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us as we wander off the path to find the ideas
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life. Hello everybody and welcome. My name is
Dr. Phillips and you're listening to Soul Decodes.
This is episode 62. I'm with Sarah Tirri as
usual, my co -hostess. Hi Sarah. Hi. And we have
a guest I'm going to introduce in just a moment,
but today's airing on October 24th. Let me get
some... No, 23rd. Oh no, it's 24th tomorrow.
Tomorrow's going to be the 24th. Yes, my son's
birthday tomorrow. He's 33, Charlie. Happy birthday.
So before we introduce our guest, I want to get
some administrative stuff done. We're growing,
and the reason is because so many people are
sharing our show with others. This is going to
come as a surprise to you, Sarah. Nothing surprises
me. Nothing surprises you. What do you think
our number one country is that's listening to
our show? Russia. If you said the United States,
you'd be correct. But our second, it even surprised
me, it's Singapore. Lovely. And then the Netherlands.
Those are our top three. United States, Singapore,
Netherlands. Those are our top three. I'm so
happy I've been to all of those places. It's
lovely to have a visual when you mention this
because I've been to a lot of them. So Singapore.
I know, it's crazy. Well, here's some cities
that popped onto our radar. I've never heard
of these. This is... In America. This is it.
Well, it's a couple of them. Three of them are
in America. Colonial Beach, Virginia, which...
I've never heard of it. Well, Virginia Beach
is a beautiful, very spiritual place. So that's
a new city that I just recognized. Kingston,
Ontario, Canada. And then, believe it or not,
Times Square, Manhattan, New York. Times Square.
So hello to all of you new listeners. Thanks
for popping on. And we have a place. You might
know this. It's in England. It's a place called
Kempston. Kempston. Kempston. Kempton. Kempton.
Maybe I spelled it wrong. Kempton Park Racecourse,
I know. Maybe I spelled it wrong. So anyway,
we have a guest in the place here. And this has
really nothing to do with me because Sarah said,
guess what? We're going to have a guest. But
you know what? This is our first ever guest on
Soul Decode. So we're going to see how it goes.
Why don't you tee this up for the listeners?
Who is this person? Well, I don't know. I have
no idea who he is. I just invited him on. Who
is this person? I don't know anything about him,
but we're about to get to know him. Okay, well,
this is my friend Jim Young. And Sarah invited
Jim Young and said, I hope you don't mind, but
I invited this guy that... Was it this event?
Well, because I knew you were quick to laugh
and I knew you had confidence because I can,
you know, so I thought that would be good and
then it just came out and here we are. It's great.
Oh, thank you. I've got some questions to ask
you. Okay. So the soul is soul decodes. But before
we do that, let me hear from Jim and just ask
him who's Jim and Jim, who are you? Have you
taken over? Jim, who are you and why are you
here? no well wait a minute let me frame this
up before we jump into your questions but i think
jim has to know the premise of the show because
that's how i'm going to oh so you're going to
do the premise yes so this is soul decodes right
and so we decode the soul so that means we talk
about everything okay pretty much right because
decoding the soul it's about human experiences
okay so be open to talking about everything if
if i ask you a question you can please Plead
the fifth, if you want. Plead the fifth, yeah.
Here's a British girl talking about pleading
the fifth. But I do have to say, Jim, this is
his second time showing up on our show. Because
he had a cameo. Oh, did you? Chopper Jim. Chopper
Jim. You were not here, but... Remember you were
absent on one of the shows, and I had to do a
going -it -by -myself show? Yes. Well, I left
my phone on, and he accidentally rang in. I'm
like, oh, Jim, I'm in the studio recording. And
you did Chopper Jim. I did Chopper Jim. I was
the traffic. Then she asked me to say something
encouraging to our audience. I had no idea who
the audience was. I'm like, bye, bye, bye, so,
so, so. And she recorded it. I'm like, okay.
I'll put a link. It's actually, I'll put a link
in the show notes back to that. It was hilarious.
But we actually had some people comment on that
as well. That's good. It's so spontaneous too.
It's just funny. Yes, it was so funny. But I
mean, this is a show where we don't script anything.
I did ask. here i said look we're gonna have
a guest first time ever this is new to us we
have we have no idea How this is going to play
out. If it's going to suck or not. But you're
not. But I've known Jim for probably over a year
now. Over a year now, yeah. Do you want to ask
Jim what he's all about? Yes. Well, sure. So
can you, what do you do for a living? Okay. And
that'll be the first question. Okay. Because
that's going to be important. Okay. Yes, and
then we can take it from there. I'm in sales.
And so I've been in sales for over 20 years.
And so I'm currently selling telecommunications,
which is fiber. optics for businesses right so
that's okay so that's not installing fiber optics
it's selling it it's selling it correct i'm the
person who shakes hands and kisses babies and
then i bring you'd be a good politician so so
yeah i bring my it people to the company's it
people and then they talk and then i sell and
so do you have to this is probably a silly question
do you have to know about fiber optics in order
to sell it i mean do you get a lot of technical
questions and any technical questions i get i
hand off to my engineer that's good so it's really
nice yeah and how successful are you at it uh
i've been there two and a half years and i'm
in the top sales positions yes right and 20 years
of sales what did you do prior to that oh my
goodness because you're not 20 you're right i
look like you're a fetus Oh, goodness. My prior
was cybersecurity. I did that for about two years.
What's that? Cybersecurity, it is protection
from bad people on the internet. Right, okay.
So people don't hack your data and sell it and
hold it for ransom. Right, so you keep people's
data safe. Correct. Right. That's interesting.
That's necessary, isn't it? Yeah, and then before
that is senior living sales. So it's helping
seniors. live independently, but then they live
in a community that has skilled nursing, assistant
living, and memory care. And so they don't have
to move. They can actually age. And what was
your involvement with that? I was in sales as
well. So you were selling that to be, I love
that. That would have been rewarding. There's
a place in Claremont where it looks like a beautiful
hotel. Yes. And it's right near the police department
on Hammock Ridge. Yes, Orchard Heights. Yes.
And that's absolutely lovely. And I've been in
there a couple of times. Okay. And I like that.
That's a really nice dignified way of getting
older, isn't it? Yes. It's like a hotel. You've
got rooms. You've got your own apartment, your
own balcony. You can come and go. I could sell
that one because I could see myself there if
I needed to be. Well, the one I was, it was a
cutting edge. It was called, I don't know if
I can say the name. Legacy Point at UCF. And
so it was a community, senior living community
that was right next to the college, UCF. And
so they get to live independently, but they also
to audit classes. So they can actually go back
to school and learn. and keep their mind, you
know, sharp. That is a really cool idea. I really
like that. Yeah, that would have been a good
one. Jim, Sierra's issue is that she needs to
have a senior community that's got like a jet
ski dock. Yes. Do I lie? A helicopter pad would
be nice. I need the helicopter pad. There's some
nice ones on the Gulf Coast. Well, that's cool.
Yeah, so I know Jim from the chamber because
every time there's a chamber event and the place
gets... like there's more light, it's because
he just walked in. That's nice. Yes, I think
you radiate that. No, he can literally walk.
He can run for mayor. I think that's why you
got a guest spot on the podcast. And the first
one, I'm so honored. I know, right? Yeah, don't
be nervous. So you can't do anything wrong because
whatever you say, it's going to be fun. Yeah.
So now... I'd like to start with this question.
My husband cringes every time I ask this, but
what's the worst thing that's ever happened to
you? Oh my goodness. Wow. Yeah. The worst thing,
I guess it would be, I was on a bike. A motorbike.
A bicycle. A bicycle. And I was going really
fast and I was switching from fifth gear to 10th
gear to go even faster. And I wasn't. I was looking
down at the gears instead of looking at the road,
and I hit a huge rock, and I flipped. And this
is at the time where you didn't wear helmets,
but I kept my head up, but I slid for a while
to where my body was on fire, and I was pretty
far away from home, and so I had to... Actually,
luckily, I was about... quarter a mile away from
my grandmother's house so i had to go and knock
on her door did you get back on the bike no i
had to walk it you walked it and then you were
in pain and you got there it's lucky that you
didn't bang your head yes and i was with two
other friends and so they helped me and so that
was probably the worst yeah that sucks and how
long did it take you to recover It was a while
because I had like a lot of like rush burns on
my back and on my hips. I couldn't sleep a certain
way. Were you at the point where it could have
been? I say this because my brother was a mountain
bike rider. He's still got a mountain bike and
he was coming down a big hill and the same thing
happened. But he ended up going right over the
handlebars, falling on his head, being unconscious.
Someone found him and he was airlifted to a hospital.
Then he was stuck in there for three days with
concussion. So that was like a really. And then
he, after that happened, he lost his job for
a year and a half because he had to have certain,
because he's a train driver. So he had to have
certain tests to make sure that he wasn't cognitively
impaired. So yours sounds like a... Yeah, I haven't,
praise God, I haven't been... injured to that
point i mean even i was protected i got um i
was at a red light and it turned green and i
started going and i hear this car coming down
from my right hand side and t -boned me and i
was a nissan armada it hit me so hard that my
truck became airborne oh my god i knew this because
there was a red car next to me and my toe tow
package had red paint from the hood of the car
and so that grounded me from flipping over and
then I ended up hitting another car and it was
like crazy so that was like and then you got
up and walked away and I got up and walked away
yeah all I had was like a stinger on my right
hand side I was I mean because because at that
point I would be like thank you yeah because
you're so spared compared to how fucked up that
really could have been yeah it could have been
so much worse and I was on my way to pick up
my kids so I'm so glad my kids were not Not in
the car. Yes, quite. Because if they were, I
probably would have committed murder and I would
have been in jail. So isn't it funny how horrible
situations can, you can be grateful in that.
Yes, totally grateful. So it's an interesting
concept that is it something shitty happens and
then you say, oh, thank you. Yeah, thank you.
Right. Yeah. Well, that's the way I'm seeing
how like through like life is what like you go
through several storms. And then those storms
are there to actually help strengthen you. And
you're like, oh, what am I learning through this
storm? Such a great question to ask, isn't it?
Yeah, it's the number one question to ask. What
am I learning? What is this to teach me? I love
it. I haven't had any bad car crashes or anything.
Little tiny. I reversed out of the post office
in town. And this lady actually drove into me
because she didn't realize I was in there. But
because I was in reverse, I was the one that
got the ticket. Because you're automatically...
which really, really sucked. But that's the nearest
thing I've come. Have you, sweetheart, have you
had a crash that you got out and you thought,
oh, thank you for keeping me alive? Almost every
day of my life I have a crash and I'm grateful
that I'm still alive. But yeah, I mean, my crashes
are not actual. They're more metaphoric. They're
more circumstantial. A lot of the crashes I have
are internal to myself. And just trying to navigate
my own way out of my own thought forms. Yes,
exactly. But the fact that you know they're internal,
that's a real superpower. Because now you're
the watcher of that. So you can actually take
care of that. I think that comes with maturity.
It's just like, how is it that I came to believe
this way? How do I work my way out of this thought
form? Because you talk about this all the time.
The only time I've been in a wreck, I've had
numerous bicycle wrecks. I mean, I can't even
believe I'm still. believe I'm still alive. When
we were kids, we were maniacs. Bikes, we'd jump
things. And that guy, Evel Knievel. Everybody
wanted to be Evel Knievel. We built dirt ramps.
We wanted to see how far we could jump our bikes.
two by fours in which climb you drive up it and
what a poor influence it was evil yeah is that
the adrenaline rush that you're going for no
it's just no no it's just that you don't have
a prefrontal cortex yeah you don't even you're
just an idiot on wheels and you know you're doing
like six and eight years old and we were trying
to see how and we were putting lines in the dirt
on how far we could jump and i went so fast that
i forgot to pull back on the hand flipped forward
and landed on my chest, knocked the wind out
of me. My brother and I broke so many bikes because
we would ramp. We would put like cinder blocks
with like a ramp. We'd just jump it and then
we'd land on the forks and just break the bike.
And then we would put bikes together. It was
like, oh, that one's broken. That one's broken.
And we would take them apart and put them. Build
a bike. These Franken bikes. That's awesome.
But I did have, up in Michigan, I had a... I
took an exit and it was right after it rained
and I was stopping it. You know, you exit and
then you're at the stop sign at the exit, like
off the freeway, right? And I looked in my mirror
and I had my kids in the car and they were in
the back seat and my ex -spouse was in the spouse
seat. And I looked in the rearview mirror and
this guy was barreling down and he rear -ended
us. Thankfully, I was in like a, I think it was
like an 82 Mercedes. It was like... Big, heavy
car. So the whole back of the car got crumpled.
But the way it's designed is the energy goes
up the doors instead of into the cum, into where
the passengers are. Oh, nice. So the energy was
diffused up the sides. So the doors didn't open
in the back, but the back seat was completely
intact. The kids were shaking up. Oh, I can imagine.
But the capsule itself was completely intact.
Well, thank God you were in a Mercedes. Oh, yeah.
That was the first of three or four Mercedes
I got because I was like, I never... This keeps
me safe. After that, I was like, yeah, I'm not...
To me, I'm big on heavy metal. And the guy that
hit me, he was just an old guy, and he just lost
track of where he was in space and time. I bet
he felt so awful, that must be it. He had one
of those old white vans that the painters use
with no windows, and his front end was completely
gone. His front end was in my trunk, the engine
and everything. But same thing as Jim said, you
just walk out with gratitude. Could have been
so much worse, couldn't it? Yeah, so go ahead.
Okay, so we talk about the mind and we talk about
spirituality. We talk about God. Do you have
a belief system? I do. And can you tell me a
bit about, tell us a bit about that? The history?
All right. Well, I grew up in a... divided household
divided um in what way in like in faith like
well like lutheran my dad's lutheran my mom was
catholic so we were raised catholic and then
i came down to florida in 1995 and i was just
searching and so visited a couple churches and
found one that was called the um orlando church
of christ but it was affiliated with the international
churches of christ and so that's where he actually
someone actually sat down with me studied the
bible and find out for myself who really god
is and actually develop a personal relationship
with jesus and then i got baptized february 1st
1998 and then just been reading my bible and
praying every day from that point on visiting
a couple churches you know still I was in that
one church for about 10 years, and then been
to Real Life, Lakeside, and Living Message, and
now I'm actually checking out Southlake Church
of Christ right now. And what do you look for
in a church? I look for Bible -based. They teach
from the Bible, no man -made doctrine. you know
into it um because you see a lot of that so you
mean man -made doctrine in the interpretation
of it yes and and also certain rules too um like
there's certain churches out there that they
do a little like some wonky stuff like what like
like you hear stuff like talk you know like touching
snakes and stuff like that okay yes human sacrifice
Yeah, those churches are a bit wonky. Those are
a bit wonky, you know. So, and I'm finding that
I don't really like churches that, like, scream
at you, you know. Right. You know, it's like,
come on, because I guess. You mean the style
of preaching? Yes, yes. Teach me, don't yell
at me. Yes, yes. So I'm there to learn and also
to give back as well, so. That's really, really
nice. So I watch a lot of Christian preaching,
but I don't believe that the Bible is necessarily
the word of God. I believe there are aspects
of the Bible which are the word of God, but not
everything. There's certain things that I can't
imagine God doing. So I wrote a book called Is
This the Best God Could Do? And I challenged
God. But not the existence of God. I absolutely
believe in the existence of God. And I'm a believer.
And I know that there's a beautiful plan. And
I know that everyone, and I say I know, I believe,
that everyone is saved. And that there's no one's
going to slip through the net. So my faith couldn't
be of Christian faith. Yet I believe in the morality
of Christianity. I'm traditional. I believe in
family. I believe in doing the right thing. So
I call myself sometimes a partial Christian,
but I just don't believe the full, the idea that
God is separate necessarily. So I'm more of a
pantheist rather than a monotheist. God is separate?
What do you mean? So in the Bible, God is separate.
up in heaven we don't really know what heaven
is but he's up there and he created mankind and
here we are and a pantheist is more that god
is everything that god is now you would probably
believe that as a christian you believe the holy
spirit right so you're already seeing that the
holy spirit's in you and i believe that the holy
spirit is in all of us but it doesn't matter
what you believe that he is going to be when
i say he i don't mean that whatever that energy
is is in us So I think, and Tia Jolie, you can
step in here. So Tia and I, we talk about the
concept of reincarnation. Has that been anything
that you've considered? I've always thought about
it and you hear about it, but I don't believe
in it. So it is a neat idea, but from what I've
learned and what I've researched. Now, because
I have different views. So my friend, well, she
was a housekeeper for a long time. And now she's
83 now. And she believes that she was put in
my life because I needed saving. Right. I don't
believe I need saving from anything. And I don't
believe she does. But she believes that I do.
And she loves me. And I talked to her last night.
But she actually thinks that me and my family
are going to hell for not believing what she
believes. Are you that far in to... where you
would think that? Every person has their own
path. And I guess really the bottom line is you
got to understand if you, because the word of
God is the word of God. And so you may disagree
with that. And you're saying the Bible is the
word. The Bible. And there's no other religious
thought or tradition which is the word. It's
just the Bible. Is that what? Correct. And the
Bible says it too. It says all scripture is God
breathed. So it was written by 60 different men,
but they were led by the Holy Spirit. And so
it's been. And many people try to disprove the
Bible, and it hasn't been done. But the whole
thing about the Bible, the Bible is a living
book. It's not a history book. If you read it
in a way that you're trying to understand who
God is and who Jesus is, it's amazing because
it judges the thoughts and attitudes of your
heart. So if you go in with the heart to disprove
God, you're going to disprove God. you know it's
so it's it's if you would be able to you'd be
able to exactly yeah exactly so so but if you
go with the faith like oh this god i know because
it says in john this is you know um in the beginning
was the word and word was was got was with god
and the word is god so that's where like oh the
word is god you know jesus is the word and so
it is really your your faith you know and i can't
convince anyone Of that. So they have to have
that. But if they don't have your faith and believe
in the same things, what do you think God's plan
for them is? It's up to God. It's not for me
to question God's plan. No, I'm not asking you.
But would you say that the world needs to believe
this way in order to avoid going to hell? Well,
I can only go with what God says, because God
says the only way to him is through his son,
Jesus Christ. And what if you don't get to him
through Jesus Christ? Then you're screwed. Yeah,
see, that is where I just, yeah. You're like,
you believe this, otherwise God's going to make
you, put you in a fiery furnace for eternity.
What loving God would do that? Well, he gave
us free will. He gave us a choice to choose him
or not to choose him. Well, he's not at the end
of the day because if he gave us free will to
choose him or not choose him, he's going to punish
us for not choosing because there's nothing free
about having that will. Do you believe in the
devil? I believe we've talked about this. I believe
in darkness because light and darkness have to
go together, the same up and down, in and out.
So I believe we live in a world of duality. So
I believe that God gave us free will to make
choices in a world of duality. But I don't believe
he wills darkness, but I do believe he permitted
it. But it's of his creation. It's not because
there's a fallen angel and there's an adversarial
being out there who's fighting God. God is in
control of everything he's created. So I had
this very interesting thing. This is a little
bit tangential to this conversation, but I think
it'll kind of expand this out a little bit beyond
the current conversation. I was at a... a gathering
yesterday. Wednesday mornings, we do these things
called Million Cops. And it's for entrepreneurs.
I've talked to you about it. But the question
came up about AI. So instead of talking about...
maybe God or good or bad or whatever. But I want
to get into a little bit about the real world
applications because beliefs are beliefs. People
can have divergent beliefs one way or the other.
The only belief I really have is that I'm a student
and I'm learning. What I know today is going
to be very different tomorrow. Well, I think
we all are on the same page about there being
God, that God is good, and that we're going to
align ourselves around that concept. So we do
have things in common, you know, so that's important.
So I wanted to share this with you because it
was an amazing insight. But the presenter yesterday
was a former military. You know, we connected
on that regard. But there was a very, like, tenseness
in the room because there was this section of
the room. There was divided towards AI being
a good and benevolent thing. This is a good thing
for humanity. And there's all this rah -rah cheerleaders
for AI. And then there was this other side that
said pretty much AI is the devil and AI is hateful.
Well, it could be, though. But people were getting
emotionally charged over this whole AI thing.
And I would like to get your opinions on that.
Whether there's a devil or not, you could...
Well, it's an important question because the
devil exists because of God or in spite of God.
But I believe that God created the light and
the dark, in and out and opposites, up and down,
hot and cold, courage, cowardice, so we can experience
our free will. So I do believe that darkness
exists and we have to navigate that. But I don't
believe... darkness exists because god wasn't
in control of everything he created well and
you know you and i have talked similar things
in the past and like my idea is that you know
um i believe everything's a gift and i believe
that even darkness and we talked to this when
i was talking about ptsd just because i don't
understand something doesn't mean it's not to
my benefit and so within the construct of like
i have five people similar to you who have said
that i'm possessed with demons and all this stuff
i'm like i'm really not i'm really not i promise
you i'm i'm good you know i haven't detected
one but but you know the idea of being possessed
with demons and all this is if it's some sort
of an infection or something i think how do you
how do you really do that i mean Is there like
some medical protocol you can test me for demons
or something? Or is this something that maybe
I'm experiencing or going through this phase
of life? You know, when you look at the ocean,
there's troughs and everything's got seasons
and everything, you know, and we read that. The
Wheel of Fortune in the tarot deck says that
and it just keeps going round and there's ups
and there's downs and it's perpetual. It just
keeps going round. But, you know, you could look
at a snapshot of anybody's life because any one
of us did. At some point did something dirtbag.
Oh, for sure. I did dirtbag things like threw
a rock and broke a glass. It's like I blame my
brother. I'm like, you know, we all do dirtbag
things. I put cling film on my teacher's toilet
seat. You know, the sarin wrap. She just peed
everywhere. Oh, my goodness. That's so awful.
That's awful. So we all do dirtbag things. I
was only like eight. If you took a snapshot.
I'll do it in the next show. If you take a snapshot
of any one of us, it doesn't mean that we're
intrinsically bad people. It means we did something.
Yeah, we made a shitty choice. And it doesn't
mean that I'm possessed by devils or demons.
It means I was... I was trying to have fun. You
were seduced by the wrong choice, I think. I
mean, what's the wrong choice? If I get joy and
happiness... Well, putting Saran Wrap on my teacher's
toilet seat was not... Did it make you laugh?
It made me laugh and ultimately it made her laugh.
So we're all good. Okay, so it's a good thing
then. No, it wasn't because she got pee all down
her... It was just absolutely awful. But it made
you both laugh and laughter is important. Okay,
all right. Well, that's a word for me. I won't
repent anymore. Twist on happiness. Well, so
anyway, so I bring this up only because, you
know, the room was, it was palpable. Like you
could cut the room because the one guy stood
up and he's like. AI literally is like of the
devil. And then he takes the mic and walked down
the center of the hallway. Were you there? I
was there. You were there yesterday. I was there.
That's right, you were there. Did he make any
lucid points as to why it was so dramatic? Well,
his point was it's taken away from the human
connection. You know, it was like AI is replacing
the human connection. And his response was...
I mean, it's an interesting point. It was a good
point. I think it was a good point, but it was
really dramatic. It was very dramatic, yeah.
Well, it sounds like he's... he's got some fear
in him right oh he's a performer but i think
that everybody that does something like that
but ai it has but it has both good and bad so
does the internet it's what we do well it's like
me telling you is my cell phone bad is my cell
which depends what you're using if it takes up
most of your time yes but yeah i mean if it consumes
you consumes you yeah is my car bad no Is my
hammer bad? Is anything inherently bad? Depends
how you use the hammer. If I hammer, if I club,
is my baseball bad? And are you on the cell phone
when you're hitting someone with a hammer? Well,
if I clobber my brother with a baseball bat,
that's a bad thing. But if I hit a home run,
it's a good thing, right? So it's just neutral.
The phone is neutral. The hammer's neutral. So,
you know, these are questions about intent. I
could be a good person, but if I have bad intent,
but it's transient, is that a bad thing? The
whole idea of judging somebody based on a behavior...
Well, I think the judgment happens because...
I don't know whether you believe that I need
salvation. I think we were all saved. We were
never in any danger of not being saved. So if
you believe, we can talk about that, but if we
believe that salvation is necessary and you believe
that God sees things in a certain way, you are
going to be apt to judge because that person's
soul, the salvation of their soul, rests on you
doing that. And of course, in the Bible, you're
asked to spread the word and convert people,
right? So I think the question... of salvation
i don't i think we're all saved how how has everyone
all saved them just because god loves us and
he doesn't have any favorites and there's no
belief system that's going to win god over we're
here to learn and evolve and grow but where did
you learn that This is through a process of intellectual
reasoning and a high degree of faith. I have
faith in a God of magnificence, not some mediocre
God that's going to save some and send others
to hell for eternity. I burnt my finger on my
stove this morning and I couldn't imagine what
hell would feel like. I just don't believe that
God would send me to hell for not believing a
certain doctrine. There's actually a book out
there that really... woke me up it was called
23 minutes in hell and where the guy actually
went to hell for 23 minutes and he still goes
around the whole world sharing his experience
and was it the conventional type of hell like
the the one fire and devils and heat and it was
more descriptive um it was the darkness because
hell was never designed for people it was designed
for demons it was divine for angels that went
against god And so God's design was for man to
be good. But unfortunately, Adam and Eve broke
it. And now we're a perversion of what he originally
intended. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So hell
in this book, was it dark and hot and scary?
It was dark, hot, smelly, where the Bible says
like punishment, like several blows. There were
several blows. So you're just permanently getting
beaten up. By other demons, yeah. And that goes
on forever and ever. Yeah, you either have a
zip code in heaven or a zip code in Florida.
And eternity is such an old time. It's like Down
River, Detroit to me. So, yeah, so our soul is
eternal. It all depends on where it's going to
go. And so because sin entered into the world,
God has now made a design for this salvation.
So you see sin entering into the world. by Eve
being disobedient. I think sin is in the world
because God gave us free will to choose, and
we have the opposites in which to choose from.
So you're saying we're here by default of something
going wrong, and I think that we're here to learn
in the forces of good and evil. But not evil,
not evil in the world. I would say both because
God wants us to seek him. Continuously, because
we're called to be... Well, we do that when we
align with the Holy Spirit, don't we? That's
when the Holy Spirit is... Well, you can do it...
I mean, the Holy Spirit guides you, I think.
I think people... God guides you, because God
is everywhere. But God is the Holy Spirit. That's
the comforter that Jesus left behind, right?
Correct. Exactly, exactly. So, and Jesus gave
the... or God gave the format on how to be saved.
And if you read... You've got to read the Bible.
You've got to believe it's the word of God. Well,
you've got to believe that you need saving even
to get to that part. And that's where I don't
believe I need saving from anything. I thought
the same thing because I grew up Catholic. But
then you read this book and it scared the shit
out of you. You don't want to go to hell. That
was after I was saved, though. Oh, was it? Not
because of that. Because I was going to say that
would just be very... No, no. You should never
be... Well, here's my story. So I thought I was
saved as a baby, you know, because Catholics,
they sprinkle. And I may offend people who are
Catholic, and I apologize. My dad was a Catholic.
Actually, I was born Catholic. So I'm a recovering
Catholic. So I'm so sorry. But I go by the word
of God, and that's what I stand on. He's the
rock. You know, Jesus is the rock. So where was
I going with this? So I thought I was saved.
So I'm going to this church back in 1998 and
going, oh, yeah, I'm saved. But it wasn't until
I was reading the word where it convicted me
to the point where like, oh, my gosh, I'm not
saved. Like, what do I need to do to be saved?
And it's very similar to where the church was
created in the book of Acts, where Peter gets
up and he's filled with the Holy Spirit. And
he's saying, you know, this Jesus that you crucified
is the Son of God. And everyone was there, was
convicted to the heart. to the soul going oh
my they're broken going oh my gosh what do we
need we need to do how do you know we didn't
know we we crucify the christ well you need to
repent to change and be baptized for the forgiveness
of their sins and you receive the gift of the
holy spirit so then 3 000 people were saved that
day and that's actually the start of the of the
church of the following of jesus and they call
them disciples of christ so that's used so loosely
but a disciple is a student So if you're a student
of Christ, you're always learning. I feel like
I'm a student, not of Christ necessarily, but
of God, that we're all students. We're all students
and teachers, I think, in a way. So I do see
that. So if you keep on studying and going deeper
into God's word and seeing, oh, well, Jesus is
the way, because he says no one else can go to
God except through him. So is he lying? So then,
well, then God's a liar. There's no need to believe
it. I think because you've said this is God's
word and you're believing it to be true, you
have no choice but to arrive at your opinion.
I think that there is partial truth in the Bible.
I think there's partial truth in a lot of world
religions. I think God's word is coming at us
from a lot of different spaces. Yeah, you know
what? It's interesting. Our perspectives of God
can be, you know, here's one God, but we see
from different angles the same almighty, powerful
force. It's interesting because I was talking
to Robin about whether or not God had a sense
of humor. And what is, what constitutes, like
if you've looked in any of the creatures in the
ocean, God's got a sense of humor, right? Platypus.
So I wanted to just find out because, you know,
I was telling Robin this morning, it's like,
I wake up with these crazy ideas. And I was trying
to, because we've talked a lot about AI and what
it is and what it's not. And I realized, you
know, AI is actually, it's dumb and stupid. Because
I can say something really, just a quip. I can
do satire. I can do some nuanced little word
selections or choices. I can even make a funny
face or something. And you all will laugh, but
AI would not even get it. And if I asked AI to
duplicate that or replicate that, it wouldn't
be able to do it. So my question is, to what
degree? Well, first of all, we're talking about
the Jesus figure, right? The man. There's the
God, but there's the man. He laughed, he cried,
he got pissed off. I mean, he's just a real deal.
So my question is, do you think that Jesus had
a sense of humor? And how would he have deployed
it? Did he stick? Do you think that he made the
disciples spray milk out their mouth or out their
nose? Oh, my. You never know. Because if you
read the book of John, and if you go in with
the context, the mindset, I should say, of let's
me look at the character of Jesus, you'll see
the humor. Because John reads like a movie. It's
fast -paced. You get the four Gospels, Matthew,
Mark. John. Luke and John. Luke and John, yeah.
So John, I think, is the most vibrant. Well,
Luke was a doctor, so it's the most detailed.
But I say John because you can really see Jesus'
character where, like, for example, he's talking
as I was like, you know, first you got to take
the plank out of your own eye before you take
the speck. out of somebody else's i mean that's
funny it's funny that is hysterical poignant
it is funny though i never really thought that
it is funny like who says that you know dude
you gotta take the building you know you know
the plank out of your own eye before you can
oh plus the other thing was was where he knew
exactly where the boulders were and he was walking
on the water and then the other guys tried it
and they fell in no i just you know exactly where
to stop that's no trick well but that would be
Well, that story, too, when he was sleeping on
the boat, you know, Jesus got tired because he
was sleeping on the boat and the waves were coming.
And then all of a sudden, like, oh, we're going
to die. Jesus, wake up. And he's like, and he's
like, and he goes, how long must I deal with
you? You know, like, oh, my gosh. Like, really?
Like, don't you know I'm the son of God? I can.
And then he made the winds and the storm stopped.
And they're like. who is this guy who just made
the snores? So Jesus really had a sense of humor.
He would have had to have done that. He was so
funny. But one of the things would be like...
A bit moody. Sometimes you feel like he's in
a bad mood when he's speaking, and other times
he's funnier, and other times he's softer. So
he definitely had a well -rounded personality.
Yes, exactly. Like if he was talking to the Pharisees,
he was stern and like, you brood of oop. I mean,
I don't believe in the concept that we need saving
from anything. So I don't see Jesus as my savior.
And to me, it was this person that has captivated
us over 2000 years. And this entire book is written,
not entire, but in the new, it's written around
him. And he did, I mean, the golden rule, do
unto others. So there's a lot in the Bible and
Jesus specifically, I think, and I've said this
to Tia Jolie, for me, he would be someone that
you'd want to role model, not necessarily believe
that he's dying. for your sins and all that because
I can tell you what my perspective is on that.
But just try and role model him and love everyone.
Don't damn everyone. Don't be a hypocrite. Give
charitably. Be loving. Be kind. I mean, he's
a great role model. Correct. I think one of the
most humorous aspects when you look at the historical
aspect of Jesus would be how he answers questions
with questions. I love it. It's his Socratic
method. It's Socratic method, but answering questions
with questions, I think it's hilarious because
you're just taking the burden of proof. You're
taking the whole thing and putting it back on
them. And I think that's, I think it's genius.
And then hopefully they'll have another question
and this will just go back. I think it's genius,
yeah. It's just going to build, isn't it? So
what, do you think God had a sense of humor?
Either way. I think God endowed. me with a sense
of humor well okay and everyone else i think
but a lot of people are very serious about life
aren't they you were quick to laugh that's why
i liked you i could just tell that you were quick
to laugh so but other people they might take
life very very seriously and for some people
there's not a lot to laugh about is there well
i look at it this way you know if we believe
if we believe that we're Made in the image and
likeness of an almighty creator, God. And we
have this sense of humor that seems to be pretty
pervasive. A lot of people in the world in different
cultures. Like to laugh. They like to laugh.
They like to dance. They like to celebrate. It's
the levity that we need. It's the levity. We
have that in common. This is what makes me believe.
It's like, okay, well, God probably had a pretty
good sense of humor. Virtually all of creation,
except for there's some dirt. dirtbag fringe
people that do the human sacrifice things. Those
dirtbags, maybe that's their idea of funny or
something. I don't know. But for normal average
people like us, we believe there's an almighty
powerful creator. Humor is central to what we
do. I think it's imperative. Jim's going to be
dancing tomorrow. Dancing, he's competing? November
8th. Oh, it's not tomorrow. It's next week. November
8th, yeah. But the whole idea of singing and
dancing and celebrating, that is really central
to who we are as humans. And that's a big difference
between us and synthetic so -called intelligence.
We have requirements to exist. They don't. I
think we have this innate, what makes us truly
intelligent is our ability to celebrate life.
celebrate each other, our successes, even to
acknowledge when you're going through a trough,
just to relate to that. That's something AI can't
do, the humanity part of it. Did you make this
point when you were at this gathering yesterday,
when this guy was leaping up and down? Did you
say all this? No, I think Jim knows. That's a
really good point. Jim knows I almost always
go last. And I do so because I like to let everyone
else speak their piece. That's the air conditioner.
Which shouldn't have popped on. So y 'all keep
doing what you're doing. I'm going to go shut
that off. Well, the way it was handled by the
speaker was brilliant because he was basically
saying, okay, I see what you're saying about
the, you know, you think that AI is going to
take away from human. However, AI, well, he's
like, how many people do administrative work?
And how long does that take you? One, three hours?
Well, what if AI did that in 30 minutes? Now
you'll have more time to be interactive. So you
got to put it to good use. It was a great point.
So I'm like, yeah, it all depends on how you
want to use it. Like we were talking about a
hammer. It's great. Or a bat. It's great. But
how are you going to use it? Yes, exactly. I
think the... It's not even troubling to me, but
AI is going to restructure everything, in my
opinion, where it's going to take over all our
jobs. But that's been happening for a couple
of hundred years. I mean, farm equipment took
away from our jobs. It's just been a slow bleed
to this point. So it will do everything. And
then we're going to have a bunch of human beings
on the planet where we're going to have to care
for them because... Getting money through working
is going to be obsolete because we're going to
build machines to do it. So then what do human
beings get to do with all this free time? We
get to fly airplanes. We get to have fun. We
get to sing and dance and share and grow things.
And pursue your creative abilities. And so you're
not going to be hustling for a living. A lot
of people are doing a 40 -hour work week because
they have to pay their rent and put food on the
table. That's going to be beautiful when that's
taken care of. of now it could really screw a
lot of people up because they're not going to
have any purpose but you have to give yourself
purpose so i think ai is generally good but i
think there's going to be a massive revolution
because it is going to do everything for us i
have a robot that cleans all i have two robots
it's sandy and sonia sonia is the mop and sandy
is the one that does the sweeping they tried
to mate the other day which they got in each
other's docks So I have robots to clean my house.
There's going to be a robot soon to undo my dishwasher.
I've already designed it in my head. It will
just be putting everything away. And it is going
to get to that really, really quickly. And then
what do we do? So I see that as a potential gift
just to release a lot of people from doing horrible
work weeks and hours that they don't want to
do. I think that's kind of the balance. I would
say that's the balance that we met because some
people stood up and said, look. We're never going
to not have humanity. The purpose of the AI should
be to help us be more human. That's what I said.
That's exactly what I said. We should be more
human. So, Jim, when we first met, but later
on we've known each other for a while, I found
out you're a singer. Yes. You want to sing? I
just joined a Lake County choir. Okay, so now
you're in the choir and you dance and you're
always laughing. You should do stand -up. You're
so funny. What do you sing? Baritone. Do you
do anything like immediately like this? Can you
give me five seconds acapella? Five seconds acapella?
Not acapella. How do you say it? Acapella. Acapella.
Oh, goodness. Way to put our guy on. I know,
I know. I can sing. I actually auditioned for
a worship group. Did they ask you to sing? They
asked me to sing and I sang. Billy Joel. No,
no. Amazing Grace. Yes. Amazing Grace. That's
what it was. Right on. Hit the nail right on
the head. Well, I mean, I love Amazing Grace.
I don't want to put him on the spot, but if he
wants to. I can sing like the first verse. Just
do it. Let's do it. We're going to be really
quiet. Do you want some water? This is cool.
Okay. Amazing grace, how sweet the sound that
saved a wretch. And then, like me. I actually
had a good one. Like me. Oh, that's good. I once
was lost, but now am found. Was blind, but now
I see. That's lovely. Jim Young, everybody. Yeah,
that's really, really cool. That's great. I have
a terrible voice. But I would have loved to have
had a... I'd like to have had a... A good voice
just to sing. I'd love to have had a gift for
languages. That would be a big one. And dancing.
And I can't do that. If I have some champagne,
you might see me on the dance floor. But other
than that, I've got no rhythm at all. So Jim,
in addition to that, tell us about the dancing.
You've been going through this course and taking
lessons. Tell us, what is that all about? What's
the purpose of what you're doing? The purpose
of what I'm doing, it's for... An organization
called New Beginnings. And they are a not -for
-profit. And they help families who are homeless.
And they shelter them. Do they have their thrift
store on Mohawk Road? Oh, yes. Yeah, Mohawk and
Citrus Power? Yes. Yeah, that is amazing. And
at one point, I was homeless. Oh, really? With
my daughter, who was... 12 now we were actually
she was three at the time and so we're how long
oh did you we live in a hotel and then we lived
with friends and family so we weren't like under
a bridge or in a car we did have but you didn't
have we had a friend who was so nice and let
us stay in her daughter's room for a couple weeks
and then my aunt opened her house as well so
we had some places to go but at the same time
we were homeless and it was wild because the
way it Well, I'm going to go for it. This is
good because I mean, this is about people learning
about Jim. We know you as this bright, shiny,
laughing, humorous, delightful person. But but
this is the other side. Yeah. So because you've
been. near to that very freaky existence new
beginnings for you is something close to you
where i where i can give back yeah and you can
relate as well yeah and so we went um this is
like the third year third or fourth year they
had this gala and it's a dancing under the stars
and so it's it's a fundraising event and so my
wife and i were actually invited last year to
attend it and we were at risk you know, watching
it and it was amazing. And so I'm like, you know
what? I could do that. And then somehow that
got around and I heard you want to dance. I'm
like, what? Seems to happen to you quite a bit.
Now you're on a podcast. How did that happen?
Now I'm dancing. And, um, it's the first time
I'm actually dancing professionally. Like my
daughters went through dance school and stuff
like that. And so, um, it's, it's, it's learning,
you know, you get. assigned a professional dancer
so you took like the two -step here and doing
like ballroom kind of i'm going to do it like
a slash ballroom slash disco um slash um moonwalking
kind of thing. Are you going to do the worm?
I was trying to incorporate that, but I'm not
sure I can. That would be cool. You'd need a
couple of glasses of champagne for that. It's
been a while. I used to do that when I was 21.
So the idea is that you and other local people
are raising funds to help support the homeless
got it so it's that's that's the bottom line
and and but but what i find fascinating is he's
actually going he's getting perfect like you're
paired up with a professional dancer yes and
doing when you've got a lot of people watching
you you've got to be an entertainer to someone
yes you're gonna have to block that out and just
focus on my dance partner and everyone else in
the audience is wearing underwear you know good
for you though that's so sweet but it's cool
because You know, it's encouraging those of my
kids, too. So, you know, I think my kids won't
be able to attend a videotape because it is $120
per ticket. But I'm going singing at the Lake
County Choir. And because my daughter is in seventh
grade and she's a singer in her middle school.
And so she came with me and now she loves it.
And we're going to perform, hopefully, in front
of a city hall when they do the Christmas lights.
Will you get nervous? I couldn't do that. Public
speaking and performing, I couldn't do. Just
like sports, you get nervous. Anything, you get
nervous, but you overcome it. Once you start,
it's just like being in sports. Just like tonight.
Get in front of this microphone and be like,
ooh, a little nervous, but hey, let's start talking.
You're with two friends. Publicly speaking, I
ran a writing contest and I ended up at a school,
it was about a year ago, and there were about
400 people watching, which I didn't know. I thought
it was going to be a small classroom. And I absolutely
terrified, but irrationally. But I did get over
it. I mean, once I was standing there and I was
speaking, I think you're just focusing then,
aren't you? You just have to focus and then that
just goes because your attention is not on the
fear. But you're doing this. So dancing, it's
a skill set that you can just get better and
better at because I was watching the evening
news last night and... No, it was an entertainment
program, and they were showing the people on
Dancing with the Stars. Yeah. Do you ever watch
that? Yes, it's amazing. I mean, that caliber
of dance. I mean, you're not even dancing. You're
an athlete at that point. I mean, it blows my
mind how good you can get at that. Well, it's
like any... It's really any physical activity.
I mean, you can be the best farmer. You can be
the best, you know, any sport, basketball player,
track runner. Are you competitive? I'm very competitive.
With yourself or with others? Against myself
and others. Because in sales, you always want
to be number one in sales. I also run a 5K at
the, it's called Park Run on Saturday mornings
here in Claremont. And it's all. international
we have people from england and australia and
people visiting whoever's visiting they come
and run at 7 30 in the morning if i was on vacation
i would not be running but you run but you run
against yourself because they actually keep track
of your time for you so every week The more you
go, the more you'll see. And have you been improving
on your time? I've been improving. Oh, that's
good. I went from a 46 -minute 3 -mile, 3 .1
-mile, to now I did my best time just last week.
Well, best for this year was 34 minutes and 30
seconds. My best is 34 minutes and 1 second.
I'm trying to beat 30 minutes, and that's a 10
-minute mile. Whoa, you're going to be really
going fast. Do you want to know my best time?
I'm afraid to ask. Hour and a half. Just hanging
out at the beach. That's it. Your best time.
That's my best time. I'm just telling you. That's
like, where are you from? I'm from planet Earth.
Yeah. I'm in an earth world. So, Sarah, you had,
you had, I had, one of the reasons that I, you
apologized, just like, I invited somebody to
our show and I'm like, you did what? And then
I found out it was Jim. No, you didn't respond.
And I was okay with it. Well, I didn't say anything.
You did what? Well, that was what I was thinking.
I didn't say anything. Oh, did you? I was like,
what? And then you said it was Jim. And I'm like,
oh, that's okay then. But one of the things we
appreciated was Jim's levity and his laughter.
And he's just such a lighthearted person. But
you said you had some cool questions. So I have
an AI assistant and he's called Desmond. And
I created Desmond because Tia Jolie was telling
me about Rosie. So Rosie is Tia Jolie's AI assistant.
So I told Desmond last night that you were coming
on the podcast and that this is Soul Decodes.
I hadn't introduced him to the show. And that
to ask questions with relating to being a human
being on planet Earth, having a soul, which we
disagree on some things, but we agree that we
have. a spirit or a soul so that's going to be
the framework of these okay okay so you don't
have if you don't want to answer or if you can't
think of anything you can jump i mean i'll fill
in i'll fill in we'll tag team this right okay
yeah if you have to tap out now i think what
would make it fun there's 40 questions so you
can actually 40 so you can choose a number and
i'm going to do that let's make all the random
that's good randomness yeah No, not going to
be random. You choose a number. One and 40. One
and 40. 40? No. I'm just repeating you. Oh, okay.
I'll say seven. Seven. Okay. Question number
seven. So Desmond asks, have you ever had an
argument so stupid it made you doubt free will?
That's so random. That is so random. I don't
know whether I've doubted free will, but I have
had a really stupid argument. I've had several
stupid arguments, but never to the point where
it makes me doubt free will. It makes me doubt
the intelligence of that person. Or even yourself
engaging in the argument. Yes. I think the most
stupidest arguments I have is when I'm arguing
about the wrong thing because I'm not being honest
with what's really troubling me. So that would
be a stupid argument. Yes. You're just shooting
from the hip. Yeah. Or you have the need to put
your hip out of place. You're just shooting off
the top of your head without having all the facts.
Yes, exactly. Having all the facts or having
considered it. Yes. So when Robin and I first
met, we were both. Coming out of like bad relationships,
like she was married to an alcoholic and I had
somebody that was different. And we both were
learning to use our voice and learning to stand
our ground and draw boundaries. Right. So while
we're just just learning about each other, this
song came on and it was. Under Pressure? Oh,
yes. David Bowie and Queen. David Bowie and Queen.
David Bowie. So I said to Robin, I said, I love
this song by Queen. And she's like, that was
David Bowie. And I'm like, no, it wasn't. It
was Queen. And she's like, no, it was day of
both. So we added this little scat and it turns
out we were both right. But there's a lesson
there because I was like, this is a stupid argument.
Yeah. And to me, a stupid argument, there's nothing
of consequence is going to be gained if one person's
right or wrong. That's a stupid argument. So
here's a question for you being from England.
Oh, go ahead. Well, I'll talk about stupid arguments.
This couple was having a stupid argument about
the pronunciation of Kissimmee. Oh, Kissimmee.
Kissimmee, Kissimmee, Kissimmee, Kissimmee. So
they pulled over at lunchtime and went into this
restaurant. Oh, my God. We've been arguing for
the past 30 minutes. where are we and how do
you say it? And the person behind the counter
goes, Burger King. So Rob and I were driving
through. Is that a real story or a joke? Oh,
that's funny. We're driving through. That is
a stupid offer. We're driving through Georgia.
I was so bored. I'm like 30 minutes and they
pulled over. I mean, I was really immersed. That's
Jim Young for you. A Jim Young class that pulled
you over. So we're driving through Georgia and
they have those big signs that show that they
grow these certain types of nuts in Georgia,
right? They have all these pies that they make
from these certain nuts. It's spelled P -E -C
-A -N. So we're saying, is it pecan or pecan?
Pecan. Or pecan, right? How do you pronounce
it? So we literally pulled over. They had those
big billboards. And we pulled over to the girl
that's at the stand and said, how do you pronounce
that word? And she said, pecan, pecan. Yeah.
Wow. That didn't help. You want one. You want
the first one. The first answer is the only right.
Well, then I win. The first answer. So, okay.
So that was a useless question. Okay. So that
was good. Pick a better number, Jim. So one to
40. You can't, you can't ask seven again. Don't
try that. Please don't do seven. 24. 24. That's
my son's birthday tomorrow. I've already given
him a shout out at the beginning. Happy birthday,
son. Okay. Which son? Charlie, my oldest. Yeah,
33 he'll be tomorrow. Charlie, the eldest. Oh,
before we go to that question. Okay, go ask him
since you're laughing already. What... Okay,
what bad habit do you secretly think makes you
more interesting? I can't have it. That makes
me secretly more interesting. You complete the
fifth. I told you. You can choose 23 if you'd
like. I don't know if you'd call it a bad habit.
What bad habit do you secretly think makes you
more interesting? It's too many of them. I know.
It's like four cheeses of red. Maybe because
my bad habit of blushing so easily. And it makes
me interesting. That is so funny. Okay. Now the
number. Before you go there, I got a quick question
for you. In America, we grew up enjoying this
Monty Python. We thought it was hilarious. I've
run into English people that think it's stupid.
Do you know who Monty Python is? Yes, but I've
never heard the English people think it's stupid.
Oh, for real? Yeah. Did you like it? No, I never
got into it. I was too young to appreciate it.
But I never disrespected it because it was always
considered genius. It is genius, yeah. It just
wasn't my stick. I bring it up because the last
question, the question seven that Jim chose,
was about the argument department, right? Yeah.
Remember the argument department? This isn't
an argument. Yes, it is. No, it isn't. Oh, that's
a Monty Python skit. Oh, it's a great skit. Oh,
I don't remember that. Oh, okay. Well, disregard.
I just ruined the vibe. Go ahead with your next
question. The one I think is, just a flesh wound.
Yeah, yeah, that was the... I'll fight you. The
Holy Grail. But you got one leg. I'll still fight
you. Well, I'm going to put a link to the argument
department. All right. You really didn't see
that. Yeah, I'd like to see that. Yeah, me too.
Okay, what's the next question? Okay, next number.
Number 44. No, it's... 40. Nice try. Nice try.
I go 14. I need some filler music here. There
we go. That's nice. If you could send one message
back to your pre -birth self, what would it say?
Pre -birth. That's going to be harder for you.
So I wasn't even born yet? Yeah, well, so I believe
that our soul exists prior to this life because
we've had life. Enjoy the moment. Enjoy the moment.
Yeah, I like it. That's a good one. I think that's
really good. Because that's categorical. It's
the only thing is the moment. Yeah, I think a
lot of people don't enjoy their moments because
they're always thinking of something and the
future is going to make them happy. So I think
that's really, really good. What would yours
be? I think that was really good. Yeah. I like
that. What's next? Okay. All right, number 20.
Is immortality a dream or a nightmare? And who
would annoy you first if you couldn't die? Is
immortality a dream or a nightmare? And who would
annoy you first if you couldn't die? Holy moly.
Oh my God, immortality. So the most annoying
person that you've ever, ever met. You can dig
deep on that one. Don't mention their names.
No, no, no. I mean, it was annoying. I guess
someone I saw on TV was so annoying. I guess
it was Urkel. He was so annoying. Who's Urkel?
He would go, can I do that? And I'm like, oh,
that's so annoying. So it's his voice. It's his
voice and his whole demeanor, like doing. But
what was he? A kid show? He was a kid show and
he would do dumb stuff. And was he a bear or
a human? No, he was a good kid. I mean, but he
would just. funnel into something and and then
whenever he made a mistake he would his response
was like did i do that you know oh my god that
does sound like a miracle everyone who i don't
i don't think you're going to hell but if you
do if jim goes to hell he's gonna be at the gate
it's like markel right there and he's gonna be
your roommate Okay, so you just mentioned at
the gates of heaven. So there's this joke where
this woman dies being married for 50 years to
her husband. And she gets up to heaven. And this
is not true. It's just a joke. And St. Peter's
there is like, okay, welcome to heaven. But in
order to get in, you have to spell a word. And
she's like, well, what's that word? And she's
like, love. And she's like, okay, L -O -V -E.
And so Peter's like, well, can you watch the
gate? And you know what to do if someone else
comes up. So she's like, yeah, sure. And so she's
there, and her husband comes up after 50 years
of marriage. He's like, oh, my gosh, what are
you doing here? He's like, well, I couldn't live
without you, so I died also. And she's like,
well, you've got to spell a word before you get
here. He's like, really? What's that? And she
goes, Czechoslovakia. I was thinking in my head
it would be supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
So answer the question, Sarah. So what would
be the irritating? God, the irritating. I feel
it's funny how you went to a voice because I
feel like that has irritated me. And voices,
that bit. I don't know. I can't remember who's
irritated me because if you're going to irritate
me that much, I'm just going to get away from
you. I wouldn't necessarily want to engage. But
I think grating voices irritate me, like kiddie
cartoon voices. But I don't have a better answer
for that. But I'm going to think about it. No,
don't think too much. No, not now. Now I'm going
to sleep on it. You don't want to be irritated.
Next podcast, I might have a litany. Right, okay,
1984. She's going to go to sleep tonight, irritated.
She'll wake up like me. Number three. All right,
number three. Okay. Oh, God. Do you believe your
soul picked your face on purpose? Or was it just
stuck with it? So pick your face on purpose.
We were made in the likeness of God. But you
don't believe anything came before this life
because I believe that I've lived before. But
if you don't, do you believe that you've chosen
your economic background, your appearance? Do
you believe any of that was your choice? Yes.
Yeah, we choose. Yeah, because I could have easily
let myself go and I could be 500 pounds if I
chose to, you know, or I can, you know, not be
in shape. Run a three minute mile? Or run a 3
.1 mile. Yeah. So, yeah, it's all a choice on,
you know, how you want to look. But this one
is saying pre -birth, isn't it? Pre -birth? No,
pre -birth, you're just a soul. You know, you
don't have a body. So you're... born into this
body and then when we exit we're getting a new
body but god gives us the body then so my soul
that god created gave this fat suit to me this
fat suit to you and this fat suit because there's
a number of hairs on your head so yeah that's
why this is why i say god has a sense of humor
exactly All right, so let's keep going. It keeps
all of us humble. It does. See? It does. It really
does. It keeps us humble. Okay. 25. 25. I think
these are getting a bit weird. Okay. I mean,
just in the single digits. Yes. Like the first
ones weren't weird. If your body had its own
religion, what would be the first commandment?
If my body had its own religion. That should
not gain 500 pounds. If my body had its own religion.
What would be its first? Oh, to love it, I think.
I would say... These are pretty obscure. Yeah.
To love your body. To love your body as... To
treat your body as a holy temple. As a temple.
Yeah. That's where I'd go on that one. Yeah.
Love your body, embrace it, and then keep it.
Yeah. So without going... Let's kind of put those,
because those are getting kind of obscure, but
my question is, looking back at your life, what
are some of the most... What are the moments
where you were laughing so hard that you couldn't
breathe? At my dad's funeral. You laughed at
your dad's funeral? Yeah, it was terrible. Oh,
that's hilarious. Oh, wow. No, but let me just
tell you what happened. So I loved my dad and
we were really close. But at the funeral, I was
overcome. But I don't know whether there was
hysteria attached to this laughter because it
was a big loss. But I also saw something so funny
in this Roman Catholic routine that I was in
with a coffin and all the doing all this stuff.
And I got the giggles and I had to fake it being
overcome with emotion because people were getting
really irritated with me. So my mum realises.
what's going on so she brings me to her and I've
just got my head in her lap but I couldn't stop
laughing and it was such a weird experience but
years later and this was only in reflection I
realized I'd not take the concept of death that
seriously because when I realized like my beliefs
isn't I've lived on this planet like you're going
to see your dad again and you're going to get
to heaven so it was like relax and lighten up
was the laughter but it wasn't out of disrespect
and there would have been some hysteria because
it was very very emotional but that was the most
and then what what I was laughing at as well
this is the worst time that you could possibly
laugh is at a funeral so that made me laugh even
more because now I shouldn't be laughing and
now it was and that went on and I mean I couldn't
breathe and my mum ended up getting me outside
and I had a cigarette and I was able to calm
down what's one of your laughing stories Jim
it could be any story obviously it's an awkward
laughing moment where you shouldn't have laughed,
but I did. So you reminded me of laughing at
awkward times. It was the movie E .T. And E .T.,
if you ever watched a movie, he's almost dying
and he's down by the lake and the boy Elliot's
right there and he goes, Elliot. So I started
laughing so hard because the way he said Elliot,
like, Elliot. And the reason why I found, and
everyone's like, shut up, shut up, stop laughing.
E .T.'s dying and you're laughing. Why are you
laughing? Because he said LA. And the reason
why it triggered this movie, it's still bad.
Sean Cassidy, back in the day, he made a movie.
where he was handicapped and he wanted to grow
up and marry this other lady who was handicapped
as well. And his wife... His name was Roger.
And she goes, kiss me, Roger. So I associated
kiss me, Roger, with Elliot. So I put the two
together somehow. So for you, laughing is an
independent moment because this is triggering
something within you. It's not the consensus
what is funny. Correct. I'll find stuff that
I find funny and I'm like, well, I shouldn't
share that. Yeah. I've been at the movies with
my kids and laughed at something I shouldn't.
And it's usually either really absurd or really,
really messed up. And my daughter's like, mum.
And then that makes me laugh even more because
now. Now I wasn't supposed to laugh and now that's
just become funnier. So I've been in that predicament.
What about you? My life is all about laughter.
Part of that is because I grew up, I was very
depressed growing up and laughter released. There's
a physiological impact of releasing. Just laughing
at stupid, silly things. Would you say that laughter
is a high spiritual attainment? I think it's
a cleansing. I think there's definitely a cleansing.
And I can tell from a doctor's perspective that
the process of laughing, there's a lot of endorphins
that are released. Oh, really? Oh, gosh, yeah.
Laughter is huge for your overall body, your
health, your youthfulness, your vitality. Even
how you breathe, like when you laugh, it's just
this really deep. especially if you're really
getting into it, your diaphragm, your breathing,
what happens when you mobilize that diaphragm,
it's actually circulating your cerebral spinal
fluid. It's putting a pressure, and you're actually
pumping cerebral spinal fluid up and down. So
you're flushing your body. You're moving cerebral
spinal fluid. So there's a lot of physiological
impact. That's probably why we like it then.
You're getting better oxygen. It's overall, it's
a great thing. It's like running, isn't it? They
say it's like jogging a mile. It is. It's a physical
exercise. Like laughter is one of the healthiest
things you can do. But I love to laugh, but I
hate jogging. But they're both giving me the
same thing maybe. It gives you a little bit of
a rush. I just think if you can laugh, it just
makes, because a lot of messed up things going
on planet Earth. It's a very complicated environment
to be born into this one. You can either laugh
or cry. Yeah. That's the way I look at it. I
can do both at the same time. My brother Dan
and I were 11 months apart, so we were always
goofing off. Oh, that's really close to nature.
We're goofballs. And, you know, we're a pretty
strict family. Is he 11 months older? He's younger.
Yeah. pretty strict family like i was baptized
into the orthodox church which if you think roman
catholic or catholic is strict man orthodox you
literally stand for the for the service like
for three hours like there's no kneeling there's
no sitting you're standing right it's it's brutal
especially for a little kid and then um but you
know i remember like going to the the church
and my mom would be singing in the choir and
we would just be sitting there like A couple
of kids trying to keep busy. So we'd be taking
the little, like we would take the bulletin and
tear off little spit balls. Oh my God. And we'd
be sitting there in the church loft and we'd
just like go and pew. Oh my God. And we'd be
nuking these kids, these people below. And there's
this one lady that had this big, back in the
day, a big head of hair. And we would just be
shooting. In her hair. Trying to hit her hair,
we were doing... So you had a target. We had
targets. She wasn't going to feel it, was she?
I was like, innocent. But then we found out later...
Later, it was my best friend's mom. Oh, my God.
Did she... She complained every Sunday. She got
pieces of paper in her hand. She complained.
So we were doing these little... Did she get
her hand and go... We were just doing these...
They're relatively harmless, but from Jim's perspective,
this is the holy place. I was a dirt bag, right?
But from Sarah's place, this is just hilarious.
Let's, you know... Let's do the spitball thing.
Well, it depends if there's a victim, isn't it?
I mean, if there's a victim too. But if I was
distracting her from her experience with the
Almighty, you know, if she's trying to practice
her faith. But she didn't know. Did she know
all this was landing in her hair? That's probably
until afterwards. She gets in the car and like,
Mom, what's in your hair? Confetti. But we were
doing tons of stuff. Remind me not to sit in
front of you ever again. Well, we would bolt.
That's all we knew was church. Yeah, it's like
that in England. We went to church. Every moment
of our day, if we weren't at school, we were
at church. They had the church bowling league.
They had the church dancing. They had the church
choir. I even did the church bulletin and mowed
the church lawn. I mean, freaking everything
was around the church. If we didn't have a chance
to do the church, like be goofballs at the church,
we didn't have it. You couldn't be a goofball.
Because you couldn't do it at school. So be a
goofball in church. I don't think that if Jesus
was looking down, he would disapprove. He'd probably
say, sharpen up your angle a bit. He was the
protagonist. He was there, yeah, do it, do it,
do it, do it, do it. But I think the one type
of humor I don't like is the humor that's targeted
at another person or a group of people. I don't
think that's cool. Putting people down, yeah.
Putting a group of people down or a person down
for their looks. Like, look, Jim chose this,
right? Yeah, I agree. Humor is, it's got to be
reserved for the funny and not used as a vehicle
to be insulting and then laugh. It's not. So
what category of humor would you say? I know
you know the answer because I told you once before,
but what's one thing that makes everybody laugh
almost categorically? And I'll tell it and you'll
go, oh yeah, it's true. Everyone has a fart story.
Oh, that's true. Everyone has a... Except for
you. Except for me? Don't look at me like that.
You don't have a fart story? You just looked
at me in the most accusatory way. You're not
even human if you don't have a fart story. Well,
I wouldn't have a fart story that I would share.
And I'm British and we don't talk about things
like that. You eased your body. About a year
ago, we talked about the farting preacher. My
mum used to... That was hysterical. The tooting,
rooting, tooting preacher. Yeah, the farting
preacher. Every time he closes his eyes, someone
had a fart machine. My mum used to call farts
body coughs. Body coughs. Body cough. That was
my body cough, but we didn't... It's not... I
mean, I've been married to my husband for 30...
When was it? 33 years. And he's never seen me
pee. We don't... I mean, we just don't talk...
In English, we don't talk about... I don't remember
laughing. Like bodily functions. Bodily functions.
No, not really. I think... Perhaps it's just
me. It's just the English thing. Yeah. We scrappy
Americans see it differently. I promise you,
the 1776 Patriots were lighting their farts.
All you've got to do is say the word fart and
people laugh. I know, right? My husband does,
because he's a pilot, so he's got some fart stories
in the cockpit, which were just, yeah. Oh, you're
horrible. And he always preferred it if there
was a flight engineer, so if someone had done
it, then the other person had an alibi. If there
was just two of you. Well, you heard of the...
touch oven here today no okay you know what my
brother dan and i used to i'll wait till you're
done drinking she was gonna spray that i promise
happened before we used to call them air biscuits
a fart an air biscuit I don't even know what
that is. Oh, air biscuits. That's horrible. That's
more than a fart. Okay, so a Dutch oven, a husband
can do this to his wife or vice versa, is if
you fart underneath, you're in bed together and
you fart underneath the covers and you pull the
covers over your wife's head. Oh, and you try
to, oh my God. My husband. And you force her
to smell it. Oh, that is awful. It's called a
Dutch oven. Oh my goodness. I would smother my
husband if he did that to me. So that's one thing.
Now, the other thing is laughter is contagious.
Because I watched a video of this. And it was
actually a social experiment where this guy got
on this subway. I guess it was New York or Berlin
or something. It was just a subway. And he intentionally
was looking at his phone. And he was an actor,
right? So he just started laughing. Like he was
looking at something or reading something. He
started laughing so much so that eventually in
a matter of just a few minutes, the entire. His
whole section of the train was laughing. Wow.
And that's how contagious. You and I were going
to go to downtown Clermont, sit outside and
have a cup of coffee and start laughing as an
experiment to see that. So we should try that.
Were you willing? That'd be cool. We'll just
go to downtown Claremont, sit outside, and we've
got to start laughing like monkeys for five minutes
and see whether it's going to be contagious.
Like a mob. Yes. A mob dancing. But it's got
to sound real. Yeah. Because it couldn't just
be. It could be scary. Did you ever hear the
song The Laughing Policeman? So go on to, just
go English song, The Laughing Policeman, if you
remember to do that. It'll be on YouTube. And
it was a song that came out, a one -hit wonder
in the 70s about this policeman that started
laughing. And you do, he just does, it just laughs
all the way through. And at the end, you are
deaf. It does affect your mood. The Laughing
Policeman. It reminds me of this book I used
to read my kids when they were young. It's a
Dr. Seuss book called The Yawn. book and you
literally you can't go through the book without
yawning it's so it's it's just it's so subliminal
but yeah so we're we're wrapping up here um jim
this is uh what are your thoughts i mean do you
recommend anybody else ever come as a guest don't
do it no this is this has been great i mean it's
been really fun you know to open up talk freely
um you know no agenda no script just You know,
it's, like you said, it... It's a little nerve
-wracking, but everything is. But overall, it
was a wonderful, wonderful experience. And I
really like the fact that you and I can disagree
about certain ideas, that we can talk about them.
It doesn't affect how I feel about you, and I
hope it doesn't, and I really like that. You
don't have to think what I think, and I don't
have to think what you think, and I think just
exchanging ideas is really nice. So thank you
for being cool about that. That's really good,
and I've really enjoyed talking to you. Yeah,
same here. Yeah, and I knew that when I met you.
I knew this would go really well. So thank you
so much. Well, hopefully you'll have me back.
I don't know about that. I have to ask Desmond
to give me some more questions. Yeah, new questions,
please. I'm going to have Rosie take a shot.
All right, let's do Rosie. Desmond's kind of
like going down this weird spot. So Sarah, what
are your thoughts? Should we have another guest
sometime? Yeah, we can do that. I think it's
been lovely. I've really enjoyed it. Well, I
like getting, as you mentioned, differing perspectives.
I think it's healthy. I think one thing that
Sarah and I learned is she's this... And this
high society British girl, she used to be a flight
attendant for British Air, Concorde. I was too
tall for Concorde. I was five foot nine. You
had to be five foot four. Oh, really? Yeah, that
sucked. No, I was on the 747. And then the scrappy
Americans, right? And so we always have these
conversations that are very disparate. But we
always just appreciate each other. We just don't
have to agree. And I think that's some of the
stuff in society. You don't always have to agree
on anything. Agree to disagree. Yeah, agree to
disagree. And you can still be cool and still
find benefit from a friendship. So that's important.
Any closing thoughts? Closing thoughts? Good
fart joke. I'm leaving now. I don't want to hear
it. I'm British. No, I can't think of a fart
joke. No, that's okay. So, Sarah, any closing
thoughts? I'll end with a joke. What do you call
a deer with no eyes? No idea. Right? Yeah, we
went over time. I might have to cut this. That
was always my... It's been around now. But the
examiner, when I was training for British Airways,
told me that. And I always thought that was my
favorite joke. Well, my favorite bad dad joke,
since we're talking about traveling, I'll use
this one. What type of bus do you take to cross
the ocean? Columbus. Don't laugh. You're only
going to encourage me. So we're just going to
end it with that. Bad joke. It's so bad. It's
funny. Jim, I'm going to give you my favorite
all -time joke. It's hilarious. You're familiar
with knock -knock jokes, right? Yes. Knock -knock.
Who's there? Interrupting cow. Moo. And my favorite
knock -knock joke is, I got a great knock -knock
joke. You start. No, she starts. Knock -knock.
Who's there? Isabel. Isabel who? Isabel needed
on a bike. She didn't just do that. She just
turned your joke. I know. She totally ruined
my joke. I hate knock -knock jokes, and I'm going
to be a disruptor when they come up. You were
a disruptor. I was. That's what's funny. She
didn't even know she disrupted it. No, she did.
That was perfect. Well, we want to thank you.
This has been a cool episode. Jim, thanks for
coming out. Thank you for having me. Ladies and
gentlemen, I'll have some show notes about Jim.
Jim, do they vote? I mean, who votes? Yeah, you
go to... New Beginnings. It's called N as in
Nancy. N as in new, B as in beginnings, CFL .org.
I'll just put the link. Just send me the link.
I'll put it in the show notes. If you want to
vote for Jim as the preeminent dancer of Central
Florida, then we can do that. I want to thank
everybody for sharing our show with others. If
you have any suggestions for guests we can have
in the future, we should do that. Jim, thanks
again for coming. Thanks, Jim. This episode of
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