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It's what we can do with competitive athletes.

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So you can profile someone and essentially estimate

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their risk. And you can say, well, okay, you

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might not have passed out now, but looking at

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this, if you get much stronger, we think you

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probably will. So let's address it. Hi, Sinead.

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It's my pleasure to have you on Evidence Strong

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Show. Please briefly introduce yourself. Hello.

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No, thanks for having me. So yeah, I'm Sinead.

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I am a performance nutritionist and physiologist

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and I work... Primarily, well, I've sort of always

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worked primarily in strength, power sports, weight

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making sports and kind of extreme ultra adventures.

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And yeah, now primarily in weightlifting, at

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least from the nutrition perspective. What I

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care about is kind of how the body works and

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how you get it to do what you want it to do.

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Awesome. So today we are talking about weightlifters'

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blackouts. So let's start with some kind of definition.

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Yeah. So typically on a clean and jerk, usually

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once the clean's been stood up or partially stood

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up. up before the jerk someone passes out essentially

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either completely and just fails backwards or

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just gets dizzy and has to drop the bar because

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you know they're seeing stars and the world is

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swirling why does it happen so in many ways we

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don't know but in that there's no form you know

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there's no research out there that says these

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are the xyz causes what we've done is said well

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mechanistically like if we think about how the

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body works what could it be and then If it does

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happen to someone regularly, cool. Can we test

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those parameters? See what one it's likely to

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be, address it, and does it fix it? What I'm

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going to take away for a moment is obviously

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just hitting your artery. That is going to send

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you... out regardless so that's a technique piece

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but if we're thinking no technically you've done

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a lovely clean but you've passed out there are

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a few reasons when we think about how the body

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works and what it's doing when it does a clean

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that might be likely so the first thing to think

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about or maybe the main thing to think about

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is when you are cleaning a near maximal weight

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your lower body is working really hard if you

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are a weightlifter you have a lot of muscle relative

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to your total body size in your button in your

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legs and they are doing that clean and so what

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will happen in that situation is you get all

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the blood rushing to those working muscles because

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you're asking those muscles to do a huge amount

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of work i .e produce a massive amount of energy

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so that you can actually move that load so you

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get a very high proportion of the blood into

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your button legs so you have a lower proportion

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than normal going to your brain lack of oxygen

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to the brain is what causes you to pass out so

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if we think about it like that there are a few

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things that we think could be causing someone

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to be susceptible to that. The first, dehydration.

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If you are dehydrated, you have less blood volume.

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So if you've got less blood volume and most of

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that volume is going to your legs, even less

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is going to your brain, you're more likely to

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pass out. So dehydration, we think, is a major

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factor or potential factor. If someone has low

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blood pressure anyway, which can be a consequence

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of dehydration, but someone can have low blood

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pressure for other reasons. Again, this is not...

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so much about blood volume. It's about their

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body's capacity to get it to their brain quickly.

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So someone does a clean, they stand up, they

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can't pump the blood to their brain fast enough,

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they pass out. Then on top of those two things,

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if someone is dehydrated and or has naturally

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low blood pressure or both, they're definitely

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going to pass out. What will further delay that

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is say someone has done a clean that's maybe

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not so pretty and they've grind it up against

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a longer period of time with less blood and oxygen.

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to the brain more blood and oxygen to those working

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leg muscles higher likelihood of passing out

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so the time piece is is important as well like

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how how long are you stuck at the bottom with

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everything going to your leg muscles and your

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butt to be like stand up stand up stand up less

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and less potentially going to your brain so then

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what can layer into that is something that we're

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we're looking at as well is your blood glucose

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levels so low blood glucose or high blood glucose

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can potentially delay reaction times again if

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you've got a reaction time, which means that

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you are in the working part of the clean for

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longer, potentially less blood and oxygen to

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the brain pass out. And again, some people are

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going to be more or less sensitive to this. Why

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glucose levels will influence reaction time?

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How does it happen? Because glucose powers the

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brain and glucose powers neurons and your movement

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depends on the nervous signals telling your legs,

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arms, et cetera, to move. So if that signal,

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and so your reaction times are... slower, your

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movement and coordination can be off. Your research

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at the moment is what are the optimal blood glucose

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levels for people playing esports, like Formula

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One drivers, where reaction time is everything

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and boxers as well, actually. But you can apply

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that in kind of any setting where rapid coordinated

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movement is really important for maximal force.

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Okay. And why high blood sugar? Because, you

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know, weightlifters snuck on lollies, powerlifters

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snuck on lollies also while they're competing.

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So would... Could that be detrimental and how?

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Same for most things. There's kind of an optimal

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window where you can have too much of a good

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thing. I will say that I've never actually come

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across a weightlifter with too high blood glucose

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in this scenario. That's more theoretical. Particularly

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if individuals have made weight by reducing carbohydrate

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intake, it's much more likely that they're going

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to have low blood glucose rather than high blood

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glucose. Particularly, you've only got your out

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of window. Adrenaline has played in on top. You've

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already lifted. And again, it does depend how

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dependent you are in particular on glucose and

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how much you've managed to consume. But yeah,

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too much can also slow. High blood glucoses,

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high persistent blood glucoses is suboptimal,

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as is low persistent blood glucose. So it's kind

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of like a working window. All right. How about

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the belt? Again, this is very much observational.

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But certainly if someone's belt is too tight,

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you're more likely to pass out. Because again,

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you've got a huge amount of... blood pressure

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pushing it down to your legs it's not going to

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come back up as quickly particularly with that

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rapid change in from being low to the ground

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to being high to the ground which causes a lot

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of people to pass out anyway because you get

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a temporary imbalance essentially in blood pressure

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so if you're you're moved you're standing up

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and you've essentially got an obstruction to

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your blood getting back up to your brain it's

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potentially gonna not be good okay so we covered

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dehydration blood pressure low blood pressure

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time how long the person gets up from the clean

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and glucose levels and potentially the belt also

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anything else and potentially aerobic fitness

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as well so where which part of your aerobic system

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is your weakest part so we don't often think

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about aerobic fitness when it comes to weight

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lifting and it's not really about your absolute

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fitness it's more about so your aerobic fitness

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or your the way your body can use oxygen in exercise

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is dependent on three things. How good you are

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at breathing in oxygen and getting that into

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your blood. How good, so that's your uptake.

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So you're like respiratory capacity. How good

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your heart is at pumping it around your body.

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And then how good your muscles are at using it.

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And even if you're the fittest person in the

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world, one of those three elements is why you're

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not even fitter. And theoretically, for example,

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from a dizziness perspective, and again, this

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is all very hypothetical. We're thinking, very

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mechanistic it is research we want to do it's

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not research we've done but theoretically so

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if someone's weakness is their ability of their

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muscles to to utilize oxygen i wouldn't think

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that would impact dizziness because that's not

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impacting the oxygen to your brain your muscles

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will feel like hell and you probably will struggle

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if you've only got two minutes to get back if

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you know you're following yourself but you're

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probably not gonna get dizzy i wouldn't expect

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anyway but for example if you're really bad at

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breathing in oxygen and all the oxygen you have

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had has just gone to your working muscles muscles,

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you're going to, even when you stand up from

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the clean, breathing in with the barbell sat

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there, you might not get enough oxygen in to

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keep your brain working and you might pass out.

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Or similarly, if we're thinking about that blood

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pressure piece, if your heart is relatively weak,

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then it's going to have, it might have trouble

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when you've just cleaned a heavy load, then you've

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stood up really quickly, particularly if your

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belt's tight, to pump enough blood to your brain

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to keep the oxygen there. So yeah, there is an

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intersection there. between your aerobic fitness

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and potentially your physical capacity. Could

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we just touch on how to... potentially train

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these three components for weightlifters so very

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specifically you know that the minimal required

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dose that every weightlifter should consider

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how how we would think about that yeah so i think

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and again so you kind of first want to know where

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your limitation is because you kind of don't

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want to be doing necessarily something for everything

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as a weightlifter because you don't want to fatigue

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yourself in that regards to the detriment of

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your weightlifting And also, you will get some...

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energetic system training just from doing the

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training you're doing so it's not about improving

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your overall fitness by that much but it's making

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sure you do have that top end because in your

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training every day you're not maxing out I hope

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so you know you need to be able to max out and

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have the energetic systems to do that and to

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recover between sets so and between training

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sessions so I would say you know if you're like

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you know what I'm just unfit like my heart's

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not great like I know I'm just I know I'm just

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not a fit person outside weightlifting then I

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would say you know probably the thing you should

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do is just some low intensity exercise once a

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week so maybe 20 to 30 minutes of exercise where

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you could still hold a conversation like it's

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that gentle and what we're looking for here when

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we're doing aerobic training for weightlifters

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is how can we put some stress on in this case

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the cardiovascular system with minimal stress

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on trunk arms and legs so the two modalities

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that I would typically recommend weightlifters

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use you don't need to use both one or the other

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would be an echo bike or an assault bike so the

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bikes where you're using your arms and legs or

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swimming the reason being your heart is having

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to work to power all four limbs but each of those

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limbs doesn't relatively speaking have to do

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much work because they're all contributing a

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little bit to the stress on the heart whereas

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say for example if you're just on a stationary

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bike so your arms aren't working well you've

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only got two legs that have to create enough

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stress on the heart. So they have to work relatively

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harder. Whereas if you've got that workload spread

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between arms and legs, they don't have to work

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as hard. So yeah, I always recommend things that

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use four limbs. I do not recommend running for

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weightlifters, like poor knees anyway, add on

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running on top, not usually a great idea. I'm

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roaring. So the flexion and extension on the

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back, I think is for most weightlifters, particularly

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if you know, you're strong enough to be competitive.

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I think the load on the back is problem. there

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even if you've got good technique I just think

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that that flexion and extension on the back is

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potentially problematic when you're then sort

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of you know using your back for sort of all your

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lifting as well theoretically yes though theoretically

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a great way to stress out the heart but yeah

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I just think that the stress on the back is usually

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a bit too much awesome if your limitation is

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more likely respiratory so your ability to get

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oxygen kind of into the blood that's kind of

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yucky sub -threshold intervals so kind of four

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sets four minutes on four minutes off with different

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intensities depending how fit you are and and

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kind of where you are at in sort of a cycle of

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that training but it's those kind of it's that

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it's the sub -threshold intervals and there you

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definitely want to be doing it probably on a

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on an echo bike or an assault bike because that's

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gonna have relatively the the least fatiguing

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impact on the limbs but you definitely when you

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do something like that you definitely need to

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consider that in terms of is this going to have

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a detrimental impact on my training can i actually

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recover from it what's the sort of relative benefit

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whereas with the zone two stuff you're fine like

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you know you're not doing you're not doing sort

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of you know iron man two hours on the bike you're

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doing 20 to 30 minutes like you'll be fine do

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that and go for a long walk every day and you're

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fine it's not going to detrimentally impact it's

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probably going to just improve your recovery

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by getting more blood flow around the body but

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those sub -threshold intervals you do need to

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think a bit more intelligently about Like, you

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know, I wouldn't I wouldn't say come in in the

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morning, do those intervals and then this afternoon

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do whatever your technical lifting is, followed

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by a load of heavy squats and pulls. Like that's

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that's asking for sort of face first asleep for,

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you know, three days afterwards hobbling along.

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So, you know, you've got to be a bit strategic

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about that. So how would you place it in the

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training program? I would say do it on. a recovery

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day so ideally say if you're lifting five days

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a week have it on one of the other two days and

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it's not so I would say have it do it in the

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morning of that day because then you've got probably

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at least 24 hours if you're doing your lifting

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session the next morning to kind of recover from

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it it's not so much of a problem the fact that

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you might have lifted last night or whatever

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but sort of doing it that morning so you've then

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got a day to recover is is probably and also

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so that then later in the day if you do recovery

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activity you can go and do your, I don't know,

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sauna or whatever it is, gentle walk in the sun

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to make you happy, that sort of thing. You can

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do that later that day. What do you think about

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adding it after the session before the rest day?

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So would that be something to consider? It would.

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I think that would definitely be an individual

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discussion. So the things it would depend on

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would be how fatigued are you after your session?

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So can you actually hit the stimulus required

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in those intervals? Placing like the zone two

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or whatever, the easy stuff after a session,

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that's no problem. But with the intervals, can

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you actually do them? And will... That's one

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thing. Can you do them? The other thing to consider

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is can you then recover from that increased load?

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So, you know, you can kind of be like, well,

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now I've kind of got it all out the way. I've

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got 36 hours to recover. But stress isn't kind

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of linear in terms of training. Like if you kind

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of tip someone over the edge, it takes proportionally

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a lot more to like. recover from so can they

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recover from it and kind of closely linked to

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that will they essentially have not get maximal

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benefit from their training session because they've

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added another stress on top which has meant their

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body's just gone oh hell no essentially and you

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kind of don't it almost ignores that stimulus

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from training in terms of the recovery and adaptation

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so yeah if someone is like super young and bouncy

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and you know seems to be able to like kill themselves

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every day and still recover and accelerate in

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their progression faster than you would ever

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think. A, that person probably doesn't need the

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subthroat shoulder. Say they did. You could probably

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shove it at the end of a training session. But

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I would say the more advanced you are, the more

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you know you need to prioritize recovery, the

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more value you'll probably get from splitting

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it. Awesome. Anything for the muscles? So the

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muscle utilization, yes. So I say whether you

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need to address that or not, that's going to

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be... At least, and again, this is very what

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we assume, not what we know, if we can know anything

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about exercise. But what I would assume with,

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and what, yeah, my theory. that again hopefully

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we'll test one properly test one day in some

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robust research but my theory would be the muscle

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utilization if that's an issue that you have

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the time you would address that or need to address

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it would be if it seems to be impairing your

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capacity within a session so what i mean by that

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is can you recover between sets because your

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ability of your muscles to use oxygen is essentially

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how you can do one set and then hit another set

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rather than just looking at the bar and not being

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able to lift it on sort of set two or three,

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because ultimately all movement is aerobic. It

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might not be aerobic in the minute, you know,

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lifting is not aerobic during the lift, that

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it needs way too much energy, way too quickly.

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The aerobic system doesn't do that. It's anaerobic,

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but to recover from the anaerobic effort needs

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oxygen. So you do a set, the set will become

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aerobic if you're doing like 10 to 15 reps, but

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you know, weightlifters, not bodybuilders. Say

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you do sort of one, two, three reps. That's not

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really going to be hugely in the moment aerobic,

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relatively speaking. But if you want to do that

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one, two, three reps again, your muscles need

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to recover between the sets and that is aerobic.

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Potentially, if your muscle utilization of oxygen

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is poor, you might need to address it to recover.

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I'm not actually sure in reality how often you

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might see that because the training you do will

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also train your body's, your muscle's ability

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to use oxygen between sets. So you kind of build

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that with your fitness. I would say that's probably,

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there will be some individuals out there. There's

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a couple of people I've seen who I suspect it

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might be the case in, but to a degree you're...

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sort of your weightlifting training kind of trains

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that. And I would say if it's something, if you

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do feel like you struggle to recover between

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sets, then whether it's that or whether it's

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something like your anaerobic, like your glycolytic

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capacity isn't great or whatever, actually maybe

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it would improve if you just introduced some

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EMOMs rather than doing cardio per se. That might

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be enough of a stimulus to get what you need

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for weightlifting. But I'm not sure in that regard.

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Definitely need to do some more playing to figure

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that out for sure. But I would say, yeah, something

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like an EMOMS and things like that, which are

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going to get people probably more anaerobically

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robust and potentially that recovery muscle utilization

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piece as well. Anything with nutrition? We didn't

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even touch food yet, but would you have something

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to add with nutrition? Yeah, so I mean, from,

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I would say it's obviously on the dizziness side,

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always be hydrated. Dizziness aside, hydration

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is actually really, really important to force

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production, so power. So you need to be hydrated

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to lift well and lift well consistently in whether

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it's training or whether it's competition. So

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hydration should always be a focus. Carbohydrates,

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because they are the fuel for lifting heavy or

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lifting repeatedly because your body needs energy

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fast. The only thing that produces energy fast

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is carbohydrates. And so you need to eat sufficient

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carbohydrates and sufficient carbohydrates plays

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into all those energy systems as well, because

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it will allow you to push as hard as you can

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in training or as hard as you need. to in training

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you push as hard as you need to in training everything

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improves assuming you recover and adapt so they're

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really important sort of in in that regard when

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we're thinking specifically about some of these

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limitations i would say there might be a scenario

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where if someone is for example delivery limited

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so they're that classic what you might call less

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fit person maybe nitrate supplementation is of

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benefit to them we haven't really looked at that

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specifically in the context of lifting we have

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looked at it a little bit in the context of strength

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development and it does seem to have a role but

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nitrate supplementation might help someone to

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get more oxygen around their body during exercise

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what are some mechanisms it can cause aids vasodilation

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so it's like widening of the blood vessels so

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if your heart's not great at get pushing blood

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around really quickly at least if you've got

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wider vessels in the working muscles what is

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going around you're going to get more filling

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it but There's still a lot of debate around how,

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if you're well -trained, nitrates can't do more

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than your body can already do. And so I'm not

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sure where that might fall into the spectrum

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for a weightlifter in that respect. And no one's

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really looked at it. And it's not something I

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use regularly with individuals, if I'm honest.

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I do get them to eat foods with nitrates in,

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but it's not really specifically for that purpose.

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It's just because great for health more broadly.

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But it could be something that if someone wants

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to try, play with it. see how you get on kind

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of thing. If you are using a nitrate supplement,

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don't use one if you use antibacterial mouthwash

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because then it won't work. You need the bacteria

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in your mouth to act on the nitrates. I would

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say, yeah, sufficient hydration, sufficient carbohydrates.

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And then more broadly, I mean, the first principle

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of sports nutrition for anything is health. So,

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you know, your body works best. It will train

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harder. It will certainly recover better if you

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are healthy and robust. Getting fitter, faster,

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stronger relies on the immune system. The immune

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system... is kind of the reflection in a way

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of, you know, body health. So eat enough protein,

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eat enough calories overall, get five colours

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of fruit and veg in, eat some oily fish, eat

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some stuff with iron and eat some stuff with

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calcium, which sounds like a lot. But to be honest,

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it's just eat a variety of food with different

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colours and don't stress too much about it. You'll

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be fine. Not always easy, but it's quite simple.

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What we see most often is the maximal effort

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would bring the blackout in Red Lifter, which

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happens at the... competitions and but what also

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happens is for the competition is regulation

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or manipulation of weight so athletes go up or

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go down specifically for that competition and

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then they try so this is stress and then they

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try to double the stress by by maxing out or

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going close to to that level how now this process

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of cutting weight and of course there are many

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ways and and many timelines so how should we

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navigate and understand that in the context of

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the risk for an athlete of blacking out yeah

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so i think the first thing is to establish is

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someone someone it is an individual someone who

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who's likely to pass out um so what will inform

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that is have they done it before you know have

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they do they find they black out in training

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or have they blacked out in competition before

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so okay they might be someone at high risk and

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you can also just when they're lifting in training

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this is obviously requires a little bit more

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equipment and someone to to assess you but you

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know you can look at things like hydration status

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you can measure those parameters of fitness you

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can look at blood pressure you can look at circulating

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oxygen after a lift like pulse using a pulse

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oximeter and you can look at muscle oxygenation

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it's technical it requires kit you know it's

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what we we can do with competitive athletes so

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you can profile someone and essentially estimate

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their risk and you can say well okay you might

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not have passed out now but looking at this if

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you get much stronger we think you probably will

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so let's address it um so you could you can forecast

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and again this is all very preliminary because

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we're still figuring it all out but yeah so you

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can profile someone and or you just use past

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experience like yeah you passed out five out

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of the last six of your final clean and jerks

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it's a problem kind of thing and then if you

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say if you've sort of assessed someone or you've

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got evidence that it's a problem for you then

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yeah the next question is okay well how do we

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address it so Ideally, I'm going to take away

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all the super technical equipment because I appreciate

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a lot of people won't have access to someone

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who can do all that testing with them. So we

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have a lifter who definitely has a problem. Now,

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how are we going about deciding which parameters

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to manipulate and how? Yeah, so... If someone

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is, yeah, you've got evidence that they do pass

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out, then the first things I look at are, we

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will talk a little bit about equipment actually,

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so I'll look at blood pressure immediately after

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moderate to heavy lifts. I'll look at circulating

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oxygen immediately and after heavy lifts, look

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at blood glucose and look at hydration status.

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If you don't have the kit to do that, what I

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would say is look at hydration status. When was

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the last time you peed and what colour was it?

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Hopefully it was in session and very light. and

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hopefully it's like that in competition then

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I'd also look at someone's diet and be like is

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it likely that they're eating enough carbohydrates

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in and around training and obviously in a competition

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setting what do you normally do after weighing

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and what's your your weight making process so

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you can kind of estimate okay well this is how

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many carbohydrates you've actually got available

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to you do we think that's enough to lift Then

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with that information, I can be like, right,

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okay, your blood pressure looks normal. Cool.

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Circulating oxygen looks normal. Fine. Oh, you're

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dehydrated. Right. We need to get a lot more

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water and salt in you after you weigh in. Blood

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glucose, low, borderline. We need to get more

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carbohydrates in you. Like I say, I do that with

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testing. But if you've got an athlete and you're

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like, well, I can't do all this testing. My first

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thing would be whatever they're doing, hydration

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and carbohydrate wise post weigh in, do more.

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And obviously if someone... is really susceptible

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to it then and they do have to cut weight for

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competition then it's going to be a case of you

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know what we've whacked up if we put any more

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fluid or carbohydrate in you post weighing you're

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going to vomit um the minute you do a heavy clean

00:24:50.250 --> 00:24:53.730
cool yeah sorry if you're making weight by dehydration

00:24:53.730 --> 00:24:55.710
and carbohydrates this isn't going to work you

00:24:55.710 --> 00:24:57.549
need to find another way you need to use other

00:24:57.549 --> 00:24:59.910
strategies to make weight because we just can't

00:24:59.910 --> 00:25:03.069
get enough back in you post weighing in order

00:25:03.069 --> 00:25:06.170
to for you to actually be able to perform. Like

00:25:06.170 --> 00:25:09.130
the body can only absorb fluid and salt and carbohydrates

00:25:09.130 --> 00:25:11.589
at a certain rate. And you've only got, what,

00:25:11.630 --> 00:25:13.569
two and a half hours, two and a half, three hours

00:25:13.569 --> 00:25:15.529
between weigh -in and like, you know, your last

00:25:15.529 --> 00:25:17.769
clean and jerk. Could we just go back? How do

00:25:17.769 --> 00:25:20.950
you measure glucose and hydration when you're

00:25:20.950 --> 00:25:24.730
using a kit? So hydration, and I will caveat

00:25:24.730 --> 00:25:28.210
this because you need to know what someone has

00:25:28.210 --> 00:25:30.910
drunk and how much salt they've had in that we

00:25:30.910 --> 00:25:33.410
look at urine specific gravity. So you can essentially,

00:25:33.529 --> 00:25:35.240
you peel. on a stick and what color does it go

00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.119
you can buy these for like a tenner or something

00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.400
like that but it can be manipulated so for example

00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.019
if I down a liter and a half of water and I pee

00:25:45.019 --> 00:25:47.819
it will look like I'm really hydrated I'm not

00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:50.279
I just drank so much water that my body just

00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:52.500
flushed it immediately out so you do need to

00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:54.400
make sure someone hasn't done that and they've

00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:57.519
just drunk steadily over the course of the day

00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:01.140
and they have added salt to food or had electrolytes

00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:03.900
in their water because you need salt to retain

00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:06.680
water as well like hydration is water plus salt

00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:09.220
but yeah so we look at someone's yeah hydrate

00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:11.140
urine specific gravity which is an indicator

00:26:11.140 --> 00:26:13.440
of hydration state which essentially equates

00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:15.539
to how dark is your pee and then blood glucose

00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:18.079
you can do finger prick blood glucose so just

00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:20.039
like drop of blood see how much glucose is in

00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.319
there or you can also use continuous glucose

00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.660
monitors so I do that because you might see so

00:26:24.660 --> 00:26:27.359
diabetics type 1 diabetics in particular use

00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.000
them where it's essentially a monitor that just

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.900
goes into the sort of the fluid around the cells,

00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:34.640
the plasma around the cells. So it's not quite

00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:37.099
blood glucose, but it's a proxy for blood glucose.

00:26:37.220 --> 00:26:39.619
And you're monitoring someone's blood glucose

00:26:39.619 --> 00:26:42.259
continuously. But that's more specialist kit.

00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:45.359
Okay. And in terms of post weighing, what is

00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.880
your protocol? Would you go electrolytes first,

00:26:48.059 --> 00:26:51.059
then food? Where the caffeine goes with it? How

00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:53.559
all this plays? Yeah. So generally, and this

00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:55.900
is, I mean, dizziness aside, just as kind of

00:26:55.900 --> 00:26:58.000
a best practice approach. And I would actually

00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:00.299
do this, whether you've made weight using any

00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:02.589
dehydration or carbs. the hydrate tactics or

00:27:02.589 --> 00:27:04.329
not. Because like I said, it's competition. You

00:27:04.329 --> 00:27:06.390
want to be maximally hydrated. You want to be

00:27:06.390 --> 00:27:09.109
maximally fueled. Get in the max your body can

00:27:09.109 --> 00:27:11.990
handle, regardless of whether you need it because

00:27:11.990 --> 00:27:14.630
you've, I don't know, not drunk in six hours

00:27:14.630 --> 00:27:17.470
or 24 hours. Terrible idea with a two hour weigh

00:27:17.470 --> 00:27:20.390
in. But or whether you've been sipping water

00:27:20.390 --> 00:27:23.309
happily all morning. So but particularly if someone's

00:27:23.309 --> 00:27:27.329
dehydrated, we would give a slightly hypotonic.

00:27:27.369 --> 00:27:30.750
So hypotonic means a fluid that's got some salt.

00:27:30.829 --> 00:27:34.210
in, but not quite as much, not quite as concentrated

00:27:34.210 --> 00:27:37.170
as the body's fluid. So if you're doing it like

00:27:37.170 --> 00:27:39.769
yourself, essentially get some electrolytes,

00:27:39.829 --> 00:27:42.069
whatever dosage it says, you know, where it's

00:27:42.069 --> 00:27:45.650
like one tablet per 500 mils, cool, do one tablet

00:27:45.650 --> 00:27:49.150
per 750 mils. So just make it a bit weaker. So

00:27:49.150 --> 00:27:52.329
I would make up a liter with slightly less than

00:27:52.329 --> 00:27:55.890
recommended electrolytes and 60 to 80 grams of

00:27:55.890 --> 00:27:58.170
carbohydrates in there, carb powder, that'll

00:27:58.170 --> 00:27:59.829
get, usually get your electrolytes in there as

00:27:59.829 --> 00:28:02.259
well. or just chuck sugar in or honey or whatever.

00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:04.960
600 mils of that in the first 15 minutes post

00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.440
weigh -in. The remaining 400 mils over the next

00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.460
45 minutes. So you're getting hydration in, you're

00:28:10.460 --> 00:28:14.099
getting carbohydrates in. Then about 30 minutes

00:28:14.099 --> 00:28:16.119
after weigh -in, so once you've had the first

00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.220
chunk of that drink and when you're sipping the

00:28:18.220 --> 00:28:21.630
rest, I would typically eat... one to one and

00:28:21.630 --> 00:28:24.569
a half grams per kilo of carbohydrate containing

00:28:24.569 --> 00:28:27.690
stuff. And you want it to be low fiber so it

00:28:27.690 --> 00:28:30.890
digests quickly. So something like white bagel

00:28:30.890 --> 00:28:34.190
with jam and a banana, a bowl of oatmeal, a bowl

00:28:34.190 --> 00:28:37.089
of Cocoa Pops, however many squares bar, like

00:28:37.089 --> 00:28:39.170
Rice Krispie squares bars or whatever, cereal

00:28:39.170 --> 00:28:41.349
bars, whatever it might be. But you don't want

00:28:41.349 --> 00:28:43.430
fat. You don't want protein. Neither of those

00:28:43.430 --> 00:28:45.750
are any use to you. You want carbohydrates, just

00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:48.529
carbohydrates. Protein will do nothing for you

00:28:48.529 --> 00:28:50.589
lifting on the platform. It might stop you being

00:28:50.589 --> 00:28:52.269
as sore tomorrow, but I don't really care how

00:28:52.269 --> 00:28:53.930
sore you are tomorrow. I care how you compete

00:28:53.930 --> 00:28:56.869
today. So fine. You don't need to go to the gym

00:28:56.869 --> 00:28:59.970
the day after a competition and train. So you

00:28:59.970 --> 00:29:01.849
might want to, but you probably don't need to.

00:29:01.890 --> 00:29:04.150
So just carbohydrates. And then what I would

00:29:04.150 --> 00:29:07.349
say is as you're warming up, just if you can,

00:29:07.369 --> 00:29:11.049
maybe have another 30, 40 grams of carbohydrates

00:29:11.049 --> 00:29:13.509
before you go out for your first snatch. And

00:29:13.509 --> 00:29:15.890
again, keep sipping fluids after that first hour

00:29:15.890 --> 00:29:19.250
as well. Between every moderate... Sorry. After...

00:29:19.309 --> 00:29:22.849
the slitter is done. So within the first 45 minutes

00:29:22.849 --> 00:29:26.910
and the first hour from the weigh -in, do athletes

00:29:26.910 --> 00:29:32.509
go into drinking water or eat WTP? Not coffee.

00:29:32.630 --> 00:29:34.730
Oh, well, yeah, I'll come back to the caffeine.

00:29:34.910 --> 00:29:37.170
But yeah, so in terms of what fluid, this is

00:29:37.170 --> 00:29:39.990
where it does become a little bit person -specific

00:29:39.990 --> 00:29:43.230
in terms of some people seem to work better with

00:29:43.230 --> 00:29:46.470
water. Some people work better continuing with

00:29:46.470 --> 00:29:49.099
an electrolyte -containing drink. say, test both,

00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.619
see what you do better on. Take both into the

00:29:51.619 --> 00:29:53.200
bathroom if you need to. And you're suddenly

00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.119
like, oh, actually, just do a little bit of water,

00:29:55.220 --> 00:29:57.039
a little bit of this. You could automate. But

00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.420
that one is a little bit more person specific.

00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:01.759
So I would say trial it and find what works best

00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:03.980
for you. Ideally, you're drinking a liter per

00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:07.259
hour. But I would say don't do this amount of

00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:09.900
fluid in competition, having never done it in

00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:12.880
training, because you will find most people don't

00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.279
drink that much in training. And you do need

00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.579
to get used to lifting with that amount. of fluid

00:30:18.579 --> 00:30:21.420
in you, particularly in a clean. So make sure

00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:23.559
you train all this before. But yeah, ideally

00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.380
you're aiming for something like a liter per

00:30:26.380 --> 00:30:29.079
hour or at least 500 mils per hour after that

00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:31.319
first hour. And some people, again, will need

00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:34.779
more or less. Will it depend on their body weight

00:30:34.779 --> 00:30:37.160
or on something else? Not so much body weight.

00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.579
It does seem to depend. It will depend on sweat

00:30:40.579 --> 00:30:44.240
rate. It will depend on someone's hydration status

00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.880
before, like before how dehydrated they were.

00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.680
before weigh in it will depend on how much they

00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.700
can actually tolerate before they feel like they're

00:30:51.700 --> 00:30:54.319
just like swishing around on the insides yeah

00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:56.920
yeah and again it will also depend on from the

00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:58.859
dizziness perspective how susceptible they are

00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:01.119
to getting dizzy or to getting kind of jelly

00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.720
legs you need to have more if you are susceptible

00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.339
to to that and it does seem to be hydration related

00:31:06.339 --> 00:31:09.279
so again it's about finding almost again a bit

00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:11.359
like the blood glucose like your window of performance

00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.680
where's enough for you versus what's too much

00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:16.750
and some of those factors will play in and then

00:31:16.750 --> 00:31:18.930
there's others what I would call individual differences

00:31:18.930 --> 00:31:21.029
that I can't tell you why it's just that I know

00:31:21.029 --> 00:31:23.170
that she needs to have a massive gulp of water

00:31:23.170 --> 00:31:25.490
between each lift and she could forget to drink

00:31:25.490 --> 00:31:27.269
the whole way through and seems to be fine so

00:31:27.269 --> 00:31:29.049
and I can't quite tell you why yet you know so

00:31:29.049 --> 00:31:31.670
it does kind of vary person to person as well

00:31:31.670 --> 00:31:33.690
so it's definitely one to test like you definitely

00:31:33.690 --> 00:31:36.009
can't just go down a checklist and be like yeah

00:31:36.009 --> 00:31:38.450
yeah yeah okay right you need this much there's

00:31:38.450 --> 00:31:39.990
kind of a black box at the bottom where I'm like

00:31:39.990 --> 00:31:42.630
oh no let's see and what are you what do you

00:31:42.630 --> 00:31:44.930
kind of need and then yeah carb wise I say if

00:31:44.930 --> 00:31:47.329
you can do another something like a banana or

00:31:47.329 --> 00:31:49.829
a cereal bar during the warm -up that would be

00:31:49.829 --> 00:31:51.730
great as well just for another little top -up

00:31:51.730 --> 00:31:54.069
and then between and this is for snatch and clean

00:31:54.069 --> 00:31:56.230
and jerk between every moderate once you get

00:31:56.230 --> 00:31:58.190
to about moderate weight in the warm -up and

00:31:58.190 --> 00:32:00.670
also every time you come off the platform you

00:32:00.670 --> 00:32:03.410
want to be having a little carbohydrate top -up

00:32:03.410 --> 00:32:07.049
so one to two jelly sweets a glug of a carb drink

00:32:07.049 --> 00:32:10.089
and to just keep topping up what you need you

00:32:10.089 --> 00:32:12.529
won't feel like you need it between the snatches

00:32:12.529 --> 00:32:14.289
and you don't really need it for the snatches

00:32:14.289 --> 00:32:16.539
if you done all the other carbs correctly beforehand

00:32:16.539 --> 00:32:19.119
but what you're doing in the snatches is setting

00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:20.779
you up to make sure you've got enough energy

00:32:20.779 --> 00:32:22.740
for your last clean and jerk so you need to be

00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:24.599
kind of consistent with that and then between

00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:26.599
the snatch and the clean and jerk depending how

00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.880
much time you have which obviously competition

00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.859
how strong both of your your snatch versus clean

00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:34.440
and jerk is if you if you're waiting around for

00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.299
a little while before you start to warm up your

00:32:36.299 --> 00:32:38.180
clean and jerk again if you can get in another

00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:40.940
banana or a cereal bar fantastic but otherwise

00:32:40.940 --> 00:32:43.019
just hit straight back to those between your

00:32:43.019 --> 00:32:45.059
moderate lifts moderate to heavy lifts, getting

00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:48.759
some sugar or whatever of any form. Then coming

00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:50.880
back to the caffeine, my first question would

00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.779
be, do you need it in competition? Particularly,

00:32:53.859 --> 00:32:56.819
do you actually need it to snatch? If we think

00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:59.700
about it, it's super, super technical. Coordination,

00:32:59.779 --> 00:33:02.440
reaction time, precision. Obviously, it's important

00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.980
for both lifts, but the snatch, absolutely important.

00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.140
Adrenaline heightens kind of all those senses.

00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.400
And again, you can have too much of a good thing.

00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:12.640
Add caffeine on top of that and suddenly you

00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.420
don't know. of where your arms and legs are potentially.

00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.579
So more and more I see people, and I do encourage

00:33:18.579 --> 00:33:21.380
people to try not having caffeine before the

00:33:21.380 --> 00:33:23.799
snatch. It doesn't always improve performance.

00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:25.960
It's sometimes to the detriment of performance,

00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.660
but you might benefit from it in the clean and

00:33:28.660 --> 00:33:30.880
jerk where it's a little bit more of a, I just

00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.019
need force output. Great. In which case have

00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:37.180
it again, test for you exactly the optimal timing

00:33:37.180 --> 00:33:39.299
before lifting that it kicks in. But for most

00:33:39.299 --> 00:33:42.000
people, it's somewhere between 15 to 30 minutes.

00:33:42.250 --> 00:33:44.769
So maybe start drinking caffeine after your second

00:33:44.769 --> 00:33:47.049
snack or once your snatches are finished, depending

00:33:47.049 --> 00:33:48.710
how long you've got until you go out for your

00:33:48.710 --> 00:33:51.069
first clean and jerk. But yeah, I would say typically

00:33:51.069 --> 00:33:54.730
the thing I see people potentially do wrong the

00:33:54.730 --> 00:33:58.730
most is chug down a whole energy drink. 15 minutes

00:33:58.730 --> 00:34:00.869
before they go out for their snatch where they

00:34:00.869 --> 00:34:03.230
might get more benefit from moving it a little

00:34:03.230 --> 00:34:05.069
bit later. So it benefits them in the clean and

00:34:05.069 --> 00:34:07.049
jerk, but doesn't necessarily adversely impact

00:34:07.049 --> 00:34:08.730
them in the snatch. And again, it depends on

00:34:08.730 --> 00:34:10.570
how nervous you get and how reliant you are day

00:34:10.570 --> 00:34:12.730
to day on caffeine. Some people might be like,

00:34:12.750 --> 00:34:14.750
I really need it for my snatch, in which case,

00:34:14.769 --> 00:34:17.849
cool, go ahead. Right, right. Would you say that

00:34:17.849 --> 00:34:20.510
routine is more important than having the perfect

00:34:20.510 --> 00:34:24.130
setup or should you experiment and find the perfect

00:34:24.130 --> 00:34:27.210
setup first and then routine it into your...

00:34:27.369 --> 00:34:29.949
bit of both I would say never try anything for

00:34:29.949 --> 00:34:32.170
the first time on comp day or never try anything

00:34:32.170 --> 00:34:34.329
for the first time on an important comp day you

00:34:34.329 --> 00:34:36.690
might want to use an actual competition to test

00:34:36.690 --> 00:34:38.389
some things because you're like I just can't

00:34:38.389 --> 00:34:40.630
simulate that adrenaline sort of in a training

00:34:40.630 --> 00:34:43.030
training thing but yeah definitely don't do it

00:34:43.030 --> 00:34:45.329
when you're like I need this competition to qualify

00:34:45.329 --> 00:34:47.510
I'm like cool do whatever you've always done

00:34:47.510 --> 00:34:50.150
like that with maybe a bit more fluid in cards

00:34:50.150 --> 00:34:52.170
but you know don't change your routine too much

00:34:52.170 --> 00:34:54.409
but I think both are important and again the

00:34:54.409 --> 00:34:56.230
relative importance is going to be different

00:34:56.590 --> 00:34:59.170
person to person because if the routine is really

00:34:59.170 --> 00:35:01.809
really important for someone's psychology going

00:35:01.809 --> 00:35:04.409
into competition well that that's a huge huge

00:35:04.409 --> 00:35:06.769
factor assuming they're not like eating nothing

00:35:06.769 --> 00:35:09.510
you know not being like you know completely off

00:35:09.510 --> 00:35:12.070
the wall nutrition wise then that that that is

00:35:12.070 --> 00:35:14.309
really important for them and again some people

00:35:14.309 --> 00:35:17.250
are for want of a better way a bit more robust

00:35:17.250 --> 00:35:20.230
like they don't what they do on comp day nutrition

00:35:20.230 --> 00:35:23.170
and hydration wise is it is sort of important

00:35:23.170 --> 00:35:25.329
but as long as they get past a base threshold

00:35:25.329 --> 00:35:28.019
they see to be fine again then if they're like

00:35:28.019 --> 00:35:30.119
but i really really love my routine i'm like

00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.739
cool go with your routine but again yeah if someone's

00:35:32.739 --> 00:35:34.239
having all these problems and you're like this

00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:36.980
is clearly fueling related then i don't care

00:35:36.980 --> 00:35:38.820
what your routine is we're getting more stuff

00:35:38.820 --> 00:35:41.119
in you you know you don't like to eat no problem

00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.380
we will find a way to get liquids in you but

00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:46.320
you you need to get something in so i think both

00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.199
are important ideally you have a routine that

00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:51.699
is based on the optimal fueling so yeah i would

00:35:51.699 --> 00:35:54.420
say trial and play with things in training as

00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:56.840
much as you can and if you kind of know what

00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:58.980
the theoretical gold standard is like we've just

00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:01.360
spoken through be like cool that's what I think

00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.199
I'm aiming for more or less what am I doing now

00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.719
where's the gap can I try and get closer to that

00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.199
in some heavy training sessions so that then

00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.920
I can use it in comp day when it is already trained

00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:14.900
in a bit of a routine. Right, because it takes

00:36:14.900 --> 00:36:17.619
time to even think what I have to buy, what I

00:36:17.619 --> 00:36:20.300
have to bring with myself, when I have to take

00:36:20.300 --> 00:36:24.039
in what and, you know, line it up. It takes a

00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.380
bit of practice. Yeah. At least for some lifters.

00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.480
Yeah, like, honestly, like, write it out on a

00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:31.300
sheet of paper and, like, literally stick it

00:36:31.300 --> 00:36:33.199
at the front of your Walmart platform or give

00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.139
it to your coach or, you know, if you're like,

00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:38.420
I never remember to do this, make sure someone

00:36:38.420 --> 00:36:40.960
knows. Yeah. That can really help as well. because

00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.280
you don't want to be thinking about oh I need

00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.320
to eat this I need to drink this like that is

00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:47.860
a distraction so you either want it so embedded

00:36:47.860 --> 00:36:50.460
in what you do that it's automatic because you

00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:52.860
practiced it in training so much or you know

00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:54.900
you've been doing this as your comp routine for

00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:58.199
the last five ten years or have someone who can

00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.900
do the thinking for you because yeah you it's

00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:02.639
not going to be good for performance if you're

00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:03.860
coming off and being like right what do I need

00:37:03.860 --> 00:37:05.280
to eat and drink now what do I need to oh god

00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:06.960
I've got to go out again you know so you definitely

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.340
want to as far as possible not be actively thinking

00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:11.329
about it so yeah written out and stuck on the

00:37:11.329 --> 00:37:13.670
floor or like your coach is the one who's holding

00:37:13.670 --> 00:37:15.610
it for you so you literally walk off the platform

00:37:15.610 --> 00:37:18.239
and they go eat or whatever it might be, can

00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.579
be really useful. Okay, so there is a lifter

00:37:20.579 --> 00:37:23.360
on the platform and they went on the first clean

00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.699
and jerk and they blacked out. So they passed

00:37:25.699 --> 00:37:28.679
out on the platform. They're coming up. Everything

00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.059
seems to be fine. They are not injured in other

00:37:31.059 --> 00:37:34.500
way. Now, what can be done in these few minutes?

00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.420
Maybe the coach moved them up a few kilos so

00:37:37.420 --> 00:37:39.380
they have maybe a few minutes to do something.

00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.960
What should be done? Carbs and water. Like glucose

00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.340
and water. Like sugar and water. Sugar, water

00:37:45.340 --> 00:37:48.260
or salt. And yeah, I would get them to have big

00:37:48.260 --> 00:37:51.340
gulps of water, suck on jelly sweets. The reason

00:37:51.340 --> 00:37:53.739
I say suck, suck for about 10 seconds on a sweet.

00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:56.119
And then before you actually eat it is because

00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:58.860
you can get an additional brain activation from

00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:01.079
glucose in your mouth, but it needs to be in

00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.679
there for about 10 seconds. So I think it, we

00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:05.460
think it only really works on glucose. So if

00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:07.699
you're having dried fruit as your between lift,

00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:09.780
just eat that. But if you've got sweets, suck

00:38:09.780 --> 00:38:12.159
on them first. Or if you're drinking a carb drink,

00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.119
swill it around your mouth for 10 seconds before

00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.340
swallowing it. But yeah, carbohydrates, fluids,

00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.679
don't gulp them. Have one gulp and then just

00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:22.980
keep sipping it in the minutes you've got rather

00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:26.420
than just multiple gulps. And yeah, steady intake

00:38:26.420 --> 00:38:29.599
of carbohydrates, but of both not to the point

00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:30.679
where you're then like, I'm going to be sick.

00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.099
Anything we can do for shifting fluids? Not really.

00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.219
No, yeah, you just need to get fluids in. Yeah,

00:38:37.340 --> 00:38:39.719
their heart rate's going to be high. So it's

00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:41.219
not as though you want them to keep walking around

00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:43.260
to kind of keep their heart rate up. Their heart

00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:44.719
rate is going to be high because they've just...

00:38:44.710 --> 00:38:47.250
just passed out and now feel pressure to lift

00:38:47.250 --> 00:38:50.010
again. So their blood is moving around the body

00:38:50.010 --> 00:38:52.210
as good as it can at that point. It's probably

00:38:52.210 --> 00:38:54.050
more about calming it down, actually. What you

00:38:54.050 --> 00:38:55.730
don't want someone to do, actually, that does

00:38:55.730 --> 00:38:57.449
make me think, what you don't want someone to

00:38:57.449 --> 00:39:00.090
do is hyperventilate. Hyperventilation reduces

00:39:00.090 --> 00:39:04.150
the oxygen availability to the brain. So you

00:39:04.150 --> 00:39:06.570
want to keep someone as calm as possible. Like

00:39:06.570 --> 00:39:07.869
I say, their heart rate will be high enough.

00:39:08.010 --> 00:39:09.630
Actually, you probably want to just calm them

00:39:09.630 --> 00:39:11.869
down. Just be like deep breath in, steady breath

00:39:11.869 --> 00:39:14.829
out, deep breath in, steady. breath out uh you

00:39:14.829 --> 00:39:16.670
want to avoid them because that that will pass

00:39:16.670 --> 00:39:18.429
out on the next lift they might pass out before

00:39:18.429 --> 00:39:20.909
they lift yeah so so avoid hyperventilation at

00:39:20.909 --> 00:39:23.250
all costs maybe loosen the belt just for them

00:39:23.250 --> 00:39:26.010
to yeah yeah yeah definitely loosen the belt

00:39:26.010 --> 00:39:29.420
off the platform yeah Are there any cases you

00:39:29.420 --> 00:39:32.159
would say this lifter shouldn't go back? They're

00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.420
not injured. Yeah, if they're fine. I mean, I

00:39:34.420 --> 00:39:37.719
think if there was a kind of a hydration reason

00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.719
for them not to go out, it would have manifested

00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.420
even before their snatch at weigh -in. So I would

00:39:44.420 --> 00:39:48.619
say I can't think of a situation aside from actually...

00:39:49.130 --> 00:39:51.670
We think this person has a heart issue, you know,

00:39:51.690 --> 00:39:53.789
sort of a doctor involvement where we think there's

00:39:53.789 --> 00:39:56.030
a medical issue that if they just passed out

00:39:56.030 --> 00:39:58.909
because haven't drunk enough and they have itched

00:39:58.909 --> 00:40:01.349
themselves, do what you can. Let's see if they

00:40:01.349 --> 00:40:03.349
can do, they can go out and lift again. All right.

00:40:03.369 --> 00:40:05.710
And how the medical problem you mentioned, how

00:40:05.710 --> 00:40:08.750
that would manifest itself. So what coaches have

00:40:08.750 --> 00:40:10.570
to pay attention to? Does someone know where

00:40:10.570 --> 00:40:12.710
they are? Do they seem to be having like some

00:40:12.710 --> 00:40:14.710
sort of arrhythmia? You know, that someone will

00:40:14.710 --> 00:40:16.530
always, if someone has passed out, they should

00:40:16.530 --> 00:40:18.610
be checked out by the medic who's... you know,

00:40:18.610 --> 00:40:20.670
by the platform if they're in sort of a major

00:40:20.670 --> 00:40:23.429
competition and they'll do their relevant medical

00:40:23.429 --> 00:40:25.889
assessments. But yeah, you'd sort of, you know,

00:40:25.929 --> 00:40:28.829
if you're like someone is not okay, get a medic

00:40:28.829 --> 00:40:31.230
to check them over. Yeah, if they don't seem

00:40:31.230 --> 00:40:34.030
to kind of know what's going on, if their heart

00:40:34.030 --> 00:40:37.010
rate is all over the place or is like really,

00:40:37.070 --> 00:40:39.550
really high and you're like, it's been 20 seconds

00:40:39.550 --> 00:40:41.650
since they passed out, why is their heart rate

00:40:41.650 --> 00:40:43.650
really, really high? Like if you're in any way,

00:40:43.690 --> 00:40:45.989
shape or form worried, get a medic to look at

00:40:45.989 --> 00:40:48.260
them because if there is a problem. You don't

00:40:48.260 --> 00:40:49.960
want to have missed it. And obviously none of

00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.400
us have the qualifications to be like, oh, you're

00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.019
fine. Go back out there. You know, you want someone

00:40:55.019 --> 00:40:57.079
who knows what they're looking at to sort of

00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.400
see them. So let's bring it all together. What

00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.260
would be your advice for coaches and athletes

00:41:02.260 --> 00:41:05.179
in Olympic weightlifting in terms of, I don't

00:41:05.179 --> 00:41:07.820
know how to call it, preventing? No, managing

00:41:07.820 --> 00:41:11.820
lifters so that blackout is less likely to happen.

00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.139
Stay hydrated, eat a lot of carbs, maintain some

00:41:15.139 --> 00:41:17.139
level of physical fitness and activity. outside

00:41:17.139 --> 00:41:21.119
your sport to the point yeah all right two short

00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.179
questions to finish the first one is what is

00:41:24.179 --> 00:41:26.280
your favorite lift i am not a weightlifter no

00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:28.840
one will ever see me snatch or clean and jerk

00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:30.440
again because it would be embarrassing and i

00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:33.079
will lose all professional respect people have

00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:36.179
for me so my favorite lift would probably be

00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:39.539
i think i would say probably an rdl anything

00:41:39.539 --> 00:41:41.440
with a hinge anything with a hinge where i don't

00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:43.699
have to bend any limbs that's probably my ideal

00:41:43.699 --> 00:41:46.679
lift Awesome. And where people can find you if

00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.900
they want to get in touch, need help or want

00:41:49.900 --> 00:41:51.739
to ask a question? Yeah, probably the easiest

00:41:51.739 --> 00:41:55.219
way is Instagram. So my Instagram is actionaid

00:41:55.219 --> 00:41:58.519
.feedfuelperforms. So yeah, I'm on there most

00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:00.460
days and yeah, very accessible from there. And

00:42:00.460 --> 00:42:03.039
I do, I do look at messages. So yeah, if anyone's

00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:04.820
ever got a question, feel free to reach out.

00:42:04.900 --> 00:42:06.579
Always love talking about these things. Awesome.

00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:08.179
Thank you so much for today. It was a pleasure.

00:42:08.300 --> 00:42:09.179
Thank you for having me.
