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us as we wander off the path to find the ideas
that fascinate. We talk about spirituality, the
mind, the ego, wellness and hidden history with
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life. Hello, everybody, and welcome. My name
is Dr. Tia Jolie, and we are excited it's October
10th. More importantly, it's episode 60. Our
60th. Six zero, 60th. So happy birthday to us
for 60 years old. Thank you for the beautiful
carrot cake. Yes. Yeah, that's so beautiful.
We put a picture on it on the website. Yeah,
I'm going to make that thing up. Yeah, I think
so. So I'll have to theme this episode. We'll
have to dovetail it into carrots somehow. So
this is your favorite cake. Is it a carrot cake?
I mean, being plant -based, I totally get it.
My favorite all -time cake is free. free cake
we'll work for cake yeah we'll work for cake
but no but i love carrot cake in fact it's kind
of weird because like my children didn't know
that was my favorite and it's happens to be their
favorite too it's crazy like three out of four
of them it's the favorite cake and if you can
keep the carrots from drying out it's a very
very heavy rich And it's a decent ingredient.
And it's not like a gateau, which is very, very
sort of light and sponge -like. It's quite heavy.
Listen to you be talking all this fancy, fancy,
fancy. It wouldn't be a cake that I would generally
have because I've had too many shitty ones. Yeah,
I agree. But I'm going to make mine. It's really
hard. It's hard to botch a carrot cake, especially
if you like carrots. But so I'd say the. Why
carrots? It's just they're delicious. And they
hold water because it's very, very moist. It's
heavy. The ones I've had, they get these plump
raisins in them. If you've ever had those, they're
really good. Well, congratulations. Yeah, 60.
What are your thoughts after 60 episodes? I'm
thrilled about it. Me too, I like it. I really
enjoy doing it. I like the format of it. And
let's make it another 60 and 60 again. Yeah,
let's do it. Let's do three lots of 60s. That'll
be 666. Yeah, so let's do another 60. So today
is beautiful. I like the coolness that's coming
in from the north a little bit, a little cloud
cover. You're going to get some rain here, which
is good. We up -planted, like probably... Up
-planted. 300 plants. When you took them out,
you mean? Well, usually when you do planters,
like in a nursery, they look like little plugs.
They're probably no thicker than your thumb,
right? And then once they're rooted, then you
can upland them into like a three by three. Oh,
okay. So they're all growing their roots. That's
lovely. Yeah. So their roots were starting to
come out the bottom. It's like, hey, you're viable.
It's like moving them from the crib to the nursery.
That's right. That's exactly what it is. What
plants are they? Is it food? Well, in Florida,
you know, we're from Michigan originally. And
this is the end of the season in Michigan. So
when we moved to Florida, we thought it was the
weirdest thing. To be putting plants in the ground
in October. Because in Michigan, we're getting
ready to freeze. Yes, exactly. I remember October's,
like Halloween's in Michigan. Bitch cold. It
was freezing. It was in England. Yeah, it was
very similar. You had to wear a parka. So here
it's just starting to get pleasant. And the ground
is beautiful. And we're not going to get a frost
here at all. It's usually the end of January,
February if we do get one. It's not that big
of a deal and it rolls out quickly, doesn't it?
Yeah, so the ones that are really happy now,
our season in Florida, right now we're getting
into the area where pretty much any of the brassicas
we can grow. Those would be the cauliflower,
the broccoli, the kale, the deep greens, the
cruciferous vegetables. Yeah, really good food.
Cauliflower, broccoli. And then tomatoes are
crazy. I don't know if you've seen our tomatoes
over there, but they're crazy. We have radishes.
Oh, lovely. Love radishes. Carrots. Of course,
carrots coming in. There we go. That was a good
one. But, you know, Robin and I, it's so funny
because we're seven years now in the treehouse.
Oh, are you? And, you know, here on Phillips
Island. But it's so funny because so much of
what goes on here on the farm is relevant to
the world around us. Like the idea of... The
microcosm and the macro. Yeah, totally. Like
the idea of planting seeds. You know, we read
it in scripture about seeds falling and some
fall in the cracks and some get eaten by the
birds and some dry out and blow away, whatever.
Whatever that scripture says. But some of them
actually take root. And I've really adopted this
philosophy that even if one... Like say I have
a whole packet of seeds and only one of them
comes up, I give gratitude for the one that came
up. Yes. It's not about the ones that didn't
take it. It's the one that comes up. I love how
you're processing this. Because that one that
comes up, say it's one jalapeno plant, right?
Well, that one jalapeno plant is going to have
20, 30, 40, 50 jalapenos on it. And all of those
will have 20 seeds. So some years ago, I was
staying in Colorado and I grew a marijuana plant.
And this marijuana plant yielded 4 ,000 seeds.
Did you count them? Pretty much. Well, I did
it in batches and I had to because I'm like,
how? And it was on this massive metal tray. There
was a bit of bud on it. So, yeah, that was my
big seed crop. And I thought, well, if there's
Armageddon and it's real. Are you sure it's 4
,000 or are you sitting there going? No, because
literally I got 100 seeds and then I'm laying
them out. So I didn't physically count each one,
but I visually laid how many have I got here.
And it was thousands. I would have loved to have
recorded that. It was a huge plant and it was
so fertile. And it was just, I felt totally blessed
because that's very rare. So how close am I on
this? This is you counting. One, two. Whoa. Four.
I got to four. Thousand. And it felt like I'd
been counting for 4 ,000 years. So I mixed my
numbers up. Whoa. And then went to eat some carrot
cake because I had the munchies. You're looking
at these hundred seeds like, whoa. It was a real
spiritual moment, but not for the reasons that
you're suggesting. I was absolutely floored because
that had never happened before. And the thing
about seeds is you could leave those in a drawer
in a dark room for 4 ,000 years, 5, 10, whatever.
They're not going to do anything. You have to
tend to them. You have to give it, you have to
give them life. So planting a seed and growing
something is absolutely rewarding. Because without
you, because it's like a little godlike environment,
without you, you are the monotheistic god in
their life because you've got to give it the
right ecosystem to live in. So it's like a little
godlike trip I'm on. Yeah, look at you. But let's
talk about the seeds more because sometimes this
is something that, you know, we're going and
we're pulling some weeds out of the garden and
we'll look at something and go. This is not a
weed, but this is not something we planted. And
it might be something that... Birds shit it out.
That's one of them. So it's just a gift from
nature. The wind has brought it over. Or maybe
it's something that we had like two or three
or four years ago. And it was just a dormant
seed that just... found the right conditions,
and now it's growing. So I think that that's
really metaphoric for life because so many times
we have these intentions. We get angry with life
because we did this, we did this, we did everything
right, but we didn't manifest yet. Well, the
reason you haven't manifested it because you're
on a low vibration, because you're frustrated,
you've got to have faith. You've got to do all
you can. But faith without works is dead. And
it's the same the other way around. So if you're
going, I've done all I can. God damn it. There's
not a thing I've put. I've done it all. I've
ticked all the boxes. You're not going to manifest
a damn thing because it'll be a mirror of your
vibration. So you're manifesting frustration
being mirrored back to you because that's what
you're putting into the quantum field. But we
learned that the first year. We were here. And
that's why three, four, five years later, we
have what we call volunteers. Because we literally
have volunteers. Right outside this window, if
you look down and left from the studio, there's
a mango tree there. A mango tree. We brought
that from Jupiter, Florida when we moved here.
We literally had a... like one of the rental,
like a Ryder, or not Ryder, a Penske rental.
Yes, yes. A trailer, it was full of plants that
were on our patio. That, talk about a will to
live. That mango tree has been frozen twice.
God. It was run over by a car once. I mean, it's
been through hell and back. The magic mango.
So what happened the last time it was frozen,
it grew up way, way tall. And then the leaves,
just not the mangoes, but the leaves themselves
were so heavy, it was falling over. And I propped
it for like a year and a half. I tried to prop
it up. It wouldn't stay up, wouldn't grow straight.
I'm like, dang it. What do I do? So I literally
went at eye level. And you can see the chop.
And I just chopped it right at eye level with
no, there were no branches. And all of a sudden
it started putting out branches just like this.
And it is the most beautiful. The Bible talks
about pruning a lot. It's so beautiful. And that's
a metaphor for life. You do have to prune and
you have to be quite brutal about it. Extend
the metaphor and tell me something that you've
pruned that came back better. My hair. Really?
Yes. My hair was broken and I decided I have
to cut it all off and then I have to let it all
grow again. and it came back thicker and stronger,
so my own hair. But in planting, too, you have
to prune things. They get leggy. I have it with
my borgonvilliers. They were sending out big
legs, so I pruned them, and I've made them much
thicker now. But as a metaphor for life, you
have to prune your own life. You have to get
rid of... You've got to be quite brutal about
it sometimes. You have to get rid of what is
no longer useful to your flourishing. And so
pruning in our life, which is, I'm sure, what
the Bible is just all about, a lot of agricultural
references pertaining to how we look at life.
So pruning is vital. So let's talk, this is relevant
because this past week, there's these couple
categories of people that have repeatedly come
into your life. Because when you're a giver,
when you give freely, there's a lot of takers,
right? You know, there's always this, how do
you draw, I want to say yes to people, but I
also don't want to be abused, right? I think
the only question I would ask, am I getting pleasure
out of this relationship? That would be the only
thing I'd ask. It would be quite a yes or no,
or it maybe could be nuanced. Well, it's really
hard to tell, because if somebody's coming into
my world, like here's an example. I got a call
Thursday last week, so it was one week ago. One
week ago, it was after studio last week. A person
up in Michigan who knew somebody who knew somebody
who knew somebody said that they should call
me. Well, this woman's sister, stage four ovarian
cancer, she's being sent away from the hospital.
How old is she? Going to hospice. Early 60s.
Being sent to hospice. So she gets a hold of
me. The sister gets a hold of me. My sister's
stage four ovarian cancer. She's going to home
-based hospice. Can you help her? That's heartbreaking.
And I'm like... My answer is if she's helpable,
if she's able to be helped, I can help her. But
at that stage, it's a wild card, right? So here's
an example. Somebody comes into my world. You
said, well, does it bring me joy? No, it's a
pain in the ass. This is your job, though. This
is not a friendship. This is a service that you're
offering. So that would be different. It's not
even a service I offer because I don't take money.
No. Well, I'm not saying you do, but it's still
a service. You're still saying, call me because
I have a lot of knowledge that might be able
to help you. That's the service part. So this
is where I'm at. So you see, you use the standard,
does it bring me joy? I was talking about friendships
more. Okay. Yeah. Well, watch this though. Does
it bring me joy? No. Every bit of this process
is a pain in the butt. No, it doesn't bring me
joy for the first 90 % of it does not bring me
joy or brings me joy. Is that one person that
comes back alive and lives 20 more years. Right?
Yeah. So you have to take the hit with all of
you. So even though it doesn't bring me joy in
the short term. just like planting seeds yeah
i gotta plant them and wait and wait and wait
and wait and wait i think i think to whom much
is given much is expected right so you you should
share your knowledge and you are going to get
a lot of difficult people and most people aren't
going to want to do the things that you're going
to ask them to do to implement changes in their
life they might not even be consciously capable
of it so it's quite unrewarding on on your part
because but like you say if you get one person
that's transformed that'll carry you through
so this is this goes to a different question
you know during this earth journey that we have
we we have all these experiences what is the
what what is it that's bringing me joy or bringing
you joy is it the process or is it the end result
it has to be the process because unless you enjoy
the process there is no end result that's that's
what i'm getting at because 90 of this experience
is a pain in the butt so you have to figure out
how do i make this joy yes Yeah, acceptance.
And that's, you nailed it. You're so good at
this game. Because this is like, okay, put myself
in their shoes. The sister's at her wit's end.
She's losing her sister. So what I look at is,
I look at it as being an angel of peace and say,
okay, look, your sister's either on her way out
or on her way to improving. We don't know. So
let's work together. To find out what we can
do to bring her, if it's her last few days. Or
as an extension. Or as an extension. It's funny
because you're acting because you're a minister,
aren't you? I am. So that's kind of your, you're
in that role at the moment. And you didn't give
an inflated hope because it's quite likely that
she's going to pass on, isn't it? That's what
you know. But I like, you're always very calm.
And that's what I think that's what you're offering
is your presence of mind and your calmness in
that situation. Yeah. And so we talked. Thursday
and Friday, and then I learned that this lady,
her daughter's getting married this weekend,
and her husband's got stage four cancer. Wow.
A different type of cancer. They go out together.
So I opened the door, but the reason I say this
is by accepting the joy of just giving, giving
freely, not expecting in return. Watch what happens
now. she's able to go into this weekend with
a little more joy. I don't know if it's daughter
or daughter -in -law getting married, whatever.
A little more joy, a little, just even a scant
bit of more hope and the idea that, and now we're,
we're looking at his, his cancer is way, way
more. It's way easier than what she's dealing
with because he's, he's way more. he's not as
deep into the cancer as she was. Um, so he, I
look at him and it's like, wow, this is, this
is totally doable. We can totally, what he's
got is totally, totally not a problem in my world.
If he, if he's compliant, this is easy. I know
people say, say it's for cancer really easy.
I mean, you get some couples that have been married
for years and they want to go with each other.
So she goes first. He might be like, you know
what? I'm just going to, well, this is actually,
uh, the girl that's sick is her, her sister.
And then the other person's her husband. Yeah,
okay, yeah. But talk about the stress, the stress,
the stress. But I like to be able to bring joy.
And having to, yeah, just to face dying. I think
it was Woody Allen that said, I don't care how
I die and I'm not scared about dying. I just
don't want to be around when it happens. right
and I think it's but I the belief system I have
is so airtight I don't want to be in pain when
I die but if it's karmic I'd have to endure that
but I have no problem to me I'm as dead now as
I will ever be on this planet compared to what
I've been in previous existences I've sent you
a few things over the past few days, and they're
all over the board. I haven't got to look at
any of them. That's okay. That's okay. But one
of the things that I've heard repeatedly, and
I think I'll bounce it off of you, is this idea
that all of us, we started off in the oneness,
and then part of us, we're fractals. We are basically
fractals of the infinite divine creator. We consciously
split ourselves. We split ourselves to experience
the polarity, right? Yeah. And when I was listening
to this one person that was describing everything
that we've, you know, this plus more about how
the Garden of Eden represents this, how we came
into this space unified and then split, and then
the awareness of the split and the awareness
of the... The awareness of the good and evil.
Of the good and evil. Which wasn't our fall.
That was actually our gift. And that's the problem.
That was our gift. It wasn't a fall. No. Not
in a moral sense. No. We were brave enough to
take on dark forces. And that's what I sent you.
I think it was this morning or yesterday. But
that was my take on it. I came into this space
intentionally. I literally descended. Yeah. I
descended into this to experience this. And then
you will ascend when it's over. And when I'm
done, I'm going back home. So what I'm saying
is that I like this. I want to have this conversation
because when we talk about who are we and why
are we here, what's this earth experience about?
We're here to manifest reality. The journey is
amazing. Well, the journey is critical because
if you don't enjoy the journey, you're not going
to manifest anything because the mirror world,
the quantum field, is reflecting back your countenance.
So the journey, you have to live like you are
experiencing what you have on your vision board,
all the vision for your life. You've got to act
and embody that being real now to get the quantum
field to reflect it back. So the journey has
to be joyous, otherwise you'll never... get the
outcome you want because it will keep reflecting
back your low -grade state of consciousness so
the journey is everything And the journey and
the visions that you want, they're almost synonymous
at some point because if you can embody it and
sustain that, sustain the coherence, and Joe
Dispenza talks about this, you've got to embody
who you would be if this was happening right
now. And our visions vary in their ambition,
but you have to embody that and then sustain
that until it's coherent. That changes the signal
and you get a reflection back. But if you've
just got this big vision and you're hating the
journey because all you want is your vision.
to come true nothing will happen you'll go around
the same old mountain over and over again something
else I sent you this week I think I sent you
I sent you whenever something's novel I think
oh my god Sarah needs to see this you know but
there's no hurry on any of it I just I listen
to these when I'm in bed but I've been writing
so I'll have a binge because I don't like to
watch TV that much so I listen so I'll watch
so I saw this thing There's a lot of technology
now that can actually look at the energetics
of, say, a plant. So if you took a, let's just
say, because we talked about a marijuana leaf,
right? A carrot. A carrot. But, you know, when
you look at the leaf, that's where the activity
is because that's the receiver for the photosynthesis,
right? So in this case, I saw this person, they
took an image of the leaf. So you could see there's
like a video of the leaf, but they overlaid.
this camera that saw the energetic. Wow, that's
incredible. It was like the photonics. You're
looking at the photonics overlaid on top of the
leaf itself. You saw the image of the energy
that the leaf was... The molecular structure
of the energy that it was emitting. It was amazing
to see. It sounds like a mushroom trip. But this
freaked me out a little bit. Because they took
the leaf and then while the video was going,
they snipped like... The tip, like the top, like
the tip of the leaf, like one third. They snipped
the leaf off and took the top of the leaf off.
I can't believe my heart is bleeding for a marijuana
leaf that's been snipped. What happened to the
energy? Well, this one wasn't a marijuana leaf.
It looked like a beech tree or something like
that. What happened to the energy structure?
This is what's weird. They took the tip of the
leaf off, but the energy structure, the shape
of the energy remained. The energy, the imprint
of the energy stayed. So the leaf, the energy
of the leaf stayed exactly where it was, even
though it lost its tip. Lost part of it, yeah.
So I thought that was fascinating. So what's
that all about then? How would you read into
that spiritually? It's the morphic resonance.
You just mentioned it. Ah, okay. You see? So
what came first? What came first? Was it the...
energy that formed the leaf or the leaf that
formed the energy so there you go so when they
took the tip of the leaf off so that's so that's
unbelievable so you you saw the morphic resonance
explained to you in that video in real time because
how else do you explain that yeah right you literally
you're looking at the energetics of a leaf a
real live leaf and you cut it off Because in
my mind I was going, ah, because I had this,
I was kind of going Disney on it. Disney? You're
such a princess. The leaf was cut off and then
I had these molecules all collapsing around it
and not being this beautiful structure anymore.
And so when you said it actually stayed the same
and it wasn't affected by the destruction of
the leaf, I was back in a happy place again.
And then because, but that's incredible. So the
energy is there to begin with and that would
be the quantum field. There it is. That's in
the quantum field. Now we're doing this with
this leaf of this plant. So this is a very, this
is not the complexity of a human being, but the
morphic resonance is there. So it makes you,
you know, just by extension, this is, we're just
talking about one leaf of a plant, but by extension,
when your mom and dad decided to have a little
baby girl or have a baby. Well, they didn't.
She just got knocked up. When your mom. Eating
carrot cake. When your mom was eating carrot
cake and somebody was attracted to that and knocked
her up. It was the carrot. But whenever that
happened, well, that's not true because you'd
be a carrot top. I would. And you're a blonde,
so that's not right. But think about this. So
somebody conceives a child. What comes next?
Is it the morphic field, the resonance? Maybe
the cellular structure. grows into the image
of the energetic imprint but it has to grow into
the image but the image has to be available prior
to it growing into it so the image has to be
there prior to it growing that's what i'm saying
so if you listen you've i think you've quoted
or you've talked about rupert sheldrake before
He's really big on the Morphic. Oh, yeah. I haven't
listened to him probably for 10 years. I want
to just give a quick shout -out, just while it's
on my mind. So Buddha at the Gas Pump, he's got
750 in -depth interviews talking about world
religions, and that's where I first was acquainted
with Rupert Sheldrake. It's Rick Archer, Buddha
at the Gas Pump. If you're interested in any
of this, go to his website. He's absolutely wonderful.
His body of knowledge, he's such a cool dude.
Can you send me the link? link and i'll put it
in the show yeah the gas pump that's where i
was introduced to robert sheldrake and other
scientists that are talking about the same thing
and there's lots so if you find the section that
rupert sheldrake's and then you've got all the
other um scientists who are talking about that
and it's fascinating yeah rupert sheldrake is
it's probably been 10 15 years when i first heard
about him and then i didn't hear about him for
a long time i don't even know if he's still around
i guess he is but he's pushing it in age maybe
But when you listen to that, it forces you to
think. Because, you know, when we consider like
Tesla and Tesla always talking about, if you
really want to understand the world, think about,
you know, energy frequency and resonance, right?
I'm like, okay, well, energy frequency resonance.
Yeah. That sounds a lot. Yeah. But start mapping
spiritually what they are, because what I'm working
on is this project of aligning the quantum sciences
with spirituality and philosophy. And it's really
important. Don't rely on religion and spirituality.
There's other elements to consider. When you
say you're working on it, what... You have like
a bunch of projects. Well, I've just published
the book that's going with this. I'm going to
announce it probably more formally in a couple
of weeks. There's a couple of things I need to
get done with the website, but I'd like to do
a show on this and I'll make it formal. But this
is what I've been working on. This has been my
project now to create an airtight belief system.
And this belief system has philosophy, spirituality
and science, the quantum sciences. So for those
of you listening the first time, I usually introduce
Sarah as an author and a thinker and a philosopher.
But Sarah, just for those of you listening, just
fill in the blanks there just in a minute about
what your history is in terms of an author. Because
you're arguably one of the most prolific authors
I've personally known in my life. Well, I write
about ideas. I write about ideas to flesh my
ideas out. And ideas are the only thing that
we have. and we have to share them peacefully.
Otherwise, we're just going to fight and go to
war with each other. So I just write about ideas.
The ideas I write about predominantly is spirituality.
I've written a novel about reincarnation and
karma, and I've overlaid myself as the heroine
in that novel. It's pretty audacious, and I challenge
God. I go to heaven, and I'm like, what the fuck?
What are you doing creating this? Because I'm
so appalled with what's going on on planet Earth.
So that sets the tone for that novel. The Mirror
World was my... at using the metaphor of a reality
TV game. If this is going on and we are living
in a quantum field, this is what this looks like.
And that was just a metaphor in 8 ,000 words.
So that's available. It's a 45 -minute read,
but I was able to distill language very succinctly
in that because these are very complicated things
to talk about. But the written word makes it
easy. You can spend 15 minutes on one sentence.
So writing my ideas is what I've been doing.
And I wrote a poem. is this the best God could
do and that basically takes apart the monotheistic
idea of God that God is separate and that's 20
chapters of picking that apart why this is not
a good idea and then the books that I continue
to write are going to be well what is a good
idea then if you've debunked this idea then what
is a good belief system and that's what I've
been working on recently so and then I can't
imagine... And those are kids' books as well.
I've got that whole thing. Science fiction, fantasy
screenplays. Writing sci -fi is... My heart is
in that. I love writing science fiction. So the
star -side prophecy is sci -fi fantasy, but it's
not. There's an element of what I believe a belief
system is overlaid over that. Gotcha. Now, but
you're building this catechism, so... What inspired
you to pull this all together into a catechism?
I understand generally what the catechism, maybe
for the people listeners, what is the catechism
about, but what inspired you? Well, I'd like
to announce this in a couple of weeks. If we
can suspend it now. I actually have something
I wanted to go over with you. If we can just
hold on for two weeks, because what I want to
do is read the catechism out. And that's going
to take about probably an hour and a half. So
I want to supply the audio. So it's quite easy.
It's quite digestible. And then once I have the
audio, audio available then we can make that
available and then we can start picking it apart
and that point you can listen to it or read it
and then we but i'd like to do more of a formal
launch Okay, sounds good. Now, but you had some
other stuff to talk about today. Yeah, so in
a few of our last episodes, and just randomly,
we've been talking about all the greedy psychopaths
in the world, right? And there's a couple of
times, bless you, that you've got frustrated
with me because you're like, well, what the fuck?
You don't use the word fuck, but like, what the
F does it matter, Sarah? They're psychopaths.
We need to take care of it. But the question
that always arises, what is their motive with
me? And it just arose again. you know what i'm
just going to ask desmond why why is the motive
what is the motive behind this and i was very
happy that he churned out this so just give me
a second i want to read this out okay okay greed
arises not from abundance but from spiritual
starvation the soul mistaking accumulation for
connection So that's the motive of greedy people,
because they have no spiritual connection. I
mean, they're adrift and thinking the more they
get, the somehow more satisfying they're going
to be, but they're completely adrift from their
soul component. And I think that's what's been
bugging me. Because why are they doing that?
I mean, you're just, you have no... It's almost
as if you're existing bereft of your connection
to the divine. I mean, you're severed, it sounds
like. So you and I have covered this in the past.
We've had this conversation about what is an
NPC, a non -participating character or a non
-playing character. I listened to something a
couple of days ago that was fascinating. It was
an individual saying, this is how you can tell
an NPC from a real live soul. a soul that's actually
alive and functioning and aware and present.
And it was a really elegant answer. And it has
to do with an awareness and the internal script,
the internal narrative, not the external narrative,
because an NPC would sit in front of you and
whatever you talk about, it's going to burp it
back up to you. If you're talking about sports
scores, it's going to talk to you about sports
scores. Like Desmond. Yeah, like Desmond. It's
just going to burp up. some string of information
and burp it up back to you, but there's no awareness.
Awareness means you ask me about sports scores,
I'll tell you about sports scores, but then I'm
going to say, well, I wonder why you're bringing
that up now. What's your interest in that? Why
am I interested in sports? Should I be less interested
in sports? Or Sarah seems to be very interested,
maybe I should be more interested. Sports are
fascinating. And then I'll start having these
internal dialogues. And that's something that
these NPCs don't do. They don't ask about themselves.
Like if they behave a certain way, they don't
say, gosh, I wonder why I got... Like here's
an example. So there's no self -analysis. Yeah,
exactly. Here's an example. When you came in,
we started the show a little bit late because
I had a Zoom call that was supposed to start
at 11. And the person didn't shoot. They're five
minutes late. I texted, hey, are we doing this
or not? I bumped my studio time. I bumped my
1130, my studio time from 11 to 1130. Are we
doing this or not? Oh, I'm sorry. I'll be right
there. Time's ticking off. Now it's 1115. And
I'm like, OK, look, my girl's going to be showing
up at the door. I'm going to get to the studio.
Oh, no, the other person's coming on now. So
the three of us went on. I crammed. I crammed
30 minutes into 12 minutes. But to me, it's just
like, wow. My internal dialogue was like... Oh,
mine would have been flipping out. I can't stand
it when people are late. I'm okay if you've got
a decent reason. I'm perfectly reasonable. But
here's... My internal dialogue was, what could
I have done better? Am I talking to the wrong
person? We're talking about some business here.
We're talking about some very big business. And...
I did what I needed to. I looked. I said, man,
maybe did I miss something? No, they confirmed
everything. So I had this internal dialogue.
Immediately, like even five minutes, did I do
everything I could do to make this happen on
time? That was the first dialogue. Then the second
dialogue was, damn right I did. I did everything
correctly. They confirmed it, and it was not
a week ago. It was yesterday. It was yesterday.
So I'm going through. So you're just processing
all this data. So I know I'm not a zombie. I'm
not an NPC. So you took accountability immediately.
Is this something I've done? Have I dropped the
ball? And you wrote that off. So now you feel
more stable again because you don't want to do
that. You'd want to fix that next time. So the
next question is, were the two ladies I was talking
to, are they NPCs? Right? So they come on and
they're like, the first one was. Oh, my God,
I'm so sorry. I simply lost track of time. I
need to be doing better about this. Oh, that
was nice. So she owned it. That's nice. She owned
it. And she says, I said, well, where's the other
person that was supposed to be on here? And she's
like, that's on me, too, because I didn't confirm
it with her. I told her it was going to happen,
and I didn't confirm it. And then the second
girl came on, and she's like, I'm so excited
to be here. I've been looking forward to this.
So both of them. expressed their internal dialogue
to me, which is evidence to me that I'm not talking
to a zombie. Because they both expressed how
they felt or why they did or did not do something.
So now I do have family members where I haven't
talked to them for years, not because I don't
love them. I love them dearly from a distance.
But when I go there, it's always about the Game
of Thrones. And who got killed? Their soul is
absent. They're caught up in, I used to call
it the ego mind, but I've changed that term now
to conditioned mind. And it's just all the data
that you've accumulated is just going around
and around in circles and then you're relating
that into the external. But there doesn't seem
to be an anchoring of awareness. And that's why
it feels like a zombie because they're just spewing
out data and the conditioned responses they've
had so far to life. And I've met people like
that where you've... feel that they are slightly
whether you don't feel they're awake and i like
what you said conditioned response because so
many times we're like one of the things i love
about this doing the studio time with you is
every single week i i get novelty this because
i don't know from moment to moment week to week
what our topics are going to be where we're going
to go we might talk about Your catechism, or
we might talk about Web 3, or it'll be politics,
or the price of silver. Or carrots. Or carrots.
It could be all over the place. But what I love
about it is there's no novelty. It's not like
you're just sitting there. You're just not throwing
facts and figures in there. So that's interesting.
So to be around a person that does that, there's
no novelty because you'll just feel like you're
talking to a computer. You don't feel that there's
any spontaneity, any awareness, any willingness
to step out of known territory. And it's very,
very dull. It's very boring to be around people
like that because they're just spouting what
they've spouted so many times before. But I think
they're just in conditioned mind response. They
haven't stopped thinking and they haven't learned
to... understand the still small voice that's
there all the time it's in them it's just so
buried and you have to control your mind to access
that so i think they're just they're just stuck
in thought forms and in complete identification
with the thought forms that external reality
will be mirroring back to them so they've now
got their thought forms and then they've got
evidence that they're right because the quantum
field is mirroring back their state of consciousness
so there's a just a complete reality it's self
-fulfilling yeah so you know what's as you're
speaking you know the conditioned response it's
almost like they can see like if i'm talking
say to i won't even say but say somebody from
my past no sooner i'm two -thirds through the
sentence when they when they think they know
oh it's so fucking annoying just like you just
did it i just did it i'm two -thirds through
the sentence And they're like, they think they
know what I'm about to say. Yeah. But what I've
learned to do. Is play a game with them. I change
the sentence. Like, you think you can finish
my sandwich. And, right, you change the sentence.
Good. That's a cool game. But it's kind of fun.
Well, let me tell you a cool game we do at the
restaurants. You might get a smack in the mouth
if someone realizes what you're doing. But what
I've learned to do is, I was getting, there was
people in my circles. Excuse me. Because once
people get to know you a little bit. They think
they can finish your sentences. And not only
do they think they can finish, but they're introducing
their next idea before you're even done with
your sentence. Yes. Well, they already rehearsed
it. They're just rehearsing. Right. While you're
talking, they're rehearsing what they want. So
what that means is they're not actively listening.
That's right. So what I learned to do, because
when we go through this earth space, we're learning.
I learn from you. You learn from me. We learn
from... nature from circumstances, touch the
stove. I learned, uh, experience some great orgasm
about something I've learned. So we're always
learning from good and from bad, from what we
like, what we don't like. So I learned that when
people were interrupting me, I felt not listened.
Yeah. So I felt like they were not listening
to me. They weren't, they weren't. And so it's
like, well, so what is communication? So I'm
sitting here talking to you. What is communication?
The communication model has a sender, a receiver.
So I've got a sender, a receiver, a message,
a medium, and a mode, but most importantly, feedback.
And what I realized was when I'm talking to these
NPCs and they're just vomiting words on me without
even listening to letting me close my phrase
or my sentence. I was sitting there going, you're
not even listening to me. You're just vomiting
words on me. I didn't feel like... Validated,
heard. Like even heard. Even heard. Like you're
not even thinking about the sentence I just said.
You're already just vomiting words. Your mind's
in computer mode. You're in conditioned responses.
You're not choosing your thoughts, let alone
the words that will follow them. You're just
you're just sleep. Gurdjieff, who was a Russian
mystic. Have you heard of Gurdjieff? Yes. Yeah.
So he talked about that man is asleep, that we're
asleep and we have to wake up while we're here.
That was the fourth way, I think he called that.
And you have to wake up to being conscious that
you're just asleep. And I've been asleep. I've
actually fallen in and out of consciousness all
my life. I was able to be the watcher behind
my thoughts as a child. It was something I'd
written about in my novel The Star Side Prophecy,
so I won't go into it now, but it was a very
important moment in my development because I
was able to separate my consciousness from my
thinking mind very early on as a child, so I
was watching that. And where I was was a beautiful
space. It was very, very quiet and peaceful,
but it was like a blissful... peacefulness to
it and I was just I was outside well I'm just
going to tell you now I was outside And I was
walking up to the sweet shop in England when
I was seven and I just stopped and all my thoughts
dropped out of my head and I was just in pure
awareness. And I was watching the chimney come
out the chimney stack. There was a cat that walked
across the street. I could hear the birds, hear
a bit of traffic. The feeling was absolute inner
peace. That's what I remember most about it.
So I was fortunate that I spontaneously went
in and out of that state of mind all my life.
And then I learned to recapture that so I can...
spontaneously go back in and recapture presence
and awareness and where but i have been caught
in thought form so me fit i would have been the
person that you're talking about might have cut
you off might not have been listening rehearsing
what i'm going to say next because i think it's
going to make me look a certain way i could be
virtue signaling and i'm not using this conversation
in a way that i've learned how conversation should
be valued So I've done it myself. I think that's
pure gold. I love what you said. So with all
of my experiences with these people that cut
you off, what it made me feel like was I might
as well not even talk. So literally, I go in
to see some of my family gatherings, not immediate
family, but extended family. And I literally
just go there and I'm quiet. And I will go there
for many hours and maybe just say a few words.
Yeah. And it's not because I'm angry. It's just
that... What I've done in those situations is
steer the conversation just for entertainment
value because you're aware that they're just
stuck in their little processing. So at least
in that situation, ask them to talk about something
that's either entertaining or funny. So you would
end up having to steer them because they're not
conscious of what they're doing. So that NPC
now becomes, oh, you could just sit there, couldn't
you? And you could just enjoy it. Well, no, that's
where I end up being. A glass of wine helps.
But I'd just be a peaceful observer. Yes. And
if you're having fun. And I don't have to be
a person. You don't want to be there peacefully
and be resenting it, though. No, I don't resent
anything. I'm just sitting there. It's like,
I'm here. Might as well enjoy it. And that's
my whole life. If I'm stuck in traffic, I'm like,
might as well enjoy it. Yeah. No, I'm like that.
I completely surrender to the moment really quickly
because the reaction to the moment causes more
of the same. So if you do have free will, which
I don't know if we do because we're not sure
where thoughts come from, but if we do, it's
always with your reaction. So you've really got
to not buy it back if you're stuck in traffic.
Well, even when these girls were late coming
on the Zoom call just now, I was like... Cool.
Five minutes. I got stuff to do in five minutes.
I can totally, I have so many tasks. I just find
the five minute task and plug it in there. Right.
Like it's not a thing for me. Exactly. You can
edit a couple of things, can't you? So what I've
learned to do is. Can I ask you though, was part
of you irritated? And did you, I mean, cause
you're always very calm. I would never know.
Were you irritated? But their response was sincere,
though. They had said, I need to be better with
time management. I've forgotten. And she said
that she'd been looking forward to it. But timekeeping,
I think I have to loosen up about it. I'm quite
brittle about it. It means something to me. And
I think it's conditioning maybe from my father.
But to me, it was like a respect for your time.
That if I'm doing this and I'm busy, I've got
a lot of things to do. The fact that you're keeping
me waiting 20 minutes is irritating. I would
say a little bit of everything you said. I mean,
my initial response was, what the hell? I was
like, what the hell? And then when it became
clear that it was going to be a few more minutes,
then I was just like, well, I'm going to make
use of this time. Took care of a couple of things,
replied to a couple of emails, worked on a little.
I mean, I just had a bunch of little stuff I
did. To me, it's not a big deal. Let me just
wrap this up because what I've learned to do
is I've. Number one, taking a position almost
always as a peaceful observer. I do now. It's
just such a great place. It's relaxing. I don't
feel like I need to say anything. I don't feel
like I need to respond. In fact, it's something
interesting. That's very spiritual. This past
week, I had multiple interactions with other
business people. I'm working on some major projects.
Taking up a position of peaceful observer, it
makes them perceive me as being very wise, which
was fascinating. That's interesting. Because
I would sit there, they would say something,
and I would just sit and contemplate, just for
a few seconds, what they just said. Were you
using it as a power move to manipulate them to
think that you were wise? Because you could do
that. Or is a peaceful observer the place where
you learn more than you did initially? Because
I don't want to hear myself talk. If I'm in a
business negotiation, I know what I think. And
I will need you to know what I think. But being
a peaceful observer is how you get information
to keep this project rolling forward. Well, you
addressed four different issues there. But what
I would say is, no, I don't manipulate people
at all. Because you could do that. Because it
does look wise, and it is wise, because you should
want to be listening to all this information.
But there are times that you talk as well. So
I think peaceful observer is definitely a superpower.
Well, when I go into a negotiation... The first
third of it, the first one third of it is fact
-finding. I want to find out who they are, what
they're about, what are their interests. So the
peaceful observer comes after that, once you've
done your fact -finding. Well, I mean, I can
ask an open -ended question and they might end
up talking for two or three minutes. Then when
they close that phrase, they close that thought,
then I'll say, that's fascinating. Now, say they
brought up three points. I'll take one of those
three points that I want to dig deeper on. I'll
pay them a compliment and say, I really love
what you're saying here. Can you double back
to this point and tell me a little more about
that? So it's not like I'm not emotionally into
it. I don't need them to love me or hate me.
I don't even care what they think about me. I'm
there to solve an issue. Because as an entrepreneur,
I don't care if they like me or not. I'm there
to solve a problem. And create the solution.
Create a solution. Like, here's the solution.
Can I create a win -win out of this potential
solution? So here's an example. Here's the Kissimmee
airport down, the municipal airport down in Kissimmee.
I think it's underutilized. I think that they
can do a lot with that. Right. How long is that
runway? Long enough. So I talked to the girl
yesterday and I asked her to introduce me to
the mayor who's best friends with the owner of
the airport. Okay. Because I want to integrate
myself into that conversation. So that was kind
of part of yesterday's conversation. Why is that?
Well, I don't know why. My intuition says I need
to know that information. Yeah. So it's not like
anything. There's nothing there that's like ego
driven. I'm just curious. I'm kind of digging
in the dirt and finding out what's under the
surface. Yeah, what's under the surface? What
do I need to know for you to think more coherently?
And maybe I discover a data point that's not
relevant now, but it might be a year from now
or two years from now, right? So once again,
when I'm in these conversations, it's not about
me. I do tend to be quiet when somebody interrupts
me. And the reason is because... Conversation
is a meaningful exchange of ideas. When I say
something, I'd like to consider that you're listening
and then you contemplate. And you're like, okay,
well... Well, I interrupt all the time and that
might have been quite difficult for you, but
it's only interrupting to expand on what you're
saying, not to necessarily at that point inject
what I'm saying. Because what we're doing is
exchanging ideals and it's a back and forth all
the time. So a certain amount of interruption
is necessary just to build on this idea because
that's what we're doing. We're exploring ideas.
So I think it works in this context. But you
don't want someone interrupting you because they're
either bored with what you're saying or they
think they've... got something that they want
to say so it depends on what the motive is for
interrupting and so what i've ended up doing
is just using a two second rule and also having
a notepad so like if there's somebody if it's
very complex then what i'll do is i'll just instead
of interrupting them i'll just write like a word
yeah so i can double back to that word uh the
other thing i'll do is just wait two seconds
to make sure they close their phrase so they
can take a break and then i'll Because when I
wait the two seconds, they know that I've listened
to what they said. So it's my nonverbal way of
verbally communicating to, I'm thinking about
what you just said. They'll know whether you're
listening or not depending on your question as
well. That would be the verbal way of communicating.
You call verbal and non -verbal. Truly. So, yeah,
the communication model. I call them paper people.
You're saying they're non, what is it, NPC, non
-participating characters. Yeah, paper people.
Now, the paper people, I would like that to be
if I go to the DMV. Did you make that up? Well,
one of my Travis stories, I write about this
magic tense. Oh, that's where I heard that. It's
the paper people. It's a different context, actually,
but it's a similar from what you're saying. So
I've heard people. Yeah, that's what I call the
paper person. I'm interrupting you to find out
about paper people. They're a non -participating.
Participating character. So I just call them
paper people. Now a paper person would be helpful
if I was at the DMV and I want to go in and I've
got to renew my licence. I want to get in and
out as quickly and as efficiently as possible.
So I'm going to become a paper person to you.
I'm not going to say hello, but I'm not going
to enter into any type of dialogue because I
need you to focus on what you're doing so my
day can be... on point i don't so i'll inject
so i'll reduce myself in certain situations if
i'm working with someone in a kitchen i'm cooking
i don't like to talk i like to really focus on
what i'm doing that's interesting because just
yesterday we're um after our meeting the they
took me out to lunch and uh we went to like bonefish
um it's decent decent place and they were the
service was really slow it took them forever
to get to take the order and stuff And it wasn't
even that packed. It was just poor service. I'm
like, this is terrible. So anyway, long and short
is this girl had a tattoo and I wanted to ask
her about it, but I didn't. Because I wanted
her to get the order in the system first. It
took you freaking forever to get here. I ended
up talking to her about her ink. But once she
got your appetizer. Yeah, it's like, make sure
that we get our coffee or whatever again first.
So no, I like what you said because there's a
time and a place to ask a question. But then
the type of question matters too. Like I've learned,
I ask almost always open -ended questions. So
like in this podcast. I don't really ask you,
did you have a great day? Because that's like
a yes or no. So what I'll do is I'll say, hey,
what was the most exciting thing that happened?
Give me some dialogue. Give me some. It's not
like you have a hard time telling stories. I
used to do that with my kids. They would get
20 minutes each of them would get at night. And
that was after all our rituals and routines were
done. It was 20 minutes and it would be, and
I would say that. So you can talk to me about
anything and I'd leave. And what's the most exciting
thing that's ever happened? And what irritated
you about the week? And we'd spend that 20 minutes
talking about what was on their mind. So doubling
back to these people that don't keep a schedule
and they're late, how do you personally deal
with people? Well, I've realized that I'm quite
an impatient person. So I realize that's in my
life plan. I'm here to master patience. So I
use it as a lesson. It's like, just be sweet,
be cool. And if there are reasons, like if there's
a reason that you're like, I'm fine with that
because it does happen. But if I think that your
response is cavalier and that you've just, and
this is... In fact, my son, actually, he wouldn't
mind me even saying this because he knows I get
pissed off about it. Hello, Charlie. This one's
for you, Charlie. This one's for you, son. But
I've learnt, because I can feel my vibration
dipping, and because I understand that I'm in
charge of the quantum field that I'm living in,
I don't allow that to happen. And I just say,
OK, you're going to be patient. And what I've
learnt to do now is, if I tell him we've got
to meet at 10, I don't actually need him to be
at the house until 11. So I'm just giving away
my game plan. So I programme him with the wrong
time now. So he'll be 40 minutes late, which
actually means he's 20 minutes early, because
I didn't want to see him until 11. in any way.
So I've combated it that way. But I feel like
I just, I don't want to be reactionary. And so
if someone's late. So let's hope he doesn't listen.
I'll tell you what though. Let's hope he doesn't
listen. No, he will, little shit. He's already
heard this. Oh, he already knows this. But it
would irritate me if something was going down
and it was a big deal and I had money invested,
a lot of time, a lot of energy, and someone was
late and didn't have a good reason. That would
really irritate me and that would be in business.
Because you really need these structures to be
in place in business because we've all got to
interact with each other. So that's a real breach
in protocol for me. But I still probably wouldn't
react, but I'd be very careful working with you
again. I'd want you to be honorable in that.
So these are good conversations because these
are things that you and I typically don't talk
about. How do you deal with certain people or
certain characters? You did ask me the question,
you know, you said you don't observe me losing
my cool very often. And I almost never do. But
I do. I do release a little bit of tiger. Like
you'll see the tigress come out sometimes, but
it'll be metered. Because if I put full on tigress,
I'll blow people away. I don't want that. I think
that's a really good observation. Yeah. So I
give a metered response. And I did it last week
because I held an online meeting. It was for
the benefit of several key people on one of my
projects. And I was discussing a previous meeting
that was in my house. again for their benefit
and what i did was i said look you know i i put
a little we're gonna have a meeting the meeting
starts like let's just say it starts at 6 p .m
okay whatever here's the time it's gonna start
here uh you can come a few minutes early but
don't come like way early because i'm still doing
stuff like don't come on the hour early don't
come at five because i'm probably still in the
shower right So just come a few minutes early.
That's fine. So what we've been doing is when
we have guests, we like to put out food and,
you know, just like, well, what happened was
we put out food and I got ready to start the
meeting and everyone's like chit -chatting around
the food. And I literally had to corral the people
to come start the meeting that was for their
benefit. So it's like, okay. So I literally told
them, I lit them up the other day. you know just
in a small tigress way like tell me tell me what
you said but i i just said look because dudes
well well what i did was we're doing like get
the fuck over here well it was a it was a it
was a post -action gathering i said because whenever
you have a meeting you have a subsequent meeting
it says okay what do we do that worked really
well what do we do that sucked or maybe something
we could do better right yeah so i let everybody
else go first what do we do well what could have
been better, right? So I went around the room
and asked him all that. Then I always go last.
I told him, same thing. What did we do well?
I like this, this, and this. We did that. We
should do this again because that went really
well. Here's what didn't work well for me. Boom,
boom. I gave him two issues. I said, we need
to be working as a team. If I'm trying to get
people to start the meeting, And you're one of
the people that is an instigator in continuing
conversations or you're. You need to, if you're
by the food. It was disrespectful. You need to
be the person that says, hey, let's take it over
here because we're getting the meeting started.
Yeah, exactly. You know, I feel like I'm fighting
against my own teammates. Yes. It's infuriating.
So it wasn't ugly, but it was. But you called
it out. But you have to, because they don't know.
They're going to sit there. You should call it
out because you don't want it bottled up inside
you. And they need to know. They need to. And
it's perfectly reasonable. And what happens is.
So reasonable. And what happens is they. People
who never see me, like my children, like in all
the years, years and years of being a parent,
they probably saw me lose, just get angry like
a couple of times, a handful of times. And their
eyes get like this big, like, holy crap. Yeah.
They've never seen the tigress come out, right?
Same thing with business. Like when I even just
come out a little bit and just say, okay, listen.
This cannot happen again. And that's the tigress
coming out, but you're being assertive. And I,
for some reason, I was always assertive as a
child. It was pointed out to me, but I think
I kind of knew I was. But being assertive and
calling out what's right or wrong. I've been
in that situation where you want people to move
from this location in the social gathering and
go to this one. And you can see what I'm doing.
You can look at me. You know that I'm responsible
for getting you here. And you're just carrying
on as if I'm a paper person. We've all been in
that situation. That's one thing I know about
you is you're not a paper person. So let's make
a deal here on the air. If you ever need me to
corral a crowd. Just tap me and just say, would
you corral the crowd over there? Yeah. And I
will make it happen for you. It's funny. I do
that at my sister -in -law's house. When I can
see that people are doing that, I'll go around
and I'll just get right up to people. And I said,
we need to go outside now. You've kept Jean waiting
long enough. Fair. And I'm just, yeah, I'm just
over it. I'm going to invite you to every one
of my new business meetings. I'll be your corraler.
You're going to be like the first sergeant, right?
So, well, this has been cool. I never know what
we're going to talk about. So you said you're
going to hold off on a couple of these other
things. Yes. So what are we today? The 10th.
So let's... Let's do maybe the nearest to the
1st of November because I want to record this
catechism and I want that available on the site
so people can listen to that and then we can
talk about it. And then you can read it. And
I've done pictures especially for you. Cartoons?
Yes, some of them are. You'll love some of them.
They're absolutely perfect for you. So what I'm
saying on the right -hand page is now depicted
in a cartoon and Desmond has done those. It's
kind of a really cool book. A short read, an
hour and a half, and it's a full belief system.
And if and when you listen to it, which will
be in a few weeks and you have anything to say
about it, just hit us up on the website because
I'd like to know if I've missed anything. That's
lovely. And I'm going to get our website updated.
I'm so far behind on tasks, but we've done all
the episodes and they're loaded in the... Like
if somebody goes... to iTunes or iHeartRadio
or whatever, everything's current there. So all
of the episodes are current wherever you're listening
to the podcasts, but the actual website, I have
to manually upload them. Well, so maybe then
if I just, I'll read out the catechism here in
your studio, if that's okay, and then we could
do that as a special and then just upload it
on the current platforms because, you know, however
we do that. But when I talk about it, I think
it's really important to have that information
available in audio. particularly we could totally
do that whatever whatever serves you so well
i want to thank everybody you know we have a
growing audience of course there's so much demand
for everyone's attention The growth is slow and
steady. Nice. But that slow growth, we just want
to thank you all for listening and for tuning
in. And we're going to have some carrot cake.
Happy 60th, baby. It's been good. It's been great.
So we're going to go cut some carrot cake and
have a sip of coffee or something. Lovely. All
right. Love you. Thanks for coming out. And thanks
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