WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.240 i think online coaching seems to work there's 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:04.320 many ways you can do it i think finding what 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:07.019 works best for you and what works best for your 00:00:07.019 --> 00:00:09.900 client is going to be a very important thing 00:00:09.900 --> 00:00:11.919 that you need to understand so think about it 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:16.039 Hi, Jason. It's my pleasure to have you on Evidence 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:18.300 Strong Show. If you could briefly introduce yourself. 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:21.019 Thank you for having me. My name is Jason Clark. 00:00:21.300 --> 00:00:25.219 I am an online powerlifting coach, so coach for 00:00:25.219 --> 00:00:27.780 the New Zealand team. I've been online coaching 00:00:27.780 --> 00:00:30.239 for about eight years now. I've been within the 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:33.679 fitness industry since I was 21, so about 12 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:37.640 years. I also have studied at the Auckland University 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:40.320 of Technology and I've just recently completed 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:43.899 my master's and had my manuscript published in 00:00:43.899 --> 00:00:46.119 the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research. 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:50.740 I did that alongside my supervisors and co -authors, 00:00:50.780 --> 00:00:53.640 Eric Helms and Alyssa Joyce -Bentz. All right, 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:56.579 so we're talking coaching, online coaching specifically. 00:00:56.859 --> 00:00:59.460 Do we need some kind of definition to start with? 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:02.000 Yeah, I mean, I think where the lines potentially 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.150 get... blurred with online coaching is it can 00:01:05.150 --> 00:01:07.450 often be referred to as remote coaching but i 00:01:07.450 --> 00:01:09.390 think just in the current world that we live 00:01:09.390 --> 00:01:12.170 in it's generally like online coaching just means 00:01:12.170 --> 00:01:14.930 uh delivering whatever coaching method and however 00:01:14.930 --> 00:01:17.390 you do through the internet usually via means 00:01:17.390 --> 00:01:20.530 of sending something through over email spreadsheet 00:01:20.530 --> 00:01:23.590 a lot of people like to utilize whatsapp a lot 00:01:23.849 --> 00:01:25.790 But, you know, anything that basically involves 00:01:25.790 --> 00:01:28.609 SenseNet and, you know, with the removal of any 00:01:28.609 --> 00:01:31.329 sort of face -to -face contact outside of like, 00:01:31.409 --> 00:01:34.750 in paletting specifically, outside of like competition 00:01:34.750 --> 00:01:37.629 days where most people will interact with their 00:01:37.629 --> 00:01:40.370 coaches in person. Why did you study? So obviously 00:01:40.370 --> 00:01:44.049 you are using this method to deliver your coaching, 00:01:44.250 --> 00:01:47.099 but why to study it? that is a great question 00:01:47.099 --> 00:01:50.219 i think for me it's a case of it's a selfish 00:01:50.219 --> 00:01:53.859 reason really more than anything because i as 00:01:53.859 --> 00:01:55.640 i kind of mentioned have been delivering online 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:58.519 coaching for a reasonable amount of time now 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.900 so i think there's a way that things are done 00:02:01.900 --> 00:02:05.420 but my sort of critical analytical mind is like 00:02:05.420 --> 00:02:07.540 why are we doing it like this is there a better 00:02:07.540 --> 00:02:09.620 way to do this because obviously it's a very 00:02:09.620 --> 00:02:12.139 i mean in the grand schemes of like coaching 00:02:12.139 --> 00:02:14.780 as a practice delivering it online is like very 00:02:14.780 --> 00:02:17.319 new right it's only really gained popularity 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.099 probably over the last 10 years and like probably 00:02:21.099 --> 00:02:23.460 only really started in the last like 14 years 00:02:23.460 --> 00:02:26.340 so for me i'm like okay well this is how we're 00:02:26.340 --> 00:02:29.219 doing it what does this mean like and what can 00:02:29.219 --> 00:02:32.120 we sort of what sort of correlations can we draw 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:34.939 based off of what we're doing and probably more 00:02:34.939 --> 00:02:37.180 importantly what i wanted to know is like i had 00:02:37.180 --> 00:02:39.740 an idea of what people were doing is this actually 00:02:39.740 --> 00:02:41.719 what people are doing so i wanted just to gather 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:44.479 some data on like what current practices are 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:47.219 primarily and then just compare them to you know 00:02:47.219 --> 00:02:50.580 specific outcomes all right so how what were 00:02:50.580 --> 00:02:52.639 the questions how many how did you structure 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.879 the survey and i think the survey was about 24 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.280 to 27 questions, something around that. So we 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:00.939 wanted to find out basically whether they were 00:03:00.939 --> 00:03:04.919 receiving their coaching via like verbal communication 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.620 or written communication. And then on top of 00:03:07.620 --> 00:03:10.599 that, we wanted to know like at what sort of 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:12.680 frequency they were receiving that communication. 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:15.719 So whether that was, I think the categories were 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:18.960 like once every session, once per week. once 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.460 every two weeks once a month and then like uh 00:03:21.460 --> 00:03:23.580 less than once a month and then just kind of 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:26.500 getting a gauge of where their total was at before 00:03:26.500 --> 00:03:29.680 they started coaching and where their total was 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.159 at at their most recent competition and they 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:33.900 had to have done like i think it was just at 00:03:33.900 --> 00:03:35.819 least two competitions so we could have a comparison 00:03:35.819 --> 00:03:38.120 some people obviously had competed for you know 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:39.900 a decent amount of time but we've got there before 00:03:39.900 --> 00:03:42.979 coaching or their first and then their most recent 00:03:42.979 --> 00:03:45.460 also just kind of finding out how long they've 00:03:45.460 --> 00:03:47.539 been receiving coaching for so yeah those were 00:03:47.539 --> 00:03:49.419 pretty much main questions also just getting 00:03:49.419 --> 00:03:52.620 a gauge how strong they were so like we asked 00:03:52.620 --> 00:03:54.900 for what's called a good lift points which is 00:03:54.900 --> 00:03:57.860 basically a body weight coefficient score so 00:03:57.860 --> 00:04:00.379 it gives us a generalized idea of how strong 00:04:00.379 --> 00:04:03.419 everyone is irrespective of their body weight 00:04:03.419 --> 00:04:06.460 awesome and in terms of satisfaction or how did 00:04:06.460 --> 00:04:08.580 you measure that yes of course yeah so we also 00:04:08.580 --> 00:04:11.659 another key one was asking how satisfied they 00:04:11.659 --> 00:04:13.379 were with their whole coaching process it was 00:04:13.379 --> 00:04:15.620 a really easy scale number like one was just 00:04:15.620 --> 00:04:17.720 like extremely dissatisfied and then five was 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:20.120 like extremely satisfied so yeah as i kind of 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.100 spoke about for important variable just to kind 00:04:22.100 --> 00:04:24.000 of understand whether people were enjoying it 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:25.439 or not because it seems like something that would 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:26.879 be important when you're paying for a service 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.339 yes all right how many people and who did you 00:04:29.339 --> 00:04:33.000 get just so we kind of understanding yeah was 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:35.480 the the population who actually took the survey 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:40.310 and yeah so we had 113 data points that we used 00:04:40.310 --> 00:04:42.709 in the end. I think we scratched about 20 or 00:04:42.709 --> 00:04:44.689 so, something like 130 or something. We actually 00:04:44.689 --> 00:04:47.350 had like 250 people fill it out, but there was 00:04:47.350 --> 00:04:49.029 a whole bunch of bad ones for whatever reason. 00:04:49.050 --> 00:04:52.149 But it ended up being like 113 dart points. It 00:04:52.149 --> 00:04:54.980 was like... pretty close 50 50 ish was like 59 00:04:54.980 --> 00:04:58.279 male 54 female so pretty even split which is 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:00.339 actually really good it's quite representative 00:05:00.339 --> 00:05:03.360 of the powerlifting demographic as a whole probably 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.420 higher amount of females than what you would 00:05:06.420 --> 00:05:08.339 get in just like a general split in powerlifting 00:05:08.339 --> 00:05:10.600 but i think that's a good thing so pretty 50 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.839 50 strength wise people were actually pretty 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:17.560 strong just find it real quick yeah so the average 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:21.819 totals were for the men 621 kilos which is uh 00:05:21.819 --> 00:05:24.720 pretty decent and if we were to put that in good 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:27.660 lift points it's 81 which is like above average 00:05:27.660 --> 00:05:29.939 just to kind of say so like like a decent amount 00:05:29.939 --> 00:05:33.259 above average and then for the feet huge part 00:05:33.259 --> 00:05:36.939 of my audience are olympic weightlifting as an 00:05:36.939 --> 00:05:40.139 athlete so 81 points is it like a national level 00:05:40.139 --> 00:05:43.959 athlete let's just say like 81 points for me 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:49.300 as a 93 kilo lifter that's about 650 total so 00:05:49.300 --> 00:05:52.300 we're looking at like roughly like a 225 kilo 00:05:52.300 --> 00:05:56.519 squat 150 kilo bench press and then like a 275 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:59.980 kilo deadlift so i would say above Well, definitely 00:05:59.980 --> 00:06:03.439 well above average. So the strength of people 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:05.959 that were filling the form out were definitely 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:08.180 more than you would usually get at like a normal 00:06:08.180 --> 00:06:10.579 level powerlifting competition. I think it would 00:06:10.579 --> 00:06:13.160 actually be also important to mention that I 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.779 had a whole bunch of posters to recruit people 00:06:15.779 --> 00:06:19.060 up at, like we hosted Commonwealth in Auckland. 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:22.060 So I had posters up with the QR code on it that 00:06:22.060 --> 00:06:24.120 I got people to fill out whilst they were there. 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:26.379 So these are international level lifters that 00:06:26.379 --> 00:06:28.420 are filling it out, which I think probably skewed 00:06:28.420 --> 00:06:31.560 it. higher so just in general pretty strong people 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:34.240 like yeah stronger than your average palate let's 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.600 just say you had really really strong lifters 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:41.160 why do you think they chose to have online coaching 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.079 they are international level lifters wouldn't 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:47.000 it be better to if if you are an international 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:49.279 level athlete wouldn't it be better to have a 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.120 coach in person would it matter more maybe would 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:54.620 it matter less this is kind of the age old question 00:06:54.620 --> 00:06:57.439 powerlifting and uh to be honest one that i get 00:06:57.439 --> 00:06:59.339 every time i tell someone i coach powerlifting 00:06:59.339 --> 00:07:01.360 online because they always go why do you do it 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.240 online shouldn't you do it in person essentially 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:05.879 we don't really know because not many people 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.569 coach in person in person and i would say Probably 00:07:09.569 --> 00:07:13.290 99 % of the world champions in powerlifting are 00:07:13.290 --> 00:07:16.310 all coached online. Yeah. Honestly, it's just 00:07:16.310 --> 00:07:19.930 common practice. I think it's due to the simplicity 00:07:19.930 --> 00:07:22.009 of the sport. But this is kind of why I wanted 00:07:22.009 --> 00:07:24.410 to dive into it, right? Because I'm like, you 00:07:24.410 --> 00:07:26.589 know, online coaching is very new, but it's so 00:07:26.589 --> 00:07:28.870 prevalent within powerlifting. Like, again, probably 00:07:28.870 --> 00:07:31.709 99 % of people receive their coaching online. 00:07:32.009 --> 00:07:35.389 So I'm like, okay, well, is this, like, what 00:07:35.389 --> 00:07:37.250 does it look like? You know, I didn't really 00:07:37.250 --> 00:07:40.269 go into comparing. to in -person coaching because 00:07:40.269 --> 00:07:42.189 it wasn't really the idea of what I wanted to 00:07:42.189 --> 00:07:44.649 do because at the end of the day it's so embedded 00:07:44.649 --> 00:07:47.029 within powerlifting I just don't see that being 00:07:47.029 --> 00:07:49.730 very relevant so I'd rather understand like different 00:07:49.730 --> 00:07:52.050 characteristics of online coaching as opposed 00:07:52.050 --> 00:07:54.120 to comparing it to in -person but Obviously, 00:07:54.180 --> 00:07:56.920 part of my literature review, everything was 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.379 comparing or finding literature that compares 00:07:59.379 --> 00:08:02.519 online to in -person. And for the most part, 00:08:02.660 --> 00:08:05.560 the literature that I found was more within health 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.300 outcomes. We're talking about people for weight 00:08:08.300 --> 00:08:11.300 loss coaching or diabetes coaching, things like 00:08:11.300 --> 00:08:13.759 this. And for the most part, online coaching 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:17.680 does tend to hold its own. But again, these aren't 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:19.459 performance outcomes. So it's kind of hard to 00:08:19.459 --> 00:08:21.120 say because you're not sitting there trying to 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:25.220 push someone harder. critique technique it seems 00:08:25.220 --> 00:08:27.779 to work and what we can see people are getting 00:08:27.779 --> 00:08:30.040 stronger that's kind of what my research showed 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.419 as well if anything but it potentially like something 00:08:32.419 --> 00:08:34.679 that we found in the uh the research was that 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:37.080 uh people in the survey should say that there 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.860 was a correlation between the amount of time 00:08:39.860 --> 00:08:42.139 spent with the coach and increase in powerlifting 00:08:42.139 --> 00:08:44.240 total so basically the longer people worked with 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:46.399 coaches the stronger that they got and we did 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.720 kind of like wonder whether that would be quicker 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:51.620 if you're working with someone in person because 00:08:51.620 --> 00:08:54.440 it takes longer to get to know someone if you 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.879 don't speak to them as frequently which is also 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:58.460 kind of like part of the reason why i was like 00:08:58.460 --> 00:09:01.259 i think you know i hypothesized in the manuscript 00:09:01.259 --> 00:09:04.179 like i thought verbal communication would be 00:09:04.179 --> 00:09:06.299 better because you know you can call someone 00:09:06.299 --> 00:09:08.580 you can chat talk about things so i thought that 00:09:08.580 --> 00:09:10.299 might that might lead to better outcomes but 00:09:10.299 --> 00:09:11.899 it didn't really show anything there was no association 00:09:11.899 --> 00:09:14.179 there so what what are the common practices of 00:09:14.179 --> 00:09:16.320 the coaches and then how it influences satisfaction 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:18.940 or how it's correlated with participation and 00:09:18.940 --> 00:09:21.080 to the performance? So firstly, like what we 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:25.100 observed was that basically all coaches communicated 00:09:25.100 --> 00:09:28.700 either every session or they communicated like 00:09:28.700 --> 00:09:31.179 once per week. So there was only like eight data 00:09:31.179 --> 00:09:33.779 points outside of that that were every two weeks, 00:09:33.860 --> 00:09:36.840 once per month or more. So everyone was basically 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:39.580 receiving feedback once a week or after every 00:09:39.580 --> 00:09:41.399 session. So those were the most common ones. 00:09:41.500 --> 00:09:43.799 And probably what surprised us there was the 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.529 prevalence of every session. feedback it was 00:09:46.529 --> 00:09:49.529 like 30 37 of the respondents just because like 00:09:49.529 --> 00:09:51.789 i mentioned prior a lot of what was more common 00:09:51.789 --> 00:09:53.690 practice was week to week so we were like oh 00:09:53.690 --> 00:09:55.509 okay we didn't realize that many people were 00:09:55.509 --> 00:09:57.870 receiving communication that frequently and to 00:09:57.870 --> 00:09:59.690 be honest i think that would be even higher now 00:09:59.690 --> 00:10:01.649 most people were receiving receiving written 00:10:01.649 --> 00:10:05.750 feedback so 60 40 were verbal most people were 00:10:05.750 --> 00:10:08.169 pretty happy with their coaching so either extremely 00:10:08.169 --> 00:10:12.870 satisfied or somewhat and then most people were 00:10:12.870 --> 00:10:15.110 like their coach because of another thing i don't 00:10:15.149 --> 00:10:16.690 know if we spoke about it yet but another thing 00:10:16.690 --> 00:10:18.929 that we uh asked was like the level of education 00:10:18.929 --> 00:10:20.769 from the coach because we thought that that might 00:10:20.769 --> 00:10:22.450 be quite important yeah so one of the things 00:10:22.450 --> 00:10:24.309 we wanted to know was like because again it's 00:10:24.309 --> 00:10:26.950 a bit of a cowboy sort of industry you know there's 00:10:26.950 --> 00:10:28.990 no you don't need to apply or anything you just 00:10:28.990 --> 00:10:30.870 start your own business so what we wanted to 00:10:30.870 --> 00:10:32.490 know was like okay do these people have formal 00:10:32.490 --> 00:10:35.909 education and that formal education was relevant 00:10:35.909 --> 00:10:39.370 to the field of like sport science kinesiology 00:10:39.370 --> 00:10:42.669 anything like that so 30 people coaches i should 00:10:42.669 --> 00:10:46.279 say had 30 had uh undergraduate degree at least 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:49.480 10 post -grad and then um the other highest one 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:52.440 was 30 didn't know what their coach had for uh 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.019 education which i also find interesting because 00:10:55.019 --> 00:10:57.360 it means that people know 30 of people don't 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:59.019 know it means they probably don't care or they 00:10:59.019 --> 00:11:02.500 can't remember um so yeah that was like what 00:11:02.500 --> 00:11:05.659 was going on as for what we found we found that 00:11:05.659 --> 00:11:09.820 frequency of communication had no effect on a 00:11:09.820 --> 00:11:13.159 lifter satisfaction or a increase in powerlifting 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:15.500 total and we found the same thing for the way 00:11:15.500 --> 00:11:18.220 that it was delivered so didn't matter whether 00:11:18.220 --> 00:11:21.059 you delivered it written or verbal it didn't 00:11:21.059 --> 00:11:23.539 seem to have an effect on uh well nothing significant 00:11:23.539 --> 00:11:27.059 on uh how satisfied the person was or um how 00:11:27.059 --> 00:11:28.799 much their total increased which surprised me 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:30.980 i had an inkling that i thought verbal feedback 00:11:30.980 --> 00:11:33.059 would at least lead to a bit more satisfaction 00:11:33.059 --> 00:11:36.039 just because it seems more personable but it's 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:38.480 all sort so outside of that another kind of key 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:40.419 variable we looked at was like the length of 00:11:40.419 --> 00:11:42.480 coaching relationships so something we found 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.860 there was that longer like this is probably the 00:11:44.860 --> 00:11:47.340 strongest thing that we found was that longer 00:11:47.340 --> 00:11:51.820 relationships were associated with a higher increase 00:11:51.820 --> 00:11:54.299 in power lifting total which is pretty intuitive 00:11:54.299 --> 00:11:56.320 basically the longer you work with someone the 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.419 more you know about them the better your relationship 00:11:58.419 --> 00:12:00.289 gets and the better of work that the coach can 00:12:00.289 --> 00:12:03.850 do and also it's just more time training um so 00:12:03.850 --> 00:12:05.590 it kind of makes sense there but i think it's 00:12:05.590 --> 00:12:07.850 like it's it might be intuitive but i do think 00:12:07.850 --> 00:12:10.690 that that is a big takeaway for people because 00:12:10.690 --> 00:12:13.049 a common practice in powerlifting i shouldn't 00:12:13.049 --> 00:12:14.909 say common practice but a thing that happens 00:12:14.909 --> 00:12:17.570 in powerlifting is people coach hop whereas this 00:12:17.570 --> 00:12:19.690 kind of says the opposite like you should spend 00:12:19.690 --> 00:12:22.389 time with your coach figure it out you know communicate 00:12:22.389 --> 00:12:24.789 so that you guys can kind of like figure it out 00:12:24.789 --> 00:12:27.149 together and that way is more likely to increase 00:12:27.149 --> 00:12:29.909 your outcomes especially when it comes to your 00:12:29.909 --> 00:12:32.769 total what we did find was that there was a relationship 00:12:32.769 --> 00:12:36.669 between education and increasing total so we 00:12:36.669 --> 00:12:38.830 did actually find that lifters who were working 00:12:38.830 --> 00:12:41.470 with coaches who had a higher education actually 00:12:41.470 --> 00:12:44.450 tended to increase their total more so get stronger 00:12:44.450 --> 00:12:46.269 as a well i'm not going to say as a byproduct 00:12:46.269 --> 00:12:48.070 of that because it's all correlational but like 00:12:48.070 --> 00:12:49.830 there was a relationship there which i thought 00:12:49.830 --> 00:12:51.929 was interesting what was also really interesting 00:12:51.929 --> 00:12:54.009 is that we found that with lifter satisfaction 00:12:54.009 --> 00:12:56.490 we kind of use a different ordinal scale for 00:12:56.490 --> 00:12:58.399 figuring out these relationships it's quite confusing 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:00.759 to read but the crux of it is and if everyone 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:02.779 actually reads this they probably get confused 00:13:02.779 --> 00:13:05.059 by this section because the stats we had to do 00:13:05.059 --> 00:13:07.799 was just a bit complex but what we found was 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.000 that the satisfaction with the coaching got to 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.100 a certain point in education which was up to 00:13:13.100 --> 00:13:15.820 undergraduate degree and then once the person 00:13:15.820 --> 00:13:17.740 had a postgraduate degree and the actual satisfaction 00:13:17.740 --> 00:13:20.120 dropped off which was an interesting one because 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.000 we kind of hypothesized that perhaps like someone 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.340 who is partaking in postgraduate education might 00:13:27.340 --> 00:13:31.139 actually not have the resources to potentially 00:13:31.139 --> 00:13:34.519 give as much time to coaching as someone would 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.659 who maybe has an undergraduate degree and perhaps 00:13:37.659 --> 00:13:40.980 they're spending more time coaching because they're 00:13:40.980 --> 00:13:43.500 not having to continue their studies. Also, we 00:13:43.500 --> 00:13:46.159 thought maybe a specific type of person who tends 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.740 to dive into postgraduate studies might have 00:13:48.740 --> 00:13:51.779 less soft skills, more programming skills, things 00:13:51.779 --> 00:13:54.240 like this. I mean, maybe that's kind of what's 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.220 going on there. But again, you know, it's all... 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.779 very correlational not causative what was correlated 00:13:59.779 --> 00:14:03.539 to to lift the satisfaction so possibly may influence 00:14:03.539 --> 00:14:07.019 lifter satisfaction and what is correlated with 00:14:07.019 --> 00:14:09.860 the performance yes for also with performance 00:14:09.860 --> 00:14:11.860 because it's probably a bit more fun and there's 00:14:11.860 --> 00:14:14.159 a bit more correlations going on there but with 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:17.360 the performance the the main thing like i said 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.100 was working with someone for a longer period 00:14:20.100 --> 00:14:21.700 of time which i thought was great i think it 00:14:21.700 --> 00:14:24.039 kind of somewhat like vindicating you know like 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:26.059 hey look we're actually we're not making mistakes 00:14:26.059 --> 00:14:28.679 here we're actually managing to get people stronger 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:30.460 over time which i think is good and i think it's 00:14:30.460 --> 00:14:32.840 intuitive but it's not to see it studied and 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.500 you know portrayed so yeah that and then like 00:14:35.500 --> 00:14:38.340 we spoke about with the uh coach education so 00:14:38.340 --> 00:14:40.500 obviously that was linked to improvement and 00:14:40.500 --> 00:14:42.440 performance too which again very interesting 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.320 and then for satisfaction yeah there was like 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.120 a wasn't really much going on with the satisfaction 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:51.379 people who were with their coach longer had slightly 00:14:51.379 --> 00:14:54.559 more non -significant relationship with the satisfaction 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:56.940 so again kind of what you expect i would have 00:14:56.940 --> 00:14:59.500 actually expected it to be significant just because 00:14:59.500 --> 00:15:00.940 you think if you're going to spend a long time 00:15:00.940 --> 00:15:02.419 with someone you're probably a bit more satisfied 00:15:02.419 --> 00:15:06.059 but didn't quite see that and then yeah the the 00:15:06.059 --> 00:15:08.179 other thing i mean i spoke about how education 00:15:08.179 --> 00:15:10.080 had that drop off which i think is interesting 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.039 and then the other thing with satisfaction was 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:14.879 that uh lifters who had higher body weight coefficient 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.000 score generally tended to have higher levels 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:18.919 of satisfaction so basically stronger people 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:21.850 were happier which is Not surprising because 00:15:21.850 --> 00:15:23.409 obviously, you know, they're getting more out 00:15:23.409 --> 00:15:25.289 of their training, I think. So those are kind 00:15:25.289 --> 00:15:27.789 of the main things. It's very natural. If everything 00:15:27.789 --> 00:15:31.110 goes well, it's working. So it is pretty obvious 00:15:31.110 --> 00:15:34.250 that it's working. The problem is to recognize 00:15:34.250 --> 00:15:37.129 what is going wrong when the things are not going. 00:15:37.809 --> 00:15:41.559 Is it just we have to adjust things? Is it? I'm 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:44.720 as a lifter doing things wrong or coaches doing 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:46.480 things wrong. Like, you know. Yeah, exactly. 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:49.879 I think, you know, an interesting one which kind 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:51.120 of falls under what you're saying with regards 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:53.960 like communicating these things is the fact that 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:56.600 there wasn't a relationship between modes or 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:58.860 frequencies of communication. You know, basically 00:15:58.860 --> 00:16:01.320 what I came away with thinking is like, okay, 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:03.360 well, it doesn't matter if I do it verbally or 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:06.340 do it via written feedback or I do a recession 00:16:06.340 --> 00:16:08.480 or I do it once per week from the relationships 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:10.139 that I'm looking at. It doesn't seem to really 00:16:10.139 --> 00:16:12.840 matter. So, okay, what can I do with that? Okay, 00:16:12.940 --> 00:16:16.019 I've got more tools in my toolkit. So I can... 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:20.000 use more frequent communication when it suits 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.559 the lifter or i can use written feedback when 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.360 it suits the lifter bearing in mind i want to 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:26.740 maintain some sort of consistency among my practice 00:16:26.740 --> 00:16:29.080 just to help me be able to consistently conduct 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:31.259 my business but there's other ways to do it and 00:16:31.259 --> 00:16:33.860 and like it just seems from what we could tell 00:16:33.860 --> 00:16:36.120 from these correlations these relationships that 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.139 you know if you have or even if just you as a 00:16:39.139 --> 00:16:41.779 coach want to communicate in a certain way you 00:16:41.779 --> 00:16:43.759 know, you've got a few options there that tend 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:45.840 to be okay, at least from what we can gather, 00:16:45.940 --> 00:16:47.179 which I think is important because it's important 00:16:47.179 --> 00:16:48.960 to know how I want to communicate with you and 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.039 how you want to communicate with me. So we can 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.139 kind of like find a medium, middle ground. I 00:16:53.139 --> 00:16:55.559 think that's a great news because it gives options 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:59.019 and, you know, it's a big chunk of literature 00:16:59.019 --> 00:17:02.480 on that people learn differently. Some people 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:04.420 need to see it. Some people need to listen to 00:17:04.420 --> 00:17:07.359 it. And if you have these options, you can either 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.019 adjust to your style or to your lifter style 00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:14.460 or both. and it works equally good if performed 00:17:14.460 --> 00:17:17.539 to, I expect, to a certain level. Yeah, it's 00:17:17.539 --> 00:17:20.099 definitely made me consider it a lot more, just 00:17:20.099 --> 00:17:22.279 kind of seeing that middle of flexibility. Because 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.059 I think even just as a coach, sometimes it can 00:17:25.059 --> 00:17:26.700 get a bit monotonous doing the same thing over 00:17:26.700 --> 00:17:28.299 and over in the way that you communicate with 00:17:28.299 --> 00:17:30.480 someone. If I'm sending you a five, 10 -minute 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.799 voice video message every week, which is generally 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:34.660 how I do things, sometimes I want to break it 00:17:34.660 --> 00:17:36.180 up and I want to speak a little bit more throughout 00:17:36.180 --> 00:17:39.359 the week. And especially in a, let's say we're 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:41.130 in a phase where... i know there's a lot of stress 00:17:41.130 --> 00:17:43.329 around training and you you know i want to know 00:17:43.329 --> 00:17:44.789 kind of what's happening a little bit earlier 00:17:44.789 --> 00:17:47.069 i think it's valuable to be able to kind of tap 00:17:47.069 --> 00:17:48.950 into that when you need it if you need to do 00:17:48.950 --> 00:17:50.789 it it's got it made me think a lot more about 00:17:50.789 --> 00:17:52.650 like what do i want to be doing here because 00:17:52.650 --> 00:17:54.569 i kind of fell into the weekly thing because 00:17:54.569 --> 00:17:56.529 that was just what i like you know i had a coach 00:17:56.529 --> 00:17:58.349 before that that's what he did and that was kind 00:17:58.349 --> 00:18:01.089 of common practice at the time so yeah i'm interested 00:18:01.089 --> 00:18:02.950 to see how things develop because like i said 00:18:02.950 --> 00:18:06.450 if i was to survey people now especially with 00:18:06.450 --> 00:18:09.529 like knowing more people i think the high highest 00:18:09.529 --> 00:18:12.890 count would 100 % be the more frequent communication. 00:18:13.250 --> 00:18:16.529 But I could pick flaws in each kind of methodology 00:18:16.529 --> 00:18:19.589 or each method of communicating, right? So it's 00:18:19.589 --> 00:18:20.829 interesting. It's something that I continually 00:18:20.829 --> 00:18:22.930 think about. I think it's important just for 00:18:22.930 --> 00:18:25.670 people to understand that this is just like, 00:18:25.750 --> 00:18:27.930 it's something. I just wanted to put something 00:18:27.930 --> 00:18:30.450 out there in the online powerlifting, very specific 00:18:30.450 --> 00:18:33.650 niche coaching area, because I think these are 00:18:33.650 --> 00:18:35.730 things that people aren't really thinking about 00:18:35.730 --> 00:18:38.190 and they're not studying. And I think it's important. 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.220 There's so many online coaches now in powerlifting, 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:43.519 yet we don't really know what is good practice. 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:45.960 So I just wanted to be like, look, this is just, 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:48.359 I want to just get an idea of what's going on. 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.700 So I think it's good for people just to think 00:18:50.700 --> 00:18:53.299 about how they are conducting their coaching 00:18:53.299 --> 00:18:55.960 and what works for them, what works for their 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:58.599 client, and just kind of understanding what is 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.059 going on. And then I think on top of that, honestly, 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.140 I would love for someone to take this and run 00:19:03.140 --> 00:19:05.859 with it and do some control trials and actually 00:19:05.859 --> 00:19:08.519 like potentially compare it to... person coaching. 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:12.720 No, not me. I'm done. I'm tapped out. Eric would 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.160 say otherwise, but yeah, I want someone to run 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:17.460 with it and I want someone to do some control 00:19:17.460 --> 00:19:20.619 trials and just see like, okay, you know, we've 00:19:20.619 --> 00:19:24.619 got one group that is doing their feedback every 00:19:24.619 --> 00:19:27.059 session. And then, I mean, to be honest, a good 00:19:27.059 --> 00:19:28.380 place would start would be one group would be 00:19:28.380 --> 00:19:29.960 in coach online and then the other group just 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:31.819 being coached in person and then just seeing 00:19:31.819 --> 00:19:34.240 like, okay, well, we've got the online characteristics. 00:19:34.660 --> 00:19:37.400 Now, what does that look like in comparison to 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.059 in -person coaching and does one outperform? 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:42.539 the other and then i think you know along along 00:19:42.539 --> 00:19:44.539 the way it's not just about performance outcomes 00:19:44.539 --> 00:19:47.220 it's like how much is the lifter getting out 00:19:47.220 --> 00:19:48.759 of this as well i think that's so important to 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:50.920 me to know like this is why satisfaction was 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:53.279 such a big part of this survey is because like 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:55.519 i think that bleeds into so many positive outcomes 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:57.420 if they're enjoying themselves plus like you 00:19:57.420 --> 00:19:59.039 know these are this is a hobby for a lot of people 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:00.940 you want to make sure they're enjoying it it's 00:20:00.940 --> 00:20:03.880 not all about just uh getting stronger a lot 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:05.319 of it is but you know a lot of it's just like 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:07.740 am i enjoying what i'm getting here so yeah i'd 00:20:07.740 --> 00:20:09.579 love for someone to run with it if they could 00:20:09.579 --> 00:20:12.460 if they want to reach out to me and we can ideate 00:20:12.460 --> 00:20:15.660 but uh yeah it's probably not gonna be me we 00:20:15.660 --> 00:20:18.819 shall wait we will let you breathe a little bit 00:20:18.819 --> 00:20:21.839 and did you did you change anything in your coaching 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:24.619 after running this study and having these results 00:20:24.619 --> 00:20:30.500 i would say i have been open to speaking with 00:20:30.500 --> 00:20:32.099 people more frequently now but i think that's 00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:36.140 not just a byproduct of my own research but also 00:20:36.140 --> 00:20:39.339 just like talking to people and asking them questions 00:20:39.339 --> 00:20:41.640 about how they do their coaching when they get 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:43.500 more frequent feedback something that i would 00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:45.180 like to do which i haven't really said to anyone 00:20:45.180 --> 00:20:47.819 would be to because i'm i'm very intrigued by 00:20:47.819 --> 00:20:50.220 this higher frequency contact point and i would 00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:52.480 like to kind of trial it with some of my clients 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:55.740 and just see a if they like it and b if i like 00:20:55.740 --> 00:20:58.019 it and just kind of put it out to all of my clients 00:20:58.019 --> 00:21:00.259 and be like hey does some do some people think 00:21:00.259 --> 00:21:02.460 that they would benefit more from this which 00:21:02.460 --> 00:21:05.160 i think to me like in an idea world i think that 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:07.299 would be good just to kind of let them choose 00:21:07.299 --> 00:21:09.799 which way they want to be communicated with and 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:11.880 obviously you have to make a decision on like 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:13.259 whether you think that's good for them as well 00:21:13.259 --> 00:21:14.559 because some people will say oh yeah week two 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:16.460 weeks good and then they just never talk to you 00:21:16.460 --> 00:21:18.880 but i think i'd like to just have them somewhat 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:21.759 choose, but then I also need to consider how 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:23.680 that affects me in the way that I conduct my 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:25.539 business. Because if I'm jumping back and forth 00:21:25.539 --> 00:21:28.759 between different communication methods, it's 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:31.660 less easy for me to get into a workflow if my 00:21:31.660 --> 00:21:34.420 days are a bit disjointed. So yeah, I think to 00:21:34.420 --> 00:21:36.539 answer your question, come back to that somewhat 00:21:36.539 --> 00:21:39.460 now, but it's opened up some doors for the future. 00:21:39.660 --> 00:21:41.859 All right. So you have more questions and more 00:21:41.859 --> 00:21:44.019 things to think about. Yeah. That's such as life 00:21:44.019 --> 00:21:46.440 really, isn't it? Always more to think about. 00:21:46.619 --> 00:21:48.670 Very point. All right. Let's bring it. together 00:21:48.670 --> 00:21:52.250 your takeaways for coaches. It doesn't have to 00:21:52.250 --> 00:21:54.430 be powerlifting coaches. It can be in general 00:21:54.430 --> 00:21:57.589 your three cents to everyone who's listening. 00:21:57.769 --> 00:22:00.029 I think online coaching seems to work. There's 00:22:00.029 --> 00:22:02.109 many ways you can do it. I think finding what 00:22:02.109 --> 00:22:04.809 works best for you and what works best for your 00:22:04.809 --> 00:22:07.710 client is going to be a very important thing 00:22:07.710 --> 00:22:09.710 that you need to understand. So think about it. 00:22:09.750 --> 00:22:12.490 And then I think from a coaching and a lifter 00:22:12.490 --> 00:22:15.630 standpoint, there is a lot to be said with sticking 00:22:15.630 --> 00:22:18.029 it out with a coach and figuring. these things 00:22:18.029 --> 00:22:20.349 out before you just jump ship i think it's always 00:22:20.349 --> 00:22:22.509 a case of the grass is green with a lot of people 00:22:22.509 --> 00:22:24.890 but i think you know there's some associations 00:22:24.890 --> 00:22:27.289 here to suggest and also just like from my own 00:22:27.289 --> 00:22:30.170 practice that hashing it out together and working 00:22:30.170 --> 00:22:32.069 together on potentially the problems that you're 00:22:32.069 --> 00:22:34.029 having could be more valuable than just going 00:22:34.029 --> 00:22:36.190 elsewhere because if you start again with someone 00:22:36.190 --> 00:22:37.950 else you've got to build that whole relationship 00:22:37.950 --> 00:22:40.119 back up and that doesn't happen overnight All 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.279 right. Two short questions to finish. The first 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:45.339 one is what is your favorite lift? Oh, it's not 00:22:45.339 --> 00:22:47.480 the bench press. That's for sure. Nothing I hate 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:49.059 more. It's going to be the squat. I'm always 00:22:49.059 --> 00:22:52.259 most excited to squat. It's like it invokes far 00:22:52.259 --> 00:22:55.559 more anxiety because it's just a little bit more, 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.500 you know, you got weight on your back. It seems 00:22:57.500 --> 00:22:59.359 to be a little bit more at stake. I kind of suck 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:02.059 at squatting. So to me, it's a puzzle and figuring 00:23:02.059 --> 00:23:04.519 out how to like do it well and how to program 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:06.940 it. It sets the tone for the competition. It's 00:23:06.940 --> 00:23:09.059 the tone for the day. I love it. You know, if 00:23:09.059 --> 00:23:10.380 I could. If I could do it more, I would, but 00:23:10.380 --> 00:23:12.599 my body won't really allow for it. So yeah, definitely 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:14.400 a squat. I think a lot of people would say the 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.180 squat. It's exciting. I'm better at deadlifting, 00:23:16.339 --> 00:23:18.019 but it's easy. You just pick it up. Good job. 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.779 All right. And if people want to contact you 00:23:20.779 --> 00:23:23.339 or see what you're up to, where should they go 00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:25.960 online? Probably best place would just be my 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:29.720 Instagram, JasonVClark underscore NSBB. If they're 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.960 wanting to reach out about online coaching, there's 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:34.640 a form there that they can fill out. They can 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:36.619 literally just send me a message. I also run 00:23:36.619 --> 00:23:39.500 a gym in Auckland, North Shore. barbell. It's 00:23:39.500 --> 00:23:41.880 more of a club than anything. So if they wanted 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.880 to sign up and get into palleting and happen 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:47.099 to be listening on the North Shore of Auckland, 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:50.039 then feel free to ask about that as well. But 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:51.819 yeah, that's kind of the main medium that I use. 00:23:51.940 --> 00:23:53.859 Awesome, Jason. Thank you so much for today. 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:55.700 It was a pleasure. No problem at all. Thank you 00:23:55.700 --> 00:23:56.160 for having me.