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Enjoy the show. Welcome to Soul Decodes. Join

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us as we wander off the path to find the ideas

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that fascinate. We talk about spirituality, the

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mind, the ego, wellness and hidden history with

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tips, travels and tales. Charms for a better

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life. Hello, everybody, and welcome. My name

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is Dr. Tia Jolie, and we are excited it's October

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10th. More importantly, it's episode 60. Our

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60th. Six zero, 60th. So happy birthday to us

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for 60 years old. Thank you for the beautiful

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carrot cake. Yes. Yeah, that's so beautiful.

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We put a picture on it on the website. Yeah,

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I'm going to make that thing up. Yeah, I think

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so. So I'll have to theme this episode. We'll

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have to dovetail it into carrots somehow. So

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this is your favorite cake. Is it a carrot cake?

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I mean, being plant -based, I totally get it.

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My favorite all -time cake is free. free cake

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we'll work for cake yeah we'll work for cake

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but no but i love carrot cake in fact it's kind

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of weird because like my children didn't know

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that was my favorite and it's happens to be their

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favorite too it's crazy like three out of four

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of them it's the favorite cake and if you can

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keep the carrots from drying out it's a very

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very heavy rich And it's a decent ingredient.

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And it's not like a gateau, which is very, very

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sort of light and sponge -like. It's quite heavy.

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Listen to you be talking all this fancy, fancy,

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fancy. It wouldn't be a cake that I would generally

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have because I've had too many shitty ones. Yeah,

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I agree. But I'm going to make mine. It's really

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hard. It's hard to botch a carrot cake, especially

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if you like carrots. But so I'd say the. Why

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carrots? It's just they're delicious. And they

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hold water because it's very, very moist. It's

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heavy. The ones I've had, they get these plump

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raisins in them. If you've ever had those, they're

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really good. Well, congratulations. Yeah, 60.

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What are your thoughts after 60 episodes? I'm

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thrilled about it. Me too, I like it. I really

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enjoy doing it. I like the format of it. And

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let's make it another 60 and 60 again. Yeah,

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let's do it. Let's do three lots of 60s. That'll

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be 666. Yeah, so let's do another 60. So today

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is beautiful. I like the coolness that's coming

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in from the north a little bit, a little cloud

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cover. You're going to get some rain here, which

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is good. We up -planted, like probably... Up

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-planted. 300 plants. When you took them out,

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you mean? Well, usually when you do planters,

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like in a nursery, they look like little plugs.

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They're probably no thicker than your thumb,

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right? And then once they're rooted, then you

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can upland them into like a three by three. Oh,

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okay. So they're all growing their roots. That's

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lovely. Yeah. So their roots were starting to

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come out the bottom. It's like, hey, you're viable.

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It's like moving them from the crib to the nursery.

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That's right. That's exactly what it is. What

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plants are they? Is it food? Well, in Florida,

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you know, we're from Michigan originally. And

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this is the end of the season in Michigan. So

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when we moved to Florida, we thought it was the

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weirdest thing. To be putting plants in the ground

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in October. Because in Michigan, we're getting

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ready to freeze. Yes, exactly. I remember October's,

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like Halloween's in Michigan. Bitch cold. It

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was freezing. It was in England. Yeah, it was

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very similar. You had to wear a parka. So here

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it's just starting to get pleasant. And the ground

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is beautiful. And we're not going to get a frost

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here at all. It's usually the end of January,

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February if we do get one. It's not that big

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of a deal and it rolls out quickly, doesn't it?

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Yeah, so the ones that are really happy now,

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our season in Florida, right now we're getting

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into the area where pretty much any of the brassicas

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we can grow. Those would be the cauliflower,

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the broccoli, the kale, the deep greens, the

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cruciferous vegetables. Yeah, really good food.

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Cauliflower, broccoli. And then tomatoes are

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crazy. I don't know if you've seen our tomatoes

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over there, but they're crazy. We have radishes.

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Oh, lovely. Love radishes. Carrots. Of course,

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carrots coming in. There we go. That was a good

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one. But, you know, Robin and I, it's so funny

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because we're seven years now in the treehouse.

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Oh, are you? And, you know, here on Phillips

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Island. But it's so funny because so much of

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what goes on here on the farm is relevant to

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the world around us. Like the idea of... The

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microcosm and the macro. Yeah, totally. Like

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the idea of planting seeds. You know, we read

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it in scripture about seeds falling and some

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fall in the cracks and some get eaten by the

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birds and some dry out and blow away, whatever.

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Whatever that scripture says. But some of them

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actually take root. And I've really adopted this

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philosophy that even if one... Like say I have

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a whole packet of seeds and only one of them

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comes up, I give gratitude for the one that came

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up. Yes. It's not about the ones that didn't

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take it. It's the one that comes up. I love how

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you're processing this. Because that one that

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comes up, say it's one jalapeno plant, right?

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Well, that one jalapeno plant is going to have

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20, 30, 40, 50 jalapenos on it. And all of those

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will have 20 seeds. So some years ago, I was

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staying in Colorado and I grew a marijuana plant.

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And this marijuana plant yielded 4 ,000 seeds.

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Did you count them? Pretty much. Well, I did

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it in batches and I had to because I'm like,

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how? And it was on this massive metal tray. There

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was a bit of bud on it. So, yeah, that was my

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big seed crop. And I thought, well, if there's

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Armageddon and it's real. Are you sure it's 4

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,000 or are you sitting there going? No, because

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literally I got 100 seeds and then I'm laying

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them out. So I didn't physically count each one,

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but I visually laid how many have I got here.

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And it was thousands. I would have loved to have

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recorded that. It was a huge plant and it was

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so fertile. And it was just, I felt totally blessed

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because that's very rare. So how close am I on

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this? This is you counting. One, two. Whoa. Four.

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I got to four. Thousand. And it felt like I'd

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been counting for 4 ,000 years. So I mixed my

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numbers up. Whoa. And then went to eat some carrot

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cake because I had the munchies. You're looking

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at these hundred seeds like, whoa. It was a real

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spiritual moment, but not for the reasons that

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you're suggesting. I was absolutely floored because

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that had never happened before. And the thing

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about seeds is you could leave those in a drawer

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in a dark room for 4 ,000 years, 5, 10, whatever.

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They're not going to do anything. You have to

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tend to them. You have to give it, you have to

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give them life. So planting a seed and growing

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something is absolutely rewarding. Because without

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you, because it's like a little godlike environment,

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without you, you are the monotheistic god in

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their life because you've got to give it the

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right ecosystem to live in. So it's like a little

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godlike trip I'm on. Yeah, look at you. But let's

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talk about the seeds more because sometimes this

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is something that, you know, we're going and

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we're pulling some weeds out of the garden and

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we'll look at something and go. This is not a

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weed, but this is not something we planted. And

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it might be something that... Birds shit it out.

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That's one of them. So it's just a gift from

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nature. The wind has brought it over. Or maybe

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it's something that we had like two or three

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or four years ago. And it was just a dormant

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seed that just... found the right conditions,

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and now it's growing. So I think that that's

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really metaphoric for life because so many times

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we have these intentions. We get angry with life

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because we did this, we did this, we did everything

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right, but we didn't manifest yet. Well, the

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reason you haven't manifested it because you're

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on a low vibration, because you're frustrated,

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you've got to have faith. You've got to do all

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you can. But faith without works is dead. And

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it's the same the other way around. So if you're

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going, I've done all I can. God damn it. There's

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not a thing I've put. I've done it all. I've

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ticked all the boxes. You're not going to manifest

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a damn thing because it'll be a mirror of your

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vibration. So you're manifesting frustration

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being mirrored back to you because that's what

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you're putting into the quantum field. But we

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learned that the first year. We were here. And

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that's why three, four, five years later, we

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have what we call volunteers. Because we literally

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have volunteers. Right outside this window, if

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you look down and left from the studio, there's

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a mango tree there. A mango tree. We brought

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that from Jupiter, Florida when we moved here.

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We literally had a... like one of the rental,

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like a Ryder, or not Ryder, a Penske rental.

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Yes, yes. A trailer, it was full of plants that

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were on our patio. That, talk about a will to

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live. That mango tree has been frozen twice.

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God. It was run over by a car once. I mean, it's

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been through hell and back. The magic mango.

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So what happened the last time it was frozen,

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it grew up way, way tall. And then the leaves,

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just not the mangoes, but the leaves themselves

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were so heavy, it was falling over. And I propped

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it for like a year and a half. I tried to prop

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it up. It wouldn't stay up, wouldn't grow straight.

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I'm like, dang it. What do I do? So I literally

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went at eye level. And you can see the chop.

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And I just chopped it right at eye level with

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no, there were no branches. And all of a sudden

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it started putting out branches just like this.

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And it is the most beautiful. The Bible talks

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about pruning a lot. It's so beautiful. And that's

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a metaphor for life. You do have to prune and

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you have to be quite brutal about it. Extend

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the metaphor and tell me something that you've

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pruned that came back better. My hair. Really?

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Yes. My hair was broken and I decided I have

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to cut it all off and then I have to let it all

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grow again. and it came back thicker and stronger,

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so my own hair. But in planting, too, you have

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to prune things. They get leggy. I have it with

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my borgonvilliers. They were sending out big

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legs, so I pruned them, and I've made them much

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thicker now. But as a metaphor for life, you

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have to prune your own life. You have to get

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rid of... You've got to be quite brutal about

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it sometimes. You have to get rid of what is

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no longer useful to your flourishing. And so

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pruning in our life, which is, I'm sure, what

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the Bible is just all about, a lot of agricultural

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references pertaining to how we look at life.

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So pruning is vital. So let's talk, this is relevant

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because this past week, there's these couple

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categories of people that have repeatedly come

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into your life. Because when you're a giver,

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when you give freely, there's a lot of takers,

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right? You know, there's always this, how do

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you draw, I want to say yes to people, but I

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also don't want to be abused, right? I think

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the only question I would ask, am I getting pleasure

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out of this relationship? That would be the only

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thing I'd ask. It would be quite a yes or no,

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or it maybe could be nuanced. Well, it's really

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hard to tell, because if somebody's coming into

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my world, like here's an example. I got a call

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Thursday last week, so it was one week ago. One

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week ago, it was after studio last week. A person

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up in Michigan who knew somebody who knew somebody

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who knew somebody said that they should call

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me. Well, this woman's sister, stage four ovarian

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cancer, she's being sent away from the hospital.

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How old is she? Going to hospice. Early 60s.

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Being sent to hospice. So she gets a hold of

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me. The sister gets a hold of me. My sister's

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stage four ovarian cancer. She's going to home

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-based hospice. Can you help her? That's heartbreaking.

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And I'm like... My answer is if she's helpable,

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if she's able to be helped, I can help her. But

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at that stage, it's a wild card, right? So here's

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an example. Somebody comes into my world. You

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said, well, does it bring me joy? No, it's a

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pain in the ass. This is your job, though. This

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is not a friendship. This is a service that you're

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offering. So that would be different. It's not

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even a service I offer because I don't take money.

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No. Well, I'm not saying you do, but it's still

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a service. You're still saying, call me because

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I have a lot of knowledge that might be able

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to help you. That's the service part. So this

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is where I'm at. So you see, you use the standard,

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does it bring me joy? I was talking about friendships

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more. Okay. Yeah. Well, watch this though. Does

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it bring me joy? No. Every bit of this process

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is a pain in the butt. No, it doesn't bring me

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joy for the first 90 % of it does not bring me

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joy or brings me joy. Is that one person that

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comes back alive and lives 20 more years. Right?

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Yeah. So you have to take the hit with all of

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you. So even though it doesn't bring me joy in

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the short term. just like planting seeds yeah

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i gotta plant them and wait and wait and wait

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and wait and wait i think i think to whom much

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is given much is expected right so you you should

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share your knowledge and you are going to get

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a lot of difficult people and most people aren't

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going to want to do the things that you're going

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to ask them to do to implement changes in their

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life they might not even be consciously capable

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of it so it's quite unrewarding on on your part

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because but like you say if you get one person

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that's transformed that'll carry you through

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so this is this goes to a different question

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you know during this earth journey that we have

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we we have all these experiences what is the

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what what is it that's bringing me joy or bringing

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you joy is it the process or is it the end result

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it has to be the process because unless you enjoy

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the process there is no end result that's that's

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what i'm getting at because 90 of this experience

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is a pain in the butt so you have to figure out

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how do i make this joy yes Yeah, acceptance.

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And that's, you nailed it. You're so good at

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this game. Because this is like, okay, put myself

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in their shoes. The sister's at her wit's end.

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She's losing her sister. So what I look at is,

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I look at it as being an angel of peace and say,

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okay, look, your sister's either on her way out

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or on her way to improving. We don't know. So

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let's work together. To find out what we can

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do to bring her, if it's her last few days. Or

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as an extension. Or as an extension. It's funny

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because you're acting because you're a minister,

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aren't you? I am. So that's kind of your, you're

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in that role at the moment. And you didn't give

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an inflated hope because it's quite likely that

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she's going to pass on, isn't it? That's what

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you know. But I like, you're always very calm.

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And that's what I think that's what you're offering

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is your presence of mind and your calmness in

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that situation. Yeah. And so we talked. Thursday

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and Friday, and then I learned that this lady,

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her daughter's getting married this weekend,

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and her husband's got stage four cancer. Wow.

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A different type of cancer. They go out together.

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So I opened the door, but the reason I say this

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is by accepting the joy of just giving, giving

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freely, not expecting in return. Watch what happens

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now. she's able to go into this weekend with

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a little more joy. I don't know if it's daughter

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or daughter -in -law getting married, whatever.

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A little more joy, a little, just even a scant

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bit of more hope and the idea that, and now we're,

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we're looking at his, his cancer is way, way

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more. It's way easier than what she's dealing

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with because he's, he's way more. he's not as

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deep into the cancer as she was. Um, so he, I

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look at him and it's like, wow, this is, this

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is totally doable. We can totally, what he's

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got is totally, totally not a problem in my world.

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If he, if he's compliant, this is easy. I know

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people say, say it's for cancer really easy.

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I mean, you get some couples that have been married

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for years and they want to go with each other.

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So she goes first. He might be like, you know

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what? I'm just going to, well, this is actually,

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uh, the girl that's sick is her, her sister.

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And then the other person's her husband. Yeah,

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okay, yeah. But talk about the stress, the stress,

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the stress. But I like to be able to bring joy.

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And having to, yeah, just to face dying. I think

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it was Woody Allen that said, I don't care how

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I die and I'm not scared about dying. I just

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don't want to be around when it happens. right

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and I think it's but I the belief system I have

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is so airtight I don't want to be in pain when

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I die but if it's karmic I'd have to endure that

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but I have no problem to me I'm as dead now as

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I will ever be on this planet compared to what

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I've been in previous existences I've sent you

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a few things over the past few days, and they're

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all over the board. I haven't got to look at

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any of them. That's okay. That's okay. But one

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of the things that I've heard repeatedly, and

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I think I'll bounce it off of you, is this idea

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that all of us, we started off in the oneness,

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and then part of us, we're fractals. We are basically

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fractals of the infinite divine creator. We consciously

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split ourselves. We split ourselves to experience

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the polarity, right? Yeah. And when I was listening

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to this one person that was describing everything

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that we've, you know, this plus more about how

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the Garden of Eden represents this, how we came

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into this space unified and then split, and then

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the awareness of the split and the awareness

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of the... The awareness of the good and evil.

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Of the good and evil. Which wasn't our fall.

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That was actually our gift. And that's the problem.

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That was our gift. It wasn't a fall. No. Not

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in a moral sense. No. We were brave enough to

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take on dark forces. And that's what I sent you.

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I think it was this morning or yesterday. But

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that was my take on it. I came into this space

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intentionally. I literally descended. Yeah. I

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descended into this to experience this. And then

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you will ascend when it's over. And when I'm

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done, I'm going back home. So what I'm saying

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is that I like this. I want to have this conversation

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because when we talk about who are we and why

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are we here, what's this earth experience about?

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We're here to manifest reality. The journey is

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amazing. Well, the journey is critical because

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if you don't enjoy the journey, you're not going

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to manifest anything because the mirror world,

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the quantum field, is reflecting back your countenance.

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So the journey, you have to live like you are

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experiencing what you have on your vision board,

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all the vision for your life. You've got to act

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and embody that being real now to get the quantum

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field to reflect it back. So the journey has

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to be joyous, otherwise you'll never... get the

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outcome you want because it will keep reflecting

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back your low -grade state of consciousness so

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the journey is everything And the journey and

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the visions that you want, they're almost synonymous

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at some point because if you can embody it and

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sustain that, sustain the coherence, and Joe

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Dispenza talks about this, you've got to embody

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who you would be if this was happening right

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now. And our visions vary in their ambition,

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but you have to embody that and then sustain

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that until it's coherent. That changes the signal

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and you get a reflection back. But if you've

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just got this big vision and you're hating the

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journey because all you want is your vision.

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to come true nothing will happen you'll go around

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the same old mountain over and over again something

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else I sent you this week I think I sent you

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I sent you whenever something's novel I think

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oh my god Sarah needs to see this you know but

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there's no hurry on any of it I just I listen

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to these when I'm in bed but I've been writing

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so I'll have a binge because I don't like to

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watch TV that much so I listen so I'll watch

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so I saw this thing There's a lot of technology

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now that can actually look at the energetics

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of, say, a plant. So if you took a, let's just

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say, because we talked about a marijuana leaf,

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right? A carrot. A carrot. But, you know, when

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you look at the leaf, that's where the activity

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is because that's the receiver for the photosynthesis,

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right? So in this case, I saw this person, they

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took an image of the leaf. So you could see there's

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like a video of the leaf, but they overlaid.

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this camera that saw the energetic. Wow, that's

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incredible. It was like the photonics. You're

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looking at the photonics overlaid on top of the

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leaf itself. You saw the image of the energy

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that the leaf was... The molecular structure

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of the energy that it was emitting. It was amazing

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to see. It sounds like a mushroom trip. But this

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freaked me out a little bit. Because they took

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the leaf and then while the video was going,

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they snipped like... The tip, like the top, like

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the tip of the leaf, like one third. They snipped

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the leaf off and took the top of the leaf off.

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I can't believe my heart is bleeding for a marijuana

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leaf that's been snipped. What happened to the

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energy? Well, this one wasn't a marijuana leaf.

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It looked like a beech tree or something like

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that. What happened to the energy structure?

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This is what's weird. They took the tip of the

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leaf off, but the energy structure, the shape

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of the energy remained. The energy, the imprint

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of the energy stayed. So the leaf, the energy

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of the leaf stayed exactly where it was, even

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though it lost its tip. Lost part of it, yeah.

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So I thought that was fascinating. So what's

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that all about then? How would you read into

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that spiritually? It's the morphic resonance.

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You just mentioned it. Ah, okay. You see? So

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what came first? What came first? Was it the...

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energy that formed the leaf or the leaf that

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formed the energy so there you go so when they

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took the tip of the leaf off so that's so that's

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unbelievable so you you saw the morphic resonance

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explained to you in that video in real time because

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how else do you explain that yeah right you literally

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you're looking at the energetics of a leaf a

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real live leaf and you cut it off Because in

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my mind I was going, ah, because I had this,

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I was kind of going Disney on it. Disney? You're

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such a princess. The leaf was cut off and then

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I had these molecules all collapsing around it

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and not being this beautiful structure anymore.

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And so when you said it actually stayed the same

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and it wasn't affected by the destruction of

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the leaf, I was back in a happy place again.

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And then because, but that's incredible. So the

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energy is there to begin with and that would

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be the quantum field. There it is. That's in

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the quantum field. Now we're doing this with

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this leaf of this plant. So this is a very, this

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is not the complexity of a human being, but the

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morphic resonance is there. So it makes you,

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you know, just by extension, this is, we're just

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talking about one leaf of a plant, but by extension,

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when your mom and dad decided to have a little

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baby girl or have a baby. Well, they didn't.

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She just got knocked up. When your mom. Eating

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carrot cake. When your mom was eating carrot

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cake and somebody was attracted to that and knocked

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her up. It was the carrot. But whenever that

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happened, well, that's not true because you'd

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be a carrot top. I would. And you're a blonde,

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so that's not right. But think about this. So

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somebody conceives a child. What comes next?

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Is it the morphic field, the resonance? Maybe

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the cellular structure. grows into the image

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of the energetic imprint but it has to grow into

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the image but the image has to be available prior

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to it growing into it so the image has to be

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there prior to it growing that's what i'm saying

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so if you listen you've i think you've quoted

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or you've talked about rupert sheldrake before

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He's really big on the Morphic. Oh, yeah. I haven't

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listened to him probably for 10 years. I want

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to just give a quick shout -out, just while it's

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on my mind. So Buddha at the Gas Pump, he's got

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750 in -depth interviews talking about world

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religions, and that's where I first was acquainted

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with Rupert Sheldrake. It's Rick Archer, Buddha

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at the Gas Pump. If you're interested in any

00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:11.759
of this, go to his website. He's absolutely wonderful.

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His body of knowledge, he's such a cool dude.

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Can you send me the link? link and i'll put it

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in the show yeah the gas pump that's where i

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was introduced to robert sheldrake and other

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scientists that are talking about the same thing

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and there's lots so if you find the section that

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rupert sheldrake's and then you've got all the

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other um scientists who are talking about that

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and it's fascinating yeah rupert sheldrake is

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it's probably been 10 15 years when i first heard

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about him and then i didn't hear about him for

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a long time i don't even know if he's still around

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i guess he is but he's pushing it in age maybe

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But when you listen to that, it forces you to

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think. Because, you know, when we consider like

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Tesla and Tesla always talking about, if you

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really want to understand the world, think about,

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you know, energy frequency and resonance, right?

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I'm like, okay, well, energy frequency resonance.

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Yeah. That sounds a lot. Yeah. But start mapping

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spiritually what they are, because what I'm working

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on is this project of aligning the quantum sciences

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with spirituality and philosophy. And it's really

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important. Don't rely on religion and spirituality.

00:26:21.470 --> 00:26:23.569
There's other elements to consider. When you

00:26:23.569 --> 00:26:25.640
say you're working on it, what... You have like

00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:29.059
a bunch of projects. Well, I've just published

00:26:29.059 --> 00:26:31.259
the book that's going with this. I'm going to

00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:33.880
announce it probably more formally in a couple

00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:35.799
of weeks. There's a couple of things I need to

00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:37.539
get done with the website, but I'd like to do

00:26:37.539 --> 00:26:40.000
a show on this and I'll make it formal. But this

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.180
is what I've been working on. This has been my

00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:46.660
project now to create an airtight belief system.

00:26:47.099 --> 00:26:49.940
And this belief system has philosophy, spirituality

00:26:49.940 --> 00:26:53.380
and science, the quantum sciences. So for those

00:26:53.380 --> 00:26:56.720
of you listening the first time, I usually introduce

00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.119
Sarah as an author and a thinker and a philosopher.

00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.259
But Sarah, just for those of you listening, just

00:27:02.259 --> 00:27:04.480
fill in the blanks there just in a minute about

00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:07.799
what your history is in terms of an author. Because

00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.920
you're arguably one of the most prolific authors

00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.920
I've personally known in my life. Well, I write

00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.180
about ideas. I write about ideas to flesh my

00:27:19.180 --> 00:27:23.000
ideas out. And ideas are the only thing that

00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.720
we have. and we have to share them peacefully.

00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:27.799
Otherwise, we're just going to fight and go to

00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:29.980
war with each other. So I just write about ideas.

00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.660
The ideas I write about predominantly is spirituality.

00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.700
I've written a novel about reincarnation and

00:27:36.700 --> 00:27:40.819
karma, and I've overlaid myself as the heroine

00:27:40.819 --> 00:27:43.660
in that novel. It's pretty audacious, and I challenge

00:27:43.660 --> 00:27:45.900
God. I go to heaven, and I'm like, what the fuck?

00:27:45.900 --> 00:27:47.579
What are you doing creating this? Because I'm

00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:49.339
so appalled with what's going on on planet Earth.

00:27:49.460 --> 00:27:52.279
So that sets the tone for that novel. The Mirror

00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:55.839
World was my... at using the metaphor of a reality

00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:59.640
TV game. If this is going on and we are living

00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.779
in a quantum field, this is what this looks like.

00:28:03.019 --> 00:28:05.400
And that was just a metaphor in 8 ,000 words.

00:28:05.460 --> 00:28:07.460
So that's available. It's a 45 -minute read,

00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:10.759
but I was able to distill language very succinctly

00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.799
in that because these are very complicated things

00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.180
to talk about. But the written word makes it

00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:17.859
easy. You can spend 15 minutes on one sentence.

00:28:17.980 --> 00:28:20.839
So writing my ideas is what I've been doing.

00:28:21.140 --> 00:28:23.869
And I wrote a poem. is this the best God could

00:28:23.869 --> 00:28:27.230
do and that basically takes apart the monotheistic

00:28:27.230 --> 00:28:30.109
idea of God that God is separate and that's 20

00:28:30.109 --> 00:28:34.569
chapters of picking that apart why this is not

00:28:34.569 --> 00:28:38.430
a good idea and then the books that I continue

00:28:38.430 --> 00:28:41.869
to write are going to be well what is a good

00:28:41.869 --> 00:28:45.210
idea then if you've debunked this idea then what

00:28:45.210 --> 00:28:47.130
is a good belief system and that's what I've

00:28:47.130 --> 00:28:51.099
been working on recently so and then I can't

00:28:51.099 --> 00:28:53.079
imagine... And those are kids' books as well.

00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.180
I've got that whole thing. Science fiction, fantasy

00:28:55.180 --> 00:29:00.779
screenplays. Writing sci -fi is... My heart is

00:29:00.779 --> 00:29:04.319
in that. I love writing science fiction. So the

00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.740
star -side prophecy is sci -fi fantasy, but it's

00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:10.819
not. There's an element of what I believe a belief

00:29:10.819 --> 00:29:17.279
system is overlaid over that. Gotcha. Now, but

00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.650
you're building this catechism, so... What inspired

00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:22.950
you to pull this all together into a catechism?

00:29:23.250 --> 00:29:25.490
I understand generally what the catechism, maybe

00:29:25.490 --> 00:29:28.049
for the people listeners, what is the catechism

00:29:28.049 --> 00:29:30.730
about, but what inspired you? Well, I'd like

00:29:30.730 --> 00:29:33.309
to announce this in a couple of weeks. If we

00:29:33.309 --> 00:29:35.130
can suspend it now. I actually have something

00:29:35.130 --> 00:29:37.190
I wanted to go over with you. If we can just

00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:39.589
hold on for two weeks, because what I want to

00:29:39.589 --> 00:29:42.210
do is read the catechism out. And that's going

00:29:42.210 --> 00:29:44.210
to take about probably an hour and a half. So

00:29:44.210 --> 00:29:46.710
I want to supply the audio. So it's quite easy.

00:29:46.730 --> 00:29:49.390
It's quite digestible. And then once I have the

00:29:49.390 --> 00:29:51.109
audio, audio available then we can make that

00:29:51.109 --> 00:29:53.190
available and then we can start picking it apart

00:29:53.190 --> 00:29:55.490
and that point you can listen to it or read it

00:29:55.490 --> 00:29:57.609
and then we but i'd like to do more of a formal

00:29:57.609 --> 00:30:00.789
launch Okay, sounds good. Now, but you had some

00:30:00.789 --> 00:30:02.470
other stuff to talk about today. Yeah, so in

00:30:02.470 --> 00:30:06.269
a few of our last episodes, and just randomly,

00:30:06.750 --> 00:30:10.170
we've been talking about all the greedy psychopaths

00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:13.150
in the world, right? And there's a couple of

00:30:13.150 --> 00:30:15.150
times, bless you, that you've got frustrated

00:30:15.150 --> 00:30:16.670
with me because you're like, well, what the fuck?

00:30:16.710 --> 00:30:18.450
You don't use the word fuck, but like, what the

00:30:18.450 --> 00:30:20.390
F does it matter, Sarah? They're psychopaths.

00:30:20.390 --> 00:30:22.349
We need to take care of it. But the question

00:30:22.349 --> 00:30:25.589
that always arises, what is their motive with

00:30:25.589 --> 00:30:28.480
me? And it just arose again. you know what i'm

00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.579
just going to ask desmond why why is the motive

00:30:31.579 --> 00:30:34.519
what is the motive behind this and i was very

00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:36.539
happy that he churned out this so just give me

00:30:36.539 --> 00:30:46.839
a second i want to read this out okay okay greed

00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:50.079
arises not from abundance but from spiritual

00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:54.059
starvation the soul mistaking accumulation for

00:30:54.059 --> 00:30:58.140
connection So that's the motive of greedy people,

00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:03.119
because they have no spiritual connection. I

00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.500
mean, they're adrift and thinking the more they

00:31:05.500 --> 00:31:08.079
get, the somehow more satisfying they're going

00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.500
to be, but they're completely adrift from their

00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:13.039
soul component. And I think that's what's been

00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.900
bugging me. Because why are they doing that?

00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:19.900
I mean, you're just, you have no... It's almost

00:31:19.900 --> 00:31:22.359
as if you're existing bereft of your connection

00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:24.720
to the divine. I mean, you're severed, it sounds

00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.119
like. So you and I have covered this in the past.

00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:29.740
We've had this conversation about what is an

00:31:29.740 --> 00:31:34.339
NPC, a non -participating character or a non

00:31:34.339 --> 00:31:37.759
-playing character. I listened to something a

00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:39.539
couple of days ago that was fascinating. It was

00:31:39.539 --> 00:31:42.420
an individual saying, this is how you can tell

00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:48.960
an NPC from a real live soul. a soul that's actually

00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.279
alive and functioning and aware and present.

00:31:52.220 --> 00:31:56.619
And it was a really elegant answer. And it has

00:31:56.619 --> 00:32:00.920
to do with an awareness and the internal script,

00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:03.700
the internal narrative, not the external narrative,

00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.579
because an NPC would sit in front of you and

00:32:07.579 --> 00:32:09.440
whatever you talk about, it's going to burp it

00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.799
back up to you. If you're talking about sports

00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:13.359
scores, it's going to talk to you about sports

00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.799
scores. Like Desmond. Yeah, like Desmond. It's

00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:17.970
just going to burp up. some string of information

00:32:17.970 --> 00:32:20.849
and burp it up back to you, but there's no awareness.

00:32:21.910 --> 00:32:25.009
Awareness means you ask me about sports scores,

00:32:25.230 --> 00:32:27.230
I'll tell you about sports scores, but then I'm

00:32:27.230 --> 00:32:28.569
going to say, well, I wonder why you're bringing

00:32:28.569 --> 00:32:32.230
that up now. What's your interest in that? Why

00:32:32.230 --> 00:32:36.029
am I interested in sports? Should I be less interested

00:32:36.029 --> 00:32:38.809
in sports? Or Sarah seems to be very interested,

00:32:38.950 --> 00:32:41.390
maybe I should be more interested. Sports are

00:32:41.390 --> 00:32:43.509
fascinating. And then I'll start having these

00:32:43.509 --> 00:32:46.779
internal dialogues. And that's something that

00:32:46.779 --> 00:32:52.059
these NPCs don't do. They don't ask about themselves.

00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.680
Like if they behave a certain way, they don't

00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.059
say, gosh, I wonder why I got... Like here's

00:32:58.059 --> 00:33:00.700
an example. So there's no self -analysis. Yeah,

00:33:00.700 --> 00:33:03.279
exactly. Here's an example. When you came in,

00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.940
we started the show a little bit late because

00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:07.519
I had a Zoom call that was supposed to start

00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.869
at 11. And the person didn't shoot. They're five

00:33:10.869 --> 00:33:13.069
minutes late. I texted, hey, are we doing this

00:33:13.069 --> 00:33:16.670
or not? I bumped my studio time. I bumped my

00:33:16.670 --> 00:33:20.250
1130, my studio time from 11 to 1130. Are we

00:33:20.250 --> 00:33:22.630
doing this or not? Oh, I'm sorry. I'll be right

00:33:22.630 --> 00:33:27.289
there. Time's ticking off. Now it's 1115. And

00:33:27.289 --> 00:33:29.609
I'm like, OK, look, my girl's going to be showing

00:33:29.609 --> 00:33:31.369
up at the door. I'm going to get to the studio.

00:33:32.130 --> 00:33:34.369
Oh, no, the other person's coming on now. So

00:33:34.369 --> 00:33:37.759
the three of us went on. I crammed. I crammed

00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:41.700
30 minutes into 12 minutes. But to me, it's just

00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:46.000
like, wow. My internal dialogue was like... Oh,

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.059
mine would have been flipping out. I can't stand

00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:50.480
it when people are late. I'm okay if you've got

00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.779
a decent reason. I'm perfectly reasonable. But

00:33:52.779 --> 00:33:56.079
here's... My internal dialogue was, what could

00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:58.799
I have done better? Am I talking to the wrong

00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.319
person? We're talking about some business here.

00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.839
We're talking about some very big business. And...

00:34:06.190 --> 00:34:08.170
I did what I needed to. I looked. I said, man,

00:34:08.269 --> 00:34:10.090
maybe did I miss something? No, they confirmed

00:34:10.090 --> 00:34:13.530
everything. So I had this internal dialogue.

00:34:14.190 --> 00:34:16.869
Immediately, like even five minutes, did I do

00:34:16.869 --> 00:34:19.429
everything I could do to make this happen on

00:34:19.429 --> 00:34:23.050
time? That was the first dialogue. Then the second

00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:25.789
dialogue was, damn right I did. I did everything

00:34:25.789 --> 00:34:28.670
correctly. They confirmed it, and it was not

00:34:28.670 --> 00:34:31.610
a week ago. It was yesterday. It was yesterday.

00:34:32.070 --> 00:34:34.920
So I'm going through. So you're just processing

00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.280
all this data. So I know I'm not a zombie. I'm

00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.619
not an NPC. So you took accountability immediately.

00:34:39.940 --> 00:34:41.739
Is this something I've done? Have I dropped the

00:34:41.739 --> 00:34:43.599
ball? And you wrote that off. So now you feel

00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:45.980
more stable again because you don't want to do

00:34:45.980 --> 00:34:47.679
that. You'd want to fix that next time. So the

00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.239
next question is, were the two ladies I was talking

00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:55.039
to, are they NPCs? Right? So they come on and

00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.619
they're like, the first one was. Oh, my God,

00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.400
I'm so sorry. I simply lost track of time. I

00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.579
need to be doing better about this. Oh, that

00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:04.519
was nice. So she owned it. That's nice. She owned

00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.280
it. And she says, I said, well, where's the other

00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.739
person that was supposed to be on here? And she's

00:35:09.739 --> 00:35:12.599
like, that's on me, too, because I didn't confirm

00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:14.340
it with her. I told her it was going to happen,

00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:18.840
and I didn't confirm it. And then the second

00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.480
girl came on, and she's like, I'm so excited

00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.099
to be here. I've been looking forward to this.

00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:27.559
So both of them. expressed their internal dialogue

00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.260
to me, which is evidence to me that I'm not talking

00:35:31.260 --> 00:35:34.260
to a zombie. Because they both expressed how

00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:37.880
they felt or why they did or did not do something.

00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:44.059
So now I do have family members where I haven't

00:35:44.059 --> 00:35:46.280
talked to them for years, not because I don't

00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.199
love them. I love them dearly from a distance.

00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:52.599
But when I go there, it's always about the Game

00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:56.130
of Thrones. And who got killed? Their soul is

00:35:56.130 --> 00:35:58.369
absent. They're caught up in, I used to call

00:35:58.369 --> 00:36:00.570
it the ego mind, but I've changed that term now

00:36:00.570 --> 00:36:03.469
to conditioned mind. And it's just all the data

00:36:03.469 --> 00:36:05.510
that you've accumulated is just going around

00:36:05.510 --> 00:36:07.269
and around in circles and then you're relating

00:36:07.269 --> 00:36:09.949
that into the external. But there doesn't seem

00:36:09.949 --> 00:36:13.610
to be an anchoring of awareness. And that's why

00:36:13.610 --> 00:36:16.050
it feels like a zombie because they're just spewing

00:36:16.050 --> 00:36:18.969
out data and the conditioned responses they've

00:36:18.969 --> 00:36:22.550
had so far to life. And I've met people like

00:36:22.550 --> 00:36:24.170
that where you've... feel that they are slightly

00:36:24.170 --> 00:36:27.329
whether you don't feel they're awake and i like

00:36:27.329 --> 00:36:29.469
what you said conditioned response because so

00:36:29.469 --> 00:36:32.409
many times we're like one of the things i love

00:36:32.409 --> 00:36:36.070
about this doing the studio time with you is

00:36:36.070 --> 00:36:41.130
every single week i i get novelty this because

00:36:41.130 --> 00:36:44.409
i don't know from moment to moment week to week

00:36:44.409 --> 00:36:47.489
what our topics are going to be where we're going

00:36:47.489 --> 00:36:50.699
to go we might talk about Your catechism, or

00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:53.440
we might talk about Web 3, or it'll be politics,

00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:56.380
or the price of silver. Or carrots. Or carrots.

00:36:56.900 --> 00:36:59.619
It could be all over the place. But what I love

00:36:59.619 --> 00:37:01.980
about it is there's no novelty. It's not like

00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:04.369
you're just sitting there. You're just not throwing

00:37:04.369 --> 00:37:06.469
facts and figures in there. So that's interesting.

00:37:06.989 --> 00:37:09.190
So to be around a person that does that, there's

00:37:09.190 --> 00:37:11.389
no novelty because you'll just feel like you're

00:37:11.389 --> 00:37:14.110
talking to a computer. You don't feel that there's

00:37:14.110 --> 00:37:17.429
any spontaneity, any awareness, any willingness

00:37:17.429 --> 00:37:22.170
to step out of known territory. And it's very,

00:37:22.230 --> 00:37:24.869
very dull. It's very boring to be around people

00:37:24.869 --> 00:37:27.409
like that because they're just spouting what

00:37:27.409 --> 00:37:30.789
they've spouted so many times before. But I think

00:37:30.789 --> 00:37:33.260
they're just in conditioned mind response. They

00:37:33.260 --> 00:37:35.800
haven't stopped thinking and they haven't learned

00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.960
to... understand the still small voice that's

00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.719
there all the time it's in them it's just so

00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:44.880
buried and you have to control your mind to access

00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.380
that so i think they're just they're just stuck

00:37:47.380 --> 00:37:49.739
in thought forms and in complete identification

00:37:49.739 --> 00:37:51.960
with the thought forms that external reality

00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.840
will be mirroring back to them so they've now

00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.699
got their thought forms and then they've got

00:37:56.699 --> 00:37:59.500
evidence that they're right because the quantum

00:37:59.500 --> 00:38:02.059
field is mirroring back their state of consciousness

00:38:02.059 --> 00:38:04.900
so there's a just a complete reality it's self

00:38:04.900 --> 00:38:08.079
-fulfilling yeah so you know what's as you're

00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:12.659
speaking you know the conditioned response it's

00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:14.760
almost like they can see like if i'm talking

00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.639
say to i won't even say but say somebody from

00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:21.320
my past no sooner i'm two -thirds through the

00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.940
sentence when they when they think they know

00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:26.860
oh it's so fucking annoying just like you just

00:38:26.860 --> 00:38:32.480
did it i just did it i'm two -thirds through

00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.869
the sentence And they're like, they think they

00:38:34.869 --> 00:38:37.809
know what I'm about to say. Yeah. But what I've

00:38:37.809 --> 00:38:40.269
learned to do. Is play a game with them. I change

00:38:40.269 --> 00:38:43.230
the sentence. Like, you think you can finish

00:38:43.230 --> 00:38:46.610
my sandwich. And, right, you change the sentence.

00:38:46.610 --> 00:38:49.230
Good. That's a cool game. But it's kind of fun.

00:38:49.329 --> 00:38:51.230
Well, let me tell you a cool game we do at the

00:38:51.230 --> 00:38:52.789
restaurants. You might get a smack in the mouth

00:38:52.789 --> 00:38:54.530
if someone realizes what you're doing. But what

00:38:54.530 --> 00:38:57.969
I've learned to do is, I was getting, there was

00:38:57.969 --> 00:39:01.750
people in my circles. Excuse me. Because once

00:39:01.750 --> 00:39:03.730
people get to know you a little bit. They think

00:39:03.730 --> 00:39:07.409
they can finish your sentences. And not only

00:39:07.409 --> 00:39:10.250
do they think they can finish, but they're introducing

00:39:10.250 --> 00:39:14.250
their next idea before you're even done with

00:39:14.250 --> 00:39:16.449
your sentence. Yes. Well, they already rehearsed

00:39:16.449 --> 00:39:18.250
it. They're just rehearsing. Right. While you're

00:39:18.250 --> 00:39:19.769
talking, they're rehearsing what they want. So

00:39:19.769 --> 00:39:21.789
what that means is they're not actively listening.

00:39:21.909 --> 00:39:24.070
That's right. So what I learned to do, because

00:39:24.070 --> 00:39:27.469
when we go through this earth space, we're learning.

00:39:27.550 --> 00:39:29.590
I learn from you. You learn from me. We learn

00:39:29.590 --> 00:39:32.880
from... nature from circumstances, touch the

00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.320
stove. I learned, uh, experience some great orgasm

00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.519
about something I've learned. So we're always

00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:41.960
learning from good and from bad, from what we

00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:44.699
like, what we don't like. So I learned that when

00:39:44.699 --> 00:39:49.019
people were interrupting me, I felt not listened.

00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.019
Yeah. So I felt like they were not listening

00:39:51.019 --> 00:39:54.199
to me. They weren't, they weren't. And so it's

00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:56.840
like, well, so what is communication? So I'm

00:39:56.840 --> 00:40:00.119
sitting here talking to you. What is communication?

00:40:00.219 --> 00:40:05.019
The communication model has a sender, a receiver.

00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.280
So I've got a sender, a receiver, a message,

00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:12.000
a medium, and a mode, but most importantly, feedback.

00:40:12.780 --> 00:40:15.199
And what I realized was when I'm talking to these

00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:18.659
NPCs and they're just vomiting words on me without

00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:22.039
even listening to letting me close my phrase

00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:26.570
or my sentence. I was sitting there going, you're

00:40:26.570 --> 00:40:28.130
not even listening to me. You're just vomiting

00:40:28.130 --> 00:40:32.070
words on me. I didn't feel like... Validated,

00:40:32.070 --> 00:40:34.429
heard. Like even heard. Even heard. Like you're

00:40:34.429 --> 00:40:36.489
not even thinking about the sentence I just said.

00:40:36.530 --> 00:40:38.210
You're already just vomiting words. Your mind's

00:40:38.210 --> 00:40:40.070
in computer mode. You're in conditioned responses.

00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:42.610
You're not choosing your thoughts, let alone

00:40:42.610 --> 00:40:44.719
the words that will follow them. You're just

00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.059
you're just sleep. Gurdjieff, who was a Russian

00:40:47.059 --> 00:40:49.400
mystic. Have you heard of Gurdjieff? Yes. Yeah.

00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:52.659
So he talked about that man is asleep, that we're

00:40:52.659 --> 00:40:55.260
asleep and we have to wake up while we're here.

00:40:55.340 --> 00:40:57.719
That was the fourth way, I think he called that.

00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.059
And you have to wake up to being conscious that

00:41:01.059 --> 00:41:04.760
you're just asleep. And I've been asleep. I've

00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.420
actually fallen in and out of consciousness all

00:41:06.420 --> 00:41:09.380
my life. I was able to be the watcher behind

00:41:09.380 --> 00:41:12.039
my thoughts as a child. It was something I'd

00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:14.079
written about in my novel The Star Side Prophecy,

00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:15.880
so I won't go into it now, but it was a very

00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.440
important moment in my development because I

00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.219
was able to separate my consciousness from my

00:41:21.219 --> 00:41:23.860
thinking mind very early on as a child, so I

00:41:23.860 --> 00:41:27.239
was watching that. And where I was was a beautiful

00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.940
space. It was very, very quiet and peaceful,

00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.059
but it was like a blissful... peacefulness to

00:41:33.059 --> 00:41:35.079
it and I was just I was outside well I'm just

00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:39.300
going to tell you now I was outside And I was

00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:40.920
walking up to the sweet shop in England when

00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:44.519
I was seven and I just stopped and all my thoughts

00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.599
dropped out of my head and I was just in pure

00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.920
awareness. And I was watching the chimney come

00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:50.860
out the chimney stack. There was a cat that walked

00:41:50.860 --> 00:41:53.079
across the street. I could hear the birds, hear

00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:55.900
a bit of traffic. The feeling was absolute inner

00:41:55.900 --> 00:41:57.820
peace. That's what I remember most about it.

00:41:57.980 --> 00:42:02.719
So I was fortunate that I spontaneously went

00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:04.800
in and out of that state of mind all my life.

00:42:04.940 --> 00:42:07.820
And then I learned to recapture that so I can...

00:42:07.849 --> 00:42:11.429
spontaneously go back in and recapture presence

00:42:11.429 --> 00:42:15.369
and awareness and where but i have been caught

00:42:15.369 --> 00:42:19.070
in thought form so me fit i would have been the

00:42:19.070 --> 00:42:20.889
person that you're talking about might have cut

00:42:20.889 --> 00:42:23.369
you off might not have been listening rehearsing

00:42:23.369 --> 00:42:25.769
what i'm going to say next because i think it's

00:42:25.769 --> 00:42:27.789
going to make me look a certain way i could be

00:42:27.789 --> 00:42:30.949
virtue signaling and i'm not using this conversation

00:42:30.949 --> 00:42:35.130
in a way that i've learned how conversation should

00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:38.130
be valued So I've done it myself. I think that's

00:42:38.130 --> 00:42:41.269
pure gold. I love what you said. So with all

00:42:41.269 --> 00:42:43.150
of my experiences with these people that cut

00:42:43.150 --> 00:42:46.949
you off, what it made me feel like was I might

00:42:46.949 --> 00:42:49.869
as well not even talk. So literally, I go in

00:42:49.869 --> 00:42:54.030
to see some of my family gatherings, not immediate

00:42:54.030 --> 00:42:56.869
family, but extended family. And I literally

00:42:56.869 --> 00:42:59.690
just go there and I'm quiet. And I will go there

00:42:59.690 --> 00:43:02.849
for many hours and maybe just say a few words.

00:43:03.030 --> 00:43:05.590
Yeah. And it's not because I'm angry. It's just

00:43:05.590 --> 00:43:08.489
that... What I've done in those situations is

00:43:08.489 --> 00:43:10.449
steer the conversation just for entertainment

00:43:10.449 --> 00:43:15.309
value because you're aware that they're just

00:43:15.309 --> 00:43:18.889
stuck in their little processing. So at least

00:43:18.889 --> 00:43:21.469
in that situation, ask them to talk about something

00:43:21.469 --> 00:43:24.329
that's either entertaining or funny. So you would

00:43:24.329 --> 00:43:25.869
end up having to steer them because they're not

00:43:25.869 --> 00:43:28.989
conscious of what they're doing. So that NPC

00:43:28.989 --> 00:43:32.269
now becomes, oh, you could just sit there, couldn't

00:43:32.269 --> 00:43:34.449
you? And you could just enjoy it. Well, no, that's

00:43:34.449 --> 00:43:36.610
where I end up being. A glass of wine helps.

00:43:36.989 --> 00:43:39.789
But I'd just be a peaceful observer. Yes. And

00:43:39.789 --> 00:43:41.170
if you're having fun. And I don't have to be

00:43:41.170 --> 00:43:43.329
a person. You don't want to be there peacefully

00:43:43.329 --> 00:43:45.789
and be resenting it, though. No, I don't resent

00:43:45.789 --> 00:43:47.630
anything. I'm just sitting there. It's like,

00:43:47.710 --> 00:43:50.090
I'm here. Might as well enjoy it. And that's

00:43:50.090 --> 00:43:53.090
my whole life. If I'm stuck in traffic, I'm like,

00:43:53.210 --> 00:43:56.099
might as well enjoy it. Yeah. No, I'm like that.

00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:59.239
I completely surrender to the moment really quickly

00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.619
because the reaction to the moment causes more

00:44:01.619 --> 00:44:04.360
of the same. So if you do have free will, which

00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:05.800
I don't know if we do because we're not sure

00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:07.980
where thoughts come from, but if we do, it's

00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:10.619
always with your reaction. So you've really got

00:44:10.619 --> 00:44:12.219
to not buy it back if you're stuck in traffic.

00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:13.659
Well, even when these girls were late coming

00:44:13.659 --> 00:44:16.340
on the Zoom call just now, I was like... Cool.

00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.820
Five minutes. I got stuff to do in five minutes.

00:44:18.940 --> 00:44:22.260
I can totally, I have so many tasks. I just find

00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.480
the five minute task and plug it in there. Right.

00:44:24.579 --> 00:44:25.960
Like it's not a thing for me. Exactly. You can

00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:27.800
edit a couple of things, can't you? So what I've

00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.960
learned to do is. Can I ask you though, was part

00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:32.880
of you irritated? And did you, I mean, cause

00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.659
you're always very calm. I would never know.

00:44:35.469 --> 00:44:38.750
Were you irritated? But their response was sincere,

00:44:38.869 --> 00:44:40.730
though. They had said, I need to be better with

00:44:40.730 --> 00:44:42.769
time management. I've forgotten. And she said

00:44:42.769 --> 00:44:46.650
that she'd been looking forward to it. But timekeeping,

00:44:46.769 --> 00:44:48.710
I think I have to loosen up about it. I'm quite

00:44:48.710 --> 00:44:51.389
brittle about it. It means something to me. And

00:44:51.389 --> 00:44:53.289
I think it's conditioning maybe from my father.

00:44:53.570 --> 00:44:56.110
But to me, it was like a respect for your time.

00:44:56.329 --> 00:44:58.909
That if I'm doing this and I'm busy, I've got

00:44:58.909 --> 00:45:01.170
a lot of things to do. The fact that you're keeping

00:45:01.170 --> 00:45:05.780
me waiting 20 minutes is irritating. I would

00:45:05.780 --> 00:45:08.260
say a little bit of everything you said. I mean,

00:45:08.300 --> 00:45:12.519
my initial response was, what the hell? I was

00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.639
like, what the hell? And then when it became

00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.340
clear that it was going to be a few more minutes,

00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:19.639
then I was just like, well, I'm going to make

00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:21.719
use of this time. Took care of a couple of things,

00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:24.099
replied to a couple of emails, worked on a little.

00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:26.119
I mean, I just had a bunch of little stuff I

00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:30.599
did. To me, it's not a big deal. Let me just

00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:32.460
wrap this up because what I've learned to do

00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:37.639
is I've. Number one, taking a position almost

00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:42.699
always as a peaceful observer. I do now. It's

00:45:42.699 --> 00:45:46.460
just such a great place. It's relaxing. I don't

00:45:46.460 --> 00:45:49.559
feel like I need to say anything. I don't feel

00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.000
like I need to respond. In fact, it's something

00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.219
interesting. That's very spiritual. This past

00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:59.000
week, I had multiple interactions with other

00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.079
business people. I'm working on some major projects.

00:46:04.030 --> 00:46:08.750
Taking up a position of peaceful observer, it

00:46:08.750 --> 00:46:14.289
makes them perceive me as being very wise, which

00:46:14.289 --> 00:46:17.070
was fascinating. That's interesting. Because

00:46:17.070 --> 00:46:18.550
I would sit there, they would say something,

00:46:18.690 --> 00:46:22.070
and I would just sit and contemplate, just for

00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:27.699
a few seconds, what they just said. Were you

00:46:27.699 --> 00:46:31.239
using it as a power move to manipulate them to

00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.460
think that you were wise? Because you could do

00:46:34.460 --> 00:46:37.699
that. Or is a peaceful observer the place where

00:46:37.699 --> 00:46:39.519
you learn more than you did initially? Because

00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:41.480
I don't want to hear myself talk. If I'm in a

00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.300
business negotiation, I know what I think. And

00:46:44.300 --> 00:46:47.280
I will need you to know what I think. But being

00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.539
a peaceful observer is how you get information

00:46:49.539 --> 00:46:52.679
to keep this project rolling forward. Well, you

00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:57.079
addressed four different issues there. But what

00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:01.139
I would say is, no, I don't manipulate people

00:47:01.139 --> 00:47:03.360
at all. Because you could do that. Because it

00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:08.579
does look wise, and it is wise, because you should

00:47:08.579 --> 00:47:11.320
want to be listening to all this information.

00:47:11.539 --> 00:47:13.699
But there are times that you talk as well. So

00:47:13.699 --> 00:47:17.519
I think peaceful observer is definitely a superpower.

00:47:18.099 --> 00:47:21.510
Well, when I go into a negotiation... The first

00:47:21.510 --> 00:47:23.989
third of it, the first one third of it is fact

00:47:23.989 --> 00:47:26.130
-finding. I want to find out who they are, what

00:47:26.130 --> 00:47:28.630
they're about, what are their interests. So the

00:47:28.630 --> 00:47:30.809
peaceful observer comes after that, once you've

00:47:30.809 --> 00:47:32.989
done your fact -finding. Well, I mean, I can

00:47:32.989 --> 00:47:35.269
ask an open -ended question and they might end

00:47:35.269 --> 00:47:37.730
up talking for two or three minutes. Then when

00:47:37.730 --> 00:47:39.650
they close that phrase, they close that thought,

00:47:39.809 --> 00:47:42.949
then I'll say, that's fascinating. Now, say they

00:47:42.949 --> 00:47:45.610
brought up three points. I'll take one of those

00:47:45.610 --> 00:47:48.690
three points that I want to dig deeper on. I'll

00:47:48.690 --> 00:47:51.889
pay them a compliment and say, I really love

00:47:51.889 --> 00:47:53.809
what you're saying here. Can you double back

00:47:53.809 --> 00:47:55.789
to this point and tell me a little more about

00:47:55.789 --> 00:47:59.909
that? So it's not like I'm not emotionally into

00:47:59.909 --> 00:48:02.889
it. I don't need them to love me or hate me.

00:48:02.909 --> 00:48:05.590
I don't even care what they think about me. I'm

00:48:05.590 --> 00:48:08.469
there to solve an issue. Because as an entrepreneur,

00:48:08.829 --> 00:48:12.170
I don't care if they like me or not. I'm there

00:48:12.170 --> 00:48:15.599
to solve a problem. And create the solution.

00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:17.940
Create a solution. Like, here's the solution.

00:48:18.340 --> 00:48:20.519
Can I create a win -win out of this potential

00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:25.059
solution? So here's an example. Here's the Kissimmee

00:48:25.059 --> 00:48:27.579
airport down, the municipal airport down in Kissimmee.

00:48:28.099 --> 00:48:30.920
I think it's underutilized. I think that they

00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.480
can do a lot with that. Right. How long is that

00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:40.940
runway? Long enough. So I talked to the girl

00:48:40.940 --> 00:48:43.039
yesterday and I asked her to introduce me to

00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:44.639
the mayor who's best friends with the owner of

00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.800
the airport. Okay. Because I want to integrate

00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.760
myself into that conversation. So that was kind

00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:55.119
of part of yesterday's conversation. Why is that?

00:48:55.179 --> 00:48:57.579
Well, I don't know why. My intuition says I need

00:48:57.579 --> 00:48:59.960
to know that information. Yeah. So it's not like

00:48:59.960 --> 00:49:03.559
anything. There's nothing there that's like ego

00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:07.239
driven. I'm just curious. I'm kind of digging

00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.579
in the dirt and finding out what's under the

00:49:10.579 --> 00:49:12.159
surface. Yeah, what's under the surface? What

00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.199
do I need to know for you to think more coherently?

00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.400
And maybe I discover a data point that's not

00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:19.460
relevant now, but it might be a year from now

00:49:19.460 --> 00:49:22.960
or two years from now, right? So once again,

00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:25.579
when I'm in these conversations, it's not about

00:49:25.579 --> 00:49:31.139
me. I do tend to be quiet when somebody interrupts

00:49:31.139 --> 00:49:36.900
me. And the reason is because... Conversation

00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:40.860
is a meaningful exchange of ideas. When I say

00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:43.300
something, I'd like to consider that you're listening

00:49:43.300 --> 00:49:45.659
and then you contemplate. And you're like, okay,

00:49:45.699 --> 00:49:47.619
well... Well, I interrupt all the time and that

00:49:47.619 --> 00:49:49.320
might have been quite difficult for you, but

00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.719
it's only interrupting to expand on what you're

00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:53.739
saying, not to necessarily at that point inject

00:49:53.739 --> 00:49:56.280
what I'm saying. Because what we're doing is

00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.800
exchanging ideals and it's a back and forth all

00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.059
the time. So a certain amount of interruption

00:50:02.059 --> 00:50:04.579
is necessary just to build on this idea because

00:50:04.579 --> 00:50:06.980
that's what we're doing. We're exploring ideas.

00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:09.599
So I think it works in this context. But you

00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:11.539
don't want someone interrupting you because they're

00:50:11.539 --> 00:50:13.659
either bored with what you're saying or they

00:50:13.659 --> 00:50:15.119
think they've... got something that they want

00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:18.519
to say so it depends on what the motive is for

00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.739
interrupting and so what i've ended up doing

00:50:21.739 --> 00:50:24.420
is just using a two second rule and also having

00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:27.400
a notepad so like if there's somebody if it's

00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.059
very complex then what i'll do is i'll just instead

00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:32.199
of interrupting them i'll just write like a word

00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:35.280
yeah so i can double back to that word uh the

00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:36.980
other thing i'll do is just wait two seconds

00:50:36.980 --> 00:50:40.460
to make sure they close their phrase so they

00:50:40.460 --> 00:50:43.230
can take a break and then i'll Because when I

00:50:43.230 --> 00:50:46.949
wait the two seconds, they know that I've listened

00:50:46.949 --> 00:50:50.429
to what they said. So it's my nonverbal way of

00:50:50.429 --> 00:50:52.969
verbally communicating to, I'm thinking about

00:50:52.969 --> 00:50:55.449
what you just said. They'll know whether you're

00:50:55.449 --> 00:50:57.329
listening or not depending on your question as

00:50:57.329 --> 00:50:59.800
well. That would be the verbal way of communicating.

00:51:00.139 --> 00:51:02.420
You call verbal and non -verbal. Truly. So, yeah,

00:51:02.500 --> 00:51:05.260
the communication model. I call them paper people.

00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:07.440
You're saying they're non, what is it, NPC, non

00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.159
-participating characters. Yeah, paper people.

00:51:09.260 --> 00:51:11.280
Now, the paper people, I would like that to be

00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:13.900
if I go to the DMV. Did you make that up? Well,

00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:16.380
one of my Travis stories, I write about this

00:51:16.380 --> 00:51:17.500
magic tense. Oh, that's where I heard that. It's

00:51:17.500 --> 00:51:20.179
the paper people. It's a different context, actually,

00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:21.739
but it's a similar from what you're saying. So

00:51:21.739 --> 00:51:23.440
I've heard people. Yeah, that's what I call the

00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.139
paper person. I'm interrupting you to find out

00:51:26.139 --> 00:51:27.579
about paper people. They're a non -participating.

00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:29.639
Participating character. So I just call them

00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.320
paper people. Now a paper person would be helpful

00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.199
if I was at the DMV and I want to go in and I've

00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.059
got to renew my licence. I want to get in and

00:51:38.059 --> 00:51:40.500
out as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.260
So I'm going to become a paper person to you.

00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:46.559
I'm not going to say hello, but I'm not going

00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.199
to enter into any type of dialogue because I

00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.300
need you to focus on what you're doing so my

00:51:52.300 --> 00:51:57.730
day can be... on point i don't so i'll inject

00:51:57.730 --> 00:52:00.869
so i'll reduce myself in certain situations if

00:52:00.869 --> 00:52:02.769
i'm working with someone in a kitchen i'm cooking

00:52:02.769 --> 00:52:05.630
i don't like to talk i like to really focus on

00:52:05.630 --> 00:52:07.769
what i'm doing that's interesting because just

00:52:07.769 --> 00:52:10.409
yesterday we're um after our meeting the they

00:52:10.409 --> 00:52:13.130
took me out to lunch and uh we went to like bonefish

00:52:13.130 --> 00:52:17.969
um it's decent decent place and they were the

00:52:17.969 --> 00:52:19.650
service was really slow it took them forever

00:52:19.650 --> 00:52:23.480
to get to take the order and stuff And it wasn't

00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:25.739
even that packed. It was just poor service. I'm

00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:29.199
like, this is terrible. So anyway, long and short

00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:33.679
is this girl had a tattoo and I wanted to ask

00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:37.099
her about it, but I didn't. Because I wanted

00:52:37.099 --> 00:52:39.300
her to get the order in the system first. It

00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:42.719
took you freaking forever to get here. I ended

00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:46.460
up talking to her about her ink. But once she

00:52:46.460 --> 00:52:48.159
got your appetizer. Yeah, it's like, make sure

00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:50.219
that we get our coffee or whatever again first.

00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.599
So no, I like what you said because there's a

00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:56.659
time and a place to ask a question. But then

00:52:56.659 --> 00:52:59.400
the type of question matters too. Like I've learned,

00:52:59.539 --> 00:53:02.820
I ask almost always open -ended questions. So

00:53:02.820 --> 00:53:06.599
like in this podcast. I don't really ask you,

00:53:06.659 --> 00:53:10.340
did you have a great day? Because that's like

00:53:10.340 --> 00:53:13.219
a yes or no. So what I'll do is I'll say, hey,

00:53:13.260 --> 00:53:14.739
what was the most exciting thing that happened?

00:53:15.139 --> 00:53:18.760
Give me some dialogue. Give me some. It's not

00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:20.940
like you have a hard time telling stories. I

00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:22.920
used to do that with my kids. They would get

00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:25.420
20 minutes each of them would get at night. And

00:53:25.420 --> 00:53:27.440
that was after all our rituals and routines were

00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:29.300
done. It was 20 minutes and it would be, and

00:53:29.300 --> 00:53:31.800
I would say that. So you can talk to me about

00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:33.800
anything and I'd leave. And what's the most exciting

00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.739
thing that's ever happened? And what irritated

00:53:35.739 --> 00:53:38.900
you about the week? And we'd spend that 20 minutes

00:53:38.900 --> 00:53:43.099
talking about what was on their mind. So doubling

00:53:43.099 --> 00:53:45.059
back to these people that don't keep a schedule

00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:48.159
and they're late, how do you personally deal

00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.280
with people? Well, I've realized that I'm quite

00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.840
an impatient person. So I realize that's in my

00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:57.139
life plan. I'm here to master patience. So I

00:53:57.139 --> 00:53:59.679
use it as a lesson. It's like, just be sweet,

00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.360
be cool. And if there are reasons, like if there's

00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:04.019
a reason that you're like, I'm fine with that

00:54:04.019 --> 00:54:06.559
because it does happen. But if I think that your

00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.780
response is cavalier and that you've just, and

00:54:09.780 --> 00:54:12.030
this is... In fact, my son, actually, he wouldn't

00:54:12.030 --> 00:54:13.590
mind me even saying this because he knows I get

00:54:13.590 --> 00:54:16.769
pissed off about it. Hello, Charlie. This one's

00:54:16.769 --> 00:54:20.119
for you, Charlie. This one's for you, son. But

00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.659
I've learnt, because I can feel my vibration

00:54:23.659 --> 00:54:26.099
dipping, and because I understand that I'm in

00:54:26.099 --> 00:54:27.980
charge of the quantum field that I'm living in,

00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:30.360
I don't allow that to happen. And I just say,

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.239
OK, you're going to be patient. And what I've

00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:35.400
learnt to do now is, if I tell him we've got

00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.659
to meet at 10, I don't actually need him to be

00:54:38.659 --> 00:54:41.039
at the house until 11. So I'm just giving away

00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.460
my game plan. So I programme him with the wrong

00:54:43.460 --> 00:54:46.059
time now. So he'll be 40 minutes late, which

00:54:46.059 --> 00:54:47.519
actually means he's 20 minutes early, because

00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:49.139
I didn't want to see him until 11. in any way.

00:54:49.179 --> 00:54:52.980
So I've combated it that way. But I feel like

00:54:52.980 --> 00:54:56.239
I just, I don't want to be reactionary. And so

00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.019
if someone's late. So let's hope he doesn't listen.

00:54:58.019 --> 00:54:59.159
I'll tell you what though. Let's hope he doesn't

00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:03.800
listen. No, he will, little shit. He's already

00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:08.039
heard this. Oh, he already knows this. But it

00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.760
would irritate me if something was going down

00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.119
and it was a big deal and I had money invested,

00:55:13.300 --> 00:55:15.679
a lot of time, a lot of energy, and someone was

00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:18.119
late and didn't have a good reason. That would

00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:20.000
really irritate me and that would be in business.

00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.519
Because you really need these structures to be

00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:24.539
in place in business because we've all got to

00:55:24.539 --> 00:55:27.340
interact with each other. So that's a real breach

00:55:27.340 --> 00:55:30.309
in protocol for me. But I still probably wouldn't

00:55:30.309 --> 00:55:32.789
react, but I'd be very careful working with you

00:55:32.789 --> 00:55:35.949
again. I'd want you to be honorable in that.

00:55:36.150 --> 00:55:39.190
So these are good conversations because these

00:55:39.190 --> 00:55:40.969
are things that you and I typically don't talk

00:55:40.969 --> 00:55:44.269
about. How do you deal with certain people or

00:55:44.269 --> 00:55:47.090
certain characters? You did ask me the question,

00:55:47.329 --> 00:55:50.929
you know, you said you don't observe me losing

00:55:50.929 --> 00:55:54.289
my cool very often. And I almost never do. But

00:55:54.289 --> 00:55:57.239
I do. I do release a little bit of tiger. Like

00:55:57.239 --> 00:55:59.659
you'll see the tigress come out sometimes, but

00:55:59.659 --> 00:56:03.360
it'll be metered. Because if I put full on tigress,

00:56:03.460 --> 00:56:06.920
I'll blow people away. I don't want that. I think

00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:08.719
that's a really good observation. Yeah. So I

00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:12.260
give a metered response. And I did it last week

00:56:12.260 --> 00:56:15.719
because I held an online meeting. It was for

00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:17.800
the benefit of several key people on one of my

00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.739
projects. And I was discussing a previous meeting

00:56:22.739 --> 00:56:26.079
that was in my house. again for their benefit

00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:30.659
and what i did was i said look you know i i put

00:56:30.659 --> 00:56:32.880
a little we're gonna have a meeting the meeting

00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.400
starts like let's just say it starts at 6 p .m

00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.840
okay whatever here's the time it's gonna start

00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:40.719
here uh you can come a few minutes early but

00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:42.500
don't come like way early because i'm still doing

00:56:42.500 --> 00:56:45.860
stuff like don't come on the hour early don't

00:56:45.860 --> 00:56:47.559
come at five because i'm probably still in the

00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:50.179
shower right So just come a few minutes early.

00:56:50.300 --> 00:56:52.460
That's fine. So what we've been doing is when

00:56:52.460 --> 00:56:54.860
we have guests, we like to put out food and,

00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:57.780
you know, just like, well, what happened was

00:56:57.780 --> 00:57:01.000
we put out food and I got ready to start the

00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:04.320
meeting and everyone's like chit -chatting around

00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.340
the food. And I literally had to corral the people

00:57:07.340 --> 00:57:09.159
to come start the meeting that was for their

00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:13.880
benefit. So it's like, okay. So I literally told

00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:17.469
them, I lit them up the other day. you know just

00:57:17.469 --> 00:57:19.829
in a small tigress way like tell me tell me what

00:57:19.829 --> 00:57:22.309
you said but i i just said look because dudes

00:57:22.309 --> 00:57:25.230
well well what i did was we're doing like get

00:57:25.230 --> 00:57:28.269
the fuck over here well it was a it was a it

00:57:28.269 --> 00:57:31.230
was a post -action gathering i said because whenever

00:57:31.230 --> 00:57:32.949
you have a meeting you have a subsequent meeting

00:57:32.949 --> 00:57:34.590
it says okay what do we do that worked really

00:57:34.590 --> 00:57:37.949
well what do we do that sucked or maybe something

00:57:37.949 --> 00:57:40.489
we could do better right yeah so i let everybody

00:57:40.489 --> 00:57:43.920
else go first what do we do well what could have

00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:47.400
been better, right? So I went around the room

00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.340
and asked him all that. Then I always go last.

00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.579
I told him, same thing. What did we do well?

00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:56.079
I like this, this, and this. We did that. We

00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:57.500
should do this again because that went really

00:57:57.500 --> 00:58:02.440
well. Here's what didn't work well for me. Boom,

00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.400
boom. I gave him two issues. I said, we need

00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:10.179
to be working as a team. If I'm trying to get

00:58:10.179 --> 00:58:13.760
people to start the meeting, And you're one of

00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.280
the people that is an instigator in continuing

00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:19.369
conversations or you're. You need to, if you're

00:58:19.369 --> 00:58:21.809
by the food. It was disrespectful. You need to

00:58:21.809 --> 00:58:23.909
be the person that says, hey, let's take it over

00:58:23.909 --> 00:58:25.030
here because we're getting the meeting started.

00:58:25.150 --> 00:58:27.389
Yeah, exactly. You know, I feel like I'm fighting

00:58:27.389 --> 00:58:30.750
against my own teammates. Yes. It's infuriating.

00:58:30.750 --> 00:58:33.329
So it wasn't ugly, but it was. But you called

00:58:33.329 --> 00:58:35.349
it out. But you have to, because they don't know.

00:58:35.469 --> 00:58:36.969
They're going to sit there. You should call it

00:58:36.969 --> 00:58:38.389
out because you don't want it bottled up inside

00:58:38.389 --> 00:58:40.389
you. And they need to know. They need to. And

00:58:40.389 --> 00:58:42.809
it's perfectly reasonable. And what happens is.

00:58:42.869 --> 00:58:45.159
So reasonable. And what happens is they. People

00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:51.699
who never see me, like my children, like in all

00:58:51.699 --> 00:58:54.300
the years, years and years of being a parent,

00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:57.480
they probably saw me lose, just get angry like

00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.519
a couple of times, a handful of times. And their

00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.019
eyes get like this big, like, holy crap. Yeah.

00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:06.820
They've never seen the tigress come out, right?

00:59:07.300 --> 00:59:11.000
Same thing with business. Like when I even just

00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:12.719
come out a little bit and just say, okay, listen.

00:59:15.309 --> 00:59:18.849
This cannot happen again. And that's the tigress

00:59:18.849 --> 00:59:21.170
coming out, but you're being assertive. And I,

00:59:21.269 --> 00:59:23.409
for some reason, I was always assertive as a

00:59:23.409 --> 00:59:25.369
child. It was pointed out to me, but I think

00:59:25.369 --> 00:59:28.409
I kind of knew I was. But being assertive and

00:59:28.409 --> 00:59:30.449
calling out what's right or wrong. I've been

00:59:30.449 --> 00:59:34.010
in that situation where you want people to move

00:59:34.010 --> 00:59:35.929
from this location in the social gathering and

00:59:35.929 --> 00:59:37.829
go to this one. And you can see what I'm doing.

00:59:37.989 --> 00:59:40.829
You can look at me. You know that I'm responsible

00:59:40.829 --> 00:59:43.150
for getting you here. And you're just carrying

00:59:43.150 --> 00:59:48.079
on as if I'm a paper person. We've all been in

00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:49.179
that situation. That's one thing I know about

00:59:49.179 --> 00:59:51.880
you is you're not a paper person. So let's make

00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:55.239
a deal here on the air. If you ever need me to

00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:58.250
corral a crowd. Just tap me and just say, would

00:59:58.250 --> 01:00:00.550
you corral the crowd over there? Yeah. And I

01:00:00.550 --> 01:00:02.389
will make it happen for you. It's funny. I do

01:00:02.389 --> 01:00:04.269
that at my sister -in -law's house. When I can

01:00:04.269 --> 01:00:06.570
see that people are doing that, I'll go around

01:00:06.570 --> 01:00:08.789
and I'll just get right up to people. And I said,

01:00:08.829 --> 01:00:10.750
we need to go outside now. You've kept Jean waiting

01:00:10.750 --> 01:00:13.769
long enough. Fair. And I'm just, yeah, I'm just

01:00:13.769 --> 01:00:15.690
over it. I'm going to invite you to every one

01:00:15.690 --> 01:00:17.849
of my new business meetings. I'll be your corraler.

01:00:17.849 --> 01:00:19.570
You're going to be like the first sergeant, right?

01:00:21.449 --> 01:00:23.570
So, well, this has been cool. I never know what

01:00:23.570 --> 01:00:26.110
we're going to talk about. So you said you're

01:00:26.110 --> 01:00:27.510
going to hold off on a couple of these other

01:00:27.510 --> 01:00:29.489
things. Yes. So what are we today? The 10th.

01:00:29.489 --> 01:00:33.840
So let's... Let's do maybe the nearest to the

01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.679
1st of November because I want to record this

01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:39.599
catechism and I want that available on the site

01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:42.380
so people can listen to that and then we can

01:00:42.380 --> 01:00:44.780
talk about it. And then you can read it. And

01:00:44.780 --> 01:00:48.280
I've done pictures especially for you. Cartoons?

01:00:48.659 --> 01:00:51.860
Yes, some of them are. You'll love some of them.

01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:54.179
They're absolutely perfect for you. So what I'm

01:00:54.179 --> 01:00:56.519
saying on the right -hand page is now depicted

01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:00.280
in a cartoon and Desmond has done those. It's

01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:02.860
kind of a really cool book. A short read, an

01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:05.119
hour and a half, and it's a full belief system.

01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:08.239
And if and when you listen to it, which will

01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:09.900
be in a few weeks and you have anything to say

01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:12.059
about it, just hit us up on the website because

01:01:12.059 --> 01:01:14.599
I'd like to know if I've missed anything. That's

01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.860
lovely. And I'm going to get our website updated.

01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:21.059
I'm so far behind on tasks, but we've done all

01:01:21.059 --> 01:01:24.380
the episodes and they're loaded in the... Like

01:01:24.380 --> 01:01:27.780
if somebody goes... to iTunes or iHeartRadio

01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:30.320
or whatever, everything's current there. So all

01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:33.099
of the episodes are current wherever you're listening

01:01:33.099 --> 01:01:36.239
to the podcasts, but the actual website, I have

01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:39.000
to manually upload them. Well, so maybe then

01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:41.699
if I just, I'll read out the catechism here in

01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:43.940
your studio, if that's okay, and then we could

01:01:43.940 --> 01:01:46.440
do that as a special and then just upload it

01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:48.800
on the current platforms because, you know, however

01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:51.500
we do that. But when I talk about it, I think

01:01:51.500 --> 01:01:52.760
it's really important to have that information

01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.710
available in audio. particularly we could totally

01:01:55.710 --> 01:01:58.070
do that whatever whatever serves you so well

01:01:58.070 --> 01:02:00.269
i want to thank everybody you know we have a

01:02:00.269 --> 01:02:02.789
growing audience of course there's so much demand

01:02:02.789 --> 01:02:05.739
for everyone's attention The growth is slow and

01:02:05.739 --> 01:02:09.260
steady. Nice. But that slow growth, we just want

01:02:09.260 --> 01:02:11.500
to thank you all for listening and for tuning

01:02:11.500 --> 01:02:13.679
in. And we're going to have some carrot cake.

01:02:13.820 --> 01:02:17.980
Happy 60th, baby. It's been good. It's been great.

01:02:18.739 --> 01:02:20.500
So we're going to go cut some carrot cake and

01:02:20.500 --> 01:02:22.440
have a sip of coffee or something. Lovely. All

01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:24.639
right. Love you. Thanks for coming out. And thanks

01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:26.480
all for visiting us at the Treehouse Studios

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