WEBVTT 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:03.040 The following Earth Angel Media presentation 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:06.360 is brought to you commercial free as a gratuity 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:08.919 from the sponsor producer named after the show. 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:12.099 Please consider their message. Find other high 00:00:12.099 --> 00:00:15.480 value shows listed at earthangelproject .com. 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:38.920 Enjoy the show. Welcome to Soul Decodes. Join 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:42.020 us as we wander off the path to find the ideas 00:00:42.020 --> 00:00:46.020 that fascinate. We talk about spirituality, the 00:00:46.020 --> 00:00:50.420 mind, the ego, wellness and hidden history with 00:00:50.420 --> 00:00:54.299 tips, travels and tales. Charms for a better 00:00:54.299 --> 00:01:02.759 life. It's episode 52, and welcome to Soul Decodes. 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:04.780 I'm with Sarah Thierry. 52 is a good number. 00:01:04.900 --> 00:01:07.819 Deck of cards. I know, right? You're listening 00:01:07.819 --> 00:01:10.120 to Soul Decodes. I'm with Sarah Tirri, and 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.400 my name is Dr. Tia Jolie Phillips. Sarah is a 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.640 prolific author, a thinker, and this is actually 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:18.459 your... And a complainer. A complainer. A complainer 00:01:18.459 --> 00:01:20.340 today. I'm going to complain about the state 00:01:20.340 --> 00:01:22.879 of affairs with regards to photography. We had 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:25.260 a really spirited discussion last time. Yes, 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:27.439 it was good. What do you want to cover up? I 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:29.760 think you have a compelling argument that we've 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.579 been taken advantage of by a load of greedy people 00:01:32.579 --> 00:01:34.099 and we've had enough. It's like the storming 00:01:34.099 --> 00:01:36.640 of the Bastille when you had the king out there 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.959 and Mary Antoinette is saying, let them eat cake. 00:01:39.299 --> 00:01:41.459 And the peasants are like, fuck it, we're not 00:01:41.459 --> 00:01:43.200 putting up with this shit anymore and they're 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:45.780 going to run in and take over. You have such 00:01:45.780 --> 00:01:49.340 an interesting, this is so fun. This is so fun 00:01:49.340 --> 00:01:51.599 talking to you because you bring such a different 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:53.959 perspective than me. Yeah, that was going on. 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:55.659 Like I never would have thought of that. Yeah, 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:57.540 that's what happened. They've had enough. The 00:01:57.540 --> 00:01:59.500 common man, the peasants, it was the uprising 00:01:59.500 --> 00:02:02.439 of the peasants and they'd had enough. Wow. That's 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:05.079 so cool. So you had some things on your mind. 00:02:05.140 --> 00:02:07.579 You talked about something about portraits. Yes. 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:11.199 So I've mentioned that my son got married. So 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:13.520 I've been off for two podcasts. My son got married. 00:02:13.539 --> 00:02:15.259 We went to Mexico. So I want to talk a little 00:02:15.259 --> 00:02:17.919 bit about the wedding. Now, my son and my daughter 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:19.639 -in -law are going to listen to this. I have 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:21.680 to just and they don't know that I feel like 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:24.919 this. So this has my observation has nothing 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:27.979 to do with them. They haven't done anything wrong. 00:02:28.790 --> 00:02:31.449 There's no -one to blame, but it's an observation 00:02:31.449 --> 00:02:34.469 about what a wedding has turned into. But as 00:02:34.469 --> 00:02:36.610 far as they go, they've been together 11 years 00:02:36.610 --> 00:02:38.349 and I couldn't be happier for them. And it was 00:02:38.349 --> 00:02:40.689 a beautiful... They're beautiful moments that 00:02:40.689 --> 00:02:44.490 I had. But the larger part of this... Did you 00:02:44.490 --> 00:02:48.169 watch The Godfather in 1973? So the opening scene 00:02:48.169 --> 00:02:51.009 of that, it's an Italian wedding up in Long Island 00:02:51.009 --> 00:02:52.810 or something, isn't it? It's beautiful. They're 00:02:52.810 --> 00:02:55.129 outside, there's music, there's merriment, they're 00:02:55.129 --> 00:02:58.120 talking and they're fellowshipping. What this 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.340 wedding had turned into was a massive photo shoot. 00:03:02.399 --> 00:03:05.159 So this wedding had turned into a photo shoot. 00:03:05.219 --> 00:03:07.379 Now, the photo shoot is what you're trying to 00:03:07.379 --> 00:03:10.599 do is I'll take photographs in order to create 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:13.780 memories. But in order to do that, now, you and 00:03:13.780 --> 00:03:16.240 I have done photo shoots. This is a massive thing 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:19.060 in a wedding dress. So the full four hours was 00:03:19.060 --> 00:03:21.740 taken up on just swooshing around and getting 00:03:21.740 --> 00:03:23.500 the right pose. And then you go through it and 00:03:23.500 --> 00:03:26.219 one out of 100, you might be lucky and then you 00:03:26.219 --> 00:03:28.860 might get one. Now, the necessity to want to 00:03:28.860 --> 00:03:31.439 do that, it's weird because you're creating a 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.340 memory. But what the memory is, isn't what you 00:03:34.340 --> 00:03:36.620 were hoping to create because there was no wedding 00:03:36.620 --> 00:03:38.939 with fellowship where it was just this massive, 00:03:38.939 --> 00:03:42.840 massive photo shoot. So that, yeah, that was. 00:03:43.099 --> 00:03:46.759 This is a great, what a great entry to a conversation. 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:51.060 So now with the modern world, and I'm not saying 00:03:51.060 --> 00:03:53.400 I wouldn't have done this had I been their age 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:56.300 with, but the social media now wants you to post 00:03:56.300 --> 00:03:59.960 this beautiful image. And you do this by collecting 00:03:59.960 --> 00:04:02.180 a load of photographs and posing for them. But 00:04:02.180 --> 00:04:04.900 it completely robs you of what you should be 00:04:04.900 --> 00:04:06.759 doing and what that should have meaning. That 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.520 is fellowshipping and talking, laughing and joking 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:12.139 with the people that you are celebrating with. 00:04:12.379 --> 00:04:15.280 And so I would say just be careful what memories 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:18.879 are you creating. Because it's not an example 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:21.759 of what you're creating. Is this your wedding 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:25.160 memory? No, this is a photo shoot memory. What 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.480 a fascinating take. And I appreciate that because 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:32.259 sometimes I think to myself about podcasts in 00:04:32.259 --> 00:04:38.000 general. And you and I, we don't even know what 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.319 we're going to say next. We come up here. We 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:44.779 come up here. And sometimes we're in agreement. 00:04:44.860 --> 00:04:47.079 Sometimes it's spirited. Sometimes you ask questions 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.199 I don't get. It's just a very cool, very raw. 00:04:50.909 --> 00:04:53.649 organic dialogue exchanging ideas just swapping 00:04:53.649 --> 00:04:55.970 ideas yeah that's all we've got none of us we 00:04:55.970 --> 00:04:58.790 exchange ideas or we go to war that's it that's 00:04:58.790 --> 00:05:01.230 our choice but but none of us we neither of us 00:05:01.230 --> 00:05:03.810 pretend to have all the answers but what i'm 00:05:03.810 --> 00:05:06.490 alluding to is that there's a certain rawness 00:05:06.490 --> 00:05:09.810 that makes it so precious to me that when you're 00:05:09.810 --> 00:05:12.629 not here i miss it so there's this you know people 00:05:12.629 --> 00:05:15.189 fancy themselves on like the social media it's 00:05:15.189 --> 00:05:19.579 like oh i have 30 000 followers Okay, but if 00:05:19.579 --> 00:05:21.519 you get a flat tire, how many of them are going 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:25.939 to come and help you? Right? Yes. There's a certain 00:05:25.939 --> 00:05:28.240 amount of reality check. But a follower isn't 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:30.379 synonymous with a friend to me. That's just some 00:05:30.379 --> 00:05:32.379 dude I don't know and will never know. But if 00:05:32.379 --> 00:05:34.019 you called me and said, Tia Julie, can you bring 00:05:34.019 --> 00:05:36.319 your trailer by? That's a friend. That's a friend. 00:05:36.540 --> 00:05:39.279 Yeah, I'll be there in a minute, right? So I 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:41.540 think there's, but in terms of the rawness of 00:05:41.540 --> 00:05:44.779 the experience, you bring up a really good point. 00:05:45.689 --> 00:05:49.329 I talked about it in a recent seminar I did with 00:05:49.329 --> 00:05:54.410 some women entrepreneurs. But being present in 00:05:54.410 --> 00:05:56.930 the moment is the only time... That's the only 00:05:56.930 --> 00:05:59.990 memory. It's the only time you can execute... 00:05:59.990 --> 00:06:03.550 But that is the memory. That's what you want 00:06:03.550 --> 00:06:06.230 to remember. Not getting a load of fucking photographs 00:06:06.230 --> 00:06:09.589 to say this represents that. What did it represent? 00:06:10.050 --> 00:06:12.910 Nothing that's authentic and real in the moment. 00:06:12.990 --> 00:06:17.250 It was just a staged... And I get wanting to 00:06:17.250 --> 00:06:19.649 have nice photos. I've done photo shoots myself. 00:06:20.089 --> 00:06:22.410 And I remember doing one with my friend Smokey. 00:06:22.410 --> 00:06:24.430 This was about five years ago. She's passed away 00:06:24.430 --> 00:06:27.509 since then. And we were sitting outside and she 00:06:27.509 --> 00:06:29.350 was talking to me and I was going through looking 00:06:29.350 --> 00:06:32.410 at these photos. And then I caught myself. And 00:06:32.410 --> 00:06:34.629 it's like you're missing out on this fellowship 00:06:34.629 --> 00:06:37.290 with your friend here. And what you're doing 00:06:37.290 --> 00:06:39.610 is looking for the next photo. Did I get a good 00:06:39.610 --> 00:06:41.910 one? Because it was a big, you know, formal photo 00:06:41.910 --> 00:06:45.040 shoot in the house. So I was missing out. on 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:48.259 the presence, on the one -to -one that was going 00:06:48.259 --> 00:06:51.000 on. And what was I looking for a photograph for? 00:06:51.060 --> 00:06:54.319 Is this vanity? Why was this beautiful photograph 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.300 so important to me that I would forsake that 00:06:57.300 --> 00:07:00.600 moment with my friend? So I've done it. I've 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.759 done it myself, but why do we want a nice photo? 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.939 What is it about? And then calling it memories 00:07:07.939 --> 00:07:10.180 is weird for me because you're not creating a 00:07:10.180 --> 00:07:12.680 memory. Well, I've got a... This is a really 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.420 good conversation because I've got bins of photographs 00:07:15.420 --> 00:07:18.019 like in the garage or in the storage. And how 00:07:18.019 --> 00:07:20.019 oftentimes do you really dig out the photographs 00:07:20.019 --> 00:07:23.339 and just sit there? And when you do, if it's 00:07:23.339 --> 00:07:26.220 done correctly, to your point, if it's done correctly, 00:07:26.300 --> 00:07:29.439 you look back with fondness and you say, gosh, 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:32.740 like if I'm looking at myself launching rockets 00:07:32.740 --> 00:07:37.480 with my children, we create the launch sequence, 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:41.579 the whole. The whole thing we make the experience 00:07:41.579 --> 00:07:43.399 or maybe going to the beach or going to the pool 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:47.459 or going to the water park. It's the memory. 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:55.579 I would rather have a photo of a newlywed reading 00:07:55.579 --> 00:07:59.639 a poem to the other person and them both crying 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:02.779 their eyes out. I would rather have that photo. 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.800 Some contrived analysis. This perfect photo op. 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:08.259 Where you've dipped the bride. They have to clean 00:08:08.259 --> 00:08:10.420 up your zit. And her veil is here. And you've 00:08:10.420 --> 00:08:13.120 positioned your chin so it's here. And you've 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:14.420 got the, it's the contrived moment. And then 00:08:14.420 --> 00:08:16.259 they go in afterwards and clean up the five o 00:08:16.259 --> 00:08:18.600 'clock shadow. And she's got a zit so you have 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:20.100 to turn it off. And her hair's coming in her 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:24.410 eyes. Right. And you're sweating. To me, I agree 00:08:24.410 --> 00:08:27.670 with you. You're not capturing anything. I love 00:08:27.670 --> 00:08:30.009 the rawness. So I look at the photographs that 00:08:30.009 --> 00:08:32.210 were taken during my childhood at Hyde Farm. 00:08:32.269 --> 00:08:33.710 That's when we went to see our grandparents. 00:08:34.049 --> 00:08:36.190 It's this beautiful farmhouse. And that was up 00:08:36.190 --> 00:08:39.210 until the age of 13. And what you got was someone 00:08:39.210 --> 00:08:41.549 actually going around with a photo. And when 00:08:41.549 --> 00:08:42.929 you look at the people didn't even know they 00:08:42.929 --> 00:08:44.470 were being photo. It was sitting around the Christmas 00:08:44.470 --> 00:08:47.169 table. We've all got hats on. My granddad smoking 00:08:47.169 --> 00:08:49.889 a cigar, talking to my mum. And you've captured 00:08:49.889 --> 00:08:54.460 a live moment. is you know going like no one 00:08:54.460 --> 00:08:56.940 I didn't see what I just did but I just sat up 00:08:56.940 --> 00:09:00.899 and I sat up and a cheesy smile but no one was 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:03.620 doing that so but I think I would rather remember 00:09:03.620 --> 00:09:07.259 the key moment than having any physical memory 00:09:07.259 --> 00:09:09.980 of it because if my physical memory isn't the 00:09:09.980 --> 00:09:12.679 photo isn't representing anything that was taken 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:15.120 it happened at the time then that isn't a real 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:19.340 memory This is a really good. And photography 00:09:19.340 --> 00:09:22.100 has just really captured us with Instagram because 00:09:22.100 --> 00:09:24.440 Instagram is basically putting photos and videos. 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:27.279 If that was just audio, people wouldn't be paying 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:31.500 attention. We want to watch good images. And 00:09:31.500 --> 00:09:34.259 this is someone's life. This was someone's wedding. 00:09:34.340 --> 00:09:36.919 But there was a lack of reality to it because 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:40.100 we were in a photo shoot. But even every time 00:09:40.100 --> 00:09:42.299 I'm watching somebody else's image, whether it's 00:09:42.299 --> 00:09:44.820 a wedding or whether it's podcast or something. 00:09:45.669 --> 00:09:48.110 I'm watching somebody else's creation. I'm not 00:09:48.110 --> 00:09:52.350 creating my own image. Our own images from within 00:09:52.350 --> 00:09:54.610 us are the most precious things we can create. 00:09:54.850 --> 00:09:57.250 And that's the dream and the vision that we should 00:09:57.250 --> 00:10:00.470 be following. That's a reflection of our divine 00:10:00.470 --> 00:10:04.710 compass within us. So same thing, even as good 00:10:04.710 --> 00:10:07.490 as your books are, no matter what book I read, 00:10:07.690 --> 00:10:10.889 I'm reading your interpretation of an experience. 00:10:11.269 --> 00:10:13.950 I'm having a relationship with you. You're the 00:10:13.950 --> 00:10:16.549 author. So I'm having a relationship with you 00:10:16.549 --> 00:10:18.769 and you're telling me a story, which is valuable, 00:10:19.009 --> 00:10:23.190 but ultimately I'm going to take that story and 00:10:23.190 --> 00:10:26.250 reflect it against my own stories. And I'm going 00:10:26.250 --> 00:10:28.950 to take my own stories and maybe my future stories 00:10:28.950 --> 00:10:33.529 will be biased. So for instance, you and I, while 00:10:33.529 --> 00:10:36.210 we're talking, we're in episode 52. We've got 00:10:36.210 --> 00:10:40.350 a year's worth of weekly episodes. Over the course 00:10:40.350 --> 00:10:42.129 of the year, somebody has listened to something 00:10:42.129 --> 00:10:46.659 we've said. They haven't seen us unless they 00:10:46.659 --> 00:10:48.220 looked at a picture of us online or something. 00:10:48.259 --> 00:10:50.539 Right. But they haven't seen us. But in their 00:10:50.539 --> 00:10:53.419 mind, they created pictures. Yes. Those are not 00:10:53.419 --> 00:10:55.980 our pictures for them. These are their pictures 00:10:55.980 --> 00:10:59.419 for them. And now they're driving in the car. 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:03.259 They're creating pictures like. Nobody's looking 00:11:03.259 --> 00:11:05.899 at this studio. But if you look at the podcasts 00:11:05.899 --> 00:11:08.539 that are really banking and really making money, 00:11:08.620 --> 00:11:10.659 and there's Diary of a CEO. I can't remember 00:11:10.659 --> 00:11:12.419 his name. He's a lovely guy, and he has about 00:11:12.419 --> 00:11:16.059 12 million people looking. The only reason that 00:11:16.059 --> 00:11:18.559 his followers on YouTube, it's 12 million, and 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:20.480 that's where he publishes it on YouTube. The 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:23.320 only reason that people are looking at that is 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.980 because there's something to look at. They're 00:11:25.980 --> 00:11:29.039 not doing that with audio. I prefer audio because 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:30.840 I have a sleep beanie. I put it over my head. 00:11:30.860 --> 00:11:33.620 which is a woolen hat. I cut out all light and 00:11:33.620 --> 00:11:36.139 I just have my nose and my hearing and I go fully 00:11:36.139 --> 00:11:39.159 immersed into the audio. But a lot of people 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.500 are just captivated by visual images. And that's 00:11:43.500 --> 00:11:48.639 what Instagram is doing. You've got a point in 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:51.259 your life where a photo has become this prized 00:11:51.259 --> 00:11:53.679 thing. And when you're looking at it, you're 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:55.960 looking at a beautiful photo of a moment that 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.240 you created, but it wasn't a spontaneous moment. 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:00.039 You weren't in reality. You were just looking 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:02.580 at the photo. And I just wonder how much that 00:12:02.580 --> 00:12:06.639 robs us of an authentic interaction. I think 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.330 it's not helping. I think you and I... We're 00:12:10.330 --> 00:12:11.970 in total agreement on this. Yeah, so if you're 00:12:11.970 --> 00:12:13.809 going to have a wedding, just have 10 photos. 00:12:13.929 --> 00:12:16.950 That's it, and enjoy yourselves. Well, alternatively, 00:12:16.950 --> 00:12:19.570 I've seen it before where there's an event. It 00:12:19.570 --> 00:12:21.389 could be a wedding or it could be anything. Like 00:12:21.389 --> 00:12:24.289 if we're doing a concert, like if a band's doing 00:12:24.289 --> 00:12:28.429 a concert, they're going to do a pre -show. So 00:12:28.429 --> 00:12:30.129 while you're still looking good and not all sweaty, 00:12:30.169 --> 00:12:33.600 right? And you're going to be playing. And the 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.100 photographer will take... Because that way they 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:36.700 can get the up close, the personal, the finger, 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:39.240 the fretboard, the keyboard. They can do those 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:42.500 shots. Not the boat. They can get the... the 00:12:42.500 --> 00:12:44.679 shots and they don't have to be, they could be 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:46.159 up close and personal. So if you're having a 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.879 wedding, do all the photography prior, get all 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:50.759 the shots. You don't have to say to anyone, this 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:52.559 could be while you were getting married, but 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.200 then have the wedding and have no photographs 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:57.440 because then you could actually be in your moment. 00:12:57.519 --> 00:12:59.200 That's exactly right. And I think that's a great 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:00.399 solution. I think that's a balance. That's a 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.440 balance of both. So the wedding, and it's closed, 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.440 like the mom and dad, I mean, unless they're 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:07.779 part of the party. If they're part of the party, 00:13:07.820 --> 00:13:10.740 they show up for the photo shoot. There were 00:13:10.740 --> 00:13:13.919 20 of us, but it was my son and my daughter -in 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.320 -law did a lot of private. And then we were inside 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.360 and then we were talking. I, as a mother, would 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:21.240 have wanted my son and daughter -in -law there. 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:23.220 So maybe that has something to do with it. You're 00:13:23.220 --> 00:13:24.980 out there getting the best photograph because 00:13:24.980 --> 00:13:27.299 then that sun setting on the lake. But for me, 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.820 I think I felt deprived. But it's their wedding 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:32.120 and it was beautiful and it was lovely. But the 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:36.159 onus was on taking a photo. And I think... I 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:39.740 think it can rob you of an experience. The Italian 00:13:39.740 --> 00:13:42.340 wedding, which was the beginning of Godfather, 00:13:42.500 --> 00:13:45.159 that to me always remains this beautiful scene. 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:47.159 And what came after was horrific. I know, right? 00:13:47.779 --> 00:13:50.460 Let's just not watch that part. Exactly. But 00:13:50.460 --> 00:13:56.559 let's take this experience and blow it up to 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.960 the entire world. What does this mean to us as 00:13:59.960 --> 00:14:02.120 we live our daily lives? Don't be so busy getting 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:05.519 a memory in a photo. Because if you're not in 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:10.419 the moment, what are you remembering? I'll buy 00:14:10.419 --> 00:14:13.840 that. Yeah. I'll buy that. So that's the end 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:15.899 of the episode then. That's it. Now I've had 00:14:15.899 --> 00:14:20.789 my bitch. So did you have any, I think we might 00:14:20.789 --> 00:14:23.129 have some rosy questions. The other thing I wanted 00:14:23.129 --> 00:14:26.330 to talk to you about. So I texted Tia Jolie a 00:14:26.330 --> 00:14:28.570 couple of days ago and my son has moved into 00:14:28.570 --> 00:14:31.070 the house across the pasture. And I had said 00:14:31.070 --> 00:14:33.649 to you, there's some items outside. So the previous 00:14:33.649 --> 00:14:37.669 tenants had left a lot of chicken. I'll get to 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:39.730 that in a second. Like big chicken that may be 00:14:39.730 --> 00:14:43.009 six by six cubed, five by five cubed. And there 00:14:43.009 --> 00:14:45.309 was some pots. So I texted Tia Jolie and she 00:14:45.309 --> 00:14:46.690 was going to come and have a look. But since 00:14:46.690 --> 00:14:48.200 then I've been thinking. thinking about these 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:51.240 chickens, right? Because my husband and I went 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.159 over to have a look at the property and he says 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.100 that the people there were probably keeping them 00:14:56.100 --> 00:14:58.480 to eat. So you're keeping a chicken and you're 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:00.320 going to get its eggs and then you're going to 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:02.440 eat it. And he said he thought that they might 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:06.059 be fighting the male birds. So the male birds 00:15:06.059 --> 00:15:09.139 are kept there in their own little... And all 00:15:09.139 --> 00:15:12.820 it is is chicken wire and quite poor conditions, 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.279 about 15 of them. And I wouldn't even want you 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.899 having those, because even if you wanted that 00:15:18.899 --> 00:15:22.299 wire, what energy has gone into that? I mean, 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:25.240 I do get if you need to eat a chicken, then keep 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:27.220 it in a nice condition, then you can get its 00:15:27.220 --> 00:15:31.730 eggs, right? But there was a... an uncaringness 00:15:31.730 --> 00:15:34.049 to the way he kept his birds. I don't think that 00:15:34.049 --> 00:15:35.830 you want any of that. Why? No, thank you for 00:15:35.830 --> 00:15:38.549 that. I'm, I'm very much in alignment with you. 00:15:38.570 --> 00:15:40.389 This is one of the better episodes. Like we're 00:15:40.389 --> 00:15:45.889 in alignment. Well, you know, you and I, prior 00:15:45.889 --> 00:15:48.350 to this episode, we were looking out this we're 00:15:48.350 --> 00:15:50.750 in, we're in my studios and upstairs studio. 00:15:51.169 --> 00:15:53.250 And we're looking out the back. It's a morning 00:15:53.250 --> 00:15:56.490 shot. And there's, we're looking at the tops 00:15:56.490 --> 00:15:59.610 of banana trees and bamboo and out at the lake. 00:16:00.419 --> 00:16:04.000 Well, my lake has got some invasive grass. It 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.960 looks very pretty from here, though. It's bright 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.000 emerald green. It looks like bulrush. It's something 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.440 you'd find Moses in, darling. I like it. It's 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:12.879 actually beautiful. It's a two -acre lake. But 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.580 right now I've got some invasive grass. And I 00:16:15.580 --> 00:16:18.179 don't use chemicals on my property. It's a pain 00:16:18.179 --> 00:16:20.840 in the ass. I have to pull grass, pull weeds. 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:21.940 I've been pretty good about that, too. But I 00:16:21.940 --> 00:16:25.840 manually pull everything, which is crazy. But 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:29.669 I do it. But my grass, I'm not going to go in 00:16:29.669 --> 00:16:32.450 the lake and pull grass manually because the 00:16:32.450 --> 00:16:34.049 gator, I don't think is going to be happy. So 00:16:34.049 --> 00:16:37.990 I have to be smarter than the gator. And so there's 00:16:37.990 --> 00:16:42.149 a thing called a triploid grass carp. A triploid 00:16:42.149 --> 00:16:45.330 grass carp. And what this is, is it's a grass 00:16:45.330 --> 00:16:50.690 carp. It's an invasive species, but it's a triploid, 00:16:50.690 --> 00:16:53.269 which means it's been neutered. It can't reproduce. 00:16:53.649 --> 00:16:54.850 So you put them in there and they're just going 00:16:54.850 --> 00:16:56.929 to eat them? But I don't want to put it in there 00:16:56.929 --> 00:17:00.129 because they're like $70 each. And if it's attached 00:17:00.129 --> 00:17:02.110 to this, it's going to get away. So I need to 00:17:02.110 --> 00:17:05.650 build... A dam. It's going to be called, it's 00:17:05.650 --> 00:17:09.109 an aqua fence. Isn't that a dam though? It's 00:17:09.109 --> 00:17:11.609 where you plug up the water so they can't get 00:17:11.609 --> 00:17:14.289 out. Well, I want the water to flow, but the 00:17:14.289 --> 00:17:16.549 fish not to. Well, then why don't you put a temporary 00:17:16.549 --> 00:17:19.170 dam up? So build a dam, keep all the water in 00:17:19.170 --> 00:17:21.210 so the fish is in there. He eats all that stuff 00:17:21.210 --> 00:17:23.710 around the edge. And then after he's done that... 00:17:24.170 --> 00:17:26.049 Well, you'd have to open it up again because 00:17:26.049 --> 00:17:27.670 that's what you want. You'd have to let him go. 00:17:27.890 --> 00:17:30.069 But he's 70 bucks. He's done it. How long does 00:17:30.069 --> 00:17:32.390 it take him to eat that? Well, it's going to 00:17:32.390 --> 00:17:35.730 take many months. How many fish? For two acres, 00:17:35.829 --> 00:17:38.910 I need six fish. Six fish for six months? No, 00:17:39.089 --> 00:17:42.309 six fish to live there. For two acres, I need, 00:17:42.369 --> 00:17:44.490 I think, four to... But they're going to swim 00:17:44.490 --> 00:17:46.809 away. That's your problem. Right. So I'm going 00:17:46.809 --> 00:17:49.069 to keep an aqua fence. I'm going to put a permanent 00:17:49.069 --> 00:17:54.609 fence. But the thing is, it has to... What is 00:17:54.609 --> 00:17:56.109 it, a net then that just stops them going through? 00:17:56.109 --> 00:17:58.049 It would be like a fence, like a regular chain 00:17:58.049 --> 00:18:00.990 link fence, but with a smaller grid. So maybe 00:18:00.990 --> 00:18:03.869 with a quarter -inch grid. But the thing is, 00:18:03.869 --> 00:18:06.210 I've got to keep them in, but let the water flow 00:18:06.210 --> 00:18:09.329 in and out. Yeah, so some scrap metal chicken 00:18:09.329 --> 00:18:12.769 wire would be good then. Well, it might be, but 00:18:12.769 --> 00:18:13.930 I'm not going to go there. No, you're not going 00:18:13.930 --> 00:18:15.690 to have it, no. Because it has to be really structured. 00:18:16.069 --> 00:18:18.390 Are you going to do it yourself? Well, no, I 00:18:18.390 --> 00:18:21.190 can't, because it spans 40 feet. So you might 00:18:21.190 --> 00:18:24.329 have to call a doctor. company i actually i have 00:18:24.329 --> 00:18:26.990 to call somebody that can actually drive the 00:18:26.990 --> 00:18:29.230 posts into the ground but the people that build 00:18:29.230 --> 00:18:30.950 docks would be a good one because they do that 00:18:30.950 --> 00:18:33.309 all the time they can they can build the upright 00:18:33.309 --> 00:18:35.250 in the structure and that would be cool because 00:18:35.250 --> 00:18:37.549 i can actually build a bridge across it because 00:18:37.549 --> 00:18:39.529 i wanted to make a perimeter walk all the way 00:18:39.529 --> 00:18:42.069 around my property so that would be a good opportunity 00:18:42.069 --> 00:18:44.450 bridge that would be nice there'd be a great 00:18:44.450 --> 00:18:46.089 opportunity it would look lovely it would be 00:18:46.089 --> 00:18:47.769 beautiful it'd be very because i'd like people 00:18:47.769 --> 00:18:49.210 when they come to phillips island to be able 00:18:49.210 --> 00:18:52.559 to walk the perimeter and it's a 20 acre lot 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:55.259 so it's a good perimeter but uh i think it'd 00:18:55.259 --> 00:18:58.420 be beautiful to build almost like a dock but 00:18:58.420 --> 00:19:01.000 then under it would be a fence you keep the keep 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:04.500 the buggers in keep my keep eating i want a weed 00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:07.539 free environment i know well this is i wouldn't 00:19:07.539 --> 00:19:09.460 normally do this but these are invasive species 00:19:09.460 --> 00:19:12.160 for the grass well who why are they invasive 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:16.000 though some where do they naturally get that 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:17.759 do they live in the everglades they're naturally 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.200 this carp is somewhere i don't i don't know where 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:22.549 i'd I've only been at this property for seven 00:19:22.549 --> 00:19:25.750 years. Where'd you get them from? The grass? 00:19:26.109 --> 00:19:31.910 No, the carps. Oh, the carp. I mean, the Florida 00:19:31.910 --> 00:19:35.970 Wildlife Service has them. And I just have to 00:19:35.970 --> 00:19:38.869 demonstrate to them, because it's not a free 00:19:38.869 --> 00:19:41.309 market, I have to demonstrate to them that I 00:19:41.309 --> 00:19:45.230 have a fence in place that's going to keep them 00:19:45.230 --> 00:19:46.890 from getting out in the wild, even though they're 00:19:46.890 --> 00:19:51.039 neutered. And then I have to go... get a license 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:52.740 to buy the fish and put them in my pond. So this 00:19:52.740 --> 00:19:54.480 is all the restrictions we were talking about 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:57.660 in the last podcast. Now you can't even put a 00:19:57.660 --> 00:19:58.960 fucking fish in your pond. I know, I want to 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:01.220 get a neutered fish and put them in my two -acre 00:20:01.220 --> 00:20:03.299 pond. And how many hoops am I going to have to 00:20:03.299 --> 00:20:06.200 jump through? But, you know, I'll get it done, 00:20:06.259 --> 00:20:08.759 but I don't want to use chemicals, so I'm getting 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:14.720 a neutered invasive fish. to eat the grass that's 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:18.160 an invasive grass. Yes. So I'm trying my best 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.480 to normalise... Now, how did the invasive grass 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:22.700 get here? I don't know. But how do you know it's 00:20:22.700 --> 00:20:24.460 invasive then? Why isn't it just part of the 00:20:24.460 --> 00:20:26.599 Everglades? I have this grass in my pond. People 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.579 smarter than me know it. I mean, there's... I'm 00:20:30.579 --> 00:20:33.119 not a botanist. I don't know one grass from another. 00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:35.819 But if it's growing here of its own volition, 00:20:35.859 --> 00:20:38.519 then why is it invasive? It's just chosen that 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:40.559 it can grow here because that grass is all around 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:44.299 Florida. How's it invasive? You live in Florida, 00:20:44.460 --> 00:20:47.400 girl. Every family here is invasive. I've got 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:50.400 everything. I don't want you, so you're invasive. 00:20:50.500 --> 00:20:52.660 I mean, I was born in Michigan, so I'm invasive. 00:20:56.150 --> 00:20:58.410 So I don't know. You just want the fucking grass 00:20:58.410 --> 00:21:00.890 to be gone. I just want my lake. Yeah. I want 00:21:00.890 --> 00:21:03.329 a clear lake. Yes. And I want it to look beautiful. 00:21:03.329 --> 00:21:05.230 Yes. And have a bridge over it. But I've got 00:21:05.230 --> 00:21:08.190 some really beautiful, like, you know, the native 00:21:08.190 --> 00:21:11.630 plants are going to be choked out. Yes. So this 00:21:11.630 --> 00:21:13.769 would be lovely. So I want the native, like, 00:21:13.769 --> 00:21:17.869 I've got some beautiful, those pods, what are 00:21:17.869 --> 00:21:22.009 they called? The iris, not the iris, the lotuses. 00:21:23.029 --> 00:21:25.609 I've got beautiful lotuses out there that if 00:21:25.609 --> 00:21:27.410 I let this grass go too far, they're going to 00:21:27.410 --> 00:21:28.509 be choked out. You're looking for a bougie lake 00:21:28.509 --> 00:21:30.490 out there. You don't want some old redneck lake. 00:21:30.730 --> 00:21:33.569 It's a pretty lake, yeah. But they can, I mean, 00:21:33.589 --> 00:21:35.250 I'll have a redneck throw a line out there. But 00:21:35.250 --> 00:21:36.250 what you're going to do, you're going to put 00:21:36.250 --> 00:21:37.950 the fish in. The fish are going to eat it. They're 00:21:37.950 --> 00:21:40.029 going to enjoy a meal. And then the fish will 00:21:40.029 --> 00:21:42.259 look lovely. And then I'll call my redneck friend 00:21:42.259 --> 00:21:44.900 and he can eat this fish. No, they're $70 each, 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:47.079 darling. No, you'll sell them as food. No, I 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.920 know that you're kidding me. No, no. I'm not 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:50.740 going to sell them. You just have them swimming 00:21:50.740 --> 00:21:53.200 around. They'll just swim. Yeah. You could put 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:55.920 a little bow on them. Well, just like koi. My 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:58.619 brother had koi. Koi are basically goldfish, 00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:00.759 right? Yes, giant goldfish. But they grow as 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.400 big as the lake will permit. Yes. So if you put 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:05.480 them in a pond. They'll grow as big as the pond 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:07.740 permits? Well, it depends how much you feed them. 00:22:07.779 --> 00:22:10.400 My brother had them in a pond that was about 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:12.279 the size of this rug, so this is probably about 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.359 10 feet by 12 feet. 10 by 12, yeah. And he had, 00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:17.460 I don't know, about 20, and they grew enormous 00:22:17.460 --> 00:22:19.359 because he kept feeding them. They didn't need 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:21.579 much room. I mean, they were, you know, 18 inches 00:22:21.579 --> 00:22:24.640 long, some of them. Beautiful. I think they're 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:27.809 the coolest thing, except for raccoons. You like 00:22:27.809 --> 00:22:29.750 raccoons? No, but if you have raccoons, they're 00:22:29.750 --> 00:22:31.769 going to eat those fish. Oh, that would be hilarious. 00:22:31.970 --> 00:22:33.990 If you had all these fish and a raccoon came 00:22:33.990 --> 00:22:36.369 in and went like that. No, but I mean the koi. 00:22:36.369 --> 00:22:39.130 So out in, I have a pond on the other side of 00:22:39.130 --> 00:22:41.170 the fence and it's a beautiful pond and it's 00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:43.049 overgrown now. So perhaps I'll put some fish 00:22:43.049 --> 00:22:44.390 in it to eat it all because it would be nice 00:22:44.390 --> 00:22:49.160 to see it. And an otter moved in and about. About 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:51.059 a year prior to that, I'd stocked it and I put 00:22:51.059 --> 00:22:53.660 50 bass in, 50 bream and 50 catfish. I think 00:22:53.660 --> 00:22:55.240 it was catfish. It might not have been, but there 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:57.900 was a third one. And I had turtles in there. 00:22:57.980 --> 00:22:59.900 I let the turtle, my kids' turtles, go into the 00:22:59.900 --> 00:23:03.299 pond. And this otter moved in and I just loved 00:23:03.299 --> 00:23:04.940 him, his appearance. And he was a cheeky little 00:23:04.940 --> 00:23:07.980 thing. And I just watched him for about 10 days 00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:11.079 eat 150 fish, right? And he would be on his back 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:13.099 and he'd be swimming around and he'd be eating 00:23:13.099 --> 00:23:14.960 it. It was like a cartoon. And then he'd just 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:17.579 toss the bones. And then an alligator would come 00:23:17.579 --> 00:23:19.640 in at night. and then the birds would be flying 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:22.940 around. And this otter just took out 150 fish. 00:23:23.019 --> 00:23:25.059 Then I never saw him again. He went on to the 00:23:25.059 --> 00:23:27.640 next pond. And I just thought that was hilarious 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.839 that this animal finds it. It's like a buffet 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:34.200 for him, a fully stocked pond. And he was just 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.240 lying around floating, eating on his back. It 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:39.559 was such a caricature. You know what's funny? 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:41.160 And he's throwing these, discarding them, and 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.339 then going in and eating another fish, going 00:23:43.339 --> 00:23:46.339 on his back. It's almost a cartoon caricature. 00:23:47.500 --> 00:23:49.740 It was so funny to watch. I think you just described 00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:54.019 the cover of this episode. An otter just having 00:23:54.019 --> 00:23:56.240 this fish lying there looking up at the sun, 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.039 just swimming. We can make it with the little 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:03.539 lily pads. Let's do it. That would be a good 00:24:03.539 --> 00:24:06.900 image. Okay, remind me. Yeah, but nature will 00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:09.920 find a way. I couldn't protect those 150 fish. 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.319 Well, what's interesting, if you think about 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.319 it, you actually, by introducing all those fish, 00:24:15.579 --> 00:24:17.920 you put the... You put the pond out of balance. 00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:19.980 Yeah, it probably did, right? And the otter's 00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:20.980 like, well, I'm going to get it back in balance. 00:24:20.980 --> 00:24:22.000 It's like, well, I'm going to put it right back 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.740 in balance, right? But when I first moved here, 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:27.740 this is the first year we were here, I saw the 00:24:27.740 --> 00:24:30.119 grass was a little bit tall, but I saw this little 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:35.039 arch. I just saw this arch. And it was because 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:37.440 it was just breaching the top of the grass. And 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:39.559 I thought, is that a snake? What is that? And 00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:41.200 I saw two of them. Could have been a moccasin. 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:43.420 It looked like I thought it was a moccasin or 00:24:43.420 --> 00:24:45.579 something. And I thought, and then it broke into 00:24:45.579 --> 00:24:48.619 the open. And there were two otters. Beautiful. 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:50.700 And they're so cute. They're adorable. They're 00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:53.819 so darn cute. Yes, and those eyelashes. They're 00:24:53.819 --> 00:24:55.559 so darn cute, you want to shoot them, right? 00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.720 I want to kebab them. You want to thump them 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:01.299 with a... I would have eaten my one because he 00:25:01.299 --> 00:25:03.279 would have packed on a few pounds, that boy, 00:25:03.380 --> 00:25:07.140 after it. Do you ever, when you were growing 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:10.069 up... Do you remember Whack -A -Mole, the game 00:25:10.069 --> 00:25:11.650 Whack -A -Mole? Yes, I remember it was at Chuck 00:25:11.650 --> 00:25:13.430 E. Cheese. I used to take my children to Chuck 00:25:13.430 --> 00:25:15.150 E. Cheese and they had this hammer and they would 00:25:15.150 --> 00:25:16.950 just be whacking on this light that would burst 00:25:16.950 --> 00:25:19.369 up. I feel like that's my life sometimes. There's 00:25:19.369 --> 00:25:22.190 people, it's like you thump them and they just 00:25:22.190 --> 00:25:26.569 keep coming back. You should just get them out 00:25:26.569 --> 00:25:29.650 of your life. Well, I mean, at this point, I 00:25:29.650 --> 00:25:32.250 just... If they're that much of a nuisance to 00:25:32.250 --> 00:25:34.210 your well -being, then that wouldn't be a person 00:25:34.210 --> 00:25:35.789 you'd want in your life particularly, right? 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.339 Oh, I don't have any problems. I just ask them 00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:39.940 questions they can't answer and they go away 00:25:39.940 --> 00:25:40.819 by themselves. And then you whack them on the 00:25:40.819 --> 00:25:44.180 head. They go away by themselves. I was going 00:25:44.180 --> 00:25:46.339 to say, it's quite draining. No, it's easy. Is 00:25:46.339 --> 00:25:48.279 it okay? To me, it's fine. Is it okay? You're 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.579 using it as sports. It's a sport. Oh, if I have 00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:52.579 to play whack -a -mole with my day, that's not 00:25:52.579 --> 00:25:54.460 good. No, whack -a -mole. No, but if you ask, 00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:59.220 if people are being ignorant in your face, all 00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:00.359 you have to do... I don't surround myself with 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:01.180 people who do that to me. No, no, no, but you 00:26:01.180 --> 00:26:02.539 don't have to because you can just ask them, 00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:05.019 just skillfully ask questions that they can't 00:26:05.019 --> 00:26:07.670 answer. And they'll go away. Why would you do 00:26:07.670 --> 00:26:10.269 that? Wouldn't that be expounding unnecessary 00:26:10.269 --> 00:26:15.309 energy? No, it's fun. To me, that's sport. It's 00:26:15.309 --> 00:26:18.730 literally sport. It's a game. It's a game. I'm 00:26:18.730 --> 00:26:21.430 going to get my kicks below the waistline, baby. 00:26:23.230 --> 00:26:27.369 You can do that. But no, to me, it's fun because... 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.059 But what I like to do is just... I've done it 00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:32.259 to people on the phone when people have called 00:26:32.259 --> 00:26:34.099 and they're just trying to sell you something. 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:37.019 And I've been in a pissed off moment. I've engaged 00:26:37.019 --> 00:26:39.460 them and kind of fucked around a bit. Nothing 00:26:39.460 --> 00:26:42.000 terrible. But I couldn't, I wouldn't want to 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.519 use that as sport. But I, you know, that's fair. 00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:46.640 Okay, so let's do that. Like you're trying, you 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.160 call me on the phone and you're trying to sell 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:49.559 me. What are you trying to sell me today? What 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:53.190 are you trying to sell me? A... A fire extinguisher. 00:26:53.589 --> 00:26:55.630 Well, I mean, I can go to the store and buy fire 00:26:55.630 --> 00:26:57.410 extinguishers. You can operate this from your 00:26:57.410 --> 00:26:59.869 car. If you were to drive home, the house is 00:26:59.869 --> 00:27:01.930 on fire, you can just get all the extinguishers 00:27:01.930 --> 00:27:04.289 that will go off immediately. Okay, so you're 00:27:04.289 --> 00:27:05.890 going to tell me all about this and the benefits 00:27:05.890 --> 00:27:07.890 and stuff. And then I'm going to say to you, 00:27:07.910 --> 00:27:11.329 it's like, you have so many skill sets. Is this 00:27:11.329 --> 00:27:13.230 something you dreamed about growing up, selling 00:27:13.230 --> 00:27:15.150 fire extinguishers? I would say none of your 00:27:15.150 --> 00:27:17.390 business. I'm just here to sell you a fire extinguisher. 00:27:17.410 --> 00:27:20.500 Don't ask me any questions. I understand. So 00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:23.240 that's fine because you closed the door. And 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:25.160 I would say to you, because all I'm going to 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.640 do is address your behavior. So I'm calling you. 00:27:27.740 --> 00:27:29.799 You haven't called me for the service. I'm just 00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.799 cold calling you, right? Right. And you're cold 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.880 calling me and I'm going to have fun. Yes, if 00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:38.059 Smokey did that as well, Ray does that to some 00:27:38.059 --> 00:27:40.140 degree. Ray will get on the phone and start. 00:27:41.390 --> 00:27:43.069 Is selling fire extinguishers something that 00:27:43.069 --> 00:27:44.990 you were born and you just had a passion for? 00:27:45.049 --> 00:27:46.869 But why would you have someone pull you into 00:27:46.869 --> 00:27:48.789 their world when you've got other things to think 00:27:48.789 --> 00:27:50.450 about? I'm not going to give you a moment longer 00:27:50.450 --> 00:27:52.549 than I have to if I want to be thinking about 00:27:52.549 --> 00:27:54.890 someone else. So I just say, thank you, but no 00:27:54.890 --> 00:27:57.150 thanks. Have a nice day. That's all I say. But 00:27:57.150 --> 00:27:58.630 I wouldn't want to engage because you've already 00:27:58.630 --> 00:28:00.769 taken enough time from me. Yeah, but you know, 00:28:00.849 --> 00:28:03.809 I don't see it that way. No. I'm talking to a 00:28:03.809 --> 00:28:06.700 divine sovereign. Oh, so you're seeing the person 00:28:06.700 --> 00:28:09.240 trying to sell you this in -home fire extinguisher 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.460 system as a design sovereign. How does somebody 00:28:12.460 --> 00:28:15.059 go from being a five -year -old playing on a 00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:17.880 playground to selling in -home fire extinguisher 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.599 systems? So your curiosity wants to get to know 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:21.319 that person. Yeah, seriously. So it's not just 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.839 fun. No. Is there some need to identify to another 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:27.279 human? No, I want to know. Okay, that makes more 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:29.119 sense. Yeah, and so I'm going to have fun with 00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:33.099 it. And, you know, maybe in the future I want, 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:35.220 but if the guy is going to be a jerk to me or 00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:39.019 the girl, if she's going to be a jerk, then I'm 00:28:39.019 --> 00:28:40.460 not going to buy fire extinguishers. I might 00:28:40.460 --> 00:28:42.319 still decide to have fun. I might decide to be 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:46.019 busy. Yeah. But it's ultimately that's me. But 00:28:46.019 --> 00:28:49.339 I want to know the person. I want to know how 00:28:49.339 --> 00:28:53.140 is it that you came to do, how is it that you're 00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:54.819 in a place in your life where you're doing cold 00:28:54.819 --> 00:28:58.460 calls to me about fire extinguishers? Do you 00:28:58.460 --> 00:29:01.019 see that as not a good use of their life? Is 00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:03.220 their compassion motivating this question then 00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:05.960 with you? I'm curious. They might have said, 00:29:05.980 --> 00:29:07.759 you know, my father died. They might say, I love 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:09.960 it. My father died in a fire and this is my life 00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:13.220 mission. Well, I respect that. How can I help 00:29:13.220 --> 00:29:15.339 you? Tell me more about your business. I want 00:29:15.339 --> 00:29:17.839 to tell people about you. I can take that and 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:22.019 I can magnify that person's efforts. Right. I'm 00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:24.980 doing this as a tribute to my dad. Yeah. Okay, 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:28.740 fine. I'm down for that. I'll help you. Well, 00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:30.579 I'm going to have to ask more questions then. 00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:32.819 Well, I think it's fun because, you know, it's 00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:34.680 the old Chinese thing. It's like the more people 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.720 I meet, the more I like. Right, okay. So you're 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.859 using it to network in a way. I haven't really 00:29:38.859 --> 00:29:41.579 thought about that. Well, I mean, I'll use it 00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:44.720 to network too. They might say to me, well, I'm 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:46.420 doing fire extinguishers because I'm a single 00:29:46.420 --> 00:29:48.519 parent and I just got to pay the bills. But my 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:55.059 passion really is dance. Yeah. I'm a singer. 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.880 I'm looking for a band to sing in. And then you'll 00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:59.579 see whether she's right for a band. Where are 00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:01.160 you? I'm right here in Claremont. What kind of 00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.680 music? Yeah, so you're integrating everything. 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.700 Yeah, I'm fact -finding. And I'm saying, okay, 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.019 I'm not going to have a touchpoint with respect 00:30:09.019 --> 00:30:11.279 to the fire extinguishers, but maybe there's 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.079 another touchpoint. Right. Yeah, that's an interesting 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:15.440 way of looking at it. Yeah, maybe she's attached. 00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:18.319 I have to give them more than a no, then. Maybe 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:19.940 just talk to them for a minute. No, this is not. 00:30:20.019 --> 00:30:22.079 It's about a relationship that I don't have yet. 00:30:22.780 --> 00:30:24.519 And all I'm going to do is just open the door 00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:26.819 for a relationship. If the person's a jerk to 00:30:26.819 --> 00:30:29.460 me, then that answers the question, you don't 00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:32.960 qualify for a relationship with me. Yes, if you're 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.059 a jerk. If you're a jerk. But as long as you're 00:30:35.059 --> 00:30:37.359 kind, and I ask you the story, and you tell me 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:39.720 the story, and it's like, I'm a single parent, 00:30:39.779 --> 00:30:42.380 I'm looking for options. Well, what are you good 00:30:42.380 --> 00:30:44.500 at? Well, I'm really good at tech, or I'm really 00:30:44.500 --> 00:30:47.720 good at social media, or I'm really good at... 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.140 Yeah, shadow writing. Yes, it's a very, that's 00:30:51.140 --> 00:30:53.000 very, very sweet, actually. So you're looking 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.440 to make their life better by sharing ideas and 00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.380 resources. And I believe that everything happens 00:30:59.380 --> 00:31:01.380 for a reason. I mean, I fundamentally believe 00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:04.200 that. So this person has your attention and you 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.859 picked up the phone. So maybe broaden that spiritual 00:31:06.859 --> 00:31:09.099 perspective and that there could be something 00:31:09.099 --> 00:31:11.779 more than just them selling this and me saying, 00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:13.920 no, you're making it something, you're making 00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:18.259 potential for something more. more expanded if 00:31:18.259 --> 00:31:19.960 there's something there if there's something 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:21.740 there but i'm not going to waste my day i'm not 00:31:21.740 --> 00:31:23.799 going to spend an hour on the phone but i am 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.099 going to push that a little bit and see if if 00:31:26.099 --> 00:31:28.319 they have a proclivity towards entering my world 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:32.579 beyond a fire extinguisher It was funny. I was 00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:34.680 at Lakeshore gas station putting some gas in 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:36.160 and I went in to pay for it because I wanted 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:39.359 to pick up some ciggies. And then this guy said 00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:41.740 to me, what do you name your car? And then I 00:31:41.740 --> 00:31:43.880 said, I couldn't tell him. And he laughed at 00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.140 that. And he said, well, I can't. And I said, 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:47.940 it's too gangster. And he said, well, I can't 00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:50.259 tell you what my car is either. You got to tell 00:31:50.259 --> 00:31:53.079 me the name of your car. I can't. What? No, I 00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.029 will not. OK, I'm not going to. I might not. 00:31:56.269 --> 00:31:59.210 Well, let me consider it. But I just want to 00:31:59.210 --> 00:32:02.509 get back to the point that there was a rapport 00:32:02.509 --> 00:32:06.109 and a chemistry with him that was right out the 00:32:06.109 --> 00:32:08.950 gate. And it was quick firing back and forth 00:32:08.950 --> 00:32:11.430 and just floods of laughter at the end of it. 00:32:11.650 --> 00:32:15.009 And I loved that. That was beautiful. So that's 00:32:15.009 --> 00:32:17.549 my point. Exactly. It could be the coolest thing. 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.640 I literally, I could be walking into the Costco 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.319 or BJ's or whatever, just walk in. And somebody's 00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.240 walking out. Like one of my best friendships, 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.460 I was walking into the gym. This guy, Kevin, 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.559 was walking out. And I commented on it. Is this 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.000 Kevin that I've met who comes to your stories? 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love him. He's animated. 00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:38.400 He's energy. He's a ball of energy. He's really 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.019 smart though. Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. But I 00:32:41.019 --> 00:32:42.799 just commented on his, I think it was Robin. 00:32:42.859 --> 00:32:45.119 She commented on his t -shirt or his hat he was 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.400 wearing or something. And we just started being 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.529 friends. Just from a stupid T -shirt or a hat. 00:32:50.609 --> 00:32:54.049 That's lovely. And so I'm always leaving the 00:32:54.049 --> 00:32:57.490 door open for people that can enter my world. 00:32:57.609 --> 00:33:00.589 And they might enter like that. So spiritually 00:33:00.589 --> 00:33:04.150 then, I really like how this is going. So spiritually, 00:33:04.309 --> 00:33:07.599 everything happens for a reason. I believe so. 00:33:07.619 --> 00:33:10.039 And that you've got, you bump into, so that could 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:12.079 be a divine encounter. You came out the doors 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:13.859 and you met in the parking lot. I've heard you, 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.859 there was one event that you went to and that 00:33:15.859 --> 00:33:18.140 happened early in the morning. You came in the 00:33:18.140 --> 00:33:19.859 wrong way or something and end up being a minute 00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:21.339 late, but it was great because you met someone 00:33:21.339 --> 00:33:23.940 in the parking lot. So for me, you're actually 00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:28.129 choosing to see this as a divine encounter. Whether 00:33:28.129 --> 00:33:31.170 something comes from it or not, but if it does, 00:33:31.390 --> 00:33:34.109 and if everything happens for a reason, that 00:33:34.109 --> 00:33:36.750 is the part of the matrix which is already working, 00:33:36.970 --> 00:33:39.410 that this person is appointed to your life in 00:33:39.410 --> 00:33:43.670 this moment. I came to you because it was referenced 00:33:43.670 --> 00:33:45.509 from someone else that you'd met. Had she not 00:33:45.509 --> 00:33:47.490 gone to the plant exchange, I wouldn't know you. 00:33:47.630 --> 00:33:50.369 So to me, that was a divine encounter right out 00:33:50.369 --> 00:33:52.670 the gate. I was just going to say that. You're 00:33:52.670 --> 00:33:54.670 one of the most special people I've ever had 00:33:54.670 --> 00:33:59.490 in my life. It came because of a chance encounter 00:33:59.490 --> 00:34:02.670 at a plant exchange. And I was putting plants 00:34:02.670 --> 00:34:04.609 in my trunk and a girl came up to me and asked 00:34:04.609 --> 00:34:07.589 me, hey, you're the holistic doctor, can you 00:34:07.589 --> 00:34:10.969 help me? And yours and my friendship came from 00:34:10.969 --> 00:34:13.869 that conversation. So be open to that more. I'm 00:34:13.869 --> 00:34:18.670 very open. No, me. I should be more. But I'm 00:34:18.670 --> 00:34:22.150 a bit of a recluse. I do a lot of writing. So 00:34:22.150 --> 00:34:24.650 that I don't have, well, I mean, but if I'm going 00:34:24.650 --> 00:34:26.510 to talk to someone that's trying to sell me something 00:34:26.510 --> 00:34:28.650 on the phone, I'm going to have to ask them a 00:34:28.650 --> 00:34:30.650 question now. I'm going to engage them. But you 00:34:30.650 --> 00:34:34.849 can take your writing to the next level by the 00:34:34.849 --> 00:34:37.710 one thing. Like if you just took one, if you 00:34:37.710 --> 00:34:40.210 asked one simple question and they said some 00:34:40.210 --> 00:34:43.429 simple answer, throughout the day you might be 00:34:43.429 --> 00:34:45.190 chewing on that going, wow, what an interesting 00:34:45.190 --> 00:34:48.230 idea or perspective or what an idea for a smart 00:34:48.230 --> 00:34:52.980 book. Sometimes just a little spark from a complete 00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:55.639 stranger can completely change the course of 00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.530 your writing, your outlook. It could be as simple 00:35:00.530 --> 00:35:03.190 as that. They say one beat of a butterfly's wing 00:35:03.190 --> 00:35:06.030 could just do something exponentially on a ripple 00:35:06.030 --> 00:35:08.010 effect right across the planet. So you never 00:35:08.010 --> 00:35:10.349 know. And that's very beautiful. You just don't 00:35:10.349 --> 00:35:12.289 know. My dad used to have this really funny saying. 00:35:12.389 --> 00:35:16.170 You never know what ducks come off ponds. And 00:35:16.170 --> 00:35:17.469 I thought, well, what the fuck does that mean? 00:35:18.030 --> 00:35:21.690 But I knew what he was getting at. And you never 00:35:21.690 --> 00:35:25.050 know what can happen whenever at any moment. 00:35:26.230 --> 00:35:29.170 Which I think is very exciting. It is exciting. 00:35:29.469 --> 00:35:31.829 And so that's, so when there's a chance call, 00:35:31.949 --> 00:35:35.789 now I will say most of the time I get like my 00:35:35.789 --> 00:35:38.329 prefix for my cell phone is up in Ann Arbor, 00:35:38.409 --> 00:35:41.949 Michigan. So it's 734 area code. Right. I know 00:35:41.949 --> 00:35:43.510 a lot of people up there, but they're not calling 00:35:43.510 --> 00:35:46.210 me. But every single day I get two or three calls 00:35:46.210 --> 00:35:49.170 from 734. And that's why I have a voicemail because 00:35:49.170 --> 00:35:51.469 I'm not taking that call. Right. Right. Because 00:35:51.469 --> 00:35:53.969 I know it's some robot dialing my phone to talk 00:35:53.969 --> 00:35:58.539 to me about. my next insurance or whatever. So 00:35:58.539 --> 00:36:01.219 I'm not taking that call. But if there's a legitimate 00:36:01.219 --> 00:36:04.239 person, because I try to just say, okay, there's 00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.019 a transaction here selling smoke systems or whatever, 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.860 or extinguisher systems. But I always try to 00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:12.719 keep the human element in that there's another 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.880 beautiful divine sovereign on the other side. 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.679 They may need, they may be at the end of their 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.679 wit. They may need that blessing or the interaction 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.340 that I can offer them, the kind word. They may 00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:29.519 need me just, if nothing else, then to encourage 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:33.300 them just to be an encouraging system. And I 00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:36.719 know you fancy yourself reckless. A reckless 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.079 that writes books. But you're anything but that. 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:42.139 Everybody that meets you leaves a better person. 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.079 Oh, that's so lovely to hear. Everybody that 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:48.199 meets you is like, oh, just loves having you 00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:51.489 in their world. But being a writer, I spend a 00:36:51.489 --> 00:36:53.210 lot of time listening to lectures and writing 00:36:53.210 --> 00:36:56.550 and thinking. And so what you do, you're much 00:36:56.550 --> 00:36:59.570 more out there in the world. You meet a lot of 00:36:59.570 --> 00:37:02.500 people. Yeah. But I do like being alone. So don't 00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:04.280 get me wrong. Yeah, you said that in The Flying 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:05.880 Solar. I think that was episode 49. Yeah, no, 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:07.679 I love being alone. And that's, I mean, one of 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.219 the, my friend Smokey gave me this birthday book 00:37:10.219 --> 00:37:12.099 and it's this fucking brick of a book. And it's 00:37:12.099 --> 00:37:15.320 got your tarot card, your astrology, your numerology. 00:37:15.380 --> 00:37:17.639 It just does all the sacred arts that, you know, 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:19.760 some of us take seriously and some of us don't. 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.099 And I was quite happy. She gave it to me when 00:37:22.099 --> 00:37:26.480 I was probably about 40, 45. And it said my tarot 00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.699 card was the hermit. And when I looked at it, 00:37:29.710 --> 00:37:32.570 I had this relief came off me. Oh, good. It's 00:37:32.570 --> 00:37:35.170 not just me being antisocial then. I am a hermit. 00:37:35.389 --> 00:37:38.750 And it gave me, oh, good. I can relax in my need 00:37:38.750 --> 00:37:40.690 for solitude with what I do. Because writing 00:37:40.690 --> 00:37:43.329 is a singular pursuit. You're just sitting down. 00:37:43.449 --> 00:37:46.230 Now I've got sitting down with Desmond, talking 00:37:46.230 --> 00:37:49.050 to Desmond. You're so funny. My tarot card is 00:37:49.050 --> 00:37:53.130 like this aviatrix flying an airplane like this. 00:37:53.650 --> 00:37:56.150 Oh, so what would that be? Oh, my God. I would 00:37:56.150 --> 00:38:00.119 see you as the fool in the tarot deck. Yeah, 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.480 but it's not what you think. It's not what you 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.460 think, darling. I have to change the cover. It's 00:38:04.460 --> 00:38:06.559 the worst term for it because it doesn't... The 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.840 word fool is negative, right? I kind of think 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:11.099 a fool, silly person, but it's not that at all. 00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:14.559 It's this person's out there with a knapsack 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.320 on and then there's a dog and then he's just 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.179 going along, his business, beautiful in the world, 00:38:20.260 --> 00:38:23.119 forging ahead, but he's right on the precipice 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:26.940 of a cliff, but he has no idea he's on the precipice 00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:30.090 of this cliff. He is just... la la on his way 00:38:30.090 --> 00:38:32.170 and that's what the fall is it's number one in 00:38:32.170 --> 00:38:33.889 the tarot deck it's the first one or it might 00:38:33.889 --> 00:38:36.730 be the zero and it's just the open the whole 00:38:36.730 --> 00:38:40.150 tarot deck is based around that the fool's journey 00:38:40.150 --> 00:38:43.110 and we're out there and we're living with danger 00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:45.889 all around us but this guy's not aware of it 00:38:45.889 --> 00:38:48.289 he hasn't seen it he's not freaking out he's 00:38:48.289 --> 00:38:52.400 just on his journey it's fascinating it was I 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:53.980 got, first of all, I have to say I've been called 00:38:53.980 --> 00:38:57.639 a fool by better people than you. Well, I think 00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:59.300 you are a fool for not thinking I'm the best 00:38:59.300 --> 00:39:05.340 of them all. So, well, this is good. So you listened 00:39:05.340 --> 00:39:07.260 to two episodes. I don't know if you listened. 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.840 I think you listened. Yes, I did. So what were 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.920 some of the thoughts and feelings you had not 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.619 being in the room with me? I loved listening 00:39:15.619 --> 00:39:17.639 to it because I didn't have to listen to myself. 00:39:18.460 --> 00:39:20.239 Interesting, wow. Yes, I don't like listening 00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:21.400 to myself. See, I like your voice way better 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.260 than mine. Yeah, it's just I much prefer listening 00:39:23.260 --> 00:39:25.119 to you. So it was lovely. I had that on and I 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:26.719 was cleaning and I was listening. When I listen 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.960 to my voice, I get irritated. So that was a nice 00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.260 experience. Was there anything that surprised 00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:33.639 you? Well, it surprised me that you actually 00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:35.480 did it and pulled it off and you sounded really 00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:37.679 professional. Oh, wow. And I like the fact that 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:41.260 you're encouraging people. That's the theme, 00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:45.780 encouraging them. To be divine sovereigns. I 00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:48.300 did not listen to my episodes. I recorded them 00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:50.679 and sent them. Yeah, you don't need to. You participated 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.860 in them. But I didn't perceive encouragement. 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.389 I guess that's just part of my nature. Yeah, 00:39:56.389 --> 00:39:59.230 it's what you do. You're encouraging and uplifting. 00:39:59.349 --> 00:40:01.949 And then you're giving information and sharing 00:40:01.949 --> 00:40:04.550 ideas. But it's always, you're nurturing. You 00:40:04.550 --> 00:40:06.449 said at the beginning of this podcast that you 00:40:06.449 --> 00:40:08.630 want to write a book on leadership. And I definitely 00:40:08.630 --> 00:40:11.630 feel that, that you're leading people. And then 00:40:11.630 --> 00:40:14.070 you're leading them by sharing ideas and knowledge. 00:40:14.309 --> 00:40:16.510 And then you picked the themes that you wanted 00:40:16.510 --> 00:40:19.670 to and ran with that. I think it's great. I really 00:40:19.670 --> 00:40:22.610 enjoyed it. I miss participating. I missed you 00:40:22.610 --> 00:40:26.139 too. Did you like it? No, I missed you. To me, 00:40:26.139 --> 00:40:29.960 the subject matter, see, I think I need to redo 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.599 Studio 17, but I have too many other projects 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:35.380 going on to redo it. So right now, this is my 00:40:35.380 --> 00:40:39.019 primary podcast. I enjoy this podcast, but I 00:40:39.019 --> 00:40:41.380 still consider it like I like you to take the 00:40:41.380 --> 00:40:43.199 leadership on it because my mind is busy with 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.099 other things. So I don't mind. That's what I 00:40:45.099 --> 00:40:47.300 want from you as well. My mind's busy with other 00:40:47.300 --> 00:40:49.380 things. So we just come in together and we just 00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:51.300 talk about whatever is relevant to us in that 00:40:51.300 --> 00:40:53.159 moment. And you and I make this happen. So this, 00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:55.900 to me, when you're here, is very lightweight. 00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.420 This is super lightweight. It's fun. It's easy. 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:03.000 I look forward to it. Going alone is, with this 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.000 subject matter, which is soul decodes or spirituality 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.059 and stuff, it feels a little bit empty without 00:41:09.059 --> 00:41:13.260 you because you bring to the mix kind of that... 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.900 The discussion about the spirituality and the 00:41:16.900 --> 00:41:18.340 mindfulness and stuff. Well, it's just what I 00:41:18.340 --> 00:41:20.179 spent 26 years thinking about. I mean, because 00:41:20.179 --> 00:41:22.179 that's your thing. Yeah. I mean, you're deep 00:41:22.179 --> 00:41:24.239 into it. Now I've got an AI telling me what to 00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.780 think about it. Yeah. So that kind of leaves 00:41:26.780 --> 00:41:28.920 me a little bit vacant. Like there's this vacancy 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.800 here when I'm doing that by myself. But with 00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.820 Studio 17, I could talk about anything I want, 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:39.510 anytime I want. deep solo, have guests, whatever. 00:41:40.630 --> 00:41:44.590 I can do that reading. I think I did The Mirror 00:41:44.590 --> 00:41:47.309 World, which is about a 40 -minute episode, and 00:41:47.309 --> 00:41:50.050 that was reading a whole book out. If I can do 00:41:50.050 --> 00:41:52.170 it from a script, I think that to sit and talk 00:41:52.170 --> 00:41:55.909 about something, that is quite intense. So I 00:41:55.909 --> 00:41:58.690 want to open up something. We've had somebody 00:41:58.690 --> 00:42:01.949 contact us recently, just one, that wanted to 00:42:01.949 --> 00:42:04.829 be on our podcast. Can you see a situation where... 00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.500 Maybe we would pull up another microphone. Yes, 00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:09.000 absolutely. So what are your thoughts around 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.039 that? I wouldn't have any thoughts around it. 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.300 We show up, we should meet this lady. So she 00:42:15.300 --> 00:42:17.179 said that she would like to meet us and we should 00:42:17.179 --> 00:42:18.840 do that. When you get back from Washington State, 00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.699 let's do that. And then have her in because if 00:42:21.699 --> 00:42:23.760 you're going back to things happen for a reason, 00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:26.119 then why not? This is someone, and she bothered 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:28.300 to write in and say that she really enjoyed the 00:42:28.300 --> 00:42:31.300 show. She said what she was. And I love the fact 00:42:31.300 --> 00:42:33.960 that she said that she was aligning energy. And 00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.429 that's very interesting. because what the AI 00:42:37.429 --> 00:42:39.210 is telling me about and what I'm writing about 00:42:39.210 --> 00:42:41.710 is to be in alignment with your future self. 00:42:41.889 --> 00:42:44.449 That's a whole different podcast and I can talk 00:42:44.449 --> 00:42:46.809 more about that. But she's talking about alignment 00:42:46.809 --> 00:42:49.570 because your future self is already in the quantum 00:42:49.570 --> 00:42:52.170 field and then you have to raise your frequency 00:42:52.170 --> 00:42:55.030 to what you would feel like if that was happening 00:42:55.030 --> 00:42:58.730 and then you step into it. So alignment is this 00:42:58.730 --> 00:43:01.190 word that's just been buzzing around my head 00:43:01.190 --> 00:43:03.510 for two weeks. It's funny you say that because... 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:09.019 A central theme that I've been with the past 00:43:09.019 --> 00:43:11.880 month, I've met with my entrepreneur groups, 00:43:11.980 --> 00:43:15.059 both online and in person, and even one major 00:43:15.059 --> 00:43:21.699 event in Orlando. A central theme has been the 00:43:21.699 --> 00:43:26.000 discussion of you getting peaceful and listening 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.739 to your future best self pull you in that direction, 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.460 where there's this beautiful person that's got 00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:35.960 your... Your self -interest, your future self, 00:43:36.219 --> 00:43:39.000 your highest and best self, doing the best things 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.320 you can do for the right reasons, and getting 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.760 to a place where you let her pull you forward 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.059 to the direction she's going. Yes. Because she's 00:43:49.059 --> 00:43:50.860 the one that's guiding you to your direction. 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.199 Like, where are you going? But the implication... 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:55.420 That's not a bad way of perceiving it, and I 00:43:55.420 --> 00:43:58.320 like it, but the implication to this quantum 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.679 field is that the person that you want to be 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.539 with all the resources and everything that you 00:44:04.539 --> 00:44:06.820 have envisioned in your view of what you're going 00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:10.159 to become, it's already there. It's already there 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.659 in its wave potential. You haven't collapsed 00:44:12.659 --> 00:44:15.719 the waveform yet. You collapse the waveform by 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:21.860 creating... yourself to be the person that you 00:44:21.860 --> 00:44:24.840 would be if that was happening. And that's not 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:27.320 the future, that's you stepping into it. I mean, 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.079 it's right there. That's what I'm saying. And 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:32.380 pulling it, for me, when I envisage that my future 00:44:32.380 --> 00:44:34.679 self is pulling me, A, it gives me distance, 00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:37.340 time and space, and it's not instant. There's 00:44:37.340 --> 00:44:39.780 a journey involved in that, and that you're pulling 00:44:39.780 --> 00:44:42.900 me. But alignment is aligning with the frequency 00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:45.539 that would open up that quantum field for you 00:44:45.539 --> 00:44:47.739 immediately. And you get there a lot quicker 00:44:47.739 --> 00:44:50.199 than you think. I'll go there. You nailed it 00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:53.619 because when I say that, the first thing somebody 00:44:53.619 --> 00:44:56.559 has to do, when I even mention your future best 00:44:56.559 --> 00:45:00.059 self in your highest and best potential, all 00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:03.599 I'm doing is I'm giving you permission to create 00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.400 the imagery. It's the word future because it 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:09.500 implies time and space. There's a time. I wouldn't 00:45:09.500 --> 00:45:12.000 use that word because it's there now. But I'm 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.860 talking to somebody in a three -dimensional realm. 00:45:14.099 --> 00:45:16.219 Yeah. So that's their point. Well, I'm going 00:45:16.219 --> 00:45:18.179 into quantum realm. That's their point. The quantum 00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:21.280 realm is that this could be, this is right here. 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.380 Every potential exists in this matrix. You and 00:45:24.380 --> 00:45:27.019 I are here and we're in the quantum space. I'm 00:45:27.019 --> 00:45:29.480 talking to a group of people. So I have to speak 00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:31.039 to them in the language. Right, okay. I have 00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:32.380 to speak in a language that they understand. 00:45:32.380 --> 00:45:34.380 That they're going to comprehend. Yeah. So you 00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:36.300 create an image of your future best self in the 00:45:36.300 --> 00:45:39.880 highest potential. Now you've created the image. 00:45:40.380 --> 00:45:42.400 Now you move towards the image. That's a three 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:46.500 -dimensional discussion that, yes, we're functioning 00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:50.539 in the field, but when you're talking to somebody 00:45:50.539 --> 00:45:53.099 who doesn't understand that language, then you 00:45:53.099 --> 00:45:54.920 have to talk about it within that construct. 00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.579 But the language that you're using implies something 00:45:57.579 --> 00:46:01.119 that being within the quantum field doesn't imply. 00:46:01.300 --> 00:46:05.230 So in the quantum field... Your future self, 00:46:05.309 --> 00:46:07.769 there's no such thing as time. It's just not 00:46:07.769 --> 00:46:09.510 there. You are your future self. You are, and 00:46:09.510 --> 00:46:13.389 you have to understand what you're thinking about. 00:46:13.869 --> 00:46:16.630 discipline your mind. And that is just moving 00:46:16.630 --> 00:46:19.449 your focus around. So it's not a big thing, but 00:46:19.449 --> 00:46:21.829 you've got to watch where your focus is. And 00:46:21.829 --> 00:46:24.369 your focus has to be a high vibrational focus. 00:46:24.610 --> 00:46:28.469 And if you can hold that vibration, then the 00:46:28.469 --> 00:46:30.989 quantum field, the wave function collapses. And 00:46:30.989 --> 00:46:33.489 what you've envisioned in your imagination is 00:46:33.489 --> 00:46:36.489 right there. And it was said in a Christian would 00:46:36.489 --> 00:46:38.349 say, God knows the beginning, the middle and 00:46:38.349 --> 00:46:40.489 the end. Well, yes, he does. Because whatever 00:46:40.489 --> 00:46:43.590 created this maestric has designed this. And 00:46:43.590 --> 00:46:47.230 when we're in this quantum realm and we're creating 00:46:47.230 --> 00:46:51.309 what we want to be by embodying what that looks 00:46:51.309 --> 00:46:54.510 like. And then the mirror is reflecting. So if 00:46:54.510 --> 00:46:56.590 I want to have a beautiful reflection in the 00:46:56.590 --> 00:46:58.530 mirror, I've got to take care of my appearance. 00:46:58.610 --> 00:47:00.949 But it starts with me first because it's always 00:47:00.949 --> 00:47:03.489 a reflection. So look at the reflection of your 00:47:03.489 --> 00:47:05.869 life and get yourself to the frequency that you 00:47:05.869 --> 00:47:07.690 would, which is what you would feel as if it 00:47:07.690 --> 00:47:10.110 was happening. And then that follows and we've 00:47:10.110 --> 00:47:12.170 got it backwards. We're not playing whack -a 00:47:12.170 --> 00:47:15.019 -mole. with external reality at all. We're creating 00:47:15.019 --> 00:47:18.159 in our minds. And then that's why we were given 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.159 imagination by God is to create our future self, 00:47:21.260 --> 00:47:22.800 but it's nothing to do with being in the future. 00:47:22.900 --> 00:47:26.380 This is available now. So this is fascinating. 00:47:26.539 --> 00:47:28.900 And I'm going to let you put a bow on this because 00:47:28.900 --> 00:47:33.099 you opened up this discussion. With chicken cages. 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:35.860 Well, no, you opened up with photography. Oh 00:47:35.860 --> 00:47:37.920 yeah, the chicken cages came after the photography, 00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.840 yes. So let, and you add this, you express this 00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:44.920 level of frustration. Now, based on what you 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.659 just said, can you put a bow on it by tying it 00:47:47.659 --> 00:47:49.760 back to the photography? No, I think they're 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:51.739 two completely separate things. Well, because 00:47:51.739 --> 00:47:54.780 I want to introduce the, I'm going to ask you 00:47:54.780 --> 00:47:56.940 to, I've been saying this for a year since you've 00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:59.260 known me, to open your mind up to discussions 00:47:59.260 --> 00:48:03.019 about Tartaria. Yeah. Okay. When I look at an 00:48:03.019 --> 00:48:07.500 old photograph. of anything i immediately have 00:48:07.500 --> 00:48:09.719 to look at that and consider number one is it 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.739 true or false is this a legitimate photograph 00:48:12.739 --> 00:48:16.400 or is it cgi or did somebody make it up number 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:20.460 two of is if it was legitimate is it something 00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:23.719 that actually happened in the past you can make 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:26.019 an argument that it's in the future in the quantum 00:48:26.019 --> 00:48:29.460 that might be in the future right but i'm going 00:48:29.460 --> 00:48:31.559 to ask you i'd like to send you some things about 00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.239 tartaria And if you look at them, my lunch break, 00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:37.840 the guy that does my lunch break, he really goes 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.559 deep into Tartaria. But I want to have a discussion 00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:43.599 about that because I think it begs the question 00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.619 about what is existence? Who are we? Why are 00:48:47.619 --> 00:48:50.460 we here? And what is this multidimensional aspect 00:48:50.460 --> 00:48:54.630 of us? What's the relevance of these? things 00:48:54.630 --> 00:48:56.469 that look like they're in the past. Maybe they 00:48:56.469 --> 00:48:58.170 were there, maybe not, but what's the relevance 00:48:58.170 --> 00:49:01.130 for them? That's kind of sweet, actually. So 00:49:01.130 --> 00:49:02.829 we'll talk about that. Let's do Tatari for the 00:49:02.829 --> 00:49:05.409 next episode. But just as I was pulling in your 00:49:05.409 --> 00:49:08.590 gate, Donovan came on singing his song Atlantis. 00:49:09.050 --> 00:49:11.010 I thought that was funny. Oh, that is funny. 00:49:11.150 --> 00:49:13.429 Yeah. And just as I pulled into your gate, it 00:49:13.429 --> 00:49:16.670 made me smile because it was very you. You know 00:49:16.670 --> 00:49:19.190 what? I wonder if somebody covered... That song, 00:49:19.329 --> 00:49:21.050 and then we can put it as an intro to this show. 00:49:21.230 --> 00:49:23.130 Oh, you've got to listen to it. Atlantis by Jonathan. 00:49:23.130 --> 00:49:24.809 Can you send it to me? Yeah, I can just go onto 00:49:24.809 --> 00:49:26.469 YouTube and send you the link. I'm going to make 00:49:26.469 --> 00:49:29.889 the cover. I'm going to make it the otter. Eating 00:49:29.889 --> 00:49:32.730 a fish. Listen to a Jonathan tune. Atlantis. 00:49:33.510 --> 00:49:35.250 He's got it in his hand. He's going to have like 00:49:35.250 --> 00:49:41.460 a Mai Tai in one hand. Okay, y 'all. Hey, thanks 00:49:41.460 --> 00:49:44.559 for joining us for a laugh on Soul Decodes and 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:46.780 have a great week. We'll see you next week. 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