1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,080 Welcome back to At Sixes and Sevens, I am not Tommy and I'm not Rio. 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,840 Today we're diving into one of the most infamous hauntings in history, 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,200 which some of you might know, called the Enfield Poltergeist. 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,200 This is an interesting one. 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,880 This is like one of the most famous cases like out there. 6 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:36,640 The Enfield Poltergeist is in the late 1970s. 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,080 This case captivated the world with its strange occurrences and even stranger witnesses. 8 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,720 Now, from what I've kind of read and what I've researched about, 9 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,800 it's your classic tale of all your ghostly shenanigans that happened in movies, 10 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:58,400 like paranormal activity and all the basic kind of moving furniture or whatever. 11 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,800 They're all inspired by this. 12 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,880 Oh yeah. But it's more like your average family reunion, 13 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:10,320 but minus the awkward small talk with the family and just with a bit more, 14 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,440 you know, levitation and demonic chants. 15 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,360 That sounds rather pleasant, I'd say. 16 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,680 I wouldn't say it's pleasant. Not for them. 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,360 It's on my nerves. Yeah, so you just stop going, rawr, you know what? 18 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:33,440 Like, no. But the story itself revolves around a family called the Hodgson family, 19 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:40,320 who lived in kind of just a modest home in Enfield, North London, which is, well, 20 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:46,800 to be fair, it's actually not that far from me, which scary to think about, but we'll digress. 21 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:57,200 Now that is terrifying. Like, I love creepy places and all that, but to know that something 22 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,920 like that can happen so close to, even though you didn't grow up back then, 23 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,920 it still happened so close to where you grew up. 24 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:12,160 Well, yeah, I mean, at that point I could just pick up, pick up, I could just drive my killer 25 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:19,360 right to a haunt site. What was the name for it? Is it Haunt Site? The site of the haunts? 26 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,360 I think it's just... Haunted House? 27 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,840 Yeah. I'd say that's the correct terminology. 28 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,520 Haunted House sounds a bit better, yeah. 29 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,200 Yeah. Possessed. 30 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,720 Possessed, yeah. 31 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:33,440 Let's just go with that. 32 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:40,240 Yeah, I like that. So let's get started with the mother of God. 33 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,360 Let's get right into the news. 34 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,120 Peggy Hudgens. She was raising her four children. 35 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:58,240 Can anybody guess the names of the children? I bet you can. If you go back to 1970s and think of 36 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:05,920 four very common names like Margaret, Janet, Johnny and Billy, hey, by the way, that's the names of 37 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:11,520 the kids. Really? That was so generic. Very, very generic. I know, right? 38 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,000 Oh, God. Imagine being the mother. 39 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,840 I know. Gosh. Honestly, I wouldn't say they're bad names. There's worse names. 40 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,600 No, they're not bad names, but they're so generic and, you know, 41 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,360 could have at least spiced it up with, I don't know, something like Janiel. 42 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,160 Janiel? Like... 43 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,240 Janiel. Like January and Daniel. Like Janiel. 44 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,600 I thought it was Jack Daniels just mixed into one word. 45 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,520 Oh, of course the alcohol. I could see that. 46 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,720 That's, that's just me, you know? 47 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:56,080 She was raising her four kids when things took quite a paranormal turn. 48 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:02,000 Hmm. I mean, to be fair, it's just imagining juggling four kids and then having to deal 49 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,680 with furniture leaving their own. What? 50 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,360 I just imagined her juggling like four kids in the air. 51 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,240 Oh my God. No. Just like, all right, it's your turn, Johnny. 52 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,320 She's like, Margaret, Janet, Johnny, Billy, Margaret, Janet, Johnny, Billy. 53 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,360 They've made a song and it's like a daily routine. Come on kids, it's time to juggle. 54 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,920 She's like, ah, shit, Janet's levitating. She's not coming back down. 55 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,000 She started flying somehow and I'm not sure why. 56 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Oh, but you know. 57 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,880 Oh gosh. Sorry, my apologies. Go on. It's just my imagination. 58 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,080 I was just saying, like, talk about multitasking where, you know, you've got, 59 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:52,640 you're juggling four kids and you've got moving furniture flying all over the place. Yeah. 60 00:04:54,320 --> 00:05:00,400 What you're trying to say for people that can't take it seriously is she's trying to erase four 61 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,040 children and have to deal with furniture, get and move left, right and center by itself. 62 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,680 Yeah. Trying to raise four children. Yeah. 63 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,280 Dealing with, I don't know, Harry Potter kind of stuff where just 64 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:15,600 just, I'm glad it's just flying all over the place. 65 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:22,240 It's like when you try and, when you try and pronounce, for example, a Polish name, 66 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,560 when you try and pronounce a Polish first and surname, you know, the table starts 67 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,600 floating because my God, I have to pronounce. 68 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Hedowski. Oh my God. 69 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,640 God damn it. Not again. There goes grandma. 70 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,240 The furniture's moving again. 71 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:47,200 It's like that scene from Harry Potter where the auntie gets really fat and she floats away. 72 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,200 Oh my God. That doesn't remind me. I don't want to be traumatized again. 73 00:05:53,680 --> 00:06:01,120 Oh my goodness. But as I said earlier, it all began in the late 1970s. To be specific, it was 74 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:08,720 August 1977. And it all started with something simple as strange knocking sounds 75 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:15,600 on doors and walls. Just, you know, they would echo through the house. Just 76 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:23,200 standard knocking. That's it. You know, basically the British version of a ghost saying, 77 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,160 excuse me. It could have just been like the postman. 78 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,480 Chat chat. But can you open the door, please? 79 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,960 I'm trying to give you me a poster. Literally. 80 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:37,200 I'm just kind of like picturing in my head, like a typical evening where the kids are settled down 81 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:44,000 and you know, suddenly out of the blue, a chorus of mysterious knocks just begins echoing all 82 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:50,080 throughout the house. It's like you've got jungle drums, but instead it's on the walls. 83 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,520 It's too banjy, but part two. 84 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,320 You're like, oh no, here come the rhinos. 85 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,880 Oh my God. Oh no. 86 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,680 Oh. Peggy thought it might just be the kids playing tricks, you know, 87 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:14,880 like typical kids who play jungle drums. Oh yeah, yeah. The little mischievous kids. 88 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:21,760 Exactly. You know, it's what you expect having four kids, you know? 89 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:29,760 I mean, if like the knocking got worse and if it intensified, I think at that point, it's just, 90 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,680 I feel like Peggy herself would suspect that her kids are just being a bit of cheeky. 91 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:39,840 Yeah. And like who would blame her? Like at the end of the day, it's not every day that your home 92 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:46,160 turns into like a ghostly carnival. It sounds like something that would be put into beetle juice. 93 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,360 Oh yeah, really it would. My name is a rhumba, 94 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,160 Pete. And it's just like the kids just playing the drums or something. 95 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,480 Start samba and just go, 96 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,600 ah. That's so culturally appropriate. I'm sorry. 97 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:15,920 So things escalated from one to a hundred like quickly. When one night a chest of drawers moved 98 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:21,280 across the room all on its own. None of the kids were there. The mum wasn't moving anything. 99 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,200 I don't know how, but the drawers themselves just moved from one side of the room to the other. 100 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Right. I'm sorry, but a chest of drawers, especially like in the seventies. So that's 101 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:37,920 like old heavy wooden furniture. Oh, they're like massively heavy, like iron bolted kind of things. 102 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,720 Yeah. And like, I'm- With all the clothes in them as well. 103 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:49,200 Exactly. I'm pretty sure it was full as well. So I'm sorry, but not one, two, three or four of 104 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,680 the kids could move it all together. And I'm guessing the mother would struggle to move it. 105 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:58,160 And for it to move across the room, that's terrifying. 106 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,040 I mean, that ghost must have some supernatural strength. 107 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,800 Well damn, that ghost is built. I kind of want to, I kind of want to see this ghost, you know. 108 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:17,200 I just imagine like a Henry Cavill-esque ghost. I can see that. 109 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:23,440 Oh my God. Right. Let's stop exciting all the single moms and let's move on. 110 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,560 For all your single moms out there, keep watching. 111 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:29,280 It gets better. 112 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:36,800 We just described your dream man as a ghost. Don't worry women, he's single, but he's dead. 113 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:43,040 But no, that's like, see when that happened, that's, that's when Peggy knew she was screwed. 114 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:49,440 She was in for more than just, you know, she was in for a good night, but with Henry Cavill. 115 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:55,760 I know, right. But no, she knew she'd expect more. Like she knew it was just more than, you know, 116 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:03,440 the usual sibling kind of squabbles, you know? Yeah. No, of course you wouldn't kind of imagine 117 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,320 the moving chest of drawers from one side of the room to the other. Like imagine how much shock 118 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:13,440 she would be in. Like you're putting the kids to bed. Everything's nice. The furniture just 119 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:21,120 starts rearranging itself. Like it's auditioning for something like, woo! Opening the cupboards, 120 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,880 you know, clothes are flying out all over the place. The kids are trying to suffocate under 121 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,360 the covers. It's like that scene from Beauty and the Beast when the chest of drawers like starts 122 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,520 dressing Bella and you know, they're all getting her prepared and they start dancing about it and 123 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:41,120 all that. I bet you that's, that's what happened. But the horror and supernatural version of it. 124 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,360 Exactly. You know, rather than Beauty and the Beast and you know, happy ever after it's, 125 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:58,240 you're doomed. That's that. Go to sleep. But when a chair reportedly flew across the room, 126 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:04,080 Peggy's heart must have skipped a beat at that point. I would have been absolutely terrified. 127 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:12,240 So it moved from a chest of drawers and other small or bigger bits of furniture moving about 128 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:18,640 to actual furniture getting chucked across the room. You know how we were saying this, 129 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:29,360 um, this ghost was buff. Yeah. Right. Just humor me for a second. What if this ghost was a WWE 130 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:38,320 wrestler? Just wanted a smacker on the head with a chair. The Rock? It could be The Rock. It could 131 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:43,040 be John Cena. It could be Rey Mysterio. Who knows? The Undertaker would be kind of cool. 132 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:51,520 To be fair, it could be The Rock or Dwayne Johnson. He wanted it too. I mean, he's alive, so. 133 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:59,920 But I think, I think that was just the way of the ghost was saying, just kind of shut up, kids, 134 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:06,080 clean up, clean yourselves up or go to bed. I can't be bothered with you. So I'm just going to hold 135 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:11,760 your roof. The ghost felt bad for the mother raising the kids on her own. The ghost is like, 136 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,240 you know what? I want to chuck this chair at them to get them to go to bed and I'm going to help the 137 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:24,800 mother out here, you know, raise them with some, some consequences. Yeah. Right. As we go back to 138 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:30,720 the single mothers, oh my God, that's all coming back. Henry Cavill hit me up. I'm not a single 139 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:38,880 mother, but I could be, I could be for you. Um, but the reports of these events just began to 140 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:44,880 spread, you know, it started drawing attention with the neighbors and you know, you'd walk it 141 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:51,680 onto the streets and your neighbor would be like, so Betty, did you get a table put back into place? 142 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:59,360 Cause I heard you were moving furniture last night again. He's like, absolutely not. No. And it was 143 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:07,360 Henry, you know, I didn't know you had a man again. So yeah, it's the poltergeist just living about, 144 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:12,880 you know, it's fine. But also moved onto the media. If you're thinking about it as well, 145 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,160 how would the neighbors react to seeing furniture flying across a window? 146 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:24,560 Either one kid is super strong or there's like so much more going on there that probably needs 147 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:35,520 to be investigated. Yeah. See if I saw furniture fly across the room, um, at a neighbor's house, 148 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,720 I think to myself, I'd be like, all right. Yeah. That's, that's a domestic. 149 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:48,080 Just imagine if they had Twitter or like TikTok or anything back then just recording it and just 150 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,880 being like, yeah, this is just casual occurrence for my neighbors. Hashtag Enfield, 151 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,400 poltergeist just had a wardrobe levitate. What's your ghost story? 152 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:07,840 A day in the life of a poltergeist. Hashtag, hashtag what it's like to have a poltergeist 153 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:14,480 roommate. Oh, that'd be sick though. You'd be alone, but at the same point you wouldn't 154 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:21,120 because you'd have someone always there. Either way, the local media around kind of Enfield began 155 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:26,960 to swarm to this house just eager just to see what actually was happening. Of course, nothing's 156 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:33,200 changed. Oh yeah. No, if you would be interested, if you heard some, you know, some furniture was 157 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,200 flying around, you'd instantly go there and check it out. Wouldn't you? You wouldn't say, oh no, 158 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:42,000 I'm just going to leave it. You want to go and see what happens and how kind of supernatural it 159 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,720 actually is. You've got a good point. It's quite funny that, you know, everybody, as you said, 160 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:54,000 swarmed around and were interested in what was going on and sticking their noses through the 161 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:01,680 windows. It's like, Peggy should have charged them like admission fees. She's like, five pounds to 162 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,320 see the poltergeist chuck a chair. 10 pounds to see the poltergeist chuck a table. 20 quid to see 163 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:14,960 the poltergeist chuck Janet. To juggle the kids. Yeah. Go back to that one. Or if you get hit, 164 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:21,840 you get a refund at least. Or to get hit is even more. Yeah, you charge extra. To get hit by a 165 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:29,200 table, it's 50 pounds. Sounds like the greatest showman to me. Just one big scam. 166 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,000 Well, I wouldn't say it's a scam because it actually did happen. That's very true. 167 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:41,040 Good point. I think we should get into the investigators because I think this is where 168 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:47,600 it gets interesting because it's, I think they're like world renowned investigators, I believe. 169 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:54,400 I think they're like very famous ones. Before we do that, I'm just going to mention the ages 170 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:03,200 of everyone here. So, you know, Peggy, I don't know her age. I couldn't really find it, 171 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:11,200 but Margaret was 15, the oldest out of the four. Janet was 11. Johnny was 10 and Billy was seven. 172 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:17,680 And this all happened. So, very dangerous. Yeah. Between 1977 and 1979. I'm trying to think how 173 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,160 old they'd be to this day, but imagine if they still were. Yeah. Math doesn't math, does it? 174 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,560 Yeah, no, I'm not a great mathematician. Going back to the investigators though. 175 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:33,840 Mm-hmm. The most famous among them were, I'm going to butcher these names, were Maurice Gross 176 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:43,440 or Gross and Guy Lyon Playfair, which sounds like the most carnival based name. 177 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:49,360 It's very true. He literally has Lyon in his name and Playfair. 178 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,120 Yeah. I know that's the French name. They came there to see the juggled children 179 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,840 in the chucking of chairs. That's literally down their alley. She was like, 180 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,720 yeah, welcome to the kind of the weird circus. My name's Guy Lyon Playfair. 181 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:13,200 But he was from the Society of Physical Research, which I've never heard of that before actually. 182 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:19,840 The SPR, I guess. I've never heard of that either, honestly. I'm guessing it fell apart. 183 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:25,040 They went to the circus or something. SPR, SPR, SPR, SPR, some change. 184 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:34,080 Cause we're not an actual thing. But it's, it's the Society of Physical Research, but they arrived 185 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:40,000 with ghost hunting gear. Like they were ready to capture evidence of the supernatural. You know, 186 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:46,720 they came with all these EV detectors and all of that cool stuff that I really want to get myself 187 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,520 because... Oh yeah, like the stuff you got Phasmophobia and all that. Like, yeah, yeah. 188 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,680 The cameras, the tape recorders, you know, the 17th version of a ghost hunting toolkit. 189 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,880 Yeah, literally. That's it. That's the dream, honestly. 190 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,640 That's the thing. Like I watched Sam and Colby religiously. Like I was literally watching them 191 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:13,600 not long before starting this recording and oh my God, like see the stuff they do. It's incredible. 192 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:19,600 I was watching it with goosebumps the entire time and it's something that I want to do one day as 193 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,320 well. And I was going to say, what episode are we going to go to a haunted place and be like, 194 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:30,560 with all the gear and be like, yep, this is what we're doing today. I'd hate it. I'd love it. But 195 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,400 oh, you'd love it. But I'd be screaming and be like, I want to get out of here as soon as possible. 196 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,560 I've got a few side stories that we can talk about in a, you know, side stories episode. 197 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:47,520 And just about haunted places. It'll all be available for free. Eventually. So don't worry. 198 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:55,120 But the investigators were greeted by the Hutchins. Hodshins? I cannot pronounce this. Anyway, 199 00:18:55,120 --> 00:19:02,720 I'm just going to say the children. By the kids. Yeah. By the hogs. Yeah. By the hogs. I like that. 200 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:10,400 But they were greeted by the kids who were less thrilled to have them in their home. 201 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:18,560 Cause it turned into like a paranormal kind of petting zoo, like a circus. Once again, 202 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,360 where people are just walking. They still had to live there, didn't they? Exactly. It wasn't just 203 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:28,800 they had somewhere else to live. They had to live in that place. While the whole poltergeist and 204 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:36,400 haunting was going on. Yeah. It's not really fair. Imagine growing up in a house that's just got 205 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:43,360 strangers going in and out. Well, no, just imagine a kid and suddenly having to perform for a bunch 206 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:49,360 of adults with cameras. Like, well, it's basically what we do nowadays, but back then it was this 207 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:54,400 whole new thing. Where if someone came into your house with a camera, it's like, what is this thing? 208 00:19:54,400 --> 00:20:00,960 Mm hmm. Why is this man holding a crucifix and a candle levitating in my living room? 209 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:08,240 What is going on? It sounds like a, it sounds like a chant, like a sacrificial lamb or something. I 210 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,440 don't know. Strange. Oh, that's called throat singing. Oh, I can do that actually. 211 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,240 So can I, but not today. That will be on the page. 212 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:23,680 Yeah. Just us throat singing for like four hours straight. 213 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:36,400 Um, but you know, what really kept the story alive kind of was multiple eyewitness, eyewitnesses, 214 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:43,520 who actually saw things that they couldn't explain. So, you know, people would come around and try and 215 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:49,840 see things and just have a nosey, but they would physically see things and, you know, they'd become 216 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:56,160 eyewitnesses after just having a nosey. Yeah, but they couldn't say anything. Like they couldn't 217 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:04,080 explain what happened because it was so like starstruck. I think it's interesting because 218 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,880 they saw everything happened, but it's almost like a ghost has taken them over and like, they 219 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,320 don't want to explain it. Like maybe the ghost possessed them in that sense. Maybe I don't know. 220 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,760 Like I think even local police officers who were there were called to the Hodgson house, 221 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,040 just claimed to see that the chairs have been moving on their own. 222 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,720 So even the police claimed to see things. That's incredible. Interesting. How would you even deal 223 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:36,640 with that though? I know, right? Dispatch. I've got a moving chair. What? I've got three moving 224 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:46,640 chairs. Whoa. Okay. Yeah. I know. Right. Are they inviting us to dinner? What? Well, you're so kind. 225 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:54,800 So when you walk up to the table, right? And you'd see this in movies. When a guy and a 226 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:00,240 female were to sit at a table at a restaurant, the man would walk over around the other side, 227 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:05,520 pull the chair out, let the female sit and pull the chair back in. Exactly. So what if the ghosts 228 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,800 were just, sorry, the poltergeists were just trying to do that, but they didn't know their own 229 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:16,960 strengths. And I don't know if anybody's ever seen Jelena Phantoms, but basically ghosts need to learn 230 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:24,000 how to control, you know, their strength and then what they can do. So, you know, they try and pick 231 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,960 things up. They can't, and then they really need to focus to do something. So what if these poltergeists 232 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:37,120 were just learning? The rookies. Or, well, yeah, no, adding on to that, they don't know their own 233 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:41,600 strengths. So they were trying to like just slightly tug a chair out and instead they throw it through 234 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:47,760 the window. That's what I imagine anyway. I'd love to see that. Yeah. It would be fun to see, 235 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:54,480 but I'd be scared out my headlockers. I'd run out crying. I'd be vomiting out my shits and everything. 236 00:22:54,480 --> 00:23:01,120 I'd be the person who gets hit with the chair. And I'd be the one throwing it. 237 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,480 We don't even need poltergeists at this point. 238 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,680 But going back to what you said about the police actually seeing things. So one of the police, 239 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:26,640 the police officers actually ended up signing an affidavit saying that she saw a chair slide across 240 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:35,040 the room. Basically what that means is she swore, like she swore she saw it and... On oath kind of 241 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:43,840 thing. Like no lie, cap. And because she done that and she's an officer of the law, that kind of gave 242 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:53,680 the case a bit more weight, like, you know, pun intended. Oh dear, you and your puns, they're 243 00:23:53,680 --> 00:24:01,280 terrible. Sorry, I'm a 47 year old. Oh yeah. So I clearly know that. But a lot of strength apparently. 244 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:09,280 But yeah, so the neighbors and the visitors and all the kind of police and everything reported 245 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,720 seeing all these strange things too. So it wasn't just the police, it wasn't just the family, it was 246 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:22,560 neighbors, it was visitors, it was the paranormal investigators, whatever they were. So it wasn't 247 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,680 just like one person making these claims, it was a whole bunch of people in like a circle almost. 248 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,160 So then you had more trusted sources, of course. 249 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,440 Yeah, exactly. So if one of them said it, I said, I'll prove your point. And then it actually does 250 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:44,320 it. Like, oh wait, what? This again, you know, it contributed to the media for frenzy. It drew in 251 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:51,280 more curious onlookers and more paranormal enthusiasts as well, just, which made more 252 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,920 and more people come out there, but also made more and more people see it for themselves, 253 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:01,360 which made more and more eyewitnesses. You know, so it was this big, big circle. 254 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:08,400 And which also made the kids a bit more annoyed because they have, what, so many people coming 255 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:16,080 to see that house now. And it's a rotation, like it's a revolving door of people be like, 256 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,240 yeah, I want to see this poltergeist house. The children would be really pissed off. 257 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,400 Especially that the poltergeist was, was a friend, you know? 258 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,640 Oh. It was, you know, if, if you're lonely 259 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,000 and you don't really have a father figure going up. 260 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,080 Wait to point it out. I know I am. Jesus. 261 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,560 Listen, you don't really have a father figure going up. You know, you make friends with 262 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:44,640 Shadow. 263 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,320 Oh yeah. It's a single mum, isn't it? Yeah. 264 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,880 So what the kids done, they decided to name the poltergeist Fred. 265 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,000 Oh God. So generic again. 266 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,120 And you know what that done? 267 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,640 What? 268 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:08,560 It made him more active. You know, more objects were thrown and now the interesting thing starts. 269 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,120 The strange voices echoed through the halls. 270 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,800 So naming a ghost makes him speak apparently. 271 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,480 Yeah. Because what if that wasn't his name? Actually, that wasn't his name. 272 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,280 Do we know what the name was? 273 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:26,660 Bill. 274 00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:29,300 Bill. Yeah. 275 00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:32,820 Was it by any chance a- 276 00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:35,220 It wasn't the kid called Billy. It was Bill. 277 00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:41,300 No, no, no, no. But was it a triangular kind of ghost, a triangular pyramid or was it an 278 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:41,940 actual person? 279 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:49,140 It was an actual- it's a poltergeist. It's not a triangular thing. 280 00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:57,220 Yeah, but it could have been a triangle, you know, crack the cipher and all that. But like, 281 00:26:58,660 --> 00:27:02,420 going back to it, can you imagine living in a house where your ghost has a name? 282 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:07,940 The amount of things you could say is like, Fred, can you stop throwing my shoes again? 283 00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:12,100 I'm trying to go to school, man. You're just ruining my day. I'm trying to get to work. 284 00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:14,420 You're throwing my shoes about and I can't do anything. 285 00:27:14,420 --> 00:27:16,180 Go on in or do that. Go on in and stop. 286 00:27:16,180 --> 00:27:24,900 Can you stop that? I'm just trying to get my food and you're just, you know, flinging the fork all 287 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:25,460 over the place. 288 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:34,740 That is brilliant. You know, the kid's saying, Fred, um, can you pass me a fork, please? 289 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:40,340 Can you pass me the salt, please? Just start moving across the table. 290 00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:42,520 Right. 291 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,200 What a great father figure this ghost is. 292 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,760 The children also, um, often claim to see strange apparitions, 293 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,000 adding an extra layer of creepiness to an already tense situation. 294 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,880 So like a sleep paralysis demon? 295 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,120 Yeah, kind of. 296 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:02,600 Oh, Bill. They've just named this. 297 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,100 Fred. 298 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,720 Yeah, Bill, Fred or whatever it was. 299 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:07,800 Oh yeah, they named it Fred didn't they? 300 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:15,560 Oh, it wasn't just objects. Um, as well, I know you said about like just objects, but the, 301 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:23,640 um, the Hudson children, but especially Janet, I think Janet wasn't the other one, was she? 302 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,920 Uh, Janet is the, um, the 11 year old. 303 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,840 Okay. So she was, she was a mid-born, um, but she claimed to see shadowy figures lurking in the 304 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,800 house, like in the dark of night, she saw shadowy figures move about the house. 305 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:46,200 Oh, that's nasty because right now where, where I'm sitting is like, it's rather quite dark in my 306 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,600 room and it's just, you know, one little light. 307 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,560 You can just imagine it. 308 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,920 Yeah, literally. I just seen it in the corner of my eye. I'm like, ah, nah, I'm not going to 309 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,960 think about that tonight. 310 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,000 And then words of St. Nickelback, I'm a Burnish housewife. 311 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,440 St. Nickelback. 312 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,800 I'm a Burnish housewife. That's what I'm gonna do. If I see anything like that, this bitch is going 313 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,400 down down down down down. 314 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,000 Cause we all just don't want to be poltergeist living. 315 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,040 Oh my God. 316 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,360 That is incredible. 317 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:35,480 Oh God. But no, like shadowy figures. It's like having an uninvited guest. It just won't leave. 318 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,400 It's like a squatter. 319 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,200 But one that you can't touch. 320 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,920 A ghostly squatter. Yeah. You physically can't move him out. He's just staying there for life now. 321 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:52,360 But I think one of the most unsettling aspects was like this strange deep voice that Janet 322 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,920 seemed to channel during the haunting. 323 00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:01,560 What do you mean? She went from, hi, my name's Janet to, yo, what's up bitch? 324 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,600 Basically, yeah. Got a high pitched voice, but it's almost like the demon or the holtergeist 325 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,520 or whatever you want to call it spoke through her as a megaphone. 326 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:20,600 Oh nice. It's like Lilo and Stitch. Like when Stitch puts his nail on that thing and is a megaphone. 327 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,320 Yeah. But imagine a 12 year old girl. 328 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,040 Context. 329 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,760 She's getting kicked right across the room. 330 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,600 Be gone, bitch. Go away. 331 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:42,920 Be gone. 332 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:55,640 I'm a child of God. But apparently at times it sounded like an old man speaking through her. 333 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:03,240 You know, which, which obviously baffled even though even the most experienced 334 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,400 investigators, you know, they probably had never heard anything like it. 335 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:13,880 Yeah. I think that was at the point where the voice itself identified it. The 336 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,000 paranormal encounter is Bill. So that's where I think the name came from. 337 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:26,760 I think he was like a previous occupant of the house. That's what I've looked at anyway. 338 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:34,200 Interesting. Because that kind of proves that, you know, Janet didn't make this up because she 339 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:41,640 named the poltergeist Fred and all of a sudden it said its name is Bill. So, you know, if she wanted 340 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,440 to kind of keep going with the story and keep making up, she would be like, my name's Fred. 341 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,640 But it said a different name, which kind of proves that it's real. 342 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:58,520 Or she got everything completely wrong that he wanted to correct her in the only way he knew 343 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:08,760 how. And that was like through, well, just possessing her. Imagine. God damn you're so stupid. 344 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,280 You had one job. Get my name right. 345 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,720 He would say things like, just before I died, I went blind. Then I had a hemorrhoid, hemorrhage. 346 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:29,880 I was said a hemorrhoid. I had a hemorrhage and I fell asleep and died in the chair in the corner 347 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:35,400 downstairs. Creepy, right? Maybe not my voice, man. Can't really do it. 348 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,240 No, no, no. But a better voice than that. But very kind of deep and raspy. Yeah. 349 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:47,240 Imagine that coming from your little sister. So you were one of the siblings at that point. 350 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,800 All you can hear is just like that. I'm sorry. I wouldn't even let her finish 351 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,680 this sentence. I'd just sucker punch her right in the face. 352 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:02,440 Like, Hey, yo, what? Who are you? Just smack her with a pillow and just try to like shut her up. 353 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,480 And then she gets up. She's like, Oh, sorry. I burped. Or like I had an air bubble in my 354 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,480 throat and made me sound weird. I'm like, you still getting punched, bitch. Don't do that again. 355 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,280 Sorry. I'm going through puberty. My bad. 356 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,560 That was terrifying. It really is. 357 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:27,160 But no, she apparently spoke in this voice, like this horrible, raspy, gravelly voice for hours. 358 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:34,760 That must be your voice. I know, right? If I scream in the car for an hour, I come back and I'm like, 359 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,200 Hello? Help! Somebody, I can't talk. But you know, a child especially, 360 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,640 his voice isn't filled. Oh God. I don't even want to think about it. No damage it could do to vocal 361 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:56,040 cords. Exactly. She would do it without showing signs of strain. Oh yeah. It's bizarre. 362 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,320 I'm not even, I don't think anyone could do that. The only person who could do something like that 363 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,680 is, you know, professional screamers or professional. Yeah. Exactly. Like Oliver 364 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:15,240 Sykes, Chester Bennington, Toby Duncan, you know, people like that, but not a 12 year old, 365 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:23,000 11 year old girl who's just going, ah, for hours on end. And if she can do that, she needs to be 366 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:30,760 the new lead singer of Linkin Park. Oh, fully. I wholeheartedly agree with that. She'd do so well. 367 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,920 You know, just giving up and then screaming for like an hour straight instead. 368 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:44,760 Like, and today we have Janet AKA Bill. Janet AKA Bill Hodgson. 369 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:53,960 Exactly. Moving on though, the haunting itself. So moving back to the haunting, 370 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,920 it reached its peak during a seance that was held in the home. The atmosphere itself was like thick 371 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:07,400 with tension in like scenes you'd see in a horror movie, I think. Where everybody's like sitting 372 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,400 around the table and they're just kind of, they know something's going on. They know something's 373 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,400 going to happen. It's that eerie. That tension, that kind of built up like what is going to happen. 374 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:23,960 Is it going to be a jump scare? Is it going to be, what's his name? Henry Cavill. 375 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,320 Going back to good old Henry. Oh yeah, we need to. 376 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:38,760 But no, apparently during this event, Janet reportedly went into a trance like state. 377 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,200 And it's like the ghost was auditioning for our role in Ghostbusters. 378 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:53,080 Bill Murray burst down and goes, it's time for you to get in the trap. Just throw so many things 379 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:59,240 and start grabbing her with the proton pack. Yep. Sure. That's how we do it. That's how we dealt 380 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:04,600 with ghosts back in 1970s. What she does, she was standing in the corner with a Hoover on her back. 381 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:14,680 She was Henry the Hoover. The British Ghostbusters, Henry the Hoover. 382 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:24,680 Ghostbusters. Investigators though, they claim to capture chilling EVPs during this time. 383 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:34,360 Yeah. So I think that EVP is the machine that like reads signals and it lights up green or red. 384 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,880 Not EMP. Oh yeah. Not what you were trying to say. 385 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,760 Oh no. The EVP is the voice one. 386 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:47,640 Oh, okay. Oh my gosh. What does it say? Electronic voice phenomenon thing. 387 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:55,400 Oh, okay. So it picks up like frequencies like he said. Yeah. And it like kind of translates 388 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:05,240 it into words. Sam and Coby explained it better. I'm bad at explaining it. But yeah, it actually 389 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:14,680 captures real words from the other side. What the, you know, the poltergeist and what he was 390 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:20,760 trying to say. Yeah. The spiritual side. Yeah. The EVPs are known for capturing frequencies and 391 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:27,080 it's a way of spirits communicating with us through electronics. 392 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,960 Oh, that's got to be... That gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. 393 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,480 I know, right? Like especially that it's like, you know, the house is speaking itself. 394 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:46,120 You know, it's, you don't know a hundred percent that it's a specific spirit. It could be the 395 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:54,040 history of the house because a lot of houses hold within them. So it could be, you know, 396 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,400 the house was speaking to them through the EVP, you know, sharing its deep dark secrets. 397 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:06,120 Or alternatively, it could be the house going, please fix my leaky pipe. 398 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,160 Tommy, we did not need to know about your leaky pipe, okay? 399 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:16,360 Oh no. That was the only thing I could think of. I was trying to think of like, you know, fix my 400 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,920 plastering or like paint the walls or fix my wallpaper. But I went for leaky pipe instead. 401 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,060 Gorgeous. 402 00:38:26,060 --> 00:38:32,220 Yeah. But the real kicker was when Janet began speaking as Bill. Like obviously 403 00:38:32,860 --> 00:38:36,300 going back to that where Bill would speak through her, that was when 404 00:38:37,180 --> 00:38:43,020 all of the events would happen and all of kind of everyone felt like this was the peak of the 405 00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:51,500 haunting. Jesus. So while they were all like having a, you know, family gathering around the 406 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:58,860 table with the investigators, with the EVPs and everything. And you know, this probably 407 00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:03,100 the investigators were being skeptics at this point. They're like, okay, let's see how much 408 00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:09,660 of this is real. And the first thing that happens, the EVPs, they hear creepy stuff through that. 409 00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:16,140 And then the next thing that happens is Janet just, you know, being, oh, by the way, I'm 410 00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:26,860 possessed by a ghost who died in his very chair. He's right here, but I can't really show him. I'm 411 00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:33,420 just, you just have to take my word that I'm possessed by him. Exactly. That's a brilliant 412 00:39:33,420 --> 00:39:40,620 gathering. But you bring on to a great point with the skeptics and the criticism, like there were 413 00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:46,620 a lot of people who actually didn't think, and obviously if I heard it, I'd be like, yeah, sure. 414 00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:52,860 I doubt it because you wouldn't really see it until, you know, you wouldn't believe it until 415 00:39:52,860 --> 00:40:02,300 you see it. Yeah. No, of course. Like, well, some believed the stories of the family and others. 416 00:40:03,340 --> 00:40:09,900 Others accused them of faking an entire ordeal. Like, you know, the classic, the dog ate my homework 417 00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:19,420 kind of excuse. And he said it was a poltergeist has possessed me. It's like, imagine trying to 418 00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:25,660 get out of your homework that way. Actually, imagine you just, you know, remodel the house, 419 00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:31,260 you move cabinets all over the place. And then all of a sudden you find going to the kid's room and 420 00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:35,020 everything's all over the place. It's an absolute riot. You're going to think it's the kids and the 421 00:40:35,020 --> 00:40:43,820 kids later. Was it me? I swear it was a ghost. Yeah. Right. It's like getting the belt out. 422 00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:47,980 I physically didn't move it because I don't have the strength to, mother, think about it logically. 423 00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:53,340 No. Literally. Yep. But they pointed out to the children's behaviour, 424 00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:58,220 because obviously you wouldn't really blame the mother in that situation. Yeah. You blame to the 425 00:40:58,220 --> 00:41:04,220 kind of the kids. You know, cause you think that they were just like attention seeking, but at the 426 00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:10,780 end of the day, who would have wanted to be the star of their own ghost show? I swear MTV did a 427 00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:17,020 whole section on it. And you know, there's many YouTubers like Sam and Colby, TGF did it. Oh, 428 00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:23,900 I was thinking of MTV, MTV cribs. MTV cribs. Here's the poltergeist. MTV haunted house. Yeah. 429 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:34,300 Yeah. Absolutely. I agree. It's fair enough. They might, might be attention seeking, but 430 00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:41,260 come on, let's be realistic. They can't fake all this stuff. They're at the end of the day, they're 431 00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:49,500 15, 11, 10 and seven. I think there's not much you can do at that age. One of them has a void 432 00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:58,060 imagination, but the rest don't. Yeah. Well it's like 11 years old, cause that's how old Janet is. 433 00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:05,100 And Janet's the one that's getting targeted by Bill. 11 years old, you don't have an idea, but 434 00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:09,900 you know, being possessed or all this ghostly stuff or anything like that, you'd 435 00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:14,300 thinking about it, you'd have nightmares, nevermind reenacting it. 436 00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:20,460 Oh, I mean it wouldn't happen very rarely, but. 437 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:30,460 Yeah. And because of all the skeptics, you know, the investigators and all the people that came out 438 00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:36,300 to kind of see what was going on with their 1970s ghost toolkit, as you called it. 439 00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:42,220 They got a lot of hate and scrutiny. Like many would call them asking questions about their 440 00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:47,980 methods and their motivations as well. They'd question their job. 441 00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:53,580 I understand that because I don't think everyone would be convinced at the same point. 442 00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:55,020 Oh yeah, absolutely. 443 00:42:55,020 --> 00:43:00,780 People who doubt it point out that Janet had been caught on occasion bending spoons or faking other 444 00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:07,020 stuff. So there's no solid proof. There's no video. There wasn't anything like that. 445 00:43:09,340 --> 00:43:12,380 Who doesn't bend spoons every so often though? 446 00:43:13,180 --> 00:43:15,180 I'm a spoon bender. 447 00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:24,220 That's your new title, the spoon bender. You've got Avatar, the air bender, water bender, fire 448 00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:27,660 bender, Janet, Janet the spoon bender. 449 00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:32,220 Janet, Janet the spoon bender. 450 00:43:32,220 --> 00:43:33,980 The four nations attacked. Yeah. 451 00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:43,420 Oh my goodness. That's, I love that. She should be in the, the animations, you know, 452 00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:45,020 just bending spoons. 453 00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:46,540 The last spoon bender. 454 00:43:47,580 --> 00:43:49,420 Just throwing them at people. 455 00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:57,340 But you know, it didn't help her case that, you know, fair enough, she was a spoon bender. 456 00:43:59,660 --> 00:44:03,020 But she also admitted to faking some of the events. 457 00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:05,020 Oh come on. 458 00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:11,420 I know, though she claimed the majority of the hauntings were real. At that point, you know, 459 00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:16,060 I don't blame the people. It's like, oh, okay. So you fake that. So what else have you faked? 460 00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:21,900 Kind of thing. I mean, I think they also pointed out that the voice, you know, like obviously the 461 00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:27,900 deep manly raspy voice could have been also like a simple vocal trick, which, you know, the kid 462 00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:34,140 figured out somehow. Cause I'm not going to lie. They can be very good at mimicking things. And 463 00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:41,820 yeah, I think that's one of the things that she could have faked. But if you're doing it for hours 464 00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:48,140 on end, I don't think you could. Yeah. She's not vocally trained. She, no, her mother wasn't a 465 00:44:48,140 --> 00:44:53,820 singer. She wasn't either. Yeah. And it's the 1970s, you know, they probably didn't have the 466 00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:58,620 vocal coaches they have nowadays, you know, to have a vocal coach, you'd actually have to be 467 00:44:59,180 --> 00:45:05,660 in Hollywood or central London, have a ton of money to be able to afford it. You know, 468 00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:10,460 but yeah, it's not good. 469 00:45:10,460 --> 00:45:16,060 Was there another kind of a, oh, what was the other one? I couldn't remember what it was. They 470 00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:22,220 had another incident which skeptics just went completely mad about because they thought it was 471 00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:29,980 fake. Oh yeah. The photographs of Janet so-called floating, the levitation. That was it. Yeah. 472 00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:39,100 Yeah. The infamous levitation incident. It was questioned because there was... 473 00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:48,860 Exactly. There was a photograph of Janet so-called floating, but they believed that 474 00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:54,380 it was just her, you know, jumping on her bed, jumping off her bed kind of thing. But then 475 00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:59,660 you're not going to be floating straight up. I've not seen the photo. I couldn't find them anywhere. 476 00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:05,180 If it was a clear photo of her floating, the number of the camera, because obviously you've 477 00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:09,820 got the motion, haven't you? So if you're jumping, then you'd see motion movement, but if it's like 478 00:46:09,820 --> 00:46:16,620 a still photo... Which I imagine it was quite a still photo. Oh, I'd like to imagine that. 479 00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:21,500 It would have straight away been dismissed if it was blurry, just being like, yeah, 480 00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:28,540 it's clearly her jumping. It's only like recent technology can get a good still photo of something 481 00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:33,260 moving fast. Like somebody jumping can make it look like they're floating, but not in 1970s. 482 00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:40,380 So I think in this case, like a lot of people believed it, but at the same time, there was a 483 00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:46,380 lot of people who doubted it. And I mean, I'm not saying that I believe everything that was said, 484 00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:54,300 but there's a couple of things which I'd still doubt as well. Yeah, it's only natural to have 485 00:46:54,300 --> 00:47:01,660 questions in your head because we're used to the typical daily occurrences and whenever we're faced 486 00:47:01,660 --> 00:47:09,900 with something that's as bizarre and as weird as this, we will ask as many questions as we can. And 487 00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:19,100 as we can, and good enough, we are firm believers of all the paranormal and everything. We're still 488 00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:27,660 going to ask so many questions, you know? Oh yeah. Instead of asking just the what, we ask the what, 489 00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:37,580 the why, the who, the hell, the where. We go deep into it. But speaking of, what was it? 490 00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:45,660 All of this concluded within the children, didn't it? So the mother was purely untouched. 491 00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:56,780 She just saw all the things that happened. And the case itself had a lasting impact on the kids in 492 00:47:56,780 --> 00:48:03,100 the family. Obviously, as it would, you'd be traumatised. So they gained fame from it because 493 00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:10,620 it was the house of horrors. But it also came with all of its challenges and the long-term effects. 494 00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:19,260 As honestly any kind of case like that would, even nowadays, if I was to post on Facebook 495 00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:27,660 being like, oh my God, my chair just started hashtag floating, people would ask questions 496 00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:35,740 and be like, Billy, can I come round and see? And all that. I'm just going to the ghost house, mom. 497 00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:42,620 Yeah, literally nothing has changed nowadays. It's going to terrify them. If it was real, 498 00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:45,980 it's going to absolutely terrify them. And everywhere they're going to stay, they're going 499 00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:52,060 to be absolutely petrified. Not only did that haunt their house at the time, but also haunted 500 00:48:52,060 --> 00:49:00,460 their future. I think it was Janet that was later described how the events affected her. 501 00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:06,540 So she spoke up about it and kind of like stated to the news that it was both frightening, but also 502 00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:13,500 at the same time fascinating to understand. She was scared, but also she found it interesting and 503 00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:19,260 she kind of wanted to delve deep into it more, which is... It's only natural. Yeah, it is. 504 00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:28,460 It's the wonder of the world, isn't it? It's a weird thing in humans and all of us, 505 00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:34,300 we're all fascinated by weird things. So for her, it was kind of like binge watching a scary or 506 00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:39,020 weird series, but in real life kind of thing without the Netflix and chill. 507 00:49:39,020 --> 00:49:44,060 Oh God. Well, it would be Netflix and chill, but it'd be chills down your spine. 508 00:49:44,060 --> 00:49:47,580 Oh, exactly. Yeah, that was a good one. 509 00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:53,740 It'd be real life and chills. Real life and chills. That just suffer. 510 00:49:56,220 --> 00:50:03,260 But think about carrying that weight around as you grow up. Just even consider that. 511 00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:10,700 It's not just a childhood story that you can just write off. It will be a part of them for life 512 00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:15,660 and until the grave, maybe even after the grave, they'll haunt someone else. You never know. 513 00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:23,020 Yeah. It's kind of like Macaulay Culkin is always known as Kevin from Home Alone. 514 00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:31,340 She'll just always be known as the kid from the poltergeist that was possessed by a... 515 00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:32,460 She'll always be called Bill. 516 00:50:32,460 --> 00:50:38,700 Old, yeah, Bill. You can't do anything in your life apart from starting... Actually, no, 517 00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:42,460 you can't do anything in your life to forget about it. 518 00:50:42,460 --> 00:50:47,820 No, but I mean, the only thing you can do is go to the media and kind of 519 00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:54,220 tell your story and see if you can inspire other people or at least show it out, couldn't you? 520 00:50:55,100 --> 00:51:04,860 Yeah, but a lot of them did kind of just distance themselves from the haunting as they got older. 521 00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:10,540 So they wouldn't really talk about it in the media. They wouldn't really talk about it at all. 522 00:51:10,540 --> 00:51:12,380 I think Janet was the only one, I think. 523 00:51:12,940 --> 00:51:19,980 Yeah, I believe so. But even as she grew up, you've not really heard much from her since. 524 00:51:21,340 --> 00:51:24,380 We don't even know what's going on now kind of thing. 525 00:51:25,020 --> 00:51:29,900 Well, we can have a look into it, but I don't think it'll be much because, you know... 526 00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:31,420 It's just standard lives they're living. 527 00:51:31,420 --> 00:51:36,380 Not under the rug. Yeah, exactly. Nothing's happened to her. I think after the house, 528 00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:39,420 well, they moved out of the house, I think that's where it stopped. 529 00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:41,420 When they grew up and went, yeah, this one. 530 00:51:42,220 --> 00:51:49,260 Exactly. You do want to just move on with your life and, you know, kind of close that chapter off and 531 00:51:49,260 --> 00:51:52,860 try and leave it in the background, but you can only do what you can do. 532 00:51:53,820 --> 00:52:03,340 As I said earlier, the Enfield Poltergeist case did inspire so much. It is one of the most 533 00:52:03,340 --> 00:52:09,980 known cases without people knowing they know about it just because it's inspired so many documentaries, 534 00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:18,860 books and movies. Like The Conjuring 2 was inspired by the Enfield Poltergeist. 535 00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:20,860 We'll have to watch that again then. 536 00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:23,580 Oh, I love The Conjuring series. 537 00:52:24,220 --> 00:52:29,340 After reading through this and kind of looking at it, I might need to watch it again and go, 538 00:52:29,340 --> 00:52:37,260 Ooh. Absolutely. But that kind of brought the haunting into the mainstream and kind of made 539 00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:44,780 people aware of this stuff. And even though it's a movie and people think it's fake, but it is 540 00:52:44,780 --> 00:52:52,700 inspired by true stories and events. Absolutely. I don't know. Have you ever seen The Conjuring 541 00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:58,700 series by Sam and Kobe? I've seen a couple of the movies. Yeah. But obviously because I'm not a 542 00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:07,260 horror fan. I mean, Sam and Kobe went to the actual Conjuring series. Oh, you're going to have 543 00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:14,220 to watch that. So as everybody can tell, I'm a huge fan of them. So I'm going to talk about them 544 00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:24,300 quite a lot. Especially when it comes to paranormal episodes that we do. I will be referring back and 545 00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:32,300 forth to them. It's really a testament to how all of our fascination with the supernatural can turn 546 00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:39,180 ordinary people into cultural icons and these celebrities. Yeah. I think, well, even though 547 00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:43,660 they were on Vine, they went, I think it was Vine? I don't know. Yeah. It just started off with Vine. 548 00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:47,020 Do you remember the Vine audio that's like, 549 00:53:47,020 --> 00:54:07,020 like, that is Sam and Kobe. Really? Yeah. It was brought onto TikTok and it's still one of the 550 00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:12,940 biggest sounds out there. But if you watch a Sam and Kobe video and then listen to that sound, 551 00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:17,980 you can tell it's their voices. Interesting. I might need to actually just do some research 552 00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:24,220 with Sam and Kobe then because that's, I've never heard of that before. But the story has 553 00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:32,380 transcended its original context becoming part of today's pop culture in ways that 554 00:54:33,020 --> 00:54:39,820 the Hutchins family never imagined. For them, it was just a phenomenon in the moment and 555 00:54:39,820 --> 00:54:45,100 had enough people and media and investigators gathered around at that time. They didn't think 556 00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:53,900 it's going to cause such a cultural impact on decades later. Of future generations. Yeah. 557 00:54:53,900 --> 00:55:00,460 It's one of those cases that just lingers in public consciousness. Like it doesn't stop. It 558 00:55:00,460 --> 00:55:07,660 just sparks even more debate, starts even more discussions decades later than actually it occurred. 559 00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:20,060 Like look at us now. It is 2024 and we're doing a full episode on this. Yeah. Do we even know 560 00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:30,380 what's happened in kind of recent times with it? I have no clue. I'm just focusing on the past 561 00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:37,260 events. Maybe we will do a follow up episode on some of the cases that we covered just to see 562 00:55:37,260 --> 00:55:46,060 what's happening now with the places. Yeah. Oh, that'd be great. Just kind of like go back on our 563 00:55:46,060 --> 00:55:51,180 cases and be like, Oh, this is what happened quite recently. That'd be kind of an interesting thing 564 00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:58,140 to do. Go back to a moment. Go back over all the case and kind of go through some of the recap 565 00:55:58,140 --> 00:56:05,020 basically and then go to recent events. Yeah. Yeah. Like obviously there has been things in recent 566 00:56:05,020 --> 00:56:11,900 years, like there's been renewed interest in the case like us and other investigators, 567 00:56:14,460 --> 00:56:19,740 documentaries aiming to shed light on what really happened with the Enfield Poltergeist. 568 00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:24,300 I think they're still trying to piece together like puzzle pieces and 569 00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:29,820 of the Hodgson family themselves. And they're all like their ghostly roommate, you know? 570 00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:36,300 Yeah. Exactly. But the truth is, is elusive much like the ghost itself. 571 00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:43,020 Like what you did there. Yeah. I think it seems like every few years though, 572 00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:47,100 someone comes out with a new theory or like a fresh take on the events. 573 00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:51,980 So I think that's why we should go back to it. Oh, absolutely. To see what other people are 574 00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:56,780 actually saying and kind of get other people's opinions on it. Yeah. Because even though it's 575 00:56:56,780 --> 00:57:09,660 such an old case, people daily kind of blow the dust off it and reopen the file like us, you know? 576 00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:15,820 Oh yeah. We love doing that. It just goes to show that some mysteries refuse to stay buried, you know? 577 00:57:19,180 --> 00:57:22,860 I don't know. But anyway. I think that's all we have though. 578 00:57:22,860 --> 00:57:29,420 Yeah. That's it. It's everything we could give you. But why don't we keep the conversation going? 579 00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:37,900 We want yous to find out more information. We want yous to tell us what yous found out. Tell us, 580 00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:44,540 you know, stuff we may have missed. We want to keep it going. We don't want it to end 581 00:57:44,540 --> 00:57:51,420 as soon as we stop recording. We want it to keep going. Whether that's on TikTok, whether that's on, 582 00:57:51,420 --> 00:58:01,260 you know, in the comment section on Spotify. Yeah. So whether you believe in the paranormal or not, 583 00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:07,660 the Enfield Fort Geist remains a captivating story that blurs the light between reality and 584 00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:15,900 supernatural. But also thank you guys for humoring us and joining us on kind of all these 585 00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:22,140 spooky journeys and the future ones we're going to make. And just as a little PS from me, 586 00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:27,420 don't forget to check onto your bed tonight, just in case, you know? It might be Henry 587 00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:35,660 Camel, the sleep paralysis demon. Who knows? And don't forget where you put your furniture as well. 588 00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:42,140 Make sure it's always in the right place. Yeah. Tie it down or, you know, nail it down if you need to. 589 00:58:42,140 --> 00:58:45,180 Keep your furniture in a tight leash. 590 00:58:45,180 --> 00:59:10,380 But anyway, stay curious, stay safe and remember the truth is often stranger than fiction.