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The CrossFit athletes need individualized weights

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that adjust to their needs. And this is a case

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to coaches to create or have different relatives

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between movement to individualize with percentage

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of the 1RM. Hi Alejandro, it's my pleasure to

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have you on Evidence Strong Show. If you could

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briefly introduce yourself, that would be awesome.

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Nice to meet you. alex first of all thanks for

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your invitation i am alejandro i am living in

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madrid now i I finished my bachelor studies in

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2019. And afterwards, I started with my Master

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of Science. In five years, the world's pride

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of CrossFit was insane. Because I loved the world.

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I think that maybe you know some people that

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works in CrossFit or attended a CrossFit box.

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And it's like so crazy. But like researchers

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or like coaches with an evidence, I think that

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we need a good practice, a good... individualization

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and a good parameters to start with this type

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of training because I think that it's an amazing

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training but have some problems because it's

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a mix of gymnastics, weightlifting, endurance

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in workouts that mix all these components and

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we need evidence about the volume, the intensity,

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the duration and what happens below this. And

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this is my mission. My mission is with my thesis

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that is at the end to answer different questions

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about CrossFit topics and try to get CrossFit

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at a sport more similar to weightlifting. For

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example, in weightlifting, the athlete knows

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intensity, volume, and is all individualized

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to their capacities. But in CrossFit, it's like

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standardizing movements, standardizing... and

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maybe it's not so good for participants of crossfit

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or crossfiters. That is all. I am a coach. First

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of all, second, I am a researcher, and third,

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I am a beginner professor in the European University

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of Madrid. Excellent. So you bridge the research

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and practice together for the benefit of sports.

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So we love it here in Evidence Strong. And today

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we'll be talking about your study, looking at

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predicting thruster, one repetition marks in

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thruster, from the clean and jerk, one repetition.

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So let's start with why this study. This study

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was not in our plan of thesis. It's outside our

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plan of thesis. But this plan has two or three

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steps. It's like the acute effects of different

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distribution workouts, like unwrapped MOM for

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time, and the difference between individualized

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barbell weights or standardized barbell weights,

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like RX weights. But we have a big problem. The

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problem was that... when we want it. to start

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a crossfit periodization with individualized

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movements, we only can now free movements because

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the participants of this study have to perform

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back squat, maximum repetition, clean, maximum

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repetition, and clean and jerk, maximum repetition.

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The problem is that the thruster is the movement

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most repeated in crossfit workouts. And there

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are no evidence about relations between other

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main movements like clean or like squat and the

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thruster movement because it's a movement novelty

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okay if we wanted to start this program and we

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have two or three workouts of our parallelization

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with thruster movement we need a relation between

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the clean and jerk and the thruster to predict

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the movement and not spend our time with athletes,

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calculate the one rem of the thruster. And this

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was the reason we need a relation between the

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clean and jerk and the thruster. Awesome. So

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that is the reason for the study. Now, how did

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you go about designing the study? So what was

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the protocol? The participants have to attend

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their habitual crossfit boxes and they have to

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ride. and we have to measure the descriptive

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measurements. Here is a relevant point because

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the experience practicing crossfit, gender and

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body weight and height are values that at the

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end of the study, the readers have this study

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and we perform a cluster analysis and we create

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different profiles depending on the 1RM and the

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height and the body weight. And afterwards, I

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think that it's better to... discuss this question.

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After descriptive data, they have to perform

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an spandau acid warm -up, general warm -up, and

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after this warm -up, a specific warm -up. The

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specific warm -up was the same for Kirchner and

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for Thruster to avoid discrepancies. The Thruster

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and Kirchner performed the protocol of Bachelet

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and Ehrlich, that is the same protocol that the

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NSCA guidelines to predict the one repetition

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massing, which is 50%. 60%, 80%, 93 % I try to

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get one PR, one personal record and between this

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one PR they have three minutes of rest. And this

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was the protocol in the clean and jerk and in

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the thruster. And the clean and jerk and thruster

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had a random order. Not is ever first clean and

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jerk and afterwards thruster. And these movements

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have to get 72 hours of rest between testing

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for our style. And of course, the coaches and

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the researchers have to say the movement is a

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good repetition. It's not a good... repetition

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they should do the proper technique and avoid

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mistakes with these movements if spectators doesn't

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know the movement of thruster because it's possible

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that with lifters or coaches of a West Philippine

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TV channel, the thruster is a movement that started

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with the barbell in the rack position. In the

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thruster, the movement is not since the floor

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normally and the athletes have to perform a full

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squat below the parallel and afterwards in the

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concentric phase of the triple extension, they

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have to end the movement. with an overhead movement

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and the elbows standing. And they cannot perform

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this movement with a stop between the shoulders

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and the overhead movement. It's only a movement

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in the concentric phase of the squat and the

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movement overhead with the elbows standing. And

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the King and Jer hard, they don't have to perform

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a full squat. For example, they have a power

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clean and after they have a benefit of the plyometric.

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phase during the split jerk that this is not

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the same thruster movement. The movements have

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some similarities but many differences. Right.

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Could we go through participants? Who did you

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end up getting for this study? Okay, for this

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study we know that CrossFit is attended for participants

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of different years, of different level, strength.

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And it was so interesting that any participant

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with more than three months of CrossFit experience

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and more than three days per week have the possibility

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to include in our inclusion criteria. And we

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have... different experience and this experience

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was online -sited classification depending on

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24 and more than 24 months of experience like

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experienced profiteers and less than 24 months

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of experience and of course difference between

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gender. We have in the study four groups. These

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four groups are experienced women, beginner women,

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experienced men and beginner men. And how many

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participants all together? 72. 73, I don't remember

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exactly, 72. We need over 20 participants in

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every group. And it's interesting because this

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study started in Spain. in Albacete, it's a city

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in the south of Madrid, in our box, and following

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another box in Spain, but finishing this study

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in Munich with my international stay with the

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Bundeswehr University Group. So the participants

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were from Spain, but the research team was between

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Germany and Spain. Yeah, the research team was

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a mix between Spain and Germany, and the participant

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is 90%. Spain and 10 % of Germany to complete

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the sample. Awesome. Okay. Four groups, beginners

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and advanced, females and males. So four groups

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there. You did the testing, two separate sessions,

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random order, thruster, one repetition max testing,

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and then clean and jerk, one repetition testing.

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And then you had all this data. What happened

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then? The correlation and the relation with all

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the participants not separate. I think our group

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was amazing because it was 0 .97 or 0 .98, I

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don't remember exactly. But when we study other

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manuscripts, other studies with Klinger and Snatch

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or other movements, it's 0 .92, depends on the

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sample, depending if it's a sports athlete or

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a beginner's athlete. But our study was 0 .98,

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a Croatian official, and it's extremely high.

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And the duration was similar with all the participants,

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with the 72 participants. But when we sorted,

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separated the different groups, we find similar

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results, but with difference. This difference

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depends on... the gender or if the participant

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has a high experience in crossfit and weightlifting

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movements or a lower experience in crossfit and

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weightlifting movements. Exactly the group with

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a high correlation and regression was the experienced

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man, but the other group with a high correlation

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and moderation was the experienced woman. But

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the difference between experienced and beginners

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was not so high. In the men group, experienced

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men and beginner men, but between experienced

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women and beginner women was bigger difference.

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Not so different because beginner women is 7

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.83. It's high, but not extremely high, but it's

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substantial difference. And in the discussion,

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in this manuscript, you can search different

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answers about these questions. Maybe, may crossfit

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athletes normally... can suppress the problems

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with the technique with the level of strength

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in the upper limbs but normally the girls or

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weightlifters we found that the level of experience

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and the mastery technical it's a very big difference

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with the counterparts beginners because women

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don't have so much in the upper limbs but with

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the improvement of the technique and the correct

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movement are able to increase their efficacy

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and efficiency in their movements. And maybe

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this could be the reason because between experienced

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men in CrossFit and beginner men in CrossFit

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notice a big difference between this moderation

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and this correlation in clean and jerk and fast

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step. But when the woman compares with other

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women with less experience or less level of weightlifting

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or crossfit practice, we found a bigger difference.

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Also, any athlete or any coach can use this model

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prediction and this formula to estimate their

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1RM in the thruster movement because 0 .83 to

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0 .97 is a model ratio with high strength, extremely

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high, okay? And it's so useful for coaches and

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athletes. How would you use these equations in

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coaching practice? I think that the future of

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CrossFit is in utilizing the training for every

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athlete, not for every high -level athlete, for

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every athlete that attended the box. Not standardizing

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weights in the workouts, in the movement. because

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this type of training is creating a two groups

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of athletes in crossfit boxes the responders

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and the non -responders because it's standardized

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weights the crossfit athletes need individualized

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weights that adjust to their needs and this is

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a case to coaches to create or have different

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relatives between movements to individualized

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with percentage of the 1RM. For example, Greg

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Everett in their manual have a lot of percentage

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of different movements or the professor Soriano

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have different percentage for overhead movements.

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And this is so useful. And this is essential

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information for coaches and for prescribing individualized

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weights in crossfit. Not only in the strength

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part. Of course, in the workout, in the work

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part. All right. So what I'm hearing is that

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the training in CrossFit, it's scalable, but

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it is not individualized in a sense. Weights

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are not, yeah, the weights are not adjusted to

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the current level of each athlete at the box.

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And that's what you're trying to change with

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your study. The now having prediction equations

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the coaches have or the athletes can calculate

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where the maximal repetitions are and scale from

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the actual layer, actual numbers instead of the

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RX number. Yeah. And this is only a part, I think,

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because CrossFit is not only weightlifting or

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backseat movements in strength. It's gymnastic

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movements that have different levels and it's

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endurance movements. And endurance is so easy

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because we have different devices in our race

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and it's very easy. to individualize with your

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health rate, so for example. Okay, I have a question

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about thruster and clean and jerk. So from my

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perspective, clean and jerk is quite a technical

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movement. Thruster is too, but as you mentioned

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before, it can be masked a little bit with the

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strength. So arty that is incredibly strong will

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have less. trouble executing thrusts there whereas

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in clean and jerk even strong athletes will have

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trouble if their technique is really really poor

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so how that will influence the prediction equations

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you think I agree with you and I think that this

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is the same that I commend with the experienced

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woman and beginner woman. And of course, in the

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case of experienced men and beginner men, because

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normally in the thrusting movements, men with

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a high level of strength is able to push overhead

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the barbell. with a heavy weight but when you

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test it to this athlete in a clean and jerk the

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technique they have a lack and it's not a big

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difference. The key for the technique I think

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that is the difference between clean and jerk

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and thruster because thruster is a movement with

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a demand of strength high demand of strength

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and in other part the clean and jerk has the

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split jerk and the split jerk is a deep and ripe

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timing. an eccentric phase and the combination

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phase and the concentric phase explode and they

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cause the split position of the feet, sorry.

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And I think that the difference between the 1RM

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in thrusters and the 1RM in King & Jer is the

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level of technique that maybe men are able to

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establish sometimes with the strength in the

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thrusters. Now we have a reference to our study

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to say that the thruster is the X percent of

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the King & Jer. And we now have evidence saying

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that it's a good relation and a good correlation

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for the percentage. But our idea is that this

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question has a transfer. to all the books on

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the works. We try to individualize the barbell

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weights with different formulas and with different

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modeler restaurants. Modeler restaurants like

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the Professor Soriano, Greg Ebrek's book, all

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the other studies that create the relationship

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between a clean and jerk and a snatch, between

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a squat, a front squat, back squat, etc. That's

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awesome. All right. Do you want to bring it all

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together and have a take -home message for coaches

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from your study? What should they... take my

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advice is that measure their athletes afterwards

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try to have a reference for one of these athletes

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and try to individualize inside the world in

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the gymnastic movement attended to their characteristics.

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In the weightlifting movement, normally in CrossFit

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workouts, we have three or four movements, a

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barbell and with the same weight. And this is

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a problem of this question. Every coach is apt

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to select the weight with the movement, with

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the limited movement. The limited movement is

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the movement that athletes are able to raise

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less weight. For example, a limited movement.

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is an overhead movement not added lift because

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there are a big difference and they have to individualize

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with the movement of the overhead with the overhead

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movement and afterwards a polar garmin device

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or a different brand to try to today is a day

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of low intensity today is a high intensity day

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train high intensity every day i'm not saying

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this is for coaches The athletes have two days,

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high intensity days, but have to participate

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in low intensity days to have a condolatory realization.

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All right. We have two short questions to finish.

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The first one is, what is your favorite lift?

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And in a sedentary world life, I think that it's

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essential. And in weightlifting movements, snatch,

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of course. Snatch is a combination of technique,

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mobility, strength. I love snatch. And I think

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that there are so many beauty in it. and snatch

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with a proper technique and a big weight in a

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weightlifting competition. All right. And the

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last question would be where people can find

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you if they want to be up to date with what you're

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doing. Okay. Resurrected plate is Blue Ocean,

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Alejandro Oliver. I'm in Eastern, Alejandro .Oliver.

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It's another channel that is so interesting.

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And of course, in my email, A .Oliver. Thank

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you, Alejandro, so much for today. And see you

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next time, I guess. Maybe. Why not?
