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Enjoy the show. Welcome to Soul Decodes. Join

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us as we wander off the path to find the ideas

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that fascinate. We talk about spirituality, the

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mind, the ego, wellness and hidden history with

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tips, travels and tales. Charms for a better

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life. Welcome. My name is Dr. Tia Jolie Phillips.

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I am so excited today because we have our second

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guest. We'll introduce him in a moment. But today

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is October 31st, and this is episode 63. You're

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listening to Soul Decodes, and I'm with... The

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prolific author and thinker, Sarah Tirri. Hello,

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everyone. How are you doing, Sarah? Nice to be

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back. What's exciting in your world? It's my

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wedding anniversary today, 31 years, and it's

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my daughter's 28th birthday. I had my third child

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on my third wedding anniversary. Go figure. Happy

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birthday, sweetie. So glad. Now, we had a guest

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last week, and we learned some things from that,

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some things we can do better and things that

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we did really well. No interrogating. But we

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did get some really positive. the feedback so

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we so i've actually got more guests lined up

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but today we have our our friend um i met mike

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uh probably a couple months ago about a couple

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months ago so mike um why don't you mike Solis

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is pronounced Solis right Solis so uh

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Mike Solis is a graphic artist i actually contacted

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him because uh he was working at a graphic art

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he still is working at a graphic arts place and

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i wanted to get um a next version of my earth

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angel logo. And, um, Mike's like, yeah, we can,

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we can work on that for you. So I was super excited.

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But then as I got to know more of Mike, I was

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just really engaged, like really, um, soulful,

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spiritual level. He's a very earthy person. So

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Mike, I want to welcome you to soul decodes.

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Thank you. I want to thank both of you. Um, honestly,

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this is going to be a form of therapy for me.

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It's called integration. It's where you get,

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there's not too many people. There's not a lot

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of weird people like me out there that are doing

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what I'm doing. Yeah. So, um, you know, there's

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only so much that my business partner and my

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family can honestly take before you just kind

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of. I wouldn't say that it's a... Lonely? It's

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lonely, but it is not sad. No. It is not sad.

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Solitude, but not lonely. Yeah, I still haven't

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ran into my first ayahuasca in the wild, like

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out just cruising around. So before we get into

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all of this discussion, why don't we talk about,

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before we talk about your journey and your experiences

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with the spiritual aspect of ayahuasca and things

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like that, Who is Mike? Like, where'd you grow

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up? Where's your home? Like, give us the basics.

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Oh, basics. I was born here in Claremont. Okay.

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And my, like a brief run through my childhood

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was amazing. I had an amazing childhood. My parents

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had a large property on a lake. And yeah, my

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younger years were just filled with fishing,

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catching alligators, snakes. It was very... very

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nature jungle nature life you know um an amazing

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childhood and then you have siblings uh older

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brother and older sister and um and after that

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uh i did work with my parents all through middle

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school which is which i will get into later so

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i feel it's relevant with ego i'll explain that

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um the um i started working with my dad when

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i was around middle school all through high school

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and I like to say that, how to put it? I would

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say that the devil put his claws in my back at

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17, right before I turned 18. And from that point

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on, it was, it was the battle, you know, normal,

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nothing. My battle is no different than anybody

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else's battle. You know, it was just, it was

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just my battle. Yeah. It was just my battle.

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That's the, that's the moment he decided to take

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it, take his first bite. And, um, Yeah, traveled

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the country. I decided to get an RV right when

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I got out of high school. And it was just like,

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are you allowed a free talk? Is it a complete

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free talk? This is a complete conversation, whatever.

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Yeah, right when I got out of graduate high school,

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I was just like, fuck this, I got to leave. Like,

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I can't be here anymore. And did you have somewhere

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you wanted to go particularly or just wanted

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to get away? It was more of a, now I would say

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it was like a spiritual run. It was, it was more,

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there was more pressure and negative that was

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constantly hounding me that I just felt like

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I needed to get out. And yeah, I made it up to

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North Carolina with my cousin for about a year,

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just building stuff. And, um, then my mom got

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diagnosed with breast cancer. So I moved home.

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My parents sold the company because my dad decided

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that, you know, if you're going to battle a sickness

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that's all based around stress, stress is one

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of the key factors. So he was like, I just want

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to get rid of the business, the headaches. He

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bought an RV, and they just started traveling

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throughout her therapies. And I moved home for

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a year. It's funny because about one year later,

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she got a clear bill of health, and the people

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that bought over my parents' company ran it down,

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and they closed the doors. So when my mom got

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the clear bill of health, my dad went to the

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bank and got it right back. And we flipped the

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name. And then once they got kind of established

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and everything, I was like, all right, fuck it.

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I'm out of here again. You know, I got to leave

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again. And then I left and went to Texas for

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about a year and a half, maybe two years. Then

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I got a phone call that I had an opportunity

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to go up to California. So I was in California

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for three. And how was your mind during this

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time? Getting away, did it improve your mental

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health? It made it worse. It did. It made it

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worse. Yeah, that's where I really started fighting.

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Going from RV living to getting the RV in a situation

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where I couldn't access it regularly. And being

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in a spot where my only financial means were

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like two hours away from where my RV. So it was

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like, I'm just going to sleep in my truck Monday

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through Friday. So for clarity, like what were

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some of the struggles you were facing? Like,

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this is pretty cryptic to me. I see you, you

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grew up. I understand what happened with your

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family and your mom and your businesses. I get

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that. But when you're talking about the struggles,

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what types of struggles were we talking about

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here? Probably just the concept of who I am,

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what I am. Well, that's very central. That's

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very central to the theme of this because soul

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decodes is our premise is that each one of us

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has a soul and it's on a journey. And sometimes

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we can't figure out what's going on around us.

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So what you're sharing is very central, I would

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say, to what we talk about, right? So, yeah,

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I just want to clarify for brand new listeners,

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you know, there's such a stigma out there about,

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uh hallucinogenics and drugs and you know herbal

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remedies you know it's so negative i think um

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it's early though 17 because i did a sim but

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i was 33 and it happened much later i did have

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children so you're very young to be in that but

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probably an old soul because you would choose

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that at a young age yeah i've always felt like

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i was an old soul yeah yeah my favorite artist

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is bill withers Yeah, yeah. I've got this terrible

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joke to tell you quickly. How do you turn a duck

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into a soul singer? How? You put it in a microwave

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and it's Bill Withers. Sorry. So bad. So sorry.

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So you're on this journey. So for a few years,

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but you haven't improved mentally. Getting away

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didn't help. And your question, obviously, were

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they being answered? No, because I think that

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you get to a spot where you don't even know what

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you're asking. So you kind of get trapped in

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this. It's almost like when you have certain

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traumas, that section of your brain kind of shuts

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off to where when you try to access it, it's

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kind of like, I don't want to go there. I don't

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want to go there. But it's still a portion of

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your brain that should be being used. Yes. Integrated.

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Yes. But every time you try to emotionally anything,

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something triggers it, your defense mechanism

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is, I don't even want to open that door. And

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you just feel that pain of getting close to the

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energy. So you're curious, but also blocking

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the very area. Also blocking it. And I would

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say that even as I was traveling, I wasn't necessarily

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in a bad mindset. I wasn't necessarily in a bad

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place. I was excited. I was happy. I had friends.

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I was living life. But at the same time, it was...

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You know, you have your your own individual,

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you know, pains that you do know of that, you

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know, every time that comes up, you're it's a

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hit. And so I don't I don't really know. I'm

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I know exactly why I was running, but. I wouldn't

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say that I was in a depressed mindset. I was

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never depressed. I was never... It sounds a little

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bit like you didn't understand meaning. There

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was no meaning. Exactly. I was just going to

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say that. What's our purpose? Do you feel like

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your situation was unique to you or do you think

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it's pervasive in the world? Oh, I think there's

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a ton of people that are in the same position

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and where they just truly don't understand what

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we are or who we are. What makes you feel that

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way? What's the basis of your... assessment ayahuasca

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and i can't explain how i know how i because

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you can't there's certain things that when it

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happens to you you just understand it it doesn't

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have to be explained to you and it's more of

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like you understand something that you fully

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can't express but the feeling is so pure that

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you understand it like one one thing that i i've

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recently started understanding is You know, I

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believe in the concept of reincarnation to an

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extent. To an extent. I think after you would

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have a chance at a certain point to have, do

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you want to redo this? Yes, you can graduate.

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You can graduate to an extent to be like, do

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you want to redo this? It's like a brother you

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didn't know you had. I agree with that. And you

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can choose to come back at that point. You can

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choose to come back or you almost get into a

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spot where it's... It's not really a choice.

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It's almost like you you may have to be forced

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to redo this until and you're going to be forced

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to redo this until you figure out what exactly

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you are. Yeah. And so. I think in my novel, just

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briefly, I did Inauguration Hall, which was the

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second chapter, and we signed up for this and

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there was no backing out. But we knew that coming

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in and we knew it would be very difficult to

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return a lot of the times. And we do, we're committed.

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So we're not forced to come back because our

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original agreement, we signed up for it. But

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I agree with what you're saying. We just want

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to run a mile sometimes. Yes, and I would agree

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with that. It would also play into how I recently

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started feeling where I truly believe this is

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my last one. How good. Yes. That's fascinating.

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And I told you that when I first met, I said,

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I'm pretty sure this is my last time through

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here. I told you that. So you mentioned off the

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air, you know, backstage that there was this

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community of people. Do you think there's this

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community of people that surround you, people

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like you that because of the... ayahuasca experience

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or this this idea that they're seeking more about

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who they are and why they're here or both is

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there what what makes the community what's the

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basis of the community good question i've seen

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i've seen multiple different communities so there's

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communities when i first started drinking ayahuasca

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it was in a legalized church in orlando how old

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are you if you don't mind um it was a 2022 so

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i was 30 right now i'm 38 so it's maybe 35 34

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right around that age um and it's funny because

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i've always been the crazy one my whole life

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i've been the you know i've been i've had just

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kind of crazy ideas a little bit people think

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i'm calm i'm witty and kind of that was just

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my role and i can that faces off of a lot of

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an ego when we get into ego um and um So when

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I hit my low, I got to a spot where I understood

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I didn't want to die. I didn't want to leave

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this planet, right? But I was ready to die. I

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was ready to die. And in a spiritual, I didn't

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understand how. And I don't remember what got

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me to research ayahuasca. I can't remember that

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part. Maybe you were led. Somehow I was led.

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And I remember researching it and figuring out

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that, like, you can go off in the jungle and

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you can spiritually die. And I'm like, well,

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shit, this is exactly what I'm looking for. Like,

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oh, my God. Like, wow. And I'm an open book with

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my parents, with everyone. What did your parents

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think? Oh, at first, I remember I went and I

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told my dad. Because my dad is always the type

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that's... don't get tattoos. And yeah, yeah.

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You smoke cigarettes. I can smell it. You know

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what? Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so I go to him

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first because I, yeah, let's get it out of the

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way. I just kind of want to see his reaction.

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But, um, yeah, at first he was like, you know,

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it's the typical where he's back. Oh, you know,

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cause we have a good relationship. Did it surprise

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him? no he was more like you're an idiot you're

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crazy you know and then it led on to where like

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he would be cruising around the office and I'd

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be doing something he'd walk by me and I would

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just kind of pretend like I'm gonna throw up

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because in ayahuasca you can purge so um he would

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walk by and I'm like dad I'm be in the jungle

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and just he's like you're an idiot and I was

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like I kept telling him like I'm really gonna

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do this man I just want you to know you know

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and um and then um My wife, who was my girlfriend

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at the time, got pregnant. Oh, it's funny because

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we figured out that she was pregnant about a

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month before I was going to go. i had my itinerary

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i had everything a lot was going down i was getting

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ready to go mentally i've got a soul on the brink

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of leaving yes soul coming in yes and i like

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my i had my itinerary i knew the place i was

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going to go was in peru um i had everything lined

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up And then we figured out that when you say

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go, you're talking about go on this ayahuasca

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journey or go depart this place. Go on an ayahuasca

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journey. So I was going to my ideal. My first

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one was to go out of this, out of and go on my

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first one. But then I remember my wife telling

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me that we were pregnant and I love kids. I love.

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I'm super excited. I'm ready. You know, she was

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more worried, you know, because her parents are

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going to get upset. But I already knew I'm locked

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into this world regardless. This is my child.

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You know, so I was really excited. I was telling

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her like, you know, we're going to be fine. It's

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not. And then once she, you know, she goes off

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and goes to sleep or whatever, I won't lie. I

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went on my patio and I cried for about two days

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because I knew in my soul I was not going to

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leave to go. to do something that I don't know

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what was going to happen to me. Especially like

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I had to see my kid there. So I knew that. So

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you're kind of grieving a little bit. Yes. Because

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you would have gone otherwise. I would have gone.

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And that was, but it's all meant to be now. Sure.

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Did you realize that at the time? I realized

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that my opportunity to go was gone, but I didn't,

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I knew that the idea of me eventually finding

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it was not gone, but it was on a, pretty significant

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standstill because I knew that I would have had

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to wait until she's old enough. Yeah. Like it

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was the gamble. You don't know what's coming.

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And, um, yeah, your paternal instincts had taken

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over. Yeah. So I'm sorry to interject, but I'm

00:18:01.710 --> 00:18:04.630
just trying to get the picture here. At this

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point, your, your mom and dad are both still

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alive. Yep. And now are they currently still

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both alive? Yep. And if you could weave that

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in, cause as a parent, Because my son, I told

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you, he's in Austin, Texas. He's done ayahuasca.

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And as a parent, you know, these things go through

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my mind. Like, how did your parents respond or

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do they care? I mean, how's that all? I think

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at first. Well, your dad was like stupid little

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shit. That was the beginning. But when he sees

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the outcome, like now that you've been back and

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you can explain the journey, does he care or

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does he? Oh, he loves him. Okay. And it's surprising

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how they both are very intrigued. And it's with

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what I do. And it's only because my sister did

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it with me. So she comes with the cred. Yeah.

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And it was, it was beautiful. It was meant to

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be because about six years after maybe five or

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six years after my daughter was born, I was still

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in the spot where I'm researching this. This

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would be so amazing. Everyone thought I was crazy

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because I was talking about people. I want to

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do this. My sister thought I was crazy and my

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mom thought I was crazy. My dad thought I was

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my brother. Everyone's like, you're crazy for

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wanting to do this. And I bet they secretly admired

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it as well. Now, I think they do now for sure.

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For sure. But about four or five years later,

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my sister. Oh, I'm going to get, hold on. I brought,

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I brought tissue. I knew this was going to get

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me. I knew, um, I knew I would get, and I'm perfectly

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fine with emotions now. Okay. Me too. Oh yeah.

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I love them. But my sister actually came in to

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my house and sat on my couch and I remember her

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just looking at me and telling me, I think I

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want to do this with you. And I remember the

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exact feeling. That went through me. And everything.

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I just needed a fucking reason. That's all I

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needed at this point. I needed. Just a solid

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reason. And that's it. So I remember when she

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told me. She wanted to drink with me. I was just

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like Jess. I'll pay for this whole thing. I was

00:20:19.730 --> 00:20:23.970
like let's just go now. Let's book it. What made

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her volunteer? I would love to get her. to meet

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with you and she can come on and... Impulse her.

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So maybe we can have a follow -up. We could.

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Maybe if she's willing to jump on a mic and,

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you know... I'm sure she would really love to.

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I'll have to buy a fourth mic if it's together.

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I've had a good couple. Yeah. So this is a fascinating

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story. I'm grateful. And you're with two friends.

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So if you have to cry, go cry. Trust me, I will.

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I will when it hits me. Yep. But yeah, she was

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my reason. And she was going through a different

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aspect of life at me at the time. But what was

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the reason? For her? Yeah. No, you said she's

00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:08.880
my reason. What was the reason? My reason, I

00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:13.670
guess, was... It's hard to... I just say that

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she was the reason because at that point in my

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life. She was the catalyst. Your reason was your

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existential crisis, but she was the one that

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came along. She was the one. I just needed the

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reason for the reason. She nods you. She was

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the catalyst. So it was basically when she sat

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down and said that she wanted to do it with me.

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That's all I needed. That was the green light.

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Let's do this. Yes. Like now it's beyond me.

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So how long did it take from that moment till

00:21:39.710 --> 00:21:42.490
you actually get out? Did you go to Peru? No,

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there was a legalized ayahuasca church in Orlando.

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Wow. Is it still going? They're not going. Yep.

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We have to find the founders and let's get it

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back going again. But the community is amazing.

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Amazing community. There was an incident out

00:22:02.430 --> 00:22:05.430
of the church, right? I don't want to go too

00:22:05.430 --> 00:22:09.529
far into what, I don't know everything. But from

00:22:09.529 --> 00:22:13.069
everything I have gathered, the only, I do not

00:22:13.069 --> 00:22:15.809
blame the medicine. What, someone died? Yes.

00:22:15.849 --> 00:22:19.670
Yeah. Somebody passed away. This is what I've

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gathered because it was before I was even introduced.

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I want to say the church was around for about

00:22:23.150 --> 00:22:26.349
10 years. They were here for a long span and

00:22:26.349 --> 00:22:30.119
it was a religiously. fun like that's how they

00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.480
ran their company was a religious views and um

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yeah somebody ended up passing away and it's

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a shame isn't it because it's now around something

00:22:40.099 --> 00:22:42.440
that people might naturally disapprove of so

00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:44.700
it's going to be this caused that but you're

00:22:44.700 --> 00:22:46.759
going to have people die all around the world

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today any given situation what i find as a doctor

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i find it fascinating that here's one instance

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of one person dying of who knows what And how

00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:59.940
many beautiful transformations took place. But

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in the medical world, like the formal approved

00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:05.740
licensed medical world, if you take medications

00:23:05.740 --> 00:23:09.920
and your medical doctor does everything and you

00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:12.799
follow the medical instructions perfectly and

00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.380
you take the correct pharmaceuticals, correct

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timing, correct everything, and you do everything

00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:22.440
correctly and you die, no harm, no foul. No one's

00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.440
going to say that. And there's a whole... research

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iatrogenics iatrogenics is literally death by

00:23:30.339 --> 00:23:33.559
medicine or death by doctors medical doctors

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millions of people worldwide that are completely

00:23:37.339 --> 00:23:39.799
compliant with their medical doctor die millions

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and there's no no no talk of it so it was used

00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:48.039
as a scapegoat but yeah yeah anyway But yeah,

00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.519
throughout everything that I've just heard through

00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.000
the community and through what you can Google

00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:56.059
about it and stuff like that, I boiled it down

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to where I do not blame the medicine by any means.

00:24:00.140 --> 00:24:03.740
I think that there was a lot more going on and

00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:06.400
the person should have had medical care rather

00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:09.539
than spiritual care at a specific time. And so

00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:13.819
there was multiple ends. So was that the reason

00:24:13.819 --> 00:24:16.880
it was shut down? Yes. So with that as a backdrop,

00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.359
would you say if you were engineering the next

00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:21.200
version of the church, that maybe there should

00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:25.039
be some sort of an onboarding? Let's just make

00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:30.039
sure that there's a 48 -hour, like maybe do some

00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:33.380
basic tests. They do all that. They did all that.

00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:35.019
They do it all. Was there a doctor of medicine

00:24:35.019 --> 00:24:39.180
on standby? They had EMTs on staff. That's a

00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:41.980
lot of precautions worth taking. It was a beautiful

00:24:41.980 --> 00:24:48.190
facility. It really was. It was and I had a slight

00:24:48.190 --> 00:24:51.170
bias towards it at the beginning where when I

00:24:51.170 --> 00:24:53.609
first came across ayahuasca, I was like, now

00:24:53.609 --> 00:24:55.890
I want to go to the jungle. I don't want to go.

00:24:55.890 --> 00:24:59.990
Right. Yeah. I want the real thing. And after

00:24:59.990 --> 00:25:04.390
my sister said that she wanted to drink, it was.

00:25:05.769 --> 00:25:08.529
Let's do it. There's a place in Orlando. So when

00:25:08.529 --> 00:25:10.769
you were in this environment, was it a casual

00:25:10.769 --> 00:25:13.849
environment with lounge chairs? They had big

00:25:13.849 --> 00:25:17.029
maloca tent for ceremonies. They had a large

00:25:17.029 --> 00:25:20.049
property. They had campfires. They had cabins

00:25:20.049 --> 00:25:23.829
that you could rent out. It was all weekend ceremonies.

00:25:24.089 --> 00:25:26.849
So you did about three ceremonies per weekend.

00:25:28.269 --> 00:25:31.690
And how many people attended? Wow. I would say

00:25:31.690 --> 00:25:37.089
that there were... anywhere between, oh, it's

00:25:37.089 --> 00:25:40.089
got to be at least between 30 to 70 a weekend.

00:25:40.390 --> 00:25:43.009
Wow. Maybe more. And was there a fee involved?

00:25:43.490 --> 00:25:46.910
There's a fee. Yeah. And it was, it's, I mean.

00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.240
What price do you put on that kind of healing?

00:25:50.259 --> 00:25:51.420
Well, they've got to host you. They've got to

00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:52.799
feed you. They've got to host you. They feed

00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:54.759
you. They've got to give you accommodation. It's

00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:56.460
like going on a retreat. It's going on a retreat.

00:25:56.539 --> 00:25:57.640
And they have to pay for the medical staff. Yeah.

00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:00.759
So there was a fee. I don't remember what it

00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.619
was. I feel it was $1 ,100, $1 ,200 for the weekend.

00:26:05.859 --> 00:26:10.859
And were you very excited or nervous going into

00:26:10.859 --> 00:26:19.819
it? It was my first cup. I was excited. My second

00:26:19.819 --> 00:26:22.859
cup. So this is a cup of tea. It's a cup. Does

00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:26.160
it smell? It's bad. Is it? It doesn't smell.

00:26:26.180 --> 00:26:29.000
Did you shit yourself and puke? No, I do. You

00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.160
do throw up. You did throw up. Yes, I've thrown

00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:34.279
up multiple times. I've gotten. It's beautiful.

00:26:34.940 --> 00:26:37.299
it's it's not what people think and you don't

00:26:37.299 --> 00:26:39.480
keep retching after you've thrown up you can

00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.880
settle down yes yes and they call it the purge

00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:46.240
where you're purging out anything negative or

00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:50.240
but I've also had purges where I've thrown up

00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.900
and then my journey has started and everything

00:26:52.900 --> 00:26:56.680
started going and I've also had very powerful

00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.680
ceremonies to where I went through the entire

00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.799
experience to the end and I got up and went and

00:27:04.089 --> 00:27:08.289
and purged and that purge is what made me release

00:27:08.289 --> 00:27:11.849
back to me so i have this connection with it

00:27:11.849 --> 00:27:15.250
to where i don't look at it as throwing up even

00:27:15.250 --> 00:27:18.150
you maybe sounds like a useful aspect of it and

00:27:18.150 --> 00:27:22.630
you're releasing it's a very spiritual connection

00:27:22.630 --> 00:27:27.730
with it yeah um i so so you had your first cup

00:27:27.730 --> 00:27:30.450
of tea and then you you threw up and then then

00:27:30.450 --> 00:27:37.940
what happened my first My first ceremony was,

00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:42.539
um, was my first main traumatic, my first trauma.

00:27:43.019 --> 00:27:48.880
I look at, I look at traumas as almost like major

00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.240
and minors and there's major and minor good moments.

00:27:52.539 --> 00:27:54.980
And there's almost like you still have your flats,

00:27:54.980 --> 00:27:59.819
almost like a piano where, and with ayahuasca,

00:27:59.859 --> 00:28:07.980
it's a complete. visual realm that you can't

00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:12.240
explain because it's almost 5d wow and there's

00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.960
a different level of a connection with it to

00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:19.740
where you are it at a different level to where

00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:23.240
when you nothing is physically spoken but to

00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:27.140
me at least i don't have any physical words But

00:28:27.140 --> 00:28:29.380
I can tell you my grandmother. But you're interfaced

00:28:29.380 --> 00:28:31.700
with it. You're connected with it. You would

00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:35.200
be able to see something and then you would just

00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:39.640
be like, I hear you. I understand. I've seen

00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:47.180
shamanic things, huge shamanic heads radiating

00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:52.700
smoke and just chanting. And I'll just be in

00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:56.220
front of this massive realm with this in it.

00:28:56.859 --> 00:29:01.779
And in that realm, are you encountering another

00:29:01.779 --> 00:29:04.980
being or are you encountering an aspect of yourself

00:29:04.980 --> 00:29:08.900
through another being? I wouldn't say there's

00:29:08.900 --> 00:29:12.359
another being. I mean, it's a very motherly presence.

00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.619
Ayahuasca is very motherly. They call it the

00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:19.400
grandmother because the concept is your grandmother

00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:23.930
will whoop your ass. But she'll also be the most

00:29:23.930 --> 00:29:26.849
gentle and kindest soul that you've met. All

00:29:26.849 --> 00:29:29.049
in the same. Oh, that's interesting. So ayahuasca

00:29:29.049 --> 00:29:32.569
is the grandmother medicine. And it's so true.

00:29:33.549 --> 00:29:38.289
It'll put you into, I don't feel like there's

00:29:38.289 --> 00:29:41.609
necessarily another entity. It's more of me figuring

00:29:41.609 --> 00:29:45.640
out. What's important in my life and how I can

00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:49.240
truly filter through all of this on top of seeing

00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:54.000
these realms that are unexplainable. So I've

00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.859
been to multiple different realms and I could

00:29:56.859 --> 00:29:59.819
talk about days about the orbs and the lights

00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:02.000
and the snakes and all these different realms.

00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:06.160
But all of that is just minor background noise

00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:13.869
to my majors. Right. Like my major trauma, oh,

00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:17.990
I fought so hard that night. So in this experience,

00:30:18.170 --> 00:30:21.509
your major trauma was something that was being

00:30:21.509 --> 00:30:24.150
focused on. You had the peripheral stuff going

00:30:24.150 --> 00:30:27.170
on, which is less important, but what you were

00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:32.970
required to face came up? Okay, so I have a good

00:30:32.970 --> 00:30:36.690
one that I will talk about a specific. I consider

00:30:36.690 --> 00:30:39.490
it a major, but a major trauma that hasn't happened.

00:30:40.089 --> 00:30:47.329
And so I want to say on my sixth, my sixth ayahuasca

00:30:47.329 --> 00:30:51.269
journey, I got presented. This is going to be

00:30:51.269 --> 00:30:53.650
a good one. And I want to tell this one because

00:30:53.650 --> 00:30:55.829
I know my dad will be listening to this. Oh,

00:30:55.829 --> 00:30:58.170
hello, dad. Hi, dad. Good to see you. I know

00:30:58.170 --> 00:31:01.849
he'll hear it. And it's so hard to let him know

00:31:01.849 --> 00:31:05.069
in a genuine, like how, you know, it's hard.

00:31:05.769 --> 00:31:10.569
And that whole night I got presented with him

00:31:10.569 --> 00:31:14.109
standing in front of me. And it was the whole

00:31:14.109 --> 00:31:19.190
the whole basis around it. Your dad died. He's

00:31:19.190 --> 00:31:23.049
gone. The concept of him dying. And I fought

00:31:23.049 --> 00:31:28.710
so hard on that floor crying. Just the emotions.

00:31:28.769 --> 00:31:31.630
The emotions are attached to what you're going

00:31:31.630 --> 00:31:35.039
through to where. The door opens. You can't help

00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.880
it because it's going to come out. And all you

00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:44.619
can do is fight. And it was unbelievable. I fought

00:31:44.619 --> 00:31:49.480
so hard for him on that floor that night to a

00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:53.319
point that he won't even understand how much

00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.759
he means to me. It was almost like if you're

00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.359
dangling your family off of the ledge and you're

00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.680
holding that rope. you're holding that rope beyond

00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:08.359
you. It's superhuman. It's superhuman. That fight

00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:11.559
is superhuman. And that's what it does to you.

00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:16.160
It puts you to that superhuman fight until you

00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.759
are completely done. And it won't let you give

00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:24.619
up. But it holds you in that spot until my dad

00:32:24.619 --> 00:32:27.779
in the vision would be able to look down at me

00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:30.579
and just give me, like I said, it's not. spoken

00:32:30.579 --> 00:32:34.000
you just understand and i understood from him

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:39.079
i'm so fucking proud of you like you're holding

00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.640
on like like you need to let go because everybody

00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:46.079
else let go a long time ago right and i'm proud

00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.920
of you like but let me let me explore what you're

00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.900
tapping into like let me show you myself and

00:32:54.900 --> 00:33:00.670
it was so sad it was so hard to let go and to

00:33:00.670 --> 00:33:04.750
accept it, that it's going to happen, you know?

00:33:04.849 --> 00:33:07.029
And did you think this was going to be imminent

00:33:07.029 --> 00:33:10.450
when you bounced out of this journey? No, because

00:33:10.450 --> 00:33:13.289
the crazy thing is at the end of that journey,

00:33:13.430 --> 00:33:16.849
when I finally let him go and I finally gave

00:33:16.849 --> 00:33:22.130
my final tear, he ended up turning into an American

00:33:22.130 --> 00:33:26.690
Eagle, right? And he flew off into this realm.

00:33:27.630 --> 00:33:29.950
And I was so happy for him. It was free. It was

00:33:29.950 --> 00:33:33.109
free. He came from Cuba. What a beautiful ending.

00:33:33.349 --> 00:33:36.569
It was beautiful. And when I opened my eyes on

00:33:36.569 --> 00:33:39.970
that floor and I took my first breath again,

00:33:40.069 --> 00:33:42.049
like, you know, your first conscious, you know,

00:33:42.069 --> 00:33:43.789
you're there, you're back. Back in the realm.

00:33:45.369 --> 00:33:51.210
It was almost, it was the, I wouldn't say it

00:33:51.210 --> 00:33:54.519
was the hardest. It was. the most spiritual push

00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.259
-up I've ever done in my life. Because when I

00:33:57.259 --> 00:34:00.880
pushed myself off of that floor, it felt like

00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:06.420
I was ripping myself out of his shadow, in a

00:34:06.420 --> 00:34:08.679
sense. Because I've always worked under him.

00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:13.340
But I feel like I ripped myself out of that shadow,

00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:18.159
became my own person. And the moment I got all

00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:21.519
the way up, I reconnected with him spiritually,

00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:27.820
and then I became him. Wow. And since that experience,

00:34:28.059 --> 00:34:31.659
right, and that one rocked me pretty hard. I

00:34:31.659 --> 00:34:34.239
didn't have breakfast the next morning. My buddy

00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:39.579
Mike. Did you feel lighter? I feel like I'm living

00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:42.760
on bonus time with him. I feel like whatever

00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:47.940
I grieved, I've grieved it. I've accepted the

00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:50.739
fact it's going to happen one day. He's in his

00:34:50.739 --> 00:34:54.659
70s. He's lived an amazing life. He's escaped

00:34:54.659 --> 00:35:00.860
communism from Cuba. My grandparents were multimillionaires,

00:35:00.860 --> 00:35:04.960
had massive factories. Castro took it all, and

00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.519
they got on a flight like a vacation and came

00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:11.599
to Miami. My dad grew up in the ghettos of Miami.

00:35:12.590 --> 00:35:14.610
Created a business, which now me and my business

00:35:14.610 --> 00:35:19.010
partner own. And now he's retired, traveling

00:35:19.010 --> 00:35:23.730
with their RV. An amazing life. A hard one, but

00:35:23.730 --> 00:35:27.409
amazing. So you have a fear of him dying. Is

00:35:27.409 --> 00:35:30.869
this fear of him dying or death in general? Or

00:35:30.869 --> 00:35:35.010
was this a tangential question to that? Yes,

00:35:36.949 --> 00:35:39.289
there's a relationship between you and your father.

00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.119
your father and you, but also it's the image,

00:35:43.179 --> 00:35:47.079
it's the concept of a father and where you rack

00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.800
and stack, not only against his measurement for

00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.619
you, but your measurement for you too. Like there's

00:35:53.619 --> 00:35:56.880
this resolution about, yes, you're every bit

00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.139
the man, because you look at your dad as this

00:35:59.139 --> 00:36:02.539
freaking amazing person that he is, and there's

00:36:02.539 --> 00:36:05.280
this part of you that says, you know, do I stack

00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.699
up? There's this part of, and when he says to

00:36:08.699 --> 00:36:13.210
you, how amazing you are, that's actually, we

00:36:13.210 --> 00:36:16.690
call that the blessing. When a parent gives the

00:36:16.690 --> 00:36:19.010
child, and this should happen in real time, in

00:36:19.010 --> 00:36:22.610
a perfect family, you know, Sarah's raising the

00:36:22.610 --> 00:36:25.230
children. The children look up to Sarah and admire

00:36:25.230 --> 00:36:28.710
her or admire her husband, right? They look up

00:36:28.710 --> 00:36:30.809
to Tony and Sarah and they say, oh, you know,

00:36:30.829 --> 00:36:33.849
these are my idols, right? And the children are

00:36:33.849 --> 00:36:36.869
looking up and that you're their idols. The blessing

00:36:36.869 --> 00:36:41.469
comes when you say to them, I'm everything that

00:36:41.469 --> 00:36:42.969
you're going to be, but you're going to be so

00:36:42.969 --> 00:36:46.190
much more, right? That's the parental blessing.

00:36:46.510 --> 00:36:49.550
And I think it's something that we parents all

00:36:49.550 --> 00:36:51.889
do. Like, I did that to my children. It's like,

00:36:51.909 --> 00:36:54.610
they look at my biography, they're like, holy

00:36:54.610 --> 00:36:56.309
crap, you know, I can't do that. And I'm like,

00:36:56.349 --> 00:36:59.500
no, no, no, you'll do more. You'll do much more.

00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.619
You have to set yourself free. And that's a parental

00:37:02.619 --> 00:37:05.599
blessing. So what you experienced is legitimately

00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.280
a parental blessing. And sometimes we don't always

00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:13.159
get it from our actual parents. Like my physical,

00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:15.699
biological parents were both broken in some ways.

00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:18.719
So you have to get to this place where... If

00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.079
your parents don't give that to you, you have

00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.219
to get it to yourself or through a mentor. Like

00:37:24.219 --> 00:37:26.539
I had other mentors, especially business mentors,

00:37:26.659 --> 00:37:30.139
that told me how amazing I am, how powerful I

00:37:30.139 --> 00:37:32.980
am, how beautiful I am, how I can do things.

00:37:33.139 --> 00:37:36.099
Those things didn't come from my parents. But

00:37:36.099 --> 00:37:38.579
they came from another source. In this case,

00:37:38.659 --> 00:37:40.559
they may have come from your parents in some

00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:44.340
degree, but at your soul level, you needed to

00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:46.719
receive. You needed to be in a place where you

00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:49.780
could receive that blessing. Did you feel inadequate

00:37:49.780 --> 00:37:53.440
around your father? Was that something that you

00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.800
had felt because of all he'd been through and

00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.559
his achievements? Not necessarily. Because even

00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:05.119
that experience to me, it... The way I came away

00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.619
with that and the way I feel is the plant medicine

00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:14.519
blessed me with future trauma. So not only am

00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:19.320
I going to use this medicine to tackle my problems,

00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.860
my traumas, it allowed me to tackle a future

00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:27.659
trauma. I can't tell you how I feel about that

00:38:27.659 --> 00:38:31.800
scenario. I can, but it's hard to explain because...

00:38:32.590 --> 00:38:35.389
I have already grieved it. So when it actually

00:38:35.389 --> 00:38:37.610
happens... So when it actually happens, I know

00:38:37.610 --> 00:38:42.869
there will be a new type of trauma, but I am

00:38:42.869 --> 00:38:47.150
fully prepared to stand there strong with my

00:38:47.150 --> 00:38:50.730
wife and my child and both of my kids, my mom,

00:38:50.789 --> 00:38:53.889
if she's, you know, whoever, and explain to them

00:38:53.889 --> 00:38:57.590
that it's okay. You're right. That it's going

00:38:57.590 --> 00:38:59.869
to be okay. So it's preparing you for a future

00:38:59.869 --> 00:39:02.250
moment of helping heal someone else. It prepared

00:39:02.250 --> 00:39:07.829
me to be able to... Because if you hadn't have

00:39:07.829 --> 00:39:09.809
been prepared, you might have broken down in

00:39:09.809 --> 00:39:12.409
that situation and been useless to everyone else

00:39:12.409 --> 00:39:15.030
around you. So it's allowing you to... It allowed

00:39:15.030 --> 00:39:17.449
me to get it out. Get it out so you can be of

00:39:17.449 --> 00:39:21.210
use. And yep, and I fully... Is your father healthy

00:39:21.210 --> 00:39:23.590
now? Yep, he's doing good. I mean, 70 is pretty

00:39:23.590 --> 00:39:27.469
young. 70 is very young. I'm talking to you as

00:39:27.469 --> 00:39:33.510
a 63 -year -old. 70 is very young. So that was

00:39:33.510 --> 00:39:36.389
a shock then to go through that. It was a shock.

00:39:36.389 --> 00:39:38.969
I'm very surprised that this is your story. I

00:39:38.969 --> 00:39:40.650
mean, nothing really surprises me, but that's

00:39:40.650 --> 00:39:44.010
very specific. And I guess it's what the universe

00:39:44.010 --> 00:39:48.409
knew that you needed. I believe that ayahuasca...

00:39:48.889 --> 00:39:52.130
The chemical is dimethyltryptamine, is what the

00:39:52.130 --> 00:39:55.429
base chemical boils down to. And I've read some

00:39:55.429 --> 00:39:58.590
stuff about it, and I truly believe that it's

00:39:58.590 --> 00:40:01.949
alive. And it's completely different than every,

00:40:02.050 --> 00:40:05.349
because small background with me, I don't do

00:40:05.349 --> 00:40:09.630
drugs. I have never done, you know, smoked some

00:40:09.630 --> 00:40:12.730
pot, you know, like every other kid. But when

00:40:12.730 --> 00:40:15.570
I was living in California, I was around it all.

00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.019
I could have very easily gotten anything I wanted.

00:40:19.460 --> 00:40:22.480
Nothing interests me. That doesn't interest me

00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.420
to do that. You're not looking to get a buzz,

00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:26.679
are you? I'm not looking to get a buzz. You're

00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:28.420
looking to get an experience. And what's funny

00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:31.780
is my wife asked me, which is another one. I

00:40:31.780 --> 00:40:35.760
don't get to openly tell my wife how much she

00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:38.940
truly means to me. Because there's not a lot

00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:42.539
of women that will let their husband go do this

00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:46.659
ten times. You know? Go do... Bufo six times.

00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:48.780
Did she think that you were a better version

00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:51.780
of yourself after doing, when you returned home?

00:40:51.980 --> 00:40:54.300
Was she able to be on that journey just seeing

00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:56.719
how you were with, or did she think that it messed

00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.400
you up? I know that she knows it didn't mess

00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.260
me up. Right. I don't know if she has fully been

00:41:02.260 --> 00:41:06.920
able to see the true change, because for me it

00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.920
wasn't much of a physical change, so much as...

00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:16.579
Interior. I'm free. My soul is free. And it's

00:41:16.579 --> 00:41:21.559
the first time I've ever been free. And so, like,

00:41:21.579 --> 00:41:23.960
she never really gets to hear it. It's an incredible

00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.219
platform to continue on with your life on planet

00:41:27.219 --> 00:41:31.360
Earth to feel free like that. I have. I'm a journeyer.

00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:37.139
My sister knew it, you know, and I will be using

00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:40.360
my plant medicine for as long as I'm allowed

00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:45.719
to, as long as I can. And I sacrifice every day.

00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.639
I bust my ass at work, jujitsu with the kids,

00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:53.800
weekends trying to make sure they're happy. One

00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:55.139
of my buddies will call and say, hey, you want

00:41:55.139 --> 00:41:59.199
to go fishing for the day? No, I'm home. Because

00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.420
when I go for my weekend, I want to make sure

00:42:02.420 --> 00:42:07.659
my soul understands you deserve this. I feel

00:42:07.659 --> 00:42:12.849
the release. My wife will understand. And go,

00:42:13.070 --> 00:42:17.070
you know, be free, go do your thing. And I don't

00:42:17.070 --> 00:42:19.889
ask for anything. What's the gap in between journeys?

00:42:20.349 --> 00:42:22.889
What would that ideally be for you if you could?

00:42:23.429 --> 00:42:26.949
Oh, if I could schedule my own healing ceremonies

00:42:26.949 --> 00:42:30.789
for me where I'm at a different level with it

00:42:30.789 --> 00:42:33.269
to where I wouldn't necessarily say I'm going

00:42:33.269 --> 00:42:39.730
in for trauma release because I don't feel like

00:42:39.730 --> 00:42:43.659
I... I feel like now I'm going to just, I'm,

00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.619
I'm building my home and it's hard to like, I

00:42:47.619 --> 00:42:52.860
believe that I don't believe hell exists. I think

00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:56.440
it does, but not what people think it is because

00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:02.260
I don't think that God's almighty angel would

00:43:02.260 --> 00:43:08.789
get banished here. And then he would automatically

00:43:08.789 --> 00:43:14.230
get his own realm. Right? He doesn't get shit.

00:43:14.489 --> 00:43:16.230
You have to read my book. I'll give it to you.

00:43:16.949 --> 00:43:23.309
You'll love her book. I don't think hell exists.

00:43:24.010 --> 00:43:28.489
I think that... Okay, so even another deeper

00:43:28.489 --> 00:43:31.409
one is I almost am at the point where I believe

00:43:31.409 --> 00:43:35.769
Jesus sacrificed himself for our sins. That concept.

00:43:36.110 --> 00:43:40.409
I'm not very religious. I grew up without a religious

00:43:40.409 --> 00:43:43.130
base. For the most part, my sister was Christian,

00:43:43.230 --> 00:43:46.030
Catholic. My parents were Christian. By the time

00:43:46.030 --> 00:43:48.010
I was old enough to start going to church, my

00:43:48.010 --> 00:43:49.329
parents were probably like, fuck this. These

00:43:49.329 --> 00:43:51.289
other two, my older brother and sister are paying

00:43:51.289 --> 00:43:53.789
in the ass trying to get them ready. And at that

00:43:53.789 --> 00:43:56.619
time, church was... You present yourself very

00:43:56.619 --> 00:43:59.039
nice. You dress up for church. Nowadays, you

00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:03.539
just roll in. So I didn't really grow up in the

00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:07.900
church. And since my last ayahuasca experience,

00:44:08.219 --> 00:44:11.460
I have started reading the Bible. Take it with

00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:14.599
a grain of salt. I feel like it's tarnished a

00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:19.280
little bit through humans. But the concept of

00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:24.539
Jesus died for our sins, it sticks with me. I

00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:29.000
believe that Jesus didn't die to wipe away our

00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:33.699
sins. I believe Jesus died fighting for our right

00:44:33.699 --> 00:44:37.199
to be given a chance to cleanse ourselves of

00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.900
our sins and go home. So I almost think that

00:44:40.900 --> 00:44:43.760
by Jesus sacrificing himself for our sins, he

00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:47.840
also created hell, which is a beautiful place.

00:44:50.059 --> 00:44:53.860
I believe that almost... So hell was inadvertently

00:44:53.860 --> 00:44:58.500
created by Jesus. By Jesus' sacrifice. And the

00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:04.400
concept of hell, to me, is that I believe everybody's

00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:08.239
going to hell. 99 % of the planet will go to

00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:11.360
their own version of hell. It's not going to

00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:15.940
be demon fires. No, it's going to be this trauma.

00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.000
that trauma it's going to be this person that

00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:20.980
you pissed off and you felt bad about it's going

00:45:20.980 --> 00:45:23.780
to be that person you treated like an it's going

00:45:23.780 --> 00:45:27.860
to be everything that is negatively impacted

00:45:27.860 --> 00:45:32.900
you through the devil because you will not be

00:45:32.900 --> 00:45:36.820
allowed to enter the most peaceful realms without

00:45:36.820 --> 00:45:39.960
at first becoming at peace. So it's the concept

00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.260
of if you come in your mom or your grandmother's

00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:45.820
house with dirty shoes, you're taking that shit

00:45:45.820 --> 00:45:48.780
off. If you've got dirt coming up to your knees

00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:50.500
and on your shoulder, you're taking a shower

00:45:50.500 --> 00:45:54.440
before you come in the house. And so everyone

00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.559
has this fear of a hell, but they don't understand

00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.739
that it's probably one of the most. But it's

00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:03.699
also one of the most beautiful experiences. It's

00:46:03.699 --> 00:46:06.500
not even in hell. It's an evolution. It's you

00:46:06.500 --> 00:46:10.199
shedding all of your shit so that you can actually

00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:15.690
become in a peaceful. I think the way you're

00:46:15.690 --> 00:46:18.429
describing it is so unlike the hell that we've

00:46:18.429 --> 00:46:20.650
been tortured with, isn't it? It's not even a

00:46:20.650 --> 00:46:23.389
hell at that point. I don't know the term that

00:46:23.389 --> 00:46:24.929
I would use, but I'm going to think about that.

00:46:25.030 --> 00:46:29.929
But it's a distinctive place of just facing what

00:46:29.929 --> 00:46:32.329
you've created. You're facing your own creation.

00:46:32.469 --> 00:46:35.469
This is a fascinating conversation because just

00:46:35.469 --> 00:46:39.269
two days ago, I sent you the first maybe 20 minutes

00:46:39.269 --> 00:46:42.880
of an interview. and it was on a YouTube channel.

00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:44.760
I'll go ahead and leave a link to it in the show

00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.519
notes, but it's called The Essene Teachings on

00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:51.559
Resurrection and Christ and the Tree of Life.

00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:54.719
It dovetails perfectly with what he just said

00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:01.019
because the idea of hell is based on the polarity

00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:06.099
or the divergence of concepts, and the teachings

00:47:06.099 --> 00:47:09.440
of the Christ would be one of oneness. Bringing

00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:13.159
those diverging concepts into a conflict resolution,

00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.659
so if you have trauma, healing the trauma, if

00:47:16.659 --> 00:47:19.340
you have whatever your hell is, bringing that

00:47:19.340 --> 00:47:22.460
to some sort of level of understanding, the net

00:47:22.460 --> 00:47:26.960
effect of that is that you become wiser, smarter,

00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:29.360
more powerful, so you can get to your personal

00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:33.199
next level. The whole idea of an ascension is

00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.079
not something like where you go to this level

00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.340
of heaven where the clouds are brighter and shinier.

00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.539
It's a level of ascension where you come to an

00:47:40.539 --> 00:47:43.719
inner knowing of your personal self. It's the

00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:45.619
whole thing. The kingdom of God is within you.

00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:50.619
And so the Essenes, like Jesus, the Nazarene,

00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:55.059
the Nazarenes, Nazarene, Nazareth, it's a compound

00:47:55.059 --> 00:47:59.239
word where the Essenes were one of three major

00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.440
sects. There was the Sadducees, the Pharisees,

00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:04.440
and the Essenes. The Sadducees and Pharisees,

00:48:04.460 --> 00:48:08.889
they were power ego structure. And the Essenes

00:48:08.889 --> 00:48:12.010
were very soulful. And so the messages that you're

00:48:12.010 --> 00:48:14.750
talking about and the relationship with the Earth

00:48:14.750 --> 00:48:18.610
Mother and the angels of the Earth, those are

00:48:18.610 --> 00:48:22.489
very Essenic in terms of nature. So I sent you

00:48:22.489 --> 00:48:24.789
the video about the Essenes. I've been talking

00:48:24.789 --> 00:48:27.750
about the Essenes, the gospel of peace for a

00:48:27.750 --> 00:48:31.829
year now. But now it's coming mainstream. I saw

00:48:31.829 --> 00:48:34.110
that video. I'm like, here are these people finally

00:48:34.110 --> 00:48:37.619
talking about the Essenes and about... Jesus,

00:48:37.619 --> 00:48:40.059
the Christ, which simply means the anointed.

00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:44.480
The anointed is simply the anointing that you

00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.119
get from these experiences in this earth space.

00:48:47.420 --> 00:48:49.059
Yes, I think we're all anointed. We're all anointed.

00:48:49.300 --> 00:48:53.440
And like you perfectly said, Mike, your hell

00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.840
is very different than my hell. And it's very

00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:00.460
different from her hell, right? Some of us, but

00:49:00.460 --> 00:49:03.860
the hell is there to serve us. It's like if I

00:49:03.860 --> 00:49:06.639
go to the weight room and I look at... A 200

00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:08.579
-pound weight set, I'm like, oh, that's going

00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:11.440
to be hell. But you know that that's here to

00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:13.480
serve me. It's there to make me stronger and

00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.920
make me more powerful. And that's the way I look

00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.639
at the hell. It's not a punishment. It's something

00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:21.539
that you accept. You're like, okay, I'm going

00:49:21.539 --> 00:49:23.679
to have to bottom. You have to go through hell

00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:25.840
to get to heaven, literally. That's part of being

00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:29.059
a creator. You have to face what it is that you've

00:49:29.059 --> 00:49:31.940
created. And you have to accept that, still love

00:49:31.940 --> 00:49:33.860
yourself, still go through it. And then in karma,

00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:35.860
do you believe if reincarnation exists, we're

00:49:35.860 --> 00:49:37.599
going to experience the karma of being an asshole?

00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.460
And I didn't want to take us off track, but I

00:49:40.460 --> 00:49:43.119
think it's so relevant because what you're speaking

00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:47.360
of dovetails almost perfectly with the teachings

00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.260
that were hidden from us in approximately 350

00:49:52.260 --> 00:49:55.130
AD. A lot of the teachings that you're talking

00:49:55.130 --> 00:49:57.989
about, these relationships with the herbs, the

00:49:57.989 --> 00:50:01.130
things from the garden, these experiences, those

00:50:01.130 --> 00:50:04.670
were very commonplace in the first century, first

00:50:04.670 --> 00:50:08.510
one, two, three centuries of Christians. These

00:50:08.510 --> 00:50:12.610
journeys, this discovery of self, the inner knowing,

00:50:12.710 --> 00:50:15.829
all of these things were very common to the mystics,

00:50:15.889 --> 00:50:18.789
the mystical Christians, the first century Christians.

00:50:20.210 --> 00:50:22.929
It's only in the later, I call them neo -Christians,

00:50:22.929 --> 00:50:25.349
where it's all scriptural based. It's like, well,

00:50:25.510 --> 00:50:29.309
this book, this, you know, basically there's

00:50:29.309 --> 00:50:33.789
two concepts. One is that the new Bible, as we

00:50:33.789 --> 00:50:35.989
know it, is not really the Jesus Bible. It's

00:50:35.989 --> 00:50:40.389
the Paul. It's Paul's interpretation of what

00:50:40.389 --> 00:50:42.630
happened to Jesus. Paul never even met Jesus.

00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.800
He never even met him. It's all hearsay. So now

00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.219
they're studying a Bible that basically is built

00:50:48.219 --> 00:50:50.780
on hearsay. But if you go back to the Essene

00:50:50.780 --> 00:50:54.780
Gospels and the Dead Sea Scrolls and you look

00:50:54.780 --> 00:50:57.320
at some of the ancient scriptures, they dovetail

00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.380
almost perfectly with what Mike's describing.

00:50:59.579 --> 00:51:01.280
Like you could put them next to each other and

00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.340
they'd read just almost parable. Almost perfectly

00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:09.579
parallel. I'm sorry, Mike, go ahead. I also believe

00:51:09.579 --> 00:51:14.550
that this is heaven. That I don't, I don't, I

00:51:14.550 --> 00:51:18.329
can't, I don't understand how we would come here

00:51:18.329 --> 00:51:22.469
and then you die and go to heaven. You go home.

00:51:23.429 --> 00:51:28.090
Like, so heaven is, this is heaven. The physicalness,

00:51:28.170 --> 00:51:31.750
the realm that he, so it's hard to explain exactly,

00:51:31.869 --> 00:51:34.809
exactly how I process this, but I feel like consciousness

00:51:34.809 --> 00:51:39.679
is God. Yes. Right? That's God. But you've never

00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.039
heard of it. Any of our podcasts. No, not too

00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:48.400
much. The soul is you. You're the specter of

00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.840
God. You're the soul. So like the way that, that

00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.699
I view it is if you're God and you're, you're

00:51:54.699 --> 00:51:56.940
just God, I don't really go what happened before

00:51:56.940 --> 00:51:59.260
or anything. That's the beginning. You're the

00:51:59.260 --> 00:52:02.619
source. You're the source. The source is, I feel

00:52:02.619 --> 00:52:06.190
like God is creating his home. And he is creating

00:52:06.190 --> 00:52:09.289
all these masterpiece realms for us to enjoy.

00:52:09.610 --> 00:52:13.030
Right. But in order, the many mansions are all

00:52:13.030 --> 00:52:16.809
over this place. But then I feel like when God

00:52:16.809 --> 00:52:19.809
created, oh, let's say Adam and Eve. This is

00:52:19.809 --> 00:52:22.949
a perfect one. Adam and Eve. When Adam and Eve

00:52:22.949 --> 00:52:25.789
came, I believe that they were not the first

00:52:25.789 --> 00:52:28.210
people on earth. I believe they were the first

00:52:28.210 --> 00:52:31.619
people that had souls. And because even when

00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:34.739
Adam and Eve, I'm not super familiar with all

00:52:34.739 --> 00:52:36.539
that, just kind of recently started digging into

00:52:36.539 --> 00:52:38.900
stuff. Enoch is my favorite, by the way. But

00:52:38.900 --> 00:52:43.280
yeah, Enoch comes in the Bible twice and they

00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:48.639
say, well, Enoch comes in the current, the Roman

00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:50.780
Bible. I'm just going to call it the Roman Bible.

00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:55.360
But Enoch was the central concept. Yeah, I believe

00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:01.539
that. I love Enoch. Adam and Eve had their kids.

00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:05.719
I think it was Cain and Abel. And then one killed

00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.059
the other one. I think Cain killed Abel. And

00:53:08.059 --> 00:53:09.539
then at a certain point in the Bible, I remember

00:53:09.539 --> 00:53:11.699
reading that it said that Cain was going to walk

00:53:11.699 --> 00:53:15.159
the earth as punishment. And that Cain was saying

00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:16.980
something to God along the lines of, I don't

00:53:16.980 --> 00:53:19.579
want all these people to kill me. And God told

00:53:19.579 --> 00:53:21.739
him, they're not going to kill you because I'm

00:53:21.739 --> 00:53:24.559
going to tell them not to. And you got to just

00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.760
roam. So that means there were other people on

00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.829
this planet. There was others besides Cain and

00:53:29.829 --> 00:53:32.630
Abel and Adam and Eve. Because I think that when

00:53:32.630 --> 00:53:36.250
God created this heaven, it's almost like an

00:53:36.250 --> 00:53:39.969
ant farm. He created this realm that's his precious

00:53:39.969 --> 00:53:43.750
realm. And he put plants, he put animals, he

00:53:43.750 --> 00:53:46.090
put all these things in it. And then he would

00:53:46.090 --> 00:53:51.489
put humanized beings in this realm with his conscious

00:53:51.489 --> 00:53:56.579
so that these conscious, no souls yet. The consciousness

00:53:56.579 --> 00:54:00.940
of the people that were here were basically the

00:54:00.940 --> 00:54:05.739
way God could view his creation. His eyes to

00:54:05.739 --> 00:54:09.119
his world to see what he's built. He sent receptors.

00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:12.320
Yes. And then I think when he sent Adam and Eve,

00:54:12.460 --> 00:54:15.739
it was the first time he sent a pair of people

00:54:15.739 --> 00:54:20.019
with a soul. And the soul is basically the concept

00:54:20.019 --> 00:54:24.780
of when you die, you will eventually become God.

00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:31.440
But you're still you. So there's still you inside

00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:36.780
of God. So now God has a next door neighbor.

00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.739
He actually has someone that has a different.

00:54:41.739 --> 00:54:45.239
you know perspective a different you know adam

00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.340
has different um experiences than eve you know

00:54:49.340 --> 00:54:52.059
everyone that has souls will have a different

00:54:52.059 --> 00:54:55.280
unique aspect to them if you're a comedian if

00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:58.039
you're all these different life forces are now

00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:02.050
going to when they die they will become god But

00:55:02.050 --> 00:55:04.909
then at the same time, you are still you. You

00:55:04.909 --> 00:55:07.809
remain individual. You will remain your uniqueness.

00:55:07.809 --> 00:55:09.690
I always had that about Nirvana. I didn't want,

00:55:09.730 --> 00:55:12.150
I mean, to be absorbed into the supreme spirit

00:55:12.150 --> 00:55:14.070
after death. I didn't like the idea. I mean,

00:55:14.090 --> 00:55:16.590
I'm okay with it, but I still want to be Sarah

00:55:16.590 --> 00:55:19.530
Thierry. I still want that and whoever I've been

00:55:19.530 --> 00:55:21.590
prior to that. And that's what I thought was

00:55:21.590 --> 00:55:24.289
a more reasonable way of continuing with our

00:55:24.289 --> 00:55:27.690
future. I believe that. And I believe that. He

00:55:27.690 --> 00:55:30.030
wouldn't give us individuality and then require

00:55:30.030 --> 00:55:31.449
that we're stripped from it. Exactly. That would

00:55:31.449 --> 00:55:33.010
be a real jerk thing to do. You are still going

00:55:33.010 --> 00:55:36.489
to be you. And then you will also be God and

00:55:36.489 --> 00:55:40.090
live in these realms. But I think that the idea

00:55:40.090 --> 00:55:44.530
of the hell was, even with Adam and Eve, Satan

00:55:44.530 --> 00:55:48.230
got sent here. He's here. He has no realm. He's

00:55:48.230 --> 00:55:51.989
got nothing. Now, did God create Satan? And is

00:55:51.989 --> 00:55:56.920
he fighting Satan for supremacy? In the biblical

00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:59.119
side, that's where I've... No, I'm not. But outside

00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:02.099
of that... Just in your opinion. It's hard. I've

00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:03.460
never really gone too far down... Because Tia

00:56:03.460 --> 00:56:05.360
Jolie and I have talked about light and dark,

00:56:05.539 --> 00:56:08.119
and dark exists because light exists. It's not

00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:13.679
battling for supremacy. The idea is we as men

00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:17.619
and women, we try to explain things around us

00:56:17.619 --> 00:56:20.539
based on things we understand. And so we have

00:56:20.539 --> 00:56:23.980
to give God the infinite God. an image that's

00:56:23.980 --> 00:56:26.480
a man, and Satan, an image that's something that's

00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.639
like a man but kind of nasty looking, right?

00:56:28.699 --> 00:56:31.760
We have to create things that make sense to us

00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:34.260
because we can't make sense of the things that

00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:37.619
we can't comprehend, right? So we make God fit

00:56:37.619 --> 00:56:40.599
into our world because that's our frame of reference.

00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:44.460
But the question is, did God create the devil

00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:48.710
or did the devil... And the answer is this. The

00:56:48.710 --> 00:56:51.869
answer has to be yes. The answer has to be yes.

00:56:51.869 --> 00:56:53.610
Because if you're going to say that there's an

00:56:53.610 --> 00:56:56.670
almighty, infinite creator that was all -knowing,

00:56:56.670 --> 00:57:00.530
all -powerful, that this almighty God didn't

00:57:00.530 --> 00:57:03.389
accidentally lose a third of the legion of angels

00:57:03.389 --> 00:57:07.130
that's led by this master demon, that doesn't

00:57:07.130 --> 00:57:08.949
accidentally happen if you're the almighty creator.

00:57:09.110 --> 00:57:13.210
You would have known. So you have to conclude

00:57:13.210 --> 00:57:16.389
that that happened with intention, with purpose.

00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:22.320
to serve you and to serve us. So to me, I'm not

00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.539
afraid of the devil. I'm like, and we'll talk

00:57:25.539 --> 00:57:27.679
about this next because I want to kind of move.

00:57:27.820 --> 00:57:30.599
We've talked about the spiritual journey and

00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:33.079
some of the outcomes, which is freaking awesome.

00:57:33.619 --> 00:57:35.960
But I want to kind of move forward and say, what

00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:37.679
does this mean to the average normal person?

00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:41.699
What do we look like in the future? But the idea

00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:44.199
of Adam and Eve's... being separated. They were

00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:46.739
one and they were separated, but then they come

00:57:46.739 --> 00:57:49.139
back together. And same thing with good and evil.

00:57:49.300 --> 00:57:51.960
Good and evil didn't exist. Then good and evil

00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.780
were created to create a polarity. for us to

00:57:54.780 --> 00:57:57.280
learn, and then their polarity is going to disappear

00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.420
again. So that'll be a unification. So everything

00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:02.719
is going to come back to a unification. So basically

00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:05.199
there's nothing to be scared of. No, it's a process.

00:58:05.219 --> 00:58:06.880
All is part of creation itself. It's like me

00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:09.880
looking at it. Which is a really novel idea because

00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:12.099
it allows you to feel secure in this realm. Oh,

00:58:12.099 --> 00:58:15.059
yeah, you feel comfortable. The thing with Christianity

00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:17.579
that I dislike the most is that we're told that

00:58:17.579 --> 00:58:19.699
we're a perversion of what God originally intended,

00:58:19.940 --> 00:58:22.750
and we're not. We're beautiful. We're beautiful,

00:58:22.889 --> 00:58:25.530
divine, sovereign souls. That's the part that

00:58:25.530 --> 00:58:28.130
I was really upset about in my book. And I love

00:58:28.130 --> 00:58:30.389
what you're saying, because like Mike was saying,

00:58:30.550 --> 00:58:32.909
you know, each of us is kind of a god within

00:58:32.909 --> 00:58:38.389
the empire of gods. We're our own gods. And you

00:58:38.389 --> 00:58:40.429
get to be Sarah. I get to be Tia Jolie. You know,

00:58:40.449 --> 00:58:43.349
Mike gets to be Mike. And I'm not surrendering

00:58:43.349 --> 00:58:46.960
my identity to you. But I'm also not making my

00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:49.360
identity control you or be controlled by you.

00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.920
I'm looking at you as another divine sovereign.

00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.840
I'm looking at Mike as a divine sovereign. He's

00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:57.699
on his journey. But I'm looking at a divine fractal

00:58:57.699 --> 00:59:00.480
that is another one of me. And you're another

00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:03.039
one of me. And we can look to each other with

00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:05.500
kindness and respect and understand that we're...

00:59:05.500 --> 00:59:07.139
And not thinking there's anything wrong with

00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:09.119
each other. There's nothing wrong with any of

00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:11.739
us. We're on our own journeys. And we have to

00:59:11.739 --> 00:59:13.539
honor his journey and help him on his journey.

00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:19.739
Even the way that... Even the people that are

00:59:19.739 --> 00:59:24.420
in bad spots, that are traumatized, when God

00:59:24.420 --> 00:59:30.059
banished Satan to heaven, to earth, to live,

00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.659
he's stuck here. We're not. So he's forever here.

00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:37.460
He's got no chance of going back home. So I truly

00:59:37.460 --> 00:59:41.340
believe that Satan's sole purpose is to traumatize

00:59:41.340 --> 00:59:45.360
people. And God is okay with this? I think that

00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:49.400
God, I think at first I feel like Satan started

00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:51.699
traumatizing people and God was saying, all right,

00:59:51.739 --> 00:59:54.179
the traumatized souls are not allowed to come

00:59:54.179 --> 00:59:58.039
to me, right? You just restart, right? You get

00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:00.699
to restart your life, maybe reincarnation concept

01:00:00.699 --> 01:00:03.440
at that point. But then I feel like when Jesus

01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:06.119
sacrificed himself for all of our sins, he created

01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.980
the purgatory realm where we're allowed to go

01:00:08.980 --> 01:00:12.610
through our own hell. and become cleansed. And

01:00:12.610 --> 01:00:16.610
is this the purgatory realm, Earth? No, I think

01:00:16.610 --> 01:00:18.150
Earth is... A lot of people would say that. I

01:00:18.150 --> 01:00:22.030
think Earth is the heavens. So... Go ahead. You're

01:00:22.030 --> 01:00:24.530
fine. Yeah, I think Earth is the heavens because

01:00:24.530 --> 01:00:28.769
if you take out all the buildings, politics,

01:00:28.909 --> 01:00:34.369
all the noise, you have rainbows, waterfalls.

01:00:34.650 --> 01:00:36.670
It's a beautiful planet. It's beautiful. And

01:00:36.670 --> 01:00:41.710
it's physical. And... you're able to i think

01:00:41.710 --> 01:00:44.969
we were supposed to come down here to enjoy god's

01:00:44.969 --> 01:00:48.489
creation his heaven so that we can build our

01:00:48.489 --> 01:00:52.050
uniqueness in his realm so that when we go back

01:00:52.050 --> 01:00:56.699
to become source we're still us. We still have

01:00:56.699 --> 01:00:59.659
our experiences based off of his home. But I

01:00:59.659 --> 01:01:02.079
feel like the devil is living here and he's just

01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:03.719
kind of tagging people. So do you feel that the

01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.159
devil shouldn't be here, that God doesn't want

01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:08.139
him here, that God is somehow putting up with

01:01:08.139 --> 01:01:12.159
his presence? No, I think the devil is secretly...

01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:15.059
But then that means God's not in control of what

01:01:15.059 --> 01:01:19.300
he created then. No, I think that the devil thinks

01:01:19.300 --> 01:01:22.230
he's winning. But when you go through the process

01:01:22.230 --> 01:01:25.690
is when the devil realized he really lost. Because

01:01:25.690 --> 01:01:32.070
when people are able to take their trauma head

01:01:32.070 --> 01:01:37.230
on and face it, you get put in a position to

01:01:37.230 --> 01:01:39.949
where there's no other feeling that you can feel.

01:01:40.090 --> 01:01:44.409
Then I am so fucking proud of myself because

01:01:44.409 --> 01:01:48.969
I did it. I got through it. I had friends that

01:01:48.969 --> 01:01:52.630
passed away early and traumatized. I was young.

01:01:53.690 --> 01:01:58.150
And I fought that fight on. I can openly talk

01:01:58.150 --> 01:02:03.030
about my friends. There's no more pain. It's

01:02:03.030 --> 01:02:05.969
almost that tension you get in your chest when

01:02:05.969 --> 01:02:10.349
you think of that trauma. It opens it. And I

01:02:10.349 --> 01:02:16.820
am so much happier. To have being able to go

01:02:16.820 --> 01:02:21.039
through that experience that I keep doing it.

01:02:21.500 --> 01:02:25.800
And it's, I look at the cleansing phase of like,

01:02:25.860 --> 01:02:27.639
I'm not saying that when I die, I'm going to

01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:30.699
heaven or going to, to a peaceful realm. I've

01:02:30.699 --> 01:02:32.639
got more baggage that I may have to clean out

01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:35.920
things that I don't even know. But that process

01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:40.579
that everyone calls hell, it's not, it's, it's

01:02:40.579 --> 01:02:45.159
just a cleansing. It's letting you truly, it

01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:47.840
makes you, it's almost like the devil thought

01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:50.000
he was winning because he's going to traumatize

01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.239
people so that they don't make it to these realms.

01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:53.900
But they used that trauma to be victorious, didn't

01:02:53.900 --> 01:02:56.019
they? But then when you, when God realized when

01:02:56.019 --> 01:02:58.920
these, when we go through our traumas and our

01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.539
life and we gain our experiences, once you cleanse

01:03:01.539 --> 01:03:05.460
yourself of that trauma, only then can you become

01:03:05.460 --> 01:03:08.260
your true form. So you couldn't be your true

01:03:08.260 --> 01:03:11.699
form without trauma? I don't think so. Not in

01:03:11.699 --> 01:03:15.179
the next. So I want to interject a question here.

01:03:16.059 --> 01:03:18.300
There's layers of questions because we're working

01:03:18.300 --> 01:03:21.960
on these archetypes that I think are very Western,

01:03:22.139 --> 01:03:26.360
very modern, very Roman. And it really diverges

01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:29.900
from the essence of what I will call mystical

01:03:29.900 --> 01:03:33.000
Christianity, the ancient Christianity. Because

01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:36.300
the idea of animal sacrifice, as an example,

01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:40.880
is not central to the... original doctrine of

01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:44.599
Christians that's not central to what the Essenes

01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:48.019
taught or what they believed. And what's happened

01:03:48.019 --> 01:03:52.119
is the Romans and there's some Jewish sects,

01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:54.840
the Sadducees and Pharisees, as an example, they

01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:58.800
believed in flesh sacrifice. So the idea, the

01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:02.420
archetype of having a flesh sacrifice is pervasive

01:04:02.420 --> 01:04:06.019
in today's religion called Christianity. So the

01:04:06.019 --> 01:04:07.960
idea, so you have to challenge the question,

01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.739
What is a sacrificial lamb? What's the purpose

01:04:11.739 --> 01:04:14.599
of it? If you have a divine father that's going

01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:18.380
to create a son and the sole purpose of the son

01:04:18.380 --> 01:04:22.320
is to be sacrificed, the concept of sacrificing

01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:25.699
anything, flesh and blood for any reason, is

01:04:25.699 --> 01:04:27.980
not an original Christian doctrine. So where

01:04:27.980 --> 01:04:30.920
did that come from and what does it mean? You

01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.000
can make that argument, but then take it a step

01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.599
further and say, okay, let's just pretend that

01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:38.989
that was a thing. where Jesus was sacrificed

01:04:38.989 --> 01:04:41.889
for our sins, so I can go and be a dirtbag, but

01:04:41.889 --> 01:04:43.250
as long as I believe in him, I'm going to be

01:04:43.250 --> 01:04:47.190
saved. But let's just pretend that that's the

01:04:47.190 --> 01:04:50.489
case. So now there's this sacrificial lamb called

01:04:50.489 --> 01:04:57.469
Jesus. To whom did the almighty creator, the

01:04:57.469 --> 01:05:01.929
infinite powerful one, to whom did the infinite

01:05:01.929 --> 01:05:05.309
creator feel like he needed to make this sacrifice?

01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:09.420
Yeah. To whom was that sacrifice being offered?

01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:13.079
If he's the almighty, perfect, infinite God,

01:05:13.300 --> 01:05:16.260
why would you even need to make a sacrifice to

01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:18.280
atone for sins? That doesn't even make sense

01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:21.019
to me, nor did it make sense to the first century

01:05:21.019 --> 01:05:25.599
Christians. The divergence in the gospel of Mary

01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:28.440
Magdalene, which again is censored. The Romans

01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.719
censored it. Why? Because Mary Magdalene was

01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:33.800
not a prostitute or hooker. She was a beautiful

01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:38.789
divine soul. Peter was jealous because Mary Magdalene

01:05:38.789 --> 01:05:41.829
was the favorite disciple. But Da Vinci wouldn't

01:05:41.829 --> 01:05:43.309
even put her... And her level of intuition was

01:05:43.309 --> 01:05:44.889
probably higher than... She was off the chart.

01:05:44.969 --> 01:05:47.809
She was like off the chart for second only to

01:05:47.809 --> 01:05:51.230
Judas, right? In terms of who she was as a soul.

01:05:51.670 --> 01:05:55.269
So now we have the censorship of Mary Magdalene's

01:05:55.269 --> 01:05:59.449
message. What was her message? Her key message

01:05:59.449 --> 01:06:03.460
was there is no sin. Sin does not exist. I don't

01:06:03.460 --> 01:06:06.059
believe in the concept of sin. Sin is a divergence

01:06:06.059 --> 01:06:08.300
from that which is good. Well, it's free will.

01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:10.179
You can choose it. It's a divergence from that

01:06:10.179 --> 01:06:12.739
which is good. It's not a judgment. I don't need

01:06:12.739 --> 01:06:14.780
to be atoned for my sins because sin doesn't

01:06:14.780 --> 01:06:18.239
exist. The only reason you create... So the Romans

01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:20.519
took away the idea of sin, or they introduced

01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.840
the idea of sin as a judgment. So you have to

01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.059
go through some process or some mechanism of

01:06:26.059 --> 01:06:30.719
blood sacrifice. So I'm just throwing that out

01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:33.099
there. Y 'all do your own research. Thank you

01:06:33.099 --> 01:06:36.179
for listening. Do your own research. I think

01:06:36.179 --> 01:06:38.079
we really need to challenge these archetypes,

01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.420
these concepts. I mean, do you believe in the

01:06:41.420 --> 01:06:44.400
concept of sin? Are we doing anything wrong on

01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:47.420
this planet? Even the worst murderer that's on

01:06:47.420 --> 01:06:49.840
this planet, the worst serial killer, he was

01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:52.559
given, in my opinion, free will to make a choice

01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:55.280
in the forces of light and dark. He will have

01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:57.860
to experience all the pain that he causes. And

01:06:57.860 --> 01:06:59.900
that's the point of reincarnation and to learn

01:06:59.900 --> 01:07:02.079
as well. And eventually he will be cleansed and

01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.360
become a pure soul, however far that is. down

01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:08.860
the line but i don't believe that god will sin

01:07:08.860 --> 01:07:12.059
but i believe that he permits it yes i think

01:07:12.059 --> 01:07:17.179
that i think sin is more of a humanized word

01:07:17.179 --> 01:07:20.380
for it where it's if you commit sin you did something

01:07:20.380 --> 01:07:23.099
illegal you know would you believe we're sinners

01:07:23.099 --> 01:07:26.500
yes and i believe so that's that's that's where

01:07:26.500 --> 01:07:29.159
you and i would disagree i don't believe in anyone

01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:31.659
i wouldn't say that it's i wouldn't say that

01:07:31.659 --> 01:07:35.119
i consider it a sin just solely because The way

01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.780
I look at it is you have the freedom to do whatever

01:07:38.780 --> 01:07:41.960
you want. If you want to go out and do some horrible

01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:45.380
things, you can. All that I think is going to

01:07:45.380 --> 01:07:48.599
happen to you as far as the sin concept is you're

01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:53.940
going to spend a lot longer in your hell than

01:07:53.940 --> 01:07:57.719
what people realize. Because I almost look at

01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:02.179
it as levels where you have a peaceful level.

01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:06.760
You're at peace. So you're at baseline. As life

01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:09.500
and pains and traumas and small little things

01:08:09.500 --> 01:08:13.699
start building up, you slowly decrease your spirituality

01:08:13.699 --> 01:08:18.500
level. So say if something had happened to me

01:08:18.500 --> 01:08:21.859
before ayahuasca, say I started off at negative

01:08:21.859 --> 01:08:27.220
five. I had five levels of trauma before my soul

01:08:27.220 --> 01:08:33.420
can first feel peace. Once you get into a higher

01:08:33.420 --> 01:08:39.199
consciousness realm, the fight of the pure shock

01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:44.000
and awe of beautifulness is equally as hard as

01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:48.039
a hell fight. So I've seen some mystical, biblical

01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:52.460
things that were equally as hard for me to process.

01:08:53.340 --> 01:08:57.279
As the light was hard to process and the dark

01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.739
was. So I believe that if you are a very sinful

01:08:59.739 --> 01:09:03.060
person, you may start off at negative 100 and

01:09:03.060 --> 01:09:08.020
you may not get to see your peace for an eternity

01:09:08.020 --> 01:09:12.060
because you're going to be fighting these traumas

01:09:12.060 --> 01:09:16.560
in a timeless place. So with ayahuasca, you're

01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:21.600
in for eight hours, but. When I come out of those

01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:24.079
journeys, I know I was not gone for three days.

01:09:24.260 --> 01:09:28.319
But you get your consciousness, in a sense. You

01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:31.819
get your perspective that you're back here. When

01:09:31.819 --> 01:09:35.760
you're in this journey, because in this reality,

01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:38.819
I'm the participant and I'm the watcher. So I

01:09:38.819 --> 01:09:40.819
have the watcher consciousness and I'm the participant.

01:09:41.180 --> 01:09:44.430
Do you still have watcher? when you're on this

01:09:44.430 --> 01:09:46.930
journey or are you really absorbed in identification

01:09:46.930 --> 01:09:48.689
with it where you're not watching? That's a really

01:09:48.689 --> 01:09:52.970
good question. That's a good question. Are you

01:09:52.970 --> 01:09:55.390
talking about self -awareness? Yes. Okay, so

01:09:55.390 --> 01:09:59.010
yes, when with ayahuasca, for me... You're aware,

01:09:59.170 --> 01:10:01.789
I'm Mike, I'm in this and I'm seeing this giant

01:10:01.789 --> 01:10:06.210
orb but I'm still here watching. To an extent,

01:10:06.390 --> 01:10:09.409
yes. I would say that when I get it, if I went

01:10:09.409 --> 01:10:13.529
to a certain realm that was very... you know

01:10:13.529 --> 01:10:17.250
high up there where it's very shocking all very

01:10:17.250 --> 01:10:19.689
in the light in the light like you're you're

01:10:19.689 --> 01:10:23.170
feeling the power of of everything that it's

01:10:23.170 --> 01:10:28.029
very hard to to snap into even asking a question

01:10:28.029 --> 01:10:30.609
right because you're just absorbing it absorbing

01:10:30.609 --> 01:10:34.229
absorbing it to the point that that eventually

01:10:34.229 --> 01:10:36.909
as you work with this medicine and the further

01:10:36.909 --> 01:10:38.789
you get with it then eventually you might say

01:10:38.789 --> 01:10:44.250
like Thank you. And then you're there. Your conscious

01:10:44.250 --> 01:10:48.189
is with you. But at the same time, I know what

01:10:48.189 --> 01:10:53.470
I look like on that ground. I know all the emotions.

01:10:53.489 --> 01:10:56.510
I'm crying out and the snot coming out of my

01:10:56.510 --> 01:10:58.869
nose. I know the dirt's in my mouth. I know I

01:10:58.869 --> 01:11:02.350
don't have to pee. Put it that way. And it comes

01:11:02.350 --> 01:11:05.770
in waves because you're digesting it. So the

01:11:05.770 --> 01:11:08.189
wave will come in and you'll kind of be like,

01:11:08.270 --> 01:11:11.199
oh, I'm just going to. rest my eyes and then

01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:14.720
boom you're in and you're going through this

01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.000
realm and you're doing things and you might get

01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:18.760
off your chair and go on the floor and stuff

01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:21.880
like that And at any moment, I can raise my hand

01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:24.420
and one of the volunteers would come by and see

01:11:24.420 --> 01:11:26.779
what I needed. Whether it's I need to go to the

01:11:26.779 --> 01:11:28.699
bathroom, they'll help me. Kind of just make

01:11:28.699 --> 01:11:29.939
sure you don't fall, you know? Walk you over

01:11:29.939 --> 01:11:31.380
there. Walk you over there, yeah. So you're two

01:11:31.380 --> 01:11:34.979
realities, aren't you? Simultaneously. Simultaneously.

01:11:35.060 --> 01:11:37.220
I've been in a position with one. It's almost

01:11:37.220 --> 01:11:39.460
like being in a gym. Like if you need a spotter,

01:11:39.460 --> 01:11:41.460
like you're lifting, lifting, lifting. And it's

01:11:41.460 --> 01:11:43.800
like, okay, I need a spotter on this one. They

01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:45.600
help you, but then they back away and then you're

01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:48.869
back into it. And it's almost like a. If it gets

01:11:48.869 --> 01:11:52.289
too intense, a lot of people say they just kind

01:11:52.289 --> 01:11:54.930
of open their eyes. And then you're back, you

01:11:54.930 --> 01:11:57.250
can see the campfire. Well, that's good. You

01:11:57.250 --> 01:12:00.149
can ground yourself. I've always wondered that.

01:12:00.289 --> 01:12:02.590
Or are you just transported and there's no way

01:12:02.590 --> 01:12:05.010
out until eight hours later? But you're saying

01:12:05.010 --> 01:12:09.670
that you're coming in and out. But when you're

01:12:09.670 --> 01:12:14.279
in, you're in. You're in. You're in. So you've

01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:17.460
seen beautiful light realms, which are difficult

01:12:17.460 --> 01:12:20.319
to take because it's so awe -inspiring. And then

01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:22.520
have you seen hellish realms, which are equally

01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:25.979
difficult to take because it's so grisly? I have

01:12:25.979 --> 01:12:31.800
seen the most magnificent, beautiful realms.

01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:37.119
Avatar plans. Yes, huge avatar plans. I've been

01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:43.189
to pyramids. I've been through... Inside of a

01:12:43.189 --> 01:12:45.489
mother's womb delivering a baby. Oh, my goodness.

01:12:45.630 --> 01:12:50.970
Oh, some good stuff. I got to watch my daughter

01:12:50.970 --> 01:12:57.189
was maybe five. And it's almost like you're in

01:12:57.189 --> 01:13:00.989
these pockets of world and it slowly moves through

01:13:00.989 --> 01:13:04.550
all kinds of places as the music's going. So

01:13:04.550 --> 01:13:08.550
you may be going through one thing and then I

01:13:08.550 --> 01:13:12.579
call them the minors. So like minor things. That

01:13:12.579 --> 01:13:16.939
just means so much. And one of them was, my daughter

01:13:16.939 --> 01:13:20.840
was five, and I went to this one place that she

01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:26.140
was standing on top of this avatar red flower,

01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:32.340
huge flower thing. And was it alive, this flower?

01:13:32.699 --> 01:13:34.479
Everything's alive. Everything has energy. It's

01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:37.159
alive. And I've been absorbed by these plants.

01:13:37.420 --> 01:13:44.050
I've been ripped apart. Are they caring? So me

01:13:44.050 --> 01:13:47.130
in particular, and everyone has different experiences,

01:13:47.489 --> 01:13:55.289
there are these avatar massive plants. My sister's

01:13:55.289 --> 01:13:56.550
going to laugh because she knows it. I go to

01:13:56.550 --> 01:13:58.829
Disney with my wife. Has she seen them too? She

01:13:58.829 --> 01:14:00.689
had a completely different thing. She didn't

01:14:00.689 --> 01:14:03.250
get as much visuals as what I get, which I think

01:14:03.250 --> 01:14:06.430
is an ego thing. Oh. Well, I mean, you're a graphic

01:14:06.430 --> 01:14:10.789
artist. There's this bias there. We'll jump into

01:14:10.789 --> 01:14:12.489
ego in a second. All right. Because I got a different

01:14:12.489 --> 01:14:17.590
idea with ego. But for me, these avatar plants

01:14:17.590 --> 01:14:21.470
have always started my journey. That's how I

01:14:21.470 --> 01:14:23.829
knew the medicine's kicking in. And are they

01:14:23.829 --> 01:14:29.649
welcoming? For the first six, seven, the first

01:14:29.649 --> 01:14:33.210
seven journeys I've had, they scared the shit

01:14:33.210 --> 01:14:37.640
out of me. They weren't, they weren't harming

01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:40.359
me. No. They were fucking with me. Ah. Right.

01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:42.680
So it was almost. It's a mischief. It's a mischievous.

01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.560
And it would just kind of play with, like, it

01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:48.939
was weird. I became the plants. I've had a scenario

01:14:48.939 --> 01:14:52.060
where the plant would, I was in the form of like

01:14:52.060 --> 01:14:56.140
this ooze and the plant would just pull me and

01:14:56.140 --> 01:15:00.279
I would feel stretched. But as you get stretched,

01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:03.579
everything about you breaks off, right? And then

01:15:03.579 --> 01:15:05.739
it would just let go and I would pop and come

01:15:05.739 --> 01:15:07.340
back, right? And you would just be like, what

01:15:07.340 --> 01:15:09.239
the fuck? You know, what the fuck was that? And

01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:11.560
then it would do it again. But it would go a

01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:14.159
little bit further, right? And then it would

01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:16.079
pop and it would hit you again. And was its motive

01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:18.640
to test you even if it knew the reasons and you

01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:21.100
didn't? Or it was just fucking with you? No,

01:15:21.100 --> 01:15:22.819
because it taught me something small. Oh, okay.

01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:25.600
So something, knowledge came from it. Yes, because

01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:28.859
every time it pulled me, Every single thing about

01:15:28.859 --> 01:15:31.579
me would rip off easily. But then once it pulled

01:15:31.579 --> 01:15:35.060
me to an extent, the last little droplet that

01:15:35.060 --> 01:15:39.859
was me was my wife, my daughter, and my son.

01:15:40.260 --> 01:15:42.659
It was stripping away the peripheral stuff and

01:15:42.659 --> 01:15:45.600
leaving the core essence. And it pulled me to

01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:48.840
my core. And then I remember it letting me go.

01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:53.289
And it said, Let's see what you really are. Let's

01:15:53.289 --> 01:15:56.770
see how far we can pull you. And it was sad,

01:15:56.949 --> 01:16:00.409
but beautifully sad. It pulled me to the point

01:16:00.409 --> 01:16:03.069
where it was my wife, my son. My son was maybe

01:16:03.069 --> 01:16:08.779
one. We don't have a huge bond. We do. He's obviously

01:16:08.779 --> 01:16:10.840
my son, but we've only been around for a year.

01:16:10.939 --> 01:16:12.159
You know, he's starting to get his personality

01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:17.180
now. And so then it just pulled and I was crying.

01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:20.840
And I remember just one, just boom, my wife left.

01:16:21.260 --> 01:16:23.979
Right. And it was just my son and my daughter.

01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:27.140
Then it just kept pulling me and pulling me.

01:16:27.220 --> 01:16:30.800
And then, boom, my son left and it was my daughter.

01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:34.880
She's my everything. Right. I already knew that.

01:16:35.710 --> 01:16:38.550
But to feel that is different scenario. And then

01:16:38.550 --> 01:16:40.750
it let go and you're back. And then it would

01:16:40.750 --> 01:16:43.470
just be this concept in your head of the medicine

01:16:43.470 --> 01:16:46.270
telling you, well, now, you know, let's keep

01:16:46.270 --> 01:16:48.729
going. You know, not nothing major, but just

01:16:48.729 --> 01:16:52.869
at least, you know, you know, that my family

01:16:52.869 --> 01:16:56.229
is my core unit. So, Mike, you're talking a lot

01:16:56.229 --> 01:17:00.260
of reference from you and your progeny. Have

01:17:00.260 --> 01:17:02.680
you had experiences where you actually were connected

01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:06.600
to your ancestors? Oh, yes. Good question. My

01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:09.600
grandmother is there every journey. And when

01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:14.020
you recognize her, does she look like the grandmother

01:17:14.020 --> 01:17:17.039
you knew? Or do you see her at her youthful state?

01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:20.760
Multiple different. How about her grandmothers

01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:24.920
or her grandmothers? Have you had any indication

01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:27.659
that you're in connection with people from generations?

01:17:28.909 --> 01:17:31.449
millennia prior to you or is it just the people

01:17:31.449 --> 01:17:35.329
that you knew i believe that i believe that when

01:17:35.329 --> 01:17:41.210
we die and we we become at peace and we go back

01:17:41.210 --> 01:17:45.229
home you will have your own core people that

01:17:45.229 --> 01:17:46.909
you would want to look over i agree with that

01:17:46.909 --> 01:17:50.149
actually right yeah so and i believe that you

01:17:50.149 --> 01:17:53.180
can call upon people And then they can hear your

01:17:53.180 --> 01:17:55.699
call and they get the choice, you know. Actually,

01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:58.960
I do that all the time. Yes. I mean, in my lucidity,

01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:01.140
I don't do, I've never done drugs, never done

01:18:01.140 --> 01:18:02.859
marijuana. I've never even smoked a cigarette.

01:18:02.899 --> 01:18:05.500
All right. So I'm coming to a place of strictly

01:18:05.500 --> 01:18:10.100
self, pure self. But those states that you speak

01:18:10.100 --> 01:18:14.039
of are what I call lucid states. And you can

01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:17.930
get into this. Some pretty, pretty aggressive,

01:18:18.010 --> 01:18:20.970
colorful places with these states of lucidity.

01:18:21.050 --> 01:18:24.270
Have you been off planet to any other worlds

01:18:24.270 --> 01:18:27.189
or other species? Have you seen the big praying

01:18:27.189 --> 01:18:31.289
mantis that a lot of people see? Snake. Anaconda.

01:18:31.409 --> 01:18:35.989
Right. Very... Nothing negative. But nothing

01:18:35.989 --> 01:18:41.829
alien that we would consider alien. So I have

01:18:41.829 --> 01:18:44.699
seen... I would say... So I've done... I've done

01:18:44.699 --> 01:18:47.819
my 10 ayahuasca ceremonies and then I've also

01:18:47.819 --> 01:18:51.680
done some bufo ceremonies, which is in the same

01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:56.399
chemical compound. It's still DMT, but it's from

01:18:56.399 --> 01:19:00.439
a specific toad. Okay. And they call it the God

01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:05.659
molecule. And then they also have free base DMT,

01:19:05.739 --> 01:19:11.779
which is a smokable version of DMT. And I believe

01:19:11.779 --> 01:19:15.060
that. They all have their own different healings

01:19:15.060 --> 01:19:18.699
and needs. I would say that I didn't get too

01:19:18.699 --> 01:19:22.560
much of... Ayahuasca is the teacher. She's the

01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:26.500
teaching medicine. And teaching you about yourself.

01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:29.239
It teaches you how to free your soul. How to

01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:32.539
free. How to freely navigate with a peaceful

01:19:32.539 --> 01:19:36.079
soul. I've never... Since Ayahuasca, I've always

01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:39.689
said that I have... two different versions. There's

01:19:39.689 --> 01:19:43.029
multiple versions of me in this world. I'm a

01:19:43.029 --> 01:19:46.170
father, a husband, you know, a brother, I'm a

01:19:46.170 --> 01:19:48.789
business owner. So every time I'm, I'm switching

01:19:48.789 --> 01:19:52.750
my hat. Yeah. You switch hats all the time. But

01:19:52.750 --> 01:19:55.390
then through ayahuasca, I've been able to really

01:19:55.390 --> 01:19:59.050
figure out my spiritual hat, which that's why

01:19:59.050 --> 01:20:01.229
I was telling you that this, this is almost a

01:20:01.229 --> 01:20:04.250
form of therapy for me because you don't meet

01:20:04.250 --> 01:20:07.630
a lot of people that won't have even really done

01:20:07.630 --> 01:20:10.409
this or to be that interested and yes it's too

01:20:10.409 --> 01:20:13.449
strange for them and then even the communities

01:20:13.449 --> 01:20:18.090
that i'm in when we all go to do ceremony everyone's

01:20:18.090 --> 01:20:20.989
on their own journey so no one really wants to

01:20:20.989 --> 01:20:23.189
hear your journey because they're doing their

01:20:23.189 --> 01:20:26.569
own journey so you're just journeying with these

01:20:26.569 --> 01:20:28.689
people they're all my brothers my sisters and

01:20:28.689 --> 01:20:32.270
when that church in orlando and it's so powerful

01:20:32.270 --> 01:20:36.680
to me because that church in orlando I have never

01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:41.340
volunteered for much. My time is my money. It's

01:20:41.340 --> 01:20:44.960
either my time is my house, my family. I've never

01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:48.039
gotten the need to volunteer at a church. But

01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:50.859
when I drank ayahuasca and I got through my first

01:20:50.859 --> 01:20:54.079
three ceremonies and I figured out I can volunteer

01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:58.819
and be there, I made sure I was there. And it

01:20:58.819 --> 01:21:01.539
was to the point where I volunteered overnight.

01:21:02.569 --> 01:21:06.270
So it was Friday around 7 o 'clock. I would tell

01:21:06.270 --> 01:21:09.189
my daughter, hey, daddy's got to go help some

01:21:09.189 --> 01:21:12.510
people. I'll see you. I'd tell my wife, hey,

01:21:12.529 --> 01:21:14.550
I'll be back. And I would shoot over to the church.

01:21:14.630 --> 01:21:16.829
I would get there at 8 o 'clock. I would pound

01:21:16.829 --> 01:21:21.010
coffee. And I would stay up until 5 a .m. And

01:21:21.010 --> 01:21:22.989
then I would get in my car around 7 and drive

01:21:22.989 --> 01:21:26.270
home and take my family to church. It was brutal.

01:21:26.810 --> 01:21:30.909
I was exhausted. And I did that for a year. What

01:21:30.909 --> 01:21:33.529
compelled you to do that? Because it's pure healing.

01:21:33.869 --> 01:21:37.310
You can feel it. It's almost like... You're in

01:21:37.310 --> 01:21:39.869
an atmosphere of healing. People are truly getting

01:21:39.869 --> 01:21:43.250
healed. And when you can see it and it's happened

01:21:43.250 --> 01:21:47.510
to you... So you're riding off this freedom that

01:21:47.510 --> 01:21:50.189
they're experiencing, the aura around it is just

01:21:50.189 --> 01:21:54.229
releasing. You can feel the energy of this medicine

01:21:54.229 --> 01:21:56.750
when you're there. But almost just it's more

01:21:56.750 --> 01:22:02.340
of this soul... Just the concept of I'm helping.

01:22:02.859 --> 01:22:04.640
I'm truly helping. Sarah, do you remember some

01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:06.479
time ago I talked to you about that experience

01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:09.220
Robin and I had with the homeless people and

01:22:09.220 --> 01:22:13.000
the lady was eating from the trash can. That

01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:16.659
was so emotionally moving for me that I doubled,

01:22:16.939 --> 01:22:21.439
I redoubled my commitment to helping homeless

01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:24.600
people and feeding people that didn't have because

01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:27.890
I was so emotionally moved. by that experience

01:22:27.890 --> 01:22:30.689
that I, I wanted, I actually wanted to quit my

01:22:30.689 --> 01:22:33.350
job and do everything to help these people to,

01:22:33.510 --> 01:22:36.770
to be present, to help those people because there

01:22:36.770 --> 01:22:41.510
was so much value to me as a soul helping them

01:22:41.510 --> 01:22:44.050
get to their next level. So, I mean, I get what

01:22:44.050 --> 01:22:47.010
you're saying totally. So if, if I didn't have

01:22:47.010 --> 01:22:52.649
my family and if I didn't have my business, I

01:22:52.649 --> 01:22:57.500
would be, I would be solely trying to, mold my

01:22:57.500 --> 01:23:04.020
life around this medicine, but I have my life.

01:23:04.100 --> 01:23:10.079
I have my life. First of all, this has been amazing.

01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:12.500
I'm so grateful, Mike, for you to come out and

01:23:12.500 --> 01:23:14.420
share this. Hopefully, it's been therapeutic

01:23:14.420 --> 01:23:18.319
to you. We talked about spirituality. We touched

01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:20.500
upon religion. We talked about the experiences.

01:23:21.140 --> 01:23:26.470
Looking forward, as a clinician, I'm very interested

01:23:26.470 --> 01:23:32.369
in having personally conquered PTSD, but also

01:23:32.369 --> 01:23:34.810
being exposed to other people that are first

01:23:34.810 --> 01:23:38.609
responders, maybe people that have been subjected

01:23:38.609 --> 01:23:48.729
to satanic racial abuse, childhood trauma, any

01:23:48.729 --> 01:23:51.350
number of traumas, even veterans like myself

01:23:51.350 --> 01:23:55.510
that have nightmares and things. We hear these

01:23:55.510 --> 01:23:57.630
anecdotes, and now it's coming more and more

01:23:57.630 --> 01:24:00.609
mainstream about people being able to use some

01:24:00.609 --> 01:24:06.369
of these psychotropics or these compounds that

01:24:06.369 --> 01:24:10.470
have neurological implications, not only to have

01:24:10.470 --> 01:24:14.590
an experience that's now, or this weekend, or

01:24:14.590 --> 01:24:18.609
these few days, but we're seeing evidence that

01:24:18.609 --> 01:24:22.630
it actually rewires. Or resets. Maybe not rewires,

01:24:22.689 --> 01:24:25.529
but certainly resets the brain. So my question

01:24:25.529 --> 01:24:29.569
is twofold. One is... That's interesting. Resetting.

01:24:29.569 --> 01:24:32.649
It's a reset. Exactly what it is. So that's at

01:24:32.649 --> 01:24:35.029
least the research I've read. And it's not just

01:24:35.029 --> 01:24:39.789
ayahuasca. It's any of the... It's, you know,

01:24:39.810 --> 01:24:43.710
bufo. It's any of the psychedelics. Like, I'm

01:24:43.710 --> 01:24:46.090
really big on ibogaine. We talked about ibogaine.

01:24:47.010 --> 01:24:49.670
Texas is putting legislation through for ibogaine.

01:24:50.329 --> 01:24:52.449
I want to lead the charge for Ibogaine here in

01:24:52.449 --> 01:24:54.989
Florida. But all of these basically have a similar

01:24:54.989 --> 01:24:58.850
idea that, you know, we've built these neurological

01:24:58.850 --> 01:25:02.029
pathways that are based on certain belief systems.

01:25:02.329 --> 01:25:05.470
And if those belief systems, if you keep thinking

01:25:05.470 --> 01:25:07.430
in those belief systems, you're burning those

01:25:07.430 --> 01:25:10.909
circuits in. Strongholds the Bible would call

01:25:10.909 --> 01:25:13.489
those. Yeah, it's a mental stronghold. keeps

01:25:13.489 --> 01:25:16.109
you tracking in this circuitry. Horrible, yeah.

01:25:16.289 --> 01:25:17.869
But, you know, what if you could just say, okay,

01:25:17.949 --> 01:25:19.430
yeah, this computer, I'm just going to reboot

01:25:19.430 --> 01:25:22.369
this computer and let it go to its BIOS, its

01:25:22.369 --> 01:25:26.350
basic BIOS, and say, okay, look, this thing was

01:25:26.350 --> 01:25:29.090
caught in a loop. Let's shut it down. Let's start

01:25:29.090 --> 01:25:33.720
it back up. And let's introduce... BIOS 1 .0

01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:37.399
or 1 .1 or 1 .2. It's like a system defrag. Yeah,

01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:40.399
well, you do a defrag until it's to the point

01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:42.239
where I can't defrag it. Now you need to reset

01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:45.680
it. So my question is, do you believe that, you

01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:47.420
answered it a little bit already, but do you

01:25:47.420 --> 01:25:49.659
believe that there's some degree of system reset?

01:25:50.020 --> 01:25:53.779
And the second thing is, based on your different

01:25:53.779 --> 01:25:57.140
communities and what you know so far about these

01:25:57.140 --> 01:26:00.460
journeys or these experiences or the benefits

01:26:00.460 --> 01:26:03.800
of these experiences, Looking forward, what do

01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:08.699
you hope will happen in the world around us as

01:26:08.699 --> 01:26:14.279
these discussions of nootropics and these different

01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:17.939
plant -based therapies become more and more mainstream?

01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:23.600
What do you hope will happen? So as far as like

01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:27.380
the, you're talking about like the deep. So yeah,

01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:29.500
two things, reset and then looking forward. Okay,

01:26:29.500 --> 01:26:30.800
so the reset, that's what we're going. The reset,

01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:34.880
100%. 100%. My sister was on multiple different

01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:37.680
medications for a decade. Medications for neurological

01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:39.920
issues like depression? Yeah, depression, stuff

01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:44.619
like that. And she's three years free. And she

01:26:44.619 --> 01:26:47.220
also had motion sickness. And now she takes roller

01:26:47.220 --> 01:26:50.260
coasters at Disney all day. So all of my pilot

01:26:50.260 --> 01:26:52.960
friends, yeah. My future pilot friends. It reset

01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:55.739
her. Yeah. Same way that I feel like it reset

01:26:55.739 --> 01:27:00.750
me because... So my one of my closest friends

01:27:00.750 --> 01:27:03.289
passed away 10 days before my 18th birthday.

01:27:03.390 --> 01:27:06.210
Right. So and I was about to turn I was about

01:27:06.210 --> 01:27:09.989
to turn 18. He was probably 21 ish at the time.

01:27:10.750 --> 01:27:13.569
And, you know, big plans. We're going to go to

01:27:13.569 --> 01:27:15.369
Miami. We're going to have fun. This and that.

01:27:15.449 --> 01:27:19.869
And then all of a sudden, boom. Right. So for

01:27:19.869 --> 01:27:22.949
20 something years, you know, whatever the span

01:27:22.949 --> 01:27:27.069
from 18 to about 35. That span of my life was

01:27:27.069 --> 01:27:30.710
every time my birthday came, the devil just kind

01:27:30.710 --> 01:27:33.989
of just tightened himself on me. And so when

01:27:33.989 --> 01:27:36.449
I went through my experience of that trauma,

01:27:36.670 --> 01:27:42.289
it rewired me to a point that I've, I just recently

01:27:42.289 --> 01:27:45.210
asked my mom and my sister, what was I like?

01:27:45.329 --> 01:27:50.109
I can't physically, I can't fully remember the

01:27:50.109 --> 01:27:54.109
pain. Of what I, why was I even so damn mad?

01:27:54.189 --> 01:27:56.729
Like what doubt you're almost. Yeah. Like, like

01:27:56.729 --> 01:28:00.489
I can't, I can't reconnect to that anymore. Interesting.

01:28:00.550 --> 01:28:04.250
And so it kind of opened up my, my pathways to

01:28:04.250 --> 01:28:08.050
let it all re rewire to where, yes, it happened,

01:28:08.090 --> 01:28:11.729
but there's no more emotional pain to that. Yeah.

01:28:11.770 --> 01:28:14.569
And so as we look forward, you're, it seems you'd

01:28:14.569 --> 01:28:18.680
be pretty hopeful because I know from. From my

01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:20.520
experience, from what I understand from what's

01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:24.359
going on in Texas with the Ibogaine, we have

01:28:24.359 --> 01:28:26.800
to find this middle ground. So yes, there's the

01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:29.760
religious ceremonial stuff that's probably all

01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:33.460
the way on this edge. And then there's the religious

01:28:33.460 --> 01:28:35.359
zealots that are going to say, oh, that's the

01:28:35.359 --> 01:28:39.199
devil in the... No, no, it's not. There's some

01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:41.079
therapy. We can agree that there's some therapeutic

01:28:41.079 --> 01:28:44.319
benefits. The question is, how do we get there

01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:48.039
in a place like Texas is talking about? micro

01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:54.899
-dosing ibogaine in a clinical setting. Yes,

01:28:55.340 --> 01:28:58.720
it's not the same as having the full -blown religious

01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:00.880
experience and the falling down on the ground

01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:03.340
and vomiting your guts and all that. Maybe it

01:29:03.340 --> 01:29:07.079
is, but it's more of a stepping stone, I think,

01:29:07.100 --> 01:29:10.060
for the general public to introduce this into

01:29:10.060 --> 01:29:13.600
the public psyche. to kind of bias the archetype

01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.899
away from... Prepare us. To prepare. It's like

01:29:15.899 --> 01:29:19.560
a stepping stone. So my question would be, you

01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:21.819
know, looking forward, how do you see our path

01:29:21.819 --> 01:29:25.020
forward? Have you come across other people doing

01:29:25.020 --> 01:29:26.840
the journey, as you say, there was between 30

01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:29.420
and 70 each time you did it, that walked away

01:29:29.420 --> 01:29:31.260
and had a really shitty experience that would

01:29:31.260 --> 01:29:33.279
never want to do it again and would never recommend

01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:36.319
it? Or has everyone kind of got to where you

01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:39.380
are? I think everybody... Okay, so when I volunteered,

01:29:39.579 --> 01:29:42.760
I've seen... personally around close to probably

01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:45.619
500 people you know three to five hundred people

01:29:45.619 --> 01:29:48.739
through the times i volunteered i have not met

01:29:48.739 --> 01:29:51.800
one person that has left there unsatisfied and

01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:54.039
if you were to look up the company on google

01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:57.199
and you look at their reviews it's almost about

01:29:57.199 --> 01:30:01.699
5600 five -star reviews holy shit and a lot of

01:30:01.699 --> 01:30:04.859
five -star reviews so i have met there was this

01:30:04.859 --> 01:30:08.000
one lady i was drinking with her I was actually

01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:09.979
drinking with this lady. She was sitting next

01:30:09.979 --> 01:30:12.079
to me. She was real nervous. And, you know, of

01:30:12.079 --> 01:30:14.840
course, you know, and it's your first time for

01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:18.119
her. It was her first time. It was maybe my fourth

01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:22.840
time. And I remember telling her like, hey, whatever

01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:26.500
happens tonight, because I'm the type of person

01:30:26.500 --> 01:30:29.600
where if something intrigues me, I'm going to

01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:32.399
do it twice. One, because you don't know what

01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:35.659
you're getting into. And two. Because now you

01:30:35.659 --> 01:30:38.819
can feel it out whether this is your thing. And

01:30:38.819 --> 01:30:42.060
so I kept telling her, do tomorrow's ceremony.

01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:45.060
Whatever happens, do tomorrow's ceremony. Saw

01:30:45.060 --> 01:30:47.239
her the next morning. And yes, she was like that.

01:30:47.579 --> 01:30:49.880
That was the hardest thing I've ever done in

01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:52.159
my life. That was the wildest shit I've ever

01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:54.579
had. I don't like this, this and that and that.

01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:56.020
And I was like, hey, I was like, I fully agree.

01:30:56.300 --> 01:30:58.439
Because a lot of people will go through that

01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:02.170
and then they'll leave. But then they don't understand

01:31:02.170 --> 01:31:04.529
truly what happened to them until about a month

01:31:04.529 --> 01:31:07.869
later. When all of a sudden, they don't have

01:31:07.869 --> 01:31:09.710
an urge to drink alcohol. Their nervous system

01:31:09.710 --> 01:31:12.810
has had time to adjust to it. And then they understand

01:31:12.810 --> 01:31:16.949
what it really... Like for me, the most saddest,

01:31:16.989 --> 01:31:21.390
hardest, traumatic experiences that I've went

01:31:21.390 --> 01:31:24.960
through, they're the best. They are the... best

01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:28.399
high in hindsight in hindsight yes yeah but when

01:31:28.399 --> 01:31:31.779
i do go through and i hit a major traumatic spot

01:31:31.779 --> 01:31:35.460
oh it changes your life it frees you from that

01:31:35.460 --> 01:31:39.560
and so the the girl was rocked she was she was

01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:41.300
she's like i don't think i even want to do this

01:31:41.300 --> 01:31:44.260
and i kept telling her i was like just just do

01:31:44.260 --> 01:31:46.800
tomorrow's you know just try tomorrow's she did

01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:50.420
the next night and then what happens is the medicine's

01:31:50.420 --> 01:31:54.869
alive so it knows How much you're going to drink

01:31:54.869 --> 01:31:56.869
and how often you're going to drink. And I've

01:31:56.869 --> 01:31:59.949
studied this. I've seen podcasts with people

01:31:59.949 --> 01:32:02.789
that have been drinking for 25 years. So they're

01:32:02.789 --> 01:32:05.090
further than me. And that's what they were saying.

01:32:05.310 --> 01:32:08.029
And it makes so much sense because my sister

01:32:08.029 --> 01:32:12.090
drank one cup that weekend and she got everything

01:32:12.090 --> 01:32:15.229
she needed. And she came out that ceremony saying,

01:32:15.369 --> 01:32:18.470
I don't need to drink it again. I got it. I'm

01:32:18.470 --> 01:32:22.609
completely content. She drank one cup and. And

01:32:22.609 --> 01:32:28.649
me, my first cup was brutal, was really brutal.

01:32:29.270 --> 01:32:32.090
And I always told myself, I'm going to do it

01:32:32.090 --> 01:32:33.789
twice. I'm always going to do it twice. So the

01:32:33.789 --> 01:32:37.029
medicine knew I will be back. And I went the

01:32:37.029 --> 01:32:39.189
next night. So did the girl that was sitting

01:32:39.189 --> 01:32:43.010
next to me. And after her second ceremony, she

01:32:43.010 --> 01:32:46.729
came back to me smiling, happy. It was the most

01:32:46.729 --> 01:32:50.859
beautiful thing she'd ever seen. You were right

01:32:50.859 --> 01:32:53.479
on the nail about that then. Because the medicine

01:32:53.479 --> 01:32:57.680
knew that she was going to drink the second cup

01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:00.560
before I even told her. So I didn't really need

01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:04.039
to do my part. But the medicine knew she will.

01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:08.140
And if she didn't do the second cup, I believe

01:33:08.140 --> 01:33:09.939
that her first ceremony would have been completely

01:33:09.939 --> 01:33:12.600
different. Because I've gone to ceremonies where

01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:15.350
it's three nights. And I will have a traumatic

01:33:15.350 --> 01:33:18.670
experience. And then the following two ceremonies

01:33:18.670 --> 01:33:21.689
will be blissful. To make sense of the trauma.

01:33:21.810 --> 01:33:23.829
Not even to make sense. It's almost like your

01:33:23.829 --> 01:33:28.390
body has surrendered to a point that you no longer

01:33:28.390 --> 01:33:30.590
have a fight in you. It's almost like a celebration

01:33:30.590 --> 01:33:34.020
type thing. And it lets you explore. You're given

01:33:34.020 --> 01:33:36.819
that piece to explore. Even though I had more

01:33:36.819 --> 01:33:39.159
baggage, it was like, let's work through this

01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:42.479
one and then let's explore because it knew I

01:33:42.479 --> 01:33:44.779
was going to be back next year to tackle my next

01:33:44.779 --> 01:33:47.640
one. Right. And so the next year I went, I had

01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:51.420
another big one and then I got to explore. So

01:33:51.420 --> 01:33:53.460
the first one is a shitty one that gives you

01:33:53.460 --> 01:33:55.979
a horrible experience, but that very experience

01:33:55.979 --> 01:33:57.760
is what's going to allow you a better experience.

01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:00.539
It frees your soul. To let you keep going. In

01:34:00.539 --> 01:34:02.840
my experience. How many people declined the second

01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:06.579
one after having this awful first trip? Not a

01:34:06.579 --> 01:34:09.220
lot because I don't think that, because I truly

01:34:09.220 --> 01:34:12.659
believe that it's a living organism. So I think

01:34:12.659 --> 01:34:16.619
it knows it before. So like my sister, her experience

01:34:16.619 --> 01:34:20.020
was, and she'll come on and talk to you guys,

01:34:20.060 --> 01:34:24.359
but her experience was a hard experience, but

01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:27.779
it wasn't hard enough. She got everything she

01:34:27.779 --> 01:34:31.380
needed. And she understood that. So she sat with

01:34:31.380 --> 01:34:33.619
the medicine, drank it, and the medicine knew

01:34:33.619 --> 01:34:38.239
she's not going to be back. We got eight hours.

01:34:38.439 --> 01:34:40.399
Let's do this because we're going to get through

01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:43.960
your depression, this one and that one, and we're

01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:46.100
going to work through a couple scenarios, and

01:34:46.100 --> 01:34:47.420
I'm going to leave you in the most beautiful

01:34:47.420 --> 01:34:50.140
spot. It always leaves you in a beautiful spot.

01:34:50.970 --> 01:34:54.449
Your journey won't end bad. Okay. Yes, I fought

01:34:54.449 --> 01:34:56.970
my dad. So by the time you come back eight hours

01:34:56.970 --> 01:34:59.970
later, you're in some type of relief and happiness.

01:35:00.670 --> 01:35:03.529
Something magical will happen at the end that

01:35:03.529 --> 01:35:06.510
will fill you with love. Okay, that's good. Yes.

01:35:06.510 --> 01:35:08.430
That's good to know. Yes, it's the moment of

01:35:08.430 --> 01:35:12.050
surrender. Once you truly surrender to what's

01:35:12.050 --> 01:35:15.689
happening, it blesses you. And it will make sure

01:35:15.689 --> 01:35:20.069
you surrender in time. And it's beautifully panned

01:35:20.069 --> 01:35:23.069
out. where I've been through battles for six

01:35:23.069 --> 01:35:26.229
hours and on that seventh hour, it's just boom,

01:35:26.310 --> 01:35:28.250
a rose. That's such a relief to know, actually.

01:35:28.250 --> 01:35:30.229
No. Because you wouldn't want to end it on a

01:35:30.229 --> 01:35:32.210
crappy note, would you? That'd be terrifying.

01:35:32.250 --> 01:35:34.470
And wait another year. And wait another year,

01:35:34.470 --> 01:35:36.909
exactly. So let me ask you, so looking forward,

01:35:36.970 --> 01:35:39.449
if it was a blank slate and the world were going

01:35:39.449 --> 01:35:43.229
to unfold and you could bestow this blessing

01:35:43.229 --> 01:35:46.359
upon... the future world, what would you like

01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:48.680
to see happen in terms of its deployment to the

01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:50.760
mainstream? I think there should be camps all

01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:53.279
around the U .S. I think that it should be open

01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:55.819
to the general. There is no difference from.

01:35:58.220 --> 01:36:00.680
It's like the my body, my choice kind of concept.

01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:04.979
I should be as a 38 year old. I should be able

01:36:04.979 --> 01:36:07.720
to do what I want to do. You should be able to

01:36:07.720 --> 01:36:09.579
experiment with your own consciousness. What

01:36:09.579 --> 01:36:12.000
would be the youngest? What would be the youngest

01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:14.180
you would suggest? Oh, see, that's where it gets

01:36:14.180 --> 01:36:17.100
into like the government. I'm saying forget the

01:36:17.100 --> 01:36:20.579
government. You're a father of two children.

01:36:20.779 --> 01:36:23.239
What would be the, like if there were no outside

01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:27.840
interferences? Nothing. So over by the Amazon,

01:36:27.939 --> 01:36:30.859
I've heard stuff where kids drink it at all ages,

01:36:30.899 --> 01:36:34.100
where they have young kids that will go drink

01:36:34.100 --> 01:36:37.199
this. And what are your thoughts about that?

01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:39.699
If the medicine's alive, it's going to know how

01:36:39.699 --> 01:36:40.720
to handle that child. It's going to know how

01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:42.619
to handle that child. Because that medicine sounds

01:36:42.619 --> 01:36:45.399
like it's in charge. Well, I mean, that presupposes

01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:48.279
it's alive and that it's got its own consciousness,

01:36:48.420 --> 01:36:51.060
which we can make an argument that all of these

01:36:51.060 --> 01:36:54.539
plants have some level of consciousness. See,

01:36:54.579 --> 01:36:57.899
I believe air is consciousness. Like, what is

01:36:57.899 --> 01:37:00.600
air? It's ether. It's ether. It's consciousness.

01:37:00.619 --> 01:37:04.130
When you deprive yourself from air... Your heart

01:37:04.130 --> 01:37:06.170
still continues. Your brain still functions.

01:37:06.210 --> 01:37:08.869
The only thing you lose is your consciousness.

01:37:09.210 --> 01:37:11.510
The ether, interestingly, when you look at the

01:37:11.510 --> 01:37:14.729
ancient, not even ancient, like 150 years ago,

01:37:14.770 --> 01:37:17.390
the table of the elements contained an element

01:37:17.390 --> 01:37:20.430
called ether, and it's not on the modern table

01:37:20.430 --> 01:37:23.189
of elements. So they literally pulled ether out

01:37:23.189 --> 01:37:26.729
of the psyche of the world. So do you think...

01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:30.880
If this became mainstream, this could lead us

01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:33.960
towards creating heaven on earth. I mean, could

01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:37.720
this be so transformative that all the bullshit

01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:40.479
a lot of people feel could be left behind at

01:37:40.479 --> 01:37:43.479
a new age? I mean, could this be that big of

01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:46.920
a deal? I think it would be a revolution as far

01:37:46.920 --> 01:37:51.579
as how this medicine can help you. And I think

01:37:51.579 --> 01:37:54.500
that it could be... I think that people should

01:37:54.500 --> 01:37:57.800
have the right to do it any way they want. Whether

01:37:57.800 --> 01:38:00.119
it's full -blown like what I do, give me a full

01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:03.420
cup, I'm ready to ride, or if it's micro -dosing.

01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:06.100
I'd micro -dose with it first, I think. Because

01:38:06.100 --> 01:38:08.600
even when you first go to drink, they'll give

01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.100
you a small little bit. And how quickly are you

01:38:11.100 --> 01:38:14.500
going to feel something different? With the small

01:38:14.500 --> 01:38:18.840
starter, you may not enter fully. The gateway.

01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:22.840
It's almost to where micro -doses may not. be

01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:25.960
able to open that door, right? It's almost like

01:38:25.960 --> 01:38:31.340
you need to open it. And when they give you that

01:38:31.340 --> 01:38:33.800
starter cup, which I've only had my first ceremonies,

01:38:33.819 --> 01:38:35.439
kind of just make sure how you deal with it a

01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:37.399
little bit, you know, you kind of just feel a

01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:39.760
little woozy and nice. And then you go back and

01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:41.060
you're like, all right, let me get half cup.

01:38:41.220 --> 01:38:44.479
And then you're blasted off. You're in. So I

01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:46.760
feel like it would be hard to microdose this

01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:49.600
for the public. But I do think that if it becomes

01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:53.079
mainstream, I can guarantee you God's going to

01:38:53.079 --> 01:38:57.539
win. Hands down, this will be it. I believe everybody

01:38:57.539 --> 01:39:01.439
should drink this. So I'm going to say one more

01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:05.039
thing. I'm getting this overwhelming feeling

01:39:05.039 --> 01:39:07.819
that, you know, the more you discover about the

01:39:07.819 --> 01:39:10.859
Essenes and the ancient texts and the ancient

01:39:10.859 --> 01:39:14.260
mystical Bible and the way that they live their

01:39:14.260 --> 01:39:17.500
lives. It's going to make some connections with

01:39:17.500 --> 01:39:19.720
you that you've never even expected. You never

01:39:19.720 --> 01:39:25.039
saw coming because the Western world talks about

01:39:25.039 --> 01:39:29.880
this God that's got angels, right? So the gospel

01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:32.560
of peace, if you read that, it talks about the

01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:34.539
heavenly father with the angels. There's seven

01:39:34.539 --> 01:39:38.279
angels. But the gospel of peace also explains

01:39:38.279 --> 01:39:41.060
that there's the earthly mother with the seven

01:39:41.060 --> 01:39:45.180
angels and how we interact. During the daytime,

01:39:45.539 --> 01:39:50.539
we interact with the mother and then the angels,

01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:53.739
the angel of power, right? So it's a one -to

01:39:53.739 --> 01:39:55.960
-one interaction during the daytime when we're

01:39:55.960 --> 01:39:59.060
conscious and awake with the angel of power on

01:39:59.060 --> 01:40:02.399
behest of the, you know, it's a relationship

01:40:02.399 --> 01:40:05.220
we have with the earth mother. Then at nighttime,

01:40:05.300 --> 01:40:07.699
we surrender. This is where I go, the lucidity

01:40:07.699 --> 01:40:10.100
is right in the middle. When you're in the lucid

01:40:10.100 --> 01:40:12.199
state, you have mother and father both present,

01:40:12.319 --> 01:40:15.899
which is super awesome. And so you go into this

01:40:15.899 --> 01:40:17.779
lucid state, but at nighttime, you're literally

01:40:17.779 --> 01:40:20.319
surrendering to the Heavenly Father, into the

01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:23.279
esoteric, and you've got the seven angels. And

01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:25.420
you can commune with one of the angels every

01:40:25.420 --> 01:40:27.500
night, and there's seven days of the week. So

01:40:27.500 --> 01:40:30.119
you can literally rotate seven angels, seven

01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:32.760
days. It's all beautiful. But you can have these

01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:35.560
communions day and night with mom and dad, spend

01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:38.039
time with mom, spend time with dad, and it's

01:40:38.039 --> 01:40:41.930
an ongoing process. What you're saying, it's

01:40:41.930 --> 01:40:44.010
such a perfect dovetail with the... It would

01:40:44.010 --> 01:40:46.609
be, if there is going to be a revolution, and

01:40:46.609 --> 01:40:48.409
I think you're quite right about that, it's not

01:40:48.409 --> 01:40:51.090
going to be welcomed by the forces and powers

01:40:51.090 --> 01:40:53.289
that be that want to control us, is it? So that's

01:40:53.289 --> 01:40:55.770
going to be... I mean, think about the prisons.

01:40:56.170 --> 01:40:59.439
Like, say you have a hardened criminal. And they

01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:01.279
have an option of staying in the cell for the

01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:04.220
rest of their lives. That's interesting. I mean,

01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:07.340
I'm just thinking of these. Because I look for

01:41:07.340 --> 01:41:09.180
answers. I'm looking for answers. The reason

01:41:09.180 --> 01:41:11.439
I wanted Mike on is because I need to learn.

01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:13.659
Well, no, you give them an option. You have to

01:41:13.659 --> 01:41:15.319
give them an option. It's very intentionally.

01:41:15.659 --> 01:41:17.199
You have to want to change. You have to want

01:41:17.199 --> 01:41:19.920
to. If I were to try to rip somebody out of their

01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:21.760
home and just take them into the woods and give

01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:24.260
them this, they may have a very bad journey because

01:41:24.260 --> 01:41:27.199
they're thinking. You have to, it calls you.

01:41:27.819 --> 01:41:30.039
So what you do is, you know, I can see a scenario,

01:41:30.140 --> 01:41:32.979
say you have a hardened criminal who God knows

01:41:32.979 --> 01:41:35.140
what that person's trauma is. It's a reflection

01:41:35.140 --> 01:41:37.939
of an infinite divine creator, beautiful soul,

01:41:38.020 --> 01:41:40.399
most likely, right? And now they're incarcerated

01:41:40.399 --> 01:41:42.579
for the rest of their life. What if there was

01:41:42.579 --> 01:41:46.340
a way we could say, okay, look, until you, let's

01:41:46.340 --> 01:41:49.039
just, if you want to voluntarily go through this

01:41:49.039 --> 01:41:52.859
program, instead of paying. $100 ,000 a year

01:41:52.859 --> 01:41:56.539
to incarcerate you. Let's spend five grand. Let's

01:41:56.539 --> 01:41:58.100
put you through this program where we can...

01:41:58.100 --> 01:42:00.479
And then at the end, you're still going to wear

01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:02.000
a tether. You're still going to do all these

01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:04.579
things, whatever we need to keep you legitimate

01:42:04.579 --> 01:42:07.779
in society, right? We can still do that. But

01:42:07.779 --> 01:42:10.840
at some point, I feel like we should permit them

01:42:10.840 --> 01:42:13.460
to finish their journey and go through this so

01:42:13.460 --> 01:42:16.760
we can systematically empty the prisons. It's

01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:20.239
humane. We need to... People are going to respond

01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:21.899
to it because they want people to be punished.

01:42:22.079 --> 01:42:25.060
I think it should be necessary. It should be

01:42:25.060 --> 01:42:27.359
part of our Constitution of the United States.

01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:29.979
If you're going to be a politician, you need

01:42:29.979 --> 01:42:32.609
to get real. Yep, I believe that too. You need

01:42:32.609 --> 01:42:35.609
to get real. Do I have Oscar trip before becoming

01:42:35.609 --> 01:42:37.869
a politician? Something like it. I love it. I'm

01:42:37.869 --> 01:42:39.670
on the same page. I believe that. Because these

01:42:39.670 --> 01:42:42.670
people are psychopaths. And that will purify

01:42:42.670 --> 01:42:44.930
you is what is going to do that, isn't it? Well,

01:42:44.930 --> 01:42:47.369
you know, back in the day, look, you didn't get

01:42:47.369 --> 01:42:49.329
to be a politician. They didn't even call them

01:42:49.329 --> 01:42:51.409
politicians. They were statesmen. You were a

01:42:51.409 --> 01:42:53.069
statesman. And the idea is that you're going

01:42:53.069 --> 01:42:55.289
to represent we, the people. The people of your

01:42:55.289 --> 01:42:57.029
if you're in Nigeria, you're going to represent

01:42:57.029 --> 01:42:59.189
your people. Right. But you didn't get to be

01:42:59.189 --> 01:43:02.210
that elevated status because of your political

01:43:02.210 --> 01:43:04.729
power, your influence or who your dad was or

01:43:04.729 --> 01:43:07.869
how much money your family had. You rose to that

01:43:07.869 --> 01:43:10.029
level because people loved you and they trusted

01:43:10.029 --> 01:43:14.369
you. And that's gone. Yeah. So if you could,

01:43:14.449 --> 01:43:18.130
as a minimum, have it so that these people have

01:43:18.130 --> 01:43:22.039
a come to Jesus moment with themselves. And they

01:43:22.039 --> 01:43:24.359
know that getting up there that, hey, look, I'm

01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:27.979
here for a bigger purpose than these. So you're

01:43:27.979 --> 01:43:30.220
not, you're not, because if you put a, if you

01:43:30.220 --> 01:43:32.479
put broken people into politics, you're going

01:43:32.479 --> 01:43:33.899
to have broken results. You want to strip the

01:43:33.899 --> 01:43:36.680
ego from this politician primarily so they're

01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:38.539
acting from their soul essence. I mean, that

01:43:38.539 --> 01:43:40.659
would be, but there's so many practical, for

01:43:40.659 --> 01:43:43.579
me personally, there's so many, do you like music

01:43:43.579 --> 01:43:46.550
at all? My music genre has changed significantly

01:43:46.550 --> 01:43:48.789
since I lost it. But yes, I listen to a lot of

01:43:48.789 --> 01:43:51.550
spiritual. I listen to it all the time. Five

01:43:51.550 --> 01:43:54.949
-finger death punch? No, my favorite artist right

01:43:54.949 --> 01:43:58.310
now is named Ape Chimba. I don't know what language

01:43:58.310 --> 01:44:00.569
he speaks. I get that, but there's a really good

01:44:00.569 --> 01:44:05.109
video talking about veteran suicides, veteran

01:44:05.109 --> 01:44:10.289
PTSD, veteran trauma, veteran homelessness. Great

01:44:10.289 --> 01:44:14.409
video on that. I'll put a link to it. But if

01:44:14.409 --> 01:44:18.810
I could just help those veterans normalize their

01:44:18.810 --> 01:44:20.710
brains, because they're beautiful people. They

01:44:20.710 --> 01:44:24.090
did what they did to serve others. There's a

01:44:24.090 --> 01:44:28.390
soulful aspect to a homeless veteran that we

01:44:28.390 --> 01:44:30.449
need to help. We need to bring those people back.

01:44:30.449 --> 01:44:33.869
I've seen videos of soldiers leaving to do an

01:44:33.869 --> 01:44:36.430
Ibogaine treatment. And when they get home, their

01:44:36.430 --> 01:44:38.510
wife starts crying the moment she sees them without

01:44:38.510 --> 01:44:40.430
saying anything. Because you can see it in their

01:44:40.430 --> 01:44:45.310
eyes. And I'm so... I have so much respect for

01:44:45.310 --> 01:44:48.550
this medicine that, like I was even telling my

01:44:48.550 --> 01:44:53.090
sister this, if somebody offered me a chance

01:44:53.090 --> 01:44:56.609
to go do Ibogaine. How does Ibogaine differ from

01:44:56.609 --> 01:45:02.550
DMT? So from what I've understood is Ibogaine

01:45:02.550 --> 01:45:08.750
will shoot you into your shit. for close to two

01:45:08.750 --> 01:45:12.949
to three days. Oh, wow. In a concept you're in.

01:45:13.850 --> 01:45:16.189
And they've, I've also read that, you know, people

01:45:16.189 --> 01:45:18.930
will administer you and help you. You have to

01:45:18.930 --> 01:45:21.130
have admitted, like the volunteers make such

01:45:21.130 --> 01:45:24.270
a difference. Um, that's a big commitment. It

01:45:24.270 --> 01:45:26.810
is. And then from what I've heard is after you

01:45:26.810 --> 01:45:29.350
get out of an Ibogaine treatment, you enter this

01:45:29.350 --> 01:45:32.430
state of mind called the gray, where it's kind

01:45:32.430 --> 01:45:36.149
of like, you're not depressed, but you're just

01:45:37.420 --> 01:45:40.560
there's an anti -climax you don't know what the

01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:43.020
fuck just happened to you concept you're just

01:45:43.020 --> 01:45:46.319
in this zone and then from what i've heard i

01:45:46.319 --> 01:45:48.720
don't don't know if it's because i've never i've

01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:50.819
never done ibogaine but from what i've heard

01:45:50.819 --> 01:45:54.119
is then after you sit in the gray for like a

01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:58.500
day or so they then administer you bufo which

01:45:58.500 --> 01:46:01.479
is called the god molecule and from whatever

01:46:01.479 --> 01:46:06.260
that god i've done bufo about six times But after

01:46:06.260 --> 01:46:09.060
that Bufo experience, from what I've read, is

01:46:09.060 --> 01:46:13.039
that's when you completely, you just, that's

01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:15.199
it. You've transformed. So they're a tandem experience.

01:46:15.220 --> 01:46:17.520
That's from what I've heard. Yeah, and that's

01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:19.420
very similar to what I've studied because there's

01:46:19.420 --> 01:46:21.819
different layers. Like you could just do, you

01:46:21.819 --> 01:46:23.420
could do a mushroom trip that's going to get

01:46:23.420 --> 01:46:26.020
you into some shallow, like you can go very shallow.

01:46:26.479 --> 01:46:32.449
And it's both the breadth and the depth. It varies

01:46:32.449 --> 01:46:35.289
depending on... Yes. And I've heard... And it

01:46:35.289 --> 01:46:37.750
can depend on how sick you are mentally as well.

01:46:37.750 --> 01:46:39.250
It's going to depend on your own consciousness.

01:46:39.250 --> 01:46:42.789
I feel like ayahuasca allows you... So the way

01:46:42.789 --> 01:46:45.829
I look at plant medicines is I view them as the

01:46:45.829 --> 01:46:50.989
cell phone from God. So God would give us a way

01:46:50.989 --> 01:46:55.390
to retune ourself. He wants to be able to greet

01:46:55.390 --> 01:46:59.810
us at the doors. But the devil's down here just

01:46:59.810 --> 01:47:03.409
giving us our traumas. So we cannot enter the

01:47:03.409 --> 01:47:08.170
heavens as he intended. But I also think that

01:47:08.170 --> 01:47:14.109
by giving us our hell, our cleansing zone, to

01:47:14.109 --> 01:47:17.449
be able to absorb these traumas and then be able

01:47:17.449 --> 01:47:20.390
to cleanse ourselves through them and get to

01:47:20.390 --> 01:47:24.199
the peaceful state to enter. is more beneficial

01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:27.420
because we wouldn't be who we are today without

01:47:27.420 --> 01:47:29.220
our traumas. I wouldn't change any of mine. I

01:47:29.220 --> 01:47:31.100
wouldn't change any of mine. No, it's interesting,

01:47:31.300 --> 01:47:34.939
isn't it? And I think that the way I look at

01:47:34.939 --> 01:47:38.439
it is ayahuasca allows you to retune yourself

01:47:38.439 --> 01:47:42.699
to a degree. It's not, ibogaine is going to,

01:47:42.739 --> 01:47:46.579
it is going to rewire you. you're you're in you're

01:47:46.579 --> 01:47:49.520
going to go it's a full reset more hardcore than

01:47:49.520 --> 01:47:52.199
ayahuasca in my opinion yes to the point that

01:47:52.199 --> 01:47:54.300
i respect these medicines so much that if somebody

01:47:54.300 --> 01:47:59.359
offered me a free ibogaine i don't need it right

01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:02.140
i think that's very legitimate especially if

01:48:02.140 --> 01:48:04.279
ayahuasca is the teacher the mother she'll tell

01:48:04.279 --> 01:48:07.880
you it's like this not this this not yes you

01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:11.920
know i would feel bad taking a spot on an ibogaine

01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:16.399
ceremony when i know about four or five people

01:48:16.399 --> 01:48:20.079
personally that need that spot yeah that's true

01:48:20.079 --> 01:48:21.920
you know if you guys had an ibogaine ceremony

01:48:21.920 --> 01:48:24.100
here and you're like hey we have unlimited ibogaine

01:48:24.100 --> 01:48:27.199
you know everything's full come what's the compound

01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:30.840
in ibogaine what is it it's a west african root

01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:33.359
it's a root it's a root i forget the name of

01:48:33.359 --> 01:48:39.930
it's like a IBOU, it starts with IBO. So a trip

01:48:39.930 --> 01:48:43.529
to West Africa then? I've been there. I've been

01:48:43.529 --> 01:48:47.750
to six West African countries. So let me ask

01:48:47.750 --> 01:48:49.689
you this. I want to kind of put a bow on this.

01:48:49.750 --> 01:48:52.329
And first of all, gratitude to Mike. Sarah just

01:48:52.329 --> 01:48:53.890
finished. You don't know this about Sarah. She

01:48:53.890 --> 01:48:57.909
just finished a very extensive catechism. We

01:48:57.909 --> 01:49:00.430
talk a lot on this show about spirituality and

01:49:00.430 --> 01:49:04.090
our journey. Based on what Mike's shared, Sarah,

01:49:04.310 --> 01:49:07.109
what are some of the novel insights you've seen

01:49:07.109 --> 01:49:09.569
that, you know, how does this dovetail with your

01:49:09.569 --> 01:49:14.569
catechism? What I like about it is what you believe

01:49:14.569 --> 01:49:17.930
and what I believe to be the therapeutic properties

01:49:17.930 --> 01:49:22.100
of it. So can this... transport someone into

01:49:22.100 --> 01:49:25.180
a better experience of life on planet earth and

01:49:25.180 --> 01:49:27.840
get them out their ego loops the answer would

01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:30.380
be yes i think you'd have to be brave you'd have

01:49:30.380 --> 01:49:33.819
to be committed so i see it as a beautiful thing

01:49:33.819 --> 01:49:38.000
for the people that are right for it i know a

01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:39.760
lot of people that wouldn't touch it with a barge

01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:43.340
pod and i think that that's okay for them Me

01:49:43.340 --> 01:49:46.140
too. That's fine. But for the people that wish

01:49:46.140 --> 01:49:49.880
to have a bigger, wider, better experience, I

01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:52.439
think that that's something. I know that I'm

01:49:52.439 --> 01:49:54.939
going to do it. I absolutely know that. Yeah.

01:49:54.939 --> 01:49:57.539
I don't know when. I didn't know last week that

01:49:57.539 --> 01:49:59.939
I was going to meet you, so who knows? But I

01:49:59.939 --> 01:50:02.539
would like to try it and then see for myself.

01:50:02.699 --> 01:50:04.939
I'd want to definitely have subjective experience

01:50:04.939 --> 01:50:08.119
before I would. think about it any further. Do

01:50:08.119 --> 01:50:10.399
you feel any of the concepts dovetail with your

01:50:10.399 --> 01:50:13.340
catechism? Well, so I believe that we're creating

01:50:13.340 --> 01:50:15.340
our reality with our minds, that we live in a

01:50:15.340 --> 01:50:18.039
quantum field, that this is what God prepared

01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:21.119
for our growth and that life mirrors back our

01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:24.500
inner state of mind and that there's no outside

01:50:24.500 --> 01:50:27.380
forces creating our reality, it's us doing it.

01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:32.079
So if you did Ibogaine or you did Ayahuasca and

01:50:32.079 --> 01:50:34.380
you got rid of a lot of your impurities and you

01:50:35.149 --> 01:50:38.609
you'd purge them, then maybe what you could create

01:50:38.609 --> 01:50:41.489
in this quantum field would be absolutely spectacular

01:50:41.489 --> 01:50:44.789
because you'd be now in control of your mind

01:50:44.789 --> 01:50:47.609
without so much ego dominating. Yep, you'd be

01:50:47.609 --> 01:50:49.770
able to create. I feel like we are sent here

01:50:49.770 --> 01:50:54.750
to create our home. So my home, when I die and

01:50:54.750 --> 01:50:58.430
I go to where I believe my new home is, I can

01:50:58.430 --> 01:51:00.069
already tell you it's going to be filled with

01:51:00.069 --> 01:51:03.189
family. It's going to be filled with these avatar

01:51:03.189 --> 01:51:06.449
plants that I love. It's going to be filled with

01:51:06.449 --> 01:51:10.850
the most unbelievable. It's my room. And the

01:51:10.850 --> 01:51:15.989
plant medicine helps you like the ego. So when

01:51:15.989 --> 01:51:19.850
I was growing up, my brother had a big ego. He

01:51:19.850 --> 01:51:24.189
was the man. He was Mr. Popular. So every time

01:51:24.189 --> 01:51:27.109
I would go out, there was no matching his ego.

01:51:27.630 --> 01:51:31.590
So even as a kid, I would be out fishing. I would

01:51:31.590 --> 01:51:36.920
be out exploring. And then I started working

01:51:36.920 --> 01:51:40.340
with my parents. And I kind of naturally took

01:51:40.340 --> 01:51:42.920
on that role. So there was never really once

01:51:42.920 --> 01:51:45.920
in my life where I was just like, what do I want

01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:50.579
to be? So ego to me, I feel like I didn't have

01:51:50.579 --> 01:51:54.140
much of an ego. Ayahuasca gave me my ego. And

01:51:54.140 --> 01:51:59.119
I look at ego as a double end. You have a human

01:51:59.119 --> 01:52:02.739
ego and a spiritual ego. And I look at it as

01:52:02.739 --> 01:52:05.819
body armor. to where your ego is your body armor.

01:52:06.340 --> 01:52:10.699
So if you are, you know, you're, you're a professional

01:52:10.699 --> 01:52:12.899
in this field and that, and you're, you're, you're

01:52:12.899 --> 01:52:16.380
the top of the field and no one can tell you

01:52:16.380 --> 01:52:19.300
any different. That's one of your egos. You are

01:52:19.300 --> 01:52:22.600
that. And you have that, that body armor to where

01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:25.020
I feel like I didn't have much. So when I journey,

01:52:25.060 --> 01:52:27.859
I feel like my journeys go significantly deeper.

01:52:28.920 --> 01:52:31.359
Because I'm not breaking apart what I am because

01:52:31.359 --> 01:52:35.460
I was truly searching for what am I. And now

01:52:35.460 --> 01:52:40.359
I believe my ego is my spiritual body armor is

01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:45.380
now layering my ego to where I'm not saying I'm

01:52:45.380 --> 01:52:51.520
immune to the devil, but there's no more attachment

01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:54.979
to it. I'm not saying that he won't eventually

01:52:54.979 --> 01:52:58.239
traumatize me, but it's going to be really hard.

01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:00.359
It's going to be really hard. It's going to be

01:53:00.359 --> 01:53:02.680
to the point where if something traumatic does

01:53:02.680 --> 01:53:04.920
happen to me, I'm at the state of mind where

01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:07.180
I may want to sit with that trauma for a year.

01:53:07.720 --> 01:53:10.159
I may not run to my medicine right away because

01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:15.399
I want to understand this trauma and then tackle

01:53:15.399 --> 01:53:18.640
it. And it's almost like you don't appreciate

01:53:18.640 --> 01:53:21.039
the trauma, but you understand it is playing

01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:23.340
a role in your life. So you have embraced it.

01:53:23.479 --> 01:53:30.590
You've embraced it. And being able to. Like death.

01:53:33.569 --> 01:53:38.470
It's hard. Death is not a dead end. But once

01:53:38.470 --> 01:53:40.689
you break through that with ayahuasca and you're

01:53:40.689 --> 01:53:43.130
able to see your grandpa, the hardest states

01:53:43.130 --> 01:53:46.770
of mind I've ever been fighting my fights, something

01:53:46.770 --> 01:53:52.250
or someone beautiful will save you. My grandma

01:53:52.250 --> 01:53:55.500
is always there. And I always tell my mom, she

01:53:55.500 --> 01:53:57.060
always, every time I get out of ceremony, she's

01:53:57.060 --> 01:53:58.439
like, did you see Nana? I'm like, mom, she's

01:53:58.439 --> 01:54:01.319
always there. I've been crying on the floor and

01:54:01.319 --> 01:54:05.460
I will just see my grandma's hand come down and

01:54:05.460 --> 01:54:09.060
just place her hand on top of mine and you're

01:54:09.060 --> 01:54:11.840
out of it. You feel the love. You feel the, yeah.

01:54:13.020 --> 01:54:16.140
So there's nothing to fear ultimately then? No.

01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:18.579
The only thing you can fear is yourself and your

01:54:18.579 --> 01:54:21.340
ego. Your ego is going to let you battle. How

01:54:21.340 --> 01:54:23.380
hard are you going to... Before you surrender.

01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:26.460
Until you surrender. And I didn't have much of

01:54:26.460 --> 01:54:29.899
an ego, but I would say some egos would be living

01:54:29.899 --> 01:54:33.039
up to my dad's expectations. That could have

01:54:33.039 --> 01:54:35.460
been part of that ceremony. Being able to finally

01:54:35.460 --> 01:54:39.520
rip free, become my own man. And at the same

01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:43.039
time, connect and become him. Yes, that's an

01:54:43.039 --> 01:54:45.239
interesting part, isn't it? And he's always with

01:54:45.239 --> 01:54:47.840
me. He's always with me. Rather than being in

01:54:47.840 --> 01:54:51.340
his shadows. We're united to the point where

01:54:51.340 --> 01:54:53.920
when, if something did happen to him, say he's

01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:57.060
got, you know, 15 more years, you know, hopefully

01:54:57.060 --> 01:55:02.359
20, 25. When that time comes, I know exactly

01:55:02.359 --> 01:55:04.520
where I can go see him. Well, exactly. I was

01:55:04.520 --> 01:55:07.779
just going to say that. The veil is gone. The

01:55:07.779 --> 01:55:10.819
veil is gone. I have seen friends that have passed,

01:55:10.960 --> 01:55:14.579
my grandparents on both sides, my brother -in

01:55:14.579 --> 01:55:18.449
-laws. Father passed away about a month and a

01:55:18.449 --> 01:55:21.949
half before my last ceremony, and I saw him.

01:55:22.010 --> 01:55:26.550
And it's not even a, it's a minor thing. Do you

01:55:26.550 --> 01:55:32.069
see any pets? Not, okay, so not necessarily individual

01:55:32.069 --> 01:55:35.710
pets, but I have been to places where I will

01:55:35.710 --> 01:55:40.670
be in front of this huge avatar plant with a

01:55:40.670 --> 01:55:44.710
massive stem and millions of eyeballs on it.

01:55:45.289 --> 01:55:48.270
And I'll be viewing this. And somehow I just

01:55:48.270 --> 01:55:51.909
understood this is the place that animals and

01:55:51.909 --> 01:55:55.470
plants can come in order to view us. I don't

01:55:55.470 --> 01:55:58.170
know why. It didn't leave a huge impact, but

01:55:58.170 --> 01:56:00.510
it was like, that's cool. Curiosity. Yeah, that's

01:56:00.510 --> 01:56:03.989
interesting. I'll accept that, you know. But

01:56:03.989 --> 01:56:06.609
there's a lot of things about the ceremonies

01:56:06.609 --> 01:56:08.909
that are amazing. Oh, mentioning. So I brought

01:56:08.909 --> 01:56:10.729
you guys a gift. I forgot to give it to you at

01:56:10.729 --> 01:56:13.600
the beginning. We love gifts here. I was getting

01:56:13.600 --> 01:56:15.659
excited. I was getting excited. I was getting

01:56:15.659 --> 01:56:18.300
excited. However, there's two of them in there.

01:56:19.659 --> 01:56:23.300
But yeah, even at the beginning of ceremonies,

01:56:23.460 --> 01:56:29.840
they offer a, it's called hape. And it's a ceremonial

01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:35.319
ground tobacco plant. And it's in an ash form.

01:56:35.819 --> 01:56:38.800
And they administer it straight up your nasal.

01:56:39.119 --> 01:56:44.149
Oh, yeah. Right? And the, the, um, the different

01:56:44.149 --> 01:56:48.689
tobaccos, once, once it enters, it's, it's unpleasant.

01:56:48.970 --> 01:56:52.590
It gives you, but it, it relaxes your nervous

01:56:52.590 --> 01:56:56.409
system to a point that just opens you up before

01:56:56.409 --> 01:57:00.529
the medicine. And, um, it's like a premed, just

01:57:00.529 --> 01:57:02.750
a warmup. And like, I have Hoppe here with me.

01:57:03.180 --> 01:57:05.960
and i don't do it all the time but the moments

01:57:05.960 --> 01:57:09.420
in life when shit gets real you get in you know

01:57:09.420 --> 01:57:11.640
your stresses are hitting you from all angles

01:57:11.640 --> 01:57:13.880
you know i'd like to say it's the devil's punching

01:57:13.880 --> 01:57:16.739
me on any turn you know the bill's got to be

01:57:16.739 --> 01:57:18.619
paid this and that just snuff a little bit of

01:57:18.619 --> 01:57:21.079
this if things get intense yeah i can go sit

01:57:21.079 --> 01:57:23.840
on my patio like and it's an instant kind of

01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:28.159
it's a it's a relief it it forces you to almost

01:57:28.159 --> 01:57:33.279
a meditative state because the effects are just

01:57:33.279 --> 01:57:35.939
kind of like, it's right there in your core.

01:57:36.140 --> 01:57:40.420
So it engulfs you to where all of your stress

01:57:40.420 --> 01:57:43.479
is just, you almost get the chills, but you can

01:57:43.479 --> 01:57:46.359
feel it bleeding off of you. So like I said,

01:57:46.420 --> 01:57:48.500
I don't do it often, but yeah, if there's a,

01:57:48.619 --> 01:57:52.260
same thing as a, in ayahuasca ceremonies, they

01:57:52.260 --> 01:57:54.199
always tell you one of the most important things

01:57:54.199 --> 01:57:56.739
you can do is take time for yourself after your

01:57:56.739 --> 01:57:59.840
ceremonies. Throughout the span, take five minutes

01:57:59.840 --> 01:58:04.640
for yourself. I don't believe there's much that

01:58:04.640 --> 01:58:08.659
can do that for me besides hape. Because if I...

01:58:08.659 --> 01:58:11.380
And hape is, what's the ingredient of it? It's

01:58:11.380 --> 01:58:15.680
different plants and herbs. Yeah. And it's also

01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:22.859
a ground tobacco plant. And they just crush them

01:58:22.859 --> 01:58:24.760
up and take the ashes. They burn it and take

01:58:24.760 --> 01:58:27.310
the ashes. Can I grow that in Florida? I don't

01:58:27.310 --> 01:58:29.649
know. I'm sure you could. Did you buy that from

01:58:29.649 --> 01:58:31.670
somewhere? There's a website. A couple of my

01:58:31.670 --> 01:58:33.909
buddies have websites that they sell them. And

01:58:33.909 --> 01:58:36.489
then they ship it to you. And then the administer,

01:58:36.850 --> 01:58:39.890
I forgot the name of it. It's a Ker -P. I forgot

01:58:39.890 --> 01:58:42.670
what the name they say. Looks like this. Smells

01:58:42.670 --> 01:58:46.250
good. And so you would just take a P -shaped.

01:58:46.510 --> 01:58:49.609
Right. And you load it in. And then you would

01:58:49.609 --> 01:58:52.550
just. And you blow it straight up. Snort it right

01:58:52.550 --> 01:58:54.229
up. Yep. And you just kind of, it's more of a,

01:58:54.289 --> 01:58:56.210
instead of like, even when they administer me

01:58:56.210 --> 01:58:57.670
before ceremony, they always tell you like, hold

01:58:57.670 --> 01:59:00.810
your breath and lock, like kind of lock the airways

01:59:00.810 --> 01:59:03.350
because the administer is going to blow themselves.

01:59:04.029 --> 01:59:07.090
Or this one I would blow here and it would shoot

01:59:07.090 --> 01:59:12.510
itself up. And, um, and yeah, it's a very, um.

01:59:13.359 --> 01:59:15.720
And for those of you listening, what we're looking

01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:18.600
at is just basically like an L -shaped device

01:59:18.600 --> 01:59:20.979
that looks like a straw that's bent. And you

01:59:20.979 --> 01:59:23.479
could literally blow into the tube and it goes

01:59:23.479 --> 01:59:25.899
up your nose. That's what we're looking at. Basically,

01:59:25.899 --> 01:59:29.699
yeah. Self -administering. So thank you for the

01:59:29.699 --> 01:59:32.239
gift, Mike. So those are kind of just ceremonial

01:59:32.239 --> 01:59:34.520
hoppe bottles, but they're decorative. I got

01:59:34.520 --> 01:59:37.539
them, I think, after my... I want to say I got

01:59:37.539 --> 01:59:41.180
those after my... They're identical. Oh, we have

01:59:41.180 --> 01:59:43.420
twins. And I got them. It's just a little...

01:59:43.420 --> 01:59:46.720
Oh, look at how cute. Oh, thank you. That's so

01:59:46.720 --> 01:59:48.260
thoughtful. And they have little ayahuasca roots

01:59:48.260 --> 01:59:50.479
embedded in the side and the top of them. Oh,

01:59:50.500 --> 01:59:53.939
that's so beautiful. Thank you. So I want to...

01:59:53.939 --> 01:59:56.500
God, that's so amazing. I always appreciate little

01:59:56.500 --> 02:00:00.300
gifts. Oh, that's lovely. So I want to put a

02:00:00.300 --> 02:00:02.319
bow on this. First of all, I express gratitude

02:00:02.319 --> 02:00:03.520
to you, Mike, for coming out. Oh, thank you,

02:00:03.539 --> 02:00:06.239
guys. Sarah, I want to let you close... Not close,

02:00:06.380 --> 02:00:08.880
but just any closing thoughts on the... topic.

02:00:08.880 --> 02:00:11.119
Then I have one last question for Mike. No closing

02:00:11.119 --> 02:00:12.619
thoughts, because I think we should have another

02:00:12.619 --> 02:00:14.800
conversation. I think we should. Yeah. Yeah.

02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:16.640
We'll do this again and then follow up. We'll

02:00:16.640 --> 02:00:18.619
do some more research, but cause I still have

02:00:18.619 --> 02:00:20.680
a lot and I think we're gone. This is a good

02:00:20.680 --> 02:00:23.279
first starting point, but Mike, when we came

02:00:23.279 --> 02:00:25.880
here, you mentioned several times that this,

02:00:25.960 --> 02:00:29.460
you see this experience of doing a podcast. And

02:00:29.460 --> 02:00:32.500
by the way, you're only our second podcast, like

02:00:32.500 --> 02:00:35.039
where we have a guest and I think it's very valuable.

02:00:35.470 --> 02:00:37.670
At least it is, but both of them have been, for

02:00:37.670 --> 02:00:41.850
me, a very valuable experience. But you had expressed

02:00:41.850 --> 02:00:44.789
that you perceived this to be somewhat therapeutic,

02:00:45.109 --> 02:00:48.270
a part of your journey. What does that mean?

02:00:48.329 --> 02:00:52.149
And did you feel like this fulfilled the need

02:00:52.149 --> 02:00:55.069
for you to have such a therapy? Did we accomplish

02:00:55.069 --> 02:00:59.289
the goal? Oh, beyond that. Because, like I said,

02:00:59.369 --> 02:01:03.189
they call it integration after you take ceremonies.

02:01:04.189 --> 02:01:08.510
And it's a way to just get it out, a way to express

02:01:08.510 --> 02:01:13.029
new belief systems, new ways to think about situations

02:01:13.029 --> 02:01:16.210
and the people help you kind of get to that goal.

02:01:16.710 --> 02:01:21.069
And like I said, there's only so much my business

02:01:21.069 --> 02:01:23.750
partner and my wife can take before you start

02:01:23.750 --> 02:01:27.649
getting really weird. And there's not a lot of

02:01:27.649 --> 02:01:30.649
people that you run into that. have these mindsets

02:01:30.649 --> 02:01:34.170
so it is like i said it's a yeah you say there's

02:01:34.170 --> 02:01:39.989
it's a lonely life so for me to be able to come

02:01:39.989 --> 02:01:44.909
here and just be me my authentic hat you know

02:01:44.909 --> 02:01:47.289
this is the real me i don't have to be a business

02:01:47.289 --> 02:01:49.569
owner right now and the idea that this could

02:01:49.569 --> 02:01:54.670
reach one person that's in a bad spot and understand

02:01:54.670 --> 02:02:00.520
just enough information to research this is beyond

02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:05.319
therapeutic for me because I would fight as hard

02:02:05.319 --> 02:02:08.220
as I can for this plant medicine because of the

02:02:08.220 --> 02:02:10.880
powers, not only that it affected me, but it

02:02:10.880 --> 02:02:15.779
also, it saved my sister, you know? Yeah. And

02:02:15.779 --> 02:02:17.039
like me and my sister are best. And repaired

02:02:17.039 --> 02:02:19.260
your relationship with your dad. Yes. It's beautiful.

02:02:19.880 --> 02:02:21.920
And like even with my dad, me and my dad had

02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:25.090
a great relationship. It was a maybe subconscious

02:02:25.090 --> 02:02:28.630
trauma of trying to fill these shoes. And I understood

02:02:28.630 --> 02:02:31.390
I'm beyond those shoes because I am those shoes.

02:02:31.689 --> 02:02:39.109
And it humbled me. Ayahuasca allowed me to appreciate

02:02:39.109 --> 02:02:43.770
the last stages of his journey in a different

02:02:43.770 --> 02:02:48.989
perspective. And if people can understand that

02:02:48.989 --> 02:02:54.569
this medicine is not... It might be scary. But

02:02:54.569 --> 02:02:57.930
it is the... We've all been through scary situations

02:02:57.930 --> 02:03:00.050
in our lives, though, I think, haven't we? I've

02:03:00.050 --> 02:03:02.029
been through horrible stuff. And categorically,

02:03:02.029 --> 02:03:04.149
we come out stronger. We come out stronger. And

02:03:04.149 --> 02:03:06.630
you wouldn't change it. And you wouldn't change

02:03:06.630 --> 02:03:09.270
it. Some of the most dirtbag experiences I've

02:03:09.270 --> 02:03:12.710
had have made me powerful. So I get that. So

02:03:12.710 --> 02:03:15.369
moving forward, if somebody wants to get a hold

02:03:15.369 --> 02:03:17.050
of you, can you give me a link or something?

02:03:17.470 --> 02:03:21.779
Maybe they can get a... I need a way if they

02:03:21.779 --> 02:03:23.399
have questions, how do they get a hold of you

02:03:23.399 --> 02:03:26.520
or do you even want to remain anonymous? Or they

02:03:26.520 --> 02:03:28.020
can get in touch with you through our website.

02:03:29.159 --> 02:03:31.680
Just have them get a hold of me and then I can

02:03:31.680 --> 02:03:34.600
forward it. Yes, because I'm at the beginning.

02:03:34.659 --> 02:03:36.720
It was funny when I was driving here, I was looking

02:03:36.720 --> 02:03:38.600
at all the pastors coming in and everything.

02:03:39.439 --> 02:03:44.779
And my first 10 ceremonies, my sole intention

02:03:44.779 --> 02:03:48.840
was to shake hands with God or Jesus, right?

02:03:49.399 --> 02:03:53.100
That was my basis. Every time I went in, my sister

02:03:53.100 --> 02:03:55.899
would laugh at me. What's your intention? That's

02:03:55.899 --> 02:04:00.720
it. Because I need proof of something beyond.

02:04:01.439 --> 02:04:05.439
And I got that on my 10th. I figured I got what

02:04:05.439 --> 02:04:09.680
I was and I feel like the next chapter of my

02:04:09.680 --> 02:04:13.079
journey is about to open. So being able to come

02:04:13.079 --> 02:04:18.510
here and do this podcast really solidified. everything

02:04:18.510 --> 02:04:21.189
and it's really allowing my spiritual self to

02:04:21.189 --> 02:04:25.289
close this chapter to an extent and being and

02:04:25.289 --> 02:04:29.210
it's allowing me to continue on it's beautiful

02:04:29.210 --> 02:04:32.789
we're glad to be part of that to be continued

02:04:32.789 --> 02:04:34.909
i think we should have another conversation so

02:04:34.909 --> 02:04:38.710
as our second guest what what overall not talking

02:04:38.710 --> 02:04:40.590
about ayahuasca but just the overall experience

02:04:40.590 --> 02:04:43.829
you've never done a podcast you're only our second

02:04:43.829 --> 02:04:46.380
guest What's been the experience here at the

02:04:46.380 --> 02:04:48.939
treehouse? There can't be much that would intimidate

02:04:48.939 --> 02:04:53.399
you, though, because you've seen so much. Well,

02:04:53.579 --> 02:04:55.859
he wanted to come early to kind of chill out

02:04:55.859 --> 02:04:58.359
and get the lay of the land. So there was this

02:04:58.359 --> 02:05:01.880
unknowingness. But if you were to make a suggestion

02:05:01.880 --> 02:05:06.060
to future guests, what would you advise them?

02:05:06.119 --> 02:05:09.800
What would you say? They're in a good spot? Oh,

02:05:09.859 --> 02:05:13.039
I'd say that this place is amazing. It's amazing.

02:05:13.420 --> 02:05:17.880
And no, it was more than what I expected, honestly.

02:05:18.140 --> 02:05:23.260
What did you expect and what did you get? I expected

02:05:23.260 --> 02:05:26.840
to be nervous. I mean, I'm putting it out there.

02:05:26.840 --> 02:05:30.399
No, no, that's fine. I just don't know how anything

02:05:30.399 --> 02:05:33.819
could be nerve -wracking after seeing this incredible

02:05:33.819 --> 02:05:37.390
reality. And it was freeing. I haven't slept

02:05:37.390 --> 02:05:39.270
much since you told me that you wanted me on

02:05:39.270 --> 02:05:41.170
your podcast. Oh, you can sleep tonight. Oh,

02:05:41.170 --> 02:05:44.029
yes. Solely because... I've got some herbals

02:05:44.029 --> 02:05:47.229
you can have. You can sleep for 24 hours. I'll

02:05:47.229 --> 02:05:50.130
give you some mummy offer tonight. And it was

02:05:50.130 --> 02:05:54.310
freeing for me being able to talk about something

02:05:54.310 --> 02:05:57.489
that I'm very passionate about and being able

02:05:57.489 --> 02:06:01.390
to be... I'm not an expert. I'm not by any means

02:06:01.390 --> 02:06:04.720
a facilitator. I'm my own. You're a journeyer.

02:06:04.760 --> 02:06:07.760
I'm a journeyer. And being able to step into

02:06:07.760 --> 02:06:11.300
a conversation, and it's just such an open, loving

02:06:11.300 --> 02:06:14.579
conversation to be able to express what this

02:06:14.579 --> 02:06:18.520
is about, it's therapeutic. Like I said, man,

02:06:19.220 --> 02:06:21.100
I have these conversations with my head, with

02:06:21.100 --> 02:06:22.859
myself, and I'll laugh. So there's some fellowship

02:06:22.859 --> 02:06:25.619
in this, isn't there? The whole community. People

02:06:25.619 --> 02:06:28.220
talk normally about what could be considered

02:06:28.220 --> 02:06:30.520
abnormal, and a lot of people wouldn't touch

02:06:30.520 --> 02:06:35.979
this. Yes, even the concept of after ceremony,

02:06:36.279 --> 02:06:39.859
they have multiple different facilitators that

02:06:39.859 --> 02:06:43.600
you can sign up to their weekly integration so

02:06:43.600 --> 02:06:48.060
that you can go on to their weekly, talk about

02:06:48.060 --> 02:06:50.340
your experiences, and they'll help you kind of

02:06:50.340 --> 02:06:54.420
navigate. It's a way to release positive energy.

02:06:54.899 --> 02:06:56.920
I'm going to ask one more question, and this

02:06:56.920 --> 02:06:59.020
could actually segue into our next interview.

02:07:01.340 --> 02:07:03.479
preparing for the show and just, cause I wanted

02:07:03.479 --> 02:07:06.760
to do some basic research myself, but, um, I've

02:07:06.760 --> 02:07:08.840
got this earth angel project on which I'm working

02:07:08.840 --> 02:07:10.840
and Sarah's got her church that she's working

02:07:10.840 --> 02:07:12.460
on that and they're going to integrate in some

02:07:12.460 --> 02:07:14.960
way, but I started, you know, I have this idea

02:07:14.960 --> 02:07:18.800
of, you know, we talk about first responders

02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:21.020
and all this stuff benefiting from this, each

02:07:21.020 --> 02:07:22.819
one of us individually with our soul's journey,

02:07:22.939 --> 02:07:26.979
but there's some really high level people and,

02:07:27.060 --> 02:07:29.409
you know, politics, governments, universities,

02:07:29.590 --> 02:07:34.470
businesses that really could benefit from this

02:07:34.470 --> 02:07:38.489
and set themselves free. Do you see that as a

02:07:38.489 --> 02:07:41.609
possible vector for them to get to their next

02:07:41.609 --> 02:07:45.670
level as a CEO of a major corporation or something

02:07:45.670 --> 02:07:48.949
like that? Oh, I believe everybody. This plant

02:07:48.949 --> 02:07:51.489
medicine is for everyone. And I'm on the same

02:07:51.489 --> 02:07:53.350
page with you. I truly believe that every single

02:07:53.350 --> 02:07:55.350
politician should have to do this at least three

02:07:55.350 --> 02:07:57.829
to four times. Interesting, fascinating. Yeah,

02:07:57.890 --> 02:08:00.710
and I just threw that out there as an off -the

02:08:00.710 --> 02:08:02.630
-cuff comment, but it's actually relevant. You

02:08:02.630 --> 02:08:05.109
could say that prior to being a parent, you should

02:08:05.109 --> 02:08:06.909
do it three or four times. I mean, prior to doing

02:08:06.909 --> 02:08:08.649
anything. Prior to doing anything important,

02:08:08.750 --> 02:08:10.829
let's have a reality check. Yeah, let's have

02:08:10.829 --> 02:08:13.149
a reality check. I think that it's, like I said,

02:08:13.229 --> 02:08:16.840
it's the cell phone. To God. It allows you to

02:08:16.840 --> 02:08:18.600
cleanse yourself. So on this episode, we need

02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:21.979
a cell phone to God. Make a caricature of him

02:08:21.979 --> 02:08:24.380
with a cell phone to talk to God. So like, as

02:08:24.380 --> 02:08:28.819
far as me today, I am the most, I'm the freest

02:08:28.819 --> 02:08:32.300
I've ever been in my life. And I'm excited to

02:08:32.300 --> 02:08:35.859
continue my journey as a free soul. But also

02:08:35.859 --> 02:08:40.079
as the traumas come in, I have a place to go.

02:08:40.510 --> 02:08:44.130
So I'm no longer fearful of those because once

02:08:44.130 --> 02:08:47.170
something happens to me, I know how to handle

02:08:47.170 --> 02:08:49.369
it. I know you're going to be fine. I know I'm

02:08:49.369 --> 02:08:50.989
going to be fine and I know it's going to be

02:08:50.989 --> 02:08:53.989
the most beautiful fight of my life. So in a

02:08:53.989 --> 02:08:58.409
very brief sentence or paragraph, say a closing

02:08:58.409 --> 02:09:01.050
thought to the brand new person who listened

02:09:01.050 --> 02:09:03.970
to this episode the whole way through and they're

02:09:03.970 --> 02:09:07.590
considering ayahuasca for whatever reason, whether

02:09:07.590 --> 02:09:13.050
it's trauma, a new experience. Curiosity. Desperation.

02:09:13.250 --> 02:09:16.109
In just a sentence to a brand new person listening,

02:09:16.229 --> 02:09:19.630
or even to a skeptic, a religious zealot, that

02:09:19.630 --> 02:09:23.510
this is the devil, you know, make a suggestion

02:09:23.510 --> 02:09:26.550
to those people listening. To those people listening,

02:09:26.630 --> 02:09:33.029
I would say, one, to truly free your soul is

02:09:33.029 --> 02:09:35.829
one of the most beneficial experiences of my

02:09:35.829 --> 02:09:39.359
life. And also, as they research this medicine,

02:09:39.560 --> 02:09:43.720
the biggest thing that all the facilitators I've

02:09:43.720 --> 02:09:46.199
ever been around have said to me is the medicine

02:09:46.199 --> 02:09:50.380
may not give you what you want, but it's going

02:09:50.380 --> 02:09:52.800
to give you what you need. And it's not going

02:09:52.800 --> 02:09:55.680
to take you beyond what you're capable of handling.

02:09:56.119 --> 02:09:59.640
And it's so true. You'll get pushed to your limits,

02:09:59.779 --> 02:10:01.579
but how do you know what you are without getting

02:10:01.579 --> 02:10:06.319
pushed to those limits? I can't guarantee, but

02:10:06.319 --> 02:10:10.199
I can say every single person I've ever been

02:10:10.199 --> 02:10:12.600
around has said it will leave you in the most

02:10:12.600 --> 02:10:15.760
beautiful spot when you're done. Ladies and gentlemen,

02:10:15.800 --> 02:10:17.579
thanks for listening to Soul Decodes. This has

02:10:17.579 --> 02:10:21.729
been Mike Solis. Sarah, closing thoughts? No,

02:10:21.810 --> 02:10:23.989
I'm just going to take in the whole conversation.

02:10:24.250 --> 02:10:26.430
It's been beautiful meeting you. I've enjoyed

02:10:26.430 --> 02:10:28.710
every minute of this, and I can't wait to talk

02:10:28.710 --> 02:10:30.949
to you again. I have a whole bunch of questions

02:10:30.949 --> 02:10:33.430
that we didn't get to, so we can do another one.

02:10:33.430 --> 02:10:35.609
Thank you for coming on the show. It's been a

02:10:35.609 --> 02:10:38.470
delight. Yeah, truly. And I'm going to try it.

02:10:38.510 --> 02:10:40.890
I've always knew that I would, so we'll see.

02:10:40.970 --> 02:10:43.090
Everything we do is unscripted. We don't have

02:10:43.090 --> 02:10:45.579
an agenda, but this has been... A really good

02:10:45.579 --> 02:10:47.180
episode. I think this is going to be one of our

02:10:47.180 --> 02:10:50.300
best episodes. I hope you'll share it with your

02:10:50.300 --> 02:10:53.619
friends and family. Yeah, just send it out. Maybe

02:10:53.619 --> 02:10:55.359
we should give him a chance to do his own graphic,

02:10:55.420 --> 02:10:57.439
but the thing is it has to be done by 3 a .m.,

02:10:57.439 --> 02:10:59.479
so I'll probably do it. If you want to redo the

02:10:59.479 --> 02:11:01.560
graphic, I'll replace it down the road. I'll

02:11:01.560 --> 02:11:04.079
give you an intro song. You got an intro song?

02:11:04.119 --> 02:11:06.880
I can send you one that would... Yes, I've got

02:11:06.880 --> 02:11:09.720
so many. Okay, listen. Yes. Okay, so... That's

02:11:09.720 --> 02:11:11.979
nice. What you heard at the intro, do you want

02:11:11.979 --> 02:11:14.279
it at the beginning or the end? Whichever. I

02:11:14.279 --> 02:11:17.420
can do both. I'll do like 20 seconds at the beginning

02:11:17.420 --> 02:11:19.039
and then the whole song at the end. How's that?

02:11:19.100 --> 02:11:21.579
Perfect. Okay, we'll do that. Shoot it over as

02:11:21.579 --> 02:11:23.600
soon as you have it. And for those of you listening,

02:11:23.779 --> 02:11:26.279
souldecodes .com. You can communicate with me

02:11:26.279 --> 02:11:29.079
and Sarah. We have show notes. And if you want

02:11:29.079 --> 02:11:31.000
a guest on this show, we're in Central Florida.

02:11:31.460 --> 02:11:33.279
If they're willing to drive to the treehouse

02:11:33.279 --> 02:11:35.859
and they have something, some way that something

02:11:35.859 --> 02:11:37.539
they want to speak from their soul, we're going

02:11:37.539 --> 02:11:40.000
to. We'll decode it. We'll decode it for them,

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right? So anyway, thanks, y 'all, for listening.

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And thanks again, Mike. Thank you. Bye -bye.

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