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Enjoy the show. Welcome to Soul Decodes. Join

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life. Hello everybody and welcome. This is Dr.

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Tia Jolie Phillips and you're at The Treehouse

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with Sarah Tirri. Good morning everyone. How

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did you sleep last night? Terrible. What? Absolutely.

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It was absolutely awful. And the irony is that

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we're going to be talking about sleep. What a

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terrific way to open up our show. By the way,

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that wasn't scripted. I was just asking you.

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I'm glad you asked. Well, we were actually, we're

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very interested in talking about sleep, but sometime...

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either now or in the future, but you had indicated

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you want to talk about sleep. Sure. And I agreed.

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And we've had previous conversations about sleep,

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and I just thought that we should probably talk

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about it on the air. Let's do it. Okay, there's

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different parts to sleep. I know I can talk a

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little about the health and wellness part of

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it, but there's also this multidimensional, this

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esoteric part of sleep. Do you want to open us

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up with that? What does sleep mean to you? Well,

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I think sleep is very, very weird. Because if

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we're on evolution, I mean, I'm not sure that

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it's linear anymore in the way that I used to.

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I think civilizations come and go. But if adaptation

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is the way that Charles Darwin taught, that sleep

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is horrible because you could be attacked. You're

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completely out of it. You're vulnerable. I mean,

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it's the worst thing in terms of wanting to survive.

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You're scaring me. I used to love my sleep. Now

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I'm going to have a hard time. But we are very

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vulnerable and we could be attacked. I mean,

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and it's different now, you know, times are better.

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But back in the day, a lot of people got murdered

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in their sleep. So in terms of it, it's kind

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of a design flaw in a way. It's interesting you

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bring that up. I didn't think you'd open with

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that for sleep. But what's interesting is the

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true test. Like when you're in the military doing

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a patrol, a basic patrol is two people. I mean,

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it's the minimum patrol. You have two people

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that are covering for each other. So when one's

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on watch, the other one's sleeping or resting.

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And when the other one's done sleeping or resting,

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the other one's on watch. Well, you'd have to.

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You couldn't have you both asleep. Right. You

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can't have you both asleep. No. So when I was

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instructed for commando school, we'd actually

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had a red marker. a red permanent marker. So

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if one of the students that was supposed to be

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on watch fell asleep, we would literally go up.

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Stick a red dot on his head. No, we'd put a red

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line on their throats. Oh my God, did that wake

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them up? That would wake me up. It woke them

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up, but they'd be asleep. Oh my goodness, that's

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so funny. If we caught them asleep, we literally

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put a red marker across their neck. Well, having

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a guard, it's important. It's been important

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throughout history, hasn't it? But, you know,

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that's part of culture too. I mean, you know.

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Part of it, being in a family or being in a village,

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is a recognition of the importance of sleep.

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And I have some printout, just some little things,

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anecdotes that I want to review later, but about

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how different cultures viewed sleep. But I think

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the smallest unit would be the individual and

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the family. But I know in my family, I've come

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to find that more and more and more people value

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sleep so much. They actually have separate sleeping

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quarters. Yes. Even married people. My husband

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and I do. Yeah, yeah. If you really love somebody,

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you want them to sleep. Because otherwise it'd

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be cranky. That's absolutely right. My friend

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Charlene, her husband retired recently and she's

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very careful in the morning. She's just very

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light -footed and she doesn't make any noise

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because he's catching up on probably 50 years

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of not having that much sleep. And she's very

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cognizant of that. And again, it's because it's

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important to his well -being. And it is very

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important. When I was a stewardess for British

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Airways, I was doing long -haul flights out of

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Heathrow. The nearest flight we had from Heathrow

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was Boston. going west and then Abu Dhabi and

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Bahrain going east and all we could talk about

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when we met for breakfast in the morning did

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you sleep well last night how did you sleep and

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it was crazy in the first few months this is

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all anyone we were fixated on sleep now it was

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terrible the way that they had it because we

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weren't on a bid system so we couldn't bid for

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the same trip over and over again we were allocated

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trips which was actually great because we could

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travel the world but absolutely crazy for sleep

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you could be in New Zealand one week and over

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in Seattle following week but sleep was all anyone

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talked about in the morning we all oh did you

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sleep how did you wake up oh and it kind of became

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quite a neurotic pastime talking about it so

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I kind of let it go but um yeah we were all fixated

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on it and I still am I mean I'm really aware

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of the importance of it I had a crap night last

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night and my focus is off this morning I can

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tell it's interesting because When I hear you

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talk, it goes back to all my military days. There's

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a program called SERE. It stands for Survival,

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Evasion, Resistance, and Escape. The Resistance

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and Escape involve being in a mock -up, basically

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a prisoner of war camp. And the first couple

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days in the prisoner of war camp, one of the

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first things they do is deprive you of sleep.

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They literally do everything they can. They put

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you in solitary confinement. They put loudspeakers

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outside your door. There's a dripping water.

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There's a recording and there were loop recordings

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of the crying baby, the clanging, you know, the

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pots and pans clanging. It's just anything they

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can do to keep you awake. And the reason is because

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they see the value in sleep and they want to,

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in terms of breaking you down, they recognize

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the first thing they need to do is. destabilize

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you destabilize you take you off balance and

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take away your sleep yeah and then you're not

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going to be able to focus in the same way and

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from a training standpoint now we don't do this

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with pilots did you have to go through that oh

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i went through that plus a few more because I

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volunteered. I mean, it's good training, the

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training itself. Cause we got to fight all. So

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how did you find it then when you were deprived

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of sleep? How long did they keep you up? It's

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very, well, you, first of all, they put you in

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solitary confinement. I'd be okay with that part.

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Well, except for you're in a, in a booth. It's

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like the smallest phone booth. Can you lie down?

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No. You standing up? No. You have a stool with

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one leg and you have a bag over your head. Wow.

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So you need to learn to meditate and control

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your mind. You do. It's all about controlling

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your mind and controlling your thoughts. But

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from a military fighter, from a prisoner of war

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camp point of view, we had this code of conduct

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that said that, you know, basically there's like

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six different elements to the code of conduct.

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I don't know, it might be different now, but

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back then it was six. But the idea was... that

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no matter what happens, I'm going to keep faith

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with my fellow prisoners, right? My comrades.

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So one of the things they do is they break you

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down mentally by depriving you of sleep. And

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then they start to play mind games on you. If

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you think it's difficult, like if somebody said

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to you, oh, Sarah, you wouldn't believe what

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Tia's really said to you. And this is like in

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some social group, right? Well, imagine what

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would happen if... You were sleep deprived for

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many days. And then they said that to you. Your

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ability to... It would be reactionary. It would

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be all reactionary. Yeah. You know, so as a prisoner,

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you know, they could say, you know, all the other

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prisoners hate you. And, you know, here's a recording

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of them hating. They could take a spliced up

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recording and about... And the purpose of that

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is to ensure that you're controlling your mind.

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It's to see how tough you are. Yeah. Because

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you can tell... You can tell how viable a fighting

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force is by how they perform when they're tired,

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when they're exhausted, when they're sleepy.

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And this is where you see this with the Navy

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SEALs. You know, you always hear about the Navy

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SEALs, but probably the most, I can't really

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say because I've not been through all of them,

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but there's a really very little known fighting

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force. It's called the Combat. control team.

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It's part of the air force actually, but they're

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trained in much the same way that the Rangers,

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the sales, all these other forces, but they're

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also air traffic controllers. So they're like

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not only bad -ass like warriors, they're skilled

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with all the perimeter defense, all of that stuff.

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Uh, but they're also air traffic controllers

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and they can be inserted anywhere in the world

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to control airdrops control. Wow. So that's very

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impressive. The control, but those, Do they have

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to go through that type of training? Oh, all

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of us do, yeah. Was it as bad as you thought?

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Well, you know what's interesting? It's about

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learning about yourself. They're not there to

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torture you. They could, but we're training.

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It's not real. But the idea is that if you can

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train your mind how to behave and function...

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While you're in the most decrepit conditions,

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you're tired, you're hungry, it's hot. Uncomfortable.

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It's hot, it's cold, your boots are wet, your

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feet are wet. How long did you last? Well, I

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mean, all of us lasted. What was the longest

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you went before you fell asleep? Well, it's hard

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to tell because when you're sleep deprived, you

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lose sense of time. Right. But from what I gather,

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it's probably, you start to really kind of get

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a messed up mind after 48 hours. Yeah, I don't

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think I've ever been. But I think three days

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is probably a number that would probably start

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to freak out most people. And you can hear people.

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I heard people in the other solitary. You can't

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see them. You're separated. But you can hear

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people start to freak out a little bit. Really?

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Yeah. And can they demand that someone opens

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the door and lets them out or they've got to

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endure it? Well, I don't want to go into too

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many of that. I'd be a big baby. I'd be like,

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let me out of here. But we all volunteered for

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this. Yes, exactly. And you're a very curious

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woman. So you're at that point, you're interested

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in what this is going to do to you. And that's

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probably the very thing that kept you stable

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was your curiosity. But all of us knew we were

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there voluntarily. The sleep deprivation was

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to learn about ourselves. And then what they

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would do is take us into... uh, interrogation.

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So they'd sleep deprive you, then take you into

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interrogation and try to get, you had certain

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secrets that you were not allowed to tell. Like

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they would give you a card before I say, okay,

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you're a, you're an F -15 pilot or you're an

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F -15 navigate, a wizzo or something. Uh, you're,

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you're, this is your role in this scenario. And

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they would try to get you to talk about what

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you did in the military. What, what is your job?

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Oh, you're the general. You're the sergeant.

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You're this, you're that. And the thing is, you're

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supposed to say name, rank, serial number, date

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of birth. That's it. Like basic stuff. You're

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not supposed to tell who you are, who's in your

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squadron, what your mission was, how long you've

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been deployed, where your base is. You're not

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supposed to talk about all those things. But

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the thing is, talking about sleep. You have to

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be really focused because it's really easy to

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say things unwittingly because you're sleep deprived.

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But it was really something of an exercise. Did

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anyone fail or have to redo it? Did people leave

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and think, I can't handle this? Well, I don't

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think there was necessarily failures because

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what they would do is there's different levels

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of training. You're not supposed to come out

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of role. It's a training role, but you have to

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treat it like it's real. If somebody was tending,

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like when I was the instructor, we would take

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turns being the aggressors and being the instructors.

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So if you're the aggressor, then you're the one

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that's actually doing the field interrogations.

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You're the one that's putting the pressure on

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those people. If you're the instructor, then

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you're kind of playing in the shadow and you're

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making sure the patrol or the people, they know

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what they're doing. They know how to react. But

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we've been pre -briefed on most of the stuff

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going in. But in commander school, when I was

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the aggressor, we would sometimes play games

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with people. Like if you were going to come out

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of role and you wanted to, oh, this is too much

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for me. What I would do with you is I would take

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out a cushion or I would literally, I would put

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your patrol mate, say there's two of you, and

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we captured both of you. and you want to do it

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easy on yourself, I would say, okay, you take

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it easy, sit here, here's some water, here's

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some food, and then I would take your partner

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over here, and I'd probably tie him to a tree,

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or tie her to a tree, and I would... Make him

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as uncomfortable as you can. Totally, yeah. I

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can't really say this. And the lesson is that

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if you're weak, then it's going to affect someone

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else. Correct. Your patrol... Your patrol is

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only as strong as you are. You're the weakest

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link. If you're going to be that weak link, everyone's

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going to suffer. So what I would do is if you

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want to take the easy way out, you do it. I'm

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going to put your friend under duress. It's called

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under duress. We're going to make him kneel on

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pine cones. We couldn't do like nail, you know,

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bamboos under there. That's not, this was a training

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exercise. You could have him like stand on one

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foot. You've got to be a certain mindset. I'd

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really admire it. I think I'm too much of a baby,

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too much into my comfort zone. But you learn

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about yourself. That's the whole point. What

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did you learn that you didn't know? That you're

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a badass. I mean, it must make you feel like

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a badass if you can get through that. Any time

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you're tested and you endure and you come through.

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I think... Through any section of life. Well,

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so that's a very good question. I didn't know

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we were going to go down this path, but... This

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is not about the individual. I think the number

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one thing you learn, and the one reason I really

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miss the military so much, it's not about me.

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It's about us. It's about... But you said that

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you were learning about your own mind. True.

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Did you impress yourself with your resilience?

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Or did you think, you know, I could have done

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better? Did you evaluate yourself? I mean, not

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really. I mean, when you're backwards looking

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backwards, like even now, I'm 62 years old. I

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look back at my life. I'm like... What did I

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do? But when you're in it, you don't think that

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way. You're mostly thinking about how can I help

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my people? When we were actually in the, when

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I was actually in the prisoner of war camp as

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the student, we actually set the record for,

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they didn't tell us till afterwards, but because

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I'm a smart ass, I always got accused of being

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what they call covert leader. covert leader so

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every there's a structure within all organizations

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and there's almost always the formal leader and

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then there's the covert leader and um the covert

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leader was the one if you're the smart ass like

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oh you must be the covert leader and they would

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take you and give you special attention right

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but but i embraced that role i wasn't the covert

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leader which is good because i knew who the covert

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leader was they isolated me and wanted me to

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to rat out the covert leader, but I didn't. What

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I did was I embraced the role, and they were

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telling me, what's the plan? What are you all

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going to do? And I would lie to them. I would

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tell them something false, and I would catch

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the heat. But while I was in prisoner of war

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camp, the training scenarios, my group set the

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record for two records we set. Number one was

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the number of simultaneous escape attempts. So

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we had people going out the camp multiple ways,

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multiple directions at the same time. So even

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if three or four or five were caught, two or

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three got away. So we always had multiple escape

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attempts at the same time. Success ratio. We

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coordinated distractions. We'd have a couple

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people start a fight in the middle of the camp.

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So the guards would come forward to break up

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the fight, but then we'd have escapes going on.

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But why weren't they aware of that, that this

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was a decoy? But they know that, but this is

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what they wanted to teach us. They wanted to

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teach us to work as a team, even though we're

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in this very austere environment, they wanted

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us to work as a team. So we set two records.

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Number one was the number of simultaneous attempts.

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And at the end of the week, we had set the record

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for the total number of escapes. Good. So I never

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escaped. I never escaped because I was in the

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spotlight. I drew so much attention. But there's

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value to that. Right, yes. Because even though

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I couldn't escape, I helped so many other people

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escape. So that's what I learned about myself.

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And all of us learn to some degree it's not about

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us. It's not about us individually. It's about

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helping other people and being a resource for

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other people. That's lovely. I couldn't handle

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it. I could not be sleep deprived. You could

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though. No, you really could. The sleep part

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would be horrible. It would be horrible. I could

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do some of the psychological parts of it. It

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would be horrible, but you'd do fine. This is

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the whole point is you don't even know what you're

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capable of doing. But you're beautiful and you're

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powerful, and this is about self -discovery,

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and it makes you a more powerful person. We should

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open up a boot camp, a sleep deprivation boot

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camp, three days, and we'll test everyone, and

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they'll feel great at the end of it. Why don't

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you just be an employer of a major corporation,

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and you'll have 500 zombies looking for you.

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No, I want to run this whole thing with your

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expertise. Oh, my God, you're so funny. So let's

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double back to sleeping because we talked briefly

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about separate rooms for people. I know Robin

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and I, we have our bedroom, but if one of us

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is tossing and turning, we almost always just

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say, okay, look, if I'm the one that's tossing

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and turning, I'm going to sneak out and go sleep

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on the couch or the guest room or something.

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And even if I'm getting up to make coffee in

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the morning. I tiptoe. I want to make sure that.

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Yeah. I'll never do it like before five. Like

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I won't push the go button. Right. Yes. I don't

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want the. I know that whirring. Because there's

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a little beep or what. Yeah. I don't want any

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of that. They ought to have a silencer on those

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coffee machines. They really should. They really

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should. Because my husband. It's a big expensive

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beast. But it's so loud. It's so loud. It's terrible.

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We never hushed it on this. So we have this.

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So we really honor sleep in this house. Yeah.

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And we try to protect it. Yeah. It's, it's pretty

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important. So what are some of your more novel

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experiences with sleep or not sleep? Well, I

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had, so let's go into a little bit about dreaming

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because I knew we were going to talk about sleep.

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And, um, I, um, fell asleep. I woken up around

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five in the morning. And I'd gone back into a

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dream sequence. And I seem to be able to remember

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my dream sequences when they are the early ones

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in the morning. I don't seem to be able to remember

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early ones, but the earlier ones. So I was with

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my husband. I was in India. And it was before

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we had children. We were on this road called

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Tangier Road for some reason. So this is a dream?

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This is a dream. And this is two nights ago.

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And it was early in the morning. And then there

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were tuk -tuks and rickshaws everywhere. It was

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as you would remember India when you were there.

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And then all of a sudden my dog Molly appeared.

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There was no context for that because she wasn't

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even born then. And a truck came and hit her.

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Really just laid her out. And then I woke up

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with a start and shot out of bed. And then I'm

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thinking, what the fuck? It was really, and then

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Molly's there sort of wagging her tail and everything's

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fine and I readjust. And I'm thinking, what was

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the point of that? And then in my mind, I have

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workers coming to the house that morning to do

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the tile. And then I'd let Molly out. I'd made

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a cup of tea. And then I thought, you know what?

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I'm going to let Molly back in because was that

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some type of warning? I had three trucks come

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down the driveway and Molly could wander around.

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So was that some message? that I needed to protect

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Molly. So I did have, and I would have probably

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left her to wander around. She'd be over by the

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pond. And I didn't. And I brought her into the

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house for some reason. So did I avert a disaster

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by this random, hardcore, it was so brief, but

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it's just so real. So I'm not sure whether we're

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getting warnings about a future moment. And that's

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a mechanism that the universe uses. Those are

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really good questions. And I don't know the answer.

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I don't. I can tell you that there's been times,

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I think to some degree, sometimes I'll wake up

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and Robin and I'll have coffee and I'll talk

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to her about my dreams or she'll talk about her

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dreams. But sometimes she will tell me, I'll

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say, I dreamed about this happening. And there

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were all these little bits and pieces and scrambled

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little, it's like an amalgamation of things that

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don't really seemingly connect. When I explained

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to her the dream and how my dream connected all

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these pieces, she'll say, well, that piece was

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from the plant exchange because remember that

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lady said, and that other piece was from that

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person you saw at the store. Remember they bumped

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your leg? She's seeing it like a puzzle. It's

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like a puzzle. And I think that to some degree

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your mind kind of seeks to put together these

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nonsensical things that happen during the day.

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and weave it together into a picture that kind

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of makes sense to you. But what would be the

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spiritual point behind that? Because it all just

00:23:01.980 --> 00:23:04.059
sounds like a crapshoot. Well, I don't know that

00:23:04.059 --> 00:23:06.000
there's anything in that regard. I don't know

00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:07.700
that there's anything spiritual. But maybe our

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subconscious is learning something. We don't

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have access to that, and something profound is

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going on. Well, I think if you back away from

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what I just shared, I think there's a lot of

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people who dream about stuff, and they realize

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if you think about it, there were fragments from

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the past week or month, or maybe some thoughts.

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thinking about. Because your subconscious mind

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is receiving all these data points and it doesn't

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know what to do with this. So your mind is always

00:23:32.329 --> 00:23:35.410
trying to complete a picture. Right. So it's

00:23:35.410 --> 00:23:36.869
got all these fragments. So it satisfies your

00:23:36.869 --> 00:23:40.390
mind's penchant for completing a picture, perhaps.

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No, I don't know. We're just calculating. I don't

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know the answer. Yeah, I know. But I know first

00:23:45.109 --> 00:23:47.410
person that if I ever have those days that are

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completely disjunct and there's a bunch of randomness,

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sometimes my dreams do try to put those together.

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But if there's a dominant thought, like say one

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of my children's having some problems in their

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life. Well, if my dominant thought is worrying

00:24:05.579 --> 00:24:10.420
about them, it might not even be them. It's what

00:24:10.420 --> 00:24:12.160
they're going through. So say they're going through,

00:24:12.220 --> 00:24:14.619
say they lost their cat. My son lost his cat.

00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.119
Well, the loss of a cat, that's to some people

00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:19.440
like losing a family member. It's really bad.

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So he was really upset. So my feeling about him

00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:25.759
losing his cat was that of sadness and compassion.

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You know, I was like, dang, that sucks. Well,

00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.559
that feeling is what transmutes into the dream

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stage. It's not necessarily the details of how

00:24:33.619 --> 00:24:36.819
did the cat die? How old was the cat? But it

00:24:36.819 --> 00:24:38.640
was the actual feeling. It was the experience.

00:24:39.450 --> 00:24:41.009
that translates into the dream. And then your

00:24:41.009 --> 00:24:43.710
dream tries to weave those together. Dreamweaver.

00:24:43.849 --> 00:24:46.750
Yeah, that's right. Gary White. Great song. I

00:24:46.750 --> 00:24:50.430
love that song, right? So I think dreams, you

00:24:50.430 --> 00:24:52.509
know, dreams throughout history. Do you remember

00:24:52.509 --> 00:24:55.089
your dreams with clarity? So I wanted to, you

00:24:55.089 --> 00:24:58.349
mentioned that, you mentioned that the dreams

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you have closer to when you wake up. You can

00:25:01.529 --> 00:25:04.089
remember them. You can remember better. I do

00:25:04.089 --> 00:25:07.150
have some, like. the frequencies of sleep, but

00:25:07.150 --> 00:25:08.509
I want to just, before I go there, I want to

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talk about the REM sleep. You have different

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stages of REM sleep. So you have non -REM sleep

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and then you have REM sleep. REM sleep stands

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for rapid eye movement. All right. The first

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stage of REM sleep is shallow and brief, but

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then the second stage is a little bit deeper,

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a little bit longer, but the third and fourth

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stages. You're going deep into sleep and your

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fourth stage is the longest. So probably the

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reason you remember your, your later stages,

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the third or fourth stage, depending on how many

00:25:42.829 --> 00:25:46.289
stages you have is because you're, you're in

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there deeper and longer. It's more experiential.

00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:51.440
the first couple of stages, you're just kind

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of falling. It's like going, it's like skiing.

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You go, the little, the little bumps going down

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the hill, but then pretty soon you're picking

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up speed and you're getting deeper into these

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moguls and deeper, you know, bigger slaloms.

00:26:03.380 --> 00:26:06.740
It's just, it opens up for you. It's funny, when

00:26:06.740 --> 00:26:09.059
I had this dream about Molly and she got hit

00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:11.140
by this truck, I woke up immediately and it was

00:26:11.140 --> 00:26:15.019
in my mind. But I have had many times where I've

00:26:15.019 --> 00:26:17.839
woken up and I'm aware that I'm coming through

00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:20.940
layers. And I'm not going to be able to describe

00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:23.839
it particularly, but it feels like layers of

00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.180
consciousness. And if you could just see layers

00:26:26.180 --> 00:26:28.740
in a rock and then I'm coming to the surface

00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:32.000
and I'm aware that that is happening to me. And

00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.779
I've been somewhere very far away. And then I

00:26:34.779 --> 00:26:37.180
kind of. of slowly going through layers and coming

00:26:37.180 --> 00:26:39.400
back to this reality. That's kind of an interesting

00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:42.180
experience. I like how you frame that up, because

00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:46.359
you said, I came back to this reality. I sometimes

00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:50.480
wonder if what we're in here is the dream, and

00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:52.339
then that's the reality. I think this is the

00:26:52.339 --> 00:26:54.460
dream. I think this is Maya. This is the illusion.

00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:58.079
This is the simulation that we're in. I have

00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:01.500
multiple reasons for saying that, but first of

00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:04.769
all, in my dreams, Well, in your dream, let me

00:27:04.769 --> 00:27:08.730
ask you this. In all of your dreams, you've probably

00:27:08.730 --> 00:27:10.950
been injured or hurt or whatever. You maybe even

00:27:10.950 --> 00:27:13.549
been killed or whatever. But were you ever killed

00:27:13.549 --> 00:27:16.069
in your own dreams? I actually don't have that

00:27:16.069 --> 00:27:19.109
much experience with murder and killing in my

00:27:19.109 --> 00:27:22.329
dreams generally over my lifetime. I did have

00:27:22.329 --> 00:27:24.809
a dream. And this was the first time that I had

00:27:24.809 --> 00:27:27.970
lucid dreams where I dreamt I was sitting on

00:27:27.970 --> 00:27:30.910
a couch. And to my left, there was this quite

00:27:30.910 --> 00:27:34.710
a... inadequate looking man stature wise and

00:27:34.710 --> 00:27:36.930
in his appearance but he was absolutely evil

00:27:36.930 --> 00:27:39.569
and his intent was to harm me the most brutally

00:27:39.569 --> 00:27:43.450
he could terrifying absolutely terrifying and

00:27:43.450 --> 00:27:47.349
in my mind in the dream The thoughts came into

00:27:47.349 --> 00:27:50.170
my head, in my mind, in the dream, change what

00:27:50.170 --> 00:27:52.690
you're thinking about. And then I pictured a

00:27:52.690 --> 00:27:55.569
hotel in El San Juan, the El San Juan Hotel in

00:27:55.569 --> 00:27:57.289
Puerto Rico. And I pictured being in the lobby

00:27:57.289 --> 00:27:59.390
there. I'd been there many times, beautiful paneled,

00:27:59.390 --> 00:28:02.369
lovely crystal lighting. And then I was transported

00:28:02.369 --> 00:28:05.890
there. This man had gone and he was nowhere in

00:28:05.890 --> 00:28:08.690
my reality at all. And that was the first time

00:28:08.690 --> 00:28:11.289
that I had changed the trajectory of my dream

00:28:11.289 --> 00:28:15.160
because I was so terrified. I love that. Thank

00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.380
you for sharing that with me. I actually have,

00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:20.259
well, the reason I bring up, do you die in your

00:28:20.259 --> 00:28:23.259
dreams is that you don't. Oh, he was going to

00:28:23.259 --> 00:28:24.819
kill you. Because like, even if, even if you

00:28:24.819 --> 00:28:28.799
fell, even if you fell off a 20 story building

00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.000
without a parachute or without anything, you're

00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.660
just going to hit the ground. You either wake

00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:36.059
up falling or you wake up hitting the ground

00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:38.859
and bouncing, but you don't die. You literally

00:28:38.859 --> 00:28:42.089
don't die. And has that happened to you? Oh God,

00:28:42.170 --> 00:28:43.789
I've been... And so you're aware that I've just

00:28:43.789 --> 00:28:46.589
fallen off a 20 -story building and I've bounced

00:28:46.589 --> 00:28:49.250
and I'm awake. I cannot even tell you how many

00:28:49.250 --> 00:28:53.029
times I have died in my dreams, but I didn't

00:28:53.029 --> 00:28:55.430
die. So does that mean every time that happens

00:28:55.430 --> 00:28:58.029
to you, you're not scared about it? Well, I don't

00:28:58.029 --> 00:29:00.750
know what it means because... But it would alleviate

00:29:00.750 --> 00:29:02.670
the terror because you know that you're invincible.

00:29:03.430 --> 00:29:07.349
Well, here's the thing. Let's just say that there's

00:29:07.349 --> 00:29:09.710
a scene in your dream where you get hit by a

00:29:09.710 --> 00:29:13.109
car and you're flat out dead. How do you know

00:29:13.109 --> 00:29:16.130
you're dead? Because you're taking a look at

00:29:16.130 --> 00:29:19.430
yourself from outside of your body. So you have

00:29:19.430 --> 00:29:23.210
left your body, but you're the observer. So you

00:29:23.210 --> 00:29:26.150
are still alive. This meat suit, this avatar

00:29:26.150 --> 00:29:29.289
is laying there, but you're still having an experience.

00:29:29.950 --> 00:29:34.500
So the fact that you're conscious. And you're

00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:37.240
dreaming is prima facie evidence that you're

00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.799
still alive. That's right. The fact that you

00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:41.680
can interpret, you can analyze, you can remember,

00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.539
you can recall. All of those are evidence that

00:29:44.539 --> 00:29:46.759
you're alive. You're just playing this movie

00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:50.279
out. It happens. Now, one thing, when I met Robin,

00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:52.440
she was previously married to an alcoholic. It

00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.240
was totally abusive in terms of mostly emotional.

00:29:56.140 --> 00:30:01.119
But after we got married, I would come home and

00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.670
open the garage door. I'd come in and she'd be

00:30:03.670 --> 00:30:06.289
in a cold sweat because the garage door opener

00:30:06.289 --> 00:30:09.990
was a trigger. So that's when her ex -husband

00:30:09.990 --> 00:30:11.769
came home and he was... It was just being an

00:30:11.769 --> 00:30:14.690
idiot. Or maybe she thought he was dead on the

00:30:14.690 --> 00:30:17.170
street or something. Because when alcoholics

00:30:17.170 --> 00:30:20.089
go do stuff, they're not thinking to call home.

00:30:20.170 --> 00:30:22.009
They're not thinking to leave a note where they

00:30:22.009 --> 00:30:24.930
are. And that's very traumatic for a spouse,

00:30:25.130 --> 00:30:28.410
right? Didn't know where you were, any of that.

00:30:28.869 --> 00:30:31.390
You could have been... yeah in a ditch somewhere

00:30:31.390 --> 00:30:33.130
especially in michigan in the winter there's

00:30:33.130 --> 00:30:35.369
you go off one of these country roads in michigan

00:30:35.369 --> 00:30:37.730
in the winter you're gonna wake up a little icicle

00:30:37.730 --> 00:30:39.829
you're gonna be like you're gonna be like a popsicle

00:30:39.829 --> 00:30:43.130
when you wake up so so you know you don't know

00:30:43.130 --> 00:30:45.990
the garage door triggered her then that was so

00:30:45.990 --> 00:30:49.190
but it took a long time uh there was triggers

00:30:49.190 --> 00:30:52.049
that drive you into this fear state that's your

00:30:52.049 --> 00:30:55.710
amygdala yeah and The amygdala is the part of

00:30:55.710 --> 00:30:58.849
the brain that's where the fears and the nightmares

00:30:58.849 --> 00:31:02.150
kind of get triggered up. But sometimes there's

00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:04.329
triggers that happen that make you go there.

00:31:04.430 --> 00:31:06.789
And you can change those out by replacing the,

00:31:06.809 --> 00:31:09.130
like when the trigger happens, replace it with

00:31:09.130 --> 00:31:12.170
something else. So it's called CBT, which is

00:31:12.170 --> 00:31:15.609
cognitive behavioral therapy. So as soon as you

00:31:15.609 --> 00:31:17.700
hear the trigger. you have to immediately say,

00:31:17.740 --> 00:31:19.539
there's the trigger. I'm going to change the

00:31:19.539 --> 00:31:22.200
output. I'm going to refocus. Whenever that happens,

00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:27.880
I'm going to recalibrate. Well, for years she

00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:32.740
had nightmares, and we agreed, we had this conversation

00:31:32.740 --> 00:31:35.819
about nightmares, about how important they are.

00:31:36.259 --> 00:31:39.619
And the reason they're important is because it

00:31:39.619 --> 00:31:42.569
helps you come to resolution. Without actually

00:31:42.569 --> 00:31:44.410
having to do that in your daily waking life.

00:31:44.630 --> 00:31:46.109
It's just like being in a prisoner of war camp.

00:31:46.230 --> 00:31:47.829
Yes, you can see that's a good way to frame it.

00:31:47.849 --> 00:31:49.609
So if you're in a prisoner of war camp, the whole

00:31:49.609 --> 00:31:51.890
thing is about training you to deal with those

00:31:51.890 --> 00:31:55.349
things. So a lot of times with nightmares, if

00:31:55.349 --> 00:31:56.730
you can have a discussion with somebody about

00:31:56.730 --> 00:31:58.430
what was the nightmare, what were your feelings,

00:31:58.549 --> 00:32:01.230
what were your thoughts, how did you do? By the

00:32:01.230 --> 00:32:03.849
way, you were alive to talk about it, so you

00:32:03.849 --> 00:32:07.190
won. Yes. So the nightmare was actually just

00:32:07.190 --> 00:32:10.700
like life. It was a gift. Yes, I think that's

00:32:10.700 --> 00:32:14.660
a great way to frame it. So even now, I basically

00:32:14.660 --> 00:32:18.720
never have nightmares anymore. Like zero. I'm

00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.660
always winning in my dreams. That was a nightmare

00:32:22.660 --> 00:32:24.980
because Molly had died being hit by a truck.

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.759
So that was a recent nightmare. Very brief and

00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.460
I woke up so it didn't have much impact. But

00:32:31.460 --> 00:32:35.220
it was so real though. There was no distinguishing

00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:39.160
this from that. So in terms of training our consciousness,

00:32:39.339 --> 00:32:41.579
I think everything's got a purpose, including

00:32:41.579 --> 00:32:45.319
nightmares. So our dream states... Did that help

00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.720
Robin get over her nightmares? Yeah, she's almost

00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.440
100 % now. That's great. Now, I personally, I

00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.460
don't know if I'm going to disclose this to public,

00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:57.279
but I mean, I still have sometimes what's called

00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.319
PTSD. I don't know if you know what that is.

00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:01.019
Yes, post -traumatic stress disorder. Yeah, I

00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:04.880
still have some of that. And if you're a veteran

00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:08.700
or first responder... whatever. I want this message

00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:13.460
to be through to you that just dance with it.

00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:18.819
It's going to get better. Let it go. If it comes

00:33:18.819 --> 00:33:22.230
back, greet it. understand that it's part of

00:33:22.230 --> 00:33:24.250
your healing process right and is this happening

00:33:24.250 --> 00:33:26.650
to you when you're awake or in your dreams most

00:33:26.650 --> 00:33:28.849
uh when i'm deep asleep then you're deep asleep

00:33:28.849 --> 00:33:31.829
and they're those the only those the only recreation

00:33:31.829 --> 00:33:34.349
of some certain scene that happened to you is

00:33:34.349 --> 00:33:36.269
it well i mean that's kind of private but yeah

00:33:36.269 --> 00:33:39.569
but yeah but is it are you remembering an event

00:33:39.569 --> 00:33:42.150
yeah there's real time in your real time event

00:33:42.150 --> 00:33:44.490
in no they're almost never exact events okay

00:33:44.779 --> 00:33:46.539
Almost never. They're almost always synthetic,

00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.660
but they have elements of the actual event. But

00:33:49.660 --> 00:33:53.420
the thing is you, you wake up in, sometimes you

00:33:53.420 --> 00:33:55.799
wake up and then you, you're just traumatized.

00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.880
Like you're sweating. You're, you're literally

00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:04.299
shaking. Um, but what I've learned to do is give

00:34:04.299 --> 00:34:08.239
gratitude that whatever just happened was not

00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.000
real. yeah that i'm here i'm safe safe i'm in

00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.139
i'm in a house bad is ever going to happen i'm

00:34:14.139 --> 00:34:16.079
in a house with someone who loves me there you

00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:19.000
go but the other part of it is even if something

00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.860
did happen to me even if that was real i'm infinite

00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:26.260
yeah my soul my soul is going to go someplace

00:34:26.260 --> 00:34:28.519
else so that's a very good belief system to have

00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.360
if you're having these episodes well this is

00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.579
the only thing that you're impervious to any

00:34:32.579 --> 00:34:34.900
type of destruction this is the only thing that's

00:34:34.900 --> 00:34:37.750
actually helping me over the years It's the only

00:34:37.750 --> 00:34:40.170
thing that helps me with it. I think they're

00:34:40.170 --> 00:34:44.489
called, there's a name for them. It's like N

00:34:44.489 --> 00:34:50.530
-PTSD, nighttime PTSD. But basically, it only

00:34:50.530 --> 00:34:52.429
happens at nighttime. It only happens when your

00:34:52.429 --> 00:34:55.710
prefrontal cortex, when your thought capacities

00:34:55.710 --> 00:34:58.389
are basically zero. You're completely degraded,

00:34:58.389 --> 00:35:02.289
and you're basically raw, and you can't. But

00:35:02.289 --> 00:35:05.630
what's interesting about my dreams, those nightmares,

00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:08.340
And again, they almost never happen anymore.

00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.880
It sounds like you've healthily processed it.

00:35:11.900 --> 00:35:16.260
Well, you do. But what I've done is I started

00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:19.260
realizing, because when you start to dive into

00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:21.320
what are those dreams, why are they happening,

00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:27.960
in almost every circumstance, I died protecting

00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:32.739
somebody else. Protecting somebody else. Pushing

00:35:32.739 --> 00:35:36.559
them out, taking the round. jumping on something

00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.199
doing i was always doing something to protect

00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:44.659
somebody else and uh sorry you got to talk for

00:35:44.659 --> 00:35:47.800
a second all right i will so we got frequencies

00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:50.039
coming up we're going to talk about frequencies

00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:54.320
in so i want to hear a bit about this and what's

00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:59.969
the implications of the frequencies so And we're

00:35:59.969 --> 00:36:03.369
all vibrating at a certain frequency. I understand

00:36:03.369 --> 00:36:05.949
that and I conceptually understand that. But

00:36:05.949 --> 00:36:09.670
these frequencies as regards to sleep. Yeah.

00:36:09.730 --> 00:36:13.550
So just to put closure on what I was trying to

00:36:13.550 --> 00:36:16.809
wrap up there. Yeah. What I've come to learn

00:36:16.809 --> 00:36:19.550
was an extension from really from the prisoner

00:36:19.550 --> 00:36:23.710
of war camp. But it's also really metaphoric

00:36:23.710 --> 00:36:26.449
for our lives. Like, who are we and why are we

00:36:26.449 --> 00:36:30.280
here? We're here. for ourselves to have experiences

00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.940
but we're also here to serve others yeah and

00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:36.579
there's probably it sounds so cliche and so were

00:36:36.579 --> 00:36:39.360
you like that as a child were you quite selfless

00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:41.440
as a child was that as a result of your military

00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:44.800
training no no no i was the opposite as a child

00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:47.940
you were selfish as a child i was selfish as

00:36:47.940 --> 00:36:50.420
a child i wasn't me me me no i was a really good

00:36:50.420 --> 00:36:52.599
kid i was i was the friend you wanted to have

00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:56.369
but i was also i hated myself And I wanted to

00:36:56.369 --> 00:36:59.750
off myself, but it was going to be, I spent most

00:36:59.750 --> 00:37:01.849
of my life, probably two thirds of my life wanting

00:37:01.849 --> 00:37:04.449
to not be here. So I wonder whether you decided

00:37:04.449 --> 00:37:07.690
to protect others and take the bullet for someone

00:37:07.690 --> 00:37:11.090
else was because in, in that you would get off

00:37:11.090 --> 00:37:13.570
the planet yourself. That's part of it. But also,

00:37:13.670 --> 00:37:18.650
uh, if I do something that valuable, it ultimately

00:37:18.650 --> 00:37:21.789
gives my life value. It gives my life value.

00:37:22.489 --> 00:37:25.900
So, so. You know, those are things we could talk

00:37:25.900 --> 00:37:27.960
about, but the bottom line with the nighttime

00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.739
PTSD, the nightmares and stuff, is that if you

00:37:31.739 --> 00:37:33.960
run away from them, see, here's the thing with

00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:39.000
life, anything in life, if all of us are going

00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.260
to either run towards something or run away from

00:37:41.260 --> 00:37:46.380
something, we're always more excited running

00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:50.340
towards something. Or stimulated. Adrenaline's

00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:52.360
firing. When we're running, because that's something

00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.719
I want to do. Even if you're running into a machine

00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:57.679
gun fire or something, you're running into the

00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.199
line of fire. It's exciting because you want

00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.940
to do that. It's intentional. If you're running

00:38:03.940 --> 00:38:06.840
away from something, generally you're running

00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.460
away because somebody's trying to exert force

00:38:09.460 --> 00:38:12.539
or influence upon you. And the best way to deal

00:38:12.539 --> 00:38:14.440
with that is run and hide. And that's distress.

00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:20.219
So as a rule, that's why I teach my people, if

00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:22.969
you don't have a vision for yourself, then you're

00:38:22.969 --> 00:38:25.769
subject to the world. But if you have a vision

00:38:25.769 --> 00:38:28.050
for yourself and you state it, you give your

00:38:28.050 --> 00:38:30.469
purpose, you give your intention, and you go

00:38:30.469 --> 00:38:35.070
for it, the life gets exciting. Sarah Theria,

00:38:35.190 --> 00:38:37.809
you're writing all these books. Every day is

00:38:37.809 --> 00:38:39.610
exciting. You just wrapped up another book. What

00:38:39.610 --> 00:38:41.469
do you have, 40 of them now or something? I don't

00:38:41.469 --> 00:38:44.869
even know. Every time I talk to you and you just

00:38:44.869 --> 00:38:47.630
wrap up, you finished up a book, you're fired

00:38:47.630 --> 00:38:49.650
up, you're excited, and your mind is like, what's

00:38:49.650 --> 00:38:52.710
next? Because you literally told me, I just wrapped

00:38:52.710 --> 00:38:54.650
up a book. I'm excited to get to the rest of

00:38:54.650 --> 00:38:57.650
my list. Yeah. The reason your life is exciting

00:38:57.650 --> 00:38:59.769
is because you have these things you're going

00:38:59.769 --> 00:39:03.030
towards. Purpose. You want to do these things.

00:39:03.329 --> 00:39:05.690
Even if it's going to the beach or going to the

00:39:05.690 --> 00:39:08.469
theme park or going to the movies, if you're

00:39:08.469 --> 00:39:12.170
moving towards something, life is exciting. If

00:39:12.170 --> 00:39:14.409
every day is the same thing, I got to go into

00:39:14.409 --> 00:39:16.909
the stupid boss, stupid neighbor, stupid this,

00:39:17.050 --> 00:39:20.590
blah, blah, life sucks. You got to change something.

00:39:20.730 --> 00:39:22.829
You got to find something you can run towards.

00:39:22.949 --> 00:39:26.329
Right. So, um, but, but the, the nightmares for

00:39:26.329 --> 00:39:29.510
me, it's, I had to run towards them. I had to

00:39:29.510 --> 00:39:33.510
face them and say, okay, I see you. I know who

00:39:33.510 --> 00:39:37.349
you are. I know why you're here. Thank you. Yeah.

00:39:37.469 --> 00:39:40.309
You're trying to heal me. You're trying to help

00:39:40.309 --> 00:39:42.869
me. And even if you don't understand the processes,

00:39:42.909 --> 00:39:45.510
you're having faith that something good is going

00:39:45.510 --> 00:39:47.829
on cognitively and you're going to show gratitude

00:39:47.829 --> 00:39:50.969
for it. I love it. That's how I do it. I mean,

00:39:50.989 --> 00:39:53.309
if it helps another veteran or something, great.

00:39:53.630 --> 00:39:55.389
That's great. I'm glad that we have this conversation.

00:39:55.409 --> 00:39:56.869
Yeah, it's pretty cool. It is going to be helpful.

00:39:57.010 --> 00:39:58.369
I'm not glad, but I'm glad we're talking. Well,

00:39:58.369 --> 00:40:00.289
I've never had PTSD. I've had certain things

00:40:00.289 --> 00:40:02.010
happen to me which haven't been great, but not

00:40:02.010 --> 00:40:03.969
to the level you had. But a lot of people have,

00:40:04.130 --> 00:40:07.389
and that must really suck. So there's some, you

00:40:07.389 --> 00:40:09.369
talked about these waves. These frequencies.

00:40:09.389 --> 00:40:10.889
Yeah, these frequencies. They're pretty cool,

00:40:10.949 --> 00:40:15.389
actually. But did you know the Earth, Gaia, we

00:40:15.389 --> 00:40:17.170
call her Mother Earth, do you know she's got

00:40:17.170 --> 00:40:19.480
her own frequency? I've heard that. Yeah, it's

00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:23.260
just under 8 hertz. It's about 7 .84 hertz or

00:40:23.260 --> 00:40:24.940
something. For those of you who don't know what

00:40:24.940 --> 00:40:27.159
hertz are, it's cycles per second. That means

00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:30.099
it's going to vibrate almost 8 times a second,

00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:34.380
the Earth. Well, our brain has got different

00:40:34.380 --> 00:40:38.539
waves too. There's been experiments where they've

00:40:38.539 --> 00:40:40.880
taken college students and put them in an underground

00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:46.099
cave, like a chamber, and they removed the Gaia

00:40:46.099 --> 00:40:49.750
frequency. They basically... What happened to

00:40:49.750 --> 00:40:53.530
them? They went crazy. They literally went crazy.

00:40:53.570 --> 00:40:55.530
They lost track of time. So Gaia's frequency

00:40:55.530 --> 00:40:57.889
is stabilizing. Yeah, it's very stabilizing.

00:40:58.110 --> 00:41:01.929
And so I say that only because even though I

00:41:01.929 --> 00:41:03.769
can't express to you the importance of these

00:41:03.769 --> 00:41:05.750
frequencies, we have to acknowledge that they

00:41:05.750 --> 00:41:08.929
do exist and they are important. When those students

00:41:08.929 --> 00:41:12.110
came out of the cave, or it's not a cave, it

00:41:12.110 --> 00:41:14.750
was like an underground bunker, and they neutralized...

00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:18.139
the Gaia frequency. So the eight Hertz, they

00:41:18.139 --> 00:41:20.840
actually put an equal and opposite signal and

00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.460
it neutralized that frequency. So they live their

00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:25.280
lives normally. They could do anything they want.

00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:26.579
They could eat, they could do all this stuff,

00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:29.800
but that frequency was taken away and it literally

00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:34.000
made their brains scattered. So for some reason

00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.380
or another, these frequencies actually have a

00:41:36.380 --> 00:41:40.019
profound impact on your, on your brain. The frequencies

00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:44.980
that our brain enjoy that are closest to mother

00:41:44.980 --> 00:41:48.559
earth is called theta right theta and those frequencies

00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:52.019
are between four and eight hertz so between four

00:41:52.019 --> 00:41:54.900
hertz and eight hertz now i'm just going to read

00:41:54.900 --> 00:41:57.300
this because i just printed out but yeah it says

00:41:57.300 --> 00:42:01.059
these uh these emerge these frequencies emerge

00:42:01.059 --> 00:42:05.539
during light sleep and rem sleep so the first

00:42:05.539 --> 00:42:09.119
stage of rem sleep associated with dreaming theta

00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:13.750
waves also appear during deep meditation and

00:42:13.750 --> 00:42:16.670
drowsiness when you're transitioning into sleep.

00:42:16.929 --> 00:42:19.530
So when you're in that place right before sleep

00:42:19.530 --> 00:42:22.329
and your day is done and you're giving gratitude,

00:42:22.469 --> 00:42:25.429
you're meditating, and you're just falling and

00:42:25.429 --> 00:42:29.909
you're just settling in, that's theta. Now prior

00:42:29.909 --> 00:42:32.590
to theta, like when we're living our lives, we're

00:42:32.590 --> 00:42:35.590
in alpha. Alpha, I'm going to just read it. It's

00:42:35.590 --> 00:42:39.409
between 8 and 12 hertz. It says associated with

00:42:39.409 --> 00:42:43.159
relaxed wakefulness. So right now you and I are

00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.760
probably pretty close to alpha. Right. Alpha

00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.659
waves appear during a transition to sleep to

00:42:49.659 --> 00:42:54.099
relax and close your eyes. So we go to alpha,

00:42:54.219 --> 00:42:56.019
but you can actually be in full consciousness

00:42:56.019 --> 00:43:00.079
in a state of alpha. So if you're one of those

00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.980
peaceful people, you've run into people like

00:43:02.980 --> 00:43:05.000
us where you're just... Just chill. There could

00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.400
be a complete shit show around you and you're

00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.179
okay. You just chill. You're probably right on

00:43:10.179 --> 00:43:13.889
the brink of... on the teeter of alpha, but then

00:43:13.889 --> 00:43:18.230
there's, um, the, the deepest sleep when you

00:43:18.230 --> 00:43:21.309
go into those really deep REM sleeps, uh, stage

00:43:21.309 --> 00:43:23.469
three and four, those are called Delta waves.

00:43:23.630 --> 00:43:27.289
And this is between 0 .5 Hertz and four Hertz

00:43:27.289 --> 00:43:31.909
0 .5 Hertz means that it's one cycle every two

00:43:31.909 --> 00:43:34.530
seconds, right? That means your brain is only

00:43:34.530 --> 00:43:39.030
cycling 30 times per minute. That's a really,

00:43:39.090 --> 00:43:42.750
really low frequency. And is your brain restoring

00:43:42.750 --> 00:43:45.329
during that time? Is the purpose of this low

00:43:45.329 --> 00:43:48.650
frequency? Yes. God, you're so good. The delta

00:43:48.650 --> 00:43:52.010
waves, it says, are essential for physical healing

00:43:52.010 --> 00:43:57.989
and the immune system functioning. So I'm not

00:43:57.989 --> 00:43:59.309
going to go into all these, but I'm just going

00:43:59.309 --> 00:44:01.849
to say that when I was doing this basic research,

00:44:02.090 --> 00:44:05.679
I was stunned. There's so many really super cool

00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.179
things happen when you balance your body and

00:44:08.179 --> 00:44:10.820
you embrace the sleep. You dive into your sleep

00:44:10.820 --> 00:44:15.739
with appreciation, with gratitude about your

00:44:15.739 --> 00:44:20.820
sleep, healing yourself. Talk about healing.

00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.980
I want to share one thing. We have this, you

00:44:24.980 --> 00:44:27.619
know, when our body, our muscles fire, you know.

00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:29.980
if I'm firing my muscles throughout the day,

00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:33.119
working out on the farm, or you're thinking and

00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:37.059
writing books, whenever you fire a cell and the

00:44:37.059 --> 00:44:40.099
cell does work, it also excretes toxicity. It's

00:44:40.099 --> 00:44:43.099
metabolic waste. It's the equivalent to us pooping

00:44:43.099 --> 00:44:45.199
or peeing. And this is physical and mental exercise.

00:44:45.260 --> 00:44:47.599
All of it. Yeah, in fact, your mental exercise

00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.300
probably is what keeps you trim and slim like

00:44:50.300 --> 00:44:53.699
you are because your brain burns so much energy

00:44:53.699 --> 00:44:56.719
during the course of a day. especially you you're

00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:59.659
always thinking always working and you're burning

00:44:59.659 --> 00:45:03.400
a lot of that energy right but your brain's using

00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:06.599
so much energy it's also producing a lot of metabolic

00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.719
waste because your cells they poo and they pee

00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:13.219
right they excrete stuff well that stuff stays

00:45:13.219 --> 00:45:17.659
in your brain until your brain flushes you know

00:45:17.659 --> 00:45:20.239
when you go to flush your toilet yes So is this

00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:23.000
flushing happening at this frequency, this certain

00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:26.199
frequency? It happens during, from what I understand,

00:45:26.340 --> 00:45:28.719
and I'm not a sleep scientist, but it happens

00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.500
during the third, fourth, and subsequent stages

00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:34.219
of REM sleep. So you have to get in, you've got

00:45:34.219 --> 00:45:36.679
to get past the first couple stages. So those

00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.360
people that don't go into the deep dream state,

00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.000
their brain's probably not flushing. That means

00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.360
all the sewage is staying in their brain. And

00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:48.139
they wake up, they have brain fog. All sorts

00:45:48.139 --> 00:45:51.519
of issues. They wake up tired. Yeah. Golly, they're

00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:52.900
looking at their clock and they're like, holy

00:45:52.900 --> 00:45:55.199
crap, I was in bed eight hours and I still feel

00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.039
like crap. Well, you got to get into that deep

00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.500
sleep so your brain does this flush. Now, your

00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:04.800
body has got what's called a lymphatic system.

00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.579
It's not really a system. It's your entire body's

00:46:08.579 --> 00:46:14.000
ability to flush just by being active, moving

00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.960
your joints, moving your body. It pushes the

00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:20.860
lymphatic fluid up to your upper torso, and it

00:46:20.860 --> 00:46:23.579
gets excreted at nighttime. When you're asleep

00:46:23.579 --> 00:46:26.619
between 10 at night and 3 in the morning, all

00:46:26.619 --> 00:46:31.400
the fluid from your lymph descends from the top

00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.480
of your chest cavity onto the top of your liver.

00:46:33.820 --> 00:46:37.760
Basically, your liver is your primary excretory

00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:41.579
organ. It basically does its job. It's recycle,

00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.639
reuse, all night. Recycle, reuse. Rest, repair,

00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:47.579
recycle, reuse. That's all your liver does for

00:46:47.579 --> 00:46:51.559
you. If you're not getting that deep sleep, then

00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:55.980
the liver can't do all of its work detoxifying.

00:46:56.099 --> 00:46:58.900
Now your entire body gets toxic. So now you've

00:46:58.900 --> 00:47:01.599
got a toxic body. You're not detoxifying your

00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.019
brain. Your lymphatic system is trying to take

00:47:05.019 --> 00:47:06.820
out the trash, take out the trash all the time,

00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.340
but it's starting to pile up. Same thing happens

00:47:09.340 --> 00:47:11.639
in your brain. You've got to get into that deep

00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.639
sleep because... If you're not doing the deep

00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:18.500
sleep, you don't get that flush. Now, your brain

00:47:18.500 --> 00:47:23.980
has its own sanitation system. It's lymphatic,

00:47:24.019 --> 00:47:27.360
but it starts with G. So it's glymphatic. So

00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.639
it's a glymphatic system. And it's the coolest

00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.659
thing. I've seen actually an electron microscope

00:47:32.659 --> 00:47:34.860
of this happening in real time. Oh, my goodness.

00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.119
And I'll try to find it for you. But what happens

00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.440
when you're in that deep sleep, you know when

00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:42.559
you take the handle of the toilet and you flush

00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:47.239
it? it takes maybe some time to flush, and then

00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:49.380
it takes another 30 or 40 seconds to fill back

00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:52.880
up. That's exactly what your brain does. There's

00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.699
this moment in time where your brain flushes,

00:47:55.699 --> 00:47:58.860
so all of the trash, all of the fluids get flushed

00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:01.639
from your brain, from the glymphatic system back

00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:04.659
into your system to be excreted, but then your

00:48:04.659 --> 00:48:12.039
fresh, clean fluid from your... Cerebral spinal

00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:14.300
fluid. So you're going to have cerebral spinal

00:48:14.300 --> 00:48:17.360
fluid that pumps up and refills your brain with

00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.960
this beautiful, fresh... It's fascinating. It's

00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.420
really cool. The design is just... Oh, it's stunning.

00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:26.940
Yeah. So this is not about just, oh, going to

00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:29.699
have good dreams or bad dreams or whatever. This

00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:32.519
is a physiological necessity. I got a call yesterday

00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:36.639
from just this adorable girl. She just moved

00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:41.639
to Claremont a couple months ago. She was one

00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:44.619
of those remote workers for, she had a government

00:48:44.619 --> 00:48:48.500
job. Okay. And she was working away from Idaho.

00:48:48.539 --> 00:48:51.900
She's from Idaho. And she's just absolutely brilliant.

00:48:51.940 --> 00:48:54.639
She's cute. She's adorable. And she's stressed,

00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.639
stressed about everything. She gets so much because

00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:02.159
she was told that she, she moved to Florida and

00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.039
she was working remotely and kicking ass. She

00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.320
was doing a great job. She got a note that she

00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:11.809
had to go back to Idaho for her work. And now

00:49:11.809 --> 00:49:14.369
she's stressed because she loves it here. So

00:49:14.369 --> 00:49:16.349
she's not sleeping and all this stuff. Bottom

00:49:16.349 --> 00:49:19.590
line is, I turned her on to some really clean

00:49:19.590 --> 00:49:21.989
nutrients. I was just going to ask you that.

00:49:22.030 --> 00:49:24.809
Yeah. She called me yesterday. I was actually

00:49:24.809 --> 00:49:27.349
on a Zoom call with her. She's been sleeping

00:49:27.349 --> 00:49:30.409
like crazy all night long. And interestingly,

00:49:31.570 --> 00:49:33.489
it was one of the same stories that Robin told.

00:49:33.809 --> 00:49:36.369
Because if you introduce certain nutrients to

00:49:36.369 --> 00:49:40.039
the people, You also have to talk about stress.

00:49:40.780 --> 00:49:42.760
But you introduce certain nutrients, they go

00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.780
into the sleep a lot easier. They clean their

00:49:45.780 --> 00:49:48.320
brain easier. All of those systems become a lot

00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:52.820
easier. And it begins with M. Well, magnesium

00:49:52.820 --> 00:49:57.019
is one of the components. Melatonin? Yeah. That's

00:49:57.019 --> 00:50:00.019
a good thing to take in order to be able to sleep.

00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.780
And that's something our body produces? Or do

00:50:01.780 --> 00:50:03.239
we need a supplement? Yeah, you're so smart.

00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:06.440
You don't need to supplement it. So melatonin

00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.280
is, you're correct, that's what helps you go

00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.420
into that deep sleep state. But the precursor

00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:16.239
to melatonin is what's called serotonin. Now,

00:50:16.340 --> 00:50:20.900
if you've got a gut issue, if you've got Crohn's

00:50:20.900 --> 00:50:23.340
or IBS or you're taking a bunch of pharmaceuticals

00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:27.719
that jack up your gut, if you have a disrupted

00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:32.539
gut, what happens is, let's just say you're taking

00:50:32.539 --> 00:50:35.960
all these medications or you're stressed, and

00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.800
you're only pooping once or twice a week. And

00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:40.440
I've had those people. I had a lady that she

00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:43.119
was only pooping twice a month, and she was almost

00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.559
dead. I'd be terrified to eat. She was almost

00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:48.539
dead when I found her. She was laying on a couch.

00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:50.800
She couldn't even lift her head. So, you know,

00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.300
we recovered her. She's fine. But basically,

00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:56.199
she was malnourished. She was almost dead because

00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.659
her system was pretty much shut down. She had

00:50:58.659 --> 00:51:00.579
been on medication since she was five years old.

00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.420
Wow. How old was she? She's in her early 50s.

00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:09.699
Wow, that's a long time. Have you got her back

00:51:09.699 --> 00:51:12.980
on the road? Yeah, she's good. She's slipping

00:51:12.980 --> 00:51:14.800
a little bit, but her husband sent me a beautiful

00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.340
note about thank you for giving me my wife back.

00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.579
That's so nice. That's so lovely. The thing is,

00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:23.239
if your gut is disrupted, if your gut is not

00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:27.019
working properly, there's a neurotransmitter

00:51:27.019 --> 00:51:31.179
called serotonin. The serotonin, neuro means

00:51:31.179 --> 00:51:33.460
nerve, transmitter means communicator, right?

00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:38.539
So the serotonin is telling your gut, hey, squeeze

00:51:38.539 --> 00:51:42.579
that poop out. That's its primary job. It's called

00:51:42.579 --> 00:51:51.420
gastrointestinal, which is your gut motility

00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:55.659
or peristalsis. So you really want the gut to...

00:51:57.159 --> 00:51:59.599
You want the gut to function properly so everything

00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:02.579
flows. If it's not flowing, then you get this

00:52:02.579 --> 00:52:06.300
stagnant, toxic stuff building up, and eventually

00:52:06.300 --> 00:52:07.800
you can blow a hole in your gut. It's called

00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.880
a leaky gut. But what should happen is your gut

00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:15.079
squeezes this poop out, and if you ever had a

00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.679
really robust poop and you just feel like a million

00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:20.110
dollars, Babies are great. They have a poop.

00:52:21.130 --> 00:52:24.030
They suck with moms. They suck on the mammary.

00:52:24.170 --> 00:52:25.809
They're like happy, happy, happy. They poop.

00:52:26.170 --> 00:52:28.550
They have this big smile, and they're like, okay,

00:52:28.710 --> 00:52:33.090
change my diaper. I'm out. There's some relief

00:52:33.090 --> 00:52:35.769
in it. There's a relief, but that's the serotonin.

00:52:36.050 --> 00:52:39.809
So when you leave a good dump, I always hate

00:52:39.809 --> 00:52:43.210
people saying take a dump. No, leave it. You

00:52:43.210 --> 00:52:44.590
want to leave the dump. You do leave it. You

00:52:44.590 --> 00:52:48.190
don't take it. But when you leave a good dump,

00:52:48.590 --> 00:52:50.750
that serotonin enters your circulation and gives

00:52:50.750 --> 00:52:53.889
you a good feeling. Well, that's just the serotonin

00:52:53.889 --> 00:52:56.750
from your gut. Right. S1 configuration going

00:52:56.750 --> 00:53:01.170
to your brain into an S2 configuration and sitting

00:53:01.170 --> 00:53:05.590
there as a precondition of your synthesis of

00:53:05.590 --> 00:53:09.510
melatonin. So you want your gut to work properly

00:53:09.510 --> 00:53:11.730
so you can sleep at night. I know it doesn't

00:53:11.730 --> 00:53:14.369
make sense to us, but that's just how it works

00:53:14.369 --> 00:53:16.860
with the neurotransmitters. So it's really important

00:53:16.860 --> 00:53:18.639
you take care of your... So gut health is vital.

00:53:19.059 --> 00:53:22.639
Gut health. Yeah. Absolutely. So you talked briefly

00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:25.599
about controlling your dreams. Lucid dreaming.

00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:27.280
Lucid dreaming. That was the only time that I

00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.199
had. I'd like to... Have you played with it at

00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.380
all? Yeah, well, I've tried to program myself

00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:34.760
going into a dream. Okay, I want to wake up and

00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:36.739
I want to be able to direct it, but I haven't

00:53:36.739 --> 00:53:39.539
managed it yet. But I'm working on it. How long

00:53:39.539 --> 00:53:40.739
have you been doing it? How long have you been

00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:43.460
trying? Since I had this lucid dream. And I don't

00:53:43.460 --> 00:53:45.400
know how long that was, probably 18 months ago.

00:53:45.449 --> 00:53:47.949
maybe two years ago that was the only time it

00:53:47.949 --> 00:53:49.949
happened but it happened under duress i was about

00:53:49.949 --> 00:53:53.429
to be absolutely brutalized by this guy so that's

00:53:53.429 --> 00:53:56.269
how and then i in my mind it was change the thoughts

00:53:56.269 --> 00:53:59.070
but i don't have necessary i have weird dreams

00:53:59.070 --> 00:54:03.250
but not necessarily bad dreams so i'm not looking

00:54:03.250 --> 00:54:06.190
to change an outcome in a dream necessarily so

00:54:06.190 --> 00:54:07.949
maybe that has something to do with it i'm not

00:54:07.949 --> 00:54:10.010
being attacked by zombies or anything so in your

00:54:10.010 --> 00:54:13.650
opinion what do you do you personally get value

00:54:13.650 --> 00:54:17.690
from your dreams No, well, I don't. I think I

00:54:17.690 --> 00:54:20.309
do. I'm quite certain I do, but on a level that

00:54:20.309 --> 00:54:22.710
I don't understand. But my dreams, I mean, the

00:54:22.710 --> 00:54:24.710
laws of physics are not there. There's no rhyme

00:54:24.710 --> 00:54:26.949
or reason. There's no context. There's scene

00:54:26.949 --> 00:54:32.190
changes. So no, on my superficial level. But

00:54:32.190 --> 00:54:35.090
I have faith that something is getting well organized

00:54:35.090 --> 00:54:38.530
in my dreams. So I'm grateful for them. But I

00:54:38.530 --> 00:54:41.090
don't know what it is that I'm getting. But I

00:54:41.090 --> 00:54:44.230
have faith that we have a creator. who designed

00:54:44.230 --> 00:54:46.230
this entire system that we're in, the higher

00:54:46.230 --> 00:54:48.510
order of intelligences, and there is something

00:54:48.510 --> 00:54:50.329
good going on. But I haven't worked out what

00:54:50.329 --> 00:54:53.309
the fuck's going on. Well, let me ask you this.

00:54:53.510 --> 00:54:55.570
Have you ever tried to put your... Like, you've

00:54:55.570 --> 00:54:57.449
said that you've listened to different things

00:54:57.449 --> 00:54:58.909
on your ears. You've listened to things and stuff.

00:54:59.550 --> 00:55:03.349
Yes, I listen to podcasts, and then that podcast

00:55:03.349 --> 00:55:07.889
becomes a member of the cast in my dream. So

00:55:07.889 --> 00:55:10.889
I've incorporated this reality into a dream.

00:55:11.260 --> 00:55:13.440
I've done that. So you've done that with a podcast.

00:55:13.579 --> 00:55:16.199
Yes. Do you think you could do it with your own

00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:23.880
consciousness? I'm hoping to. But I haven't made

00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:26.519
any strides to being successful in that. Because

00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.260
if you're listening to a podcast, you're basically

00:55:28.260 --> 00:55:30.199
taking somebody else's consciousness. And then

00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:32.980
he's coming into my dream and sitting at a restaurant

00:55:32.980 --> 00:55:35.719
talking to me and what he's saying is what. So

00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.920
I'm merging two realities. So your question is,

00:55:38.980 --> 00:55:41.800
can I do that with my own consciousness? Right.

00:55:41.860 --> 00:55:44.000
Can you make yourself that other person? Yeah,

00:55:44.019 --> 00:55:45.440
well, that's a good question, isn't it? Even

00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.980
if it's your future self. like just i wonder

00:55:48.980 --> 00:55:51.639
if i record myself and then listen to myself

00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.880
some people do that and then incorporate because

00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:55.519
it's happening with other people you've been

00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:58.639
in a dream talking to me oh cool yeah so if i

00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:02.380
record myself maybe and i could experiment with

00:56:02.380 --> 00:56:04.280
that that sounds well sarah some people do that

00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:08.119
some people actually do that um a lot of i've

00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:10.119
heard it mostly with respect to affirmations

00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:13.920
so like the way it would deploy like if somebody

00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:18.650
was um You always want the affirmations to be

00:56:18.650 --> 00:56:21.230
affirmative. So you don't want the negative part.

00:56:21.329 --> 00:56:23.809
You want the positive part. And they almost always

00:56:23.809 --> 00:56:27.469
start with I am. And it's especially effective

00:56:27.469 --> 00:56:32.190
if it's in your own voice. I am this, this, this.

00:56:33.030 --> 00:56:35.269
And it doesn't even have to be like a physical

00:56:35.269 --> 00:56:36.849
self because you're entering your dream state.

00:56:37.590 --> 00:56:39.690
Say you wanted to just be more confident speaking

00:56:39.690 --> 00:56:42.590
in front of people. Or you wanted to be a better

00:56:42.590 --> 00:56:46.289
singer. You could literally... do these affirmations

00:56:46.289 --> 00:56:49.989
throughout your sleep. Now, I've never done this.

00:56:50.070 --> 00:56:52.269
Maybe there's some listeners who have done this,

00:56:52.369 --> 00:56:56.030
but I've never done it. I prefer to set the things

00:56:56.030 --> 00:56:59.409
in motion and then surrender it to the divine.

00:56:59.610 --> 00:57:02.530
But I don't do that without putting guardrails

00:57:02.530 --> 00:57:07.489
in place. So I used to, you know, 15 years ago,

00:57:07.530 --> 00:57:11.170
I used to just... go into this dream state and

00:57:11.170 --> 00:57:13.789
just try to give direction i'd i'd try to guide

00:57:13.789 --> 00:57:17.170
my dreams before i go in and it didn't work i

00:57:17.170 --> 00:57:20.750
find the best time to guide the dreams is right

00:57:20.750 --> 00:57:23.929
prior to you sliding into them because otherwise

00:57:23.929 --> 00:57:26.469
you have a bunch of monkey brain right activity

00:57:26.469 --> 00:57:28.409
all the activities from the day i didn't balance

00:57:28.409 --> 00:57:31.150
the checkbook or the kids got it was in a fender

00:57:31.150 --> 00:57:33.550
bender or whatever there's all of this strange

00:57:33.550 --> 00:57:36.289
stuff so you have to kind of get into that really

00:57:36.289 --> 00:57:39.599
that alpha wave And just get right prior to sliding

00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.079
in. And that's where the programming comes in.

00:57:43.300 --> 00:57:45.199
Yeah, because that's where you're suggestive.

00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:48.300
And keep it very simple and very point. So do

00:57:48.300 --> 00:57:51.199
you say to yourself, I want to fly tonight? Can

00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:53.219
you be that direct? In fact, that's funny because

00:57:53.219 --> 00:57:55.440
I've done that. And you've actually ended up

00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:58.500
flying as a result of asking that of yourself.

00:57:58.619 --> 00:58:00.659
Absolutely. That's great, isn't it? I've got

00:58:00.659 --> 00:58:03.159
more flying dreams. But here's the thing. This

00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.719
is fascinating. And this dovetails with a lot

00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:09.179
of your spiritual laws, the alchemy laws. It's

00:58:09.179 --> 00:58:11.260
not about... This is where I went wrong. I'm

00:58:11.260 --> 00:58:12.519
just going to tell everyone, if you're going

00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:15.139
to try to do this, I'm going to save you a lot

00:58:15.139 --> 00:58:16.619
of... It's a cautionary tale. I'm going to save

00:58:16.619 --> 00:58:20.260
you lots and lots and lots of years. Because

00:58:20.260 --> 00:58:22.800
it took me years to figure this out. It's not

00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.940
about you. speaking things to yourself in a linear

00:58:25.940 --> 00:58:29.699
manner. That can work, but if you really want

00:58:29.699 --> 00:58:32.800
to get into it, you want to immerse yourself

00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:36.480
into the dream. So as an example, instead of

00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:38.539
me saying, tonight I want to fly an airplane

00:58:38.539 --> 00:58:40.380
that I've never flown before. It's not even been

00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:43.679
invented yet. Well, that's a pretty cerebral

00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.019
entry to a dream. Those are not very effective.

00:58:47.699 --> 00:58:52.460
What I try to do is I immerse myself into a scenario.

00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:57.719
where maybe I'm in Area 51, if it exists, or

00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:02.980
I'm in Skunk Works, or I'm in some Boeing future

00:59:02.980 --> 00:59:06.079
planning or McDonnell Douglas future planning,

00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.340
and I'm with the engineers and we're having this

00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:11.559
discussion, and I'm kind of setting the stage.

00:59:12.460 --> 00:59:14.619
Not only am I there, but I'm feeling. You're

00:59:14.619 --> 00:59:16.920
setting a scene. I'm setting a scene. Yes, you're

00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:18.820
not giving yourself direction, but you're using

00:59:18.820 --> 00:59:22.099
your imagination. Yes. It's way easier to get

00:59:22.099 --> 00:59:25.579
into the sleep, the sceneries that you want when

00:59:25.579 --> 00:59:29.179
you set the stage. What am I feeling? Is it sunny

00:59:29.179 --> 00:59:32.519
or cloudy? Is it rainy? Am I hot or cold? Yeah.

00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:36.000
Am I hungry? Yeah. Did I eat? What did I eat?

00:59:36.809 --> 00:59:39.590
The more real you can make it, who am I with?

00:59:39.750 --> 00:59:42.190
Do I like that person or hate that person? Is

00:59:42.190 --> 00:59:44.949
this somebody that's guiding me, right? Is this

00:59:44.949 --> 00:59:48.210
a mentor? The more you can complete the picture

00:59:48.210 --> 00:59:51.110
and the feeling that you're actually there, the

00:59:51.110 --> 00:59:52.909
easier it's going to be to slide into those states.

00:59:53.579 --> 00:59:58.400
I have this process where I'm on a pathway and

00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.739
I do this a lot and I have beautiful trees. It's

01:00:00.739 --> 01:00:03.219
kind of like a paradise, this pathway. And I

01:00:03.219 --> 01:00:05.099
see all the trees and I notice the birds and

01:00:05.099 --> 01:00:08.199
I'm very present. And I can actually see the

01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:10.920
transition from this just being my imagination

01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:15.300
into the full imagery of a dream. And I can see

01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:19.800
this dream closing in on me and then I'm sucked

01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:22.409
into it. I think it's beautiful. Yeah. And I've

01:00:22.409 --> 01:00:24.670
done that a lot. That's very nice. If I can focus

01:00:24.670 --> 01:00:26.789
my attention sufficiently, that's a great way

01:00:26.789 --> 01:00:28.590
because I can be asleep very quickly. That is

01:00:28.590 --> 01:00:30.769
so beautiful. And that's really one of the secrets

01:00:30.769 --> 01:00:32.889
to getting all these people that are like looking

01:00:32.889 --> 01:00:34.750
at their alarm clock. It's like, damn it. I've

01:00:34.750 --> 01:00:37.449
been laying here since 1030. Dr. Phillips said

01:00:37.449 --> 01:00:39.929
be in bed at 10. I was in bed at 10 and it's

01:00:39.929 --> 01:00:43.510
1115. I'm still awake. This is where you exercise

01:00:43.510 --> 01:00:45.170
this. Well, you've got to focus your attention.

01:00:45.289 --> 01:00:48.150
Your attention. Well, that has to happen first.

01:00:48.250 --> 01:00:50.289
But also your imagination. Well, that comes after.

01:00:50.329 --> 01:00:52.190
And you focus your attention. Yes. That's monkey

01:00:52.190 --> 01:00:55.570
mode. And now you can build this image like you're

01:00:55.570 --> 01:00:57.449
at the skunk works. Yeah. And you can start building

01:00:57.449 --> 01:01:00.030
that. But that takes focus. Yes, you're right.

01:01:00.389 --> 01:01:02.250
And then if you're going to bed because you're

01:01:02.250 --> 01:01:04.630
tired, your focus might be off anyway because

01:01:04.630 --> 01:01:07.050
you're bloody tired. So it's harder. So it's

01:01:07.050 --> 01:01:08.570
harder, but it's worth it. Oh, it is worth it.

01:01:08.570 --> 01:01:10.349
Because when you're, remember, when you're tired,

01:01:10.530 --> 01:01:12.960
you're more in focus. influential so instead

01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.679
of trying to shut the monkeys down train the

01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:19.599
monkeys train them it's like okay that's why

01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:21.920
you want every detail because you're taking these

01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:23.619
screaming monkeys you're getting their attention

01:01:23.619 --> 01:01:26.820
and focusing them on every detail yeah are there

01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:30.440
birds you'd make a good writer Having this eye

01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:32.960
for detail is very, very important. It's too

01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:36.519
much like work. So you can program a dream, you

01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.059
give it all the detail, and then you're in that

01:01:39.059 --> 01:01:41.260
dream. And then if you remember it, you'll know

01:01:41.260 --> 01:01:43.860
that your programming was successful. Well, you

01:01:43.860 --> 01:01:47.179
can only really program the entry point. Until

01:01:47.179 --> 01:01:51.360
about five years ago, I knew about lucid dreaming,

01:01:51.500 --> 01:01:55.199
but I really never... I never really conquered

01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:58.699
it. Even now it's not conquering it. It's learning

01:01:58.699 --> 01:02:01.920
to use it as a tool. I know how to use it as

01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.079
a tool, but I'm not nearly as good as I'm about

01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:07.420
to be, right? And what I mean about lucidity,

01:02:07.539 --> 01:02:11.480
we talked about sliding into the sleep and how

01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:14.900
you can give it the initial impetus. Yes. And

01:02:14.900 --> 01:02:16.639
you can kind of guide your dreams, but you really

01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:20.219
can't control them. Now, all of us have had these

01:02:20.219 --> 01:02:24.659
places where We've been stirred. Maybe the coffee

01:02:24.659 --> 01:02:29.760
maker beeps or somebody slams the door. We call

01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:32.940
it the dumbass because we have a donkey. When

01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:35.659
the wind's blowing from the northeast, this donkey

01:02:35.659 --> 01:02:37.360
at freaking three in the morning. Oh, that's

01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:39.699
funny. And we hear it going, you're doing this

01:02:39.699 --> 01:02:43.000
donkey thing. We call it dumbass. But something

01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.079
stirs you, but you're not fully awake. Yeah.

01:02:46.420 --> 01:02:48.539
You're still peaceful. You're safe. You're not

01:02:48.539 --> 01:02:52.420
threatened. You wake up a little bit. If you

01:02:52.420 --> 01:02:55.880
can just use that opportunity. Don't come to

01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:58.800
the surface. Yes, don't surface. Stay right there.

01:02:59.059 --> 01:03:02.300
You can get back in your dream. No, not even

01:03:02.300 --> 01:03:04.920
get back in. Like you can literally, that's the

01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:07.579
only time I've been able. It's called lucid dreaming.

01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:11.199
So if you're flying an airplane, you're actually

01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:14.420
flying the airplane. You can actually take control

01:03:14.420 --> 01:03:18.460
and you're actually in your plane. You're controlling

01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:21.739
it. If you want to be someplace, you can make

01:03:21.739 --> 01:03:23.940
the plane go there just by thinking about it.

01:03:25.819 --> 01:03:27.760
It's not about surrendering back to the dream

01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:29.559
state. I've done that, though. If you want to,

01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:31.780
yeah. I've been at that point where I can hear

01:03:31.780 --> 01:03:36.559
something in my everyday reality, and I haven't

01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:39.019
surfaced because I've stayed where I was, and

01:03:39.019 --> 01:03:42.920
then I've chosen to go back in a dream. Yeah.

01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.480
So that's good. And that's cool because I've

01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:46.619
had those dreams. Because I liked the dream.

01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:48.599
Yes. It was a really exciting dream. Exactly.

01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.099
And I've had those where you want to go back.

01:03:50.139 --> 01:03:51.460
It's like, oh, I've got to pick up where I left

01:03:51.460 --> 01:03:53.579
off. But then you're thinking about going back

01:03:53.579 --> 01:03:55.670
to where you left off. That's a kiss of death.

01:03:55.789 --> 01:03:59.230
Those suck. Thinking too much then. But if you

01:03:59.230 --> 01:04:02.309
like the idea of lucid dreaming, this is most

01:04:02.309 --> 01:04:06.489
effective if you've pre -thought the entry. So

01:04:06.489 --> 01:04:10.389
maybe noon the day before, if I have an opportunity

01:04:10.389 --> 01:04:12.369
to wake up a little bit, maybe you're fluffing

01:04:12.369 --> 01:04:15.429
your pillow, something like that, where you're

01:04:15.429 --> 01:04:18.469
a little bit awake, you want to just gently insert

01:04:18.469 --> 01:04:23.650
your desired dream state. You don't want to synthesize

01:04:23.650 --> 01:04:25.849
it right then because then you have your cognitive

01:04:25.849 --> 01:04:30.230
self. You're fired up, your cognitive self. You

01:04:30.230 --> 01:04:33.130
want to just leave it on the shelf. It's on the

01:04:33.130 --> 01:04:36.210
nightstand. You're awake a little bit. You just

01:04:36.210 --> 01:04:38.010
reach that little dream that you wanted. You

01:04:38.010 --> 01:04:41.570
insert it and you go back. And that's, it's a

01:04:41.570 --> 01:04:43.530
suggestion more than a direction. Right. And

01:04:43.530 --> 01:04:45.809
you can do that throughout the day. Yep. Yeah.

01:04:45.909 --> 01:04:48.630
So this is useful if you want to solve a problem.

01:04:48.750 --> 01:04:50.630
I know there's a lot of people that throughout.

01:04:51.099 --> 01:04:53.980
throughout traditions that have used what we

01:04:53.980 --> 01:04:57.260
just talked about for... I think that we probably

01:04:57.260 --> 01:04:59.239
do solve problems, but I just don't know whether

01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:01.539
our conscious mind understands the problems we

01:05:01.539 --> 01:05:03.400
have solved. But I have faith that we are doing

01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:05.679
something useful. Well, there's different cultures

01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:09.820
that have used these dream states just for some

01:05:09.820 --> 01:05:14.699
very significant purposes. I actually downloaded

01:05:14.699 --> 01:05:18.400
a few of these. This is interesting. I just wanted

01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:20.519
to find out what different cultures... what they

01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:23.019
did for sleep and such. Some of this stuff is

01:05:23.019 --> 01:05:27.340
going to really make you laugh. In Japan, the

01:05:27.340 --> 01:05:30.900
Japanese, if you fall asleep on the subway, they

01:05:30.900 --> 01:05:32.619
actually look at that as something honorable.

01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.239
Oh, really? Yeah, because they're saying, gosh,

01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:38.079
this person is comfortable enough. No, I thought

01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:41.699
that too. No, gosh. Well, they put so much value

01:05:41.699 --> 01:05:44.619
on being a hard worker. They're like, this person's

01:05:44.619 --> 01:05:46.480
clearly a hard worker. Look at them. Look at

01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:48.280
how deeply they're sleeping. They're slobbering

01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.619
on everybody, right? But they honor that. I thought

01:05:51.619 --> 01:05:54.820
that was hilarious. Another one is the Spanish

01:05:54.820 --> 01:05:58.400
siestas. You know, they take a nap, an afternoon

01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:00.440
nap. That's to do with the heat, isn't it? Yeah,

01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.199
that has to do with a little bit of the heat.

01:06:02.579 --> 01:06:07.090
That was mostly in the sun. on the farms. Yes.

01:06:07.269 --> 01:06:09.329
But now that there's urban areas, they don't

01:06:09.329 --> 01:06:11.309
do siestas as often. I bet if you went through

01:06:11.309 --> 01:06:13.510
rural Spain though, everyone would be asleep.

01:06:13.610 --> 01:06:15.690
All their shutters would be closed. And I still

01:06:15.690 --> 01:06:18.190
believe that's changed in hundreds of years.

01:06:18.289 --> 01:06:20.389
Yes. That's actually the case. Yeah. It's actually

01:06:20.389 --> 01:06:22.590
almost a, it's almost like a lifestyle where

01:06:22.590 --> 01:06:25.269
you just do your little siesta. Now sometimes,

01:06:25.349 --> 01:06:28.849
you know, Robin and I, our, our days are busy

01:06:28.849 --> 01:06:30.909
and I know you nap sometimes. Yeah. I can't nap

01:06:30.909 --> 01:06:33.460
every day. But. Even if it's just 10 minutes.

01:06:33.699 --> 01:06:35.400
That's all you need. That's just like a little.

01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:37.460
Yeah. Oh, it is. It's revitalizing. It's just

01:06:37.460 --> 01:06:39.480
a little bit of a. Well, we're not sure where

01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:41.760
we go. We're going into, I think, some other

01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:43.880
dimensions. We don't know what's being restored

01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:46.440
in our mind there. But I know if I have a five,

01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:49.309
even five minutes, it's great. I don't want too

01:06:49.309 --> 01:06:51.210
long, actually. I wouldn't want an hour. Yeah,

01:06:51.269 --> 01:06:54.190
I told Rob, she'll say, I don't want to go to

01:06:54.190 --> 01:06:56.130
bed yet. I'm so tired. And I was just, go take

01:06:56.130 --> 01:06:58.949
five, ten minutes. Just five, yeah. And I can

01:06:58.949 --> 01:07:00.829
program that. I can say to myself, you're having

01:07:00.829 --> 01:07:02.610
a five -minute nap, and I'm generally pretty

01:07:02.610 --> 01:07:05.150
good about that. Yeah, so the different cultures,

01:07:05.289 --> 01:07:10.329
the Koreans, I'm just looking this over. It says,

01:07:10.329 --> 01:07:15.710
in the Chinese, they have heated platforms made

01:07:15.710 --> 01:07:18.880
of brick. or clay, and they serve for both sleeping

01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:22.699
areas and daytime living spaces. So if they fall

01:07:22.699 --> 01:07:26.519
asleep, it's great. They use that in that manner.

01:07:26.820 --> 01:07:29.900
The South Koreans do something similar, but they

01:07:29.900 --> 01:07:31.940
use it for overall health, for spine alignment.

01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:35.380
So there's different people use these ideas,

01:07:35.500 --> 01:07:39.639
not necessarily for nap, but also for rest, to

01:07:39.639 --> 01:07:42.860
realign your body. to give yourself even a play

01:07:42.860 --> 01:07:45.239
surface. So I thought that was interesting. And

01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:47.619
then I like this one the best, like the indigenous

01:07:47.619 --> 01:07:56.119
Australians. They refer to dreaming as a deliberate

01:07:56.119 --> 01:08:00.360
connection with spiritual experiences, ancestral

01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:03.460
connections, and even the creation of stories

01:08:03.460 --> 01:08:08.059
about the world. So I know my grandparents, my

01:08:08.059 --> 01:08:12.440
mom's mom. Was Mystics. And they were big into

01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:14.960
sleep. Have you ever had people like interpret

01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:17.100
dreams and all this stuff? Yeah. I have a friend

01:08:17.100 --> 01:08:18.699
who's pretty good at doing that. How are they?

01:08:18.739 --> 01:08:20.800
Because I've listened to people try to interpret.

01:08:21.020 --> 01:08:22.899
I'm quite good at interpreting other people's

01:08:22.899 --> 01:08:24.359
dreams. Really? I have a harder time with my

01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:26.920
own. That's fascinating because Robin can sometimes

01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.640
tell me about my dreams. If I explain, she'll

01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:31.020
say, well, that's because, you know, you ran

01:08:31.020 --> 01:08:33.640
over that coffee can. I'm like, I didn't even

01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.539
think about that, but it's correct. That was

01:08:36.539 --> 01:08:39.100
the connection. Maybe you have to be outside

01:08:39.100 --> 01:08:41.720
of yourself to have somebody. Maybe. Have some

01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:45.119
objective. Huh. Rather than being subjective.

01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:48.039
Yeah, I do. Disasterly interpreting mine. But

01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:49.619
I can tell my friend and she'll kind of just

01:08:49.619 --> 01:08:51.380
lay it out. This is what you're feeling. Wow.

01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.079
More to do with feeling than the situation. What

01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:56.199
do you think about these people that say, oh,

01:08:56.380 --> 01:09:00.079
well, you dreamed about an owl. Therefore. You're

01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:01.699
going to have a brother that dies or something.

01:09:01.819 --> 01:09:05.020
I think there's weird stuff. If you see animals

01:09:05.020 --> 01:09:07.140
during the day and then you Google this, I saw

01:09:07.140 --> 01:09:09.619
an owl or I saw a donkey or whatever, there is

01:09:09.619 --> 01:09:11.939
some spiritual meaning which is kind of cohesive.

01:09:12.020 --> 01:09:14.859
A lot of people think the same thing, that an

01:09:14.859 --> 01:09:17.640
owl is to do with wisdom. Before I went to my

01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:19.319
lake house, I had an owl that was visiting for

01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:21.920
three weeks every night. And my friend said,

01:09:22.020 --> 01:09:23.520
OK, it means this, this and this. And she was

01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:24.939
right. Then I Googled it. I was like, oh, wow,

01:09:25.100 --> 01:09:27.439
this is what it means. But we don't know whether

01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:29.920
it means that. But whatever we assign. We assign

01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:32.739
a meaning to that. So this owl is giving me wisdom.

01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:36.939
That's really cool. In my dreams, it's just a

01:09:36.939 --> 01:09:40.399
crapshoot for me. But if you were to tell me

01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:42.460
a dream, I'd give you a good stab at it. Next

01:09:42.460 --> 01:09:44.000
time you have an interesting dream, tell me,

01:09:44.060 --> 01:09:46.560
and I'll see if I can analyze it. I don't think

01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:50.100
you'd want to know. Because Robin, she puts her

01:09:50.100 --> 01:09:51.439
hand up, and she's like, let me get some coffee

01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:59.119
first. Well, this has been fascinating. The one

01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:01.000
thing we didn't really dive into too much was

01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:04.079
this, we touched on it, but the other dimensions.

01:10:04.460 --> 01:10:07.699
Do you really think that this is, are we in reality

01:10:07.699 --> 01:10:10.159
here or is there a different reality? No, I think

01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:15.409
that we come from much. broader reality. And

01:10:15.409 --> 01:10:18.029
this is very, very dense. And this to me is like

01:10:18.029 --> 01:10:21.750
a computer simulation. I don't know this. This

01:10:21.750 --> 01:10:24.050
is the belief system that I have given myself

01:10:24.050 --> 01:10:26.789
so I can orient myself in this world. But I feel

01:10:26.789 --> 01:10:28.909
from everything that I've understood intellectually

01:10:28.909 --> 01:10:32.229
and spiritually, that this is just some type

01:10:32.229 --> 01:10:35.649
of school that we visit. It's just a school and

01:10:35.649 --> 01:10:37.369
we're here to learn, but it doesn't represent

01:10:37.369 --> 01:10:40.569
ultimate reality. That actually resonates with

01:10:40.569 --> 01:10:42.770
me a lot, what you just shared. A training ground.

01:10:42.810 --> 01:10:45.010
It's like almost like an academy or training

01:10:45.010 --> 01:10:48.810
ground. But to me, it's like I used to box when

01:10:48.810 --> 01:10:52.489
I was in college at box. But then as a senior,

01:10:52.569 --> 01:10:56.329
I was the manager. So I had boxers that I was

01:10:56.329 --> 01:11:00.229
training to box. And it's almost like, you know,

01:11:00.250 --> 01:11:02.329
they go in, they fight around, and then they

01:11:02.329 --> 01:11:06.329
come back to the ropes. And then the manager

01:11:06.329 --> 01:11:09.560
says, okay, look. They're working you clockwise.

01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:12.680
You need to work into their jab. You're actually

01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:16.420
talking them through what's going on in the ring,

01:11:16.539 --> 01:11:21.380
and then ding, fight again, right? So I feel

01:11:21.380 --> 01:11:23.899
that sometimes, and that's maybe a stupid analogy,

01:11:24.020 --> 01:11:28.260
but it's almost like we're here in this deep

01:11:28.260 --> 01:11:31.720
density, this earth space. We're experiencing,

01:11:31.819 --> 01:11:34.159
you know, the stupid neighbor, the guy that cut

01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:38.850
me off and took off my fender. Somebody stole

01:11:38.850 --> 01:11:41.810
my cell phone. Yeah, somebody stole my cell phone.

01:11:41.850 --> 01:11:46.050
All of this stuff. And then we have to go, ding,

01:11:46.149 --> 01:11:49.369
rounds over, go to sleep. And then we have this,

01:11:49.470 --> 01:11:53.189
we go out of this dimension and try to figure

01:11:53.189 --> 01:11:55.729
it all out. Like maybe this is our chance to

01:11:55.729 --> 01:11:59.510
go meet our future self, meet our ancestors,

01:11:59.850 --> 01:12:03.420
meet. Our departed loved ones. Yeah, our spiritual

01:12:03.420 --> 01:12:07.300
guides, the gods, the goddesses, whoever. Maybe

01:12:07.300 --> 01:12:09.640
our past lives. Maybe we had this situation before

01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:12.420
and I can go and say, okay, look, I don't want

01:12:12.420 --> 01:12:15.100
to keep relearning this lesson, but this guy

01:12:15.100 --> 01:12:17.520
pisses me off. How do I deal with it? And then

01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:19.520
your dream state says, look, just forgive them.

01:12:19.859 --> 01:12:21.359
Like they're going through stuff that you don't

01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:23.220
even know about. Just forgive them and get on

01:12:23.220 --> 01:12:27.100
with the program. Ding, next round. You wake

01:12:27.100 --> 01:12:30.500
up and it's like, oh, okay. So I think... Maybe

01:12:30.500 --> 01:12:33.119
there's some answers we do get from dreams. But

01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:35.359
we don't really remember our dreams with any

01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:38.380
great clarity so that whatever the answer is,

01:12:38.579 --> 01:12:42.420
is useful in our subconscious mind, not perhaps

01:12:42.420 --> 01:12:44.640
our everyday mind. I think that's a good insight

01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:49.319
because it's not the cognitive, it's the experience.

01:12:50.020 --> 01:12:53.460
Because, I mean, I can explain to you all day

01:12:53.460 --> 01:12:59.020
exactly what it's like to jump in warm spring

01:12:59.020 --> 01:13:02.640
water. volcanic warm spring water. I can explain

01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:05.859
it to the detail, but until you actually immerse

01:13:05.859 --> 01:13:08.880
yourself and feel it and experience it, then

01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:12.539
it's nothing. I think that the dream state, and

01:13:12.539 --> 01:13:15.779
this is, I think, you know, I'm a mystic. I'm

01:13:15.779 --> 01:13:19.619
a mystic who thinks. You're a thinker who's got

01:13:19.619 --> 01:13:22.500
some mysticism. Yeah, I think I'm a hybrid of

01:13:22.500 --> 01:13:25.460
those two. Yeah, you're biased more towards thinking.

01:13:25.539 --> 01:13:28.000
I'm biased a little bit more towards feeling.

01:13:30.080 --> 01:13:32.199
Maybe that's not a fair comparison, but I'm just

01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:34.600
saying that I tend to see things more from an

01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:40.600
empathetic or a mystical point of view, an esoteric

01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:44.939
view. You're a very powerful thinker, so your

01:13:44.939 --> 01:13:46.760
interpretations of your dreams are going to be

01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:50.100
very in your brain. You're going to wake up and

01:13:50.100 --> 01:13:53.460
try to make sense of them. I don't make sense

01:13:53.460 --> 01:13:56.770
of them. I'm grateful for the experience. Yeah,

01:13:56.770 --> 01:13:59.550
I don't even fret about it, though. I just have

01:13:59.550 --> 01:14:02.550
faith that something good occurred there. I have

01:14:02.550 --> 01:14:04.930
faith that whoever created this system did a

01:14:04.930 --> 01:14:07.430
really good job, that it's not some botched experiment,

01:14:07.710 --> 01:14:10.510
and I'm doing fine. There's other things that

01:14:10.510 --> 01:14:12.949
I would probably rather think about than trying

01:14:12.949 --> 01:14:15.569
to analyze a dream. Although that incident I

01:14:15.569 --> 01:14:17.369
had two nights ago when I dreamed about my dog

01:14:17.369 --> 01:14:21.010
being hit by a truck, that I chose to interpret

01:14:21.010 --> 01:14:23.270
as a forewarning, get her in the house before

01:14:23.270 --> 01:14:25.930
the trucks arrived. Yes, beautiful. So that was

01:14:25.930 --> 01:14:30.729
maybe some utility in that. But I do trust that

01:14:30.729 --> 01:14:33.090
they are profound. We're all doing it. We're

01:14:33.090 --> 01:14:36.590
all going somewhere. And I seal it with faith.

01:14:36.930 --> 01:14:39.170
Do you know there's people who actually, when

01:14:39.170 --> 01:14:43.310
we look at the frequencies of our life, the Gaia

01:14:43.310 --> 01:14:46.109
frequency, there's some people who believe that

01:14:46.109 --> 01:14:49.909
we are in and out of consciousness. Right now,

01:14:50.029 --> 01:14:52.170
like since you and I have been talking, we're

01:14:52.170 --> 01:14:55.380
in and out of this dimension. Eight times per

01:14:55.380 --> 01:14:58.699
second. It's synchronized with Gaia. I don't

01:14:58.699 --> 01:15:00.619
know. I don't know either. But it seems to me

01:15:00.619 --> 01:15:06.979
like we're almost, our true state is one of the

01:15:06.979 --> 01:15:10.899
subconscious. That's our true state. And then

01:15:10.899 --> 01:15:13.420
we have this. the state this this that we're

01:15:13.420 --> 01:15:16.000
in now this synthetic state where we're so -called

01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:19.260
awake but this is this is this is the fake i

01:15:19.260 --> 01:15:21.880
always i think i put it in my one of my books

01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.760
um we're more dead now than we'll ever be this

01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:27.380
is this is as dead as we'll ever be wow so we're

01:15:27.380 --> 01:15:30.300
not going to die but this is a dense environment

01:15:30.300 --> 01:15:33.560
a training ground for us to become more than

01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:36.800
we were but i i absolutely i'm certain in a way

01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:40.199
which is weird but whatever is going on elsewhere

01:15:41.250 --> 01:15:45.050
is our real reality that this is just so this

01:15:45.050 --> 01:15:48.069
is a fascinating way to wrap this up what you

01:15:48.069 --> 01:15:52.470
just described was what we started with this

01:15:52.470 --> 01:15:54.789
is basically we're living like a prisoner war

01:15:54.789 --> 01:15:58.130
camp where where we're here we have this this

01:15:58.130 --> 01:16:00.289
is something pretty austere environment yeah

01:16:00.289 --> 01:16:03.010
well for you and i we i we're doing pretty well

01:16:03.010 --> 01:16:04.810
because a lot of people on this planet their

01:16:04.810 --> 01:16:07.510
life is miserable right now absolutely awful

01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:09.960
But is it any less a training ground for them

01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:11.640
than it is for us? We don't know what's going

01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:13.899
on in there. I mean, I trust that it's all going

01:16:13.899 --> 01:16:16.380
on with absolute precision and for a reason.

01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:18.199
And I've kind of blessed the mess in that way,

01:16:18.260 --> 01:16:21.640
but I have no idea. Great. Wrap us up. Closing

01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:23.699
thoughts. Oh, I'm done. I'm ready for a nap.

01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:27.319
You're ready for a nap. Hey, y 'all. We don't

01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:28.560
have the answers. We just thought we'd have a

01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:29.979
good conversation. It's been good while I've

01:16:29.979 --> 01:16:32.100
enjoyed it. Yeah. I hope you have a great week.

01:16:32.100 --> 01:16:33.819
Thanks a lot for stopping by the studio today.

01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:50.600
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