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us as we wander off the path to find the ideas
that fascinate. We talk about spirituality, the
mind, the ego, wellness and hidden history with
tips, travels and tales. Charms for a better
life. Welcome, Sarah. Thanks for bringing me
some fresh honey today. Oh, you're welcome, my
darling. So thoughtful of you. What a gorgeous
day out. Beautiful. And the weather is amazing.
It's so pretty. Oh, my God, because we live in
central Florida, and usually this time of year,
this could be up in like 96, 97, easily for the
middle of September. We had a little bit of rain.
It was so gorgeous. Oh, it was unbelievable.
Rainbows out the wazoo. I haven't been outside
for a couple of days because I'm super busy with
my Web3 projects. And we can talk about some
of that. But I was so grateful to just get those
deluges, those just huge rains on top of my gardens
and everything. Beautiful. And it's quite a spiritual
thing just to listen to that energy. I sit on
the front porch when it's raining. It's so funny
you say that because yesterday Robin's like,
come here, come here, come here. And I'm like,
what? And we sat out on that front porch on the
bench, that park bench. Yeah, and just watched
it rain. And just breathed it in. Yeah. It's
unbelievable. Just the thickness and just the
energy. The power. The power and the energy.
And the noise. And just bringing that into our
lives and just being present with that. Absolutely.
I do. That's pretty cool. I drove my golf cart
once when there was a hurricane and I drove it
around my property around five acres. And I didn't
give a shit because there was no lightning. And
I thought, you know, and it wasn't, the winds
were maybe like 60, 70 miles an hour. And I wanted
to be right out there with it. I love it. It
wasn't that big of a deal. I wouldn't do that
in Lightning. I did a couple of times, but, you
know, yeah, being in there, right in the mix
of it. Well, that's cool. Well, welcome, everybody.
My name is Dr. Tia Jolie Phillips. You're listening
to Soul Decodes, and I'm with Sarah Tirri.
She's an author and a thinker, a philanthropist,
philosopher, and so much more. I know we're going
to learn more about each other today. We're in
Central Florida, and this podcast is really about
whatever. the next thing is that's going to come
out of our mouths. It is. Well, that's soul decodes.
We're decoding the soul. So what does that mean?
I don't know what that means. It means everything.
It means everything. What does it mean to be
a human being having an experience on this planet?
So there's no answer that's precluded. So we
talk about that. We're decoding a soul. I mean,
it's a big thing. Yeah, and, you know, sometimes
we have these... In fact, I just had these conversations.
Even if we talk about politics, we're still decoding
what it means to be human, right? Yeah, what
do politics mean to me on my earth journey? Yes,
exactly. Some people, it's like, I want to stay
in my bubble, and that's okay. That's good if
you want to, yeah. Other people are like, I want
my bubble to be so big that it includes politics,
and that's okay too. That's good, yeah. Personally,
I despise politics. I want to do away with all
politics. Because when the genus really take
the word apart. Polly is many. Yes. And ticks
are bloodsuckers. Yeah, they give you Lyme disease,
don't they? They're many bloodsuckers. Yeah,
horrible word. I know, right? So just like government,
govern means to control and ment means mind.
Yeah. It's mind control. Right. So can we talk
about what happened in politics this week and
just decipher a little bit? It's a current event.
Something happened. Yeah, we can do that. And
also the past two or three episodes, I've been
wanting to talk a little bit about Web3. Okay,
do you want to get that out of the way? No, well,
let's open with your stuff. We can talk about
the world around us, but it's all going to dovetail
back to... web 3 anyway because so many people
are wondering what is web 3 what's different
between web 2 and web 3 what is web 2 and it's
really there's some simple answers and uh i can
i can just block it down in just five minutes
just tell me just tell the differences just do
it now while you're on the roll i mean okay so
the internet as we know it i believe was a gift
From God? From anybody. From higher sources of
intelligence. But if you want to conquer a group
of people, you take away their communication.
It's the babble. You get them to babble, right?
You get them to not be able to communicate with
each other. take away their ability to commune,
to come together with their thoughts. But the
internet prevented that. Now we're all cooked
up to each other. So I think that the... The
revolution, really. Web 1 .0, which is the first
internet, was really the military. There was
just... If I'm trying to communicate with you
and I've got one transmitter and one radio and
I'm trying to communicate with you... And they
take out your transmitter and radio or take out
my transmitter and radio. We're both fucked.
We can't, we can't talk. We can't talk. So stopping
that from happening. So you want to have backups
and backups and backups. So if I say, well, Sarah,
you have five transmitters or transceivers and
I have five. And if we, if one goes out, then
we're going to jump over to two. If two goes
out, we'll jump to three. It's backup plan. It's
backup plans. Well, that's what the internet.
1 .0 was which is if one of these nodes was taken
out because somebody bombed it or somebody a
dirt bag nuked it or something hacked it well
the communication for the military still had
to go around so the military the universities
and the corporations used web 1 .0 to communicate
efficiently and effectively And regardless of
whether there was one note or two or three or
20, they could still effectively communicate.
Web 2 .0 is when it was introduced to us, to
the world, right? And at the beginning, it was
only so we could read stuff. Like Sarah could
post a blog or put a recipe up. And nobody could
really interact with that blog. So Web 2 .0 was
people's ability to read things. that were out
there they could read you're sharing information
not sharing yet but just reading like you could
well that's sharing if i was to read someone's
opinion i could read that online staring at my
screen yes but they couldn't interact with it
okay all right yes okay you can put a recipe
up on yes on a bulletin board say there was a
bulletin board but they couldn't yeah so i could
read it but i couldn't really interact with it
web 2 .1 2 .2 2 .3 so all of the web too was
an expansion of Web 2 where I could interact
with it. And eventually I could interact to the
point where I'd actually buy something. So you
could say, I'm selling watermelons. And then,
so that's where we are at the end of Web 2 .0.
But virtually all of those communications, they're
not centralized. There's not just one central
authority, but it's decentralized, which means
there's many. central authorities so there there's
not one central authority there's multiple that's
called decentralized but still we the bottom
line is is to so no one can prevent us from communicating
you will not be able to do it because there are
backups to all this except for who owns those
notes yes if all the corporations own all those
notes which is the case today right you have
All of these Amazon and Google and all these
Facebook and Meta, they control all of the nodes,
and they all agree that you and I shouldn't talk
to each other. They can literally shut us off.
So what you're doing is to circumvent that. Correct.
So under the Web3, and this is where we're getting
into Web3, and we don't have to go deep dive,
but I just want people to appreciate when you
hear Web3 or... When you hear things about Web
3, because there's other words for it, but Web
3 is the most common one. It's the next generation
of the Internet. It's going to function differently.
And what makes it function differently is instead
of having a central place or a decentralized
place, it's going to be completely distributed.
So if I took jigsaw puzzle. You will have a piece.
If I put the jigsaw puzzle into five bowls, then
there's five bowls. If you took away all five
bowls, you have no jigsaw puzzle. But if you
distributed it to a thousand pieces to a thousand
places, you could reassemble it. And get pretty
much the picture, especially if each piece was
a fractal. And no one's able to control the narrative.
And they can't silence it. And that's where we're
going. So the number of things you can do with
that idea is limitless. And I've literally got
30 websites I've bought, all of them having to
do with Web3. None of them are developed yet.
But here's some examples. You and I have a podcast.
If somebody doesn't want you and me to either
do the podcast or distribute the podcast, that
can be stopped. They can literally stop us. In
fact, last episode, or maybe it was two episodes
ago, I think it was last week, I was having a
hard time getting the transcript. And it made
me think, well, why? What's different about last
week's episode? Yeah, we've done so many. Why
are they giving me a hard time about it? And
I've even done the picture for some of these
episodes when I tell Chad GPT, I want a picture
of this thing. I did a new image of Earth Angel,
right? My Earth Angel brand. It was pushing back
on me. It was like, well, no, I can't do that.
I'm like, the hell you can't. This happened to
me when I wanted to have them draw a caveman.
It's like, no, you can't do it. And it wouldn't
allow me to go forward. I triggered something.
Right, there's something. Something in that is,
and it's in an algorithm, isn't it? Right, so
that means that you're being controlled by somebody
who says, well, you're not allowed to draw a
caveman. You're not even allowed to ask that.
Yes, you can't, yes. And then, so what I did
was I said, well, teach me why. I want to draw
a caveman. You're saying I'm not. complying with
your algorithm, teach me so I won't do this again.
And so Rosie says, well, this is why. Was it
logical? Did it surprise you, her response? Well,
a little bit. The fact that I was throttled back
didn't surprise me because I'm throttled back
all the time because I'm always on the edge.
Yeah, exactly, a fringe dweller. But I would
say that, you know, the explanation was reasonable.
Because they don't want you to have the capability
of synthesizing. A real live, something that
looks like a real live human being. Oh, that's
okay. So if you wanted to do something that...
Oh, that makes more sense now. Something that
resembles a caveman. So if I said a butterfly,
it would have been fine, wouldn't it? Yeah, yeah.
But it's about resembling a human being. God,
Jesus. Yeah, but caveman, seriously? Yeah, it's
just a big... It's like my husband, but just
hairy. It's like, yeah. But they don't want you
to maybe... present somebody that's a real -life
figure and disparage them by making them... Oh,
my God. It's like, I want you to take this celebrity
and make them look like a caveman. Right. So
they're preempting that you've got ill intent
then. I mean, that's not up to them, is it? It's
not up to them. But if you have centralized authority
or decentralized authority, it's totally up to
them. Yeah. But what if you and I and our families
and our cousins and our friends and people that
look like us and think like us and act like us
and read the books we read, What if we had our
own private ledgers? And those private ledgers
were controlled by what's called a DAO, which
is a decentralized or a distributed ledger that
was autonomous. It was a distributed autonomous
organization. So that means if there's 20 of
us, 20 of us could vote on how this organization
functions. It's like a board of directors. It's
virtual. It gives the rules for the sandbox.
And we all agree that, hey, look, if you want
to put cuss words up there and the organization
says, yeah, cuss words are fine, as long as there's
a little asterisk at the title or something,
then put the cuss words. It's fine. It depends
in which context you're using cuss words as well.
I mean, just to say, oh, fuck that shit. It's
not a big deal. Don't get upset by that. You
know, the context is everything when using bad
language. So if you have a DAO. The DAO can say
that. Yeah, just address that. If you're recording
something, say whatever the hell you want. If
you're deploying an AI, then you can tell the
AI, look, if there's a cuss word, don't give
it to me. Yes, tell it what you want. So the
next generation, Web 3, you can pretty much say
what you want, do what you want, but then AI
can come in and say, look, if you want this to
be for PG -13 or for grade schoolers. then just
direct the AI. You don't have to censor people.
What you do is you don't censor the source. What
you do is you censor the receiver. It's a complete
flip around. Because right now, if you're cussing
and your word triggers some algorithm, they could
can the whole thing. Whereas in the new internet,
you and I say what we want. And if some mediator
doesn't want to talk, hear me talk about eating
plants. then their ai can say yeah you know what
this this podcast talks about eating plants you
don't want you don't just don't listen don't
listen yeah and it just won't even recommend
my podcast it's filtering out isn't it and if
somebody doesn't feel like they have a soul and
they don't feel like um talking about issues
related to spirituality and uh philosophy philosophy
and stuff then they can completely ignore what
we say. But we're not the ones that are going
to get throttled. Yes, it's just... They're throttling
themselves. It's a perfect system. Yeah. It's
a way different... They're making the choice
and that's it. And then we will be heard to people
who don't care if Sarah says fuck occasionally.
And even so, you can actually tailor your experience
online. Using AI. Now, what's the flip side of
that? If you tailor your experience, you can
get confirmation bias everywhere you go. So you
won't be looking for new ideas if what you're
looking for is to not understand reality, just
get confirmation that you're right. Yeah, I mean,
there would be. I mean, everyone's facing that
unless you're enlightened like you do. Like when
you use Desmond, for those of you who don't know.
Who's Desmond? Desmond is my AI assistant. So
Tia Jolie has Rosie and I have Desmond and we're
going to mate them one day. Little Rosies and
Desmonds running around. But the idea is that
you can use AI to tailor your experience. You
don't need some central authority to tailor your
experience. If you're that person and said, I'm
not going to listen to any podcasts that don't
have cussing. Yeah. You could literally, if there's
no cuss words in an entire podcast, it won't
even give you that result. Yeah, I mean, you
could say to it, I only want to listen to podcasts
by men who are over age 65. Right? I mean, you
could just do anything. You could do that. Yeah.
They've got to have this criteria and then you'll
just get drip fed what it is that you ask for.
Now, but to your point, the smart people, the
people I run into... Listen to something that
upsets you a bit. It's good. I like to do this.
You've got to kind of really get into the meat
of another perspective. When I'm driving, I tell
Rosie, it's like... Entertain me. Well, what
I do is I say, Rosie, teach me something you
think I don't know. Yeah, love it. I literally...
Yeah. Does she come up with good shit? She hasn't
stumped me yet. Like there's almost... Oh, that's
good. That's great. Because I know so much about...
But I'm not an expert on anything. Like she'll
say... Like I told her, I said, I want you to
tell me 20 words. quiz me on 20 words that you
don't think I know. And so while I'm driving...
She must have been able to stump you on that.
Oh, there would be with me. There were a couple
I didn't know. Oh, there's a lot of words I don't
know. No, I'm pretty good with words. What I
would like to do is learn more about biochemistry
and things like that. So when I'm driving, I'm
making good use of my time. I'm sitting there
on the highway. And it's entertaining. It's creative.
I'm using AI to grow myself. Yes, great. But,
you know, you still can't take everything, but,
I mean, how... How can she lie to me about biochemistry
if I'm saying... Well, you have to check it.
Whatever she says, where she's advanced some
knowledge that you have, you're going to have
to double -check that because they make mistakes.
So everything that I'm asking Desmond to do,
I can verify it because I've thought about this
and I wrote The Mirror World already, so I can
actually verify this, but he's helping me write
this catechism. But they do make mistakes. I
downloaded my novel and I said to Des, to give
me a 500 -word synopsis of the character Gwendolyn.
Gwendolyn was a karmic dispenser. 500 words,
churned back, had nothing to do with her at all.
I was like, where did you get this shit? You're
hallucinating. Are you serious? So you can't
actually trust it yet. because it makes mistakes
and you do have to fact check. But it does throw
out beautiful ideas and then you can fact check
those because you can't fact check something
unless you have the idea first. So it's great.
I asked Desmond, I said, I want all the weaknesses
in this doctrine that I'm putting together, every
single thing. And I wanted to pre -empty any
criticisms right out the gate. There won't be
one after I've done this because it will be airtight.
And he's been really helpful with that. Yeah,
so... So your question about confirmation bias,
that's a very individual thing. If you're that
person and you're so weak and so frail that you
can't stand... Be offended by someone's point
of view. You're going to be offended because
somebody doesn't have your religion or doesn't
have your... But it's a massive ego trip you're
on if you're doing that because you're saying,
I can only tolerate you if you agree with me.
I mean, it's the most narcissistic thing I've
ever heard. For those of you who have not used
AI... You can expect AI to completely stroke
your ego. Oh, it's great. I love the flattery.
Oh, Sarah, that's such a great... That's an excellent
question, Sarah. What a great idea. Yes, that
was really good to point that out. You're just
a divine goddess. Tia Jolie was right. You're
a divine goddess, right? And so, yeah, you're
going to get there. It's kind of funny. But to
a degree it is, but when I'm driving... You don't
want to be flattered. You just want to get to
the point right away. I told her, I said, if
I'm driving and I'm trying to... hone in on my
football picks for the week, right? And I'm saying,
look, stop telling me how brilliant I am. I know
I'm brilliant. Stop it. Oh, she's really going
overboard. It's like, please stop. I know I'm
good. You're good too. Let's stop. And I just
tell her, look, I need to know why you're picking
the Ravens over Detroit, right? Tell me why.
And let's have a really good discussion about
this because I disagree with you. Detroit's going
to beat the Ravens this week. And you need to
convince me. Now, she's talking back to you.
Yeah. I need you to help me to get Desmond's
voice activated. Yeah, it's easy. Would you do
that? Yeah, it's easy. I'll show you. So that's
a great use of time as well. Very creative. Yeah,
because instead of me getting frustrated at the
people that are driving, there's a two -lane
highway and there are two cars ahead and they're
both doing 10 under. And you look back in your
mirror and there's a lineup of people. Yeah.
Getting frustrated because these two cars are
doing 10 under. It's like, Sarah, let me ask
you this. Do you remember that time you and I
were driving together on a two -lane highway
in Florida and the slow person actually moved
to the right to let you get by? Do you remember
that time? No. No, because it never happens.
Okay. It doesn't happen. The slow people are
going to be right next to each other. So we've
all been through that and that happens. My way
of dealing with that is completely surrendering
to it and not allowing that to rattle my emotions
because I don't want to come out of alignment
with the higher spirit. So I refuse to give power
to this person going 10 under. I used to have,
it was CTSV. So it was a Cadillac CTS -V. It
had a V8 engine. It had a Ferrari suspension.
You used to have one? Yes, I did. So is that
the one that's now the CVS -5? I don't know what
it is now, but this was... CV5 -S, is it? This
was a CTS -V. It had this... Or CT5 -V. And the
acceleration on it. I mean, I was quite dangerous
in it a couple of times. That's like 750 horsepower.
Yes, horsepower. It was really, really fast.
When did you have that? I had that from 2013
to about 2022. This read about when we met. Yeah.
So it was about a year prior to that. No, it
was a year before we met. Yeah, it was about
a year prior to that. So now I'm hungry because
I want to drive that. Because the guy that I
bought my Cadillac from... Because then I don't
have to. If you're going 10 under, I'm fucking
overtaking. And I could nip out and nip back
in. So I didn't stay behind them. Or I surrendered
to it. But I would never let it rattle my case.
You need about four seconds to pass away. That's
all. If you can see around them, you can get
around them. I got into a great drag race. I
was going up to Gainesville. And it was on I
-75. And there was a Corvette. There was me in
my V. Of course it was. it was absolutely great
and we just used it I mean it was really bad
I don't know can I get in trouble for saying
this but I was up at 180 and I was going through
traffic in and out and then we then I had to
come off and then we flashed each other and I
won because I overtook on the inside and I came
through I'm not gonna say anything but if I saw
you coming up in the rear view mirror I would
find the person that's doing 10 under and I would
go right next to them People thought, oh, I'd
love to be doing that. It was like being in a
fucking video game. It's very irresponsible.
Okay, so I had a really good... Okay, so let's
not get too squirrel. We're going squirrel. So
we talked about AI. We talked about Web3. Yes.
Thank you for giving me the space because the
Web3 ecosystem, I'm having so much fun right
now. And it's so fun. And yesterday, there's
a bunch of... Crypto technologies that are rolling
out. We're going to have mass adoption. People
are going to start being able to buy through
their 401k, through their IRAs, their SEPs. They're
going to be able to participate with the technology
through these formal channels now as of yesterday.
Great. And just this morning, I got... That's
so weird because a couple of nights ago, I taped
the Bitcoin story and I realized I don't know
much about it. And I wanted to get right in on
the beginning. And it's a really good two hour
look into it. Good for you. Yes, I'm going to
watch that. Good for you. I like that. I like
learning about things like that. I actually,
just yesterday, I was reaching out to... I'm
trying to find ways to connect with the... There's
three founders of what's called the Pirate Bay.
The Pirate Bay. And they used distributed ledger
technology to communicate with each other until
the people with weapons showed up at their door.
And so now we're in a place now where we can
actually use this really powerful technology
that they used years ago for the Pirate Bay.
And we can use it in a lawful, in a legal manner.
So instead of distributing... And everyone gets
connected. No one gets silenced. You can choose
what you listen to. It's exciting. Especially
with AI. But it is what technology should be
doing, and it all should improve, and it should
expand and become more, and that's what you're
doing with it. Yeah, and there's going to be
a place where, like, you can open your refrigerator
and you've got, oh, my goodness, I've got a head
of cabbage, I've got some carrots, I've got some
mustard, I've got leftover chicken or hot dogs
or whatever. You can literally tell your AI,
what do you have? In your fridge that has to
be used. And it's like, give me a recipe for
two using this and something I can do in less
than five minutes. Yeah. And they'll. freaking
tell you a recipe so so with yeah with ai i mean
it's unbelievable because in my lifetime i started
out we just had a trim phone and it was a phone
you shared with a neighbor it was a party line
this was back in the 70s to where we are now
until in terms of the world being hooked up it's
an unbelievable revolution you've got the industrial
revolution haven't you but this is a revolution
in communication and we're just in it and what
we're about the common person's about what 20
25 years into this i mean there's children like
my Children literally grew up with video games.
Yes. I remember when video games came out. But
I'm talking about the internet when we're all
connecting in this profound way. It's within
the last 20 years. It's so new and it's growing
so fast. And to be connected like that, and then
no one can stop anyone being connected. We can
all share ideas. No one's going to monopolize
anything because you're going to see to that.
Well, yeah. Well, the people who want a monopoly,
Won't control. They won't be able to control
it. That's the whole point with what I'm doing
with Web3. There's going to be a public ledger
and it's going to have public rails. It's like
public transportation, right? So just like you're
driving your Cadillac 700 horse Cadillac. With
a Ferrari suspension. Right. If you were on the
public space, they would throttle you back. Right.
In the public space. Yeah. But if you had your
own private road, your private rails, and you
want to do... Mach 3 with your hair on fire,
you can do that on the private rails. So on Web
3, if you have private rails, it's nobody's business
what's going on. So that's what you're going
to find. There's public rails and there's private
rails. So sensible. It makes all the sense. It
makes every sense in the world. There's not one
flaw in the idea at all. Prior to you coming
in, I told Rosie, I said, okay, Rosie, we're
going to get the details now of this. I'm going
to build out a fly -in community. It's going
to have 8 ,000 feet of runway. It's going to
have this, this, this, this, this. We're going
to have the exquisite homes with hangars and
access to the field. We're going to have public.
We're going to have a fixed -base operator for
the transient airplanes. We're going to have...
We're going to have a place for townhomes for
people that want to come for a week. We're going
to have overnight facilities for people at just
like a hotel for one day. And this is on your
vision board, something that you're going to
pull together. Yeah. It's just creating an idea
and taking it to the limit. It's been on my radar.
That's what I'm doing with the church. For like
20 years now. Yeah, same as me. I mean, I've
wanted to do it. It's a great idea. But now,
like I spoke to my friend. I think I might have
mentioned him to you before. He goes by Stinky
Pete. Yes. All right. And so years ago. But I
caught up with him yesterday. Because I've been
deliberating whether or not to go back to flying
or not. Yes, you'd mentioned that. As a career.
Yeah. Because right now I had four requirements.
Four in my mind. Loads of time off. Loads of
money. And I want to be based where the fuck
I want. Three. I mean, that's the fantasy. And
a plane that you want. Well, I needed, number
one, the plane that I wanted. Yeah. Number two,
the base that I wanted. JetBlue needed to pay
their pilots more. More, and they did. And then
I needed my health to be 100%. Yeah. So I could
sit for many hours without too much hassle. Could
you not bid lines where you're just doing two
-hour flights? Or is it all long haul? Well,
I mean, I could bid those. I'm not senior enough.
In Orlando. So you have to go long haul. So for
those of you who are confused, it's like, wait
a minute, I thought you were a doctor. She's
everything. She's a polymath. I'm a polymath
and an autodidact. I don't know what that is.
An autodidact? Yeah, what's that mean? Auto means
self. Yes. Didact is learning. Oh, self -learning.
Okay, that's what I am then. You're an autodidact.
You teach yourself stuff. Yes, okay. If you teach
yourself stuff, you're an autodidact. Right,
that's nice too. I don't need a teacher to teach
me. I teach myself. Teaching myself, I'm learning.
But for those of you who don't know, I'm technically,
as I sit here, an 18 -year captain for JetBlue.
And I'm on leave. I took a leave of absence and
I haven't gone back yet. A big chunk of that
is... I can't sit for a long time. You know,
my arthritis in my right hip. So what do you
do when you're doing all your geek work in your
office? Do you get up and walk around? I walk
around all the time. And then you stand on one
leg, I notice. I mean, you're exercising. And
then you go back and what, sit down for an hour
and you can... Not even an hour. I don't even
sit for an hour. Like sitting with you in the
studio here is probably the longest I'll sit.
Right. I only do... I'll only sit for like 15
to 30 minutes and then I'll walk around. And
you can tell because your body's beautiful. You're
so sweet. I mean, really. I mean, and that's
helping you and you get your hips stronger? Well,
when I'm not sitting, I'm actually stretching.
So when you walk in, you see the little BOSU
ball and a little mini trampoline, like it's
called a bellicon. I will literally sit and bounce.
It's crazy. How many, when you were a kid, when
you... We had those bouncy balls with the horns.
And you held on to the horns, didn't you? I used
to love those. I was really good at that. I bet
you still are. I'm going to get one. I'm going
to get you one. But the little bouncy balls.
But when we were children, 60 years old was like
one foot in the grave. Oh, yes, it's unfathomable.
Can you imagine when you were a kid, a 60 -year
-old bouncing on a miniature trampoline? But
that's what Robin and I do. Every day we just
sit in there and bounce, right? Yeah. But it
helps your lymphatic system. It helps your circulation.
I think it's wonderful. It's not the only thing
we do. So anyway, the idea. So you move around
a lot. So you'd have to sit in one spot. Right.
And that's a problem for me. I really can't sit.
It's extremely painful to sit for more than two
or three hours. And what about lying down? Are
you good lying down? I mean, I move around a
lot. So you twist and turn? Yeah, I flip around
all the time. Like throughout the night, I'm
always flopping around. I'm absolutely a samurai.
Because part of it, parts of it is positional,
but part of it is also... You get one spot that
gets too hot. Yes, exactly. I'm flipping over
all night long. If I had a camera on me, I would
just be moving. You had to flip over and get...
Because I have like three pillows and I flip
over and get a cool pillow. Yes, I do that too.
And then I want to be on this side and then this
side and I want to put my shoulder this way.
So right now, if I go back to JetBlue, I would
be making $365 an hour. Yeah. But that's per
flying hour. They don't pay you to get to work.
They don't pay you when you're sitting at the
terminal. So it's 1 ,000 hours a year limit,
right? 1 ,000 hours. So it's $365 ,000 a year.
How long do you have to be away from home for?
Well, that's the problem. I would be giving up
half my life. Oh, it would be, 50%. It would
be at least 50 % of my life. Yeah. And I don't
think it's worth it. Oh, really? So you've gone
full circle on this one? Well, I've really thought
about it. I talked to Stinky Pete yesterday.
Stinky Pete is my friend. Hi, Stinky Pete. My
friend Pete is just a... Just a brilliant person.
He's been a personal friend of the confidant
for years. F -16, freaking awesome fighter pilot.
He's got a great family. Just really well -grounded.
He's one of those people that you trust, and
then you don't talk to for years, and then you
still pick right back up, right where you left
off. But in the pilot world, we all have call
signs. We all have names. And you never assign
your own name. Like somebody else usually takes
your most embarrassing moment. We talked about
this in one of our really early podcasts, like
number three or four or something. It was like
three or four, yeah. But you never assign your
own. So these people would say, yeah. And so
hang on, but so Stinky Pete put you off a bit
then. You talked to him. He was talking about
not recommending that you go back. to flying
well no it wasn't that he put me off uh i just
personally haven't met that fourth requirement
which is my health requirement but and do you
think you will in his world i think i will but
yeah the question is when and it's also it would
be 50 of your life as well right and so several
factors here one is do i go after the temporary
money because They're going to pay me as long
as I'm flying. Depends what the sacrifice is,
doesn't it? They're going to pay me as long as
I'm flying their jets. What if you did like a
permanent reserve? Look, the law, the current
law says that when I'm 65, even if I'm in perfect
health, my eyesight's perfect. I can see the
quarter mile away. I can see the feathers on
that bird. They don't care. They don't. If you're
65, you clock out. You're done. You can't fly.
You can't fly for an airline anymore. God, that's
so fucked up. So it's like, it's checked up.
My brother used to drive trains for a living
and they got to a certain age. But as long as
you passed your medical every year, there were
men driving trains who were 72. But they tested
you every year and it was strict. You had to
pass that. And driving a train is not the same
as a plane because it's on rail. So it's a different
level. But still, that's a big piece of machinery
with loads of people. But they let you do that
every year. It wasn't like you're done at 65.
Well, I personally think it's age discrimination
because it's like... I mean, I've seen some 65
-year -old pilots and they look like death. Yeah.
So, I mean, honestly, but I don't want to get
rid of those old people, right? Who are competent.
That actually know what they're doing. And replace
them with a 20 -year -old baby. I know, with
600 hours in the body. Wait a minute, you still
have your training bra on. Oh, I know. It's like
you don't even shave yet. Tony and I had the
same conversation about that. These years of
experience. 20 ,000 hours on a seven -year set.
Where their experience is like, yeah, I was an
Eagle Scout. Yeah, I know. It doesn't make any
sense, does it? It really doesn't. But anyway,
65, you get grounded. So you're going to get
rid of all this experience. That's so ridiculous.
And then what next? A young pilot with no experience.
I mean, I've seen it all. I've flown in combat
areas. I've flown in places that I'm not even
allowed to talk about. I've been on the back
end of hurricanes, flying hurricane relief, earthquake
relief. Sounds so exciting. It's very exciting.
But those experiences are priceless. So what
Pete told me was... That should change, shouldn't
it? He said, because my concern. But have a strict
medical every year. But if you're 68 years old
and you're that good and you've got that experience
and you can land a plane and grease it on. Some
of us can thread a needle with the airplane.
Like literally, forget about landing on the runway.
Like that's easy. When I was flying with, when
you're flying with skilled pilots, this is the
way it sounds. It's like, okay, I'm going to
land and I'm going to. I'm going to put the right
wheel on the fourth dash after the numbers or,
you know, before the numbers. They lay their
coordinates down. Yeah, I've heard them do that.
Like we call them spot landings where you're
going to land on speed. And it's not about just
having a nice touchdown. No. It's about making
that airplane. You're going to make what you've
called. You've called this and you're going to
get it so specific you're going to get it. And
some of us, that's what we do. Yeah, that's kind
of cool. Did you ever really fuck it up? I mean,
skidded off the runway, that would be so... Not
off a runway, but... Yeah, I mean, you know,
if you run out of... There's things you can do.
The worst thing you can do is either have too
much airspeed or too little airspeed. Because
if you're... You're going to sink, and then you're
going to have to put power, and then you're going
to float up. Yeah, I mean, it's... That's on
a... In a 152. But once you... If you're in a
jet, you don't have immediate power. No. Because
once the engine's back and it's at idle... Yeah.
That thing's going to land. Yeah. And you might...
Boom, planted in. So have you ever got on the
runway too early and you haven't touched over
the numbers? Have you had any missed when you
were younger? I mean, all of us have messed up
running. If you haven't, if you're a pilot and
you've been flying for, like, my first flight
was in 1981. I flew gliders in 1981. So if you've
been flying that many years and you have not
screwed up a landing... Oh, no, you have to.
You have to. Well, and it's not even that. There's
other things as well. So one of Tony's friends,
he was flying in Manaus in Brazil and he was
coming in to land. And he was a flight engineer
and he could hear the trees on the underbelly.
That's how fucking low they were. And he was
talking to his maker. He thought, we are absolute.
And they got down. And there's all sorts of things.
Tony, he was a first officer. And he lost all
the instruments. Just lost it. He's good at video
games, but he's really good at take -off and
landings. He's just really good at it. But he's
just commercial. He hasn't done the military
training that you've done. So to go back to what...
The whole idea of me going back would be, number
one, can I physically do it with my hip? Number
two would be... Is this the highest and best
use of my time? That's a good one. Because the
opportunity... The other thing is that you're
a homebody too. And that factors in. You are,
and I am. I mean, this is your sanctuary. This
is where you work. So you would be losing that.
Well, I told Rob and I said, you know, we're
putting new empty nesters. Right. And the idea,
this is our turn. Yeah. This is our turn to do
things and have fun with our friends and grow
businesses and explore technology and do things
in the garden. Yeah. Live peacefully and creatively.
The idea from 63 to 65 years old, the idea of
being away half of my life is not very sexy.
It's not very attractive. No, it doesn't sound
it. I can't hear that in your countenance. But
what Pete told me, because I told him, I said,
you know. I've been out of flying for several
years. How do I get back into it if I'm not going
to do it through the airlines? Because the airlines,
I go through school as if I'm a brand new captain.
Even though I've got all this experience, you
still have to come through as brand new and go
through the training, which is good. We call
it knocking the stink off. You've got to knock
off the stink. He said, look, there's more than
one way to get back into flying, and that's a
brutal way to do it. These airlines, they don't
care about you as a person. They don't care about
you as a pilot. You're just a number, you're
a figure. Go fly the airplane, follow our rules.
If you don't follow our rules, we're going to
beat you up. And then when you're done, you're
done, and they don't care about you. And it's
a sad statement, but he was exactly right. It's
so different when you're flying for a family
that loves you. Like if you're flying, they have
their own airplane. Say there's a Part 91, they
have their own airplane. Yeah, it's a totally
different ball game. And you show up to the plane
and you're taking care of them and they love
you and you love them, they love you. You know
each other's first names. And you could just
do like a couple of trips a month maybe. And
then if you could just do maybe your way for
four or five days, that's not going to be a big
deal. That's a way different animal. Yeah, totally.
It's a different animal completely. And so that
to me is sounding a little bit more attractive.
Again, once I get my... And I think, I mean,
you've got a beautiful house, like a mansion.
You've got a Cadillac. You can go on vacations.
At what point is enough money enough money? Well,
it's not about the money. Exactly. And if it
was, you'd have to do it. Yeah. Because you'd
have to, you'd have no choice, but you do. So
the money is great, but it's just not everything.
And that's why I told Rob and I said, this is,
at this point in our lives, this is not about
the money. No. Because after taxes and all that
stuff, I can do the same thing not going to work.
Yeah. Like any one of these Web3 ventures can
exceed 365. And they need your attention. Yes,
exactly. And they really do. So you have to just
be patient. Right. But the thing that I thanked
Pete for... Affirming. For dusting off a part
of my dream that was a little bit dirty and musty
and dusty. Okay, good. And that was that the
idea of owning your own private airplane, not
somebody else's even, but your own, because he's
a senior captain and he can pick any trip he
wants. He lives 20 minutes from Lauderdale. With
JetBlue? Yeah, yeah. He's senior enough, picks
what he wants, picks his trips, goes in, does
his job, comes home. That's it. It's a perfect
scenario for him. For him, yeah. And then when
he's not working, he does his other stuff. You
know, he picks up some contract work. But he
has his own plane. He basically bought his own
plane. It's a Baron with some good avionics,
good engine, good power plant, excellent maintenance.
How far does it go? Well, I mean, you're going
to... You could do a three -hour flight in it.
Probably a three -hour flight you could do. But
it's a twin. I don't know what his tank is. So
you can get from New York to Florida. You can
totally go up the coast. Yeah. I don't know what
his tank capacity is, but to me, the performance,
like you can always tuck in someplace and get
gas. So the distance doesn't matter. Yes, exactly.
It's not so much the distance. It's the ride.
It's the capabilities. He said that his avionics
is better than what JetBlue has on any of their
airplanes. The ability to land in, like, I like
landing with zero weather. Like, if it's totally
fog, you can't see anything, and you can land
that airplane with zero, zero. I love that. Do
you, just going in on instruments only? Just
instrument only. Can't even see the runway. Yeah,
I love flying instrument only right to touchdown.
We used to do that in England. We'd go to London.
You'd need to at Gatwick. It's so fucking foggy
there. Well, we wouldn't do it at Gatwick. We
would use the... the London area controllers,
the air traffic controllers going into London.
But they would fly us into Mildenhall or Lake
and Heath. Yes. So when I was going into Mildenhall,
I'd ask for what's called a PAR. A PAR is a Precision
Approach Radar. So when I was like 50 miles out,
I'd tell Approach, it's like, hey, when I get
to Mildenhall, I want to do a PAR. So they'd
go and get the senior controller. You diva. So
they'd say, okay, we got a PAR. So he'd get there
and they'd crank up their screen. A pain in the
ass. A pain in the rear. AR. Pain in the ass.
Pain in the arse. Arse, yeah. But what a PAR
would be, I would be just looking just at my
instruments. Yeah. Just at my instruments. And
they would say... No VFR, can't look at anything.
You can't get your proximity. You might as well
be having a hood on. But the controller tells
you, you're left, of course, right, of course.
Turn right. If you do a no gyro, a no gyro says,
not only are they telling you what to do, but
they're calling your turn. So it sounds like
this. It's like, Jeopardy 21, you're three minutes
from final approach fix. Report gear down, gear
down. fully configured. Okay. You're three minutes
from glide or three miles from glide slope. Prepare
for descent. You know, it's been years, but basically
you're one half mile from glide slope. Begin
descent. You're slightly above glide slope. Descending
nicely. You're on glide slope. Adjust rate of
descent. You're slightly below glide slope. Turn
right. Stop turn. Right. So if it's a no gyro,
they'll say turn right. Stop turn. So basically,
you're the video game. They're the ones telling
you. They're landing you. This is a big strain
on them, isn't it? But they love it. Well, they'd
have to. The worst thing that could happen, they
could say abort and go around, right, if they
had got that wrong. Yeah, what they would do
is they would say, slightly below glide slope,
adjust rate of descent. Further below glide slope,
adjust rate of descent. you're too far below
glide slope go around now that never happened
to me because i thank god you totally don't want
to be below glide slope it's like because that's
what happened with ian in the jungle in manaus
you had the trees it was below glide yeah you
can't you cannot do below glide slope is a super
bad idea because even with the visual They're
called VASIs, which are the visual glide slope
indicators. That's how I learned. And you had
to have the white and then the red over. And
you knew when you got that you were in the right
place. And then it was white on white. But you
knew if you got below glide slope, you could
just put the power in and then you'd go up a
bit. And you had a long enough runway to do it.
But with this, I mean, it's got to be very precise.
With the VASIs or the PAPIs, the PAPIs are a
little different stack. But basically, it's the
same thing. If you're only seeing red, red over
red, you're dead. If you're red over red, you
don't know how low below glide slope you are.
Yeah. You need to put some power in. You could
be slightly low or you could be way low. Put
some gas in and get out of there. So this is
all to say that what Pete did for me was he dusted
off my dream about... Private ownership of an
airline. So I want to just talk to you a bit
about your dreams. So when we, about a year ago,
maybe when we first met, you were talking about
the big vision that you have. And we can talk
about that at another time. And it's having this,
it was like, to me, it was like the one that
was in Scotland. It's having this community where
everyone lives together and you have, it's just
this big community. And you were talking about
having a fleet of planes and you went into the
ones and you had talked about having a large
one. Now that somehow is... linked to your destiny
because this idea is a very, very large idea.
And what you're trying to do is bring it on out
of the timing, but that is so prevalent in your
mind because that will happen because it's linked
to all the things that you're trying to create
with your life. And I think that presses on you
and you just surrender to that because that will
happen and you will have these planes and they
will be yours. You're such a brilliant person
because first of all, it stuns me that you even
remembered those things. Remember where we were
standing. We were standing out in your driveway.
I'm stunned that you even remember those things
because some of those items are for me like 20
years old. It really impressed me because I have
a big vision myself. And so I thought I'm in
the presence of a person that's really got her
shit together and is thinking big. It's when
I really bonded with you because I like the boldness
of it. And of course it's there. Of course that's
available in the quantum field. That is right
there. What's cool about what you just said is
you're correct. I'm basically in the process
of fusing because whenever a circumstance changes,
like last week when we last spoke after the podcast,
I was thinking about the possibilities of, hey,
if I can get my health good and if these other
conditions are met, I could go back and fly two
more years as a captain. And my idea was that
would be the peak of my flying. But when I was
talking to Pete, he's like, What is your standard?
What is your definition of peak of flying? Yeah,
I was just asking the same thing in my head.
You've already checked the box. That's what I
was thinking. It's like, well, haven't you reached
your peak already? I mean, you've really been.
You checked it off. What's next? What's next
for you? And you have to remember sometimes in
life, if you can't sit for a long time, you're
not supposed to be flying because you've got
bigger fish to fry. So you've got to stay in
alignment. So what you've done is you've synthesized.
the merging or the confluence of two central
ideas for me one is the idea of this fly -in
type of community because if you have a flying
community it can be remote and if it's remote
you can find some exquisite oh absolutely exquisite
properties if you don't have to be by the turnpike
yeah and who who wants to drive you've got a
plane that you can go in and out and you can
have a helicopter helicopter it's going to say
helicopter so yeah if you do this correctly you
can be remote yeah You can have all the accoutrements.
You can have all of the bells and whistles, a
nice, beautiful community. Big, long runway.
You can have a DAO. So you don't need an HOA.
You have agreement. People agree that these things
are going to be done. These things are not going
to be done. And we have boating communities like
that now, don't we? It's the same thing. And
it's just, it's now a flying community. And you
all have your little hangar and you all have
your plane and you can go in and out at will.
Totally. Lovely houses. So we're going to combine
that. And then the other thing, remember I said
you've synthesized this confluence, is the earth
angel community. So I'm seeing this beautiful
confluence of these two ideas and I'm just impressed
that you put that together. It's really cool
of you. And destiny is pulling on you and you're
feeling the pull of that, but it's not this.
Just stay focused on what you're doing and all
that will arise because you've already seen it.
And I'm not, to me, it's not just one decision.
Like the governing thing is... Can I physically
sit for more than a couple of hours? Yeah. That's
the governing thing. But beyond that, I have
to kind of pre -think. They need to design cockpits
so you don't have to sit. You can lie down. So
everything is up here and you could just lie
down. There's a hole in the market for that.
Then you wouldn't have to sit. You could just
lie and fly. Well, I'm excited. I'm kind of joking
a bit, but it's still not a bad idea. Lie and
fly cockpit. Certainly recline. When you look
at some of these, like I was invited to be a...
Are you familiar with Gulfstream? Do you know
what a Gulfstream is? Yes, yes. A lot of private
jets are Gulfstreams. The exquisite ones are.
The exquisite ones, yeah. So these are top -end
jets. How much does a Gulfstream, a good one,
cost? How much did Kim Kardashian pay for hers?
Like $500 million or something? Not $500 million.
No. Like how many? I would be surprised. If she
was going to get a brand new... I think she has.
I think she bought one. The last time I priced
one, it was a $650. It might be up to the $750
or $850. I don't even know how it looked. I would
be, I would think that the basic, basic, basic
model without all of the... Being retrofitted.
You know, without the post... Yes, the add -ons.
Without all the accoutrements, you know, I would
think they're probably in the 30 million. Okay,
so that's not... 30 million maybe. Okay, not
right up there like a Boeing. For a basic, basic
golf stream. Yeah. But I mean, I'm probably way
off. To me, the golf stream is not something
that... most of the people most of the time.
For me, I want to be able to take you, pick you
and maybe a couple other people up. go have lunch
in the Keys and be back by dinner. Yeah, I love
it. Yeah, it's beautiful. I don't need a golf
stream to do that. You don't have to be in fucking
traffic. I don't need a golf stream to do that.
No, but that's beautiful. I love that idea. And
if you want to go to the Panhandle. If you wanted
to go to New York, you can go to New York. Right.
And we don't have to go to New York City. We
can actually go to the municipal port. That's
right. We can go to Martha's Vineyard or something.
You don't have to go into where the cattle is,
where the masses are. So you've got quite bougie
tastes, haven't you? And I love it. You don't
want to be stuck behind people going 10 miles
an hour slower than you. You want to be up in
the air because it's not filled with cars. You
can get right there and you can get there quicker
and more directly. It's more efficient. It's
more beautiful. And then you land. I mean, it's
a much better way of getting around. Probably
the one airplane I'm looking at now is called
the PC -24. It's made by Pilates. How many people
does that sit? Depends on the configuration,
but six very comfortably with their stuff, very
comfortably. But that would be something. Actually,
there's a lot of sheriff's offices. There's a
lot of State Department. There's a lot of people
that use the PC -24 for search and rescue, for
different things, because not only is it great
for cruising, it's really capable for cruising,
but it's also, you can land it. It's a jet that
you can land on a grass strip. Oh, nice. You
can actually land it on unprepared. Yeah, that's
great. It's flexible. If you have a piece of
field. So you could land on Osborne Airfield
across the road. I could land on Osborne if I
wanted to, yeah. So those are things that are
very attractive. It doesn't have to be bougie.
I like your vision. Well, it is a nice bougie
vision and that's totally fine. I mean, it's
such a great way of... I mean, you could get
in a plane now and we could be at a restaurant
in Martha's Vineyard in, what, an hour and a
half or something. It is bougie, but it's lovely.
I think it's a trend item too because my LinkedIn
feed and my... Because I've been looking at airplanes
and helicopters, all of a sudden I'm getting
all of these things coming my way because...
The central authorities. Would you learn how
to fly a helicopter? Oh, yeah, totally. I'm going
to. Oh, are you? I've already flown that. I've
asked Tony that and he doesn't want to learn.
Oh, no. I think helicopters are super cool. You
could have a little pad right out here. Right
out front. That's why I don't have trees. I can't
wait. I'm going to manifest it with you, darling.
I can't wait. That's why I don't have trees in
front. If you look right out my front door, there's
a... And you're going to have a big round circle
and then have an earth angel on it, right? And
that'll be where the helicopter lands. Are you
freaking kidding me? I get a... No! I can see
it in my mind's eye. I can't believe you said
that. Have you seen a picture of my earth angel
helicopter? No! Okay. No, I'm talking about the
pad. No, I'm talking about the actual helicopter.
So let's, okay, we talked about all sorts of
stuff. What have we not talked about that you
want to talk about? Nothing today because we've
run out of time. But I've got my catechism here
and I would like on the next episode to spend
about, I think it's going to take maybe four
or five minutes just reading the questions out.
There's about 60 of them and it pertains to our
Earth journey. And then I'd like to launch into
a bit of a discussion here and there. Okay, well.
Well, I'm glad that... In the meantime, I want
to show you this picture. I'm glad that you're
not going back to Japan. Oh, wow. Oh, my goodness.
That's beautiful. Oh, wow. That is so fucking
bougie. Flashy. Oh, that's sexy. Do you like
that? That's just a prototype. Yeah, I really
like it. Really like it. We need to put this
on the... This has to go on this episode, right?
Oh, you think so? Yes, I do. All right, okay.
Well, we did... We did some... We did talk quite
a bit about aviation, so I think that can go.
So this has been good. Thank you for letting
me talk about Web3. Yes, it's fascinating. To
me, the bottom line on the Web3 is we're taking
power and structure away from the centralized.
Leveling the playing field. And we're creating
a level playing field. So nobody's censored.
Good. Freedom of speech and expression. If you
want to start making your own airplanes and selling
your own airplanes. You usually have the same
access to the internet as Boeing Airlines has.
I agree. And it's a level playing field. Power
to the people, baby. Power to the people, baby.
So, Sarah, thanks for coming out. Oh, it's been
wonderful. And thanks again for bringing me honey.
Oh, you're welcome. You have to squirt it over
a scone. Do you know what a scone is? Yeah, yeah.
And so a bit of butter, and you can have the
plant -based butter, and then just drizzle that
in honey. But I put a lot. Look, I mean, if it
comes to something. And it's just a dessert.
Oh, my, it's so decadent. If it comes to something
like that, I'm going to have real butter. I'm
just telling you. Oh, that's good. But the plant
-based butter is lovely, though. I've had it.
It's really, it's such a good rendition. It is.
I was not disappointed. It is good. But you have
animal butter just once. You can do that once
every four years. You know, if I'm going to have
a little bit of butter. A bit of organic honey.
It's going to be what it is. But the same thing,
like if you had me come on over. If you had me
coming over and you had shrimp on the barbecue,
I mean... Yeah, you're not going to be a prima
donna about it. No, I'm just going to have a
nibble of whatever's there. I won't eat beef
or pork. I'm going to do raw ox liver next time
you come over. Yeah, and I'll watch you eat that.
With a cocktail stick. I'll watch you eat that
because I'm not going to eat ox liver. All right,
darling, you take it easy. Okay, my dear. Thanks,
good seeing you. I'll see you next week. I'll
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