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life. Hello, everybody, and welcome. This is
Dr. Tia Jolie. Phillips, you're listening to
Soul Decodes. And guess what? It's episode number,
there's a number here, 47. 47 already. I'm
with Sarah Tirri She's my co -hostess. She's
an author and a thinker, philanthropist. Hello,
everyone. And we have a guest in the house. Yes,
we do. So we have my niece, Jenya. This is Sally's
daughter. Sally, I've spoken about on air, and
she passed away seven months ago. So she's...
Over here, and my son got married, so she was
here for the wedding, and then we're going for
a vacation to Mexico. So we're going to probably
talk about the wedding. Yeah. Uh -oh, there's
probably some stories there. Well, before we
jump into it, I want to let everyone know you
can find our stuff at souldecodes .com. I want
to welcome in the house today Bangladesh. Oh.
Bangladesh. I got stuck in a monsoon there once
in a bus. Well, there's a story. No, it wasn't
really. We pulled over and we had to just stay
seated in this bus on the side of the road where
the water was just, oh, it was nuts. But it was
dramatic and exciting. Almost every place I mention,
you've got a story. It's crazy talk. I was a
flight attendant for British Airways. So I traveled
the world when I was 20 to 25. And there's that.
So that's awesome news. And then we also have
North. york where in america or england toronto
so welcome to north york in toronto yeah so that's
exciting and then finally believe it or not we
had all the areas around miami but we finally
got miami oh nice like the dead center right
downtown miami so love it my daughter was born
in miami is another story You have a child born
every place I mentioned. Every place, darling.
They birthed every port. You're just bopping
them out all over the place. Anyway, so there's
that. And so we're getting going. Hopefully the
mic levels are better today than last week. But
get us going. What do you want to talk about
today? Well, so last night, so I've just been
renovating my house and I bought this new couch
in green. And it's in the living room with the
TV room. There's a big TV on the wall. I hadn't
watched a movie since it was there, so Jenya
and I decided to have a movie night. So we got
blankets, we got our drinks and we sat down and
then we bought this movie. Now, I'm not going
to say what the title is, but I'm going to describe
it. It's one word and it's a lady that stands
on her toes and dances wearing a tutu. OK, that's
the name of the movie. And I don't know what
the body count of death was. What do you think,
Jenya, at the end? Just the... So all it was...
was a load of fucking people shooting each other,
killing each other, graphically, violently, from
start to finish. There was no psychological depth
to any of it. And we were just sitting there.
The only reason we finished it is because we're
both very curious, but it wasn't gripping us.
You're watching and saying, is there anything
of redemption? Is there any redemption here?
Is there anything redeeming? Yes. And then I
just started to think this morning about... You
wouldn't want to have an eight -year -old watch
that because it's a massive desensitisation.
You've just made killing just a banality. You've
normalised it. Just normalised it. And that's
absolutely awful, I thought. How have we? Because,
I mean, there were rough shows when I was growing
up, but nothing as graphic and as mindless as
just brutal killing. And I think it sucks. I
think it sucks that movies are produced like
that. For what fucking reason? Thank you for
not mentioning the name of it because I would
never want to promote that in any aspect of it.
No, I wouldn't either. It's just like such garbage.
Nothing is not going to stimulate them. But it's
the desensitization. You've just got to be careful
because you become numb to things. You don't
want to numb society. No, yeah, I mean, one thing
I... Let me ask you a question. Do you know of
any books that you've read in the past, besides
your own, other books, where there was a movie
that came out and the movie was better than the
book? No, but I think that I can't remember.
I think maybe one time, but generally no. Just
like 99 % no. What about you, Jean? Can you remember
a book or a movie that... No, I can't. So...
I got to thinking about this, you know, because
I've read some really, really good books. Like
here's one of my best examples is a book called
Atlas Shrugged. Have you ever heard of Atlas
Shrugged? No. Okay. Girlfriend. What's the premise
of it? There's multiple messages, but the idea
is that there are... Is this non -fictional fiction?
Well, I think it's pretty real. It depends on
who you ask. It's written as fiction. Okay. But
it's kind of set in the, I guess, the 40s and
50s, right when America was getting mobilized.
It might have been a little earlier, but it might
have been earlier than that because the trains
were getting in and the oil companies were getting.
So it was probably earlier than that. But the
thing is, it's been a long time since I read
it, obviously. But it was actually one of the
first gifts that Robin gave me. It was probably
30 years ago. She gifted me this book. It's about
this big. I still read it, even though there
was no pictures. Yeah, I know. And it was a chapter
book, but it was a really long read, but I finished
it. Well, it must have been gripping. It was
a good book. But when the actual movies came
out, there was like a three -part movie, like
a trilogy. I was pretty disappointed. I mean,
it was good. But it was nowhere close to what
the book was. Or what your imagination did with
what the book conveyed to you. And that's what
I was going to say. So probably your imagination
was way superior than the people making it. And
that's what I was going to say. When you're reading
a book, you have a relationship with the author.
The author is telling a story. But you have your
eyes closed and you're literally creating the
images in your own brain. Like when I read your
books. The images I created in my brain are going
to be different than anybody else's. Well, you
listen to the star side prophecy, but when you're
reading a book... Well, no, I read the other
books too. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, but when you're
reading a book, you're still reliant, because
I like to listen as well. I do both. So I can
be there with my eyes closed, but I'll listen
to nonfiction. But when I'm reading fiction,
like you say, you have a relationship with the
author. The author, if they're good, and your
mum was really good at this, Jenny. Her mum was
a poet. She could convey a scene. Then it's the
interpretation of the person watching. So with
you, you've just got all this imagery in your
head about what he's writing about. And I think
from reading you can get that, but the imagery
on a movie, it's already there for you, isn't
it? It's not like you have to do anything. You're
just looking at that. Well, and that's the point
is when you're watching a movie, it's somebody
else's creation. It's their interpretation. And
you're watching a derivative instead of the raw,
what you're creating in your own mind. So it's
probably disappointing to watch a movie from
the book you've read then. Just watch a movie
where you haven't read the book. And truthfully,
that's why we don't watch many movies. We're
constantly disappointed. Disappointed. It's like
we're always disappointed. I would rather...
What was one of your favorite movies? Do you
have any just throughout your life? I mean, there
would be different favorites. I used to have
favorites when I was younger, but now that I
know that most of our history is biased. Mangled.
It's mangled. It's biased. It's flat out false.
So I watched that video you sent me this morning.
I didn't watch all of it. And that was the St.
Charles Cathedral in Vienna. And it was very
funny. I loved his sarcasm that night. And as
he walked you through it, it was absolutely wonderful.
And it really is mind boggling. that you have
that massive cathedral. And he called it, we
didn't have toilet paper back then. We were wiping
our arses with our hands. We had donkeys. We
didn't have power tools. And then suddenly this
church gets erected by a 22 -year -old yokel
boy. And it's like, it's madness. Because it's
like, it really is. But his point is well taken.
And then the plague happened. So it wiped loads
of people out. I mean, it was, it is. When you
do the historical forensics, there's almost nothing
makes sense most of us just take things that
well i learned this in fifth grade it must be
the truth yeah and we never question it after
that but that's bizarre in itself isn't it well
i mean we just accept it i mean i can accept
i could have accepted it because i wasn't around
in the 17th century i'm not seeing it's not in
my life i could just accept the narrative that
they had they built that But I don't now, particularly,
because when I look at it now, that's not even
credible. It doesn't make sense that you could
do that in such a short time with limited manpower.
Well, I would encourage you. I think he's got...
Like 97 of them. He's got a whole series of these.
Yeah, so for those... He's very funny. For those
questioning what this is about, you can find
it on Rumble, I think, but there's other... It's
probably in other places, but it's called...
My Lunch Break. That's right. My Lunch Break.
Yeah, it's a good title. And I don't know the
individual that did it, but I've been watching
his stuff really since his first. I think I watched
his first one. I've not watched all 97, but he's
got some really good stuff. And the idea is that,
look. And you get good visuals. He's showing
you really good pictures of these churches. So
you get a visual feast as you're listening to
this. It's both inductive and deductive reasoning.
It's like, this is what you're being told. This
is what the world. How credible is it? How in
the world are we driving horses and buggies,
wiping our butts with our hands? Dealing with
plague. Dealing with the plague. Our life expectancy
was only, what, 30 at most. In all of Vienna,
you only had maybe 30 ,000 working -age, able
-bodied people. And then the skill set. And your
building. Who's the architect? Who came up with
it? And you're going to have this competition.
That's right. We're going to have a competition.
Not just one palace, but there's four palaces.
And we're going to have a competition because
it'll take our mind off the plague. So anyway,
that's good stuff. So you had the wedding and
then it was the 4th of July weekend. Yes, I was
peaceful. We didn't see any fireworks and I slept.
You heard them. So she's in the cabana and it
was just gunpowder going off all night long.
So you get all that. I worry about the animals.
We had a conversation about that. So this is
interesting you bring that up because I used
to, as a child, I used to love fireworks. I don't
like hearing them. I like looking at them. They're
loud. But even looking at them, when you know
what the fireworks are... Okay, we're in Lake
County, Florida. Lakes. Our lakes are the most
beautiful thing we have going for us, right?
It's Lake County. So here we are. We're going
to take these explosives. And in order to make
those colors, there are specific metals they
use. And those metals are not friendly to fish.
They're not friendly to humans. They're not friendly.
So we're going to take these and we're going
to blow them up over our lakes and let all the
metal settle in the water. Yeah. That's like
so not okay with me. Yeah, I think I agree with
you. I've never really thought about that. I've
loved them visually, but you're absolutely right.
Yeah, just do some deep dives on those. Because
we talked about it the following morning. It's
like, what are the animals doing just with that
noise? It's absolutely awful. But let alone all
the components and shit that's going into the
lake. So I have a friend of mine that... has
not yet been paid by the city of Groveland for
work he did a couple months ago. This guy's just
paying, he's trying to pay his bills month to
month to month. He's just a normal guy trying
to pay his bills, and they're behind paying him.
What do they owe him? A couple grand maybe, whatever.
The point is, you're blowing off tens of thousands
of dollars of fireworks. Yeah, at Lake David.
At Lake David. Yeah. And this guy's still not
paid yet. Yeah, that's such bullshit. That's
a little bit of a problem. Yeah. But this is
not just for here. This is all over the place.
So what's happening now is we're entering this
age of Aquarius. She's an Aquarian. Yeah. Little
Jenny is an Aquarian. So now we have this, we're
going from this. Age of Pisces. Pisces, structural
thing. Now we're going, this is the creators.
This is our time for creators. That was ego.
This is now. Yeah. So now we're in this place
where there's this reality check. It's like,
okay, y 'all, that was fine for then, but this
is a new world. Can we switch it up a bit? And
we're switching it up. And now it's a time for
us to start taking better care of each other,
of the earth. Let's bring forth the arts. Let's
bring forth the music, the poetry. The dancing.
Let's bring forward the beautiful stuff. So it's
a renaissance again, isn't it? Yeah, in a great
way. Better than ever. But we don't need to be
blowing each other up, dropping bombs on each
other. We don't need to be in this scarcity mentality.
Well, gosh, if I help Sarah become a multimillionaire,
what's going to be there for me? No, it's not
a zero -sum game. We've been taught that if Sarah
wins, Tia Jolie loses. If Tia Jolie wins... Not
in my world. No. Our world is one of helping
each other, both of us succeeding. we're in a
place now where we're like, no, we're smart,
we're creative. If we work together, we can do
a lot more than just one of us by ourselves.
And I think that that's where we're going. Yes,
it's a lost sensibility. And the other thing
is, this is a... We were told to compete and
get ahead and strive. Well, and that's a very
ego, male, that's a male mindset. And when I
say male, I'm not talking about watching your
underwear. I'm just saying it's a... The energy
associated with, it's the male dominance, the
logical structural. Which is necessary. Which
is necessary. But you've taken the piss out of
things. But we've got to find the balance. Because
right now, I was reading some excerpts. I have
to do a deep dive on this. The Gospel of Mary.
The Gospel of Mary. Oh my goodness. Mary Magdalene
or the mother? Is it the girlfriend? Mary Magdalene,
Jesus' girlfriend. I mean, you can name, it was
Jesus' Concubine. See, and that's the BS that
the modern world wants you to know. Well, that's
the modern world. She was the harlot, wasn't
she? And she's, yeah, she was always just painted
in such a poor light. She couldn't have been
the favor of all the disciples. She could not
have been the favor because she was a woman.
But the truth is when you go into, when you do
the forensics and they're starting to piece together
the gospel of Mary, you're finding that. She
was the favorite of the disciples, and she was
to receive his blessing to carry on after he's
gone. Wow. Now, that would be a problem. In a
patriarchal society. Not only patriarchal, but
when you do the deep dive on the gospel of Mary,
you're going to come unglued. I can't wait now.
In a not a very good way. Oh, I can't wait to
do this. So if you've got a link to send me,
send it to me. Well, I'll have to dig back on
it. That's fine. It's been about a week. Yeah,
I would like to have a look at that. But we have
to ask better questions. That's the whole point.
So in my novel, The Star Side Prophecy, I'm Mary
Magdalene. That's freaking cool. So you'll have
to read it to find out. I don't remember putting
that together. It was very subtle. Okay. It was
very subtle. Because I read the book and I just
didn't. And I was describing his death on the
cross and I was doing it from me. And I remember
I was talking about my life at Magdalene when
he was on the cross and then his mother and his
sister were there. So it was a very small part,
but it's intense. And it doesn't actually come
out for a while. I can't believe I missed that.
I mean, that's like a really important part because
to me. This whole discussion of the, you know,
I'm not going to say I'm religious or spiritual,
but, you know, there are a lot of archetypes.
Oh, you're spiritual, darling, for God's sake.
I'm soulful. Yeah, I think we're talking about
the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, similar
words. But, you know, there's a lot of these
archetypal personifications that come out. And
they come out in all across the world in different
shapes and sizes. I'm not so much concerned or...
I really don't care about what some isolated
tribe thinks or feels about something. You know,
whether it's the Canadians or Australians. It's
the Kahwe tribe. It doesn't really matter. What
we should be looking to do is, what do we see
that's in common? What is the tribe in the Alaskan,
you know, the Inuits, what did they see and perceive
from their soulful self? soul decodes right what
are they what are they decoding with their souls
versus maybe the the people in polynesia right
right very different cultures what do they have
in common what are they yeah what are their best
points right what are their progressive ideas
so if you pull them out yeah because i think
that in order for like you could my position
is that we're all fractals each one of us is
a soul fractal of the infinite so If you look
at fractals, when you take an individual fractal,
you can actually look at it and it's got the
complete image of the whole within it. That's
what a fractal is. But it's diluted. But when
you bring them all together, just like a piece
of a puzzle, you bring them together, the confluence
of those fractals represents the whole. And that's
God. Which is the one. The one. The source. The
one. The source. Right? So you're going to, I
think you're going to really like, you're going
to really like the deep dive you do on Mary.
Oh, I am. The gospel of Mary. Yeah. But there's
other gospels. There's the gospel of Thomas.
You know, there's, there's all. I've mentioned
before that... Has someone put a new Bible together
with all these Gospels and created 66 books?
You could keep some of those. You could keep
the Gospel. You could keep the writings of St
Paul. But it seems to me there's enough information
too. Well, what if the Bible had taken on this
and then new books were put into it? Well, I
think it's brilliant, hasn't it? I think we need
to probably do that. We should do it. Smart books.
Let's do smart books. But the other part of it
is, you know, the closest... Complete Bible before
the, you know, the Council of Nicaea in the 4th
century. They had the Emperor Constantine, who
was an absolute bastard, right? He just needed
to unify people to control them. Well, he needed
to take the power away from the people to centralize
it. And give them a common religion. And if you
disagree with this common religion that the Pope,
not the Pope, that the Emperor put in place.
We got a burning stake for you. Yes. Right? Yeah,
do or die. Convert or die. Convert or die. So
everything went underground. The best thing we
can find right now that represents the complete
unaltered, unadulterated so -called Bible would
be the Ethiopian, the Ethiopian Bible. Right.
I haven't looked at that, so I'm going to go
on YouTube. Yeah, and I'm not going to pretend
to know everything that's in there, but based
on... Isn't Ethiopia the oldest civilization
on the planet? It's before the Egyptians, the
Phoenicians, the Ubudians. Ethiopia is the oldest
culture I've heard. I don't know. It's interesting
that they had a Bible. I'd like to know the differences
in that. I think what we're going to find out
in the next couple of years is the importance
of Africa. uh in in our in our culture well they
dug up this skeleton and she was a little thing
and they called her lucy and apparently she was
three million years old and um she looked just
like a human but we're told biblically that what
we was four thousand years before christ suddenly
adam and eva in the garden of eden for six thousand
years ago it's like it's just a joke to me yeah
i think i'm excited that you're actually at a
place where you're You're joining me to question
the narratives? Oh, yeah. Well, I already did,
and this is the best God could do. I already
did that 20 years ago. This is a fucking joke,
and this is why. You know, I got to thinking
about that because I was watching this video.
It came across my social media, and it showed
clips of the 1970s, what it was like to be a
child in the 70s. That's me. And we were such
free -range kids. We were. There was, we didn't
wear helmets. You know, the only thing mom and
dad said was, my mom was like, when the street.
Be home at 6 p .m. When the streetlight goes
on, you're home. Oh, that's good. And there's
dinner. Yeah. My mom had no clue where I was.
None at all. I could have been 40 feet away or
11 miles away. My mom. And nothing ever happened
to us. Just nothing happened to us. There's not
one thing I remember. I fell off my bike and
needed some stitches under my chin. Other than
that, it was all, we just had so much. Tony,
my husband, refers to me as being quite feral.
And he's right in a way. Nothing's changed. Nothing's
changed. Because I had no structure. My mum was
hardworking. She'd want us out of the house.
She'd want a bit of peace and quiet. She had
loads of jobs. She'd always cook meals and we
were always taken care of. But other than that,
we raised ourselves from a very young age. I
could walk to the corner store that was about
a quarter of a mile away at age five. Just got
there by myself. So let's talk about being feral.
What does that even mean? Because I was very
much feral. For me, I didn't have any restrictions
or boundaries, any guidance. I was just left
alone to raise myself. I mean, I had school and
I had parents and grandparents, so I was with
a family structure, but nothing was required
of me. I wasn't required to do anything, be anywhere,
have any chores, absolutely nothing. And it was
my mum's way, I think, of compensating for this
horrible predicament that her choices had put
us in. So it's like, just go and be free. And
there was nothing demanded of me. It's so fascinating
to hear you because I was in a very structured
environment. Only within the context of the church,
there was the church life, the school life, the
family life had to be structured because we had
a bunch of kids, right? And just a very small
space because we weren't really rich or anything.
We had to share rooms. Nobody had their own room.
Everyone shared room. You literally had the same
10 square feet. It was just, this is your space.
These are your two drawers in the dresser. This
is your two feet in the hanging space in the
closet. That's it. So we really had to kind of...
Did you keep it all tidy? Were you respectful
of keeping this tiny room tidy? I emotionally
blocked most of it, so I can't remember. Probably
not then. But I do remember loving to go outside.
I hated to be indoors. Both of my parents were
smokers. So I spent as much time outside as we
could. Well, I was always in trees climbing.
We were outside. We were outside like all the
time. We were fixing bicycles. We'd break them,
we'd fix them. We'd break them, we'd fix them.
And did you explore? Because I was a bit of an
explorer. I'd take my bike around and I'd like
looking at the creative side. Always, always.
But you know what's fascinating? This is very
different than today's world because in today's
world, like what we used to do, if there was
a moving truck, let's just say that three streets
over, there was a moving truck. And they were
downloading furniture into the house. First thing
we would do is we would ride our bikes over there
and see if there are any new kids. Oh, I thought
you were going to offer to help. Oh, no, man.
We'd want to see if there's new kids, man. Do
you play baseball? Do you play softball? What
do you do? Like we would literally be that curious.
I remember when a girl, Samantha, my daughter's
called Samantha. I wonder whether that's got
anything to do with it. But she moved in next
door and she was just a year younger than me.
And that was great. I had this new friend. So,
yeah. So we'd always just be very curious. And
if there was something, if there was... And was
it like a gang of you? Because if we were out,
it was probably like four, about four or five
of us would just be riding our bikes. Well, I
mean, I think it changes over the years. My best
friend, his name was PJ. Oh, yeah, you've talked
about him. Yeah, he was my friend when we were
young, but then he started drinking a lot and
doing drugs and stuff. So I kind of created a
little bit of distance from that. I still loved
him as a friend, but he just started hanging
around new people. Therefore, so did I. So I
think we change over the years. And, you know,
this is one thing people don't get is friendships,
central to friendships. Yes, there's mutual respect.
There's those things. But friendships are based
on common interests. And it's very difficult
to have a group of friends if you don't have
shared ideas about things or if you have the
interest in learning things. For instance, I
love my brothers. My one brother, I might talk
to him once a year. I love him dearly, but we
have nothing in common. If there was one thing
in common, we would talk about it. You could
anchor yourself around that. When the Detroit
Lions football season starts, we'll probably
have one thing in common. We'll talk about Lions
football. And was that throughout your life?
No, I mean, we were musicians, we were athletes.
So you did share interests when you were younger?
Oh, for sure. I mean, the whole family, wherever,
most of it was around the church because there
was the church, the worship. And how's he with
the church now? Is he a believer or an atheist?
Don't know. No. Because you only speak to him
once a year. I don't know. I'm well, my phone
always rings in. But, you know, people have their
worlds. Friendships are built on common interests.
When we moved to Central Florida, Sarah, We knew
zero people. We know hundreds of people now.
I can literally pick up the phone right now and
probably call 15 people. Hey, I need to move
some things. Can you come and help me? Most of
those would come and help, right? And you do
the same. And I would do the same. Why? Because
we mutual respect, mutual admiration, kindness.
We're looking for those elements, those. those
character traits that we want to see in others.
So as we mature, we kind of say, yeah, that's
the type of person I'll let in my inner circle.
Maybe not the innermost circle, like you're not
going to come in my bedroom, but certainly maybe
we'll have you over for a dinner or lunch or
something, right? So you just, as you get more
familiar, familiar family, right? Familiar. You
let them closer and closer in your circles. There
have been people. Where we say, yeah, you get
bumped out to the next line. You get bumped out
to the next circle because you're misbehaving.
I've done that. Most of all, it's when you're...
It's an energetic disalignment for me. Yeah.
And it's also when your actions and words don't
match. Yeah. When your actions and words don't
match. Yeah. Then that's just a veneer that you're...
It's like, wait a minute, yeah, you need to bump
out a circle till I figure this out. You just
create that little distance. How to manage friendships
one -on -one. It's not true. I don't think it's
necessarily, you don't have to agree. I mean,
you and I agree on most things, I think. There's
some things we don't agree on. It's not like
you have to agree with that person. They don't
have to be like you, sound like you, look like
you. But you do have to have, you can share.
Or just share interests. I mean, my brother,
Zhenya, says that I'm nothing like my brother.
We're just not nothing alike. But we have to
build a friendship, and we do, and we've known
each other 50 years. We do have commonalities,
because we've been through a lot together as
kids. But I don't think you have to agree with
someone. But to me, I've had a hard time making
friends in Florida, because I'm not a Christian.
In fact, I dismantle Christianity. So that was
quite difficult for me to make friends because
when someone got wind of that, I'm interpreted
as being the Antichrist or heretical or I don't
believe in Jesus died for my sins. I don't believe
in any of that nonsense. So that was a blocker
in forming friends in the Bible Belt, which is
where we are. I do have two Christian friends
and they know that I have nothing to do with
their belief system. So that's nice. That was
an issue moving here because I was considered
very radical in my beliefs and people didn't
want to hear them. And I ended up not sharing
them. It was just, this is what I believe. I
don't care whether you believe what I believe.
I'm just going to live in my quantum field and
try and manage it. I think it's lovely. And I
think you're going to, again, love the Gospel
of Mary. One of the things that, I don't want
to do a spoiler alert, but I want you to know
that one of the messages that was forbidden to
get out. was that there's no such thing as sin
yeah that was the biggest controlling mechanism
there's ever been make a whole you populace of
people feel shitty about themselves right out
the gate yeah so when you read so that was a
major message so any of the gospels that said
because jesus shared with mary there is no sin
there's sin does not exist no it's a control
mechanism yeah and that's why you've got pissed
off at the Sadducees and Pharisees because they
had this legal structure, this, if you do this,
this happens. All of these codes and these guidelines
and these, you know, these laws and rules and
regulations. And Jesus is like, I don't know
what you're talking about. That's not. I mean,
the concept of sin and that someone else is going
to pay the price for it and has done and they
were the scapegoat. So Zhenya and I were talking
on the way over here and she was telling me about
some of the stories because she was bullied when
she was at school. And one of them was that,
I think it was one where she was tied to, I can't
remember which one it was, but she had a few
anyway. So she was bullied in this classroom
and she was sent to another classroom and the
teacher stood up. in the class that she left
behind. And they said, where's Jenya? Where's
Jenya? And the teacher said, well, you've bullied
her so she's been sent to another classroom.
And I just thought how fucked up that was. But
it's not unalike. She's now the scapegoat for
some bullshit that she didn't create. It's so
interesting because when I was in West Palm Beach,
I was a brand new bass player and I played bass
for a band. They were a good band. But the members
of the band oftentimes didn't behave themselves
as band members sometimes don't do. What, sex,
drugs, rock and roll type of misbehavior? That
type of thing. But this was a little worse. Like,
I'm going to beat my wife and kid. So it was
just a really ugly place to be. And as a brand
new bass player, I just wanted to play music.
But when I saw things going a little bit south,
I basically... Started distancing myself, suggesting
that maybe they need to replace the bass player,
which would be me. And they wanted to add more
rehearsals during the week because we were already
doing one two -hour rehearsal. But during that
two -hour rehearsal, 30 minutes of it was out
smoking weed. So I'm like, well, my statement
was, I don't mind adding another rehearsal, but
let's make this first one. more effective. Let's
get the full two hours out of this. After they
smoked this weed, were they more creative and
played better when they came back in? If you
ask them. Yeah, of course. If you ask them, yes.
But the point is what happened was I said, look,
I'm not going to, I'm not going to commit. Add
more time. I'm not going to commit another night
of my life because back then I was still flying
airplanes. For their weed break. So one evening
was a big deal for me because I was a career
airline pilot. So as a career airline pilot,
your days off are precious. So I just basically
said, I made the statement in rehearsal, listen,
I'm not going to do another day of rehearsal
until we get this day productive. We can be more
productive here. How was that received? Well,
the wife beater, lead singer, went up to me and
basically said, you're coming Thursday or you're
out of the band. What did you do? I didn't say
a word. I took my bass guitar off my shoulder,
put it in my case, snapped my case shut, walked
out. Not even a word. Nice and dramatic though.
Not even a word. Wordless but dramatic. Not even
a word. Yeah. I was not even to my car and the
drummer and the guitar player are like, no, no,
don't go, don't. Because these were... These
were baselines. And did they persuade you or
did you just say, no, I'm done? No. That was
it for you? I'm like, done. I can't do this.
Nobody threatens me. Yeah. Zero people. Good
for you. Those people are not the ones that were
supposed to come out. Yeah. And I told them both,
I said, and I wrote a poem, a very lengthy poem
after that because I was so angry. Maybe I'll
make a song out of it someday. I'd love to read
it. But it was called... Basically, the concept,
and it's been years, it's been 20 years probably,
but the concept of the song is, the song was
called You're the Bully Too. In other words,
if you permit somebody to be a bully, you are
the bully. So the aiding and abetting gives you
the same status. If you don't intervene, because
both of those people that came out after me,
should have been the ones that said to the lead
singer, don't talk to her like that. You need
to stand down. Absolutely. You're the one that's
wrong. Yeah. You're the one that's winning, so
you need to be quiet and apologize and let's
get this band back together because the bass
player just walked out and you're not going to
go very far without the bass player, right? Who
made 25... So you were quite irritated at them
then because they just didn't do anything, they
were just passive. I was almost ready to go anyway.
So that was just the tripwire that said, yeah,
I'm done. Because you can only take so much.
If there's one error I make, I hang in there
too long. I hang in friendships and stuff way
longer than I should. So you've seen the red
flags and you've seen it all come. I was just
looking for the reason to go. But the point is,
the song was to the bystanders, the observers.
Those people in the classroom should have stood
up, but they've been trained to stand down. You
know, so the victim gets isolated. Isolated,
exiled. Exiled. Yeah. And then the bullies learn...
And then the teacher just said, she's not in
this class because you bullied her, but then
there was no punishment for the bullies. I mean,
what psychological nonsense is the teacher even...
Absolutely awful. Right. Luckily for Zhenya,
though, she preferred it in the class she went
to, so it kind of worked out okay. But that is
just crazy. So we need to be... And we are in
a place now where we need to be more empathetic.
We need to stand up. We need to come into our
power. So being a bully would be one way to,
like, you observe a bully, observing that bully
and standing up and saying, it doesn't have to
be, you don't have to be a jerk about it. You
can just go, stop, stop. That's not okay. Years
ago, before Zhenya came to us in 2006, it was
a couple of years before that, someone had put
a Molotov cocktail at the, it was an Indian restaurant
down the end of New Road in Shoreham. And so
they'd put this Molotov cocktail and Mark was
really upset because he, that's my brother, and
he knew these people. So he had a friend called
Mickey. Now Mickey was an acrobat and he was
really, he had big guns and he could kick the
shit out of you. You said an acrobat? Acrobat.
Like an acrobat? Yeah, he tumbled. He could backflip
across the room. I mean, this guy was a ninja.
So my brother, so Mickey and Mark went to this,
they found out who it was and went round to their
house and stood up to them and said, do you ever
fucking do this again? And I think Mickey might
have given him a bit of a punch in the gut. But
Mark and Mickey stood up and made sure that this
Pakistani, or it was an Indian or Pakistani restaurant,
this didn't happen again. But they were willing
to get hurt in order to... to stand up and prevent
that, because they could have got the shit kicked
out of them. But he went round to the house,
like, this is not happening, because Shoreham
was a lovely, beautiful community, and this was
terrible that this happened. So he stood up for
it, but most people wouldn't have done that.
They had a Molotov cocktail stuck in their letterbox,
and no one would do anything. They would just
carry on with their lives. So on one end, we've
got the people that are permitting the bullying,
but nobody walked out. with the person that was
injured to be with her. Nobody did that. And
I think we need to be mindful as empathetic people
that we can demonstrate the correct behavior
by actually walking out. Here's an example. Last
week, I was in a chamber meeting. It was just
the morning coffee. And you know, there's probably
50 people there. And I go just because it's social.
You know, when you live on the farm, your closest
neighbor is a horse. You need to have some social,
right? So it took me about three months to join
the chamber because I don't really have a business
interest there, but I do have an interest in
meeting other people and just hanging out, just
being social. And so everyone goes around the
room and just says who they are and what they
do. And this one girl, she was her first time
there. Nobody, nobody ever saw her. She was like
two people over from me. She was speaking and
she started, something she said was very emotional.
She started crying while she was speaking, right?
Now, I don't know what the trigger was. I don't
know what the thing was, but it had to do with
her child. So she was speaking. Her reference
was to her child and the difficulties they're
facing with her child. And she started crying.
So now this is a business chamber, right? But
we're people first. So I was like three, I guess
I was maybe five people away. So I walked behind
four people in front of her, like, and I gave
her a hug. Yeah, nice. And I said, you're okay.
We got this. That's nice. We got this. So I just
hugged her and she thanked me. She whispered.
She said, thank you. Like, forget the Chamber
of Commerce. Forget that you're a plumber, painter,
attorney. I don't. realtor. I don't give a rat's
ass who you are. You've got a person here that's
hurt. She's injured. She's crying. Somebody needs
to get off their ass and go hug her. And it doesn't
always have to be me. So what I wanted to do
is demonstrate this is how you take care of people.
This is how you take care of people. And that's
a spontaneous thing for you. You'd want to do
that. You'd want to console someone. Every time.
But most people would just squirm because it's
an uncomfortable situation. We're at the Chamber
of Commerce and it's informal. So how did it
play out with her? Did she recover and able to
talk about her business? She was able to hold
it together for her 30 seconds. So I went right
after she finished. As she was finishing, I was
already walking over to her. That's good. But
the point is, you know, Be the person you wish
society would embody. You have to be that person.
In both scenarios in that classroom, there was
the room of bullies plus the teacher. The room
of bullies, that's what I said. Because until
they opt out of that system and go help the person
that was injured, they remain the bully. They
either need to intervene and say, no, that's
not okay. We want Zhenya back. We want Zhenya
back. That's the correct action. The second correct
action was, well, if that's not going to happen,
I'm going in that room with her. Right. So she's
not sitting there alone. Yeah. That's the second
correct action. It's so interesting. I think
with young children, I think you're all about
10. Jen, was this around 10 years old? Yeah.
So they're little 10 -year -olds sitting there.
But it would be nice for them to have... This
would just be, what would you do if this was
happening? So it doesn't have to happen, but
you just put this to the children. Okay, like
we just present this. And then talk them through
what it means to be a civilized, loving human
being. But no one's done that, obviously. Well,
I think it starts with, you know, I mentioned
this before, the words en la cash a la quien.
Do you remember me mentioning those words? Yes,
I do. I don't remember what it means. En la cash
a la quien. It's an Aztec greeting that says.
When I see you, I see the light within you. And
I recognize you as another one of myself. So
that's like namaste. It's a derivative of namaste.
But the idea is when I see your light, I greet
the light. And when somebody is being ushered
out of the room for being the victim of bullying,
that's a piece of light that's leaving you. And
you need to go connect that light and keep that
light spun up and burning. So I think as we learn
to treat each other... Do you want to tell me,
should I give a shout out to the teacher that
fucked up? I'm just kidding. That's not a shout
out, that's a shout down. She's cringing, she's
laughing but cringing. But I will say that that
was an important foundational experience. Well,
that's what we talked about. All of this has
actually made you who you are. What does that
mean today? Earlier today, Robin, she was on
the way to Tampa to support some of her people
in Tampa. We were just talking just prior to
the show. And she's listening to a podcast and
there's a SEAL Team 6 member who's talking about
PTSD and the use of Ibogaine. What's Ibogaine?
Ibogaine is a, I believe it to be a root. From
India. Oh, okay. A plant. It's a plant or a root
or a derivative from a root. I'm not really sure
what it is. Maybe it's Central or South America.
Do you put it in a tea? Do you brew it? I don't
know, but you isolate some of the compounds.
And when you have somebody that's suffering neurologically,
whether it's from abuse or PTSD or maybe it's
a substance abuse problem, it helps normalize
the brain. wow and it does it really quickly
but not in maximum doses so it's not like an
ayahuasca trip right you do micro doses so you're
going to hear more and more about ibogaine because
texas is really leaning forward so is this sold
in in a pill or is this something you'd buy as
as the root and then you need right now you need
a practitioner right so how's it being sold though
is it something you would smoke or ingest just
the opposite the dumb ass the dumb ass lawmakers
in the the so -called United States of America
Corporation, they don't want this legalized because
it challenges the drug system. So where can we
get some? I'd like to try this. So I told Robin.
I told Robin. You try it with me, darling. We'll
see what happens to our brain. Well, I told Robin.
So first of all, the guy talking was a special
operator, SEAL Team 6, in Texas. And he has huge
relief from using ibogaine, microdosis. Under
controlled care. It's not something, it's not
a vitamin you pop. It's controlled care microdosis.
And I told Rob and I said, I need to know the
person, the contact person. I'm going to get
a hold of them and do that in Florida. I want
to get that in Florida. Good. People from all
across Florida can come. I'll set up a circle
of people. What, will you grow it? Well, I don't
think you can grow it here. I'd import it. Yeah,
you can import it. Unless it grows here. If it
grows here, I'll grow it. But I don't think it
grows here. You know that fruit that I gave you,
the seeds, the pits that I gave you last week?
I already got them sprouting. I've got mine sprouting.
Did they sprout? Yeah, mine did. How long did
it take? Well, I put them, I left them in a big
thing of water outside and then the rain kept
taking the water out because we'd had so much
rain over the last three days. And then I put
them in, as they were cracking, in a towel, a
big beach towel, and I cut with it and it was...
covered the beach towel in water so it's dark
and wet lifted it off and they're all just just
crazy that's exciting because i i took them this
is the very same day i put them in water the
little shoot well i don't have any shoots oh
okay i made it happen quickly okay so um so anyway
this ibogaine is going to be a really big deal
because people with substance abuse issues yeah
it's the It normalizes their brain so the addiction
part of it gets normalized. I would love to try
it and see what effect it has. I love experimenting
with my consciousness. It's interesting because
the guy that was talking, the CLTM6 person, said,
this is fascinating because it affects me. This
is exactly what happened to me. When I was younger,
the things we did in the military, the operations,
was just part of the job. But it's not here until
20 and 30 years later. It becomes troubling.
40 years later that the nightmares come and it
becomes really problematic. So I told Robin,
I said, I want this for me too. Yeah, I want
to try it. Let's all try it and see. Because
I need to study a little bit more. I'd like to
study myself. I'd have to be at home in clinical
conditions. I'd have to be in my bedroom. And
I just want to see what, because I can turn my
attention inwards, what's going on with this.
Well, it would be more than... There would be
a clinician. So I've got a bunch of medical doctors
and practitioners. You'd actually go to a clinician.
Okay, so I'd like to do that. If I can get it
here in Florida, I might need to just pound down
the governor's door and talk about it. So they
have it in Texas then? They're pushing hard in
Texas, but they have legislators that are opening
the door to it. So if we can do it in Florida,
I really would love to do it in Florida. I love
that. It's right up your street. Well, there's
so many of us that have suffered. Yes. But it
doesn't even have to be that you have PTSD in
the way that you did. And I know that was terrible.
There's other things that you can get PTSD from
in life generally. True. So it could just be
a micro dose of something that's going to give
you some mental inner peace that you were lacking
before. Just like a little vitamin. St. John's
Wort or something. So I'm loving that. And that
to you, let's talk about being a serial entrepreneur,
darling. There's another business for you. Well,
so here's what I'm going to suggest. I'm wondering
if you could take that list, while we're talking
about this topic, let her pick a question that
she would like us to address. And she can point
to it and we'll talk about it. All right, I'll
read it out. You know, this whole thing, we're
at a place now where we, the people, are bringing
power back to us. We're no longer going to permit
stupid politicians to make stupid decisions.
And one of the things, like I want to grow hemp.
I want to grow industrial hemp. When you start
studying the value of hemp and hemp fibers, like
one of the things you and I talked about is having,
I would love to find a bunch of people who are
really skilled with putting together clothing.
And I want to get them whatever natural fibers
they want, whatever they need, put them in a
place that they're cool and comfortable and taken
care of, and tell them, create. Create things
with these beautiful fibers. It could be clothing
or linens or furnishings, whatever you want to
do. But I want natural fibers. Selfishly, I'd
like... I'd like someone to be able to tailor
for tall, we talked about this, for tall women.
Yes. I still want a duster. I want a duster that's
freaking beautiful and long. So hang on, what's
a duster? Is that a muumuu? What's a duster?
Oh no, a duster is, it's... A gown? Think of
it like a trench coat. Oh, okay. But it goes
all the way to the ground. Oh, I like that. So
all you, like it literally goes straight to the
ground. Yeah, very Keanu Reeves, like very...
Very much, very much like that, so. But I totally
want one, but I don't want it synthetic. I want
it the real deal. Oh, I can see that. Right down
to the ground. Right down. Hooded shoulders,
black. And you got your boots. You've got your
boots and you've got your dark glasses. You got
your boots from Alberta, Canada, our newest state.
God. So tell me about that. What do you mean
by that? Have you picked a question? Number 10.
Number 10. Okay. Alberta is really kind of exerting
their authority against the centralized. You
just rolled your eyes. Jesus Christ. You did
have a pick. Don't read it yet. Alberta, Canada.
We're going to go squirrel in a minute and then
we'll wrap up. The Canadian government out of
Ottawa. It's been so oppressive to its members,
to its provinces, that several of the western
provinces, Saskatchewan, British Columbia, and
Alberta, to name a few, are disgusted. They're
like, y 'all are doing everything your way, and
there's nothing in it for us. We can do better
for ourselves than you're doing for us. It's
a rebellion. And it's awesome. It's basically
the 1776. Americans saying, F you, we're on our
own. So there's this big thing now about whether
they're going to succeed from the current situation,
whether they end up staying as part of Canada
or just being identity. They can just form their
own country, just being completely different.
Or whether they become one of the United States,
whatever it is. What do you think Trump would
think about incorporating that part of Canada?
He would love it, wouldn't he? The person that
we are seeing that's playing the role of Trump,
that person, which I think is operating on behalf
of the American military, not the U .S. military,
but the American military, I think that that
person is stirring the water. Because he wants
it. He wants this rebellion. Well, this rebellion
represents what every country in the world...
So it's an example of what could happen. So whether
or not Alberta makes a change, the important
thing is that they're making the stink. Yeah.
They're... showing they're showing that and if
they make the change and they take it to the
limit that really is an example of that's that's
actually quite a radical thing to happen because
people won't put up with this shit anymore because
they'll see that it's successful to rebel now
you've got your own country or you've emerged
with a bigger one it's no different than being
married to the wrong person if the relationship's
not working for you and it's all one way and
not like you're doing everything and they're
contributing nothing to the relationship it's
time to leave yeah It's time to leave. And that's
kind of, and the signs and symptoms were there
for years and years and years and years. And
they just had too much. They've had enough of
it. And now Ottawa's come in and saying, oh,
I'm so sorry. Does the marriage work? Maybe it's
too little too late. Maybe they'll make redemption.
Don't know. Maybe they'll compromise. Don't know.
Maybe they'll change it. Let's watch this space.
But I just wanted. let the people of alberta
know that we love you and you deserve good things
whether it comes from stand up for yourself yeah
whether it comes from you doing your own thing
or canada recompensing or whether you want to
be part of the states we welcome you you can
come and visit florida and i'll make you lunch
there you go right so we love you okay so we
have a question All right. Tell us, Sarah, what
are these questions? Sarah, what are these questions?
So you're going to have to, it's just one question
and I'm going to field it to you. Oh, okay. So
the questions are from Rosie. These are Rosie's
questions and Rosie understands us more than
we understand ourselves because she has done
the summaries, which I've edited to all our conversations.
This is number 47. So Rosie is intimate with
our subject matters. put out this question. What
do the dead say about the living? I'll leave
that for you to start. What do the dead say about
the living? What do the dead say about the living?
Well, I'm trying... You don't know. You have
no fucking clue what they say. I'm trying to
put... So there's... The dead... If we're just
talking about a dead, decaying human carcass.
No, we're talking about the dead. I would say
we're talking about the dead on the other side,
assuming there is the other. That's how I would
like. If there's a heaven, what are they saying
about us? I think they're saying, I love you.
Good job. Keep it up. You're a warrior. Hang
in there. It's not as bad as you think. Don't
take it too seriously. I think that's what they'd
be saying about Olivia. I have a very similar
take. So when you talk about the dead, you're
talking about all of my parents, their parents,
their parents, their parents, their parents,
forever, forever, forever. I am actually, when
you think about it, all of those people that
came together and had families and children,
for generations of love and generations of caring
and everything, I represent the confluence of
the infinite number of parents that I've had.
I'm representing the confluence of love and care
and compassion for freaking hundreds of generations.
So the dead are embodied within you. So I carry
with them the dream. I am their dream. And I
am their progeny. And I'm carrying forward the
light and the love that they put into me. Very
nice. So that's my take on that. Part of that.
If there is a reincarnation aspect, part of that
group that may or may not be part of my own bloodline
would be my past self or selves, whatever I've
experienced before, being a cheerleader for my
current self. Yes. So all of those cheerleading...
Now, the cheerleading that I perceive, it's no
different than... You and me going to the amusement
park, and there's this freaking state -of -the
-art, high -velocity roller coaster, and she
gets on it. You're not going to drag her? And
she's having, she's having, she's screaming,
she's scared, she's loving it, she's doing all
of these emotions. Yeah. She's scared to get
onto it, and when she's done, she wants to do
it again. Right? That's what I see this life
as. And that's what the dead people will be telling
us. They'll be saying, just have fun with it.
Have fun. Don't take it too seriously. It's a
freaking roller coaster. You're going to have
ups. You're going to have downs. Have fun with
it. Yeah. Good. Live life. Don't worry about
the next dip in the roller coaster. Because there
ain't nothing. They advise us to be present and
enjoy it. Enjoy the ride. Enjoy the ride. Cheerleaders.
They're just cheerleaders. Dead people are cheerleaders.
I don't know. What are your thoughts? Okay. No
thoughts. Nothing to add. Okay. She's being shy.
So what else? Anything else on that? No. I'm
just, God bless the cheerleaders cheering me
on. But think of it this way. When we change
and we make our transition this time, we're going
to still be cheerleading for the future selves.
Yes. Yeah. So this is just a, this is like waves
hitting a shore. What defines one wave? Is it
the same wave? It's the entire ocean, isn't it?
It's the entire ocean. It's just constant. It's
just a wave after wave after wave. And what we
represent is just another iteration of all of
the past. And we represent the future waves to
come. I think one of the phrases that I always
liked, it was listening to Rick Archer, Buddha
at the Gas Pump. For anyone listening, if you
want a good grounding in Eastern philosophy,
Buddha at the Gas Pump is a great podcast. And
he says that we're God's sense receptors. Everything
is. I'll buy that. Everything. I'll buy that.
Mind you, that's what we are. I like that. That's
really cool. I like that. Well, let's go ahead
and wrap up. That was lovely. You know what?
We didn't even talk too much about the wedding.
Any highlights, lowlights? We can talk about
the wedding, the next one. Okay. Yes. We can
talk about it then. And I can talk about the
follow -up trip to Mexico because it's like a
double whammy. So we'll talk about that. It sounds
good. All right. Well, Xenia, I hope you have
a good stay here in Florida. And Sarah, thanks
again for joining us. It's been lovely. Y 'all
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