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Welcome to the Once Upon a Trip podcast, where we dive deep into sharing everything

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crazy travel stories, dating adventures, culture fusions, and plenty of takeaways to entertain

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and feed your inner curiosity and travel bug.

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I'm your host, Mary Grace Crawford, travel enthusiast, content creator, ex-Digital Nomad,

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avid storyteller, and lover of all things Europe, based now in Atlanta, Georgia.

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This is going to be a very short and sweet episode intro, since we have a whole lot of

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fun and funny stuff about all things France that we'll be diving into today.

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This one was just a ton of fun and beyond to record with my good friend and old classmate

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from university, Josh.

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We both studied, lived, and worked in different parts of France in the past, and we both now

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live here in the US, not too far from each other.

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We hope that you get some good laughs and maybe even some tears out of this as much

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as we did, and that you take away some fun new facts and tips about visiting France,

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meeting French people, and understanding French culture just a little bit better from the

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American perspective and experience.

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You can go through the timestamps and skip along as you like, but I do think that all

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of the info included in this episode is very either funny or useful in some kind of way.

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So listen to all of it if you can.

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Without further ado, allons-y.

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Let's go and jump right into this.

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Okay, so we are recording.

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How official does this feel, Josh?

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It feels very official.

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I never felt so important in my life.

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We are literally sitting in Josh's kitchen as we record.

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Well, actually, it's not kitchen, but we're sitting in the living room, and this is just,

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I don't know, this is the funniest setup ever to me.

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But I'm so happy that you're part of today's episode, Josh.

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No, thank you for having me.

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I feel honored.

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I'm more than happy, of course, to have you on as a guest and to really dive into our

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all things France journey.

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Yes.

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Oh my God, there's so much with that.

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Truly.

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Let's start off with you introducing yourself just a little bit for our listeners.

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No problem.

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So I'm Joshua.

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I am from the US.

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I have lived in France multiple times.

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So the first time was studying abroad and then another time teaching over there.

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I am an English teacher.

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I've been teaching English for a long time since 2017, and I've taught in college level,

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high school, middle school, still doing it all.

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So it's a lot, but it's fun.

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I really enjoy it.

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I enjoy helping people.

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France was one of the first countries that I taught English and was quite the journey

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to say the least.

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It was quite the journey, I think, for both of us because I also have lived in France

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on two different occasions.

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And yeah, both times were really an experience for completely different reasons.

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But Josh and I were actually, well, we could say classmates.

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We were classmates on the same study abroad program in the south of France, and we studied

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in Montpied right on the Mediterranean coast.

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All so beautiful.

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So good.

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What are some memories that you have of our study abroad time together, Josh?

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So well, first, my host family was incredible.

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They were from Senegal, and so I got a lot of Senegalese culture, a lot of their food.

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My host dad was a chef, so I had only good meals there.

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I felt very welcome.

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That was a lot of fun for sure.

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I remember one of the people we studied abroad with was deprived of good food, and so she

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wanted to come to my house to experience good food.

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Yeah, she cried when she had my host dad's food because it had flavor, it had seasoning.

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Her host mom didn't even know how to use salt and pepper, so yeah.

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She's complaining the whole time.

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It's like, this isn't food.

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This isn't food.

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And then my host dad made enough food for her to take home, so she had to opt over.

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I think she came again a second time because it was so good.

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Oh my gosh.

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Why did I never know about this?

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This is hilarious.

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No, that was a lot of fun.

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You know, you're kind of nervous about to live with a whole different family, and they

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They were very kind.

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I remember one of our last weeks, we finally had free time because we never had free time

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when we were over there because we were doing so much homework.

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So we went out to the discotheque.

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Oh my gosh.

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I so remember that.

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That was such a fun time.

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It was.

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And then I remember it was like 3 a.m. or something, and I was trying to get in the

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door and he had put the key in the door so I couldn't get in with my key.

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I'm like, oh crap, I'm going to have to wake up the entire household.

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But he was already awake.

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And so he opened the door.

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He's like, Joshua, did you have fun?

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It's like, yes, thank you so much.

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So he wasn't even angry that I came in at like three in the morning because he actually

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had his own like car business that he did at night because it was corresponded with

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the times in his country.

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He sold cars from France to Senegal.

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That is wild.

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I mean, I'm learning just as much as everyone listening is.

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I am literally very intrigued by all of this.

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What fun times this all is.

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And then including all of us when we all went to set, that was probably one of the highlights

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of my trip.

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That was so fun.

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It was like not even an hour away from Montpellier.

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And then we had zero expectations, which is the best because they have like fresh seafood

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and it was super cheap and then cheap beer.

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And so we're just eating all these muscles and drinking all this beer and spending hardly

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anything.

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It was that was incredible.

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We went to the beach there.

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I think we did.

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Yeah, it was really cool.

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That was one of the very first outings I think that we all had as a group.

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How many people in our group were there?

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It wasn't that many.

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I think we were there were about like 10 to 12 of us.

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Even that sounds quite like a bit.

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I don't know why I'm thinking it was like eight.

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Well, you thought it was eight because that one one of them, she would never come to class

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to too important for us studying for a job interview the entire time.

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But no, that was good for her.

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She got her her job.

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Not the language, but no, not the language.

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No, but I do remember set.

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I also remember when we all went to I guess it was very close to set, but that beach near

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Montpiedier or in Montpiedier, I think it was called Palavas de Flotte.

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Do you remember that?

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Nope.

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I mean, I think I remember going, but I do not remember that name at all.

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I only remember it just because we actually I don't know how I remember it, but I do.

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And I just know that it was in that area and we didn't go to the beach that much.

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That brings me to one of the questions that I wanted to get to.

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You know, Paris is like this really touristy, popular, world renowned place.

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But I'm curious to know what your opinion of Paris is just based on your experience

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being there and traveling there.

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Are you very fond of Paris or do you feel like, oh my God, this is?

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Like a shithole or do you feel like?

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So I do love Paris, but it is also a shithole.

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I would second that.

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I agree.

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When most people who haven't gone to Paris imagine Paris, they have a very picturesque

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image of the city.

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And it's true that it is very beautiful, but it's also important to remember it is a city.

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It's where people live.

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So don't treat it like an amusement park because it's not.

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I mean, if you've been to New York or Chicago or a big city, it's like that in the sense

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that people are not there to like be welcoming.

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It's like, oh, hello.

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Welcome to Paris.

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No, you're not going to get that.

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But there's so many things that you can do.

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It's like there's always something that you can do at any time of the day there.

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It's very beautiful.

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However, it's important to understand that French people are, especially Parisians, I

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think are very vocal about their opinions.

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And so they are going to go on strike.

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They are going to have manifestations.

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And so if you're going to go over there and you're going to act like, oh, this is a beautiful

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city.

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I'm just here to see Eiffel Tower and blah, blah, blah, expect like delays, expect especially

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because I went there last year to visit friends and I had already been so I already knew the

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system.

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But like they were not picking up the trash.

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So there was trash all in the streets.

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And like I already I was like, OK, that's normal for me just to like see.

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But I could imagine someone going to Paris for the first time being so disappointed seeing

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trash everywhere on the streets.

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And the streets are not that big.

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No, they're not.

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They're small and so you're walking around the trash and it's kind of disgusting.

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A lot of people take advantage of Paris and I think you need to be respectful when you

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I really enjoy Paris.

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I think it's a good city.

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I personally would not want to live there.

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Living in Paris would be hell.

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I mean, especially with all the delays.

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and the delays.

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Also, I remember when Josh lived in Lyon, I actually went to visit him.

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And I don't know if you remember this, Josh, but I think we were in the city center.

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There was tear gas being released.

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I think that was almost every week.

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So weekly basis, my Roman Empire.

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Oh my gosh, that was so funny and we were just running in the streets of Lyon and we

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were running away from tear gas because I think Gilets Jaunes was having a protest.

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The yellow jackets.

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Yes, the yellow jackets.

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How would you describe what that protest is about for people who don't know?

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It's been a while since I thought about that.

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I think originally they were protesting because of the gas prices.

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normal thing, but then it just escalated and then it just was like an excuse for people

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to like damage the cities around France.

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your car breaks down at night.

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And so you have to wear a yellow jacket so that way people can see you if you're outside

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of your car on the side of the road.

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And so that's why people have these yellow jackets.

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I learned something new.

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Oh, why did I not know that?

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That's so funny.

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So that's been a law for a long time.

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Oh, I don't know about how long the law has been implemented, but that's why people had

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them.

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So it's not like they went out and just bought them for the manifestation.

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Then living over there and then seeing how everything plays out, that's a completely

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different level of frustration.

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Yeah, no, I agree with that.

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I mean, living in France is definitely different than studying and also being a tourist.

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So when we taught English in France, let's hear some funny stories of teaching students

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in France, or at least just some funny things you saw.

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Like is there anything weird or anything funny that you remember happening in class one day

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or happening?

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Maybe at school.

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I don't know if I remember what happened in the classrooms that were particularly funny,

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but I remember one day the teachers were handing out these slips because the teachers were

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going to go on strike.

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And so they needed like the students' parents to know, it's like, don't come to class for

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this time because we won't be here.

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Like I could never imagine that happening here in the US where it's just like, oh, we're

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going to be on strike, so don't come to school.

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to redo the test for their last year's students.

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I forget what the test is called, going to blink out on the name.

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So they were going to redo that test to where it would be national instead of regional or

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maybe even by school.

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And so people who came from working class families felt that that wasn't fair because

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they didn't receive as good as an education as other places in France.

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the kids had a fire there.

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And then I was going to school, there was a fire outside the school.

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And then like people had thrown rocks into the school.

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So there was like, it wasn't bullets, but it looked like bullets because they had thrown

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rocks there.

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And I'm like, I don't want to die trying to help these kids like English today because

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they're, oh, that was wild.

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Oh my gosh.

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Yeah.

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I don't think I had a wild crazy time like that.

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That is so, oh my gosh, that's so funny.

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Well, I worked in a neighborhood that is not the best in Lyon.

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It wasn't even in Lyon.

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It's a place called Venetia.

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And I do not recommend visiting because it was not the most welcoming neighborhood.

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And on a serious note, one of my students actually lost his eye because a police officer

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shot him in the eye and he lost it.

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Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

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Because he was throwing rocks at the police.

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So yeah, it's definitely not like what we have here in the US.

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Sure, we have our own problems, but the kids are not starting fires in front of the school.

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And throwing rocks and being shot in the eye.

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Right.

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Like, oh my gosh, that is chaos.

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I remember, I don't know if you remember, but I do because I found this in my Snapchat

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memories the other day.

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So when we celebrated Thanksgiving with the school that we were with, I guess there was

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this one class that created this poster and it was of the UGA Bulldog.

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And I think the kids were trying to practice their English and so they wrote this small

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paragraph and in the paragraph it said something like, this is a doggy doggy.

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God.

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A doggy doggy.

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This is a doggy doggy.

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It is a mascot of the USA.

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You know, you mentioned that you've lived in France a few times.

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So similar to me.

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So the things that you remember from living in France, the things you hated, the things

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you loved, all of these things, if you could put it in a list or if you could kind of remember

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those things or at least a number of those things, what were some things you hated about

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living in France and things you loved?

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The things that I hated, the administration.

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I don't think people realized how horrible it is.

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It's not even cute.

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It's like, it's horrible because online when you read what you need to bring, it has a

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list and so you do that and then when you get up to the dishe, the like glass and you're

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talking to that person at the counter, there we go, the counter, they're like, okay, where

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is this document?

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I'm like, but that's not on your list.

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But we still need it to process your dossier.

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And I'm like, I don't have, I was trying to get a visa extension.

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They were asking for my birth certificate and I did have a copy of my birth certificate

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because I was trying to be prepared.

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I was like, okay, where's the French translation?

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First of all, you did not ask for this birth certificate.

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So why on earth would I have a translation?

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It's like, okay, we can't do anything with your dossier.

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Thank you.

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Have a good day.

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And so I had to make another appointment.

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And so the place where you make appointments in France is called the Préfecture.

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So the prefecture, it's like a DMV smushed with immigration stuff.

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So it's a shit show.

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And so it was constantly a battle being over there because once I went in the morning and

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someone told me, oh no, you have to come in the afternoon for your type of dossier.

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So I did that.

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It's like, oh, you have to be here in the morning to do your type of dossier.

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So that was two trips.

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And remember when you go to the Préfecture, you have to go there early.

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So you start waiting in line at 6 a.m. or 5 a.m.

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So you're there until they open and there's still like a long line.

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It's like Disneyland.

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And so it's just, it's wild.

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It's just the amount of stress that I had to go through in France in terms of documents

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and stuff was wild.

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I don't know how, but I got what I needed from the Préfecture.

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But it's not like because you're a foreigner, they're terrible.

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They're terrible to everyone.

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I don't know specific French native examples, but I had some similar challenges.

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When I lived in France the second time, I remember when I lived in Lille, when I was

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in the north of France, this whole process of setting up a bank account and having to

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get documents and having to prove that I live somewhere.

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I mean, it was just a shit show.

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In order to get a bank account, you need a place to live.

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But in order to get a place to live, you need a bank account.

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Yeah.

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And it's like, what is this?

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Come on, check this out.

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What do you want?

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I think that France being very bureaucratic like that is something I don't miss.

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And I think you would agree with me.

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Oh, I don't miss that at all.

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I mean, it's just another thing.

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Maybe you remember this when you had to cancel your film subscription.

333
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Oh, yes.

334
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Yeah.

335
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Did you have free?

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I think I had free.

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So free is one of the mobile carriers in France.

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Yeah.

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I compared to Spain.

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I made a phone call when I lived in Spain.

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I'm like, I have to cancel.

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I had orange.

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It was easy.

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And France, I was reading like what I need to send is like, you have to send a letter

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to parents, like a letter.

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You have to send them a letter saying that you want to cancel your subscription.

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They have to receive it by mail, not email, mail.

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And then they'll cancel it a couple of weeks after that.

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I'm like, aren't we in the 21st century?

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Exactly.

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What is this?

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To send things through the mail to Paris.

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Luckily, you could find sample writings online and you just copy that practically verbatim.

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But like, I don't even have the words to express how.

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Or like when I had to close my bank account.

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I was so at that point, my French was good, but just these processes, you have to write

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the bank a letter telling them that you are done.

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And I'm like, what is up with writing letters to everyone?

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So I was like asking the front desk guy, like what I need to do.

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And he's like, write a letter.

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He literally gave me a piece of paper, a blank piece of paper.

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And then I'm like, I don't know what to do with it.

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What do you want me to say on this letter?

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Like I am moving goodbye.

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Like I don't know what you.

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And so I got really mad at him.

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I was able to write a letter and then he wanted me to have an appointment with my contact

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person at the bank.

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I'm like, I'm leaving in two weeks.

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I don't have time for this BS.

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He's like, okay.

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So they luckily canceled my bank account or like, but it was like, why do I need to do

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all this administration stuff?

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So if you go to France, be prepared for the amount of administration work you're going

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to have to go through.

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It's a lot.

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Yeah.

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It is extremely annoying.

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Extremely tedious.

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Stressful.

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Yeah.

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No one has time for that.

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I am pretty sure I actually never closed my official bank account.

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Really?

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I mean, I'm pretty sure it closes after a couple of years of an activity, but I never,

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I don't remember closing my bank account in France.

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So I haven't closed my one in Spain.

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So it might be in the same boat.

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Yeah.

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I, it was rough.

391
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Yeah.

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So we actually lived both in France and Spain, but this episode of course is sticking only

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to France.

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Stay tuned for another episode when we speak about Spain another time.

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But anyway, going back to France.

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So those are the things you hated about living in France.

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What are some things you loved?

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As much as I talk shit about France, I do love the country.

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I love being able to go to the bakery, being able to get a baguette.

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And I mean, that's not necessarily just France.

401
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You could do that in most of Europe, but just the, it's not as stressful as here.

402
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It's not as, I mean, except Paris, but like, it's not like a go, go, go, go culture.

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It's a lot more relaxed.

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Like when you eat lunch, they give you time to eat lunch.

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That's a very important to their culture.

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People actually drink wine in their lunch break and the teacher lounge.

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I'm like, oh my, and no one cares.

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People there are a little bit more difficult to get to know because they are what we call

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a coconut culture.

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You don't know there are peach cultures and coconut cultures.

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So peach cultures are those that are peaches are soft on the outside and then hard on the

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inside.

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So like the United States, Mexico, I think Spain.

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And so they're easy to get to know people, but then it's going to be hard to become really

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good friends with these people.

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Whereas with coconut cultures, it's the opposite.

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It's hard to like get to know people at first, but then they're very soft on the inside.

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And so countries like France, Germany, maybe Japan to some extent, because they're a little

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more difficult to get to know.

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That is something that you have to be aware of because if you're trying to make friends

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with French people, it takes time.

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It's not like here where you're like super excited after you meet them the first time

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they're like, like we're BFFs now.

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Right?

425
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No, they're like so skeptical of you for like six months.

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They're just like, I don't know if I enjoy you yet.

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I really enjoyed the culture.

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I enjoyed having those festivities in Lyon.

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There were like, like there was like a music festival and just being able to like walk

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to it.

431
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Like I was able to walk places and this isn't really a walkable place.

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Well, it's not a France being only, but being able to walk to places or take public transportation,

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I think I loved being able to do that.

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Paying not a lot of money because you're not paying for car insurance.

435
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You're not paying for gas.

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I enjoyed being able to walk everywhere.

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My supermarket was like right in front of my apartment.

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And so it was just nice to be able to walk to the supermarket, walk back.

439
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The transportation infrastructure just really is so different in Europe or maybe not all

440
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of Europe, but in all of the cities.

441
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Yeah, in the cities you can walk everywhere.

442
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And also I love how you can go everywhere too.

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You can take weekend trips to other countries even.

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You can make that happen.

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Whereas in the US, you know, not really.

446
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If you live close to the borders, then maybe, but then it's just that one country.

447
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Exactly.

448
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Knowing some French, I would highly recommend.

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I mean, it doesn't even matter if they speak a little English, they prefer French at the

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end of the day.

451
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It still wasn't easy though.

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Like I still had prompt days where you're tired, where you can't say anything.

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You're trying to communicate with people and you don't get your point across.

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And they look at you like you have three heads.

455
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Oh my gosh, story of my life.

456
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Yes, that was so frustrating.

457
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The language barrier.

458
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:35,360
Well, not language barrier, but being misunderstood.

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Anybody who speaks a second language and also not perfectly can understand that.

460
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Like it is so, so, so frustrating and you feel so stupid when you speak.

461
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Another reason why I'm not entirely sure where in France, but there are some cases where

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the English menu is going to be more expensive than the French menu.

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So they might like trick you.

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So if you ask for a French menu to compare the prices with the English menu, that would

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be good.

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Especially with Google translate now, you can actually just have that image, Google

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image, whatever they will translate it for you.

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So I do recommend just asking for a French menu so that way you can get your good prices.

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The correct prices.

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The correct prices.

471
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Not inflated.

472
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Right.

473
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Exactly.

474
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I actually didn't know that or I actually, or maybe I did at some point, but I had forgotten

475
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,520
that.

476
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,200
Well, this is not just France.

477
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This could be in any country.

478
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You need to just be, they want to raise the price cause you are not from there.

479
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And you don't know any better.

480
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So it's like, Hey, if I can get more money out of you, then why not?

481
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I don't know how legal it is, but it's what happens in some like very touristy places.

482
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It could happen.

483
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:59,440
Well, another thing and a lot of Americans, especially who go abroad, don't know, but

484
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,440
tipping culture.

485
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So in France, as far as I remember when we were there, I don't think you really tip.

486
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And if you do tip, it's like a euro or two or three.

487
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,720
Right.

488
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,520
But that's, but you don't go overboard with your tipping.

489
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,200
You don't need to tip.

490
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:22,320
I think the bigger the party, then you're probably more inclined to tip.

491
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,760
But if it's just you, you don't have to tip or if you do tip, it's going to be like, you

492
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,840
know, it's just left change essentially.

493
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,520
But a tipping culture is not as big over there.

494
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:37,440
It's good to leave something, but it doesn't have to be like 10 or 15%, 20%, nothing like

495
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,440
that.

496
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,600
Not like here where, yeah, like people will scrutinize you and literally look down on

497
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,200
you if you don't tip at least 15% for sure.

498
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:53,400
But for here it's different because there they are getting paid properly.

499
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,680
Yeah that's a whole lot of discussion.

500
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:04,200
I mean, can you think of any American things that maybe French people should know if they've

501
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,760
never been to the US?

502
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,360
Honestly, it's probably harder to think of that than the other way around.

503
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:17,040
Being able to communicate in English is probably going to be important to some extent.

504
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,240
With French people, a lot of people like French people here in the US.

505
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,520
There are, there is a population that does not, but typically people are like, oh, you're

506
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,920
from France and they're going to want to socialize.

507
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,760
Well one thing is to really take advantage of the United States and being able to go

508
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,920
places I would recommend learning, making sure you have your international driver's license.

509
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,920
That's a good tip.

510
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,360
So that way you're able to go other places because when you typically talk to Europeans

511
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,360
and you're like, oh, I want to go to the US.

512
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,360
It's like, oh, okay, where?

513
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,280
And they're like, New York, Los Angeles, Miami.

514
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,920
And they act like those are just like right next door.

515
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,720
You're like, uh huh.

516
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,960
It's like, no, not quite.

517
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,560
That's a little bit far.

518
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,240
Only that.

519
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,920
I would argue like if you go to Los Angeles, if we go to New York, yes, that those are

520
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:19,480
cities that show you an aspect of the US, but it's not the US that most of us know.

521
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:25,440
And so you're not going to necessarily understand if you, if you're trying to like understand

522
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,880
American culture, you probably need to go to other places.

523
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,560
Even if you drive outside of those cities, I would think you could definitely get a better

524
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,480
feel of stuff.

525
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:44,600
New York and Los Angeles, they normally take international flight airplanes to do those

526
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,800
kinds of trips because it's so far away.

527
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:53,480
It's very, I don't realize how big the US is until they come here and you realize, oh

528
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,840
yeah, I need to get on a plane and I need to take like five hours to get to the other

529
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,120
side of the country.

530
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,120
Right?

531
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,200
It's not, this is, yeah, not quite like Europe.

532
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,800
I mean, yes, like Europe, but not, but it's more vast.

533
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,480
We're our own Europe.

534
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,720
I wish I had taken advantage of this app.

535
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,200
I do not know what it's called.

536
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,500
I need to figure it out.

537
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:15,960
You could get all the bakery goods at the end of the day for cheap.

538
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,320
Oh, I didn't know about that.

539
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,760
And so I did that with my German friend and he paid like six euro.

540
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:31,000
We got like three sandwiches, two baguettes, all these pastries for six euros.

541
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,200
And it was like a ton of food.

542
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,360
And I'm like, and I was like my second to last month there.

543
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:44,280
I'm like, I should have taken advantage of this, this entire time, but no, you pay for

544
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,240
all the goods that didn't sell.

545
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,800
So you don't know what you're going to get, but it's not like they made it that day.

546
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,960
So it's not like they're old, gross things.

547
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,800
I never knew about that.

548
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,800
That's crazy.

549
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,800
It was wild.

550
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,960
The amount of stuff we got.

551
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:03,120
That's very good advice for anybody living in France.

552
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Even if you're just visiting or visiting just to get like all the these baked goods for

553
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,840
cheap.

554
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,480
It was a good time.

555
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,040
I traveled a lot.

556
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,820
I visited you a couple of times and that was really good.

557
00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:23,200
We all learn something from our time abroad and that's the most important thing to remember.

558
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,200
For sure.

559
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:30,720
Do you have any last words that you'd like to just throw in here before we start wrapping

560
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,960
up the episode or today?

561
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,640
Um, I'm yeah, I don't know what to say now.

562
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,600
Thank you so much for having me on your podcast.

563
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,280
Oh, well, you're, you're so welcome.

564
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:51,640
I am so thrilled that you were more than willing and excited to be on the podcast and we will

565
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,680
have Josh again in the future to talk about Spain.

566
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,880
I'm really excited about that.

567
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,520
Thank you so much for tuning in with us, Josh.

568
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,520
Thank you.

569
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,520
So fun.

570
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,520
I love this.

571
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,520
Yes.

572
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,520
We'll do it again for sure.

573
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,520
Maybe again here in your kitchen.

574
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,080
Yeah, living room, wherever.

575
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,020
This now officially wraps up today's episode of Once Upon a Trip.

576
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:19,400
If you enjoyed and learned something new, please do take a minute to give the show a

577
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:25,960
quick five star review since I do want to continue growing and sharing this podcast

578
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,180
with as many people as it can resonate with.

579
00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:37,440
Let me know your additional comments on Instagram at OnceUponATrip.PC or on my host account

580
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,360
at Mary Grace Crawford.

581
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:45,840
Merci beaucoup à tous if you're French and still listening to this or thank you so much

582
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,760
to you for tuning in.

583
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:55,120
I look forward to being back here again next Tuesday for another fun, adventurous trip

584
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,120
of an episode.

585
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,120
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