Welcome back to our sixes and sevens. I am Tommy.
Hi, I'm Ryo. Today we're diving into the brutal unsolved murders of the Kedin Cap family.
Now the thing is, when you said that, I always and I always say kiddy capping.
Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I see that. And I feel like that's the way I pronounce it as well.
But to me, yeah, I had a cabin. It's the Scottish accent. It's a caddy, a caddy family.
You know, the caddy snatcher and the caddy family, but no, it's like the Eddie,
but with a K at the start, like a caddy. And I guess the caddy, kid die cabin. It's fitting
to the story because very fitting, very fitting. Yeah. As we explain, as we get on, you know what
we're on about. Yeah, we'll get onto that later. But for now we will try and set the stage for you
as best as we can. So we'll take you back 40 years and just, it is April 11th. Yeah, I think I did.
Okay. April 11th in 1981. Wow. In the tiny resort town of Keddie, California. And I believe it's
like a small village in the woods. Yeah, it's a resort town, so it's very small. Yeah, resort town.
We're looking at cabin number 28 to be specific. So anyone's lucky number is 28.
Today will be your unlucky day. It was a quiet night. I think nothing out of the peculiar seemed
to happen. At least it was supposed to be though. Yeah, of course. It's your typical peaceful night
in the woods where nothing should happen, but in this case something gruesome and tragic did happen.
And who would have guessed on a true crime podcast that something would have happened?
I know, right? Surprise. But this case itself remains one of the most chilling unsolved murder
cases in the US history, not only because of how mind boggling and crazy it is, but also because
of the fact it could have been solved there. And then if the job of the police force was done right.
We'll get onto that later. Absolutely. We will cover everything we know. And spoiler alert,
the case is still unsolved. And so please do not hold your breath for any satisfying,
happy ending. Just please don't hold your breath at all. Yeah, but most of these cases that we're
kind of looking at, they don't really have a satisfying ending and they're usually unsolved,
but that's kind of what we're here for, just to kind of explore it and see if we, you know,
what people think about it. But let's get right into the gritty, shall we? Kind of explain the
story and the what's, the who's, the who's, the wheres, the whys. All I heard was, let's go and
do the gritty. So I'm sitting here doing the gritty, you know. Oh, for God's sake. You and
your millennial brain. Listen, I'm literally like two months older than you. Which is even worse.
Right. Anyway, at that night in the cabin, we're looking at, I think a total of seven people.
Yeah. We figured it out to be. Yeah. And one of them was the mother of five children,
not four children, five children. And a single mother, if that. Her name was Glenna Sharp.
That's one more than four, but one less than six. For some of you all confused at there.
Yes, exactly. But her name was Glenna, which is a really, it's like a female Glen, I guess. But
but people called her Sue. And then obviously five of her kids, which Rio will go in a minute. Sue
was a single mum, just trying to make ends kind of meet after separating from her husband. And it
was quite a recent divorce. So I think overall it's like, it sounds like the family you'd want to.
I wouldn't say it was a recent divorce as she died 43 years ago. I wouldn't say that's recent.
Oh, for God's sake. But I think this story just goes way off the rails
and whatever we're going to kind of explain, you're not going to expect.
Oh, absolutely. So as Tommy said, I am going to introduce you to the rest of the people
at the cabin that grew some night. So as Tommy said, we have Sue Sharp, who is 36. Then we have
her eldest, John, who is 15 years of age and his friend, Dana Wingate, who is 17 years of age.
And also Sue's 12 year old daughter, Tina. They were all in a cabin at some point before the horror
began. And the other three are the Sharp, the younger Sharp kids. So Greg, who's five, Rick,
who's 10, and then the neighbour boy, Justin, who is 12. They were also in the house. However,
they were somehow peacefully asleep in another room, oblivious to the fact that they were
in another room, oblivious to the carnage happening, literally just, do away.
It's mental just to think how much people can actually sleep through and tolerate.
Like when you're knocked out, you can probably sleep through anything, but some people can awake
through so many sounds, like cops or, I don't know, a knife stabbing into your mother's back.
Like, you know, but you also, you were obviously all those children, two of them were friends,
weren't they? Yes. Yeah. And you missed one of the kids actually. Oh, did I? Yeah. They were
named very Sharp. Oh my God. It was the knife. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. We'll go into that a bit later,
but you got to give it to the kids. We'll get into it really sharp later.
You got to give it to the kids though. Sleeping through anything amongst, you know, everything
that's happening, they slept through it all. Everyone wakes up if, you know, you hear like a
slight stepping outside your door. These kids slept through a whole entire crime scene.
Oh yeah. I feel like that's one of the things that would wake me up is my family getting brutally
murdered. Oh, innocent houses. I don't think it would wake me up. I'm not going to lie.
Well, you've slept through it already like three times or something.
Yeah. Maybe a fourth. Yeah. See that's fair. I can't remember this time. It's just white noise to you.
Exactly. It's just casual Friday night. Yeah. It's like family murder, screams,
you know, blood spilling, white noise. Same thing. It's like the old murder party. Yeah.
So around 7 AM the next morning, the youngest boy, the youngest boys stumble out of their
bedrooms and find, well, you know, a Texas chainsaw massacre scene. Yeah. It's just blood bath.
Something out the movies. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. Their brother, John, their friend Dana
and their mother Sue had been brutally murdered. Tina, however, the 12 year old was missing.
How? Oh, that's, oh, the thing to walk out of your bedroom, waking up, you're going,
I want my breakfast. Let's see what we have. The scene, your mother, your brother, and a friend of
your brother being brutally murdered with one of your siblings missing. You wake up, like you said,
to breakfast. You go downstairs rather than bacon. It's your mother. Piggy Sue. Yeah.
But it was kind of like, it's walking onto the set of a slasher movie,
except it was obviously, it was real. And the only person that was saying cut was the,
like the murderer. Oh my God. There were blood stains absolutely everywhere. John and Dana were
bound with electrical wire, which is a kind of a kinky, an interesting thing. They were also
bludgeoned with a hammer, of course, and stabbed repeatedly. Sue herself, the mother was gagged
with bound and taped, but she was also stabbed and strangled. You can probably imagine the absolute
horror that they must have kind of gone through, not just now, but in like future as well. Like,
Oh yeah, absolutely. Like Jesus, I'd see that image. I can see that image right now. And that's
going back to the previous podcast where I can see everything. You know, as you were describing
it, the reason I was so quiet is I could see them walking into a room, just, you know,
three wee guys and seeing that, Oh my God, it's a gruesome scene.
Mason- It is very gruesome. I mean, if people did feel a bit off about that, I did too a bit.
I'm not going to lie.
S- Yeah. And you said they were stabbed repeatedly and going back to the other kid,
really sharp, that's when he comes in.
Mason- It was really sharp and very sharp. Like they were kind of twins, a twin parent and a
S- It was really sharp and blunt because of the hammer.
Mason- Blunt sharp.
S- Anyways, get this right. So despite how savage the murders were, the three boys in
the other room were completely untouched. The killer did not go anywhere near them. Somehow
they were unharmed or even aware that anything had happened.
Mason- So they were completely clean, like no scars, nothing?
S- Yeah. They just woke up in the middle of, you know, I don't know, Disney movie, you know,
it's like, Oh, the sun is rising. It's beautiful. Peter Pan was just in my room. And just wake up
and leave the room.
Mason- Good morning, my perfect brothers.
S- And then going downstairs and just screaming in horror.
Mason- Exactly. That's it.
S- I think it's like the killers themselves didn't even know they were there or they just
simply just didn't care. They went into the room and went,
Mason- Or the killer knew that they were there.
S- I draw the line, young kids.
Mason- The killer knew that they were there and that's why they avoided them because we're
going to get into some suspects and why we think they might be suspects because of the
untouched kids.
S- Yeah. I know what you mean though. I think that with a level of violence and kind of
almost disarray, it feels like everyone in that house should have been a target.
Mason- Oh yeah, absolutely.
S- Not just certain family members or friends.
Mason- Yeah. Like what makes us strangers is that, you know, the lack of clues, there was
nothing left. Like law enforcement didn't have much to go on. Actually, so law enforcement
thought, sorry, law enforcement just ignored all the clues kind of thing. That's why there
was nothing.
S- Oh, that makes sense.
Mason- Yeah. The law enforcement said there were no fingerprints, no weapon left behind,
you know, just pure confusion, which I guess is perfect with our theme here at Sixes and
Sevens. But it also, you know, suspected that some law enforcement officers may have been
involved in covering up evidence.
S- But thinking that the police and the department and everything would have been involved in the
actual crime, could they have been the murderers? Could they have, you know...
Mason- The murderer might have not been a police officer, but the murderer might be, you know,
somebody quite high up within the community and is able to pay off or even have on his
payroll, you know, the police department.
S- So they were kind of suspected themselves.
Mason- Yeah, basically.
S- They questioned, or?
Mason- The police officers, no, why would they question themselves?
S- Well, you never know, like who to, in that point of view.
Mason- Yeah, exactly.
S- Anyone's a suspect within the vicinity.
Mason- Yeah.
S- I think the investigation was, and kind of still is, a complete dumpster fire.
Mason- Oh yeah, absolutely.
S- The crime scene was obviously tampered with, all the evidence was kind of mishandled.
And like you said, to top it off, the whole department and the sheriff's department was
suspiciously sluggish.
Mason- Yeah, and like sluggish is an understatement. It's like they showed up for work and said,
you know what, let's wing it. You know, critical evidence was either overlooked or straight up
ignored. And speaking of overlooked, Tina's disappearance wasn't immediately noticed.
They were also so focused on the bodies in the living room that they didn't realize
a whole person missing.
S- A whole, how would you just miss a whole person?
Mason- Literally.
S- I mean, that's what happens all the time, I do guess, because it's like missing person, but
there was seven kids and how do you just completely overlook one? I don't understand.
Mason- I don't understand.
S- Imagine just being-
Mason- If everybody in the house was dead, then the police might not know who else was in the house.
But there was, what, three other kids that survived?
S- Yeah.
Mason- The other kids must've been, oh, by the way, Tina's not here.
S- A literal child is missing.
Mason- Yeah.
S- But, sure, just focus on everything around you. No need to check if anyone's been kidnapped.
Mason- I'm sure the police would also be like, they'd go to the kids, they'd not interrogate,
but they'd ask the questions to the kids of, was there anybody else in the house? Did somebody come
into the house last night to talk to your mom?
S- Did you hear anything?
Mason- Yeah. They would ask them, was somebody else in the house with you? Because then they
would suspect that person of the murder. But then if they were to ask, was there anybody else in the
house with you? Greg, Rick, and Justin would say, oh yeah, Tina. But Tina's not here anymore. And
they're like, oh, how old is Tina? And they're like 12. She was sleeping in a living room.
Then the police would be like, oh yeah, of course. She's not here. She must be missing.
S- No, it's just, something doesn't add up there.
Greg- Yeah. It's stupid. Like Tina wasn't even declared missing until hours later when her
remains were nowhere to be found in the cabin. And it wasn't until three years later, right?
Three years in 1984, that a part of her skull was found in Feather Falls, which is, you know,
a kiddie to Feather Falls is about 50 miles. And that's 50, five zero. And then when they finally
put two and two together, they had to admit Tina was murdered too. What the fuck?
Mason- Well, if you're finding a piece of their skull, you're not going to admit they're alive,
are you? Greg- Yeah, but couldn't they-
Mason- They're not going to scalp them, get rid of their skull and then just put it 50 miles away,
three years later. Like that is going to be orchestrated.
S- But why only three years later did they kind of put two and two together?
Greg- It should have took them, what, 48 hours?
S- I'd say an hour max going into that place.
Greg- It's going back to the Sherry Martler, like where she went missing, but like, how long is it
before you put out a search warrant and then tell the person it's actually missing?
S- For a child, it's six hours. Whereas for an adult, it's four to eight.
Greg- Oh, okay.
S- But especially like, fair enough, the Sherry Martler case, she went missing, just
nothing happened. Whereas here, it's a gruesome murder scene of an entire family and a kid's
missing. Obviously you're going to presume they're dead. Or at least you'd report them missing.
Greg- Well, you'd hopefully report them missing. But I think that's where this gets interesting now,
because I think we've got to talk about the neighbors.
S- Mm-hmm.
Greg- Obviously this is a cabin, it's a resort place, isn't it?
S- Yeah.
Greg- And apparently some of them heard a couple of screams, heard obviously
a lot of the events that happened that night. But do you know what they did?
S- What?
Greg- They did absolutely nothing.
S- Right, so nothing has been like shut the curtains and just went on with the day.
Greg- Yeah. Just average kind of like, oh, someone's getting murdered next door.
Turn up the TV. That's their business to sort out.
S- Huh. I mean, like, I get it because nobody wants to be that neighbor who's too nosy. But
if you heard blood curdling screams, maybe pop your head out the window, just kind of be that
nosy person for a second because, you know, somebody might be murdered next door.
Greg- We need to get in public then. I mean, if you heard it yourself,
if you heard like a blood-curdling scream next door, what would you do?
S- I'd probably say the Hail Mary 10 times and then call 999.
Greg- Local authorities, you go, someone just screamed next door,
you save me. Not them, save me.
S- Yeah, they're doomed already. They're done.
Greg- Whereas I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here. I get atheist reading the Bible.
S- I fear that Satan's going to come up for me.
Greg- Oh no, I'm sorry. Not an atheist. I'm a Satanist.
S- Even better. I fear that God's going to come for me.
Greg- Rather than dear God, it's dear Satan saving me from God.
S- Right. Getting back to it though. There were several theories, including personal grudges,
or I think there was a possible drug related motive. There's no clear consensus overall.
S- Mm-hmm.
Greg- And kind of another known fact, which is kind of put in the case file itself,
is one of the key suspects obviously was Martin Smart, which is the stepfather of Justin,
which was, I think Justin was still alive, wasn't he?
S- Yeah, he survived.
Greg- Yeah. So Martin, the stepfather, was sleeping in the cab- no, he was,
Justin was sleeping in the cabin, sorry. Now this guy, Martin, let's just say he wasn't really an
upstanding citizen. And I mean, he had a sketchy past, including kind of alleged organized crime,
something like a mob boss or gang affiliation. Not someone that you'd probably trust with a
library card. Obviously a murder investigation. S- Oh, absolutely not. Do not let that man near
our books. Let him near our children, but not near our books. Absolutely not.
Greg- You draw the line at children.
S- Yeah. Going back to Mr. Smart, let's not forget his good old buddy, Bobo Bed. Bobo Bead.
Greg- Bobo Beads? Is that like a hobbit?
S- Yeah. Basically.
Greg- Bobo Bead!
S- Billbo Baggins meets Bobo Bead. His name within itself is Tongue Twister. Anyway.
Greg- I like it.
S- But Mr. Bo and Martin were both staying together nearby and both had some interesting
behavior patterns, but they also had inconsistencies in their alibis and behavior after the murders.
But Martin allegedly confessed to his therapist that he committed the murders, but the therapist
kind of didn't report it to the law enforcement until several years later.
Greg- Geez.
S- Yeah. That's what I mean. When I said earlier that somebody that's kind of high up and that
can pay people off, I feel like, I don't know who Martin is or Bo, because we only have his nickname
and his first first name. So we don't know how organized crimes, they could have high up
connections and paying people off. That's why they paid off the law enforcement allegedly.
And now the therapist who didn't say anything until the years later. And the full reason why-
Greg- This must have been a really rich gang.
S- Oh yeah. Like, we don't know if it was a gang or if it was just the two of them.
Greg- He might have just started up an OnlyFans and did really well for himself.
S- I was with the therapist night of.
Greg- Oh yeah. She was like, okay, you have to keep this on the down low. It's like almost,
I mean, you could have blackmailed her as well.
S- Yeah, exactly. We don't know what was going behind the curtain. But by the time that she did
tell law enforcement, Martin Smart was already dead. Dead, pardon me. Which is very convenient.
M- So I think it was like a, until I die, you have to keep this secret.
S- Yeah. Or she was no longer threatened because he died.
M- Yeah, that is true. He couldn't kind of find her now. You never know, she might have had to
move or get away from him somehow because, you know, she was being threatened or yeah, even worse.
S- Exactly.
M- Hold captive almost. But imagine confessing to a murder and absolutely nobody killed.
That's how messy this case overall was. And I think Bo had a record too, but then he just vanished
completely off the radar, not long after the murders. So it just sounds like a completely
poorly written mystery novel. It's like the plot holes right themselves.
S- Yeah. Like welcome to Kiddicabin 28.
M- Tonight on Kiddicabin 28, a modu. Who would have guessed?
S- Surprise. But the problem is-
M- Very sharp. What are you doing here?
S- Oh my God. Back to very sharp. Investigators didn't exactly tie up those plot holes either.
For example, the cabin had blood stains that didn't belong to the victims and no one could
ever figure out who they came from. Which I find very stupid.
M- Was it just ketchup?
S- No, it was somebody else's blood, but the police decided not to do a DNA test or
samples of it or anything. There was even a bloody fingerprint on a handrail outside the cabin.
And yet it was still never matched to anyone.
M- That's even more disturbing.
S- The killer left everything. He might as well left his bloody ID there because he left
something more important, his DNA. So his case was solved after the police done their job.
M- Unless it was like a mixture of bloods together that combined to make a new one.
S- It'd still pull that apart.
M- I mean, they could. Yeah, I do agree there. But also at the same point, if you're in the same
family, don't you have like some of the same blood genes? So if they combine together,
would it be the same person or would it only be one of them? It kind of like, that raises a question for me.
S- It's like ketchup and mustard, right? When you mix it together,
a scientist can still tell you that it's ketchup and mustard. They're not going to say it's something else.
M- But does it make ketchup-stud?
S- I don't know.
S- Does it make ketchup-stud?
M- Oh my god.
S- Does it though? But does it? Has it created something new or is it two different things that
are completely together? M- It's two different things.
S- Yes. I think another question that I had is about, you know, the electrical
cords that we use to kind of tie up victims. They were perfectly cut, like almost precision
surgical wise, like someone had taken their kind of time and effort, which raises obviously loads
of questions like, why? Is it just a random act of violence? Was it methodical? Was it, you know,
were they wanting to send a message? Did they just run out of things to tie up people with?
M- Yeah, I guess like, cause you get electrical cord from in somebody's house,
you'd kind of just cut it off. You know, just if you had an axe, you'd whack it with an axe and
cut it up. So it wouldn't be perfectly cut. So he must have really taken the time to cut every single
cord. S- Ooh, yeah. That does make-
M- Yeah. And you said something about sending a message. So-
S- Mm. M- You know, the whole crime scene felt like almost as if it was staged. So some say it was
too chaotic. Exactly. Like the killers were trying to, you know, throw off the investigators by making
it look random, but others believed it was personal, maybe revenge or some kind of twisted vendetta.
So that's going back to Bo, Bo Bede and Martin Smart. M- And Martin. Yeah. I think he apparently
like had beef with Sue herself, like the mother, because I think rumours were spread around and
like rumour has it that Sue was advising Martin's wife to leave him. S- Oof.
M- Yeah. Which is, you know, intertwining with the relationship, which I don't think you should
be doing. S- I can just imagine them sitting together by the fireplace in a cabin and Sue's
likes and sipping on a red wine saying to Martin's wife being like, girl, he's not good for you.
M- But that's like you talking about my relationship. It's like, you don't know the ins and outs.
S- Yeah, exactly. M- You don't know everything. You only know what kind of they want you to hear.
S- But Martin, obviously, I don't think anybody would, but he didn't take kindly at all to that.
M- As you can tell. S- So people, yeah, as you can tell,
you know, he could have murdered them. But the theory goes that he snapped and then obviously
he went on a rampage, killed Sue and killed everyone in the house, apart from the kids,
kind of like as a payback. Just like, oh, I'm going to kill your mum just because she's getting in
the way of my relationship. Like. M- Yeah. And it makes sense, right? Like.
S- Should do. M- He got revenge. He killed everyone, but, you know, his kid. And the reason he
didn't kill the other two kids that belonged to the families because they were in the same room as
his kid. And he could compromise the mission almost by waking Justin up and then Justin having
to see that it's his dad. So he just decided to leave that room completely untouched.
M- Hmm. S- So it makes sense that it would be Martin, but then if it wasn't Martin, we don't
want to stick to one person. We want to explore all the different corridors. So if it wasn't Martin,
then why kill John and Dana? That's where things kind of get muddy. You know, you kill John and
Dana, then why not go into the other room to kill the other kids? M- Yeah. Like all of them
should have been a target. That goes back to what I said. Why was it just, what, four people?
S- Unless it was Martin. M- It could have been all of them.
S- The only scenario that makes sense in my head is Martin killing them and then not going to the
other room because his kid's there. M- Well, now that you say it out loud, it kind of, I'm thinking
about it. I'm like, yeah, that actually makes sense. Because you don't, I mean, he could have
just followed through and killed his kid as well, but you wouldn't really want to do that. You'd
kill the other two, but then, you know, he would wake up and go, dad, why are you killing people?
S- Yeah, exactly. M- Screamed and horrified out of his head.
But I think going back to kind of all of them, why abduct Tina? What's that got to do with it?
S- Very true. M- Some people kind of just theorised that she was taken
just because she witnessed the murders herself, or, you know, she hid away, or, you know,
it was more sinister reasons behind it. S- But then why not kill her there
if she witnessed the murders, like the other kid?
M- Maybe there was just a piece of the puzzle that, you know,
it's like a hostage or something so they could get away. Or experimentation. There's so many
avenues that you could go down. But the remains being found 50 miles away three years later just
add so much more. There's so much could have happened within the three years. Did the killer
take her? Decide that she was too risky to keep alive and then go, you know, oh, should have killed
her there and then? Is it, oh, I don't know, she's still alive, people are still looking for her,
they've caught glimpses like. Hmm.
S- Yeah, because I guess, you know, in a case, Phil, that we used for research, it didn't really
say anything about how long she had been dead by the time they find her remains. I guess she must
have been dead for a while. So I don't think she was alive for those three years because her skull
was found. So I'm guessing she was killed not long after the actual murders. So I don't think
they had much time with her. S- That's another thing. Why just the skull? It could have been,
I don't know, it could have been the brain matter. It could have been a leg. It could have been an
arm. Why the skull? I guess we may never know. But what we do know is this case remains tangled
mess of loose ends. Over the years, new evidence has surfaced, but nothing has brought us closer
to solving the murders. It's been over 40 years and we're still left scratching our heads.
M- Oh no, I was literally scratching my head throughout most of this episode because I'm
just, there's a lot of things which don't add up. Now I kind of, I want to understand a bit more,
but you can't because the kids are dead, the mother's dead, the police officers,
the department, terrible. S- You never know. Nowadays, somebody might reopen the case and
decide to look into it again. It might help the case, it might solve the case or, I don't know,
but we can never give up on cases like this. And hopefully people keep doing everything they can
to reopen these kinds of cases. M- Well, you actually get me onto my next point, which is
investigators themselves, so not the department, like completely new people, reopened the case kind
of 11 years ago in 2013, which is quite recent. So 30 years later, they found a hammer in a pond
near Keddie, which was believed to be used in one of the murders, one of the bludgeonings. But
like everything else in this case, it just leads to more questions than it does with answers. It
just goes, instead of saying, oh, this is a hammer, this was used for this, this, this, this, it was,
oh, we've just found a hammer. Why was it used? Where was it used? When was it used? Who used it?
Like this? M- Why is it in this exact pond? Why, why is it dumped? One answer reveals 60 questions.
S- Is this just a hammer that some random crackhead threw in the pond?
M- Yeah. But honestly, if we were up to meet the Keddie Cabin 28, it feels like it belongs in a
Twilight Zone episode. Just when you think you're getting close to an answer, something throws you
back into the lip of confusion and frustration. S- It also does sound like a really, really good
TV kind of name, I guess. TV show names, like Keddie Cabin 28. It's like a, I can see it like
a cabin in the woods kind of vibe, where something new happens each time, but it's the same
actors, all the same people. M- Like Keddie Cabin 28, one cabin, many different,
you know, the Loki show where he goes into different-
S- Yes. M- What's it called?
S- Goes back in timelines and it's different. Like-
M- Yeah, different timelines. S- What if?
M- So, Keddie Cabin 28, the same cabin, different timelines, different murders,
different evidence, different cases. Like that'd be such a cool, but it's like obviously the same
actors, as you said, it's the same family that stay there, but they get murdered different ways.
S- Seems like we just found a show to create, haven't we?
M- I know, right? Brought to you by AdSixs and Sevens.
S- Oh no, but what happened through like one to 27? Why is it 28?
M- That's just the cabin number. S- It'll be Keddie Cabin.
I know, like episode one and then we get to 28 and then we do this murder. Is that funny?
M- Oh yeah, yes.
S- But yeah, going back to it, the most frustrating part of this case is the people who might know
what really happened are dead. Well, they're either dead, missing, or they actually never
came forward. Obviously the therapist, they did come forward, but after years, so.
M- And then if they managed to keep a therapist quiet for a few years, who else have they managed
to keep quiet for more than just a few years? S- For life, guess that. People might be in
prison with all this information and not say anything, even though it could help them get
their prison sentence reduced or something. M- Oh yeah, did you hear about the guy,
was it a week ago or something, that said that his cellmate confessed to the Madeline McCarran murder?
It was all over like Sky News and everything. S- No?
M- Yeah. S- That's the thing.
M- Yeah, a guy confessed to the Madeline McCarran murders and then looking into it. So he was
actually arrested, I think on the suspicion of killing Maddie. I don't know, he was in prison
anyway and he confessed to one of his cellmates that he actually did murder Maddie. And if they,
he kind of asked if they can extract DNA from bones that such a long time afterwards. Anyway,
we'll talk about this after the recording. It's very interesting.
S- Yeah, yeah. Well, if people do want to know more about it though, we might kind of put it on
our Reddit, on our YouTube and our links, which we'll always link below. If you want to go and
follow us on Reddit, it's r slash at sixes and sevens. We've got a TikTok, we've got a Facebook,
we've got all of the socials. M- Absolutely. And the Keddy Cabin murders remain one of the creepiest,
most baffling unsolved crimes in American history. The lack of answers, the mishandled evidence
and the possible conspiracies, it's all enough to make you question everything.
S- And that's kind of why I'm going to do a funny here. We're left at sixes and sevens with this
one. A cold case, whole lot of chaos, murders, weapons, there's just so much to lean in on that
we can't because, you know, we'd probably go on for hours and hours and hours upon end,
but no neat bow to tie it all up. M- Just to really, we like it, I guess.
S- But it is what it is, I guess. And that's all we have for today's episode.
So we hope that we've left you sufficiently confused.
M- As always, thank you for joining us in this world right through chaos and mystery.
Until next time. S- If you do want to go and follow us, of course, go and follow our socials
all below. It might not be a next episode. Will there be a-
M- We never know, I guess. We might get murdered in a cabin.
S- It's very sharp going to do it.