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Enjoy the show. Welcome to Soul Decodes. Join

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us as we wander off the path to find the ideas

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that fascinate. We talk about spirituality, the

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mind, the ego, wellness and hidden history with

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tips, travels and tales. Charms for a better

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life. Welcome everybody to another episode of

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Soul Decodes. And this is, let's see, it's...

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November 14th, this is episode 65. I'm Dr. Tia

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Jolie Phillips, a holistic natural health doctor

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and also a world entrepreneur. I'm sitting with

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prolific author and thinker and philanthropist,

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Sarah Tirri. And Sarah, we have a special guest

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today again. Yes, we do. We're doing pretty well

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with our guests. Yes, we are. I'm enjoying it,

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learning a lot, loving the conversations. Now,

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this is going to be really neat because I happen

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to know our guests, but you don't. So reveal

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yourself. So I'm in the presence of David Wright.

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And we're pretty good friends. We've known each

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other for a couple of years. And probably for

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half of that time, we've tried to get together

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for a podcast. So welcome to Treehouse Studio.

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Thank you for having me. And so tell us, in a

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nutshell, she's going to get into some nitty

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gritty because most of Sarah's books are about.

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Mental health. About really mental health and

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the journey of the soul, the spirit. Physical

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health too, the mind. But Sarah knows nothing

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about you. Nice. At least you haven't got to

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work on your reputation. Most people are in your

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category. They know nothing about you. So why

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don't you just tell us, David, who are you and

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what are you about? Tell us a little about your

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journey. Okay. Well, I guess from the... the

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career side of it. I've been a physical therapist

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for just about 30 years now. And my, um, uh,

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I guess my, uh, connection with Tia is more on

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the holistic side, but that was not, that was

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not at all the beginning of my path. In fact,

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I, I was the guy who made fun of the person I

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am now, the person. A lot of growth. Not easily.

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No, it never is though, is it? No, I dug my heels

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in the whole way. I was trained in a very traditional

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physical therapy setting. Can I ask you, what

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made you want to become a physical therapist?

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Did that run in the family or was it a natural

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inclination? I think it just goes back to, I

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absolutely loved sports from, I mean, somehow

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I just... It wasn't even from, I wasn't even

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born into a sports family. Just, I absolutely

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loved everything about sports, any sport. When

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I was in early college, I had this hatchback,

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old Datsun 210, and I had Frisbees, golf clubs,

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basketball, football. roller skates or hockey

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skates, um, goals, um, tennis rackets, racquetballs.

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I never wanted to be in a situation where, um,

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some guys would be like, Hey man, it's too bad.

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We don't have a football. We could play in cause

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I never wanted to miss out on this. So I just

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loved sports my whole life. So just obsessed

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with sports really. And the human body was fascinating

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to me. Um, So then there's that difficult age

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where you've got to figure out what you want

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to do with the rest of your life, making career

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choices. And I was always really good at things

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like calculus and geometry and physics. I had

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that kind of a mind. My dad was an engineer.

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So I just figured I'd run the family, but I wasn't

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necessarily interested in a career path that

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way. But it was much more on the health. medical

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side. And as I started getting into college and

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doing just basic things like dissection of frogs,

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cats and things like that, I was always the top

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sheer tier of skill skill set. So I just had

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great skills with my hands and I could always

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touch people. Wow, that's good. So yeah. Yeah.

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That's kind of grim though, having to dissect,

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but that's part of it. Learning the anatomy,

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isn't it? It wasn't, it didn't feel grim to me.

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It was fascinating. It was interesting. So there

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was, there was definitely. Was your dad okay

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with you making that choice because he had an

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engineering. Oh, he didn't care. He didn't care.

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So that's, you didn't have to do it. It wasn't

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that kind of a, you know, you got to follow the

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family path. It wasn't like that. No, but, uh,

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so yeah, I mean, I, I knew it was going to be

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something medical and, um, It was really, I think,

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the athletic side of it that got me into the

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physical therapy side of it. But it was, I liked,

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the body was a machine to me at that time. It's

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changed. My mindset has changed. But I was really

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fascinated at how the body functioned and how

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you could facilitate change and growth and healing.

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rehabilitation things like that surgery was fast

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surgery was fascinating to me but ultimately

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I decided I liked people interaction where they're

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awake as opposed to you know working on a interesting

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yes yeah so it's something you've been doing

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for 30 years and you just mentioned that Who

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you were 30 years ago isn't who you are now.

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So how does it feel now? I mean, because you're

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a healer and you heal people through physical

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touch. And I was reading your biography and there's

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many modes of healing. And one of the things

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that I'm very interested in is the mind. And

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what does that play a role in as far as you're

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concerned with our well -being? Well, it plays,

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it's the... It's the space. The consciousness

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is really the space that we're working in. So

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I didn't necessarily look at it that way years

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ago. But it's taken a while to develop the model

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that I have now. In fact, I say the model. I

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remember having kind of an epiphany moment where

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I said, my model is wrong. My model has to change.

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And it really had to do with after. getting into

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craniosacral therapy. Can you tell us a little

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bit about that? Actually, let's dive, let's go

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backwards. You went from chiropractic and body

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mechanics, and then there was this leap to consciousness.

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Can you fill in the blanks? Like there's a big

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gap. Yeah, there's a little gap there. So just,

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just, you know, I know, I know you, uh, through

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local networking chamber events and such, but

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for a person listening, like, what is it that

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you do? Some of it is. some of it might be touched

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in terms of chiropractic type of things, but

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in terms of the energy, there's a lot of people

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I've talked to that have worked with you who

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there's no touch involved. It's energy. That's

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right. So maybe you can fill in some of those

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blanks for us. What was the cranial? The cranial,

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obviously your head, isn't it? Craniosacral.

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Craniosacral. It's a treatment modality. It's

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not... specific to any discipline. Um, I'm a

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physical therapist, but, uh, to you mentioned

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chiropractic, uh, chiropractors can do craniosacral

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osteopaths, massage therapists, osteopaths, I

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mean, occupational therapists, nurses. It doesn't,

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it's not limited. Uh, John Upledger is the, um,

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developer of the curriculum that I studied. Um,

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and he was an osteopath and he wanted to create

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a curriculum that he knew the political world

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that once an osteopath develops, um, a treatment

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design. It now gets labeled and stamped under

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osteopath. And now you have to be an osteopath

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to it's ours. Now he didn't want that to be the

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case. He wanted it. He recognized what it was.

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So he wanted it to be available for any, anybody

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who had, he recognized that there have to be

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some laws and we have to maintain some. concept

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of legality and protect people. So there need

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to be some regulation of it. But as long as there

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was a medical, you have some sort of medical

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degree, medical provider, licensure, something

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like that. Like I said, massage therapist as

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well, that it was available. Cranio refers to

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the head, as you were mentioning, sacro, or it

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refers to the sacrum, which is the other end

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of your spinal column. So the sacrum tail coccyx

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is the other end. Yes, your tailbone. That's

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right. So those are basically the bookends of

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the system, the craniosacral system. So the head

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to tail, so to speak. And his, he also had a

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very interesting path, starting more traditional

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and then got into more alternative things. And

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it's a very interesting story, which I won't

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go into details, but he discovered the rhythm

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by accident assisting in a surgery. And they

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saw the movement of the dural sheath, which is

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the outer membrane of that system. And he had

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not read any documentation that it moves, but

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they witnessed it moving. So he started his own

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exploration of how can you follow that movement?

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And then he developed a theory and a treatment

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model. It's basically. the movement of a fluid

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that goes around your brain and spinal cord.

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And that's always taking place. Just like your

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heart is always beating. Your diaphragm is always

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moving with every breath you take. So the craniosacral

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rhythm is just an ongoing rhythm. And he developed

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a curriculum where you could, if you're sensitive

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enough to palpate that rhythm, then you could

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monitor that rhythm. And that changed the way

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that you, at least the way I approached. not

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just the body, but really what it ended up as

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Tia said, there was a big jump there, really

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the universe as a whole, there are rhythms. And

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I didn't really pay attention to the rhythms

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and the currents of life. It was more structure,

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the form of things. And I think that's just sort

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of all of us are raised in a, in a certain way

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where we pay attention to form, not the essence

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underneath. And then once you had, you could

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move on to the other issues that need needed

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your attention. So when you, when you follow

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the cranial rhythm, um, it, It's not, it transcends

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what we were taught were boundaries of systems

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like the circulatory system, the skeletal system,

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the muscular system, the digestive system, the

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cranial rhythm doesn't stop at the digestive

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system and not go any further. It's kind of like

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being out. If you're out in the ocean, the tide

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is coming in and out. You may not feel it because

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you're out in the ocean, but you are part of

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that tidal rhythm. You can't not be. Now, unless

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you're anchored to the ocean floor. If you're

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anchored to the ocean floor, the tide is going

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back and forth, but you're not moving in relation

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to it anymore. And that's kind of what craniosacral

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therapy became to me. You can feel this entire

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rhythm in anything that is basically stationary.

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It's a stagnant, non -movement type of pattern.

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And it's not just a point. So what we were taught

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in that curriculum is to notice what's not moving

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in this overall sea of movement. It's the pattern

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itself. of stagnation and that's eventually what

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led to more of an energetic concept because it's

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no long all the things that i felt like i knew

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didn't really make sense anymore in that world

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i can't just label this as epithelial cells or

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a muscular cell or something like that or fluids

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it transcended all that yeah so once you start

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feeling these patterns you have to try to build

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some or model, what is it that I'm actually feeling?

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It's not just fluid. We were taught, okay, there's

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a fluid that is moving at this rhythm, but what

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is the actual rhythm? What's the energetic basis

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of it? So that led to this process of practicing

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craniosacral therapy. I would only do it as a

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last resort initially. After I learned it, I

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kind of made fun of it still. I told you that

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was my... That was my mindset. Yes, you're making

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fun of yourself now. What am I supposed to be,

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this weirdo just sitting there quietly with his

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eyes closed, putting his hands on people? You

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know, that doesn't sound right. But inevitably,

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when you're working with people and you're doing

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basic physical therapy treatments, somebody is

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going to not respond the way you think they should.

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So two, three weeks into it, their back is still

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hurting or their shoulder is still hurting. So

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what I would tell patients, and I would actually

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say I learned this weird thing. I would tell

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them that. You know, a couple of years ago, I

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learned this weird thing. I can put my hands

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on people. I can feel this rhythm. I don't really

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know how it works, but it's not going to hurt

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you. There's no adverse effects. You want to

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give it a try. So I never had anybody that said,

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no, that sounds weird. They always said, sure.

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And why is it something you do as a last resort?

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You mentioned doing it as a last resort. I did

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it as a last resort. Now it's what I do. But

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in the beginning, it was because it was too weird.

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I had my tried and true, approved, validated,

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objective, evidence -based, whatever, whatever.

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way of thinking the physical therapy model that

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I was trained in and so when that failed and

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it inevitably is going to fail at some point

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okay I'll try something that I can't explain

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something that I'm not going to necessarily hang

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my hat on but it's something what success stories

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do you have with regards to someone's healing

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going from a really crappy situation to something

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that feels like they're liberated A lot. There's

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really quite a bit. I can go back to in the very

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beginning. Some of those initial experiences

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still are. They still stick with me, even though

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I've seen a lot of things since then. There was

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a woman that she had several years of left shoulder

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dysfunction and pain, and she had been through

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many doctors, never had any. firm diagnosis or

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firm imaging that showed anything. That's frustrating.

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Right. She couldn't get any help. She couldn't

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get any even real diagnosis that made any sense.

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And then there's no hope either, is it? Because

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you have nothing concrete to go on. Nothing was

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moving in any direction for her. And so she came

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to me and I did my standard physical therapy

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things and the same thing as everyone else. It

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wasn't going anywhere. And so I said, same thing.

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Hey, I can do this weird thing where I can feel

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the rhythm, blah, blah, blah. So she said, sure.

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And so I put my hands on her. And I should say

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a lot of things have changed that I could probably

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can't describe in just a few seconds. But when

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I work with people, I would start to see in my

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mind almost like a hologram. Like if you if you

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can imagine what a hologram would look like,

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it's translucent. So it's not fixed and it's

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sort of vibrant. But I would close my eyes and

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I put my hands on people and I could kind of

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see. Uh, something like that. It wasn't like

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an x -ray like, and you see in the movies when

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people have these, uh, or they can see these

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fields. I'm not denying that people don't see

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that way. That's just not how it is for me. It's

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not like a solid x -ray like that. Um, so I could

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see, um, where their body, the, the hologram

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of their body would be in a different position

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or orientation than what I'm seeing physically

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in front of me. Yes. Yeah. So I have a quick

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question. This. This is fascinating because you're

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talking about going from body and consciousness

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and energetics. And this is awesome because we

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talk about this a lot, the hologram. Many of

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us have this working model of our bodies that

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this is an avatar and that our soul or our consciousness

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is populating this avatar. You've gone from this

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very mechanistic viewpoint of the body now to

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this energetic. You're dealing with this energetic.

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aspect in the consciousness which i see is similar

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but different but what is your viewpoint of our

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bodies now do you do are they is the energetic

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the imprint that you've got uh that you that

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you interact with um is that um how does that

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relate to the avatar I mean, what's your working

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model of that? It's, yeah, working. It's not

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concrete for sure. I'll just give you an example.

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When I learned, so these cranial rhythms led

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to other things and there are other rhythms.

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Another curriculum is visceral manipulation.

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And this other man, Jean -Pierre Brault, developed

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a curriculum where you follow the organ movement.

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There's rhythms. And so I would work with these

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organs and feel these rhythms. And in time, I

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would feel this, what I would call a field, like

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an energetic field around it. And my initial

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model was, oh, the cells, atoms, whatever is

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generating this is creating some field around

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it. So I'm okay. I'm okay with that until eventually

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somebody is going to come in who doesn't have

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that kidney, who. doesn't have that spleen, who

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doesn't have that uterus, who doesn't have that

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appendix, whatever it is. And guess what I'm

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still feeling? I'm still feeling the energetic

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field. It still moves. So that was another one

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of those moments where my model, I think, is

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broken. Something's wrong. If the cells generate

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the field, then how could the field still be

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there and the cells not be there? Which we just

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talked about this. Remember I showed you, I might've

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sent you a picture, Sarah, of a leaf. I told

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you about it, but there was a leaf. and they

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showed the energetic aspect of the leaf, and

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then they cut the leaf and took the tip of the

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leaf away. Is that Kirlian photography you're

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referring to? Yeah, and so you remove the tip

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of the leaf, but the energetic of the leaf is

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still there, which begs the question for David,

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what comes first, the energetic, and then the

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body fills in the energetic mold, the morphic

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resonance? Or, I mean, how is the... How is it

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the energetic and the body are related? That's

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my question. And we're talking about energy,

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but then there's also this kind of a tertiary,

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but it's actually common to both body and mind

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or body and energy is the consciousness. You

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know, how do you discriminate? Like when I'm

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talking to a new client, I talk to them, I talk

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right to their consciousness. And I ask them,

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what is your desire? What do you want to happen?

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Are you emotionally attached to your diabetes?

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Do you want to be free of your diabetes? I want

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them to tell me, as a conscious divine person,

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what is your intention? What do you want? What's

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the outcome do you want? So they have an energetic

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aspect to them that is what it is, but I'm directly

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interacting with their consciousness. So I guess

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what I'm asking is, in your practice, how do

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you deal with... The energy and how do you deal

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with the consciousness? For me, I want people

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to give permission or extend a willingness or

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a desire for them to move forward. Do you deal

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with any of those things when you're talking

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with your clients? Well, it sounds similar to

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when Jesus would approach someone, he would ask

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them, what do you want? Right. Exactly. I want

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to see I want to be able to walk or, you know,

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I want my leprosy gone, something like that.

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So he would have them speak in intent as well.

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So that's a pretty strong precedent from to what

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you're to what you're referring to. Um, there,

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there's unconscious intent as well. And, um,

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when I started doing cranial work, uh, up ledger,

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I mentioned his name. He, uh, being a physician

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had this concept of an inner physician. So he

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referred to what he called the inner physician.

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And he wrote a lot about that. And he would basically

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say that here I am this doctor who has all this

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training. And I don't know even a fraction of

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what something, something inside of you knows.

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What do we call that? So he called it your inner

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doctor, your inner physician. So he would say,

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what we're really trying to do in craniosacral

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therapy is engage the inner physician. And because

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that inner physician knows everything about what

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the issue is and what. What's wrong and how to

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fix it. But it's unconscious to the person. That's

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right. Yes. And he didn't like using the word

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unconscious because there was so much baggage

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with certain psychiatry terms and Freud. Subconscious.

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He used the non -conscious. Non -conscious. It's

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semantics. It's tomato, tomato. But he just tried

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to get away from the baggage of what people might

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think of some woo -woo unconscious, you know,

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concept. But that's essentially what he felt

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we were working with is some concept of their.

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of their unconscious self, but it had, um, intelligence,

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tremendous intelligence, wisdom, wisdom. And

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so he would dialogue that he used that term dialogue.

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He would have a conversation with the person's

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inner wisdom. And, uh, he has lots of stories

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about that. I've done that as well. Um, it's

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a, that approaches was also weird to me because

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it's, you're not. It sounds all so strange. Oh,

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I'm afraid this guy's going to hypnotize me and

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make me cluck like a chicken. It has nothing

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to do with that. You're simply supporting a rhythm

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that's stuck, imbalanced. And as you support

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it, the person goes into a relaxed state. So

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do you get people in that relaxed state diagnosing

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their own condition and telling you because they've

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now got their inner doctor is now out in the

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open? I think Upledger, you know, being a physician,

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again, he knew some of the legalities of it.

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He wouldn't say necessarily diagnosing because

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that can carry some legal. um, uh, repercussions

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with it. Exactly. So it's more of a, uh, like

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you say, pinpointing it's, this is what's really

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going on. We don't necessarily have to label

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it, but yes. So some people would, um, you'd

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have this conversation. And by the way, I don't

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do dialoguing very much at all. I did for a while.

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It was interesting. Uh, now it's much more just

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using my hands and, um, uh, awareness, but in

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the dialoguing approach, uh, he would say something

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like, um, Uh, let's say I'm working with Tia

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and Tia might say, um, I'm feeling this discomfort

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in my shoulder, something like that. And, um,

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the, the therapist might say something like,

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oh, and what does this discomfort say? Or something

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like that. And Tia might say nothing. It's not

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saying anything. It's like a bitch. That's what

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it's like. It could say that it could say it's

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telling me you're a loser or something like that.

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And then all of a sudden, oh, okay. And what

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does Tia say? And then Tia is now talking to

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the shoulder. If you want to call it that. It

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sounds a bit woo woo, but it also sounds quite

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logical in a way. It's something, it's some consciousness

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intelligence within Tia that is driving the entire

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situation. And the therapist is, is not attempting

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to lead in any way because that's. There's a

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no fingerprints, no footprints type of concept

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with it. The therapist gets nothing out of leading

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or creating impressions. It's simply trying to

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support a process already taking place within

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the person. How can we facilitate and support

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that process? Because it's stuck. And we're using

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the cranial rhythm to know what's stuck. This

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pattern is stuck. Energetically, things are moving.

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And when you feel something release and start

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moving again, great. And then you know what was

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stuck isn't stuck anymore. What is the most common

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stuckness that you come across in terms of this

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rhythm? There is one way of saying it's all the

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same. So like if all of a sudden I decide I was

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going to punch you, as we hear the gunshot. For

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all you listening, you may not have heard that,

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but we're up in the Treehouse studio. It's a

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beautiful day. The windows are open. And in the

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backyard, we just heard a .30 -06 or something

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go. Right on cue. Right on cue. Wow. If the first

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time when we met a few minutes ago, I had come

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down and, you know, we went to shake your hand.

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If I slapped you instead of shaking your hand,

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that would have completely changed the way you

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interact with me and maybe everyone else for

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the rest of your life. And I don't know how many

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times I'd have to come and extend my hand and

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not slap you before you finally stop recoiling

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from me. You may never stop recoiling from me

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because you don't know. All you know is that

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he slapped me that one time. Yes, and I don't

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trust him anymore. Exactly. And it could be forever.

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Or it could be 500 times that I shake your hand

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without slapping you that now you actually extend

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your hand as well. I don't know. Should I be

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offering you grace? Yes. That's right. So everybody

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has a recoil. There's a reluctance or resistance.

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So across the board. I don't even necessarily

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try to label that. It's just a it's whatever

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that is. It's a recoil. I call it resistance

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or stagnation, stickiness, something like that.

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And when I start trying to label it, it gets

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it starts to just create something that's not

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actually there. We can maybe say there's some

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fear involved or there's some every unpleasant

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emotion. is unpleasant so we recoil from it every

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unpleasant thought we recoil from it so it's

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the recoil itself that i'm picking up on i'm

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not trying to label you're recoiling because

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of such and such so again going to the essence

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when we start labeling it we're up at that form

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level so when i'm doing work with people i'm

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not trying to say oh it's because david slapped

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you the first time he met you i honestly as the

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therapist don't care i'm holding space for them

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to be in that stuck state and then work through

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it or not. They're free to do what they want.

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I'm holding presence and space for them to do

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that, but I'm not trying to push them through

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it and say, you need to get over this. It's that

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fear that you've been stuck. That is now trying

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to push. That's trying to lead the session. So

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it's the holding space. And it's got to come

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from them. Always. And again, the therapist is,

00:26:07.069 --> 00:26:12.299
when people call me a healer, I get it. I get

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why they're saying that because here they were

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hurting and now they're not hurting anymore after

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I put my being in your presence made them better.

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So it feels that way. So he must have done it.

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It doesn't feel that way to me. I hold the space

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for it. I observe things changing. I observe

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the recoil, not recoil anymore. I call that a

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release. Then I. feels something like what I

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refer to as an unwinding. So you take the, if

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there's glue on the ball of yarn and it's stuck

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in that position, and then you dissolve the glue

00:26:41.259 --> 00:26:43.440
and all of a sudden it starts unraveling, it's

00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.980
unraveling itself. It's free to unravel. I'll

00:26:45.980 --> 00:26:48.140
feel that usually after that release takes place,

00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.980
but I'm just holding space for the ball to unravel

00:26:51.980 --> 00:26:55.079
in its... own way i'm not trying to dictate oh

00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.039
it's about time you unraveled man how long is

00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:59.259
this going to take it's not it's not like scolding

00:26:59.259 --> 00:27:01.359
them that's right or expecting anything there

00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.880
are that's the point it's pure presence it's

00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.339
acceptance oh this is what this is like this

00:27:06.339 --> 00:27:08.539
is what it's like to feel sticky this is what

00:27:08.539 --> 00:27:10.220
it's like to have your face slapped when you

00:27:10.220 --> 00:27:12.299
thought you were going to have a hug this is

00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:14.480
what it's like it's always a state of constant

00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:16.839
oh this is what it's like this is what it's like

00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:18.920
so that's a state of what i call presence and

00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.920
acceptance that was lacking in the moment of

00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.140
traumatic experience where there was an overwhelm

00:27:25.140 --> 00:27:28.400
to whatever the system could handle acceptance

00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:30.640
and presence wasn't lacking we were trying to

00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.140
get away we were recoiling we were somewhere

00:27:33.140 --> 00:27:36.890
else It's fascinating. I met someone and I can't

00:27:36.890 --> 00:27:38.750
remember her name. And it was a shindig that

00:27:38.750 --> 00:27:40.730
you had about a year ago. And your name came

00:27:40.730 --> 00:27:47.269
up. And this person did experience a healing

00:27:47.269 --> 00:27:50.150
as a result of knowing you. And she talked a

00:27:50.150 --> 00:27:53.210
lot about it. And you had changed her life. She'd

00:27:53.210 --> 00:27:55.730
gone from suffering to not suffering. And that

00:27:55.730 --> 00:27:58.849
must be really rewarding for you to know that.

00:27:59.029 --> 00:28:01.769
Whether it's you doing anything tangible or you're

00:28:01.769 --> 00:28:04.519
just holding space. Whatever it is, you're improving

00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:07.119
someone's life. So that just must feel, just

00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:09.980
on a personal level, like you're adding something,

00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.119
right? I mean, you're making a living out of

00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:14.380
this, and it's something you're good at. But

00:28:14.380 --> 00:28:18.319
alleviating someone's suffering, that's great.

00:28:20.380 --> 00:28:24.980
I truly appreciate... That you're not approaching

00:28:24.980 --> 00:28:28.680
your practice in a reductionist way. I love that

00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:32.660
you're expanding the coverage of your therapy

00:28:32.660 --> 00:28:34.900
instead of reducing it. There's so many medical

00:28:34.900 --> 00:28:40.259
and. and healers and professionals that are reductionist

00:28:40.259 --> 00:28:42.720
and this is their thing. So I just really like

00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.480
that. I want to address the idea of stuckness.

00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:48.579
You talked about stagnation and stuckness. And

00:28:48.579 --> 00:28:50.720
this is a universal term, isn't it? That's what

00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.779
it all is. We're all stuck if we're unhealthy.

00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.220
What you do and what I do are so complementary.

00:28:56.539 --> 00:29:00.200
It's crazy. Because I do, I speak to the consciousness.

00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.680
You kind of do that. You're more on the energetic

00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:07.630
side of consciousness. I'm like talking. Almost

00:29:07.630 --> 00:29:10.910
no concern about the body. Almost none. I'm going

00:29:10.910 --> 00:29:12.930
right for the consciousness. I want to know what

00:29:12.930 --> 00:29:15.569
their conscious intent is. What is your desire?

00:29:15.710 --> 00:29:17.809
Who are you? Why are you here? How can I help

00:29:17.809 --> 00:29:20.470
you? I'm going right for the consciousness. So

00:29:20.470 --> 00:29:23.250
I think it's fascinating to hear you. But that

00:29:23.250 --> 00:29:29.509
said, I hear you talking about this communication

00:29:29.509 --> 00:29:34.240
through or around or via. the cerebral spinal

00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:36.759
fluid. And you and I have talked about the cerebral

00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:38.779
spinal fluid. What is the purpose of this spine?

00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:41.539
Is it a lubricant? So this, I'm going to let

00:29:41.539 --> 00:29:44.299
him cover it, but I just want to ask the question

00:29:44.299 --> 00:29:46.160
and then I'll let you address it. So what is

00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.579
number one from Sarah's point? What's the purpose

00:29:48.579 --> 00:29:53.220
of the CSF? From my point, my question would

00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:55.980
be, as you're feeling people that are stuck,

00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.680
right? They can either be stuck emotionally or

00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:06.400
stuck. energetically. As a holistic doctor, I

00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.000
get people that are stuck because of toxicity.

00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:13.940
There's no kidding. Their system is so toxic

00:30:13.940 --> 00:30:17.519
that it can't move forward. And this is where

00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.640
dealing with an energy worker, I mean, this is

00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:23.039
great because I can see if somebody's stuck,

00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:24.460
you're working with somebody, they're just not

00:30:24.460 --> 00:30:26.859
breaking free. They're not breaking loose. I

00:30:26.859 --> 00:30:28.460
would love an opportunity to go and see if I

00:30:28.460 --> 00:30:32.160
can help detoxify their cerebral spinal fluid

00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.740
because in my world, the CSF can't be any more

00:30:36.740 --> 00:30:40.319
pure or clean or powerful than is the plasma.

00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.400
So I work on the plasma to clean up the plasma

00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.599
because if the blood and the plasma are clear

00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.420
and they're properly functioning, they're properly

00:30:50.420 --> 00:30:54.230
oxygenated and they're properly ionized. then

00:30:54.230 --> 00:30:57.029
that's going to be the best conduit to carry

00:30:57.029 --> 00:31:01.250
nutrients, to carry electricity, to carry information.

00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:05.250
So my question would be, do you ever perceive

00:31:05.250 --> 00:31:09.369
in your awareness of their energetic state that

00:31:09.369 --> 00:31:12.869
the congestion could be the fluid itself, that

00:31:12.869 --> 00:31:18.470
they're so toxic, their chemistry is so polluted

00:31:18.470 --> 00:31:21.500
that... There's nothing you can do with the consciousness.

00:31:21.980 --> 00:31:24.200
It's not really what you're doing or the spinal

00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.220
fluid. It's not what you're doing or the consciousness

00:31:27.220 --> 00:31:30.400
or the energy. It's just that they're so toxic,

00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:33.680
their body, their avatar is so polluted that

00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.799
it can't hold that information or it can't transmit

00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:40.799
that information. Is this way off track or do

00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.099
you ever experience that? If someone came to

00:31:43.099 --> 00:31:45.920
you and they were clearly very, very heavy and

00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.660
they were difficulty breathing, would you think

00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:50.119
there's anything that you're going to be able

00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.539
to do? Because this would be toxicity, wouldn't

00:31:52.539 --> 00:31:55.059
it? Yeah, so we threw a bunch at you, David.

00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:59.380
So basically, what is cerebral spinal fluid?

00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.920
How does it play into what you do? And does the

00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.970
quality of the CSF... matter from your world

00:32:06.970 --> 00:32:09.150
it matters in my world but does it and then what

00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:11.509
do you do to get a better quality spinal fluid

00:32:11.509 --> 00:32:15.609
um well i'll start with cerebrospinal fluid and

00:32:15.609 --> 00:32:19.450
then i'll just say again that was an entry point

00:32:19.450 --> 00:32:23.049
for me to where i am now so uh there are people

00:32:23.049 --> 00:32:26.180
that have their own approach and they might refer

00:32:26.180 --> 00:32:28.339
to themselves as an energy worker or a healer

00:32:28.339 --> 00:32:30.839
or a therapist, and they may never have learned

00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:33.680
craniosacral therapy. So I would never say that

00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.359
craniosacral therapy is the answer. It was my

00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:41.059
entry. I tell people, you know, when you plug

00:32:41.059 --> 00:32:43.240
into your computer, there's an internet there,

00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.460
and you might think that your computer is the

00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:47.599
source of all this information, and it's just

00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:52.019
interfacing. So craniosacral therapy was a beginning

00:32:52.019 --> 00:32:55.359
for me. And it was, it was the introduction of,

00:32:55.380 --> 00:32:58.859
um, movement beneath, you know, who pays attention

00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:02.440
to the space that we're in. Most people don't,

00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.960
we pay attention to the form. And so craniosacral

00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:08.779
therapy was a introduction, uh, to paying attention

00:33:08.779 --> 00:33:12.500
more of the space or the movement itself. Cerebrospinal

00:33:12.500 --> 00:33:16.200
fluid is the basis of that. So cerebrospinal

00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.250
fluid is this. specialized fluid that doesn't

00:33:19.250 --> 00:33:21.809
exist anywhere in the body except within your

00:33:21.809 --> 00:33:24.789
central nervous system. And it's created through

00:33:24.789 --> 00:33:28.470
a filtration system. Certain cells are designed

00:33:28.470 --> 00:33:32.750
to take blood and blood would be damaging to

00:33:32.750 --> 00:33:35.089
your central nervous system if it was in its

00:33:35.089 --> 00:33:39.089
unfiltered state. So that's why you have this

00:33:39.089 --> 00:33:41.210
thing called the blood brain barrier, which is

00:33:41.210 --> 00:33:44.950
a membrane system made of cells that filter.

00:33:45.309 --> 00:33:47.769
So they don't let blood into the central nervous

00:33:47.769 --> 00:33:50.329
system. And then there are a group of specialized

00:33:50.329 --> 00:33:53.210
cells that are called the choroid plexus that

00:33:53.210 --> 00:33:55.650
take that blood and then filter it and turn it

00:33:55.650 --> 00:33:58.349
into this magical fluid. So it's basically blood.

00:33:58.430 --> 00:34:02.029
It's just a filtered type of blood. And you're

00:34:02.029 --> 00:34:03.769
absolutely right when you said, does it make

00:34:03.769 --> 00:34:06.869
it, I think you said a lubricant. That is part

00:34:06.869 --> 00:34:10.949
of it. It has several functions. One is a shock

00:34:10.949 --> 00:34:15.130
absorption system. It does create a lubricant.

00:34:15.130 --> 00:34:19.289
It also carries nutrients. It carries waste out

00:34:19.289 --> 00:34:23.070
of it. So there's multiple functions of it. When

00:34:23.070 --> 00:34:26.570
I started working with the cranial system, I

00:34:26.570 --> 00:34:28.849
had never felt anything like that before. Had

00:34:28.849 --> 00:34:30.949
I started with the visceral system, I would be

00:34:30.949 --> 00:34:33.530
talking about how the visceral system is what

00:34:33.530 --> 00:34:36.750
got me into this new pathway. When I started

00:34:36.750 --> 00:34:39.719
feeling the cranial rhythm, it led me to... look

00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.219
differently, so to speak, listen differently

00:34:42.219 --> 00:34:44.619
to the body. That's when I started noticing other

00:34:44.619 --> 00:34:47.860
rhythms, other currents, other frequencies. I

00:34:47.860 --> 00:34:50.460
started noticing how do I know that's there?

00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:53.780
How do I know that that's stuck and that's moving?

00:34:53.980 --> 00:34:56.920
What am I paying attention to? So it was an exploration

00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.119
in my own awareness. And you were asking yourselves

00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.119
these questions. Sometimes consciously, intentionally

00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:04.039
in my own mind, and then it just became more

00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.480
of a general state. How do I know that's not

00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.059
my... resistance that I'm feeling, things like

00:35:10.059 --> 00:35:12.659
that. So it became an exploration in awareness

00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:16.760
and that moved on beyond just craniosacral therapy.

00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:22.130
So as far as cerebrospinal fluid goes. I don't

00:35:22.130 --> 00:35:24.889
look at it as any more important than plasma

00:35:24.889 --> 00:35:27.369
or blood. But it's the basis of it is blood.

00:35:27.449 --> 00:35:29.650
So you'd have to have healthy blood to have healthy

00:35:29.650 --> 00:35:31.750
spinal. And that's this filtration system is

00:35:31.750 --> 00:35:34.010
so impeccable that it can take shitty blood and

00:35:34.010 --> 00:35:35.869
turn it into something that's work. Our filtration

00:35:35.869 --> 00:35:39.769
system is is greater than we were alive. And

00:35:39.769 --> 00:35:41.829
that speaks to how great our filtration system

00:35:41.829 --> 00:35:46.269
is, because, as Tia said, we're immersed in toxicity.

00:35:47.050 --> 00:35:52.159
So we somehow survive all that. Tia was talking

00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:55.659
about a little while ago, going from instead

00:35:55.659 --> 00:35:58.280
of reduction, it's more expansion. It's the same

00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.840
concept. I really don't focus on cerebral spinal

00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:05.420
fluid in my sessions. The model of how you follow

00:36:05.420 --> 00:36:08.840
and feel the cranial rhythm is based on cerebral

00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:13.849
spinal fluid movement. That was useful. where

00:36:13.849 --> 00:36:16.369
do I look? What, what would it even feel like?

00:36:16.369 --> 00:36:18.150
You have to kind of ask yourself, what am I even

00:36:18.150 --> 00:36:20.829
looking for? So if you have this concept, okay,

00:36:20.929 --> 00:36:24.969
okay. The cranial system expands and contracts

00:36:24.969 --> 00:36:28.070
roughly this many times. And we're told it's

00:36:28.070 --> 00:36:30.190
about six to 12 cycles per minute. Okay. That

00:36:30.190 --> 00:36:32.789
at least gives me a concept. And what would that

00:36:32.789 --> 00:36:34.610
feel like? Well, imagine a big water balloon

00:36:34.610 --> 00:36:36.809
that was the shape of your head, the shape of

00:36:36.809 --> 00:36:38.329
your spinal column, all the way down to your

00:36:38.329 --> 00:36:40.849
tailbone. Now imagine that was being filled with

00:36:40.849 --> 00:36:43.849
water. And imagine that was being drained. Well,

00:36:43.969 --> 00:36:45.969
what might that feel like? If you put your hands

00:36:45.969 --> 00:36:49.130
on someone's arms, what would it feel like if

00:36:49.130 --> 00:36:52.210
that balloon inside their body was expanding

00:36:52.210 --> 00:36:55.829
and contracting, elongating and shortening? What

00:36:55.829 --> 00:36:57.789
might that feel? You have to start somewhere.

00:36:57.969 --> 00:37:00.909
And so the concept of cerebral spinal fluid isn't

00:37:00.909 --> 00:37:03.090
something that I just sit there at all times

00:37:03.090 --> 00:37:04.429
going, what's the cerebral spinal fluid doing?

00:37:04.469 --> 00:37:06.469
What's it doing now? I don't really care about

00:37:06.469 --> 00:37:08.369
the cerebral spinal fluid more than what's the

00:37:08.369 --> 00:37:11.420
bone marrow doing? What's the lymph doing? All

00:37:11.420 --> 00:37:14.099
those things are important. I still go back to

00:37:14.099 --> 00:37:16.340
movement and non -movement, and that's more of

00:37:16.340 --> 00:37:18.780
an energetic awareness that started somewhere.

00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:21.019
But remember, I had a background already in what

00:37:21.019 --> 00:37:22.860
do joints feel like? What does connective tissue

00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:27.280
feel like? I had a very mechanical and anatomical

00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.469
physiological based. physical therapy background.

00:37:30.730 --> 00:37:33.429
So I know what fascia feels like. I know what

00:37:33.429 --> 00:37:36.010
healthy joints, I know what an infield is like,

00:37:36.030 --> 00:37:38.769
if it's a healthy and not healthy, there's a

00:37:38.769 --> 00:37:40.429
spring. Oh, there's a rigid block, something

00:37:40.429 --> 00:37:43.469
like that. So you take that background and then

00:37:43.469 --> 00:37:47.090
you throw craniosacral concepts into it. And

00:37:47.090 --> 00:37:48.550
it's going to be a little different than someone

00:37:48.550 --> 00:37:53.099
has not necessarily the hands -on approach. Yes,

00:37:53.139 --> 00:37:54.860
they're going to be a great craniosacral practitioner,

00:37:55.059 --> 00:37:57.179
but they're not going to, a session with them

00:37:57.179 --> 00:37:58.940
is not necessarily going to look the same way

00:37:58.940 --> 00:38:01.280
as it would with me. So when I'm working on someone,

00:38:01.340 --> 00:38:03.539
I'm actually not paying attention specifically

00:38:03.539 --> 00:38:07.849
to the fluid and how can I clean this up? Where

00:38:07.849 --> 00:38:10.309
is there stagnation? And I will be led there.

00:38:10.789 --> 00:38:13.369
And this is with your eyes closed, seeing this

00:38:13.369 --> 00:38:15.389
hologram that you're seeing on the back of your

00:38:15.389 --> 00:38:17.869
eyelids. Is that how you're leading yourself

00:38:17.869 --> 00:38:20.349
there? It's through feel. It's through physical.

00:38:20.489 --> 00:38:24.449
I can physically feel it with my hands. And what

00:38:24.449 --> 00:38:26.869
does that feel like? Is that a pulsating or is

00:38:26.869 --> 00:38:29.650
it a warmth? Is it anything tangible? It's really

00:38:29.650 --> 00:38:32.769
everything you can think of all at once. But

00:38:32.769 --> 00:38:35.630
it's also, think of a magnet, how there's...

00:38:36.139 --> 00:38:38.559
It's if, if I was the first person to ever produce

00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.159
a magnet in the world, you'd think I was some

00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:42.880
sort of wizard. And how are these things levitating

00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.800
on their own? And how do I feel the force pulling

00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:46.579
me and pushing me reverse the magnet the other

00:38:46.579 --> 00:38:48.239
way? And now it's a repulsive force. How's that

00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.099
happening? There's something like that, but it's

00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:53.849
not limited to that. But coming from somebody

00:38:53.849 --> 00:38:56.849
who was very, again, I had great skills with

00:38:56.849 --> 00:38:59.170
my hands. That's where it started with me. That

00:38:59.170 --> 00:39:01.150
was kind of always my bread and butter. It's

00:39:01.150 --> 00:39:03.510
going to be different from somebody who, like

00:39:03.510 --> 00:39:07.769
Barbara Brennan, is this woman who was an astrophysicist

00:39:07.769 --> 00:39:09.949
and wrote these books on seeing auric fields.

00:39:11.110 --> 00:39:14.150
She's got a totally different approach of seeing.

00:39:14.250 --> 00:39:16.309
I say, I don't really know what she sees. She

00:39:16.309 --> 00:39:18.389
describes it, but I don't see what she sees.

00:39:18.610 --> 00:39:21.510
So she's connecting to the field, but I connect

00:39:21.510 --> 00:39:25.489
to it. Very, very easily through tactile sense.

00:39:25.690 --> 00:39:28.809
Then I start feeling it in my body. I close my

00:39:28.809 --> 00:39:32.070
eyes. I see this imagery. I see sometimes colors,

00:39:32.110 --> 00:39:37.409
shifting images, waviness, layers in front and

00:39:37.409 --> 00:39:39.949
back. Very, very difficult to describe. And can

00:39:39.949 --> 00:39:43.070
you translate that information to something tangible?

00:39:43.329 --> 00:39:46.190
All these waves and shapes there meaning something.

00:39:46.210 --> 00:39:48.750
Sometimes I will say something like, oh, that

00:39:48.750 --> 00:39:54.190
is a portion. of the upper lobe of the lung.

00:39:54.690 --> 00:39:57.269
And that was the nature of my question because

00:39:57.269 --> 00:40:01.090
the reason I asked about the quality of the cerebral

00:40:01.090 --> 00:40:04.710
spinal fluid is because it seems to me if you're

00:40:04.710 --> 00:40:08.070
getting a very clear image and picture of this

00:40:08.070 --> 00:40:11.329
person in front of you, that you would be able

00:40:11.329 --> 00:40:15.429
to perceive the level of efficiency or the toxicity

00:40:15.429 --> 00:40:19.079
or any blockages. associated with the quality

00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:21.380
of the fluid? Because I know I can with the blood.

00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:25.219
I can tell in a minute if somebody's blood is

00:40:25.219 --> 00:40:29.960
not powerful. So I was just asking more from

00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:33.599
a clinical perspective, but I wasn't suggesting

00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:35.440
you're doing reductionist thought about what's

00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.260
going on with the fluid. I was just more interested

00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:40.579
in the energetics associated with the fluid and

00:40:40.579 --> 00:40:43.980
if you could pick that up or not. That stagnation

00:40:43.980 --> 00:40:47.949
or recoil could be held in any fluid? In any

00:40:47.949 --> 00:40:53.269
tissue, in any joint. So why would I care if

00:40:53.269 --> 00:40:57.130
it's in the capsule of the shoulder or the knee?

00:40:57.530 --> 00:41:00.809
Is this synovial fluid? To me, again, it's the

00:41:00.809 --> 00:41:04.929
recoil itself. It's the essence of recoil. That's

00:41:04.929 --> 00:41:07.769
what's important. What screen it's being projected

00:41:07.769 --> 00:41:11.610
on into the body. Who cares? As the therapist,

00:41:11.750 --> 00:41:13.590
I'm not saying truly who cares. I'm saying as

00:41:13.590 --> 00:41:16.409
the therapist, for me to hold space for it and

00:41:16.409 --> 00:41:18.469
give it the support and the presence and the

00:41:18.469 --> 00:41:22.050
acceptance, it can display itself on any cell,

00:41:22.170 --> 00:41:25.210
fluid, structure, atom that it wants to. It's

00:41:25.210 --> 00:41:26.969
irrelevant to me. It's interesting you say that

00:41:26.969 --> 00:41:30.789
because a lot of times in my world, the manifestation

00:41:30.789 --> 00:41:35.389
of the so -called disease, whatever it does,

00:41:35.610 --> 00:41:38.190
it comes out in the weakest, usually the weakest

00:41:38.190 --> 00:41:41.820
spot of the body. And it shows up there. And

00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:44.880
that weakness preceded whatever is coming up

00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.500
now. I get that totally. You're speaking my language

00:41:47.500 --> 00:41:49.579
there. Quick question for you. You know, when

00:41:49.579 --> 00:41:52.079
I hear you describing the layers of energy and

00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.860
it's coming and going and there's different colors

00:41:53.860 --> 00:41:56.000
and such. Sounds like an acid trip. Well, I was

00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.280
just going to say the past two guests we've had

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:06.699
have had amazing testimonials, experiences with

00:42:06.699 --> 00:42:11.650
plant medicine. And you're getting to that space

00:42:11.650 --> 00:42:14.969
without it. I don't want to take away from what

00:42:14.969 --> 00:42:16.610
we're talking about, but I want to see if you

00:42:16.610 --> 00:42:19.949
have any opinions or any experiences with plant

00:42:19.949 --> 00:42:21.889
medicine, hallucinogenics, mushrooms, anything.

00:42:22.010 --> 00:42:27.010
I have no experience whatsoever. And I can see

00:42:27.010 --> 00:42:29.769
how it would sound like a trippy. It did. It

00:42:29.769 --> 00:42:31.329
sounded trippy when you were talking about it.

00:42:31.429 --> 00:42:34.860
It is a place. People ask me all the time when

00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:36.480
I'm working on them, doesn't this exhaust you?

00:42:36.579 --> 00:42:39.179
And I say, are you kidding me? Where else would

00:42:39.179 --> 00:42:43.280
I want to be? I'm in this place of some semi

00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:47.579
-bliss state. Interesting. No, I get that because

00:42:47.579 --> 00:42:49.820
people ask me, do you ever get tired? I never

00:42:49.820 --> 00:42:52.699
get tired. No, you really don't. No, I don't.

00:42:52.699 --> 00:42:56.000
It's like, what he's saying is gold. Like when

00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.460
you're in the mix and you're just connected and

00:42:58.460 --> 00:42:59.539
you're helping this person. And what's causing

00:42:59.539 --> 00:43:03.119
this bliss? Is it because you know or you're

00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:06.159
anticipating being helpful to another human being?

00:43:06.340 --> 00:43:09.179
Or is this you've disconnected from your thinking

00:43:09.179 --> 00:43:11.719
mind and now you're in pure awareness? Because

00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:13.679
I meditate a lot and I can tell you that when

00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.980
I'm in pure awareness, I do feel this bliss.

00:43:16.179 --> 00:43:19.360
I can enter in and out of bliss. I could be driving

00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.960
my car. I could be planting a plant. But this

00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.380
blissful feeling will come. It's transitory.

00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:26.739
It's a very nice feeling, but it sounds like

00:43:26.739 --> 00:43:29.900
that you've entered into that. We've talked about

00:43:29.900 --> 00:43:32.119
this before, whether even if you're playing bass

00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.420
or if you're whenever you're in your zone. Well,

00:43:34.420 --> 00:43:36.219
you've got to have an empty mind. You can't have

00:43:36.219 --> 00:43:38.480
the uploading thoughts. So that's obviously where

00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:41.420
you are. But David's in his zone, it seems like.

00:43:41.500 --> 00:43:44.420
I mean, he's in his zone. In awareness. In awareness.

00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:46.719
Yeah. I mean, I don't think it can be where he

00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.820
practices. I don't think you can be there without

00:43:49.820 --> 00:43:51.900
being completely present and completely aware.

00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:56.480
Is that fair? I would say absolutely. There is

00:43:56.480 --> 00:44:01.019
no attempt to heal the patient. There's no agenda.

00:44:01.219 --> 00:44:04.780
It's not agenda -driven. From their point of

00:44:04.780 --> 00:44:06.860
view, it is. They're coming to you to feel better.

00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:13.320
Again, I know what it sounds like as I say that.

00:44:13.340 --> 00:44:17.650
It sounds apathetic. It's a state of... of neutrality,

00:44:17.650 --> 00:44:19.769
of pure acceptance, unconditional acceptance.

00:44:20.389 --> 00:44:23.570
Meaning, again, it's observing, oh, this is what

00:44:23.570 --> 00:44:27.170
it's like when you take the lid off of a boiling

00:44:27.170 --> 00:44:30.789
pot. Oh, that's what that's like. That type of

00:44:30.789 --> 00:44:33.070
freedom. Oh, this is what it's like. When the

00:44:33.070 --> 00:44:34.829
pot goes, oh, this is what it's like as the pressure

00:44:34.829 --> 00:44:36.510
builds. Oh, this is what it's like. I can't get

00:44:36.510 --> 00:44:38.750
out of it. I can't get out. You're in that state.

00:44:38.809 --> 00:44:40.849
I'm not trying to get them out of this boiling

00:44:40.849 --> 00:44:43.190
pot or there's no attempt. It's just holding

00:44:43.190 --> 00:44:46.409
the space. The process is already there. So I

00:44:46.409 --> 00:44:51.320
think I would. not be effective if i tried to

00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.280
rescue them and save them and get them out of

00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.840
that if i was trying to heal them quote unquote

00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.199
the fact that they're with you is their attempt

00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:00.599
to rescue themselves isn't it that's why they've

00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.920
they've come i think the entire thing is their

00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.900
process i am supporting them and i use the example

00:45:05.900 --> 00:45:08.360
with patients all the time of a spotter if you've

00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:10.340
ever been in the gym and you've seen somebody

00:45:10.340 --> 00:45:12.679
bench pressing or something like that maybe they

00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.519
have 200 pounds on there and the spotter above

00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.539
them sees the exact moment where they're starting

00:45:17.539 --> 00:45:20.440
to fail and they tap on the bar maybe two pounds

00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:25.039
the lifter is now pushing 198 pounds but they're

00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.059
giving the credit to the spotter for saving them

00:45:27.059 --> 00:45:30.280
that's a great that's a great analogy i love

00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.739
that if they if they didn't catch them at that

00:45:32.739 --> 00:45:35.480
exact moment all 200 pounds crushes down on them

00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.599
now the spotter has to try to lift and rescue

00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.619
this 200 pound if they are present and they know

00:45:40.619 --> 00:45:43.119
exactly the moment to tap the bar that's cool

00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.300
they barely do anything and that they're the

00:45:45.300 --> 00:45:47.949
the spotter is saying You think I lifted that?

00:45:47.989 --> 00:45:50.429
I didn't lift that. I touched it. I touched exactly

00:45:50.429 --> 00:45:53.269
where you needed. You pushed with 198 pounds.

00:45:53.849 --> 00:45:56.949
If I'm sitting there, I'm going to exhaust myself

00:45:56.949 --> 00:45:59.469
if I'm lifting 200 pounds and we're doing 10

00:45:59.469 --> 00:46:01.969
repetitions or something like that. Oh man, that's

00:46:01.969 --> 00:46:05.949
gold. I love that. I love that. Thank you. Because

00:46:05.949 --> 00:46:07.630
there's been a hundred times where I've been

00:46:07.630 --> 00:46:10.369
spotting people and I literally put two fingers

00:46:10.369 --> 00:46:14.820
under that bar. You can't lift even two pounds

00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:17.800
with two fingers. But it's just the presence.

00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:20.420
It's just being there. At the right moment. And

00:46:20.420 --> 00:46:24.639
then they finish their personal best. It's like,

00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.400
oh, thanks. I didn't even touch that. I swear

00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.739
to you, I didn't touch it. And I love what you

00:46:29.739 --> 00:46:32.789
said. I'm going to take that. Are they feeling

00:46:32.789 --> 00:46:36.010
some of your uplifted energy in terms of feeling

00:46:36.010 --> 00:46:39.769
blissful? Do you know what Shaktiput is? It's

00:46:39.769 --> 00:46:44.309
what the gurus had in their ashrams. Just their

00:46:44.309 --> 00:46:46.489
high vibration, if they got in the proximity

00:46:46.489 --> 00:46:48.849
of someone or touched someone, they would get

00:46:48.849 --> 00:46:51.650
a whack of the bliss that this guru is feeling

00:46:51.650 --> 00:46:53.949
and it would just bring them out of some... Sometimes.

00:46:54.449 --> 00:46:56.530
I mentioned Barbara Brennan a little while ago.

00:46:56.690 --> 00:47:00.699
She did some kind of study where she... they

00:47:00.699 --> 00:47:03.579
put some kind of measurement devices and recorded

00:47:03.579 --> 00:47:06.760
EEGs of the therapist brain and the patient's

00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:09.559
brain. And then they were also monitoring whatever

00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:11.599
that frequency, the seven point something of

00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.840
the magnetic frequency of the Gaia. Yeah. It's

00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.880
the, it's Gaia, the Gaia frequency. And somehow

00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:18.739
they noticed also, I think related to theta.

00:47:18.860 --> 00:47:22.519
There was a moment where the therapist would,

00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:26.059
their brain waves were in the same phase as the

00:47:26.059 --> 00:47:29.500
earth. waves. And then shortly after that, the

00:47:29.500 --> 00:47:33.400
patient's waves were in phase as well, aligned.

00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:35.940
And then the so -called healing moment would

00:47:35.940 --> 00:47:38.320
take place. Um, I'm not saying that's always

00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:41.460
what happens, but I felt like I understood something

00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:44.320
about what she's talking about because I'll experience

00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:48.420
something. And then the patient will go something

00:47:48.420 --> 00:47:51.539
like that. And maybe no words need to be expressed.

00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:53.619
Sometimes I've mentioned teasing you before,

00:47:53.659 --> 00:47:55.539
maybe the crying starts something like that.

00:47:56.079 --> 00:48:00.539
Doesn't matter. There was a patient earlier this

00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:03.559
week that I was doing a remote. Tia mentioned

00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:05.179
I don't need to touch the person. I was doing

00:48:05.179 --> 00:48:08.460
a remote session. We're not even talking. I have

00:48:08.460 --> 00:48:10.320
it on mute. She's I don't even know where she

00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:14.019
lives. She was experienced something on her end

00:48:14.019 --> 00:48:18.679
that I didn't know. I felt a shift and this stuck

00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:20.760
resistance pattern that was in what we call the

00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.019
fourth energy center around the chest area and

00:48:23.019 --> 00:48:25.809
into the throat. I felt it release. All I did

00:48:25.809 --> 00:48:28.349
was say there's a release. But then what I felt

00:48:28.349 --> 00:48:30.630
is this opening of what we call the crown or

00:48:30.630 --> 00:48:32.690
the seventh energy center. And I stayed there

00:48:32.690 --> 00:48:34.429
for quite a while. I felt it expand, blah, blah,

00:48:34.429 --> 00:48:37.469
blah. And then so on and so on and so on. The

00:48:37.469 --> 00:48:40.130
whole session went on. We talked about with the

00:48:40.130 --> 00:48:43.869
patient. I talked after the session without me

00:48:43.869 --> 00:48:46.090
telling her what I experienced. She described

00:48:46.090 --> 00:48:50.010
she had difficulty getting through telling me

00:48:50.010 --> 00:48:52.530
she's broke down multiple times because she felt

00:48:52.530 --> 00:48:56.440
that she. It was in the presence of God. in the

00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.320
presence of Jesus. Now that means something to

00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.440
her, people who are not Christians. I don't even

00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:01.760
know if she's a Christian. She may, maybe she's

00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:03.860
not. It meant something to her. Every time she

00:49:03.860 --> 00:49:05.960
tried to say it, we had to wait several minutes

00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.260
for her to finish crying because it was so deeply,

00:49:08.260 --> 00:49:11.579
I had no idea that was going on. All I did was

00:49:11.579 --> 00:49:14.219
feel the energy that was stuck. It could not

00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:17.119
move up through the body. And when it did, it

00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.440
opened up and created its own. I didn't open

00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.940
it. I just observed it opening and I held the

00:49:21.940 --> 00:49:24.400
space for that to happen remotely. Didn't touch

00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:27.639
her. Another patient that I did remotely, I feel

00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:29.659
the same type of stuff. We talked afterwards

00:49:29.659 --> 00:49:32.960
and she's, she, she laughs because she's, she's

00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.139
had transformation in her life. She was debilitated

00:49:35.139 --> 00:49:37.320
for many years. She's back to working. She loves

00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:39.599
it. She's never feels anything. So after the

00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.659
session, I said, did you notice anything this

00:49:41.659 --> 00:49:44.519
time? She said, I didn't, but I'm glad you did.

00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.500
And she jokes about that. And I said, you don't

00:49:46.500 --> 00:49:49.380
have to, I'm, that's why you pay me to support

00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:52.440
you because you, you can't feel it. She doesn't

00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.300
feel anything in any session ever. And yet she

00:49:55.300 --> 00:49:58.960
has made her entire family can't believe what

00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.099
a change it's been in her life. So there's never

00:50:01.099 --> 00:50:03.420
been an aha moment with her where she's come

00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:06.739
off the table. I saw God. And yet there's this

00:50:06.739 --> 00:50:09.559
other woman that I had no idea she was even experiencing

00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.440
it. So, David, as people are listening to this

00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.340
episode, they're hearing us talk about energy

00:50:15.340 --> 00:50:17.840
and consciousness and, you know, all this stuff

00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:23.190
and carillium photography and. How does somebody

00:50:23.190 --> 00:50:27.329
put this together? If an average person listening

00:50:27.329 --> 00:50:31.070
to the show is just listening in, how do they

00:50:31.070 --> 00:50:34.730
know if they or somebody that they know can benefit

00:50:34.730 --> 00:50:39.329
from talking to you? How does somebody know to

00:50:39.329 --> 00:50:43.789
find somebody like you? Do they have to be at

00:50:43.789 --> 00:50:45.550
the end of their chain and say, okay, I've tried

00:50:45.550 --> 00:50:48.280
everything for my darn shoulder? I'm going to

00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:52.179
go see David. I mean, probably. Yes, that is,

00:50:52.179 --> 00:50:56.119
that is by far, that's probably 99 % of my clientele.

00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.519
Because why would you go to some weirdo? By the

00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:03.300
way, talking about energy, you know, in, in God

00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:06.679
showing up in a session and, and lava lamp energy

00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.780
movement. Why would you go to a person like that?

00:51:09.900 --> 00:51:12.420
No, I appreciate that. Cause I, I have the same

00:51:12.420 --> 00:51:14.920
thing. People call me, they're like, They're

00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.320
at the weirdest spot in their life and they feel

00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:19.460
like there's no other option but to call a holistic

00:51:19.460 --> 00:51:23.860
doctor. But with you, you bounce it back to them

00:51:23.860 --> 00:51:26.360
because you say that you're totally capable of

00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:29.699
healing yourself. No, I don't say those words.

00:51:30.059 --> 00:51:33.619
But you know that they have to do that. This

00:51:33.619 --> 00:51:35.340
cannot come from me. There's nothing I'm going

00:51:35.340 --> 00:51:37.960
to be able to do. It's all got to come from you.

00:51:38.219 --> 00:51:40.699
This is very much what... See, I tell people,

00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:43.300
it's like, okay, listen. You've got pieces of

00:51:43.300 --> 00:51:46.019
the puzzle. I've got pieces of the puzzle. We

00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:48.639
have to collaborate and work together. I'm going

00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:50.099
to share things with you. You're going to share

00:51:50.099 --> 00:51:51.539
things with me. And together, we're going to

00:51:51.539 --> 00:51:54.059
figure this out. So I've got people now that

00:51:54.059 --> 00:51:56.019
are having problems getting pregnant. I've got

00:51:56.019 --> 00:51:59.559
three women right now that want to clean themselves

00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:03.119
up to get pregnant. The physiological body part

00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:07.800
of that is not always the problem. But talking

00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.210
to somebody like David, Getting them past themselves

00:52:11.210 --> 00:52:14.550
or getting that blockage, I'm visualizing just

00:52:14.550 --> 00:52:18.690
a conversation with him. Truthfully, some of

00:52:18.690 --> 00:52:20.590
them are toxic and we need to clean things up.

00:52:20.690 --> 00:52:23.590
I mean, that's part of it. But I can see different

00:52:23.590 --> 00:52:27.590
groups of people that would be very receptive

00:52:27.590 --> 00:52:30.530
to this type of work. So when people on their

00:52:30.530 --> 00:52:32.670
last legs come to you because they're desperate,

00:52:33.030 --> 00:52:35.869
is it going to sound correct, like a conversion

00:52:35.869 --> 00:52:40.969
rate? is your presence of benefit to most of

00:52:40.969 --> 00:52:43.110
the people you see? Or are there some people

00:52:43.110 --> 00:52:46.409
who are just beyond any type of help? They might

00:52:46.409 --> 00:52:49.309
want it, but you can't reach them in any way.

00:52:50.210 --> 00:52:54.289
I started to say it's beneficial to everyone

00:52:54.289 --> 00:52:57.969
to an extent, but if a person doesn't even want

00:52:57.969 --> 00:52:59.630
to participate, they don't want to even show

00:52:59.630 --> 00:53:01.269
up for a session. But they wouldn't be with you

00:53:01.269 --> 00:53:03.010
otherwise. That's right. They must have some...

00:53:03.759 --> 00:53:05.920
Impetus to want to hear. They would have to at

00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:07.940
least show up for the session. And that already

00:53:07.940 --> 00:53:09.760
indicates that there's some willingness there.

00:53:11.900 --> 00:53:14.699
Everybody, I feel something with every person

00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:17.699
I work with. There's no doubt in my mind. I remember

00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:20.880
when you were asking me about some of the profound

00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:22.820
stories and I said, there's still some that stand

00:53:22.820 --> 00:53:25.969
out with me. One of the first sessions I ever

00:53:25.969 --> 00:53:28.070
had when I introduced this woo -woo weird stuff,

00:53:28.110 --> 00:53:29.889
that's how I felt about it. I told the guy, he

00:53:29.889 --> 00:53:31.949
had this, do you remember RSD? They used to call

00:53:31.949 --> 00:53:33.630
it reflex sympathetic dystrophy. They don't call

00:53:33.630 --> 00:53:36.829
it that anymore. He had a condition that is not

00:53:36.829 --> 00:53:39.969
easily treatable. And he had hurt himself at

00:53:39.969 --> 00:53:43.690
work. And I wasn't helping him doing my traditional

00:53:43.690 --> 00:53:47.360
physical therapy stuff. I just said, listen,

00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:49.440
I can do this weird thing where I can feel, you

00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:50.960
know, energy. I can put my hands on. He's like,

00:53:50.980 --> 00:53:52.400
all right, let's do it. Nothing else has helped

00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.139
him. And he's been in a work cop for the, for

00:53:54.139 --> 00:53:57.199
a long time. I put his hands on him, my hands

00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:01.119
on it. I see this image where his arm, this is

00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.460
his ankle, by the way, that he's, that's not

00:54:03.460 --> 00:54:06.099
recovering. And I touch him and I see his body

00:54:06.099 --> 00:54:08.679
with his arm sort of cocked up like this. I'm

00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.789
like, Oh. what is this guy going to think if

00:54:10.789 --> 00:54:13.269
i start working on his shoulder this is oh i

00:54:13.269 --> 00:54:15.550
can't i hate this i hate this i hate this so

00:54:15.550 --> 00:54:17.329
you can't ignore what you're seeing i'm seeing

00:54:17.329 --> 00:54:19.829
it it's real in my mind so i go and i put my

00:54:19.829 --> 00:54:22.170
hands and i start supporting his arm in his arm

00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:24.670
it feels to me like a magnetic force is pulling

00:54:24.670 --> 00:54:26.869
his arm to this state patients usually think

00:54:26.869 --> 00:54:29.949
i'm moving the arm but after they get a little

00:54:29.949 --> 00:54:32.329
more sensitive to it they start to go wow you're

00:54:32.329 --> 00:54:33.869
really not moving it because they can feel especially

00:54:33.869 --> 00:54:35.329
if i'm touching their leg and their arm starts

00:54:35.329 --> 00:54:38.760
moving but his arm gets up here And he looks

00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.860
sort of like he's looking through, he's laying

00:54:41.860 --> 00:54:44.519
on his back on the treatment table, kind of like

00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:47.059
he's looking through space. He just gets into

00:54:47.059 --> 00:54:49.860
this weird state and he says, I was carrying

00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:51.780
the hose. Like, I don't know what he's talking

00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:53.900
about, but he was, uh, he was this one of these

00:54:53.900 --> 00:54:56.500
yard guys that kill weeds or spray for whatever.

00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:59.980
So he had stepped in a hole and rolled his ankle,

00:55:00.019 --> 00:55:03.380
but his arm. the position that we got his arm

00:55:03.380 --> 00:55:06.000
into, that was part of this traumatic moment

00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:07.679
for him. I had no idea. I didn't, I didn't know

00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.599
his mechanism. Um, but he went into some state.

00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:13.099
I don't really know what happened with him afterwards

00:55:13.099 --> 00:55:15.480
because I didn't get to keep treating him. And

00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:16.880
he probably thought this whole thing was really

00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.639
weird, but I can tell you from what I know after

00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.199
years of doing this, that was an unlocking of

00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:26.920
that stagnation process. And I, I don't know

00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:29.500
how much better he got. I'll never know. Um,

00:55:29.659 --> 00:55:33.510
but I believe he probably began a process of

00:55:33.510 --> 00:55:36.130
moving through whatever he couldn't move through

00:55:36.130 --> 00:55:38.590
before. And maybe it was a complete healing of

00:55:38.590 --> 00:55:40.250
maybe that's the one thing he needed. And it

00:55:40.250 --> 00:55:42.190
may have taken a few weeks to recover. Maybe

00:55:42.190 --> 00:55:43.750
he was better by the end of the day. I really

00:55:43.750 --> 00:55:47.670
don't know. But that's an example of even if

00:55:47.670 --> 00:55:49.929
they don't come back or even if I never see them

00:55:49.929 --> 00:55:52.360
again. I know something happened. I felt it.

00:55:52.380 --> 00:55:54.059
I felt it really. It's not just that I felt it

00:55:54.059 --> 00:55:56.980
stuck. I felt it release. So on my end, having

00:55:56.980 --> 00:55:59.679
got the confirmation for me, I have now they

00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:01.639
like the lady I spoke to on the phone that she

00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:04.320
says she never feels anything. It's it's for

00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:06.579
her. It's the proofs in the pudding. She feels

00:56:06.579 --> 00:56:09.380
she's got her life back. Absolutely. And by the

00:56:09.380 --> 00:56:11.840
way, she was one of the hardest people. for her

00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.440
family to get in. It started with her grandparents.

00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.119
Her grandfather had this miraculous one session

00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:19.739
healing of his knee. I didn't, they, then her,

00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.420
the grandmother had something, the mother had

00:56:22.420 --> 00:56:24.239
something and they lived in Minnesota. They wanted

00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:25.940
to fly him down. I said, listen, don't put all

00:56:25.940 --> 00:56:27.800
that money into coming down. Like I'm some sort

00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:29.980
of wizard guru. I don't know what's going to

00:56:29.980 --> 00:56:31.340
happen. I didn't know these things were going

00:56:31.340 --> 00:56:32.960
to happen. That's exactly. It's too much pressure

00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.619
on coming down. Eventually they convinced her

00:56:35.619 --> 00:56:37.780
to do it. She thought it was the weirdest, stupidest

00:56:37.780 --> 00:56:41.079
thing. So even someone with that much reluctance

00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:44.400
still had a life changing experience. I think,

00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.119
again, she was willing to show up and I felt

00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:52.300
a release. Things started moving. So they wouldn't

00:56:52.300 --> 00:56:54.019
show up, I think, if there wasn't any willingness

00:56:54.019 --> 00:56:57.260
whatsoever. So, David, backing away from the.

00:56:58.449 --> 00:57:01.210
the immediacy of the clinical experiences you

00:57:01.210 --> 00:57:03.210
have with these people. So this is one -on -one

00:57:03.210 --> 00:57:06.610
stuff, like really intense, very focused. Backing

00:57:06.610 --> 00:57:08.849
away from that, looking at the world around us,

00:57:08.949 --> 00:57:12.869
I mean, Sarah and I, we feel the shift. We feel

00:57:12.869 --> 00:57:16.110
energetic changes in the world around us. I perceive

00:57:16.110 --> 00:57:20.369
on multiple levels energetic shifts in the world.

00:57:21.670 --> 00:57:24.869
Where do you see this type of energy healing?

00:57:27.150 --> 00:57:28.809
past, present, future. We're like, where are

00:57:28.809 --> 00:57:31.409
we going? Where are we on the trajectory? Do

00:57:31.409 --> 00:57:35.489
you see it being more and more welcomed or do

00:57:35.489 --> 00:57:37.230
you think more people are looking for it? Or

00:57:37.230 --> 00:57:39.829
is this, are they going to just not know until

00:57:39.829 --> 00:57:42.130
they're blindsided? And then like, do you see

00:57:42.130 --> 00:57:44.489
more people becoming aware of this type of modality?

00:57:44.630 --> 00:57:46.969
Well, 200 years ago, I would already be burned.

00:57:47.050 --> 00:57:49.090
You guys would be next for even having this conversation

00:57:49.090 --> 00:57:54.449
with me. So, so the, just, it's obvious we're,

00:57:54.449 --> 00:57:58.659
we're more. open and welcoming of this conversation.

00:57:58.940 --> 00:58:02.559
I listened to audio books all the time. I don't

00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:04.559
even know how many thousands of stories and books

00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:06.400
there are of people telling their story and,

00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:08.599
this was my intraday and I had this experience.

00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:11.619
And then now I practice energy medicine or now

00:58:11.619 --> 00:58:14.400
I teach people meditation. What I don't, there's,

00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:18.139
there's an endless slew parade of those stories.

00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.360
It's probably like that tapestry concept. These

00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.769
are all points of. some huge tapestry and the

00:58:24.769 --> 00:58:27.989
tapestry is being built in some way. It's obvious

00:58:27.989 --> 00:58:30.869
we're moving in a direction. Um, I don't know

00:58:30.869 --> 00:58:33.150
if you're familiar, probably you are with Bruce,

00:58:33.150 --> 00:58:37.849
Bruce Lipton stuff, his concept of, of consciousness

00:58:37.849 --> 00:58:42.710
driven, the way things are evolving is consciousness

00:58:42.710 --> 00:58:45.769
driven. Sure. And the biology of belief. Exactly.

00:58:45.849 --> 00:58:49.349
So you have, you have a single cell organism

00:58:49.349 --> 00:58:52.429
in competition with others and they find that

00:58:52.750 --> 00:58:54.969
cooperating works better and all of a sudden

00:58:54.969 --> 00:58:59.130
they're a a larger more complex organism all

00:58:59.130 --> 00:59:02.289
sacrificing their own individual needs because

00:59:02.289 --> 00:59:04.789
their chances of survival are better if they

00:59:04.789 --> 00:59:07.230
work together so there's this change and then

00:59:07.230 --> 00:59:09.269
that but that's consciousness driven what would

00:59:09.269 --> 00:59:12.150
drive cells to work together what would drive

00:59:12.150 --> 00:59:15.150
people to work together if i don't like you and

00:59:15.619 --> 00:59:17.400
I'd rather compete with you. There's not going

00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.599
to be a change there, but something drives me

00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:21.639
to want to cooperate with you. And now we're

00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.519
a clan. Now we're a tribe. Now we're a nation.

00:59:23.699 --> 00:59:26.940
So what, what's next for you? You're right now.

00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:28.480
It's just you and your officer. Do you have a

00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.619
staff? I mean, how, how many people are in your

00:59:30.619 --> 00:59:33.960
clinic? Oh, well, when I realized what I could

00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.239
do and I wanted to go in private practice, the,

00:59:37.380 --> 00:59:40.380
it was such a transformation. What I was seeing

00:59:40.380 --> 00:59:44.500
with patients, it, they would describe diseases.

00:59:45.380 --> 00:59:49.280
going away changes in their life that I didn't

00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:50.940
even necessarily know that they had. In fact,

00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:53.440
I remember the difficulty I had saying I, but

00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:54.980
there's no way that could have happened because

00:59:54.980 --> 00:59:57.639
I didn't know. I didn't intentionally heal that.

00:59:57.679 --> 00:59:58.679
I don't know what you're talking about. That

00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:01.780
couldn't have been me. Once I realized what was

01:00:01.780 --> 01:00:04.360
happening and I knew I had this ability to feel

01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:06.960
what I feel, I wanted to go into private practice.

01:00:06.980 --> 01:00:10.250
And my initial. plan was how many therapists

01:00:10.250 --> 01:00:13.610
would line up to be able to do this. I mean,

01:00:13.630 --> 01:00:17.219
there are probably. you know, a hundred therapists

01:00:17.219 --> 01:00:20.300
ready at the drop of a hat to move out of their

01:00:20.300 --> 01:00:22.280
traditional physical therapy role because they're

01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:23.940
probably experiencing the same thing. And they

01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:26.260
can't wait to have a platform where they can

01:00:26.260 --> 01:00:29.519
just go be themselves, treat freely, let the

01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:31.139
energy guide them. This is going to be amazing.

01:00:31.139 --> 01:00:33.480
And you're experiencing bliss yourself when you're

01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:36.119
doing this. I use the example of if I gave you

01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:39.659
a puppy as a gift, I had to carry the puppy for

01:00:39.659 --> 01:00:41.820
a little while to you. So I got that experience,

01:00:42.019 --> 01:00:44.960
the bliss of. enjoying the puppy. It wasn't mine.

01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:47.059
I gave it to you. It's something similar where

01:00:47.059 --> 01:00:49.400
you're experiencing the same sort of blissful

01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:51.579
state. I thought therapists are going to want

01:00:51.579 --> 01:00:54.500
to do this. So I know what I'll do. I won't just

01:00:54.500 --> 01:00:57.340
be self -employed as a sole proprietor. I'll

01:00:57.340 --> 01:00:59.900
incorporate because I want to be able to have

01:00:59.900 --> 01:01:04.219
a corporation where I can have probably 20 therapists.

01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.179
I didn't even want to own a therapy practice.

01:01:07.340 --> 01:01:09.539
I just wanted to create a platform where therapists

01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:11.980
could do this. I started sending out, I remember

01:01:11.980 --> 01:01:16.820
I looked at the Florida physical therapy, the

01:01:16.820 --> 01:01:18.960
health department's list of all the therapists

01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:23.059
in Florida. I sent paper snail mails out to every

01:01:23.059 --> 01:01:25.320
therapist that was licensed in Florida saying,

01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:29.820
if you are becoming more of a holistic therapist,

01:01:29.860 --> 01:01:32.800
you're into this, this, this, and this. Uh, and

01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:35.460
you want to have a platform to do that and treat

01:01:35.460 --> 01:01:38.659
freely, you know, is not one response. Um, and

01:01:38.659 --> 01:01:41.079
it, it started to become more and more that I

01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:44.300
realized that I don't think it's going to work

01:01:44.300 --> 01:01:45.599
the way that I thought it was. Is that something

01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.300
you still want to do? I mean, no, I don't care.

01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:50.360
No, I, I, it's almost like the same approach

01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:53.440
that it's not apathy. You, you, you would do

01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:56.019
it if it came, if it presented itself, you would,

01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:57.860
I would think you would do it. I would hold space

01:01:57.860 --> 01:01:59.980
for it. I would hold space and allow it. That's

01:01:59.980 --> 01:02:01.969
what I mean. Hold space. Yeah. And, uh, but it

01:02:01.969 --> 01:02:04.329
is no at the, in the beginning, I thought this

01:02:04.329 --> 01:02:05.929
is going to happen. This would be a great thing

01:02:05.929 --> 01:02:08.909
for, for the world. Um, it, it really is sort

01:02:08.909 --> 01:02:11.690
of irrelevant to me now. I, I enjoy treating

01:02:11.690 --> 01:02:16.309
as a, as an individual and, um, it also saves

01:02:16.309 --> 01:02:18.030
a lot of headaches. I don't have to manage anything.

01:02:18.110 --> 01:02:21.329
So no, my goals are just to stay a sole provider,

01:02:21.429 --> 01:02:25.039
uh, until I. Can't do it anymore. Got it. Now,

01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:27.400
Sarah's a prolific author. She writes children's

01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.340
books. She writes adult books. A lot about spirituality,

01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:33.420
consciousness. Sarah, based on what we covered

01:02:33.420 --> 01:02:36.139
today, what questions do you have that we haven't

01:02:36.139 --> 01:02:38.920
asked already? So, have you, outside of medicine

01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:45.780
and healing, had any psychic tendencies, intuitions,

01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:48.199
knowings that have come, and you don't know how

01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:51.880
you've arrived at those answers? I can't. Uh,

01:02:51.980 --> 01:02:53.800
I'm trying to think of any specifics. I think

01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:56.659
that is, I think everyone has that. They just

01:02:56.659 --> 01:02:59.260
don't necessarily pay attention to it or, um,

01:02:59.500 --> 01:03:02.380
you know, bring it up in conversation. But I

01:03:02.380 --> 01:03:05.860
know things like that come up in my office, people

01:03:05.860 --> 01:03:08.860
that are reluctant to even ascribe anything to

01:03:08.860 --> 01:03:11.329
what I'm doing in the beginning. Within a few

01:03:11.329 --> 01:03:13.050
sessions, they want to tell me about some alien

01:03:13.050 --> 01:03:15.010
experience or something that they've never been

01:03:15.010 --> 01:03:16.829
able to talk to anybody about. But now they realize

01:03:16.829 --> 01:03:19.989
everything's on the table. I mean, this guy's

01:03:19.989 --> 01:03:22.190
as weird as they get. Yeah. He's not going to

01:03:22.190 --> 01:03:24.170
be offended. Now my freak can come out. Exactly.

01:03:24.309 --> 01:03:26.789
Time to let it fly. Yeah. So I think everybody

01:03:26.789 --> 01:03:30.769
has intuitions and premonitions. In dreams and

01:03:30.769 --> 01:03:33.170
imagery, you know, I work with that. Imagery

01:03:33.170 --> 01:03:35.690
comes up for patients frequently. It comes up

01:03:35.690 --> 01:03:39.440
for me a lot. It's to me, it's just, again, what

01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:42.980
is in the field and it's taking some form. So

01:03:42.980 --> 01:03:46.079
it premonitions, I believe probably are something

01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.420
similar that you're, you're, you're simply accessing

01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:51.199
information in the field, the field of consciousness,

01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:54.280
it's all stored there and people access it differently.

01:03:54.579 --> 01:03:57.539
Um, a lot of patients have referred to me as

01:03:57.539 --> 01:04:00.239
psychic over the years. I don't like the stigma

01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:02.460
of that. It sounds like I've got a crystal ball

01:04:02.460 --> 01:04:06.050
or something like that. But when. You can say

01:04:06.050 --> 01:04:08.269
it's reading. If I never knew how to read the

01:04:08.269 --> 01:04:11.110
English language, it would seem like magic. If

01:04:11.110 --> 01:04:12.969
I'm looking at this paper and I'm telling you

01:04:12.969 --> 01:04:16.369
things that someone thought 10 years ago, and

01:04:16.369 --> 01:04:18.690
now I'm recalling, I'm just reading. So if you

01:04:18.690 --> 01:04:20.630
know how to read the field, that's all you're

01:04:20.630 --> 01:04:22.349
doing. There's information that's stored there.

01:04:22.469 --> 01:04:25.289
So I think everyone is reading the field. They're

01:04:25.289 --> 01:04:27.010
reading it in their way. They're accessing the

01:04:27.010 --> 01:04:29.420
information in their own way. You might call

01:04:29.420 --> 01:04:31.480
it psychic and they're seeing things that I don't

01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:33.659
see. It doesn't make it wrong. They've learned

01:04:33.659 --> 01:04:35.239
how to read in a different way, but they may

01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:37.199
not read what I can read. It's all information

01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:39.539
available. Now, I write a lot about the mind.

01:04:39.659 --> 01:04:44.260
So in terms of for me, I would say a healthy

01:04:44.260 --> 01:04:49.159
mind is the crux of everything. How do you feel

01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:53.860
about that statement? Healthy thought life. healthy

01:04:53.860 --> 01:04:58.119
attitude towards self thinking I write it I wrote

01:04:58.119 --> 01:04:59.960
a book called the mirror world and I talk about

01:04:59.960 --> 01:05:02.480
the propensity that I had for thoughts uploading

01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:05.519
in my mind that I didn't want there they were

01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:07.760
stagnant thoughts they'd be part of the future

01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:11.019
part of the past I can't change an argument I'd

01:05:11.019 --> 01:05:13.380
have with my husband and I realized I just had

01:05:13.380 --> 01:05:17.539
this whole thought system that was a default

01:05:17.539 --> 01:05:20.360
setting running itself and so I learned through

01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:22.900
meditation and mindfulness to be able to get

01:05:22.900 --> 01:05:25.320
that out of my mind and just live in awareness.

01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:29.239
Once I was able to do that, I felt healed and

01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.320
happy and have done for years. But my problem

01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:35.480
was in my thinking. And it was to do with a lot

01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:37.480
of trauma I had as a kid that I had to work through.

01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:40.139
You were carrying baggage like we all do. It

01:05:40.139 --> 01:05:42.579
was my inability to not control my mind, which

01:05:42.579 --> 01:05:45.179
was the issue. You can't be very efficient and

01:05:45.179 --> 01:05:46.659
powerful when you're carrying all that baggage.

01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.940
Nobody can. So when you learn to let go of that

01:05:49.940 --> 01:05:51.940
baggage, and that's really what... trauma is.

01:05:52.059 --> 01:05:54.199
You're just protecting yourself. There's baggage.

01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:58.360
There's no way I can open that box. It's, it's

01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:00.960
too painful. So we're going to wrap up because

01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:02.619
I know you have other appointments and I'm grateful

01:06:02.619 --> 01:06:05.519
to you, David, for coming to Treehouse Studio.

01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:08.300
I do have a question. You know, we talk a lot

01:06:08.300 --> 01:06:12.179
about your experience as a clinician, as a healer,

01:06:12.179 --> 01:06:14.699
your interaction with other people, but in terms

01:06:14.699 --> 01:06:18.519
of David Wright, the man operating, you know,

01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:21.659
you've got your soul journey. Right. So here's

01:06:21.659 --> 01:06:24.579
David moving through the space. You've got your

01:06:24.579 --> 01:06:26.480
chapter now where you're the healer and doing

01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:30.019
this thing. But to what degree to you, like you've

01:06:30.019 --> 01:06:33.400
been talking about being reactive to the field

01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:36.059
and interpreting the field, which to me, I pick

01:06:36.059 --> 01:06:39.820
that up as a passive, passive interpretive action.

01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:43.820
But to what degree do you deploy your consciousness

01:06:43.820 --> 01:06:48.679
into the matrix, into the field? Oh, wow. That's

01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:53.530
a great question. Well, personally, there's just

01:06:53.530 --> 01:06:56.230
on a personal level. Yeah. You know, that concept

01:06:56.230 --> 01:06:58.829
of if I get in the pool and there's 20 other

01:06:58.829 --> 01:07:01.429
people in the pool, I'm affecting all of them

01:07:01.429 --> 01:07:03.070
just by my presence in the pool because the,

01:07:03.070 --> 01:07:06.710
the water level has risen to some degree. So,

01:07:06.869 --> 01:07:11.130
um, I know I'm affecting it because I'm in it.

01:07:11.510 --> 01:07:13.550
Cause I have a tangential question. There's a

01:07:13.550 --> 01:07:15.989
follow on question, but so you're okay. So you're,

01:07:15.989 --> 01:07:18.929
we acknowledge that our presence alone affects.

01:07:19.789 --> 01:07:22.530
what's around us well according to rupert sheldrake

01:07:22.530 --> 01:07:25.449
our presence allows other people once we've elevated

01:07:25.449 --> 01:07:28.449
our vibration having done that to ourselves makes

01:07:28.449 --> 01:07:31.030
it easier for other people to do the same so

01:07:31.030 --> 01:07:33.309
it's by default that they can benefit to some

01:07:33.309 --> 01:07:35.849
extent so i'm going to follow up with with something

01:07:35.849 --> 01:07:38.849
very personal to me that i personally do and

01:07:38.849 --> 01:07:42.530
um i i literally bathe people in energy positive

01:07:42.530 --> 01:07:45.489
loving unconditional energy so an example would

01:07:45.489 --> 01:07:48.309
be i go to the store and i see a family squabble

01:07:48.309 --> 01:07:51.460
or some some dissonance within a family at the

01:07:51.460 --> 01:07:54.619
post office or store i will literally be there

01:07:54.619 --> 01:07:58.900
and i will literally visually hug the whole group

01:07:58.900 --> 01:08:02.260
just in infinite love and just and i will literally

01:08:02.260 --> 01:08:05.960
see them change now here's my question without

01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:09.139
their conscious willingness am i transgressing

01:08:09.139 --> 01:08:12.139
them huh by changing by biasing on this question

01:08:12.139 --> 01:08:14.760
by biasing the field am i transgressing them

01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:19.090
or should i allow them to be in that space Because

01:08:19.090 --> 01:08:22.210
I do see differences the moment, within moments

01:08:22.210 --> 01:08:24.310
of me bathing them with this positive energy.

01:08:24.310 --> 01:08:26.149
How could it be wrong if you're uplifting them?

01:08:26.149 --> 01:08:27.770
Well, because it's not, I'm not asking. You think

01:08:27.770 --> 01:08:29.529
you're right about interfering with their free

01:08:29.529 --> 01:08:31.590
will? I'm not asking their permission. That's

01:08:31.590 --> 01:08:33.630
right. So I'm wondering, what's your take on

01:08:33.630 --> 01:08:41.350
that? I have some convictions about always having

01:08:41.350 --> 01:08:43.409
permission. That doesn't mean I have to have

01:08:43.409 --> 01:08:45.109
a verbal, when they come to the office, they're

01:08:45.109 --> 01:08:46.529
giving me their permission. They wouldn't come

01:08:46.529 --> 01:08:48.270
without their, they're not, and I mean, I'm not.

01:08:48.670 --> 01:08:51.810
dragging them into my room. Well, what if there

01:08:51.810 --> 01:08:53.949
was no intention for me to bias the outcome?

01:08:54.149 --> 01:08:56.270
Like you're entering your clinical environment

01:08:56.270 --> 01:08:59.109
without biasing the outcome. What if I came into

01:08:59.109 --> 01:09:01.109
the pool and I was bright and I was singing a

01:09:01.109 --> 01:09:06.289
song and just enjoying life and it happened to

01:09:06.289 --> 01:09:09.909
bias somebody else? I'm not sure that there's

01:09:09.909 --> 01:09:13.090
one answer to that. I mean, so if you come across

01:09:13.090 --> 01:09:16.500
a person drowning. And you say, do I have your

01:09:16.500 --> 01:09:18.279
consent? You know, they're under the water. You

01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:20.220
know, they can't give you their consent. Maybe

01:09:20.220 --> 01:09:21.699
they're already drowned and you pull them out

01:09:21.699 --> 01:09:23.380
and you start giving them CPR or something. So

01:09:23.380 --> 01:09:25.819
that's a, you know, kind of a ridiculous example.

01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:30.520
I think that's very fair because I've acknowledged

01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:33.300
this. I've seen so many people, they must bottom

01:09:33.300 --> 01:09:36.800
out. To what degree do you, to what people have

01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:38.560
to bottom out. They have to go through hell to

01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:41.539
get to heaven. And so I don't want to interfere

01:09:41.539 --> 01:09:44.159
if they're in the process of bottoming out so

01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:47.319
they can come. and resurrect themselves and ascend,

01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:50.020
I don't want to interfere with that process.

01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:51.760
So with you then, when you walk into the post

01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:53.840
office and you can see a tricky situation, you

01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:56.359
want to come with all your energy, you could

01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:59.520
say, have you said to yourself, is my presence

01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.100
needed here or should I just back off? And that

01:10:02.100 --> 01:10:04.340
would be a prayer to the universe because you

01:10:04.340 --> 01:10:07.460
have the capacity to uplift people. You're at

01:10:07.460 --> 01:10:09.399
odds with it because you're wondering if you're

01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:11.039
interfering with their free will. And that's

01:10:11.039 --> 01:10:15.270
a really good perspective. Again, you know, when

01:10:15.270 --> 01:10:17.810
I enter that world, I don't want to interfere

01:10:17.810 --> 01:10:20.630
with their divine sovereignty, right? That would

01:10:20.630 --> 01:10:22.250
be when you would ask permission then. Well,

01:10:22.310 --> 01:10:24.270
this is where I would say, to whom do I ask permission?

01:10:24.289 --> 01:10:26.930
God, the greater field. The greater field. Yes,

01:10:26.970 --> 01:10:29.109
angels, whatever. So that's where the intuition

01:10:29.109 --> 01:10:31.409
comes in. Yes, exactly. Is this person drowning

01:10:31.409 --> 01:10:35.109
because they need to experience that near -death

01:10:35.109 --> 01:10:38.560
experience so they can enjoy life? or they legitimately

01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:40.819
do they need my help yeah and that's where you

01:10:40.819 --> 01:10:43.260
have to be in touch with your greater atmosphere

01:10:43.260 --> 01:10:45.619
to get that guidance because you've got the power

01:10:45.619 --> 01:10:48.520
obviously fair did you ever read that uh autobiography

01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:52.399
of a yogi with uh yogananda i've not paramahansa

01:10:52.399 --> 01:10:54.800
yogananda he was yes i have i've listened to

01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:57.000
it you should listen to it it's on youtube yeah

01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:00.789
he there's a so there's great magnificent feats

01:11:00.789 --> 01:11:04.289
that they his his guru teacher uh he observed

01:11:04.289 --> 01:11:06.630
and then he performed himself so miraculous type

01:11:06.630 --> 01:11:09.689
things one of them that he described was i think

01:11:09.689 --> 01:11:12.430
it was a deer and the students were all upset

01:11:12.430 --> 01:11:15.529
that this deer had died and he supposedly according

01:11:15.529 --> 01:11:18.810
to the story resurrected the deer but he was

01:11:18.810 --> 01:11:21.970
told by the deer what are you doing mind your

01:11:21.970 --> 01:11:26.850
own bloody business I didn't want this. I had

01:11:26.850 --> 01:11:29.609
lived, I had lived, I had lived my life. I had

01:11:29.609 --> 01:11:32.529
finished. Oh yeah. You've just interfered. Thank

01:11:32.529 --> 01:11:34.289
you for sharing that. I mean, this is good for

01:11:34.289 --> 01:11:35.729
me. That might actually help you. That was going

01:11:35.729 --> 01:11:37.750
to help me. So David, I don't want to, I want

01:11:37.750 --> 01:11:39.949
to respect your time. What closing thoughts?

01:11:40.050 --> 01:11:41.689
Has this been a good experience? It's been great

01:11:41.689 --> 01:11:43.670
for us. I've enjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah. It's been

01:11:43.670 --> 01:11:47.229
great. Sarah. Fascinating. And you look very

01:11:47.229 --> 01:11:50.399
happy. I can feel happiness around you. That's

01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:52.420
nice. I think you've got a really good job. I

01:11:52.420 --> 01:11:55.100
think it's useful. I believe in reincarnation.

01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:58.020
So for me, this would be in your life plan. Do

01:11:58.020 --> 01:11:59.579
you feel that you're doing what you were born

01:11:59.579 --> 01:12:03.039
to do? I didn't know this at, you know, 20, 25,

01:12:03.260 --> 01:12:05.680
30 years ago, but I do. You do. Looking back,

01:12:05.699 --> 01:12:07.300
you can see that this is all supposed to be happening.

01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:10.479
I can see my religious upbringing, what that.

01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:13.159
role, what role it played. I can see the political

01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:15.319
upbringing. I can see the medical upbringing.

01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.100
I can see how I had to fight and kick and buck

01:12:18.100 --> 01:12:20.819
and dig my heels in, in a certain, you said hitting

01:12:20.819 --> 01:12:23.880
rock bottom, sometimes emotionally, sometimes

01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:26.220
intellectually, whatever it might be to create

01:12:26.220 --> 01:12:28.739
a contrast in your life. Something to, we talk

01:12:28.739 --> 01:12:32.300
about all the time. We're always talking about

01:12:32.300 --> 01:12:34.500
this stuff. Well, David, in closing, do you have

01:12:34.500 --> 01:12:36.619
any final thoughts for any listeners that are

01:12:36.619 --> 01:12:38.699
kind of new to this space just before we wrap

01:12:38.699 --> 01:12:43.989
up? Um, if they're new to the space, um, you

01:12:43.989 --> 01:12:46.930
know, I was new to the space and I'm constantly

01:12:46.930 --> 01:12:50.310
reminded when people, you know, that look that

01:12:50.310 --> 01:12:51.729
it looks like there's a horn grown out of your

01:12:51.729 --> 01:12:53.390
head that people look at you. I don't know if

01:12:53.390 --> 01:12:55.489
anybody ever gets that look. I do. When I talk,

01:12:55.609 --> 01:12:57.609
when I talk, people are going, what is this guy

01:12:57.609 --> 01:13:01.250
on type of thing? Um, I'm used to that. And I

01:13:01.250 --> 01:13:05.409
always. remind myself i was them looking at the

01:13:05.409 --> 01:13:08.449
guys like me and so i know i can be a hypocrite

01:13:08.449 --> 01:13:12.310
absolutely i i i know what it's like to look

01:13:12.310 --> 01:13:15.489
at people talking that way and in some ways i

01:13:15.489 --> 01:13:18.390
believe part of my purpose that you mentioned

01:13:18.390 --> 01:13:21.590
uh i think it's kind of being a bridge because

01:13:21.590 --> 01:13:24.930
i can see what it was like and you're talking

01:13:24.930 --> 01:13:29.079
to a pretty rational logical concrete thinker

01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:34.119
who now is Mr. This cosmic joke was played on

01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:37.979
him to, you have to let go of that in order to

01:13:37.979 --> 01:13:40.859
experience what this gift or what this skill

01:13:40.859 --> 01:13:45.159
is. And you can't use your training in all this

01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:48.399
knowledge. It doesn't help in that, in that arena.

01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.960
So, um, I know what it's like for people that

01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:54.760
are very new to that. I made, I'm telling you,

01:13:54.779 --> 01:13:57.020
I made fun of, I'm not proud of it, but I'm that,

01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:59.500
that was, that was my background. I understand

01:13:59.500 --> 01:14:01.859
now what I was doing and I was afraid of it and

01:14:01.859 --> 01:14:05.100
things like that. Um, so over time you got over

01:14:05.100 --> 01:14:07.779
that. That's right. Other people over time can

01:14:07.779 --> 01:14:10.890
get, but I wasn't raised, you know, I wasn't

01:14:10.890 --> 01:14:13.329
called moonflower. You know, I wasn't my, it

01:14:13.329 --> 01:14:17.229
wasn't like that. We can start that. So, so I

01:14:17.229 --> 01:14:19.750
know what it's like to have come from a extremely

01:14:19.750 --> 01:14:23.970
fundamental conservative type of upbringing and

01:14:23.970 --> 01:14:27.909
then experience for yourself. No one else. You're

01:14:27.909 --> 01:14:29.930
alone. You're, you're experiencing on your own.

01:14:29.970 --> 01:14:33.010
You can't deny. It's one thing. If someone tells

01:14:33.010 --> 01:14:34.829
these stories, I've read all these books and

01:14:34.829 --> 01:14:36.090
I've read all these stories. They're all cool.

01:14:37.180 --> 01:14:39.779
I'm on the front line of this. I can't deny it.

01:14:39.819 --> 01:14:42.779
So I realize now what it's like to be like that.

01:14:42.819 --> 01:14:45.340
So for people that are getting these people,

01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:47.199
if they're getting their feet wet and you're

01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:49.039
making fun of all this and you're like, I'm not

01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:51.050
going to be one of those weirdos. I. I get it

01:14:51.050 --> 01:14:53.250
completely. You are preaching to the choir. I

01:14:53.250 --> 01:14:55.470
tell people when they look at me a certain way,

01:14:55.510 --> 01:14:56.930
some people, they look at me like I'm wearing

01:14:56.930 --> 01:14:58.670
a white robe and I'm floating above them. And

01:14:58.670 --> 01:15:01.189
that's inappropriate as well. I tell them I'm

01:15:01.189 --> 01:15:03.989
just as sick as you are in the hospital bed beside

01:15:03.989 --> 01:15:05.890
you. I'm trying to reach over and pull your cover

01:15:05.890 --> 01:15:07.869
up for you, but I'm telling you I'm struggling

01:15:07.869 --> 01:15:11.689
with the same stuff. So for people that are just

01:15:11.689 --> 01:15:16.189
not so sure, is that real? Is that what? That's

01:15:16.189 --> 01:15:18.850
okay. I mean, you don't have to become something.

01:15:19.010 --> 01:15:21.909
You don't have to fight. You don't have to follow

01:15:21.909 --> 01:15:24.050
my path. You don't have to, it it's your path.

01:15:24.130 --> 01:15:27.090
It'll unfold in your way in its time. And you

01:15:27.090 --> 01:15:28.609
don't have to become a therapist and you don't

01:15:28.609 --> 01:15:31.069
have to become a meditator. It, it will unfold

01:15:31.069 --> 01:15:33.329
in its way when people are, you know, that whole,

01:15:33.409 --> 01:15:36.090
when the student is ready, the teacher appears

01:15:36.090 --> 01:15:37.470
and the teacher is ready. The student appeared

01:15:37.470 --> 01:15:41.199
that, you know, vice it'll happen. So. Very relaxed

01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:42.920
approach to it. Yeah, this is very, very good.

01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:45.180
David, thanks for coming to the Treehouse. Thank

01:15:45.180 --> 01:15:47.000
you. It's been a long time. I've wanted to have

01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:49.840
you as a guest for so long. Thank you for your

01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:52.260
persistence. Oh, you're welcome. How do people

01:15:52.260 --> 01:15:55.319
get a hold of you? Oh, you mean for a session?

01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:56.920
Yeah, I mean, yeah, if they have questions or

01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:00.420
if they want a session or, I mean, do you have

01:16:00.420 --> 01:16:04.239
a website? I do. It's pain -free physical therapy.

01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:08.239
When I started my practice dot com, it is when

01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:09.859
I started my practice, one of my patients, I

01:16:09.859 --> 01:16:12.000
used to bark at my patients all the time when

01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.250
I did traditional physical therapy. Pain -free

01:16:14.250 --> 01:16:16.149
range of motion only. Pain -free range of motion

01:16:16.149 --> 01:16:18.670
only. I wanted them to hear when they were in

01:16:18.670 --> 01:16:21.829
bed at night. And one of my patients said, if

01:16:21.829 --> 01:16:23.850
you ever open your own practice and go into private

01:16:23.850 --> 01:16:26.250
practice, I know what the name of your company

01:16:26.250 --> 01:16:27.930
should be. I said, get to give it to me. And

01:16:27.930 --> 01:16:30.350
she said, pain -free physical therapy. It's like

01:16:30.350 --> 01:16:32.390
a little angel talking to you. I like it. So

01:16:32.390 --> 01:16:34.409
pain -free physical therapy. And you have a contact

01:16:34.409 --> 01:16:36.550
form. They just fill out the form. If they go

01:16:36.550 --> 01:16:39.250
to painfreephysicaltherapy .com, there's a phone

01:16:39.250 --> 01:16:42.170
number. There's email. They're my schedule. They

01:16:42.170 --> 01:16:43.829
can click on my schedule. if they just want to

01:16:43.829 --> 01:16:45.069
go right to scheduling appointments. That's awesome.

01:16:45.149 --> 01:16:47.350
And I'll put the links, your links in the show

01:16:47.350 --> 01:16:49.729
notes. Sarah, anything else for our people? No,

01:16:49.770 --> 01:16:51.569
I just want to thank you for coming on. I've

01:16:51.569 --> 01:16:53.949
really enjoyed talking to you. And I like your

01:16:53.949 --> 01:16:56.430
approach. It's very what will be with, you're

01:16:56.430 --> 01:16:59.310
not forcing anything. I mean, I believe that

01:16:59.310 --> 01:17:01.270
everyone is going to make it eventually. They

01:17:01.270 --> 01:17:03.130
have to go through their traumas and dramas,

01:17:03.529 --> 01:17:05.810
hit rock bottom and come out of it. You're there

01:17:05.810 --> 01:17:08.470
for them. Or if they need to stay in it, then

01:17:08.470 --> 01:17:10.189
that's fine with you as well. You don't have

01:17:10.189 --> 01:17:13.829
any agenda. You know what's interesting is they

01:17:13.829 --> 01:17:16.170
don't stay in it. When you have that agenda to

01:17:16.170 --> 01:17:18.390
hold space. They move through it. That's what's

01:17:18.390 --> 01:17:20.050
fascinating about it. If you're trying to push

01:17:20.050 --> 01:17:21.770
them, they don't. But you're exactly right. Yeah,

01:17:21.829 --> 01:17:24.170
that's lovely. Ladies and gentlemen, David Wright,

01:17:24.270 --> 01:17:25.989
thanks again for coming. Thank you. You're listening

01:17:25.989 --> 01:17:29.029
to Soul Decodes. And please, if you found something

01:17:29.029 --> 01:17:30.970
beneficial, please share it with others. I think

01:17:30.970 --> 01:17:33.109
there's some really good nuggets here. Yes, me

01:17:33.109 --> 01:17:35.470
too. And please share it with others. The reason

01:17:35.470 --> 01:17:37.609
we're growing is because people like you are

01:17:37.609 --> 01:17:39.989
sharing it. Thanks. We really appreciate you

01:17:39.989 --> 01:17:42.390
all doing that. And have a great day. We'll see

01:17:42.390 --> 01:18:03.210
you next week. Bye, everyone. Soul Decodes, a

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