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Welcome back to our sixes and sevens. I am Tommy.

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Hi, I'm Ryo. Today we're diving into the brutal unsolved murders of the Kedin Cap family.

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Now the thing is, when you said that, I always and I always say kiddy capping.

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Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I see that. And I feel like that's the way I pronounce it as well.

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But to me, yeah, I had a cabin. It's the Scottish accent. It's a caddy, a caddy family.

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You know, the caddy snatcher and the caddy family, but no, it's like the Eddie,

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but with a K at the start, like a caddy. And I guess the caddy, kid die cabin. It's fitting

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to the story because very fitting, very fitting. Yeah. As we explain, as we get on, you know what

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we're on about. Yeah, we'll get onto that later. But for now we will try and set the stage for you

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as best as we can. So we'll take you back 40 years and just, it is April 11th. Yeah, I think I did.

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Okay. April 11th in 1981. Wow. In the tiny resort town of Keddie, California. And I believe it's

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like a small village in the woods. Yeah, it's a resort town, so it's very small. Yeah, resort town.

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We're looking at cabin number 28 to be specific. So anyone's lucky number is 28.

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Today will be your unlucky day. It was a quiet night. I think nothing out of the peculiar seemed

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to happen. At least it was supposed to be though. Yeah, of course. It's your typical peaceful night

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in the woods where nothing should happen, but in this case something gruesome and tragic did happen.

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And who would have guessed on a true crime podcast that something would have happened?

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I know, right? Surprise. But this case itself remains one of the most chilling unsolved murder

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cases in the US history, not only because of how mind boggling and crazy it is, but also because

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of the fact it could have been solved there. And then if the job of the police force was done right.

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We'll get onto that later. Absolutely. We will cover everything we know. And spoiler alert,

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the case is still unsolved. And so please do not hold your breath for any satisfying,

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happy ending. Just please don't hold your breath at all. Yeah, but most of these cases that we're

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kind of looking at, they don't really have a satisfying ending and they're usually unsolved,

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but that's kind of what we're here for, just to kind of explore it and see if we, you know,

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what people think about it. But let's get right into the gritty, shall we? Kind of explain the

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story and the what's, the who's, the who's, the wheres, the whys. All I heard was, let's go and

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do the gritty. So I'm sitting here doing the gritty, you know. Oh, for God's sake. You and

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your millennial brain. Listen, I'm literally like two months older than you. Which is even worse.

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Right. Anyway, at that night in the cabin, we're looking at, I think a total of seven people.

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Yeah. We figured it out to be. Yeah. And one of them was the mother of five children,

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not four children, five children. And a single mother, if that. Her name was Glenna Sharp.

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That's one more than four, but one less than six. For some of you all confused at there.

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Yes, exactly. But her name was Glenna, which is a really, it's like a female Glen, I guess. But

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but people called her Sue. And then obviously five of her kids, which Rio will go in a minute. Sue

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was a single mum, just trying to make ends kind of meet after separating from her husband. And it

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was quite a recent divorce. So I think overall it's like, it sounds like the family you'd want to.

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I wouldn't say it was a recent divorce as she died 43 years ago. I wouldn't say that's recent.

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Oh, for God's sake. But I think this story just goes way off the rails

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and whatever we're going to kind of explain, you're not going to expect.

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Oh, absolutely. So as Tommy said, I am going to introduce you to the rest of the people

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at the cabin that grew some night. So as Tommy said, we have Sue Sharp, who is 36. Then we have

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her eldest, John, who is 15 years of age and his friend, Dana Wingate, who is 17 years of age.

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And also Sue's 12 year old daughter, Tina. They were all in a cabin at some point before the horror

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began. And the other three are the Sharp, the younger Sharp kids. So Greg, who's five, Rick,

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who's 10, and then the neighbour boy, Justin, who is 12. They were also in the house. However,

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they were somehow peacefully asleep in another room, oblivious to the fact that they were

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in another room, oblivious to the carnage happening, literally just, do away.

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It's mental just to think how much people can actually sleep through and tolerate.

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Like when you're knocked out, you can probably sleep through anything, but some people can awake

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through so many sounds, like cops or, I don't know, a knife stabbing into your mother's back.

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Like, you know, but you also, you were obviously all those children, two of them were friends,

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weren't they? Yes. Yeah. And you missed one of the kids actually. Oh, did I? Yeah. They were

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named very Sharp. Oh my God. It was the knife. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. We'll go into that a bit later,

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but you got to give it to the kids. We'll get into it really sharp later.

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You got to give it to the kids though. Sleeping through anything amongst, you know, everything

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that's happening, they slept through it all. Everyone wakes up if, you know, you hear like a

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slight stepping outside your door. These kids slept through a whole entire crime scene.

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Oh yeah. I feel like that's one of the things that would wake me up is my family getting brutally

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murdered. Oh, innocent houses. I don't think it would wake me up. I'm not going to lie.

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Well, you've slept through it already like three times or something.

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Yeah. Maybe a fourth. Yeah. See that's fair. I can't remember this time. It's just white noise to you.

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Exactly. It's just casual Friday night. Yeah. It's like family murder, screams,

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you know, blood spilling, white noise. Same thing. It's like the old murder party. Yeah.

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So around 7 AM the next morning, the youngest boy, the youngest boys stumble out of their

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bedrooms and find, well, you know, a Texas chainsaw massacre scene. Yeah. It's just blood bath.

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Something out the movies. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. Their brother, John, their friend Dana

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and their mother Sue had been brutally murdered. Tina, however, the 12 year old was missing.

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How? Oh, that's, oh, the thing to walk out of your bedroom, waking up, you're going,

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I want my breakfast. Let's see what we have. The scene, your mother, your brother, and a friend of

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your brother being brutally murdered with one of your siblings missing. You wake up, like you said,

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to breakfast. You go downstairs rather than bacon. It's your mother. Piggy Sue. Yeah.

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except it was obviously, it was real. And the only person that was saying cut was the,

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like the murderer. Oh my God. There were blood stains absolutely everywhere. John and Dana were

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bound with electrical wire, which is a kind of a kinky, an interesting thing. They were also

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bludgeoned with a hammer, of course, and stabbed repeatedly. Sue herself, the mother was gagged

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with bound and taped, but she was also stabbed and strangled. You can probably imagine the absolute

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horror that they must have kind of gone through, not just now, but in like future as well. Like,

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going back to the previous podcast where I can see everything. You know, as you were describing

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it, the reason I was so quiet is I could see them walking into a room, just, you know,

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three wee guys and seeing that, Oh my God, it's a gruesome scene.

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Mason- It is very gruesome. I mean, if people did feel a bit off about that, I did too a bit.

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I'm not going to lie.

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S- Yeah. And you said they were stabbed repeatedly and going back to the other kid,

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really sharp, that's when he comes in.

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Mason- It was really sharp and very sharp. Like they were kind of twins, a twin parent and a

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S- It was really sharp and blunt because of the hammer.

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Mason- Blunt sharp.

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S- Anyways, get this right. So despite how savage the murders were, the three boys in

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the other room were completely untouched. The killer did not go anywhere near them. Somehow

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they were unharmed or even aware that anything had happened.

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Mason- So they were completely clean, like no scars, nothing?

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S- Yeah. They just woke up in the middle of, you know, I don't know, Disney movie, you know,

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it's like, Oh, the sun is rising. It's beautiful. Peter Pan was just in my room. And just wake up

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and leave the room.

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Mason- Good morning, my perfect brothers.

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S- And then going downstairs and just screaming in horror.

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Mason- Exactly. That's it.

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S- I think it's like the killers themselves didn't even know they were there or they just

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simply just didn't care. They went into the room and went,

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Mason- Or the killer knew that they were there.

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S- I draw the line, young kids.

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Mason- The killer knew that they were there and that's why they avoided them because we're

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going to get into some suspects and why we think they might be suspects because of the

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untouched kids.

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S- Yeah. I know what you mean though. I think that with a level of violence and kind of

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almost disarray, it feels like everyone in that house should have been a target.

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Mason- Oh yeah, absolutely.

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S- Not just certain family members or friends.

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Mason- Yeah. Like what makes us strangers is that, you know, the lack of clues, there was

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nothing left. Like law enforcement didn't have much to go on. Actually, so law enforcement

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thought, sorry, law enforcement just ignored all the clues kind of thing. That's why there

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was nothing.

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S- Oh, that makes sense.

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Mason- Yeah. The law enforcement said there were no fingerprints, no weapon left behind,

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you know, just pure confusion, which I guess is perfect with our theme here at Sixes and

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Sevens. But it also, you know, suspected that some law enforcement officers may have been

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involved in covering up evidence.

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S- But thinking that the police and the department and everything would have been involved in the

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actual crime, could they have been the murderers? Could they have, you know...

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Mason- The murderer might have not been a police officer, but the murderer might be, you know,

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somebody quite high up within the community and is able to pay off or even have on his

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payroll, you know, the police department.

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S- So they were kind of suspected themselves.

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Mason- Yeah, basically.

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S- They questioned, or?

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Mason- The police officers, no, why would they question themselves?

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S- Well, you never know, like who to, in that point of view.

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Mason- Yeah, exactly.

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S- Anyone's a suspect within the vicinity.

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Mason- Yeah.

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S- I think the investigation was, and kind of still is, a complete dumpster fire.

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Mason- Oh yeah, absolutely.

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S- The crime scene was obviously tampered with, all the evidence was kind of mishandled.

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And like you said, to top it off, the whole department and the sheriff's department was

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suspiciously sluggish.

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Mason- Yeah, and like sluggish is an understatement. It's like they showed up for work and said,

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you know what, let's wing it. You know, critical evidence was either overlooked or straight up

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ignored. And speaking of overlooked, Tina's disappearance wasn't immediately noticed.

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They were also so focused on the bodies in the living room that they didn't realize

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a whole person missing.

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S- A whole, how would you just miss a whole person?

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Mason- Literally.

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S- I mean, that's what happens all the time, I do guess, because it's like missing person, but

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there was seven kids and how do you just completely overlook one? I don't understand.

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Mason- I don't understand.

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S- Imagine just being-

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Mason- If everybody in the house was dead, then the police might not know who else was in the house.

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But there was, what, three other kids that survived?

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S- Yeah.

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Mason- The other kids must've been, oh, by the way, Tina's not here.

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S- A literal child is missing.

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Mason- Yeah.

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S- But, sure, just focus on everything around you. No need to check if anyone's been kidnapped.

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Mason- I'm sure the police would also be like, they'd go to the kids, they'd not interrogate,

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but they'd ask the questions to the kids of, was there anybody else in the house? Did somebody come

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into the house last night to talk to your mom?

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S- Did you hear anything?

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Mason- Yeah. They would ask them, was somebody else in the house with you? Because then they

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would suspect that person of the murder. But then if they were to ask, was there anybody else in the

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house with you? Greg, Rick, and Justin would say, oh yeah, Tina. But Tina's not here anymore. And

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they're like, oh, how old is Tina? And they're like 12. She was sleeping in a living room.

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Then the police would be like, oh yeah, of course. She's not here. She must be missing.

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S- No, it's just, something doesn't add up there.

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Greg- Yeah. It's stupid. Like Tina wasn't even declared missing until hours later when her

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remains were nowhere to be found in the cabin. And it wasn't until three years later, right?

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Three years in 1984, that a part of her skull was found in Feather Falls, which is, you know,

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a kiddie to Feather Falls is about 50 miles. And that's 50, five zero. And then when they finally

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put two and two together, they had to admit Tina was murdered too. What the fuck?

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Mason- Well, if you're finding a piece of their skull, you're not going to admit they're alive,

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are you? Greg- Yeah, but couldn't they-

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Mason- They're not going to scalp them, get rid of their skull and then just put it 50 miles away,

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three years later. Like that is going to be orchestrated.

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S- But why only three years later did they kind of put two and two together?

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Greg- It should have took them, what, 48 hours?

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S- I'd say an hour max going into that place.

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Greg- It's going back to the Sherry Martler, like where she went missing, but like, how long is it

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before you put out a search warrant and then tell the person it's actually missing?

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S- For a child, it's six hours. Whereas for an adult, it's four to eight.

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Greg- Oh, okay.

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S- But especially like, fair enough, the Sherry Martler case, she went missing, just

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nothing happened. Whereas here, it's a gruesome murder scene of an entire family and a kid's

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missing. Obviously you're going to presume they're dead. Or at least you'd report them missing.

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Greg- Well, you'd hopefully report them missing. But I think that's where this gets interesting now,

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because I think we've got to talk about the neighbors.

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S- Mm-hmm.

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Greg- Obviously this is a cabin, it's a resort place, isn't it?

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Greg- And apparently some of them heard a couple of screams, heard obviously

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a lot of the events that happened that night. But do you know what they did?

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S- What?

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Greg- They did absolutely nothing.

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S- Right, so nothing has been like shut the curtains and just went on with the day.

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Greg- Yeah. Just average kind of like, oh, someone's getting murdered next door.

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Turn up the TV. That's their business to sort out.

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S- Huh. I mean, like, I get it because nobody wants to be that neighbor who's too nosy. But

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if you heard blood curdling screams, maybe pop your head out the window, just kind of be that

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nosy person for a second because, you know, somebody might be murdered next door.

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Greg- We need to get in public then. I mean, if you heard it yourself,

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if you heard like a blood-curdling scream next door, what would you do?

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S- I'd probably say the Hail Mary 10 times and then call 999.

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Greg- Local authorities, you go, someone just screamed next door,

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you save me. Not them, save me.

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S- Yeah, they're doomed already. They're done.

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Greg- Whereas I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here. I get atheist reading the Bible.

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S- I fear that Satan's going to come up for me.

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Greg- Oh no, I'm sorry. Not an atheist. I'm a Satanist.

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S- Even better. I fear that God's going to come for me.

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Greg- Rather than dear God, it's dear Satan saving me from God.

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S- Right. Getting back to it though. There were several theories, including personal grudges,

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S- Mm-hmm.

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Greg- And kind of another known fact, which is kind of put in the case file itself,

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is one of the key suspects obviously was Martin Smart, which is the stepfather of Justin,

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which was, I think Justin was still alive, wasn't he?

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S- Yeah, he survived.

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Greg- Yeah. So Martin, the stepfather, was sleeping in the cab- no, he was,

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Justin was sleeping in the cabin, sorry. Now this guy, Martin, let's just say he wasn't really an

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upstanding citizen. And I mean, he had a sketchy past, including kind of alleged organized crime,

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something like a mob boss or gang affiliation. Not someone that you'd probably trust with a

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library card. Obviously a murder investigation. S- Oh, absolutely not. Do not let that man near

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our books. Let him near our children, but not near our books. Absolutely not.

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Greg- You draw the line at children.

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S- Yeah. Going back to Mr. Smart, let's not forget his good old buddy, Bobo Bed. Bobo Bead.

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Greg- Bobo Beads? Is that like a hobbit?

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S- Yeah. Basically.

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Greg- Bobo Bead!

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S- Billbo Baggins meets Bobo Bead. His name within itself is Tongue Twister. Anyway.

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Greg- I like it.

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S- But Mr. Bo and Martin were both staying together nearby and both had some interesting

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behavior patterns, but they also had inconsistencies in their alibis and behavior after the murders.

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kind of didn't report it to the law enforcement until several years later.

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Greg- Geez.

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S- Yeah. That's what I mean. When I said earlier that somebody that's kind of high up and that

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can pay people off, I feel like, I don't know who Martin is or Bo, because we only have his nickname

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and his first first name. So we don't know how organized crimes, they could have high up

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connections and paying people off. That's why they paid off the law enforcement allegedly.

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Greg- This must have been a really rich gang.

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S- Oh yeah. Like, we don't know if it was a gang or if it was just the two of them.

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Greg- He might have just started up an OnlyFans and did really well for himself.

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S- I was with the therapist night of.

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Greg- Oh yeah. She was like, okay, you have to keep this on the down low. It's like almost,

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S- Yeah, exactly. We don't know what was going behind the curtain. But by the time that she did

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tell law enforcement, Martin Smart was already dead. Dead, pardon me. Which is very convenient.

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M- So I think it was like a, until I die, you have to keep this secret.

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S- Yeah. Or she was no longer threatened because he died.

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M- Yeah, that is true. He couldn't kind of find her now. You never know, she might have had to

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S- Exactly.

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M- Hold captive almost. But imagine confessing to a murder and absolutely nobody killed.

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That's how messy this case overall was. And I think Bo had a record too, but then he just vanished

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completely off the radar, not long after the murders. So it just sounds like a completely

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poorly written mystery novel. It's like the plot holes right themselves.

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S- Yeah. Like welcome to Kiddicabin 28.

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M- Tonight on Kiddicabin 28, a modu. Who would have guessed?

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S- Surprise. But the problem is-

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M- Very sharp. What are you doing here?

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S- Oh my God. Back to very sharp. Investigators didn't exactly tie up those plot holes either.

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For example, the cabin had blood stains that didn't belong to the victims and no one could

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ever figure out who they came from. Which I find very stupid.

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M- Was it just ketchup?

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S- No, it was somebody else's blood, but the police decided not to do a DNA test or

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samples of it or anything. There was even a bloody fingerprint on a handrail outside the cabin.

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M- That's even more disturbing.

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S- The killer left everything. He might as well left his bloody ID there because he left

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something more important, his DNA. So his case was solved after the police done their job.

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M- Unless it was like a mixture of bloods together that combined to make a new one.

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S- It'd still pull that apart.

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M- I mean, they could. Yeah, I do agree there. But also at the same point, if you're in the same

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family, don't you have like some of the same blood genes? So if they combine together,

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would it be the same person or would it only be one of them? It kind of like, that raises a question for me.

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S- It's like ketchup and mustard, right? When you mix it together,

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a scientist can still tell you that it's ketchup and mustard. They're not going to say it's something else.

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S- I don't know.

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S- Does it make ketchup-stud?

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S- Does it though? But does it? Has it created something new or is it two different things that

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S- Yes. I think another question that I had is about, you know, the electrical

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cords that we use to kind of tie up victims. They were perfectly cut, like almost precision

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surgical wise, like someone had taken their kind of time and effort, which raises obviously loads

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of questions like, why? Is it just a random act of violence? Was it methodical? Was it, you know,

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were they wanting to send a message? Did they just run out of things to tie up people with?

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you'd kind of just cut it off. You know, just if you had an axe, you'd whack it with an axe and

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cut it up. So it wouldn't be perfectly cut. So he must have really taken the time to cut every single

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cord. S- Ooh, yeah. That does make-

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M- Yeah. And you said something about sending a message. So-

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S- Mm. M- You know, the whole crime scene felt like almost as if it was staged. So some say it was

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too chaotic. Exactly. Like the killers were trying to, you know, throw off the investigators by making

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it look random, but others believed it was personal, maybe revenge or some kind of twisted vendetta.

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So that's going back to Bo, Bo Bede and Martin Smart. M- And Martin. Yeah. I think he apparently

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like had beef with Sue herself, like the mother, because I think rumours were spread around and

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like rumour has it that Sue was advising Martin's wife to leave him. S- Oof.

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M- Yeah. Which is, you know, intertwining with the relationship, which I don't think you should

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be doing. S- I can just imagine them sitting together by the fireplace in a cabin and Sue's

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likes and sipping on a red wine saying to Martin's wife being like, girl, he's not good for you.

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M- But that's like you talking about my relationship. It's like, you don't know the ins and outs.

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S- Yeah, exactly. M- You don't know everything. You only know what kind of they want you to hear.

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S- But Martin, obviously, I don't think anybody would, but he didn't take kindly at all to that.

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M- As you can tell. S- So people, yeah, as you can tell,

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you know, he could have murdered them. But the theory goes that he snapped and then obviously

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he went on a rampage, killed Sue and killed everyone in the house, apart from the kids,

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kind of like as a payback. Just like, oh, I'm going to kill your mum just because she's getting in

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the way of my relationship. Like. M- Yeah. And it makes sense, right? Like.

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S- Should do. M- He got revenge. He killed everyone, but, you know, his kid. And the reason he

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didn't kill the other two kids that belonged to the families because they were in the same room as

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his kid. And he could compromise the mission almost by waking Justin up and then Justin having

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to see that it's his dad. So he just decided to leave that room completely untouched.

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M- Hmm. S- So it makes sense that it would be Martin, but then if it wasn't Martin, we don't

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want to stick to one person. We want to explore all the different corridors. So if it wasn't Martin,

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then why kill John and Dana? That's where things kind of get muddy. You know, you kill John and

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Dana, then why not go into the other room to kill the other kids? M- Yeah. Like all of them

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should have been a target. That goes back to what I said. Why was it just, what, four people?

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S- Unless it was Martin. M- It could have been all of them.

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S- The only scenario that makes sense in my head is Martin killing them and then not going to the

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other room because his kid's there. M- Well, now that you say it out loud, it kind of, I'm thinking

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about it. I'm like, yeah, that actually makes sense. Because you don't, I mean, he could have

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just followed through and killed his kid as well, but you wouldn't really want to do that. You'd

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kill the other two, but then, you know, he would wake up and go, dad, why are you killing people?

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S- Yeah, exactly. M- Screamed and horrified out of his head.

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just because she witnessed the murders herself, or, you know, she hid away, or, you know,

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it was more sinister reasons behind it. S- But then why not kill her there

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if she witnessed the murders, like the other kid?

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M- Maybe there was just a piece of the puzzle that, you know,

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it's like a hostage or something so they could get away. Or experimentation. There's so many

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avenues that you could go down. But the remains being found 50 miles away three years later just

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add so much more. There's so much could have happened within the three years. Did the killer

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take her? Decide that she was too risky to keep alive and then go, you know, oh, should have killed

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her there and then? Is it, oh, I don't know, she's still alive, people are still looking for her,

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they've caught glimpses like. Hmm.

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S- Yeah, because I guess, you know, in a case, Phil, that we used for research, it didn't really

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say anything about how long she had been dead by the time they find her remains. I guess she must

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have been dead for a while. So I don't think she was alive for those three years because her skull

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was found. So I'm guessing she was killed not long after the actual murders. So I don't think

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they had much time with her. S- That's another thing. Why just the skull? It could have been,

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I don't know, it could have been the brain matter. It could have been a leg. It could have been an

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arm. Why the skull? I guess we may never know. But what we do know is this case remains tangled

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mess of loose ends. Over the years, new evidence has surfaced, but nothing has brought us closer

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to solving the murders. It's been over 40 years and we're still left scratching our heads.

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M- Oh no, I was literally scratching my head throughout most of this episode because I'm

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just, there's a lot of things which don't add up. Now I kind of, I want to understand a bit more,

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but you can't because the kids are dead, the mother's dead, the police officers,

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the department, terrible. S- You never know. Nowadays, somebody might reopen the case and

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decide to look into it again. It might help the case, it might solve the case or, I don't know,

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but we can never give up on cases like this. And hopefully people keep doing everything they can

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to reopen these kinds of cases. M- Well, you actually get me onto my next point, which is

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investigators themselves, so not the department, like completely new people, reopened the case kind

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of 11 years ago in 2013, which is quite recent. So 30 years later, they found a hammer in a pond

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near Keddie, which was believed to be used in one of the murders, one of the bludgeonings. But

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like everything else in this case, it just leads to more questions than it does with answers. It

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just goes, instead of saying, oh, this is a hammer, this was used for this, this, this, this, it was,

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oh, we've just found a hammer. Why was it used? Where was it used? When was it used? Who used it?

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Like this? M- Why is it in this exact pond? Why, why is it dumped? One answer reveals 60 questions.

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S- Is this just a hammer that some random crackhead threw in the pond?

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M- Yeah. But honestly, if we were up to meet the Keddie Cabin 28, it feels like it belongs in a

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Twilight Zone episode. Just when you think you're getting close to an answer, something throws you

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back into the lip of confusion and frustration. S- It also does sound like a really, really good

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TV kind of name, I guess. TV show names, like Keddie Cabin 28. It's like a, I can see it like

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a cabin in the woods kind of vibe, where something new happens each time, but it's the same

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actors, all the same people. M- Like Keddie Cabin 28, one cabin, many different,

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S- Goes back in timelines and it's different. Like-

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M- So, Keddie Cabin 28, the same cabin, different timelines, different murders,

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different evidence, different cases. Like that'd be such a cool, but it's like obviously the same

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actors, as you said, it's the same family that stay there, but they get murdered different ways.

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S- Seems like we just found a show to create, haven't we?

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M- I know, right? Brought to you by AdSixs and Sevens.

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S- Oh no, but what happened through like one to 27? Why is it 28?

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M- That's just the cabin number. S- It'll be Keddie Cabin.

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M- Oh yeah, yes.

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S- But yeah, going back to it, the most frustrating part of this case is the people who might know

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what really happened are dead. Well, they're either dead, missing, or they actually never

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came forward. Obviously the therapist, they did come forward, but after years, so.

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M- And then if they managed to keep a therapist quiet for a few years, who else have they managed

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to keep quiet for more than just a few years? S- For life, guess that. People might be in

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prison with all this information and not say anything, even though it could help them get

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their prison sentence reduced or something. M- Oh yeah, did you hear about the guy,

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was it a week ago or something, that said that his cellmate confessed to the Madeline McCarran murder?

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M- Yeah. S- That's the thing.

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M- Yeah, a guy confessed to the Madeline McCarran murders and then looking into it. So he was

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actually arrested, I think on the suspicion of killing Maddie. I don't know, he was in prison

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anyway and he confessed to one of his cellmates that he actually did murder Maddie. And if they,

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he kind of asked if they can extract DNA from bones that such a long time afterwards. Anyway,

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we'll talk about this after the recording. It's very interesting.

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our Reddit, on our YouTube and our links, which we'll always link below. If you want to go and

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follow us on Reddit, it's r slash at sixes and sevens. We've got a TikTok, we've got a Facebook,

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we've got all of the socials. M- Absolutely. And the Keddy Cabin murders remain one of the creepiest,

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most baffling unsolved crimes in American history. The lack of answers, the mishandled evidence

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and the possible conspiracies, it's all enough to make you question everything.

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S- And that's kind of why I'm going to do a funny here. We're left at sixes and sevens with this

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one. A cold case, whole lot of chaos, murders, weapons, there's just so much to lean in on that

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we can't because, you know, we'd probably go on for hours and hours and hours upon end,

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but no neat bow to tie it all up. M- Just to really, we like it, I guess.

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S- But it is what it is, I guess. And that's all we have for today's episode.

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So we hope that we've left you sufficiently confused.

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M- As always, thank you for joining us in this world right through chaos and mystery.

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Until next time. S- If you do want to go and follow us, of course, go and follow our socials

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all below. It might not be a next episode. Will there be a-

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M- We never know, I guess. We might get murdered in a cabin.

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S- It's very sharp going to do it.