometry and physics. I had
that kind of a mind. My dad was an engineer.
So I just figured I'd run the family, but I wasn't
necessarily interested in a career path that
way. But it was much more on the health. medical
side. And as I started getting into college and
doing just basic things like dissection of frogs,
cats and things like that, I was always the top
sheer tier of skill skill set. So I just had
great skills with my hands and I could always
touch people. Wow, that's good. So yeah. Yeah.
That's kind of grim though, having to dissect,
but that's part of it. Learning the anatomy,
isn't it? It wasn't, it didn't feel grim to me.
It was fascinating. It was interesting. So there
was, there was definitely. Was your dad okay
with you making that choice because he had an
engineering. Oh, he didn't care. He didn't care.
So that's, you didn't have to do it. It wasn't
that kind of a, you know, you got to follow the
family path. It wasn't like that. No, but, uh,
so yeah, I mean, I, I knew it was going to be
something medical and, um, It was really, I think,
the athletic side of it that got me into the
physical therapy side of it. But it was, I liked,
the body was a machine to me at that time. It's
changed. My mindset has changed. But I was really
fascinated at how the body functioned and how
you could facilitate change and growth and healing.
rehabilitation things like that surgery was fast
surgery was fascinating to me but ultimately
I decided I liked people interaction where they're
awake as opposed to you know working on a interesting
yes yeah so it's something you've been doing
for 30 years and you just mentioned that Who
you were 30 years ago isn't who you are now.
So how does it feel now? I mean, because you're
a healer and you heal people through physical
touch. And I was reading your biography and there's
many modes of healing. And one of the things
that I'm very interested in is the mind. And
what does that play a role in as far as you're
concerned with our well -being? Well, it plays,
it's the... It's the space. The consciousness
is really the space that we're working in. So
I didn't necessarily look at it that way years
ago. But it's taken a while to develop the model
that I have now. In fact, I say the model. I
remember having kind of an epiphany moment where
I said, my model is wrong. My model has to change.
And it really had to do with after. getting into
craniosacral therapy. Can you tell us a little
bit about that? Actually, let's dive, let's go
backwards. You went from chiropractic and body
mechanics, and then there was this leap to consciousness.
Can you fill in the blanks? Like there's a big
gap. Yeah, there's a little gap there. So just,
just, you know, I know, I know you, uh, through
local networking chamber events and such, but
for a person listening, like, what is it that
you do? Some of it is. some of it might be touched
in terms of chiropractic type of things, but
in terms of the energy, there's a lot of people
I've talked to that have worked with you who
there's no touch involved. It's energy. That's
right. So maybe you can fill in some of those
blanks for us. What was the cranial? The cranial,
obviously your head, isn't it? Craniosacral.
Craniosacral. It's a treatment modality. It's
not... specific to any discipline. Um, I'm a
physical therapist, but, uh, to you mentioned
chiropractic, uh, chiropractors can do craniosacral
osteopaths, massage therapists, osteopaths, I
mean, occupational therapists, nurses. It doesn't,
it's not limited. Uh, John Upledger is the, um,
developer of the curriculum that I studied. Um,
and he was an osteopath and he wanted to create
a curriculum that he knew the political world
that once an osteopath develops, um, a treatment
design. It now gets labeled and stamped under
osteopath. And now you have to be an osteopath
to it's ours. Now he didn't want that to be the
case. He wanted it. He recognized what it was.
So he wanted it to be available for any, anybody
who had, he recognized that there have to be
some laws and we have to maintain some. concept
of legality and protect people. So there need
to be some regulation of it. But as long as there
was a medical, you have some sort of medical
degree, medical provider, licensure, something
like that. Like I said, massage therapist as
well, that it was available. Cranio refers to
the head, as you were mentioning, sacro, or it
refers to the sacrum, which is the other end
of your spinal column. So the sacrum tail coccyx
is the other end. Yes, your tailbone. That's
right. So those are basically the bookends of
the system, the craniosacral system. So the head
to tail, so to speak. And his, he also had a
very interesting path, starting more traditional
and then got into more alternative things. And
it's a very interesting story, which I won't
go into details, but he discovered the rhythm
by accident assisting in a surgery. And they
saw the movement of the dural sheath, which is
the outer membrane of that system. And he had
not read any documentation that it moves, but
they witnessed it moving. So he started his own
exploration of how can you follow that movement?
And then he developed a theory and a treatment
model. It's basically. the movement of a fluid
that goes around your brain and spinal cord.
And that's always taking place. Just like your
heart is always beating. Your diaphragm is always
moving with every breath you take. So the craniosacral
rhythm is just an ongoing rhythm. And he developed
a curriculum where you could, if you're sensitive
enough to palpate that rhythm, then you could
monitor that rhythm. And that changed the way
that you, at least the way I approached. not
just the body, but really what it ended up as
Tia said, there was a big jump there, really
the universe as a whole, there are rhythms. And
I didn't really pay attention to the rhythms
and the currents of life. It was more structure,
the form of things. And I think that's just sort
of all of us are raised in a, in a certain way
where we pay attention to form, not the essence
underneath. And then once you had, you could
move on to the other issues that need needed
your attention. So when you, when you follow
the cranial rhythm, um, it, It's not, it transcends
what we were taught were boundaries of systems
like the circulatory system, the skeletal system,
the muscular system, the digestive system, the
cranial rhythm doesn't stop at the digestive
system and not go any further. It's kind of like
being out. If you're out in the ocean, the tide
is coming in and out. You may not feel it because
you're out in the ocean, but you are part of
that tidal rhythm. You can't not be. Now, unless
you're anchored to the ocean floor. If you're
anchored to the ocean floor, the tide is going
back and forth, but you're not moving in relation
to it anymore. And that's kind of what craniosacral
therapy became to me. You can feel this entire
rhythm in anything that is basically stationary.
It's a stagnant, non -movement type of pattern.
And it's not just a point. So what we were taught
in that curriculum is to notice what's not moving
in this overall sea of movement. It's the pattern
itself. of stagnation and that's eventually what
led to more of an energetic concept because it's
no long all the things that i felt like i knew
didn't really make sense anymore in that world
i can't just label this as epithelial cells or
a muscular cell or something like that or fluids
it transcended all that yeah so once you start
feeling these patterns you have to try to build
some or model, what is it that I'm actually feeling?
It's not just fluid. We were taught, okay, there's
a fluid that is moving at this rhythm, but what
is the actual rhythm? What's the energetic basis
of it? So that led to this process of practicing
craniosacral therapy. I would only do it as a
last resort initially. After I learned it, I
kind of made fun of it still. I told you that
was my... That was my mindset. Yes, you're making
fun of yourself now. What am I supposed to be,
this weirdo just sitting there quietly with his
eyes closed, putting his hands on people? You
know, that doesn't sound right. But inevitably,
when you're working with people and you're doing
basic physical therapy treatments, somebody is
going to not respond the way you think they should.
So two, three weeks into it, their back is still
hurting or their shoulder is still hurting. So
what I would tell patients, and I would actually
say I learned this weird thing. I would tell
them that. You know, a couple of years ago, I
learned this weird thing. I can put my hands
on people. I can feel this rhythm. I don't really
know how it works, but it's not going to hurt
you. There's no adverse effects. You want to
give it a try. So I never had anybody that said,
no, that sounds weird. They always said, sure.
And why is it something you do as a last resort?
You mentioned doing it as a last resort. I did
it as a last resort. Now it's what I do. But
in the beginning, it was because it was too weird.
I had my tried and true, approved, validated,
objective, evidence -based, whatever, whatever.
way of thinking the physical therapy model that
I was trained in and so when that failed and
it inevitably is going to fail at some point
okay I'll try something that I can't explain
something that I'm not going to necessarily hang
my hat on but it's something what success stories
do you have with regards to someone's healing
going from a really crappy situation to something
that feels like they're liberated A lot. There's
really quite a bit. I can go back to in the very
beginning. Some of those initial experiences
still are. They still stick with me, even though
I've seen a lot of things since then. There was
a woman that she had several years of left shoulder
dysfunction and pain, and she had been through
many doctors, never had any. firm diagnosis or
firm imaging that showed anything. That's frustrating.
Right. She couldn't get any help. She couldn't
get any even real diagnosis that made any sense.
And then there's no hope either, is it? Because
you have nothing concrete to go on. Nothing was
moving in any direction for her. And so she came
to me and I did my standard physical therapy
things and the same thing as everyone else. It
wasn't going anywhere. And so I said, same thing.
Hey, I can do this weird thing where I can feel
the rhythm, blah, blah, blah. So she said, sure.
And so I put my hands on her. And I should say
a lot of things have changed that I could probably
can't describe in just a few seconds. But when
I work with people, I would start to see in my
mind almost like a hologram. Like if you if you
can imagine what a hologram would look like,
it's translucent. So it's not fixed and it's
sort of vibrant. But I would close my eyes and
I put my hands on people and I could kind of
see. Uh, something like that. It wasn't like
an x -ray like, and you see in the movies when
people have these, uh, or they can see these
fields. I'm not denying that people don't see
that way. That's just not how it is for me. It's
not like a solid x -ray like that. Um, so I could
see, um, where their body, the, the hologram
of their body would be in a different position
or orientation than what I'm seeing physically
in front of me. Yes. Yeah. So I have a quick
question. This. This is fascinating because you're
talking about going from body and consciousness
and energetics. And this is awesome because we
talk about this a lot, the hologram. Many of
us have this working model of our bodies that
this is an avatar and that our soul or our consciousness
is populating this avatar. You've gone from this
very mechanistic viewpoint of the body now to
this energetic. You're dealing with this energetic.
aspect in the consciousness which i see is similar
but different but what is your viewpoint of our
bodies now do you do are they is the energetic
the imprint that you've got uh that you that
you interact with um is that um how does that
relate to the avatar I mean, what's your working
model of that? It's, yeah, working. It's not
concrete for sure. I'll just give you an example.
When I learned, so these cranial rhythms led
to other things and there are other rhythms.
Another curriculum is visceral manipulation.
And this other man, Jean -Pierre Brault, developed
a curriculum where you follow the organ movement.
There's rhythms. And so I would work with these
organs and feel these rhythms. And in time, I
would feel this, what I would call a field, like
an energetic field around it. And my initial
model was, oh, the cells, atoms, whatever is
generating this is creating some field around
it. So I'm okay. I'm okay with that until eventually
somebody is going to come in who doesn't have
that kidney, who. doesn't have that spleen, who
doesn't have that uterus, who doesn't have that
appendix, whatever it is. And guess what I'm
still feeling? I'm still feeling the energetic
field. It still moves. So that was another one
of those moments where my model, I think, is
broken. Something's wrong. If the cells generate
the field, then how could the field still be
there and the cells not be there? Which we just
talked about this. Remember I showed you, I might've
sent you a picture, Sarah, of a leaf. I told
you about it, but there was a leaf. and they
showed the energetic aspect of the leaf, and
then they cut the leaf and took the tip of the
leaf away. Is that Kirlian photography you're
referring to? Yeah, and so you remove the tip
of the leaf, but the energetic of the leaf is
still there, which begs the question for David,
what comes first, the energetic, and then the
body fills in the energetic mold, the morphic
resonance? Or, I mean, how is the... How is it
the energetic and the body are related? That's
my question. And we're talking about energy,
but then there's also this kind of a tertiary,
but it's actually common to both body and mind
or body and energy is the consciousness. You
know, how do you discriminate? Like when I'm
talking to a new client, I talk to them, I talk
right to their consciousness. And I ask them,
what is your desire? What do you want to happen?
Are you emotionally attached to your diabetes?
Do you want to be free of your diabetes? I want
them to tell me, as a conscious divine person,
what is your intention? What do you want? What's
the outcome do you want? So they have an energetic
aspect to them that is what it is, but I'm directly
interacting with their consciousness. So I guess
what I'm asking is, in your practice, how do
you deal with... The energy and how do you deal
with the consciousness? For me, I want people
to give permission or extend a willingness or
a desire for them to move forward. Do you deal
with any of those things when you're talking
with your clients? Well, it sounds similar to
when Jesus would approach someone, he would ask
them, what do you want? Right. Exactly. I want
to see I want to be able to walk or, you know,
I want my leprosy gone, something like that.
So he would have them speak in intent as well.
So that's a pretty strong precedent from to what
you're to what you're referring to. Um, there,
there's unconscious intent as well. And, um,
when I started doing cranial work, uh, up ledger,
I mentioned his name. He, uh, being a physician
had this concept of an inner physician. So he
referred to what he called the inner physician.
And he wrote a lot about that. And he would basically
say that here I am this doctor who has all this
training. And I don't know even a fraction of
what something, something inside of you knows.
What do we call that? So he called it your inner
doctor, your inner physician. So he would say,
what we're really trying to do in craniosacral
therapy is engage the inner physician. And because
that inner physician knows everything about what
the issue is and what. What's wrong and how to
fix it. But it's unconscious to the person. That's
right. Yes. And he didn't like using the word
unconscious because there was so much baggage
with certain psychiatry terms and Freud. Subconscious.
He used the non -conscious. Non -conscious. It's
semantics. It's tomato, tomato. But he just tried
to get away from the baggage of what people might
think of some woo -woo unconscious, you know,
concept. But that's essentially what he felt
we were working with is some concept of their.
of their unconscious self, but it had, um, intelligence,
tremendous intelligence, wisdom, wisdom. And
so he would dialogue that he used that term dialogue.
He would have a conversation with the person's
inner wisdom. And, uh, he has lots of stories
about that. I've done that as well. Um, it's
a, that approaches was also weird to me because
it's, you're not. It sounds all so strange. Oh,
I'm afraid this guy's going to hypnotize me and
make me cluck like a chicken. It has nothing
to do with that. You're simply supporting a rhythm
that's stuck, imbalanced. And as you support
it, the person goes into a relaxed state. So
do you get people in that relaxed state diagnosing
their own condition and telling you because they've
now got their inner doctor is now out in the
open? I think Upledger, you know, being a physician,
again, he knew some of the legalities of it.
He wouldn't say necessarily diagnosing because
that can carry some legal. um, uh, repercussions
with it. Exactly. So it's more of a, uh, like
you say, pinpointing it's, this is what's really
going on. We don't necessarily have to label
it, but yes. So some people would, um, you'd
have this conversation. And by the way, I don't
do dialoguing very much at all. I did for a while.
It was interesting. Uh, now it's much more just
using my hands and, um, uh, awareness, but in
the dialoguing approach, uh, he would say something
like, um, Uh, let's say I'm working with Tia
and Tia might say, um, I'm feeling this discomfort
in my shoulder, something like that. And, um,
the, the therapist might say something like,
oh, and what does this discomfort say? Or something
like that. And Tia might say nothing. It's not
saying anything. It's like a bitch. That's what
it's like. It could say that it could say it's
telling me you're a loser or something like that.
And then all of a sudden, oh, okay. And what
does Tia say? And then Tia is now talking to
the shoulder. If you want to call it that. It
sounds a bit woo woo, but it also sounds quite
logical in a way. It's something, it's some consciousness
intelligence within Tia that is driving the entire
situation. And the therapist is, is not attempting
to lead in any way because that's. There's a
no fingerprints, no footprints type of concept
with it. The therapist gets nothing out of leading
or creating impressions. It's simply trying to
support a process already taking place within
the person. How can we facilitate and support
that process? Because it's stuck. And we're using
the cranial rhythm to know what's stuck. This
pattern is stuck. Energetically, things are moving.
And when you feel something release and start
moving again, great. And then you know what was
stuck isn't stuck anymore. What is the most common
stuckness that you come across in terms of this
rhythm? There is one way of saying it's all the
same. So like if all of a sudden I decide I was
going to punch you, as we hear the gunshot. For
all you listening, you may not have heard that,
but we're up in the Treehouse studio. It's a
beautiful day. The windows are open. And in the
backyard, we just heard a .30 -06 or something
go. Right on cue. Right on cue. Wow. If the first
time when we met a few minutes ago, I had come
down and, you know, we went to shake your hand.
If I slapped you instead of shaking your hand,
that would have completely changed the way you
interact with me and maybe everyone else for
the rest of your life. And I don't know how many
times I'd have to come and extend my hand and
not slap you before you finally stop recoiling
from me. You may never stop recoiling from me
because you don't know. All you know is that
he slapped me that one time. Yes, and I don't
trust him anymore. Exactly. And it could be forever.
Or it could be 500 times that I shake your hand
without slapping you that now you actually extend
your hand as well. I don't know. Should I be
offering you grace? Yes. That's right. So everybody
has a recoil. There's a reluctance or resistance.
So across the board. I don't even necessarily
try to label that. It's just a it's whatever
that is. It's a recoil. I call it resistance
or stagnation, stickiness, something like that.
And when I start trying to label it, it gets
it starts to just create something that's not
actually there. We can maybe say there's some
fear involved or there's some every unpleasant
emotion. is unpleasant so we recoil from it every
unpleasant thought we recoil from it so it's
the recoil itself that i'm picking up on i'm
not trying to label you're recoiling because
of such and such so again going to the essence
when we start labeling it we're up at that form
level so when i'm doing work with people i'm
not trying to say oh it's because david slapped
you the first time he met you i honestly as the
therapist don't care i'm holding space for them
to be in that stuck state and then work through
it or not. They're free to do what they want.
I'm holding presence and space for them to do
that, but I'm not trying to push them through
it and say, you need to get over this. It's that
fear that you've been stuck. That is now trying
to push. That's trying to lead the session. So
it's the holding space. And it's got to come
from them. Always. And again, the therapist is,
when people call me a healer, I get it. I get
why they're saying that because here they were
hurting and now they're not hurting anymore after
I put my being in your presence made them better.
So it feels that way. So he must have done it.
It doesn't feel that way to me. I hold the space
for it. I observe things changing. I observe
the recoil, not recoil anymore. I call that a
release. Then I. feels something like what I
refer to as an unwinding. So you take the, if
there's glue on the ball of yarn and it's stuck
in that position, and then you dissolve the glue
and all of a sudden it starts unraveling, it's
unraveling itself. It's free to unravel. I'll
feel that usually after that release takes place,
but I'm just holding space for the ball to unravel
in its... own way i'm not trying to dictate oh
it's about time you unraveled man how long is
this going to take it's not it's not like scolding
them that's right or expecting anything there
are that's the point it's pure presence it's
acceptance oh this is what this is like this
is what it's like to feel sticky this is what
it's like to have your face slapped when you
thought you were going to have a hug this is
what it's like it's always a state of constant
oh this is what it's like this is what it's like
so that's a state of what i call presence and
acceptance that was lacking in the moment of
traumatic experience where there was an overwhelm
to whatever the system could handle acceptance
and presence wasn't lacking we were trying to
get away we were recoiling we were somewhere
else It's fascinating. I met someone and I can't
remember her name. And it was a shindig that
you had about a year ago. And your name came
up. And this person did experience a healing
as a result of knowing you. And she talked a
lot about it. And you had changed her life. She'd
gone from suffering to not suffering. And that
must be really rewarding for you to know that.
Whether it's you doing anything tangible or you're
just holding space. Whatever it is, you're improving
someone's life. So that just must feel, just
on a personal level, like you're adding something,
right? I mean, you're making a living out of
this, and it's something you're good at. But
alleviating someone's suffering, that's great.
I truly appreciate... That you're not approaching
your practice in a reductionist way. I love that
you're expanding the coverage of your therapy
instead of reducing it. There's so many medical
and. and healers and professionals that are reductionist
and this is their thing. So I just really like
that. I want to address the idea of stuckness.
You talked about stagnation and stuckness. And
this is a universal term, isn't it? That's what
it all is. We're all stuck if we're unhealthy.
What you do and what I do are so complementary.
It's crazy. Because I do, I speak to the consciousness.
You kind of do that. You're more on the energetic
side of consciousness. I'm like talking. Almost
no concern about the body. Almost none. I'm going
right for the consciousness. I want to know what
their conscious intent is. What is your desire?
Who are you? Why are you here? How can I help
you? I'm going right for the consciousness. So
I think it's fascinating to hear you. But that
said, I hear you talking about this communication
through or around or via. the cerebral spinal
fluid. And you and I have talked about the cerebral
spinal fluid. What is the purpose of this spine?
Is it a lubricant? So this, I'm going to let
him cover it, but I just want to ask the question
and then I'll let you address it. So what is
number one from Sarah's point? What's the purpose
of the CSF? From my point, my question would
be, as you're feeling people that are stuck,
right? They can either be stuck emotionally or
stuck. energetically. As a holistic doctor, I
get people that are stuck because of toxicity.
There's no kidding. Their system is so toxic
that it can't move forward. And this is where
dealing with an energy worker, I mean, this is
great because I can see if somebody's stuck,
you're working with somebody, they're just not
breaking free. They're not breaking loose. I
would love an opportunity to go and see if I
can help detoxify their cerebral spinal fluid
because in my world, the CSF can't be any more
pure or clean or powerful than is the plasma.
So I work on the plasma to clean up the plasma
because if the blood and the plasma are clear
and they're properly functioning, they're properly
oxygenated and they're properly ionized. then
that's going to be the best conduit to carry
nutrients, to carry electricity, to carry information.
So my question would be, do you ever perceive
in your awareness of their energetic state that
the congestion could be the fluid itself, that
they're so toxic, their chemistry is so polluted
that... There's nothing you can do with the consciousness.
It's not really what you're doing or the spinal
fluid. It's not what you're doing or the consciousness
or the energy. It's just that they're so toxic,
their body, their avatar is so polluted that
it can't hold that information or it can't transmit
that information. Is this way off track or do
you ever experience that? If someone came to
you and they were clearly very, very heavy and
they were difficulty breathing, would you think
there's anything that you're going to be able
to do? Because this would be toxicity, wouldn't
it? Yeah, so we threw a bunch at you, David.
So basically, what is cerebral spinal fluid?
How does it play into what you do? And does the
quality of the CSF... matter from your world
it matters in my world but does it and then what
do you do to get a better quality spinal fluid
um well i'll start with cerebrospinal fluid and
then i'll just say again that was an entry point
for me to where i am now so uh there are people
that have their own approach and they might refer
to themselves as an energy worker or a healer
or a therapist, and they may never have learned
craniosacral therapy. So I would never say that
craniosacral therapy is the answer. It was my
entry. I tell people, you know, when you plug
into your computer, there's an internet there,
and you might think that your computer is the
source of all this information, and it's just
interfacing. So craniosacral therapy was a beginning
for me. And it was, it was the introduction of,
um, movement beneath, you know, who pays attention
to the space that we're in. Most people don't,
we pay attention to the form. And so craniosacral
therapy was a introduction, uh, to paying attention
more of the space or the movement itself. Cerebrospinal
fluid is the basis of that. So cerebrospinal
fluid is this. specialized fluid that doesn't
exist anywhere in the body except within your
central nervous system. And it's created through
a filtration system. Certain cells are designed
to take blood and blood would be damaging to
your central nervous system if it was in its
unfiltered state. So that's why you have this
thing called the blood brain barrier, which is
a membrane system made of cells that filter.
So they don't let blood into the central nervous
system. And then there are a group of specialized
cells that are called the choroid plexus that
take that blood and then filter it and turn it
into this magical fluid. So it's basically blood.
It's just a filtered type of blood. And you're
absolutely right when you said, does it make
it, I think you said a lubricant. That is part
of it. It has several functions. One is a shock
absorption system. It does create a lubricant.
It also carries nutrients. It carries waste out
of it. So there's multiple functions of it. When
I started working with the cranial system, I
had never felt anything like that before. Had
I started with the visceral system, I would be
talking about how the visceral system is what
got me into this new pathway. When I started
feeling the cranial rhythm, it led me to... look
differently, so to speak, listen differently
to the body. That's when I started noticing other
rhythms, other currents, other frequencies. I
started noticing how do I know that's there?
How do I know that that's stuck and that's moving?
What am I paying attention to? So it was an exploration
in my own awareness. And you were asking yourselves
these questions. Sometimes consciously, intentionally
in my own mind, and then it just became more
of a general state. How do I know that's not
my... resistance that I'm feeling, things like
that. So it became an exploration in awareness
and that moved on beyond just craniosacral therapy.
So as far as cerebrospinal fluid goes. I don't
look at it as any more important than plasma
or blood. But it's the basis of it is blood.
So you'd have to have healthy blood to have healthy
spinal. And that's this filtration system is
so impeccable that it can take shitty blood and
turn it into something that's work. Our filtration
system is is greater than we were alive. And
that speaks to how great our filtration system
is, because, as Tia said, we're immersed in toxicity.
So we somehow survive all that. Tia was talking
about a little while ago, going from instead
of reduction, it's more expansion. It's the same
concept. I really don't focus on cerebral spinal
fluid in my sessions. The model of how you follow
and feel the cranial rhythm is based on cerebral
spinal fluid movement. That was useful. where
do I look? What, what would it even feel like?
You have to kind of ask yourself, what am I even
looking for? So if you have this concept, okay,
okay. The cranial system expands and contracts
roughly this many times. And we're told it's
about six to 12 cycles per minute. Okay. That
at least gives me a concept. And what would that
feel like? Well, imagine a big water balloon
that was the shape of your head, the shape of
your spinal column, all the way down to your
tailbone. Now imagine that was being filled with
water. And imagine that was being drained. Well,
what might that feel like? If you put your hands
on someone's arms, what would it feel like if
that balloon inside their body was expanding
and contracting, elongating and shortening? What
might that feel? You have to start somewhere.
And so the concept of cerebral spinal fluid isn't
something that I just sit there at all times
going, what's the cerebral spinal fluid doing?
What's it doing now? I don't really care about
the cerebral spinal fluid more than what's the
bone marrow doing? What's the lymph doing? All
those things are important. I still go back to
movement and non -movement, and that's more of
an energetic awareness that started somewhere.
But remember, I had a background already in what
do joints feel like? What does connective tissue
feel like? I had a very mechanical and anatomical
physiological based. physical therapy background.
So I know what fascia feels like. I know what
healthy joints, I know what an infield is like,
if it's a healthy and not healthy, there's a
spring. Oh, there's a rigid block, something
like that. So you take that background and then
you throw craniosacral concepts into it. And
it's going to be a little different than someone
has not necessarily the hands -on approach. Yes,
they're going to be a great craniosacral practitioner,
but they're not going to, a session with them
is not necessarily going to look the same way
as it would with me. So when I'm working on someone,
I'm actually not paying attention specifically
to the fluid and how can I clean this up? Where
is there stagnation? And I will be led there.
And this is with your eyes closed, seeing this
hologram that you're seeing on the back of your
eyelids. Is that how you're leading yourself
there? It's through feel. It's through physical.
I can physically feel it with my hands. And what
does that feel like? Is that a pulsating or is
it a warmth? Is it anything tangible? It's really
everything you can think of all at once. But
it's also, think of a magnet, how there's...
It's if, if I was the first person to ever produce
a magnet in the world, you'd think I was some
sort of wizard. And how are these things levitating
on their own? And how do I feel the force pulling
me and pushing me reverse the magnet the other
way? And now it's a repulsive force. How's that
happening? There's something like that, but it's
not limited to that. But coming from somebody
who was very, again, I had great skills with
my hands. That's where it started with me. That
was kind of always my bread and butter. It's
going to be different from somebody who, like
Barbara Brennan, is this woman who was an astrophysicist
and wrote these books on seeing auric fields.
She's got a totally different approach of seeing.
I say, I don't really know what she sees. She
describes it, but I don't see what she sees.
So she's connecting to the field, but I connect
to it. Very, very easily through tactile sense.
Then I start feeling it in my body. I close my
eyes. I see this imagery. I see sometimes colors,
shifting images, waviness, layers in front and
back. Very, very difficult to describe. And can
you translate that information to something tangible?
All these waves and shapes there meaning something.
Sometimes I will say something like, oh, that
is a portion. of the upper lobe of the lung.
And that was the nature of my question because
the reason I asked about the quality of the cerebral
spinal fluid is because it seems to me if you're
getting a very clear image and picture of this
person in front of you, that you would be able
to perceive the level of efficiency or the toxicity
or any blockages. associated with the quality
of the fluid? Because I know I can with the blood.
I can tell in a minute if somebody's blood is
not powerful. So I was just asking more from
a clinical perspective, but I wasn't suggesting
you're doing reductionist thought about what's
going on with the fluid. I was just more interested
in the energetics associated with the fluid and
if you could pick that up or not. That stagnation
or recoil could be held in any fluid? In any
tissue, in any joint. So why would I care if
it's in the capsule of the shoulder or the knee?
Is this synovial fluid? To me, again, it's the
recoil itself. It's the essence of recoil. That's
what's important. What screen it's being projected
on into the body. Who cares? As the therapist,
I'm not saying truly who cares. I'm saying as
the therapist, for me to hold space for it and
give it the support and the presence and the
acceptance, it can display itself on any cell,
fluid, structure, atom that it wants to. It's
irrelevant to me. It's interesting you say that
because a lot of times in my world, the manifestation
of the so -called disease, whatever it does,
it comes out in the weakest, usually the weakest
spot of the body. And it shows up there. And
that weakness preceded whatever is coming up
now. I get that totally. You're speaking my language
there. Quick question for you. You know, when
I hear you describing the layers of energy and
it's coming and going and there's different colors
and such. Sounds like an acid trip. Well, I was
just going to say the past two guests we've had
have had amazing testimonials, experiences with
plant medicine. And you're getting to that space
without it. I don't want to take away from what
we're talking about, but I want to see if you
have any opinions or any experiences with plant
medicine, hallucinogenics, mushrooms, anything.
I have no experience whatsoever. And I can see
how it would sound like a trippy. It did. It
sounded trippy when you were talking about it.
It is a place. People ask me all the time when
I'm working on them, doesn't this exhaust you?
And I say, are you kidding me? Where else would
I want to be? I'm in this place of some semi
-bliss state. Interesting. No, I get that because
people ask me, do you ever get tired? I never
get tired. No, you really don't. No, I don't.
It's like, what he's saying is gold. Like when
you're in the mix and you're just connected and
you're helping this person. And what's causing
this bliss? Is it because you know or you're
anticipating being helpful to another human being?
Or is this you've disconnected from your thinking
mind and now you're in pure awareness? Because
I meditate a lot and I can tell you that when
I'm in pure awareness, I do feel this bliss.
I can enter in and out of bliss. I could be driving
my car. I could be planting a plant. But this
blissful feeling will come. It's transitory.
It's a very nice feeling, but it sounds like
that you've entered into that. We've talked about
this before, whether even if you're playing bass
or if you're whenever you're in your zone. Well,
you've got to have an empty mind. You can't have
the uploading thoughts. So that's obviously where
you are. But David's in his zone, it seems like.
I mean, he's in his zone. In awareness. In awareness.
Yeah. I mean, I don't think it can be where he
practices. I don't think you can be there without
being completely present and completely aware.
Is that fair? I would say absolutely. There is
no attempt to heal the patient. There's no agenda.
It's not agenda -driven. From their point of
view, it is. They're coming to you to feel better.
Again, I know what it sounds like as I say that.
It sounds apathetic. It's a state of... of neutrality,
of pure acceptance, unconditional acceptance.
Meaning, again, it's observing, oh, this is what
it's like when you take the lid off of a boiling
pot. Oh, that's what that's like. That type of
freedom. Oh, this is what it's like. When the
pot goes, oh, this is what it's like as the pressure
builds. Oh, this is what it's like. I can't get
out of it. I can't get out. You're in that state.
I'm not trying to get them out of this boiling
pot or there's no attempt. It's just holding
the space. The process is already there. So I
think I would. not be effective if i tried to
rescue them and save them and get them out of
that if i was trying to heal them quote unquote
the fact that they're with you is their attempt
to rescue themselves isn't it that's why they've
they've come i think the entire thing is their
process i am supporting them and i use the example
with patients all the time of a spotter if you've
ever been in the gym and you've seen somebody
bench pressing or something like that maybe they
have 200 pounds on there and the spotter above
them sees the exact moment where they're starting
to fail and they tap on the bar maybe two pounds
the lifter is now pushing 198 pounds but they're
giving the credit to the spotter for saving them
that's a great that's a great analogy i love
that if they if they didn't catch them at that
exact moment all 200 pounds crushes down on them
now the spotter has to try to lift and rescue
this 200 pound if they are present and they know
exactly the moment to tap the bar that's cool
they barely do anything and that they're the
the spotter is saying You think I lifted that?
I didn't lift that. I touched it. I touched exactly
where you needed. You pushed with 198 pounds.
If I'm sitting there, I'm going to exhaust myself
if I'm lifting 200 pounds and we're doing 10
repetitions or something like that. Oh man, that's
gold. I love that. I love that. Thank you. Because
there's been a hundred times where I've been
spotting people and I literally put two fingers
under that bar. You can't lift even two pounds
with two fingers. But it's just the presence.
It's just being there. At the right moment. And
then they finish their personal best. It's like,
oh, thanks. I didn't even touch that. I swear
to you, I didn't touch it. And I love what you
said. I'm going to take that. Are they feeling
some of your uplifted energy in terms of feeling
blissful? Do you know what Shaktiput is? It's
what the gurus had in their ashrams. Just their
high vibration, if they got in the proximity
of someone or touched someone, they would get
a whack of the bliss that this guru is feeling
and it would just bring them out of some... Sometimes.
I mentioned Barbara Brennan a little while ago.
She did some kind of study where she... they
put some kind of measurement devices and recorded
EEGs of the therapist brain and the patient's
brain. And then they were also monitoring whatever
that frequency, the seven point something of
the magnetic frequency of the Gaia. Yeah. It's
the, it's Gaia, the Gaia frequency. And somehow
they noticed also, I think related to theta.
There was a moment where the therapist would,
their brain waves were in the same phase as the
earth. waves. And then shortly after that, the
patient's waves were in phase as well, aligned.
And then the so -called healing moment would
take place. Um, I'm not saying that's always
what happens, but I felt like I understood something
about what she's talking about because I'll experience
something. And then the patient will go something
like that. And maybe no words need to be expressed.
Sometimes I've mentioned teasing you before,
maybe the crying starts something like that.
Doesn't matter. There was a patient earlier this
week that I was doing a remote. Tia mentioned
I don't need to touch the person. I was doing
a remote session. We're not even talking. I have
it on mute. She's I don't even know where she
lives. She was experienced something on her end
that I didn't know. I felt a shift and this stuck
resistance pattern that was in what we call the
fourth energy center around the chest area and
into the throat. I felt it release. All I did
was say there's a release. But then what I felt
is this opening of what we call the crown or
the seventh energy center. And I stayed there
for quite a while. I felt it expand, blah, blah,
blah. And then so on and so on and so on. The
whole session went on. We talked about with the
patient. I talked after the session without me
telling her what I experienced. She described
she had difficulty getting through telling me
she's broke down multiple times because she felt
that she. It was in the presence of God. in the
presence of Jesus. Now that means something to
her, people who are not Christians. I don't even
know if she's a Christian. She may, maybe she's
not. It meant something to her. Every time she
tried to say it, we had to wait several minutes
for her to finish crying because it was so deeply,
I had no idea that was going on. All I did was
feel the energy that was stuck. It could not
move up through the body. And when it did, it
opened up and created its own. I didn't open
it. I just observed it opening and I held the
space for that to happen remotely. Didn't touch
her. Another patient that I did remotely, I feel
the same type of stuff. We talked afterwards
and she's, she, she laughs because she's, she's
had transformation in her life. She was debilitated
for many years. She's back to working. She loves
it. She's never feels anything. So after the
session, I said, did you notice anything this
time? She said, I didn't, but I'm glad you did.
And she jokes about that. And I said, you don't
have to, I'm, that's why you pay me to support
you because you, you can't feel it. She doesn't
feel anything in any session ever. And yet she
has made her entire family can't believe what
a change it's been in her life. So there's never
been an aha moment with her where she's come
off the table. I saw God. And yet there's this
other woman that I had no idea she was even experiencing
it. So, David, as people are listening to this
episode, they're hearing us talk about energy
and consciousness and, you know, all this stuff
and carillium photography and. How does somebody
put this together? If an average person listening
to the show is just listening in, how do they
know if they or somebody that they know can benefit
from talking to you? How does somebody know to
find somebody like you? Do they have to be at
the end of their chain and say, okay, I've tried
everything for my darn shoulder? I'm going to
go see David. I mean, probably. Yes, that is,
that is by far, that's probably 99 % of my clientele.
Because why would you go to some weirdo? By the
way, talking about energy, you know, in, in God
showing up in a session and, and lava lamp energy
movement. Why would you go to a person like that?
No, I appreciate that. Cause I, I have the same
thing. People call me, they're like, They're
at the weirdest spot in their life and they feel
like there's no other option but to call a holistic
doctor. But with you, you bounce it back to them
because you say that you're totally capable of
healing yourself. No, I don't say those words.
But you know that they have to do that. This
cannot come from me. There's nothing I'm going
to be able to do. It's all got to come from you.
This is very much what... See, I tell people,
it's like, okay, listen. You've got pieces of
the puzzle. I've got pieces of the puzzle. We
have to collaborate and work together. I'm going
to share things with you. You're going to share
things with me. And together, we're going to
figure this out. So I've got people now that
are having problems getting pregnant. I've got
three women right now that want to clean themselves
up to get pregnant. The physiological body part
of that is not always the problem. But talking
to somebody like David, Getting them past themselves
or getting that blockage, I'm visualizing just
a conversation with him. Truthfully, some of
them are toxic and we need to clean things up.
I mean, that's part of it. But I can see different
groups of people that would be very receptive
to this type of work. So when people on their
last legs come to you because they're desperate,
is it going to sound correct, like a conversion
rate? is your presence of benefit to most of
the people you see? Or are there some people
who are just beyond any type of help? They might
want it, but you can't reach them in any way.
I started to say it's beneficial to everyone
to an extent, but if a person doesn't even want
to participate, they don't want to even show
up for a session. But they wouldn't be with you
otherwise. That's right. They must have some...
Impetus to want to hear. They would have to at
least show up for the session. And that already
indicates that there's some willingness there.
Everybody, I feel something with every person
I work with. There's no doubt in my mind. I remember
when you were asking me about some of the profound
stories and I said, there's still some that stand
out with me. One of the first sessions I ever
had when I introduced this woo -woo weird stuff,
that's how I felt about it. I told the guy, he
had this, do you remember RSD? They used to call
it reflex sympathetic dystrophy. They don't call
it that anymore. He had a condition that is not
easily treatable. And he had hurt himself at
work. And I wasn't helping him doing my traditional
physical therapy stuff. I just said, listen,
I can do this weird thing where I can feel, you
know, energy. I can put my hands on. He's like,
all right, let's do it. Nothing else has helped
him. And he's been in a work cop for the, for
a long time. I put his hands on him, my hands
on it. I see this image where his arm, this is
his ankle, by the way, that he's, that's not
recovering. And I touch him and I see his body
with his arm sort of cocked up like this. I'm
like, Oh. what is this guy going to think if
i start working on his shoulder this is oh i
can't i hate this i hate this i hate this so
you can't ignore what you're seeing i'm seeing
it it's real in my mind so i go and i put my
hands and i start supporting his arm in his arm
it feels to me like a magnetic force is pulling
his arm to this state patients usually think
i'm moving the arm but after they get a little
more sensitive to it they start to go wow you're
really not moving it because they can feel especially
if i'm touching their leg and their arm starts
moving but his arm gets up here And he looks
sort of like he's looking through, he's laying
on his back on the treatment table, kind of like
he's looking through space. He just gets into
this weird state and he says, I was carrying
the hose. Like, I don't know what he's talking
about, but he was, uh, he was this one of these
yard guys that kill weeds or spray for whatever.
So he had stepped in a hole and rolled his ankle,
but his arm. the position that we got his arm
into, that was part of this traumatic moment
for him. I had no idea. I didn't, I didn't know
his mechanism. Um, but he went into some state.
I don't really know what happened with him afterwards
because I didn't get to keep treating him. And
he probably thought this whole thing was really
weird, but I can tell you from what I know after
years of doing this, that was an unlocking of
that stagnation process. And I, I don't know
how much better he got. I'll never know. Um,
but I believe he probably began a process of
moving through whatever he couldn't move through
before. And maybe it was a complete healing of
maybe that's the one thing he needed. And it
may have taken a few weeks to recover. Maybe
he was better by the end of the day. I really
don't know. But that's an example of even if
they don't come back or even if I never see them
again. I know something happened. I felt it.
I felt it really. It's not just that I felt it
stuck. I felt it release. So on my end, having
got the confirmation for me, I have now they
like the lady I spoke to on the phone that she
says she never feels anything. It's it's for
her. It's the proofs in the pudding. She feels
she's got her life back. Absolutely. And by the
way, she was one of the hardest people. for her
family to get in. It started with her grandparents.
Her grandfather had this miraculous one session
healing of his knee. I didn't, they, then her,
the grandmother had something, the mother had
something and they lived in Minnesota. They wanted
to fly him down. I said, listen, don't put all
that money into coming down. Like I'm some sort
of wizard guru. I don't know what's going to
happen. I didn't know these things were going
to happen. That's exactly. It's too much pressure
on coming down. Eventually they convinced her
to do it. She thought it was the weirdest, stupidest
thing. So even someone with that much reluctance
still had a life changing experience. I think,
again, she was willing to show up and I felt
a release. Things started moving. So they wouldn't
show up, I think, if there wasn't any willingness
whatsoever. So, David, backing away from the.
the immediacy of the clinical experiences you
have with these people. So this is one -on -one
stuff, like really intense, very focused. Backing
away from that, looking at the world around us,
I mean, Sarah and I, we feel the shift. We feel
energetic changes in the world around us. I perceive
on multiple levels energetic shifts in the world.
Where do you see this type of energy healing?
past, present, future. We're like, where are
we going? Where are we on the trajectory? Do
you see it being more and more welcomed or do
you think more people are looking for it? Or
is this, are they going to just not know until
they're blindsided? And then like, do you see
more people becoming aware of this type of modality?
Well, 200 years ago, I would already be burned.
You guys would be next for even having this conversation
with me. So, so the, just, it's obvious we're,
we're more. open and welcoming of this conversation.
I listened to audio books all the time. I don't
even know how many thousands of stories and books
there are of people telling their story and,
this was my intraday and I had this experience.
And then now I practice energy medicine or now
I teach people meditation. What I don't, there's,
there's an endless slew parade of those stories.
It's probably like that tapestry concept. These
are all points of. some huge tapestry and the
tapestry is being built in some way. It's obvious
we're moving in a direction. Um, I don't know
if you're familiar, probably you are with Bruce,
Bruce Lipton stuff, his concept of, of consciousness
driven, the way things are evolving is consciousness
driven. Sure. And the biology of belief. Exactly.
So you have, you have a single cell organism
in competition with others and they find that
cooperating works better and all of a sudden
they're a a larger more complex organism all
sacrificing their own individual needs because
their chances of survival are better if they
work together so there's this change and then
that but that's consciousness driven what would
drive cells to work together what would drive
people to work together if i don't like you and
I'd rather compete with you. There's not going
to be a change there, but something drives me
to want to cooperate with you. And now we're
a clan. Now we're a tribe. Now we're a nation.
So what, what's next for you? You're right now.
It's just you and your officer. Do you have a
staff? I mean, how, how many people are in your
clinic? Oh, well, when I realized what I could
do and I wanted to go in private practice, the,
it was such a transformation. What I was seeing
with patients, it, they would describe diseases.
going away changes in their life that I didn't
even necessarily know that they had. In fact,
I remember the difficulty I had saying I, but
there's no way that could have happened because
I didn't know. I didn't intentionally heal that.
I don't know what you're talking about. That
couldn't have been me. Once I realized what was
happening and I knew I had this ability to feel
what I feel, I wanted to go into private practice.
And my initial. plan was how many therapists
would line up to be able to do this. I mean,
there are probably. you know, a hundred therapists
ready at the drop of a hat to move out of their
traditional physical therapy role because they're
probably experiencing the same thing. And they
can't wait to have a platform where they can
just go be themselves, treat freely, let the
energy guide them. This is going to be amazing.
And you're experiencing bliss yourself when you're
doing this. I use the example of if I gave you
a puppy as a gift, I had to carry the puppy for
a little while to you. So I got that experience,
the bliss of. enjoying the puppy. It wasn't mine.
I gave it to you. It's something similar where
you're experiencing the same sort of blissful
state. I thought therapists are going to want
to do this. So I know what I'll do. I won't just
be self -employed as a sole proprietor. I'll
incorporate because I want to be able to have
a corporation where I can have probably 20 therapists.
I didn't even want to own a therapy practice.
I just wanted to create a platform where therapists
could do this. I started sending out, I remember
I looked at the Florida physical therapy, the
health department's list of all the therapists
in Florida. I sent paper snail mails out to every
therapist that was licensed in Florida saying,
if you are becoming more of a holistic therapist,
you're into this, this, this, and this. Uh, and
you want to have a platform to do that and treat
freely, you know, is not one response. Um, and
it, it started to become more and more that I
realized that I don't think it's going to work
the way that I thought it was. Is that something
you still want to do? I mean, no, I don't care.
No, I, I, it's almost like the same approach
that it's not apathy. You, you, you would do
it if it came, if it presented itself, you would,
I would think you would do it. I would hold space
for it. I would hold space and allow it. That's
what I mean. Hold space. Yeah. And, uh, but it
is no at the, in the beginning, I thought this
is going to happen. This would be a great thing
for, for the world. Um, it, it really is sort
of irrelevant to me now. I, I enjoy treating
as a, as an individual and, um, it also saves
a lot of headaches. I don't have to manage anything.
So no, my goals are just to stay a sole provider,
uh, until I. Can't do it anymore. Got it. Now,
Sarah's a prolific author. She writes children's
books. She writes adult books. A lot about spirituality,
consciousness. Sarah, based on what we covered
today, what questions do you have that we haven't
asked already? So, have you, outside of medicine
and healing, had any psychic tendencies, intuitions,
knowings that have come, and you don't know how
you've arrived at those answers? I can't. Uh,
I'm trying to think of any specifics. I think
that is, I think everyone has that. They just
don't necessarily pay attention to it or, um,
you know, bring it up in conversation. But I
know things like that come up in my office, people
that are reluctant to even ascribe anything to
what I'm doing in the beginning. Within a few
sessions, they want to tell me about some alien
experience or something that they've never been
able to talk to anybody about. But now they realize
everything's on the table. I mean, this guy's
as weird as they get. Yeah. He's not going to
be offended. Now my freak can come out. Exactly.
Time to let it fly. Yeah. So I think everybody
has intuitions and premonitions. In dreams and
imagery, you know, I work with that. Imagery
comes up for patients frequently. It comes up
for me a lot. It's to me, it's just, again, what
is in the field and it's taking some form. So
it premonitions, I believe probably are something
similar that you're, you're, you're simply accessing
information in the field, the field of consciousness,
it's all stored there and people access it differently.
Um, a lot of patients have referred to me as
psychic over the years. I don't like the stigma
of that. It sounds like I've got a crystal ball
or something like that. But when. You can say
it's reading. If I never knew how to read the
English language, it would seem like magic. If
I'm looking at this paper and I'm telling you
things that someone thought 10 years ago, and
now I'm recalling, I'm just reading. So if you
know how to read the field, that's all you're
doing. There's information that's stored there.
So I think everyone is reading the field. They're
reading it in their way. They're accessing the
information in their own way. You might call
it psychic and they're seeing things that I don't
see. It doesn't make it wrong. They've learned
how to read in a different way, but they may
not read what I can read. It's all information
available. Now, I write a lot about the mind.
So in terms of for me, I would say a healthy
mind is the crux of everything. How do you feel
about that statement? Healthy thought life. healthy
attitude towards self thinking I write it I wrote
a book called the mirror world and I talk about
the propensity that I had for thoughts uploading
in my mind that I didn't want there they were
stagnant thoughts they'd be part of the future
part of the past I can't change an argument I'd
have with my husband and I realized I just had
this whole thought system that was a default
setting running itself and so I learned through
meditation and mindfulness to be able to get
that out of my mind and just live in awareness.
Once I was able to do that, I felt healed and
happy and have done for years. But my problem
was in my thinking. And it was to do with a lot
of trauma I had as a kid that I had to work through.
You were carrying baggage like we all do. It
was my inability to not control my mind, which
was the issue. You can't be very efficient and
powerful when you're carrying all that baggage.
Nobody can. So when you learn to let go of that
baggage, and that's really what... trauma is.
You're just protecting yourself. There's baggage.
There's no way I can open that box. It's, it's
too painful. So we're going to wrap up because
I know you have other appointments and I'm grateful
to you, David, for coming to Treehouse Studio.
I do have a question. You know, we talk a lot
about your experience as a clinician, as a healer,
your interaction with other people, but in terms
of David Wright, the man operating, you know,
you've got your soul journey. Right. So here's
David moving through the space. You've got your
chapter now where you're the healer and doing
this thing. But to what degree to you, like you've
been talking about being reactive to the field
and interpreting the field, which to me, I pick
that up as a passive, passive interpretive action.
But to what degree do you deploy your consciousness
into the matrix, into the field? Oh, wow. That's
a great question. Well, personally, there's just
on a personal level. Yeah. You know, that concept
of if I get in the pool and there's 20 other
people in the pool, I'm affecting all of them
just by my presence in the pool because the,
the water level has risen to some degree. So,
um, I know I'm affecting it because I'm in it.
Cause I have a tangential question. There's a
follow on question, but so you're okay. So you're,
we acknowledge that our presence alone affects.
what's around us well according to rupert sheldrake
our presence allows other people once we've elevated
our vibration having done that to ourselves makes
it easier for other people to do the same so
it's by default that they can benefit to some
extent so i'm going to follow up with with something
very personal to me that i personally do and
um i i literally bathe people in energy positive
loving unconditional energy so an example would
be i go to the store and i see a family squabble
or some some dissonance within a family at the
post office or store i will literally be there
and i will literally visually hug the whole group
just in infinite love and just and i will literally
see them change now here's my question without
their conscious willingness am i transgressing
them huh by changing by biasing on this question
by biasing the field am i transgressing them
or should i allow them to be in that space Because
I do see differences the moment, within moments
of me bathing them with this positive energy.
How could it be wrong if you're uplifting them?
Well, because it's not, I'm not asking. You think
you're right about interfering with their free
will? I'm not asking their permission. That's
right. So I'm wondering, what's your take on
that? I have some convictions about always having
permission. That doesn't mean I have to have
a verbal, when they come to the office, they're
giving me their permission. They wouldn't come
without their, they're not, and I mean, I'm not.
dragging them into my room. Well, what if there
was no intention for me to bias the outcome?
Like you're entering your clinical environment
without biasing the outcome. What if I came into
the pool and I was bright and I was singing a
song and just enjoying life and it happened to
bias somebody else? I'm not sure that there's
one answer to that. I mean, so if you come across
a person drowning. And you say, do I have your
consent? You know, they're under the water. You
know, they can't give you their consent. Maybe
they're already drowned and you pull them out
and you start giving them CPR or something. So
that's a, you know, kind of a ridiculous example.
I think that's very fair because I've acknowledged
this. I've seen so many people, they must bottom
out. To what degree do you, to what people have
to bottom out. They have to go through hell to
get to heaven. And so I don't want to interfere
if they're in the process of bottoming out so
they can come. and resurrect themselves and ascend,
I don't want to interfere with that process.
So with you then, when you walk into the post
office and you can see a tricky situation, you
want to come with all your energy, you could
say, have you said to yourself, is my presence
needed here or should I just back off? And that
would be a prayer to the universe because you
have the capacity to uplift people. You're at
odds with it because you're wondering if you're
interfering with their free will. And that's
a really good perspective. Again, you know, when
I enter that world, I don't want to interfere
with their divine sovereignty, right? That would
be when you would ask permission then. Well,
this is where I would say, to whom do I ask permission?
God, the greater field. The greater field. Yes,
angels, whatever. So that's where the intuition
comes in. Yes, exactly. Is this person drowning
because they need to experience that near -death
experience so they can enjoy life? or they legitimately
do they need my help yeah and that's where you
have to be in touch with your greater atmosphere
to get that guidance because you've got the power
obviously fair did you ever read that uh autobiography
of a yogi with uh yogananda i've not paramahansa
yogananda he was yes i have i've listened to
it you should listen to it it's on youtube yeah
he there's a so there's great magnificent feats
that they his his guru teacher uh he observed
and then he performed himself so miraculous type
things one of them that he described was i think
it was a deer and the students were all upset
that this deer had died and he supposedly according
to the story resurrected the deer but he was
told by the deer what are you doing mind your
own bloody business I didn't want this. I had
lived, I had lived, I had lived my life. I had
finished. Oh yeah. You've just interfered. Thank
you for sharing that. I mean, this is good for
me. That might actually help you. That was going
to help me. So David, I don't want to, I want
to respect your time. What closing thoughts?
Has this been a good experience? It's been great
for us. I've enjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah. It's been
great. Sarah. Fascinating. And you look very
happy. I can feel happiness around you. That's
nice. I think you've got a really good job. I
think it's useful. I believe in reincarnation.
So for me, this would be in your life plan. Do
you feel that you're doing what you were born
to do? I didn't know this at, you know, 20, 25,
30 years ago, but I do. You do. Looking back,
you can see that this is all supposed to be happening.
I can see my religious upbringing, what that.
role, what role it played. I can see the political
upbringing. I can see the medical upbringing.
I can see how I had to fight and kick and buck
and dig my heels in, in a certain, you said hitting
rock bottom, sometimes emotionally, sometimes
intellectually, whatever it might be to create
a contrast in your life. Something to, we talk
about all the time. We're always talking about
this stuff. Well, David, in closing, do you have
any final thoughts for any listeners that are
kind of new to this space just before we wrap
up? Um, if they're new to the space, um, you
know, I was new to the space and I'm constantly
reminded when people, you know, that look that
it looks like there's a horn grown out of your
head that people look at you. I don't know if
anybody ever gets that look. I do. When I talk,
when I talk, people are going, what is this guy
on type of thing? Um, I'm used to that. And I
always. remind myself i was them looking at the
guys like me and so i know i can be a hypocrite
absolutely i i i know what it's like to look
at people talking that way and in some ways i
believe part of my purpose that you mentioned
uh i think it's kind of being a bridge because
i can see what it was like and you're talking
to a pretty rational logical concrete thinker
who now is Mr. This cosmic joke was played on
him to, you have to let go of that in order to
experience what this gift or what this skill
is. And you can't use your training in all this
knowledge. It doesn't help in that, in that arena.
So, um, I know what it's like for people that
are very new to that. I made, I'm telling you,
I made fun of, I'm not proud of it, but I'm that,
that was, that was my background. I understand
now what I was doing and I was afraid of it and
things like that. Um, so over time you got over
that. That's right. Other people over time can
get, but I wasn't raised, you know, I wasn't
called moonflower. You know, I wasn't my, it
wasn't like that. We can start that. So, so I
know what it's like to have come from a extremely
fundamental conservative type of upbringing and
then experience for yourself. No one else. You're
alone. You're, you're experiencing on your own.
You can't deny. It's one thing. If someone tells
these stories, I've read all these books and
I've read all these stories. They're all cool.
I'm on the front line of this. I can't deny it.
So I realize now what it's like to be like that.
So for people that are getting these people,
if they're getting their feet wet and you're
making fun of all this and you're like, I'm not
going to be one of those weirdos. I. I get it
completely. You are preaching to the choir. I
tell people when they look at me a certain way,
some people, they look at me like I'm wearing
a white robe and I'm floating above them. And
that's inappropriate as well. I tell them I'm
just as sick as you are in the hospital bed beside
you. I'm trying to reach over and pull your cover
up for you, but I'm telling you I'm struggling
with the same stuff. So for people that are just
not so sure, is that real? Is that what? That's
okay. I mean, you don't have to become something.
You don't have to fight. You don't have to follow
my path. You don't have to, it it's your path.
It'll unfold in your way in its time. And you
don't have to become a therapist and you don't
have to become a meditator. It, it will unfold
in its way when people are, you know, that whole,
when the student is ready, the teacher appears
and the teacher is ready. The student appeared
that, you know, vice it'll happen. So. Very relaxed
approach to it. Yeah, this is very, very good.
David, thanks for coming to the Treehouse. Thank
you. It's been a long time. I've wanted to have
you as a guest for so long. Thank you for your
persistence. Oh, you're welcome. How do people
get a hold of you? Oh, you mean for a session?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, if they have questions or
if they want a session or, I mean, do you have
a website? I do. It's pain -free physical therapy.
When I started my practice dot com, it is when
I started my practice, one of my patients, I
used to bark at my patients all the time when
I did traditional physical therapy. Pain -free
range of motion only. Pain -free range of motion
only. I wanted them to hear when they were in
bed at night. And one of my patients said, if
you ever open your own practice and go into private
practice, I know what the name of your company
should be. I said, get to give it to me. And
she said, pain -free physical therapy. It's like
a little angel talking to you. I like it. So
pain -free physical therapy. And you have a contact
form. They just fill out the form. If they go
to painfreephysicaltherapy .com, there's a phone
number. There's email. They're my schedule. They
can click on my schedule. if they just want to
go right to scheduling appointments. That's awesome.
And I'll put the links, your links in the show
notes. Sarah, anything else for our people? No,
I just want to thank you for coming on. I've
really enjoyed talking to you. And I like your
approach. It's very what will be with, you're
not forcing anything. I mean, I believe that
everyone is going to make it eventually. They
have to go through their traumas and dramas,
hit rock bottom and come out of it. You're there
for them. Or if they need to stay in it, then
that's fine with you as well. You don't have
any agenda. You know what's interesting is they
don't stay in it. When you have that agenda to
hold space. They move through it. That's what's
fascinating about it. If you're trying to push
them, they don't. But you're exactly right. Yeah,
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