1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,000 The following Earth Angel media presentation is brought to you commercial free as a gratuity from the sponsor producer named after the show. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Please consider their message. Find other high value shows listed at earthangelproject.com. Enjoy the show. 3 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Welcome to Soul Decodes. Join us as we wander off the path to find the ideas that fascinate. 4 00:00:43,000 --> 00:01:02,000 We talk about spirituality, the mind, the ego, wellness and hidden history with tips, travels and tales. Charms for a better life. 5 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Sarah Teary, welcome back to the tree house. Thank you. It's wonderful to be here. 6 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Well, since last time we spoke, I think it was last time or the time before previous episode, you said you saw those two deer. 7 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:21,000 I saw a deer run into your left ear. You saw one. I saw one deer run into your left ear. 8 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:28,000 And so you saw a deer. Yes. But there was another one. And as of last week, we have two bambies. Do you? 9 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:34,000 We have two bambies. We have a family of four now. Oh, goodness. And what I learned is that they can I bring over some food for them? 10 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Well, would you? Because I've learned that they love my cabbages. So so yeah, if you want to bring food, that's great. 11 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:50,000 I'll stick it away. I'll put it out on the back nine. It's not a look for deer food. No, seriously. But so seriously, welcome. 12 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,000 I totally missed you. That color is great on you. Oh, thank you. You look beautiful. My Barbie pink, your ducking pink. 13 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Works. So go with it. I like this because it's a manmade fabric and it just hangs and it doesn't wrinkle. 14 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Well, it works for you. Yes, really, really good. I just love. Yeah, I'm just I'm really into buying these. 15 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,000 So what have you done since we last spoke? I mean, it's been busy for you. I've been busy. You've been busy. 16 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Get me caught up. So my big thing, I'm starting a radio station. So I'm building the website. 17 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:23,000 So I'm creating content for the website and laying the website out. And that's just layer upon layer upon layer. 18 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 It's like writing a book, actually. It's a similar layering process. 19 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,000 And I have an eye for detail because I've done a lot of book layouts. So that's consuming me. 20 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:37,000 But in a good way, in a really, really good way. And what about you? No, no, no, we'll get to me. 21 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:43,000 But you're just you don't get to tease me like that. Oh, my goodness. But yeah, no, for real. 22 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Like give me some more meat on that radio. What is that? So so Zeta 4 Rocks is the name of the radio station. 23 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,000 And this was a radio station that was around back when I was living in South Florida in Pembroke Pines. 24 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:03,000 And I listened to Zeta and I listened to coast to coast. And so the guy that owned it, Jack Messer, 25 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:11,000 he shut the radio station down because now we've got Internet radio. It's not the radio anymore as it was because technology is now, you know, surpassed. 26 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:17,000 So we've bought the name. We're partnering with him and we're bringing Zeta back as an online radio station. 27 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:24,000 And it's all rock music, any type of rock music. And Frank, who's my partner, he's a DJ and he knows his music. 28 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,000 I mean, his music trivia and he's a great DJ, beautiful voice. And he's my partner on that. 29 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:36,000 So that's and I've listened to music ever since I was a kid. I mean, I'm just just I've been I've been raised by music. 30 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,000 I really think it's impacted my consciousness, not just listen to us on. I've listened to the poetry. 31 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:49,000 And so my butt says not just a rock and roll station because I'm writing sermons, I guess you could call them. 32 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:55,000 And I'm recording those as a half an hour radio show at the weekend for people who are interested in all my spiritual shit. 33 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:03,000 So your spiritual shit. So I love that. So just so you know, when I was in Jupiter, I put together it's a Facebook group. 34 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:09,000 I'm not big on Facebook, but back then it was the thing. You know, it's like 15 years ago. 35 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:15,000 It was the thing. And so I put together this group for live music in South Florida. 36 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:23,000 And it was specifically for it wasn't for DJs. It wasn't for, you know, karaoke. It was for live music. 37 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:29,000 So if you were if it was you and your guitar and you're going to show up someplace and play, I wanted people to know about that. 38 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,000 And so that's amazing. That still exists. And there's I just looked at it the other day. 39 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:40,000 There's like thousands of people using it now, even though I didn't I'm not actively like growing it or anything. 40 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,000 It's just organically growing because there's and it's on Facebook still. Yeah, it's a Facebook group. 41 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:51,000 And so once you said you'll send me the link to that, I was going to say once you get your your radio station, great. 42 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,000 That could be a beautiful dovetail. Wow. Because I actually wanted to just golly talk about synchronicities. 43 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Just last week, I was thinking how beautiful it would be to make that a Florida wide thing 44 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,000 and just make it, you know, the voice of Florida or the rock voice of Florida or something like that. 45 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,000 So but we can talk about that another time. But that is amazing. 46 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Well, that's really great. And Frank was actually talking about that because what we want to do is discover new rock bands 47 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:22,000 and then we want to bring them onto the radio show and play their music. So this is in line with that. 48 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Well, then I'm going to actually leverage that because, of course, this show is yours primarily. 49 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:34,000 I'm your co-host. But but, you know, soul decodes, that's kind of your thing. Mine is Studio 17. 50 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:41,000 And one of the aspects of that, the template that I'll be using for Studio 17. 51 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:48,000 And you and I didn't even talk about this is featuring artists. Wow. So this is nuts. 52 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,000 You can't even make that up. You can't make that up. 53 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:58,000 So this is like so perfect that if you have an artist that wants to be featured, you can feature them on your radio show. 54 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:07,000 But I can also feature them like a simulcast, you know, with Studio 17, because I want to have that filler music. 55 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,000 I want to have and giving that giving it gave me a platform to new talent. 56 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:18,000 And I would love to leverage that if it serves them. And I don't need I don't need anything for me. 57 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:27,000 I just want to feature. Yeah. And we'll we'll talk more about this creative self, because as we get into today's show or today's discussion, 58 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,000 I you know, I talked about what I've done in the past few weeks. 59 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:36,000 What have you been doing in the past few weeks, young lady? You've been up to some mischief. 60 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Well, you know, I can't think of a time when I'm not. 61 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:50,000 But but to really go to go into that, I want to tell you a little bit about my experiences in Vegas. 62 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,000 But but to do that, I have to set the stage. OK, that's good. I really have to know. 63 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,000 That's great. I have a good storyteller. And I love that. My sister in law does that. 64 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,000 She said it's really important because you get the nuances. 65 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Yeah, you know, you got the setting, the character, you got all of the the the protagonist with this imagination. 66 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:14,000 And then you got the antagonist, which is to me that, oh, my goodness, the antagonist is really something in this one. 67 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,000 But it's really the real deal. But so let me just go back and just kind of lay the foundation. 68 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:26,000 You may know some of this. You may not. But when I was 45 years old, 69 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:33,000 I decided that I was basically a singer and a trumpet player most of my life, but I decided I was going to play bass guitar. 70 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 So I picked up my I bought a bass guitar for my brother for one hundred dollars. 71 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 It was a used hand me down bass. And I was so frustrated. 72 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,000 And I just kept at it and kept at it and kept at it. And you taught yourself? I taught myself. 73 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Yeah, just watching YouTube's and, you know, just learning, just sitting and listening to a song and learning and practicing and watching. 74 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,000 So I was part of a band in West Palm Beach area. 75 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Then I started my own band later on in Jupiter, Florida. 76 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,000 And then that ended up being very great. But then we relocated here to central Florida. 77 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,000 And I've been with a couple of bands about two years ago. 78 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:16,000 I auditioned here in Orlando with arguably some of the best musicians I've ever played with. 79 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Wow. They were absolutely amazing, like studio quality, like precision, melodic musical, the whole thing. 80 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,000 And I actually competed against three other. Also, it's an audition. 81 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,000 It was an audition. I competed against three other bass players. Were they any good? 82 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,000 They were excellent. Gosh. But but I beat them. Nice. 83 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,000 And I was I was the fourth bass player and I ended up getting the spot. 84 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 And these musicians were beautiful people, great musicians. 85 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,000 But I didn't feel like the resonance, like I felt like it was like studio. 86 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 And I wanted to have something more of a family. 87 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 So I was I was really hoping that would be more than it would be. 88 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,000 But I'd stuck in there for a little bit and I got this call from this this individual 89 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,000 that was putting together a Phil Collins Genesis tribute band. 90 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 And he was very passionate and he asked me to be the backup bass player. 91 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:15,000 I said, sure. You know, I loved it. I'm not big on Phil Collins at the time, but I knew some of the music. 92 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I knew some of the music. Genesis. Genesis. I knew the music, but I had no idea the complexity of the bass lines. 93 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,000 And I was just it was a wonderful experience learning those. 94 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:34,000 So the short story is I I actually bowed out of the Orlando band to be part of this 95 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 nationwide effort to be a Phil Collins tribute band. 96 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,000 And for those people who have never listened to the bass lines, 97 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,000 really tuned up the bass on some of the Phil Collins and Genesis songs, they're phenomenal. 98 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,000 They're just so fun. They're intricate. It's a lot of work. 99 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,000 A lot of work, you mean physically when you're playing just with your hands. 100 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Some of it is physical work. I don't play an instrument, but so. 101 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Oh, yeah. So there's a. So do you exercise your fingers and you have to do that before you play? 102 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 It's good to limber up. Right. Yeah. 103 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:12,000 But in terms of like this music, particularly if you play this music for three, four, five hours straight, 104 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,000 like practicing, rehearsing, your hands will be numb. 105 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,000 There's your it's literally a workout. Yeah. But you can look at you can go online and look up 106 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:25,000 Nathan East or Leland Sklar. You'll know Leland Sklar. 107 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:31,000 He played for like Jackson Brown and he played for he filled in for Toto and I love Toto. 108 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Yeah. He's just when you when you hear these classic like the music you and I grew up with in the 80s, 109 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,000 you know, 80s, 90s, even the 70s. 70s. 110 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:47,000 There's great bass lines in the 70s. A lot of that was Leland Sklar playing. 111 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:53,000 So I was basically for for. Oh, excuse me. Two years. 112 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,000 Somebody loves you. It's my son. I'm going to have to text him. 113 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Give me one second. OK, we're going to pause right there. OK. 114 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,000 OK, sorry about that. OK, so let's pick up. 115 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,000 I've turned the volume down, so I just put on vibrate. 116 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,000 He said, shit, so sorry, because I told him yesterday. I said, God, I remember this stuff. 117 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,000 So we'll just cut all that out. It's all right. 118 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,000 So his last thing I said, you're talking about this this guy and we were about six. 119 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Yes. And the 70s and. 120 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:33,000 So the 70s, 80s, 90s, those those bass lines were so iconic and they're they're so musical and so 121 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,000 a lot of in many respects, very technical. So over the past couple of years, I've dived into those 122 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,000 and I've learned them. I've studied them. And I'm a much better bass player. 123 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Having done that, like I consider myself like almost like a student of Leland Sklar. 124 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:56,000 In fact, protégé right here in this room, we had 125 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,000 we had the one of the sax players that's played with Leland Sklar. 126 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:07,000 He was I was here. He was right next to me. He was we're playing one of the one of the Phil Collins tunes. 127 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:17,000 And he during the break, he told me he says, Tia Jolie, the way you play bass is very similar to that of Leland Sklar. 128 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,000 And I thought I was emotional. Yeah, I can imagine. 129 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:27,000 And then he pulls out his phone and he shows a picture of him standing next to Leland Sklar. 130 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,000 He's got his sax and Leland's got his bass. I was blown away. 131 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:37,000 I was moved to go from somebody who never kind of confirmation on a divine level, isn't it? 132 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Oh, my goodness. And so to go from like never playing bass before at 45 years old to now to him being standing, sitting next to this. 133 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,000 And, you know, this his name was Rob, Rob Maider. 134 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,000 You know, he's got I got pictures of him playing with Donnie and Marie Osmond. 135 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Like this guy's the real deal. So for him to say that to me was very moving. 136 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:10,000 So so this whole experience in leaving one band that I really wanted to be with to to ramp up with this Phil Collins tribute band was just an amazing thing. 137 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Now, and the name of the band? No, I'm not going to go there. You can't do that. 138 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,000 I'm not going to go there. I'll be patient. 139 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,000 No, there's a reason I'm not going to go. All right. I won't ask too many questions. 140 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,000 But this is going to be part of this soul decode. 141 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,000 OK, there's a soul decode here. Nice. All right. 142 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,000 So I'm not just talking. No, I know. I'm not bringing this up just to hear myself talk. 143 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,000 But there is a there is a punch line here. 144 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:43,000 And I want to watch you laugh and then cry and get angry and I don't get angry unless someone is unless I'm frustrated. 145 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,000 OK, frustration is when I get angry. Other than that, we'll see. 146 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Well, maybe you won't be angry. Maybe I'm not. 147 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Well, maybe I'll hit you over the head with the mic and I'll be really pissed. 148 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Maybe you won't be able to catch me and that'll frustrate you. 149 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:08,000 So, OK, so so in the in the in the weeks leading up now, the band was we had we were scheduled for February 1st through February 10th. 150 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:16,000 We had three gigs lined up in in Vegas and then four gigs lined up in Laughlin. 151 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Where's Laughlin? It's an hour south of Vegas. 152 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:28,000 So all this is all this is leading up to, you know, so for two years I put this guy invited me to be the business manager. 153 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,000 I put together his website. I did offered my studio. I did everything correct. 154 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:39,000 I did just kicked kicked butt for this guy and for the effort because I thought it was an admirable effort. 155 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:49,000 He did an excellent job aggregating world class drummer, singers, musicians like he surrounded himself 156 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:55,000 with with the best, the best of the best. Like I was humbled to be part of that that group. 157 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:02,000 The challenge was his singing was average. He's the lead singer. He owns the band. 158 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,000 He's the Phil Collins persona. Did he realize it was average? 159 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:12,000 The problem is that many of us expressed to him that we need to up the game. 160 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 It's tough thing to do though, isn't it? It's very difficult. 161 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:22,000 And given that he gave me this position as the business manager, I was kind of the point person to say, hey person, 162 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,000 I don't want to use his name because I don't. Yes, no, it's not relevant. Not at all. 163 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:34,000 But for two months leading up to Vegas, I was like, hey person, we we really need to like work on what's in your monitor. 164 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:42,000 We need you to hear more of the lead guitar or the keys because his voice was really pitchy. 165 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:48,000 It was like all over the place. So much so that I brought my brother Jeff in from Chicago. 166 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:54,000 He's world class audio engineer. He put together this rack behind me. 167 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:02,000 He's done cruise ships, synagogues, soldier field like he's done major projects. Best audio guy in the world. 168 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,000 And I paid for him to come down here and to take care of us. 169 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:12,000 And I told him specifically, my brother, Jeff, I said, I have to have this lead singer. 170 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:18,000 I need to bring his pitch where it needs to be. When he hears too much of himself, he's all over the place. 171 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:24,000 We need to have him. We need to have the mix so that he hears the band, hears himself relative to the band. 172 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Right. OK. Well, for the months leading up to Vegas, I was telling the lead singer that this is not going to work. 173 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,000 This is like a train wreck. And how did he take it? Was it full of ego? Very, very ego. 174 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Yeah. It's difficult to take criticism. I've suffered with that in the past. I'm much better at it. 175 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:46,000 But boy, you got to come in slowly with that. I was so gentle. Yeah. I was so gentle. 176 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,000 It's like, what can we do to help you? Yeah. Gosh, it's very delicate. 177 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:57,000 I talked to I would even talk to the drummer and we'd have these personal conversations about I'd say, hey, Matt, how do I present this? 178 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:03,000 How do I bring this up in a way that I don't want to damage him? I don't want to hurt. I want to fulfill him. 179 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:09,000 I want to bolster him and bring him to a position of strength and power. Yes. If you're going to lead this amazing band. 180 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:16,000 And over the course of a couple of months, things were not progressing like he was. His pitch was all over the place. 181 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:22,000 It was. Was he having his voice trained and having lessons? He was taking lessons in Orlando. He's doing all this stuff. 182 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:29,000 But now here's what happened. I bought tickets to Vegas. 183 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,000 This guy's wife was supposed to go. So I had Robin going because she was going to be by herself. 184 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:42,000 The guy's wife. I thought, well, Robin can come. So I was trying to do everything to support him and his dream and his family. 185 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Ten days prior, he notified us that his wife's not going. So now now my spouse is going to be there alone. 186 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:59,000 I'm like, that's not OK. Yeah. A week prior to departing for Vegas or a couple months prior, he basically told me. 187 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:09,000 If I want your opinion on anything, I'll ask you. Otherwise, I don't want this is like a caricature for ego. 188 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Yeah, right. If I want your opinion about something, I'll ask you. 189 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:21,000 I started wondering, it's like, what's this about? Because if you're for business partners and I'm with no collaboration, I did. 190 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:27,000 He feels offended. Yeah. He feels indignant indignation. And for like two years, I was just like kicking by. 191 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Like I redid their website. I did. He's not appreciating everything that you've bought. 192 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000 He's just so offended. His ego is doing that. He can't even see the light at this point. 193 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:47,000 So fast forward one week prior to the Vegas gig via text. He fired me. Goodness. Not refundable tickets. 194 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,000 So Robin and I are like, OK, I guess we're going to go to Vegas because I've got these non refundable tickets. 195 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:58,000 Right. So lemons out of lemon. And I had Jeff and his wife. Jeff and his wife flying from Chicago. 196 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,000 Yeah. So we had some time share points. How did you process this initially? 197 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:08,000 Were you like, what the fuck? Or were you... Well, I saw some signs and symptoms. 198 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:16,000 Oh, OK. So it wasn't a huge surprise. Well, it was actually a relief. Oh, nice. I had immediate relief because I was carrying a burden. 199 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Yeah, of course. It's like, because I'm that person. I don't want to go on stage and suck. Yeah. 200 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:28,000 That's like not a good look. It's not a good look. Right. So. Well, feeling. 201 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:37,000 And so, yeah. So I was I was not surprised because many of the people in the band approached me and said, hey, what, you know, why is he behaving this way? 202 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:44,000 Not just towards me, but towards everybody is like this tyrant. This. So did he fire you and keep everyone else? 203 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Yes, pretty much. In fact, the bass lines are there. They're difficult bass lines. 204 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,000 He just had a hired gun bass player from Vegas who did a very good job. 205 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,000 He had two different bass players. It's not the bass lines. It's his voice. It's a problem, isn't it? 206 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:04,000 So when you listen to the music, which I'm not going to tell you the name of the band, it's not relevant. 207 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Yes, because this is a soul decode. Yeah. What's relevant is, you know, what happened here? 208 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Well, how does this pertain to my soul and my journey? And the short answer is that I came out of it grandly. 209 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:23,000 And you were relieved because you didn't want to be a part of all that bullshit ego energy. So what happened? So there would be relief. 210 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:30,000 So day one in Vegas. So I love the fact that you decided to go. It's like, great, we'll just go and. 211 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Oh, yeah, we had a great time. We went. I didn't go to any of the shows. 212 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:43,000 They're a bit overrated, aren't they? So what I did was my brother and his wife and the two of us just hung out and had fun and breakfast. 213 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:48,000 And it was a little bit cold and rainy, believe it or not. How was it? In Vegas. But we made the best of it. 214 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:55,000 But some of the members of the band actually kept in touch with me and let me know how things were going and things like that. 215 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:02,000 Well, guess what? The first night they almost got fired from the rest of the gigs. Why? He was so bad. 216 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Yes, because his ego is in control. Nothing good in the quantum field is going to open up for you. Oh, my goodness. 217 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:13,000 Yeah. And this is not a happy thing for me because I wanted them. It's kind of predictable considering his mindset, though. 218 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:19,000 This is not going to go well for you because look at the mindset that's operating your system. So this doesn't surprise me. 219 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Yeah. So I want you to talk more about. Yeah, because I'm going to carry on, though, because I'm going to tell you the punch line. 220 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,000 I'm going to give you the punch line in a moment and then I'm going to get let you interpret it. 221 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,000 But during the whole course, I was like I would literally have like one of the guitar. 222 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:42,000 There's two guitar players, one of them was like he was really struggling because he saw like this like driving a driving your vehicle full speed 223 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:50,000 towards a rock or a tree like he knew he saw it coming. It's stressful. The whole band was stressed. 224 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:58,000 Well, the takeaway was this. The first night was abhorrent. People were leaving the performance. 225 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:05,000 Oh, the the guy who actually hired them threatened to fire them. Oh, my God. It was terrible. 226 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:14,000 So but these are my friends like these. Yeah. You know, and even though the lead singer was like being a dick jerk. 227 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,000 Yeah. These are still your friends and you still wanted to bless them. And I really wanted them to do well. 228 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,000 I even so you went to the performance. No, I did not know. But they were telling you this. 229 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:29,000 They were telling me and sending me video clips and stuff. They're like, oh, my God, this is like a train wreck. 230 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Please help me. And the lead singer, the one not the lead singer, but one of the backup singers who's basically a lead singer. 231 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:43,000 She and her friend do the Pink Floyd backup vocals. They're amazing. 232 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:51,000 But they she basically was like she texted me and said, you know, she's kind of jealous that I was fired. 233 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:57,000 So she's so adorable. Her dad was actually one of the producers for the Rolling Stones. 234 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:05,000 So big, big names. So anyway, so they struggled their way through the three Vegas performances. 235 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:13,000 And then they ended up taking a couple of days off. And then they went to Laughlin day one, their first performance, Laughlin. 236 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:21,000 After the performance, they were basically the guy who hired them for that performance. 237 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:29,000 And then they railed on the lead singer for about an hour, just completely destroyed him for what? For lack of performance. 238 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,000 Right. This is not what it's kind of what you'd been trying to talk to him about prior to all this. 239 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,000 For two months, I was sharing with him, you know, what we have to do to make him not be pitchy. 240 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:45,000 And it but here's the punch line. They had four performances scheduled in Laughlin. 241 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:52,000 They got put on notice after the first one. They were granted the second one. 242 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Oh, that's so stressful, though. You're going to really freak out on the second one because everything's on the line. 243 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,000 They didn't do the third and fourth because they were fired. The band was literally fired. 244 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:09,000 And by all reports, there were people like the guitar players, friends, who basically said that was they went to the performance. 245 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:15,000 They said that was the I've been to many Vegas performances. That was like the worst I've ever been to. 246 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:23,000 And so to me, in my world, in terms of the field, that was like instant karma. 247 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:29,000 That was what it's not karma. It's actually energy. Karma is different. We can talk about low grade energy. 248 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:36,000 This is this is where I get to hand you the ball because I'm in a tremendous like a space of peace. 249 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:43,000 And I'm actually very sad. There's this level of sadness because that chapter is closed and a new one's opening. 250 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,000 And it's that interim. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And no sooner. I didn't even get home. 251 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000 I didn't even return from Vegas. And it would be it wouldn't even be sadness. 252 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,000 It'd be more like a loss because you've lost the band and the friendships and that was part of it. 253 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,000 So there's a loss you're feeling. Well, the friendships with the band still persist. 254 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:04,000 There's I've actually had offers already to be in other bands. So I'm going to land on my feet. 255 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,000 So I wonder what's going to happen to this dude who's fronting this band. 256 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,000 So I wonder whether he's going to sit there and have a, you know, what they typically call a come to Jesus moment. 257 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,000 I wouldn't use that vernacular. But at some point, like what is going on here? 258 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,000 Is he spiritually inclined to any type of self analysis? 259 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:27,000 Well, I've come to find out that this version, this iteration of this cover, this tribute band was his fourth attempt. 260 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:33,000 There are three bands before us that he completely gutted. I mean, this is still with Phil Collins. 261 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:39,000 So I don't know how many times he's going to do this. It's not relevant. 262 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:45,000 I really want him to be happy and healthy. I really want him to achieve this dream, this goal of his. 263 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:51,000 I think that if he changes a few things, he could probably realize his goals, but he's not open to it yet. 264 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Yeah, I mean, pride is and that's what it is. 265 00:25:54,000 --> 00:26:02,000 I mean, I've gone through things in my life where I cannot stand criticism and my ego mind will roar up 266 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:08,000 and defend itself vigorously. And then I got to the point where that's ridiculous, Sarah, 267 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:15,000 because my soul mind is coming online. It stopped having such a thin skin and constructive criticisms. 268 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:23,000 OK, and people always assume this is Jordan Peterson, always assume somebody knows something you don't really good advice. 269 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:31,000 So I'm much more open to taking criticism. And it's not even criticism, advice, guidance to someone no more than I do. 270 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:37,000 But I've been in this guy's shoes. I've been I mean, I haven't maybe taken it as far as that, 271 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,000 but I found criticism and advice difficult to deal with because I took it personally. 272 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:47,000 And that was just an ego structure of pride. This is going to be something we're going to talk more about, 273 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:55,000 because I love how I love how you talk about your ego and your two programs running the show, just just kind of dancing together, 274 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,000 kind of pushing and pulling and, you know, kind of swirling. Well, they should be when they're in unison. 275 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:06,000 You don't have to defy the ego. The ego is who you are. But they should be dancing in unison, not coming off. 276 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:12,000 They should be melding together. That would be I think if I were to define the word enlightenment, 277 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,000 it would be your ego and your soul, the Holy Spirit running in unison. 278 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:22,000 So this is going to be curious if if Jordan Peterson ever listens to this podcast, if we'll send it to him, 279 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:35,000 if if he can get to the point where his ego permits him to apply his own his own suggestion that there may be somebody who knows something that he doesn't. 280 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Do you think he's not willing to listen to other people? Do you think he's closed off to that? 281 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,000 I mean, the guy is a superhuman in terms of his intellect and the way he can bury. 282 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,000 Well, I mean, if you ask him, then if you ask him that, he'll agree with you. Yeah. 283 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:57,000 But he deploys so many logical fallacies. He he is unwilling and unable to self assess. 284 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:03,000 And I know you're a fan of his talk to Sam Harris. Well, I know you're a fan of his and I'm not here. 285 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:09,000 I'm not here to disparage him. But it's not. I mean, I think he said some most lucid, constructive things. 286 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,000 Now, I haven't heard what you heard and I don't share the same opinion, but I'm not saying that you're wrong. 287 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:19,000 But someone doesn't have to be all right for me to respect them. It doesn't have to be like that for me. 288 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000 And I think self analysis, I think you could be right. 289 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,000 You've got to detach from ego, come back down to presence and then observe your own mind. 290 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:33,000 And I don't think maybe he's not observing his mind. So he's full on in ego structures. 291 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000 I think he's done a great service to a lot of people. 292 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,000 But there's probably ideas that, you know, are wrong and they're a fallacy. 293 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000 And but then I could say that about my own ideas. 294 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:49,000 I hope to self correct. And what you're saying is that Jordan might not be self correcting. 295 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:58,000 And to be fair, in fairness, there are many, many, many things that Jordans put out there that I absolutely respect and admire. 296 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:04,000 Some of them are related to like, like I'm a libertarian in terms of my structure. 297 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:18,000 I believe in power to the people. I believe that the structures, the powers that be should not be telling us what we can say or what we can't say, when we can say it, what we do with our bodies. 298 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,000 So in that regard, I think he's done some beautiful things. 299 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:39,000 What I'm saying is that when he when he puts things out into when he puts things out in terms of his opinions, what he's saying oftentimes conflicts with what he is doing. 300 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:53,000 And I think that it's important that if you're going to make a statement like you just said earlier that that that perhaps somebody knows something we should be open to somebody knows something you don't know. 301 00:29:53,000 --> 00:30:04,000 He is. It's been my observation that he is unwilling to explore those potentialities that well, in that case, the teacher teaches what he still has yet to learn. 302 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:10,000 But this is not about Jordan, because I do respect him in certain realms. 303 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,000 But he's on the potters wheel like everyone else. Right. He's he's malleable. He's working his way in life. 304 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:21,000 And yeah, and the world has a way of balancing the ego out, which is a beautiful thing. 305 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,000 You'll get bored with it after a while. You balance yourself out because you'll be bored by your structures. 306 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:36,000 So let's go back. I really want to get to get your decode on this because, you know, I feel like I've operated from from a sense of altruism. 307 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:43,000 I feel like I've really done great for the band. My heart really wants them to do well. 308 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000 Now, to answer your question about where's this leave the band? 309 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:55,000 Well, right after the event, they actually contacted me several individuals saying, do you still have access to the website? 310 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:03,000 Because I want my image and my likeness to be removed. So they've they've basically this version of the band is there's been a mutiny. 311 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:09,000 It's not like it's out of my control because I just want people to be happy and healthy. 312 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,000 And I do want this lead singer to fulfill his dream. So there's no ill intent here. But I do need to serve those people. 313 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,000 But given that whole thing, which I didn't really want to go in that depth. 314 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:38,000 But but I do think that as the as people who are listening to this go through life, there's going to be times where they they do things for a month, a year, two years, 20 years where they they work and they do things with good spirit, with good intent. 315 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:44,000 And then the world gives them a shit sandwich. And, you know, all of us have to interpret that. 316 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,000 What do I even do anything? You've created it. We're not being doled out a shit sandwich. 317 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,000 We somehow in our energy created that. So what happened to this guy was his creation. 318 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:01,000 So by by extension, though, you're suggesting that I created the shit sandwich that I ate. 319 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,000 Well, you have served me. Yes. I didn't need it. 320 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,000 Remember, you were relieved. There's plenty of opportunities for you to have another band. 321 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:16,000 You could have been in a service mission to this this band. It could have gone either way. This might not even be a lesson for you. 322 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:23,000 This might be about him. And you've been embroiled into a situation where you came in, you wanted to manage, you wanted to give your expertise. 323 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:29,000 So you can't see this necessarily. You still have to examine it. But you can't see this necessarily as being a lesson for you. 324 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:39,000 It sounds like this guy is the one that needs to do the evaluation and you facilitated his lesson. And it felt rough for you because now you're going through some loss. 325 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,000 You weren't expecting this. Maybe you've got to when you I don't know if you've been fired in the past. 326 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:50,000 And that's not a nice feeling is if you're if you're fired. Right. So but it might just be about this guy's growth. 327 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,000 And you were there at the right time and you'll through it. And you've learned a lot. 328 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:01,000 You must have done. And that will all just upload into your head and then just move on to whatever else the universe has got. 329 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,000 So I do have to tell you that I think you nailed one of the one of the most significant outcomes. 330 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:15,000 And the reason I wasn't upset about being fired was it was relief. It was a relief. There's no doubt. Mission accomplished. 331 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:24,000 That's probably why. But when I when I look backwards, like my previous band was up in Mount Dora and they played rock and roll from the 60s and 70s. 332 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:31,000 You know, just the Allman Brothers and things like that. And, you know, we'd play like some Jethro Tull. 333 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:38,000 Like some of these some of these bass lines are very difficult. In fact, that band wanted to play Jethro Tull songs. 334 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:44,000 But I was the only bass player that could do it. And that's why it's like because there's some intricate bass lines. 335 00:33:44,000 --> 00:34:00,000 But even then, you know, when I left that band, I was amazed at how I felt because when I went into the band, the discussion I had with my spouse was I don't even know if I'm good enough for this band. 336 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:06,000 That's great. And then really great. It's great to say that. Right. But I seriously like they were such good musicians. 337 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:16,000 And I'm just humbly looking at this going these bass lines are so difficult. But I always tell people it's like, I mean, I don't even read bass music. 338 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,000 It's I listen to it and I play it, you know, and I study it and I play it again and again and again. 339 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,000 In fact, that joke is Robin knows bass lines, my bass lines as well as I do. 340 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:44,000 But the point is, like, I became a better person from that the band in Mount Dora that played the 60s and 70s. But this experience, when I look back at how I became better, I became a better friend to my bandmates. 341 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:52,000 I'm a much better bass player. I feel like I can go play anything right now. That's great. Yeah, I just so confidence. It was so myself. 342 00:34:52,000 --> 00:35:06,000 But also managing I'm better with websites. I'm better with audio. I'm I'm better in so many ways, even though I didn't get that iconic shot playing in Vegas as a bass player yet. 343 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:17,000 I didn't get that yet. Yet. God bless you. You're so sweet. So so so anyway, I'm just saying that I have like this infinite number. 344 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:23,000 Let me let me ask you these numbers of blessings that are just so so when you're so what did you fuck up at? 345 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:30,000 What did you what do you look back? Do you wish I shouldn't have said this? Did I mishandle this? Did my ego pull on this? 346 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,000 Have you gone and seen anything that you would have changed so that could have changed the outcome? 347 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,000 Anything power? I'm not talking about a minor little conversation. That's a brilliant question. 348 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:47,000 And I've had that level of introspection like for a very long time. The short answer is I wouldn't change a thing. 349 00:35:47,000 --> 00:36:06,000 And I'm perfectly glad things happened as they were. If I would have gone backwards, the only thing I would have changed is something that I've experienced most of my life is that sometimes I stick with bad friendships or bad relationships longer than I should. 350 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:15,000 So the takeaway would be, you know, I've got this this idea that I can make things better, things better. 351 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:21,000 But sometimes I do more. I do more for the other people than they're willing to do for themselves. 352 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:32,000 And this happened with my previous marriage, where I was busting my back trying to get everything done and try to make things right and trying to do everything myself. 353 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,000 But, you know, the other person in the relationship has got their part too. 354 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:51,000 Quite. And when I look back at my life, like I'm 60 years old now and I'm like, when I look backwards, I think that's the lesson that I feel like I should have learned early on is like, you know, relationships are two way streets. 355 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:56,000 And, you know, you can't do more for somebody than they're willing to do for themselves. 356 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000 And that and they've got to take responsibility for that, haven't they? 357 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:07,000 So I think that if I still don't think I would have changed anything because I'm that person that I'm not a quitter. 358 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,000 And so you wouldn't have resigned from the band prior to being fired. 359 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,000 I mean, two weeks before, were you edging around? 360 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,000 I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have resigned with with gigs on the book. 361 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,000 That's just irresponsible. Yes, that's not kind. 362 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,000 But if but if I did not have the gigs on the book, I would have quit. 363 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:34,000 In fact, I told Robin, excuse me, before, even before I was, quote, fired that after these gigs are done, I'm done. 364 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,000 Oh, really? Yeah. So I was I was of a mind that I was going to leave anyway. 365 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Yeah. So it was kind of a relief for me. 366 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:50,000 I think I think the thing that you have to remember, things are just sometimes for seasons, there's a season and that season ends. 367 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:57,000 Then another season begins. So holding on to something which is belonging to a previous season can be a bit grabby. 368 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000 You're grabbing onto that. But you just have to learn to let go. 369 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,000 Now, we don't know what the next season brings. So there's a little bit of fear in that. 370 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:08,000 Sometimes people fear the unknown. I actually love the unknown. I think it's very exciting. 371 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:18,000 So that was just a season. And in future, you might if that happens again, you could let that friendship go or however that works out or. 372 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:25,000 I mean, I guess you could hang on to something because I have friendships where I'm hanging on because I know I'm still helping that person. 373 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,000 It's not bringing me anything at all, but I know I'm helping that person. 374 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,000 So I don't want to mention any names, but that's what is going on in my life at the moment. 375 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,000 So sometimes you can hang on to friendships, but the friendship I'm talking about is nearly 30 years old. 376 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:44,000 So it's slightly different. But yeah, some friendships come and go and seasons change. 377 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:51,000 So I really love what you just touched upon. And that's that, you know, we do talk about relationships being two way streets. 378 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:59,000 But I do know that there are some relationships where I can pay it forward in this direction. 379 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:05,000 And then but the flow comes from the other direction. And so we can talk about that briefly. 380 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,000 But but I do have people in my life where where it is a one way street. 381 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,000 But and that's OK, because sometimes it's supposed to be so. 382 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000 So, yeah, but I want to discriminate because I shared this with my children. 383 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000 You know, I've got four children and four grandchildren. 384 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:25,000 And so with my children, when they were young, I taught them early on. 385 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:32,000 Hopefully they remember. But, you know, there's a difference between charity and welfare. 386 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,000 Oh, charity and welfare. And, you know, it's like, well, what's the difference? 387 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:46,000 And I draw the line basically charity is when you do something for somebody else that they cannot do for themselves. 388 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:52,000 OK. OK. So welfare is when you do something for somebody that they could otherwise do for themselves. 389 00:39:52,000 --> 00:40:00,000 Interesting. I like that. Yeah. So what I try to do is I try to assess is what I'm doing something for them that they can't do, 390 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:09,000 in which case I have no problem being a one way street. But my game plan would be to help them reach within themselves 391 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:19,000 so they can eventually do it for themselves. So there's this level of inspiration or empowerment, you know, encouragement, encouragement, being a cheerleader. 392 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,000 Those things I think are important because you can start off in the charity, 393 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:32,000 but then you have somebody that's, you know, a lead singer that fails to progress. At some point you have to cut, cut, cut, at some point you have to cut and leave. 394 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,000 Yeah. That's a great way of laying that out. So that's that's kind of my thing is. 395 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:50,000 But if somebody is say that they're they're handicapped or they're they're I don't I'm not a politically correct person, but, you know, say they're they're mentally incapable of doing something. 396 00:40:50,000 --> 00:41:00,000 I will help them as long as I'm able to help them. Like I will stick in there and help them with the moment you're seeing that they should be capable of doing it. 397 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:09,000 They're now using you as a crutch. And that's when you pull back. And it's not digital. It's not all or nothing. But I can start weaning myself. Yes. I'll start winning. Yeah. 398 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:21,000 So here's an example in in real time. I found I think you know this, but back in January of 2020, I stopped taking money from my consultations. 399 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:32,000 So I was charging $150 an hour and I just went zero. I love that. Because Spirit told me it's like, you know, I've got these skills and capabilities and knowledge. None of it's mine. 400 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:40,000 Yeah, but it all comes back anyway. It's just it's if you give it here, it comes back from here. There's no such thing as giving it is receiving. 401 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:51,000 So I think it's beautiful that you're not charging. Oh, it was the best really good choice that you have no idea like the amount of receiving. I didn't do it to receive. I know. 402 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:59,000 But it's still that it's still a universal law, though. And you've tapped into it. And you can talk to people. People don't have 150 bucks. That's a lot of money to a lot of people who are suffering. 403 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:14,000 So the fact that is so beautiful. It's really charming. And so what I found myself, what I found happening, Sarah, is that I've had I have people where I was falling into this thing where I was doing more for them than they would do for themselves. 404 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:28,000 So I had to set up an algorithm or some sort of a filtering type process. So what I do now is I've got a couple like as soon as somebody contacts me because like I was at a networking event. 405 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:36,000 This morning and people contact me and they want help and they want assistance with their with their health and wellness. And it's free. 406 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:52,000 But what I the very first thing I do is I drop them a six page PDF, six pages. Anybody can read a fifth grader can read six pages. Right. It's very simple. It just explains the seven stages of disease. 407 00:42:52,000 --> 00:43:09,000 Yes, I've read that. That was excellent. So the reason I do that is if they say they want help and I send them a six page document and say, please read this six page document and just drop me a text when you're done. 408 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:16,000 If they don't do that, this is evidence they don't want to help themselves. So I use that kind of as a filter filter. Yeah. 409 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:24,000 And then if they do get back with me and hey, this is great. Thank you so much. I had no idea. There's so much information. Now they've got the right questions to ask. Now they're coming loaded. 410 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:35,000 Yeah. And now I can say, great. Here's the next step. Right. And I'll send them a maybe a 10 page, a 10 minute questionnaire, just about, you know, the stuff recommend a movie or recommend. 411 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:47,000 I did game changers because yeah, so just I want them to take the next step is the point because this way it's a dance, but you want them to self motivate to some degree. You can't keep pulling on them. 412 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:58,000 And then this allows me to ascertain. Am I wasting your time? Am I wasting my time? So what are your thoughts on all that? Sounds great to me. It sounds a very practical way of running a business, which is what you're doing. 413 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:07,000 You're being of service. You're going to have to put some filters on. You can't just flog a dead horse or a horse that's been dead for a week. You know, you've got so that sounds good. 414 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:18,000 So this is awesome. Well, thank you for being a sounding board. Well, you're welcome. For me, I'm very interesting. It's fascinating. Let's just wish that the guy that's fucking up his band and all the rest of it. 415 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:29,000 Let's wish him well. I feel sorry for him because I've been in similar situations where my ego is just totally dominant and I'm not hearing the messages from the universe. I'm not hearing the people in my place. 416 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:40,000 And that is rough. And I feel bad for him, but he'll get there. I mean, we're reincarnating over and over again. If he doesn't get it in this life, he'll get it in the next. But sometimes when shit hits the fan, we do wake up. 417 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:51,000 So I hope he does. And I wish him well. Yeah. And same here. I think the whole band, even though the band mates kind of mutinied and laughed. 418 00:44:51,000 --> 00:45:02,000 When I laugh, it's not because it's funny. It's just I see. Why do I laugh at crappy things? I just make sense of it. When you just say there's a mutiny. I mean, a lot of shit went down. 419 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:13,000 Well, he was the captain after the other. Think about a mutiny, though. I use the term specifically. You're the captain. You're on a ship. Nobody can get off that ship. They had to go. They had to perform. There's no swimming. 420 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:22,000 And now they've got to gang up on you because now you've ruined it for them. So they didn't. It wasn't really a gang up. A mutiny doesn't mean gang up. It means that I'm gone. I'm out. 421 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:34,000 You're bailing out. A mutiny means that you're leaving. I thought a mutiny was when you gather with other people and then it's like move over, pal. There's a new captain on this ship. And I think that's the mutiny. 422 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:43,000 We'll have to look at that. We'll have to ask. Yeah, I would say the difference would be are we at sea or at port? Because if you're at sea, you have to take over the command. 423 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:56,000 Ah, OK. But if you're at port, everyone's like, what happens if you're on the Starship Enterprise? You just do your little pod. Yeah, get out of here. I miss your laugh and your giggle. 424 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:07,000 It's been wonderful. It's lovely talking to you as always. So what do you want to do next? Have a cigarette break. OK. All right. So we're going to take a break. 425 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:14,000 And let's connect again really sometime soon. Yeah, let's do that. I'm looking forward to it. And we won't talk about band stuff anymore. 426 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:21,000 Well, unless it comes up, because I'm going to be thinking about what you've said. So I might have a couple of theories or questions because I get inspired by conversations like these. 427 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:30,000 But we've got so many other things to talk about. Let's connect. And as far as a Vegas gig, that's in the future, baby. OK, let's do it. Manifest that. 428 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:43,000 You know what we could do is we can take this show. Let's take the show on the road. Why not? Why not? Holy moly. Let's get a following. Hey, all y'all listening. Oh, you need to tell people about the show because we're going to go to Vegas. 429 00:46:43,000 --> 00:47:01,000 We'll have to talk about that. That sounds like a great idea. Thank you so much for coming out today. OK, be well. All right. OK, you too. Bye. 430 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:37,000 This episode of Soul Decodes is sponsored and produced by Pure. Optimize your life by taking your health to the next level. 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