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Welcome to Soul Decodes. Join us as we wander off the path to find the ideas that fascinate. We talk about spirituality, the mind, the ego, wellness and hidden history with tips, travels and tales. Charms for a better life.

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Sarah, welcome back to Phillips Island. Thank you. I feel like I've never left. It feels like it was just just moments ago.

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Funny that isn't it.

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So, what but thank you. Thank you for being back. I always look forward to that first one was was very delightful.

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I was so excited because after we finished the podcast, I actually plug the recording in and it actually recorded.

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Nothing like 45 minutes blank.

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But it wouldn't be the first time that happened.

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I was reading. I read my novel out and I recorded about 45 minutes of one very, very complicated chapter because there's a lot of dialogue and I wasn't recording and it was like that's never going to happen to me.

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So, I had something similar. This is years ago. I had one of my pilot friends. He's an F-16 pilot, very established pilot. He currently still flies for JetBlue, which is where I most recently flew as a captain for JetBlue.

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And we were, we're on an overnight together somewhere in Florida.

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And he, all the pilots have different nicknames like we each of us had call signs and it's kind of like a, I don't know, it's a pilot thing.

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Kind of like Goose and Maverick and Top Gun.

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Same thing. But what people don't know is that you don't get to pick your own. You don't get to pick your own call sign.

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Who designates that?

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Usually it's based on something you did and almost always the most embarrassing thing.

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It's almost always the most embarrassing thing you did. So, my friend, I'm going to actually have him on my other podcast. My other podcast is Studio 17.

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And Studio 17, I interview people that have amazing stories or novel. They're game changers. They're business innovators. They're entrepreneurs, problem solvers.

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So, it's completely a different podcast than this. But I was sitting there with my friend Pete. Well, his call sign is stinky.

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Oh, I could imagine. Oh, no.

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I'll let, I'm not going to, you'll have to listen to the podcast because I told him, I said, I want to redo that interview because it was an epic, epic interview.

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And did you get to the reasons why he was called stinky?

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Yes, but I'm not going to say.

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No, no, don't. No, I have to listen.

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That's going to be how the interview, that's going to be. So, some things are better left. Let him tell the story. But it was precious. I was laughing so hard.

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My imagination has already gone wild.

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So, let me just tell you quick. Here's a quick story for you. I mean, here we are. We're minutes into the podcast and we haven't even covered our first topic.

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But this is, but this is what girlfriends do. So, I was, I was in a job. It was out of Toledo and I was a check airman for a company called Flight Safety.

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And Flight Safety does training and check rides for corporate pilots and private pilots. And so, I was a check airman and one of the, the other instructors, we had a group of instructors.

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And there, when there's a group of you and there's like eight of you that are always doing the same things and you're teaching and you're doing check rides and all this stuff, you get to know each other pretty well.

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So, even though they're not military, I gave everyone call signs. I assigned them. My name was Dealer.

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Dealer.

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But there's reasons for it. I'm not going to talk about it.

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Are you dealing cars or cocaine?

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Well, there's, I won't even go there.

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Dealer. Oh, that's interesting.

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But, do people then ask, people say, well, how come you're called Dealer?

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Well, they do, but it's none of their business.

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No, is that what you're saying?

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It's none of your business.

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I'll tell you if I needed you to know.

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It's none of your business. I'll cuss before I tell you.

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But, but it's interesting because one of the things I did was I dealt out names.

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And you, you, there's a science to it. There's this thing.

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And what you do is you observe people.

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Like there was a girl that was one of the instructors and she, during the training, it was after hours.

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And this is before GPS, before internet, like you have to say, okay, jump in the car, drive five minutes down this highway, make a left at the second light, you know, the way we used to do it.

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Right. And back when, when everything is in black and white. Yeah.

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But, but we were supposed to meet after hours and all of the instructors were going to get together for dinner.

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And she gave instructions. They were the worst instructions ever.

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Like we ended up not even getting together for dinner. It's like we couldn't find each other.

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They were like the worst instructions ever. So what did I name her?

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OnStar.

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And there's another. I like the satire in that.

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And then there's another guy. Now get this.

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This guy was, he's, he's maybe like five foot. I'm going to say about five foot eight, like not super stature, but not short short, but he wrote wore those round glasses with the wire frame, like almost like Ben Franklin glasses.

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And he was a former air traffic controller. And now he's a pilot. So there's all that.

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Well, being a former air traffic controller.

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And with his stature, if I got away to you're not drinking, she's drinking right now, but she's going to spray this.

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I'm not drinking. I'm drinking water, not gin. I need a gin.

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But I don't want you to spray my microphone.

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I'm covering my mouth.

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I don't want you to spit it. But so think of MASH. Think of MASH.

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MASH is the TV show.

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The TV show.

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Yes. But you'll have to remember I didn't grow up watching that because I grew up in England. So that's a very elusive concept.

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Okay. Well, there's this one of the characters on MASH is a guy named Radar. Did you know that?

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Oh, this won't even be funny then.

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Well, conceptually it might be.

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So there's this guy named Radar. You have to watch at least one episode.

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I will now.

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So you can find out who Radar was. So anyway, so I named him Radar.

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And every one of the instructors thought it was perfect because he was a former air traffic controller.

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He looked like Radar. It was like perfect.

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Well, I got called into the boss's boss's boss office and he's like enough of the names.

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And I'm like what? And this guy's name, his real name was Greg.

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What a humorless environment.

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Well, I know. But still it's their names and names are names are important. Right. But call signs are important.

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It's his fault though, isn't it?

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So and call signs are so important because like I can see somebody like I haven't seen my friend.

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I have some pilot friends from Detroit. They were in the guard.

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Kujo, Knocker, Knocker and Kujo, two of my best friends. Right.

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That you. You don't have like you don't even have to know their real name.

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Like you just know it's Knocker and Kujo.

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I don't even know. I don't remember the name. Right. You don't have to remember it.

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Well, so the names are important, especially like.

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So they called you in and they were angry with you.

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So Greg was there and he had my boss and his boss there and they were hands on hips and admonishing me like I was a five year old.

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And they're like enough of the call signs. I'm like, wait a minute.

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I mean, these are nicknames. It's fun. It's like all this stuff.

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And they're like, well, but, you know, Greg doesn't want to call sign.

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I'm like, well, that's the fun of it. Like, you know, it's kind of like camaraderie.

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It's a spree, a spree de corps. So they didn't understand your intention then.

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It was totally a loving kind. Like it's fun. Right.

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So I was like, OK, well, if he had to have a call sign, what what could it be?

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Like they're like no call signs. I say, well, Greg, what do you want us to call you then?

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He said, just Greg. I'm like, OK. So you heard him say it.

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Can I call him just Greg? And they're like, that's what he said.

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And I'm like, OK, great. You're just Greg. So we just called him just Greg.

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And he was OK with just Greg. Well, no, he wasn't.

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But he agreed to it. So we just. He didn't have much choice.

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So we went from radar to just Greg, but at least he had a name.

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But it even made it more funny because. Yeah.

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But I'm in a different place now. Like, I wouldn't push that issue.

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Yes. Because. But you're being very playful.

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I was being playful, but some people don't receive it that way. Yes.

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And so I think if you're insecure, you probably wouldn't.

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And that's not your problem, is it? You know. But you should be able to have it.

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What would my call sign be? Oh, I'm going to think of.

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OK, think about it. Let me know on the next podcast.

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Think about it. Oh, I can't. You can't force it. Oh, no.

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I said, no, we'll know on the next podcast. Oh, no.

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I know it's not in my mind what your call sign would be, but it'll come to me.

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Oh, you're going to give me a call. Yeah, I think we should give each other.

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Oh, my God. Yeah. OK, well, that'll be another one.

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If I don't like mine, you don't have permission to use it ever.

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Well, that makes it more fun because I'm using it.

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So anyway, so let's talk about this podcast.

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First of all, how did you feel about last week's podcast? I loved it.

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I felt I enjoyed it. And that's really, really important to me.

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I wouldn't want to slog my way through anything.

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I can't imagine you slogging your way through anything.

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So that was great. It was funny. It was energetic.

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We went all over the place. We can recapture themes that we glossed over.

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It's organic. And it's just us hanging out. And it's pretty right.

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It's very right. And so what do you think we could do?

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We could do better. Do you think it's like nothing? I like it.

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I'm the same. And maybe we'll get some feedback from some of the listeners.

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Well, I think also I think I haven't heard it in all her views.

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So I'd like to listen to this and review it. We've only heard ourselves.

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That might give me a better angle to think of what we could improve on.

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And then we can do that as of this moment.

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Yeah, I thought it was delightful. And I hope the listeners can just track with us

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and going in and out of all our craziness.

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I know we're talking about very important themes as well.

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That's what we're weaving. I want this to be fun.

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So there's this balance that we want to meet. We want to do the soul decodes,

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which I think is really important because ultimately we're on a journey.

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And so eternal journey. This never ends. It's so awesome.

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It's so funny. Can't wait. So so there's that.

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But also I want to give pragmatic, practical things that people can do.

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How do we actually apply this stuff? It's not just some esoteric, some some concept.

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It's not conceptual. It's actually how do we actually apply these things? Right.

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How did you do it? How did I do it? And then just have fun. I love laughter.

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My hope is that when people listen to this, that they they fall in love with you the way I have.

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You know, just I hope they can engage us and just be part of our family.

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Or they could just think we're the most boring bitches on the planet and never want to listen again.

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I know. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

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You know what? We're going to find out within a few episodes if it works or not.

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So so but how would you like today to go? This is your broadcast.

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Well, I think how would you like it to go? When we left off the last podcast,

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you had posed a question that we talk, we ask each other three things.

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So I could ask you something and I could preface it with my experience.

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So my question to you would be, what's the worst thing that's ever happened to you in terms of being in a dangerous situation?

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So real quick, I can just tell you about mine. I was over the Everglades and I was practicing a power on stall.

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I hadn't got my private pilot's license at that point.

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And I went into a power on stall and I was about 4000 feet.

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And I had to get out of the power on stall, which was I think opposite aileron and then just put the nose down.

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But I decided that I wanted to take it into a spin and recover from the spin at 4000 feet. Yes. Nice.

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So I took it into a spin and I knew how to get out of it.

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We weren't told to do that. We weren't allowed to go into a spin.

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And I got myself into a spin and I had to apply the techniques to get out of it.

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But there was a I don't know, maybe a couple of seconds, three second laps where I thought, fuck, Sarah, you better have got this right.

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Because if you haven't got this right, you are dead.

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You will just go into the spin and not recover.

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And I did. And I came out of it and we're all good.

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But that was the closest I'd come to being in a dangerous situation and only had myself to get myself out of it.

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So and it was there was two seconds of absolute, well, not fear, trepidation.

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OK, so I'm sweating now.

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And I never did. And I never did that again.

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That was like, OK, you got this. It's kind of self critiquing, isn't it?

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So it gosh. Thank you for sharing that.

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And this is with you. Were you solo or I was solo over the Everglades.

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I had about 40 hours and I was just practicing my maneuvers.

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My check ride was the following week. And yeah, I did.

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Yeah, that was rough. It's pretty sporty. It was.

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It's pretty idiotic. I call it self critiquing.

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Great way of putting it. So your question is loaded because the truth is I honestly was dangerous.

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Where did you face the most danger?

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I can honestly say I don't even know how I'm still alive because I've had so many of those instances.

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Goodness. So many of them.

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Danger comes in different forms. And I think that probably the scariest thing.

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But it's the situation that you've put yourself in because no one put me in that situation.

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Here I am in a 152. This is you are accountable for this danger.

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So there's been so many times where I've looked backwards at something I did.

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Well, like like drive a motorcycle way too fast, like way, way, way too fast.

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All right. When you're doing it, you're not thinking because you're just a kid, right?

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You're just. Oh, so you were young. I was very young.

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Yeah, I was 25. OK. I was younger than that. Yeah.

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But you're when you're when you're a kid, you don't think about that.

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But when I look backwards, I had no idea how how much danger I was in.

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So I get I get more upset about the danger I was in.

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Like the day I could have been wiped out in a heartbeat.

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But part of that was me because I could wipe someone else out.

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So round a bend on some gravel or something. Yeah.

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And there's that. But let's go back into this a little bit more because like

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I give you the short answer about the most dangerous thing, and that is when you have

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when you're in a T-38, which is the Air Force's supersonic trainer, it's the Thunderbirds

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used to fly the T-38 before they had the F-16s. Right.

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So I was an instructor pilot in there.

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So you'd have a student in your plane and then you'd have a solo student

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in the airplane right next to you. Oh, my goodness.

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So the most scary experiences are when you have that because you have two students

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that are flying against each other.

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I say against. They're in the same formation. In unison. In unison.

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But sometimes it feels like they're against each other.

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But they're learning. But when and especially if the student not in your flight,

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not in your cockpit, but in your flight.

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So there should be the solo student pilot who's on your wing is arrogant.

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That is that that was probably the scariest I've ever had.

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Wow. Because they're not coachable.

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Yeah, they're not reachable. They're in.

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And this guy came from a guard unit.

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So he already knew that he was going to graduate and go to an A-10,

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fly an A-10 Warthog, which is the tank killer.

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He already knew. So he's all about himself. And he was flat out dangerous.

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So complacent. Well, if you think you're that good and you're arrogant,

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you are going to be complacent.

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Well, there's there's an adage like pilots have all these sayings, right?

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But the old and bold. Yes, you know it.

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Tell it. Say, OK, there's no such thing as an old and bold pilot.

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Yeah, there is old pilots. Yeah, there's bold pilots.

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There are no old, bold pilots. Right. So but that's the case.

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So I basically told him to go to route, which means get off my wing

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and just take 50 feet to the side of me, just because. Right.

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When we're in formation, we're three feet apart. Wow. Close.

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Oh, yeah. It's three foot wing to the clearance. So I shook him off.

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I've sent him to listen to your command. He had to. Yeah.

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I said the ride's over. We're going back. So I terminated early.

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I came. It's called this. And then you have to take him into a debrief.

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Oh, totally. I took him with flight commander because he wasn't compliant.

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He was he was not doing what he was supposed to do.

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He wasn't obeying an instruction. No. It's insubordination. Exactly.

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So I had to fail him. I don't like to fail student pilots.

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But at some point when you're not see, we used to it's not all about skills.

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It's not all about skills. It's about what we call airmanship.

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Airmanship is simply are you thinking like a pilot?

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Are you thinking like an aviator? Are you thinking like a captain?

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Because anybody can fly an airplane, truly.

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But can you think so you can get all of your maneuvers correct?

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You can be perfect, perfect execution.

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But if you make boneheaded decisions, you fail. Yes.

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So I failed him for airmanship. Yeah. And yeah.

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What was his what was what was the decision that he made

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where you understood that he's arrogant and unreachable?

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Was it a breach of a direct order? Well, he did a

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there's information. What you do is you you send people you do rejoins.

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You have to practice. So what you do is you shake you shake the stick

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and they go out away from you and then they rejoin on you.

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And they're straight ahead rejoins. There's turning rejoins and things like that.

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One of the cardinal rules is that if you lose sight of your wingman

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or the other airplane, if you lose sight of them,

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there are procedures you have to go through. Right.

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Because if you don't know where that other airplane is,

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you can end up smacking them pretty easily. Quite. Quite.

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Well, what happened was we were doing a turning rejoin.

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He was on the inside of the turn. So his belly was up to up to me.

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So I'm looking up at the belly of his airplane and I know he couldn't see me

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because he was too high.

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Normally in a T-38, you'd be able to look at the other airplane just over the canopy rail

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and you'd be able to see the other airplane.

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But he was way too high and I know he couldn't see me.

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So I told him to break out and break out means that discontinue away from the plane.

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And the breakout means that he goes to one altitude, I go to the other

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and then we can rejoin after we're in sight.

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Because I saw him but I knew he couldn't see me. He didn't break out.

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He continued to close on me and my student was flying in the airplane.

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I'm flying. So the closure continued and I told my student pilot, I have the aircraft.

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Good. And I literally pulled my airplane up. Good for you.

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The student flew right underneath me. Good for you.

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So I just let him pass under me. You had to take control.

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Because he's not listening and he's not doing the right thing.

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He's not following protocol. My student wasn't strong enough to comprehend that.

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Why? Yes.

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We're about ready to get smacked by the other airplane.

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But things happen very quickly when you're at 350, 400 miles an hour.

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So that was probably the scariest life situation I've had.

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Yeah. That's a very, very interesting one.

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Can I just ask you, so when you talked to him in the debrief,

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was he irritated with you or himself? Did he get what was going on?

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Oh, yeah. Or was he trying to defend himself?

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No, he parked his airplane and he was storming off like a spoiled brat.

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Oh, was he? But that didn't last long because my flight commander was...

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He was very...he understood what was going on there.

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Because this was evidently not the first time this child had behaved that way.

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And the flight commander explained to him, yes, you're going back to an A-10.

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Yes, you will be flying a cool airplane only after you graduate.

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And if you don't graduate, you're not going to that airplane.

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So keep your priorities. Learn what you need to learn.

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So I thought the flight commander did an amazing job settling that boy.

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And did he settle? Did he turn out to be a good pilot?

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Well, he graduated. Right.

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I don't know if he's a good pilot. I don't even know if he's still alive.

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But I did what I could do. So that's a really good question.

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But you have...I mean, in that case, you have three lives.

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You have a, what, multimillion dollars worth of equipment.

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You've got to think quickly, get down.

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And so basically, that experience for you was based on the arrogance

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and complacency of someone else. And he wasn't in the right formation.

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He should have been able to see you. And he couldn't.

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Well, he lost sight. He should have broken out by himself.

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He didn't. I directed him to break out. He didn't.

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And then you had to break out. So I had to remedy it.

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So it was airmanship, but it was also the rejoin.

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He failed the rejoin because he lost sight.

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It's not about losing sight. It's about not doing the procedures.

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So very good question. Wow.

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I didn't expect we'd be talking about aviation today.

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Well, it might come into it now and again.

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That's where I met my husband. He was doing his instrument rating.

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And that's where we met. So that's kind of a unites us in a little way.

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It's kind of fun. So now it's my turn to ask a question.

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I have to have a sip of my gin. It's water. It's clear fluid.

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So last time we had our first episode, we talked briefly about belief systems.

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We talked about beliefs and I have a perspective on what beliefs are.

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So there's like beliefs and there's truths and in your mind,

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how do you personally discriminate between what is a belief and what is truth?

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Does truth actually exist? Well, like what is truth?

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Yes. So truth would be what is beautiful,

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what is as good as beautiful and what is the best outcome.

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So truth has to be beauty. It has to be coherent and beautiful for it to even stand as the truth.

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If it isn't beautiful and it's not coherent, it's not likely to be the truth

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because whoever or what created this reality is a beautiful, benevolent, lovely being,

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whatever this God structure looks like.

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So for me, truth is always going to be associated with beauty and with love

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and something workable, something reasonable. That's how I ascertain what I believe truth to be.

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So when I look at the human condition, the heaven on earth is the truth for me

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because it's beautiful and human flourishing is for everyone.

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No one's going to hell and everyone graduates this human cycle.

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So truth to me is always contingent upon a beautiful, loving, happy outcome.

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That's how I determine cosmic truth. That is so beautiful.

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That actually very much complies with or conforms with my view

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because one of the things I struggled with as a child was, you know, I mentioned, you know,

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there's this Jesus figure and I thought, how can a father, like the story is

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that there's this father who slaughtered his son,

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who sacrificed his son to relieve us of our sins, of our responsibility.

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A scapegoat is an appalling doctrine.

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That story never resonated with me. I'm not saying it's not true.

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So if there's Christians out there, I'm not, I don't want the hate mail.

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I'm not saying it's not true.

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Send in mail if you'd like to talk about it.

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I'd love to hear about it. But the story never made sense to me because...

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How could it?

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Well, here's the question. Like, you know, again, I'm not about badgering one religion or another.

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I'm just trying to make sense of things.

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So the reason is within the construct of truth versus belief.

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That's my question. Like, how do you discern between a truth and a belief?

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They're not interchangeable terms for me. Truth is one principle.

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A belief system is what we're all doing.

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We're all forming a belief system about the nature of this reality,

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whether we realize it or not. Who am I? What am I doing here?

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Where am I going? Where did I come from?

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How does the doing happen?

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And what are the mechanisms that keep this whole thing in place?

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And I have a belief system which I have plucked from all religions

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because I've always tried to get to truth and truth is love.

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Truth is beauty. Truth is a good outcome for everyone.

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But a belief system could be completely erroneous.

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There could be no truth in someone's belief system

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because the belief system itself is a very poor quality.

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So a belief system is not an interchangeable term with truth.

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Excellent. So this is very much in line with what I was sharing

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because when I was a child and looking at the Jesus figure

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and listening to the Jesus story as an example,

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my idea was like I couldn't comprehend how a parent could do that to a child.

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And I also thought, well, wait a minute, he's being sacrificed.

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To whom is he being sacrificed?

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Yes, and why?

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And why? I never understood anything.

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I still don't.

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No, I don't either. You can't fathom it.

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Because to me it's not fathomable because it's a piece of mythology.

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It's not the truth.

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Now you and I both have kids.

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We wouldn't ask one of our oldest child,

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we wouldn't punish our oldest child for the actions of a middle child

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or a younger child because we would know it would be totally unreasonable

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and totally unloving to do that, not just in any way.

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So you and I would never do that just as parents.

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We'd never punish a child for the other one's mistakes.

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We'd never lord another child.

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And I can just see it in motherhood.

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Now if I wasn't going to do that to my child and I wouldn't,

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why would God do that to us?

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Why would he pick out a scapegoat and say this person is going to be brutalized

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and scourged and damaged and tortured because you all fuck things up?

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A, no one's fucked anything up because there's actually nothing wrong with this planet.

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We can get to that.

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But we would never put that as a human being on another human being.

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And the fact that we think God is capable of doing that

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would not be a truthful version of God as far as I'm concerned

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because it's just not loving.

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Fair.

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So we're fine tuning this idea of what is a truth and what is a belief.

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And so what I've learned over my lifetime is that

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when I observe the world around me,

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that there's certain things that reinforce certain things I believe

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and there's things that pop holes in or punch holes in some of my beliefs.

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So as a child I wanted to believe the narratives that I was growing up.

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There's all sorts of narratives.

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When I look at history, there's all of this history that were put forth into us.

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The Pilgrims, they were friends with the Indians.

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They loved each other and shared technologies.

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Okay, that's great.

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And they ate turkey and made soft dip ice cream.

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I mean, it's like...

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Now you're being facetious.

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Really?

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So there's these beliefs.

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But then I liken the truth to being us.

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There's only one truth.

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Whatever the truth is, none of us know all of it.

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So if I were to invite you and Tony over for dinner with us

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and afterwards we're going to make a thousand piece puzzle,

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get some good lighting, a little sip of wine or whatever you want,

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and then we're going to make a puzzle,

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you're going to have some pieces and you're going to synthesize

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or try to piece together what is this?

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Is this a barn? Is this a car? Is this a tractor?

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What is this, right?

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And I'm going to look and say, is this a dog or a deer?

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Or is this like a piece of hay?

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Or a Barbie doll.

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A Barbie doll.

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And what is this?

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And we're going to collaborate.

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You're going to say, oh my goodness,

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it looks like these pieces belong here,

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so why don't you take these and I'll say,

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oh, you're working on the barn.

435
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000
I'll give you these pieces and we're going to collaborate.

436
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000
And you're going to share little bits of information

437
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000
about what you see.

438
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Believe the truth to be.

439
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,000
What you believe the truth to be,

440
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000
which is ultimately what this big puzzle is.

441
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,000
Well, what you've got to bring into that,

442
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000
if you've got belief in truth, you've got to bring what faith is.

443
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
So we have to try and understand what faith means.

444
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,000
To me, I understood that in order to arrive

445
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000
at the correct belief system that was going to allow me

446
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
to create the reality that I'm living in,

447
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000
I had to have faith in the magnificence of God.

448
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Whatever this God is, is so impeccable, so awesome,

449
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,000
and that there's some amazing plan for everyone on planet Earth.

450
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,000
So that was the trajectory that faith was,

451
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:21,000
an air-type faith was what I needed in order to establish

452
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000
a belief system so I could arrive at truth.

453
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000
So faith is a critical factor.

454
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000
You've got to be really, really careful

455
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,000
about what God-type you believe in.

456
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,000
I like what you said, but I'm a little bit lost.

457
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:42,000
So you're suggesting that faith is a precondition?

458
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Yes, it should be.

459
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,000
What about people who don't have faith,

460
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000
they don't believe in God, they don't...

461
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,000
They still have beliefs.

462
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000
Yes, so they have beliefs.

463
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000
My brother is an atheist.

464
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000
Tell me about atheism.

465
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
I have family members that are atheists,

466
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
and I love them like crazy.

467
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,000
They're some of the most beautiful, beautiful people in the world.

468
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,000
So I know this is...

469
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000
I don't know if this is where you wanted to go with the questioning.

470
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,000
There's no structure to this.

471
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000
No, let's just roll with it.

472
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,000
But I'm trying to ask questions that people in the world might ask.

473
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,000
So what about atheists?

474
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,000
I don't want the answer from a religious answer.

475
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000
I have no interest in religion.

476
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Religion is good for wars. That's about it.

477
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Really?

478
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000
That's it.

479
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
But in terms of...

480
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
You mentioned that people need to have faith,

481
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000
and they have to have a belief system and things like that.

482
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,000
Where does this leave the atheists?

483
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Outwinging it, in the dark, in the cold.

484
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000
Not a belief system that I...

485
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000
Because my brother's an atheist.

486
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Tell me about that.

487
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
And so he doesn't believe...

488
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Well, we said this at the beginning.

489
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000
You opened with this.

490
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,000
It's very difficult when you see...

491
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,000
I don't know whether we recorded this or it was pre-recording.

492
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,000
It's very difficult to reconcile the existence of God

493
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,000
with the world that suffers so much.

494
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,000
So my brother's like that.

495
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,000
He cannot believe the suffering,

496
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000
and he cannot understand that a God would create it.

497
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
So therefore, there is no God.

498
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,000
He just believes his life is about being the best version of himself.

499
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,000
He believes that when he dies, his consciousness will be extinct,

500
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
that it's not going to go on anywhere.

501
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
If it does, he'll work that out when he gets to it.

502
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,000
My husband, he's not quite as a hardcore atheist as my brother,

503
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,000
but he doesn't necessarily believe in a bigger picture.

504
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
And he's not too worried about that,

505
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,000
because what he wants to do is be of service in this life,

506
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,000
take care of his family, and be a good, righteous person

507
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000
without any idea of wanting to talk about the transcendent,

508
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,000
about God, about what reality looks like.

509
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,000
I, for some reason, am wired differently,

510
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000
and I'll talk about this awakening I had when I was 33,

511
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,000
but I think some people are born pre-wired not to consider God.

512
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,000
A favorite philosopher of mine and a neuroscientist is Sam Harris.

513
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,000
He understands the structures of the mind

514
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
and is quite spiritual in his practices,

515
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,000
but he doesn't need to understand the bigger reality

516
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000
and doesn't necessarily believe there is one.

517
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000
He's more agnostic than atheist,

518
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000
and I think some people are necessarily wired like that,

519
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,000
and a lot of people aren't.

520
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,000
If you look at humanity over the, what, a couple of hundred thousand years,

521
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,000
most of us are pre-wired to think there is a bigger picture,

522
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,000
and we're all trying to find what that is.

523
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Most of humanity has lived and died trying to find answers to God.

524
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Very few people are atheists, and if they are,

525
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,000
it's because they can't reconcile suffering with the existence of a God,

526
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,000
and I totally get that because this is a brutal, brutal planet.

527
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,000
I mean, there's people dying and being tortured right now as we speak,

528
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000
and I totally get why people wouldn't believe in a God.

529
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,000
It's a very easy thing to incorporate into your belief system,

530
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
and that is a belief system in itself.

531
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,000
The non-existence of God is part of a belief system.

532
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000
So this is a good segue to my next question I was going to ask you.

533
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Oh, my God, I'm nervous again.

534
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:27,000
Okay, so is there a devil and demons and dark forces that influence us?

535
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Yes or no?

536
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000
It's not as easy as that.

537
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:37,000
So, yeah, well, light has no meaning without dark.

538
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
In has no meaning without out.

539
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Up has no meaning without down.

540
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Bravery has no meaning without cowardice.

541
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
So we live in a world of polarity.

542
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,000
So, yes, there is darkness because we wouldn't know light if there wasn't.

543
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000
So we live with the contrast.

544
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000
But my question was specifically...

545
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000
Demons, ugly little trolls coming out the walls.

546
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Well, you know, for real, like there's the flip Wilson,

547
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000
remember the devil made me do it, you know.

548
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Do you remember that?

549
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000
I believe that the devil...

550
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000
I think it's a very, very...

551
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,000
How could I put this politely?

552
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,000
The devil is basically saying, well, the devil made me do it.

553
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,000
That's what you were just referencing.

554
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000
There's no accountability in that.

555
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,000
And you're not likely to work on yourself if you believe that a devil

556
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000
or a dark force is possessing you.

557
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
So it's a very, very disempowering limited belief system.

558
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,000
So I don't believe in the devil, but I do believe that there's a necessity

559
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,000
on this planet for darkness so we can seek the light.

560
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Okay.

561
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000
This is a very relevant question because I actually have family members

562
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000
that are very, very hardcore Christian.

563
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Salvation, the devil, demons, the whole thing.

564
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,000
And I was recently asked the question whether or not I believed

565
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
that there was a devil.

566
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
So I asked you the question because I was...

567
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Yeah, so what was your answer?

568
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Well, you know, I said that the question is not...

569
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000
The answer is not relevant.

570
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:14,000
And the reason I said it's not relevant is I do...

571
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000
When you wargame this out, I say wargames.

572
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,000
When you look at all the potentialities and you evaluate them

573
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,000
and you just kind of think it through logically,

574
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,000
it's not relevant because of how we live our lives.

575
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,000
So my answer to this person, and it was a private conversation,

576
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
so I don't want to disclose who it was,

577
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,000
but was that whether or not there's a devil is not of any consequence

578
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,000
to me for a couple of reasons.

579
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:52,000
First of all, I believe that the idea of a devil is an archetype

580
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,000
that is, because we are humans, because we are We the Peoples...

581
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
I don't like human, I like We the People.

582
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,000
But because we're We the Peoples, we want to express things,

583
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000
we want to animate things, we want to give things life

584
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,000
that we don't understand, we don't comprehend.

585
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,000
Anthropomorphize things.

586
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Isn't that the term we need to personify something?

587
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,000
That's the term you use. I don't even attempt that word.

588
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000
I have to try better next time.

589
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,000
But here's an example.

590
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,000
So we're in the studio, let's just say there's no moon,

591
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,000
it's night time, we walk up here, it's pitch black.

592
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000
And we walk into this room and I say,

593
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000
Sarah, what do you see?

594
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000
And you say, I can't say anything, it's pitch black.

595
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,000
So what do you see? I see darkness.

596
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Are you really seeing darkness?

597
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Can you really see darkness?

598
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000
Well, you're seeing the absence of light.

599
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000
You're seeing the absence of light.

600
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000
Same thing like, what is evil?

601
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Well, is evil, is it a thing or is it the absence of love

602
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
and goodness and kindness?

603
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,000
It doesn't have an independent existence,

604
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,000
it only has an existence based on the fact that we live

605
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000
in a world of polarity and opposites.

606
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Well, and again, but we, again, the archetype of a devil

607
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
is we're trying to bring something to life,

608
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000
that there's nothingness.

609
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Here's a better example.

610
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,000
If I took a chamber and I sucked all the air out of it,

611
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000
that's just a vacuum, you'd call it a vacuum.

612
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000
And I'd say, well, what is this?

613
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000
And you'd say, I'd say, what's in there?

614
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
And you'd say, it's a vacuum.

615
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Well, but there's nothing in there.

616
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,000
It's the absence of air.

617
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,000
It's the absence of air.

618
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Yeah.

619
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000
So the conversation is like, we give it a name,

620
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
we call it a vacuum, but it's nothingness.

621
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,000
So whether it's light or a lack of light,

622
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,000
whether it's love or a lack of love,

623
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,000
or whether it's air or a lack of air,

624
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,000
we tend to name things that don't exist.

625
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Yes.

626
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000
And we give them life, even though there's nothing there.

627
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Yes, we animated it with a false concept.

628
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,000
So the idea of like a polarity, like,

629
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000
and I'm familiar with, like, you make reference,

630
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
I don't know if it's in one of your books,

631
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000
or maybe it's a conversation we had,

632
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,000
but these seven spiritual laws and the law of as above,

633
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
so below, and the polarity and things like that.

634
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Yes, the Kabbalion.

635
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
The Kabbalion, yeah.

636
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
And I like to talk about that sometimes,

637
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,000
but this idea of the dark and the light,

638
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000
that's the visual representation of it,

639
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,000
but it's more an expression of the flow,

640
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
the in and out, the flow of life.

641
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
But I bring it up because I don't think that,

642
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,000
I don't think that the way we live our lives is,

643
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,000
it doesn't change whether there's a devil

644
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
or there's not a devil.

645
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,000
In other words, my capacity to love, to empathize,

646
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
to give charitably, and you're like one of the biggest

647
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000
charitable givers I've ever met.

648
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,000
You're so, every instance I've ever,

649
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,000
you tip better than anybody I know,

650
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000
you give more than anybody I know,

651
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,000
like you're such a beautiful giving heart.

652
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,000
The way you are is not going to be influenced

653
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,000
by whether there actually is a devil or there's not.

654
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,000
You're going to be your best version of yourself

655
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000
independent of whether or not there's a devil.

656
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,000
I wouldn't be able to be the best version of myself

657
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
independently from there's a devil

658
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,000
if I believe the devil to be real,

659
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
because I've met Christians who really believe

660
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,000
there's an evil force in this world,

661
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,000
and it compromises their own power because they're scared.

662
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,000
They're very scared that you've got this god and the devil

663
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000
fighting for supremacy and that human beings

664
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,000
are somehow pawns caught in this cosmic game.

665
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,000
So this plays very much into one of your themes in your book,

666
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000
that there's this idea of this big god

667
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000
and this tiny little human.

668
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Tell me more about that.

669
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000
So big god, little human,

670
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,000
that's the monotheistic belief in reality.

671
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,000
You've got this big god, he created this existence.

672
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,000
There was some horrible calamity back in the Garden of Eden

673
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,000
when Eve, she took a bite from an apple

674
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,000
because God had said you can't eat from this,

675
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000
and she did, and this is the knowledge of good and evil.

676
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,000
And I get that conceptually, and I can't get into that now

677
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,000
because it's like the whole chapter in the star-side prophecy.

678
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,000
We'll just do it next time.

679
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Yeah, we'll have to.

680
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Exactly.

681
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000
But you've got this big god, little human,

682
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:31,000
and it's actually more important to understand big god, big human,

683
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
and you've got the god who's big

684
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,000
and he's all knowing, all doing,

685
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,000
and he can create a miracle or he doesn't.

686
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,000
He can put favour on our life or he doesn't.

687
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,000
And that human beings are somehow just winging it, running around,

688
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,000
doing their best, but not understanding that they're all so big.

689
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,000
So this big god, little human is a tragic concept,

690
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,000
and it's one that a lot of my writing is written to address.

691
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,000
And then you've got this devil.

692
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,000
So the devil is this...

693
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,000
I mean, most Christians, I've known a lot of Christians,

694
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,000
I have beautiful Christian friends, and we can talk about spirituality,

695
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000
but I find that they're living in fear a lot

696
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,000
because they believe that some of the crappy things

697
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,000
that are happening in their lives is a result of the devil intervening.

698
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000
He gets into your mind.

699
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000
That's terrible, disempowering position.

700
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000
It's your own thoughts that are doing this.

701
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,000
This is you.

702
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,000
This is not an intervening, hostile, negative force from Satan

703
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,000
that God couldn't control because Satan's a former angel.

704
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,000
So if you believe in the existence of the devil,

705
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,000
you've also got to believe in the existence of the incompetency

706
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
of a god that couldn't control him.

707
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
So it was just a joke.

708
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000
No, but I get what you're saying.

709
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Okay, we've got probably time for two more questions.

710
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,000
One from you, one from me.

711
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
All right, you go first.

712
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Well, no, you go first.

713
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,000
I just asked you if there's a devil and we went in there.

714
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Okay, so I'm in your studio and I'm looking at your beautiful panelling on the wall

715
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,000
and I love it.

716
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,000
So this is creative.

717
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,000
It's beautiful.

718
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,000
I mean, you've got these beautiful panels, beautiful fabric,

719
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,000
and you created something that stops the sound bouncing around

720
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000
and it's beautiful artwork.

721
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,000
I listened to the sound from last week and it actually did a good job.

722
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Did it? So it's utilitarian.

723
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,000
A little bit of a carryover sound from the hard surfaces,

724
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000
but not bad for a studio.

725
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,000
So let me ask you, so you're creative.

726
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000
It's obvious that you're creative.

727
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Have you always been creative?

728
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Did you draw well as a kid?

729
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,000
Could you mould things from pottery?

730
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Now you're talking about you're an artist.

731
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,000
I didn't know that until I was older.

732
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,000
I didn't know that when I was a kid.

733
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000
I was told that I wasn't creative by my mother,

734
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,000
so I had no idea I was until I broke free from that conditioning.

735
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
Fascinating question.

736
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,000
So the root question, you're observing the creativity in the studio,

737
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,000
but you're...

738
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
We should put some pictures up of this, by the way.

739
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Okay, we can do that.

740
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,000
But your root question is that of creativity.

741
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:09,000
So the short answer on these particular sound panels is that I made them myself.

742
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,000
The fabric is from whatever was being cleared out at the fabric store.

743
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,000
Right.

744
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,000
It was a dollar a yard or something, and there's a wooden trim

745
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000
that's just pine stapled together.

746
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000
And did you mitre it yourself?

747
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000
I do all that myself, yeah.

748
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,000
And then the filler is an organic insulation.

749
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,000
So it's actually an attic insulation that's organic,

750
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,000
and I compressed it down, and it does a great job.

751
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,000
I mean, I could probably have more of them, maybe put some on the ceiling,

752
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000
but I'm just not there.

753
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000
But you created artwork out of them,

754
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
because you could have just done this in black fabric, right?

755
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000
But it's great.

756
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,000
So creativity...

757
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000
It wasn't creativity.

758
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,000
It's because I was...

759
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,000
Because you achieved it.

760
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Because I was broke.

761
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000
It was broken.

762
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,000
You know, when you look at those panels, let's be honest,

763
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,000
those panels, if I were to get those...

764
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,000
My brother, Jeff, is in Chicago.

765
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,000
He's arguably the best audio engineer in the world.

766
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,000
And I asked him, it's like,

767
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,000
hey, can you price out these noise abatement panels from my studio?

768
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,000
And were they expensive?

769
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Sister, they're crazy expensive.

770
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,000
And I'm like, yeah, I'm not doing that.

771
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Yeah.

772
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,000
So you...

773
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,000
I'd rather have my money...

774
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,000
You got creative out of the necessity of not wanting to pay through the nose,

775
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,000
plus believing that you could just put this together yourself.

776
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Welcome to my world.

777
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,000
Yeah.

778
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Because Robin and I have been married 29 years now,

779
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,000
and when we met, I said, just so you know, I'm broke.

780
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000
I have no money.

781
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,000
I have expense...

782
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,000
I was like...

783
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,000
I had so many expenses for my recent divorce.

784
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,000
I was so broke.

785
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,000
Like, we literally would look in our...

786
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,000
We would look in our cars to find...

787
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,000
To piece together $5 so we could share a meal.

788
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Wow.

789
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,000
I mean, that was...

790
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,000
So creativity for you was based out of necessity.

791
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,000
It was necessity.

792
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Yeah.

793
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Exactly.

794
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,000
So in that...

795
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,000
But now, you know, living on a farm, you're creative.

796
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Like, if you need that...

797
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000
Like, the other...

798
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,000
My farmhand was out here several Wednesdays ago,

799
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,000
and he's driving, and the wheel of the trailer fell off.

800
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,000
Oh.

801
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,000
And I'm like...

802
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Oh, my God.

803
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,000
I had the...

804
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,000
I whistled him down.

805
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,000
Did you see this happening?

806
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Yeah, I saw it happen.

807
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,000
It's just a little trailer.

808
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,000
It's like, you know, three foot by five foot,

809
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,000
you know, heavy duty wheels and stuff.

810
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,000
The wheel just departed, and it's...

811
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,000
He's dragging on the axle, and he doesn't even realize it.

812
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,000
So I whistled him down, flagged him down.

813
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,000
It's like, hey, stop, stop.

814
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,000
So I got the trailer, and I...

815
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,000
It turned out the cotter pin came off the axle.

816
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,000
Right.

817
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,000
And it departed.

818
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,000
Well, I don't have a cotter pin, so...

819
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000
So you got a hair grip.

820
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,000
So I got a nail.

821
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Oh, you did?

822
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,000
You bent it.

823
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,000
I put it in there, and I bent it around it.

824
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,000
I made my own cotter pin, you know?

825
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Great.

826
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,000
And he watched me do it, and it...

827
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,000
But you become very resourceful when you're on the farm.

828
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,000
Yeah.

829
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,000
Nothing goes to waste.

830
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,000
We recycle every food scrap.

831
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,000
Very satisfying way of living.

832
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:08,000
It's very gratifying, because you might have this little piece of lumber

833
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,000
or this little rod or this piece of plastic,

834
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000
and you don't know what it's going to be used for,

835
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,000
but you know you're going to use it for something.

836
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,000
Right.

837
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
And you become very...

838
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,000
You're like a MacGyver.

839
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,000
I don't know if you're familiar with MacGyver.

840
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,000
Yes, I know who he is.

841
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,000
You're almost like a MacGyver, because you're like, oh, my goodness.

842
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,000
To run out to the store, it's like...

843
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,000
It's a 25-minute excursion to get from here to the closest store.

844
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,000
And you've got to shop.

845
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Look what it...

846
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,000
And you're just going to do it yourself.

847
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,000
Yeah.

848
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,000
And you're like, you know what?

849
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,000
I need a piece of plastic.

850
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,000
It's here somewhere.

851
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,000
That's great.

852
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,000
But so, anyway, how did we get there?

853
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000
Well, I wanted to know, because it's very creative in here.

854
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,000
Your panels are very creative.

855
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,000
So creativity for you was out of necessity and self-reliance,

856
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,000
because you know that you can do it yourself.

857
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
So you've got a certain self-belief.

858
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Hey, I can do this.

859
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000
So there's a confidence that goes with that.

860
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000
Yeah.

861
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:03,000
So I think that the short answer on creativity is that it's...

862
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,000
Necessity is the mother of invention, which is creativity.

863
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,000
So, you know, I think that's a great saying because...

864
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,000
Me too.

865
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,000
...my whole life is about creatively solving problems.

866
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,000
And I think that we humans are so...

867
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,000
We, the people...

868
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,000
Are creative.

869
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,000
...are so creative.

870
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,000
Yeah.

871
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,000
And I...

872
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,000
Well, we're made in God's likeness, right?

873
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000
If that's true in the Bible, then we should be creative.

874
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000
And it's the creativity that's actually going to bring you alive.

875
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,000
And that's why I tell people, like, my clients, my students,

876
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,000
I call them my padawan.

877
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,000
Padawan.

878
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,000
Do you know what padawan is?

879
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,000
No.

880
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Okay.

881
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,000
I've heard of padawan in Utah.

882
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,000
So, yeah, are you familiar with the Star Wars?

883
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,000
More Star Trek than Star Wars.

884
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,000
Okay.

885
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,000
So Star Wars, you know, there's the Jedi Knights and there's Yoda.

886
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,000
There's these Jedi masters.

887
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Right.

888
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,000
Well, if you're a student Jedi Knight, then you're a padawan.

889
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,000
Padawan.

890
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000
So that's P-A-D-O-W-A-N.

891
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,000
P-A-D-A.

892
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,000
P-A-D-A.

893
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,000
W-A-N.

894
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,000
Padawan.

895
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Padawan.

896
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,000
Wow.

897
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:06,000
So I'm on a Ninja Warrior Knight in training.

898
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Love it.

899
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,000
So I treat all of my students like padawans.

900
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,000
I want to be a padawan.

901
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,000
You are a padawan.

902
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,000
You are.

903
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,000
I know a padawan when I see one.

904
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,000
I'm going to get a bumper sticker.

905
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,000
I am padawan.

906
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,000
So, but one thing I teach them is that, you know, I ask them the question,

907
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,000
obviously from last episode until I said, who are you and why are you here?

908
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,000
And we have this discussion about their soul and you're on a journey.

909
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
We usually, we come to this agreement.

910
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,000
I let them, I use the Socratic method, which means I'm going to ask them the questions

911
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,000
and I'm going to ask them questions based on their answers.

912
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,000
Yes, yes.

913
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,000
And let them come to some conclusion of their own.

914
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,000
I'm not going to tell them what to think or how to think, but I'm going to ask,

915
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,000
skillfully ask questions to let them come to some conclusions.

916
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Yes.

917
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,000
So I ask, so I'll ask the questions like, Sarah, do you believe you have a soul?

918
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Yes, I do.

919
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:06,000
So did your soul come to be part of you when you were conceived or was it before you were conceived?

920
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,000
And when you leave this earth space, does your soul stop or is it going to go someplace?

921
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,000
Well, that yes to all of that is part of my belief system.

922
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,000
I have no idea, right?

923
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,000
Because none of us know, but part of my belief system is my soul live prior to its existence in another body.

924
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,000
And I think I've been animals, dinosaurs, fish, reptiles, going right back down to plankton.

925
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,000
I believe the evolution of my soul has been animating all sorts of different forms.

926
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:35,000
No way of proving that, but that would be the essence of my belief system based on the fact that there's evolution

927
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:41,000
and it's a massive journey that we started on billions of years ago and it's going into eternity.

928
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,000
So that would be your answer.

929
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Yeah.

930
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,000
And everybody has a different answer.

931
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,000
Some people just say, I have no idea.

932
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,000
No idea.

933
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,000
Well, we don't.

934
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,000
And that's fair because we don't.

935
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,000
I don't know either.

936
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,000
We don't know anything.

937
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,000
And so it's winging it, trying to explore life and putting a belief system together.

938
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Well, that's why we're decoding this.

939
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,000
That's right.

940
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,000
There we go.

941
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,000
We're going to figure this out.

942
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,000
So decoders.

943
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000
We're going to figure this out.

944
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:08,000
So, but I ask those questions because I want them to comprehend that this is a journey for them.

945
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Yeah.

946
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,000
See, in the Western world, we're all about like getting there.

947
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:19,000
It's making that million dollars or getting that car or that home or that boat or whatever.

948
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000
It's I'll be happy when I get there.

949
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,000
I know.

950
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,000
I've never had.

951
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,000
So what I try to express is that can you be happy on the journey?

952
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Can you get to a point like, okay, you want to be a millionaire?

953
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
I'll show you how to do that.

954
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,000
I've done it.

955
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,000
You've done it.

956
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,000
It's not hard to do.

957
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,000
You have to get past yourself.

958
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,000
But so being a millionaire is not going to make you happy.

959
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,000
No, but you don't know that on this side.

960
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,000
You don't.

961
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,000
No, you don't.

962
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,000
You would have asked me that.

963
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,000
I would have told you I need a lot of money and I need a really nice house, a flashy car,

964
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,000
and I would have thought I'll be happy.

965
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,000
And all that happened to me, had a ton of money, had everything I wanted, and I wasn't happy.

966
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,000
And that's when I started writing, Is this the best God could do?

967
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Because I prayed that night and I said, you'd better show me something that I'm not getting because I am not happy.

968
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,000
And I thought I had everything and I thought money was part of that and it isn't.

969
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,000
But it does buy you freedom and opportunity.

970
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,000
So I'm not knocking what money does, but no money.

971
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,000
Any type of you've got to be happy in the journey.

972
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Once you're happy in the journey, you can become a millionaire.

973
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,000
That's really easy to do if you get your thoughts right.

974
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:30,000
All you need is to have faith, a vision, and you execute that just by upping your vibration in the moment.

975
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,000
So I have sympathy for people who believe that money can make them happy.

976
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:39,000
Now, if you were to ask a homeless man in Skid Row in Los Angeles, would money help you?

977
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,000
He's going to say yes.

978
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,000
He's going to absolutely stake his life on the fact that if he had money, he'd be happier.

979
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,000
And he would to some degree because he'd have more security.

980
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,000
He'd have more freedom.

981
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,000
He'd have food.

982
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,000
He would have a lot of things.

983
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,000
But happiness doesn't come from having millions.

984
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,000
It doesn't.

985
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000
So you've reinforced the journey.

986
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,000
I think we both agree it's the journey.

987
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,000
So the sole decode is about figuring out the journey.

988
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:10,000
So I don't want this to go too far because I don't want these because I could talk to you for hours.

989
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:16,000
But but so now I get to ask you one more question and we'll close out and then we'll pick up another one.

990
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,000
So, OK, but let's take notes about what we do next episode.

991
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,000
That'd be great.

992
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,000
So my question to you is this.

993
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000
You have so many cool things happening.

994
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,000
You've got a charitable foundation.

995
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000
You've got books you've written.

996
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,000
You're starting this podcast with me.

997
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:45,000
What would you if I were your fairy godmother and I gave you a blank piece of paper and I said, whatever you put on this piece of paper is going to manifest this year.

998
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,000
What are what's at least one thing?

999
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:53,000
But what are some of the things you'd put for yourself on this blank piece of paper on this blank piece?

1000
00:54:53,000 --> 00:55:00,000
What would you put on there that's going to manifest this year?

1001
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,000
Everything.

1002
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,000
Everything.

1003
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000
That's huge. That's a big number.

1004
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,000
That's big.

1005
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Yeah, because I've been working for nearly 25 years towards this.

1006
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,000
So it's not like this is just happening in this podcast.

1007
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,000
There's massive backstory behind this.

1008
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,000
OK, we're going to find out about that.

1009
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,000
It sounds like a good prelude for next.

1010
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Yeah, let's bring let's make that the first topic.

1011
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,000
What's everything mean?

1012
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,000
What's everything?

1013
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,000
OK, so let's close up.

1014
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,000
Any closing thoughts for our listeners this week?

1015
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000
Inspect your mind.

1016
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,000
Inspect your mind.

1017
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:38,000
Even if you can't stop what you're thinking, just try and become aware that you are thinking.

1018
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:43,000
That's a huge stepping stone towards happiness.

1019
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,000
Excellent.

1020
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,000
And I'd say my my closing thought is to enjoy the journey.

1021
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:54,000
Every one of us thinks that happiness is the next turn, the next corner, the next achievement.

1022
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,000
I'm going to just say that happiness is a decision.

1023
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Yes.

1024
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,000
And we can cover that choice.

1025
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,000
I know that's a let's start with that.

1026
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,000
Happiness is a decision we have to start.

1027
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,000
OK, cool. I'll see you next week.

1028
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,000
Thank you again.

1029
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,000
Thank you so much.

1030
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,000
Love you so much. Take care.

1031
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,000
All right. Bye.

1032
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,000
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