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If your goal is to compete at a national or international

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level, you need a support team. You can't just

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rely on your coach because your coach... is needs

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to be focused on weightlifting right and the

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coach can seek outside education but the coach

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doesn't have the qualifications and the educational

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background to do nutrition to do the sports psych

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to do you know the massage therapy right like

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body work right yeah the the physical therapy

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right these are things where you need a support

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team Hi, Tom. It's my pleasure to have you on

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Evidence Strong Show. If you could briefly introduce

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yourself. Yeah, thank you so much for having

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me. This is super exciting. So I'm Tom Smalley.

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I'm a certified mental performance consultant,

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the founder and owner of my own private practice,

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Struggle and Destrain Performance. And it's all

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about helping high performers with their mental

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fitness and getting them to be the best they

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can be when their best is required. So it's been

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kind of my MO and my career is to help people

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bridge the gap between fitness. physical and

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mental fitness and understand that there's a

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whole different side to things that you need

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to address. You have some experience in Olympic

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weightlifting too, don't you? Yeah, yeah. So

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I am a competitive weightlifter myself. Being

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in weightlifting, seeing how... welcoming the

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community is seeing how really how small the

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community is right like a lot of people know

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each other it's been a joy to start working with

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some weightlifters you know starting out that

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wasn't my main population and then pretty soon

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when people figured out that I was a competitive

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weightlifter I think there's something to be

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said about someone that's been in in the same

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arena as them and so when I'm working with weightlifters

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you know I have about about 30 weightlifters

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I see consistently as individual clients. It's

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really, really interesting to work with people

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that I think very much connect with on a personal

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level too, because I know what they're going

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through. And so I think I address things a little

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bit differently and I'm a little bit more creative

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because I know the sport so well. Excellent.

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So excited to have you and to pick your brain

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on some tips, how to support weightlifters best

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for coaches and for weightlifters too. So let's

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imagine we are... bringing the weightlifter to

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the gym and we are a coach, how to create the

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environment that will be amazing in terms of

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not only training the physical part of the sport,

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but also the mental? Yeah, it's a really good

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question. I think a lot of people do it differently.

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I think I want to start with a lot of coaches

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in weightlifting and in, you know, in other sports,

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people have, athletes are often given labels,

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right? So they're always, you have athletes that

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will be given labels like they're not. a clutch

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or they're not they don't they have a low motor

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right their their effort isn't great and it's

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our job as coaches it's the coach's job to produce

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a culture and an environment that allows them

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to one understand how to face adversity head

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-on understand how to cope with adversity and

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manage it Manage pressure. And then also the

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environment needs to be made a environment that

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is self -motivating. Right. So a lot of times

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I'll have coaches that I that I consult with

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and they'll ask me, this person's effort isn't

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like they're just not giving everything they

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have. And it's like, OK, well, what are we doing

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as coaches to produce an environment that makes

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that athlete want to give everything they have?

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Right. And so I think that is like the struggle

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that the coaches have is is producing that environment.

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that makes athletes autonomous, right? And give

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everything they have. And I think that starts

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with creating a culture of emphasizing the process

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over outcome. Like that is like number one. If

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you're already, if a new lifter is coming into

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the gym and they're new to weightlifting and

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you're already emphasizing, we want to hit these

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numbers and we want to do this and medal and

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podium at nationals, you're going to lose them

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real fast because one, you're already going to

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place them in a place where they're going to

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experience some burnout because now they're.

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feeling fresher immediately to be at a certain

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level so we want to try to almost i like to say

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there's a difference between standards and expectations

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right expectations are placed on us by other

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people maybe they're placed on us by ourselves

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by past performances but those expectations are

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outcome related right and we can't necessarily

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control the outcome but we can control as coaches

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as athletes as people we can control our standards

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and so the biggest i would say objective for

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a coach is to have standards in your gym. Have

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standards of your values, right? Is it consistency?

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Is it discipline? Is it empathy? Whatever those

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values are, define those. Have clear standards

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of what your gym's values are. And then when

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the athlete walks in, make sure those values

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are known because that athlete is going to understand,

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like, this is what's important first, is being

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this type of athlete, right? Trying to... show

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up as this type of athlete not worried about

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outcome aside how do they how do you want to

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show up on competition day on in training day

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to day and that having values and standards that

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of we're going to give all of our effort. We're

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going to, even as something as simple as we're

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going to reflect thoughtfully after training

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sessions, right? So like these are standards

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we can control, right? And when you can control

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those standards, now you're thinking very process

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oriented. Any practical tips? So should you have

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a board with your values written on the wall?

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Should you, what are the options coaches have?

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Yeah, I think the options are, you know, I think

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having signs and like signage on the wall. People

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don't view. Realize how far that goes. Like,

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you know, even a website that lists your core

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values. Right. It brings legit feeling to, OK,

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these are this is what matters in this space.

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Right. And then the as a coach, they need to

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embody that as well. Right. So you can't have

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core values and not follow them yourself. So

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when you make those core values, make sure that's

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something that you're going to adhere to also,

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because I've been in rooms where the coach, the

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leadership expects people to follow something.

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But the leader isn't. doing it themselves and

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it's very very challenging as an athlete to try

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to follow something that even that it looks like

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the leader doesn't even believe in right so as

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a coach i think the practical tip is finding

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values and standards putting Weights back, you

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know, putting things back where you found them,

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cleaning the barbells off, little details like

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that, cultivating that environment, having those

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standards that aren't necessarily outcome based

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and forcing the athlete to think about numbers

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creates an environment that is going to allow

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the athlete to grow because you're not just coaching

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them in weightlifting. You're coaching them for,

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you know, for for life, too. Right. Like you're

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coaching them for real life outside of weightlifting

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things. And so I think if you can. applied those

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standards in a weight room, they're going to

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translate outside too. So I think, yeah, I mean,

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whiteboard, I like to have, I like to make sure

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every, I would, if I was a coach starting a club,

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I would say, make sure everybody has a training

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journal because how you reflect on things after

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training is going to carry into the next session.

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And, you know, I think having a training journal,

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allowing them to write things down. Shows them

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the process a little bit more than, you know,

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just posting it on Instagram. So how would you

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advise while here how the training log, the training

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journal should look like? Typical training journal

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for me, personally, the weightlifter, I like

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to do like put my training in what, you know,

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what my coach is giving me. And then I have a

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spot for reflection. So as a mental performance

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consultant, I do with my clients what I call

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a WWW, WWI list. So it's just a T chart, right?

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down the middle and then it's just what went

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well what's worth improving so what the idea

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is to try to get rid of language around good

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and bad right the minute we start labeling things

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as good and bad we start falling into narratives

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and our thoughts are now labeled as I shouldn't

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have this thought or I should have this thought

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or this thought is bad to have during training

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and competition. And this thought is good to

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have during training and competition. And so

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when we start thinking about that, we start getting

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into a fight or flight if we start having certain

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thoughts. And so we want to try to get away from

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the language of good and bad, negative and positive,

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right? Where a lot of people are and really just

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take. Three or five things that we felt we did

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well that we can control. Right. So it's not

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like, oh, I snatched 100 today. That was great.

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Right. Like, that's awesome. Right. That's yeah.

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I mean, that's a great day. But like, no, we

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want to say like I was intentional with how I

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stayed. I kept the bar close to my body today

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during my during my first poll. Right. So like

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something really down to the details. And then

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or like I would I loved how I was intentional

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about the affirmations that I was telling myself

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before. taking a tough look. Right. So something

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that we did that we could control and carry into

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the next session. And then the other side is

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what's worth improving. Right. And so it's not

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the negatives. Right. It's looking at these things

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that we did that maybe we didn't do at the highest

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level that we want to take for next time to improve

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on. Right. So it's not saying like this was bad

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and I don't know how I'm going to fix it. It's

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looking at these things we didn't do great and

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looking at it as an opportunity to improve on

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them for next time. Right. So we take some. something

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self -defeating maybe and turn it into something

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self -enhancing. So it's looking at that what's

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worth improving with that growth mindset of,

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hey, like these are just a few things that I

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want to be intentional about next time. There

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are athletes who are very easy to talk to. Maybe

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they have similar personality to the coach. So

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they, you know, the bonding is very easy and

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instant. But there are other athletes who are,

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maybe they are different. Maybe they are just

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different from the coach. Maybe they are a little

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bit more reserved. How to build an effective

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community. communication because the more coach

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understands the athlete, the better the coaching

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would be, presumably. So how to implement effective

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communication? Totally. And I think this is a

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PSA to athletes too. It isn't all on the coach,

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right? So when you choose to be an athlete at

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a competitive level, you're choosing the responsibility

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to also communicate. It doesn't mean you have

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to be this outgoing, you know, extroverted human

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being. Your bare minimum responsibility as an

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elite level athlete or as a competitive athlete

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is to communicate with your coach because your

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coach is not a mind reader. So any athletes listening

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to this, you have is your responsibility as well

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as much as it is the coaches. That being said,

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I think it's really a good practice to get into

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to for the coach to just ask straight up. Hey,

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like what are your preferred communication styles?

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Like, do you want me to check in daily? Do you

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want me to check in weekly? Can I match? your

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expectations for me. Athletes have, coaches have

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expectations for their athletes and athletes

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should have expectations for their coaches. And

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it's important for both sides to understand what

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those expectations are. Similar to the athlete.

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joining a gym. These are our standards. And these

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are the standards and values that we go by at

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this gym. And we want you to embody that. And

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so the coach and the athlete need to make sure

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they can meet the expectations. Is that an expectation

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that I can meet? Can I check in with this person

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every day? I wouldn't tell my client that I'm

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going to check in daily if I actually knew I

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wouldn't be able to do that. So really setting

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those clear boundaries of understanding what

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that athlete needs in terms of communication

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but then the other aspect right is is the athlete

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needs to understand that coaches are mind readers

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and you can't get what you need from a coach

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if you're not going to ask for it right the worst

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thing is they could say is no so I think there's

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there's obviously two sides to it in terms of

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understanding what an athlete I really think

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that's a discussion that you have to have with

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the athlete. I don't think it's something you

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don't want to leave it up to chance. Right. So

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like you don't want to get this athlete coming

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to your gym and then, you know, try to check

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in frequently and then just back off because

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you realize they're not responding. Right. So

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the more legwork you do up front with getting

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to know the athlete and building that relationship,

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the easier the communication is going to be down

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the line. How would you go about it? Would you

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suggest having an interview? when the athlete

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comes into the gym or what are the best ways

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to do it, do you think? Yeah, I think it's a

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conversation. I think, you know, if athletes

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are unable to advocate for themselves or if it's

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a younger athlete, scales are great, right? Inventories

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are great. You know, it's an easy way for an

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athlete to fill something out and you to get

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an idea of, you know, okay, maybe they don't

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want me to talk to them as much or what kind

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of... of motivation do they like, right? Do they

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like someone that's rah -rah and pumped up? Or

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do they like someone that's calm, right? So people

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respond differently to different styles of coaching.

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So I think trying to put together an inventory

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of finding out what that athlete needs is another

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way, or like a survey, right? To understand what

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that athlete needs is another way to get information

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without having to have a direct conversation.

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But in my opinion, if you can't have that conversation

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with an athlete, then they're not at the emotional

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maturity level. to handle being a competitive

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athlete. Interesting. Two questions on that.

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Some young athletes, you know, they come from

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different backgrounds. They may actually be lacking

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in communication skills when they come to the

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gym and yet they may be a talented athlete and

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you as a coach may decide, okay, I will try to

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work with them nonetheless. Now, how would you

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bridge this gap or how would you teach the athlete

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to communicate? Would you have any advice or

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tips? The first thing I would do is make sure

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that the athlete knows that they're talented

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right and that they have a good shot at being

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good at this but like with like every elite athlete

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there's going to be work involved with it so

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understand getting them to understand what it

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takes right and what what it takes to be great

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and then with that you start building buy -in

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so trust isn't built overnight and i think that

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is something that people struggle with because

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they want that instant trust right but trust

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is like you putting dollars into an atm in small

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moments where you showed up for that person right

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it's not you know there might be some moments

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bigger than others but as a as an athlete You

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don't just immediately gain trust. A coach can't

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just immediately gain trust from an athlete,

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right? So some quicker than others, but you want

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to make sure you're daily depositing that trust,

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right? And so a lot of that goes with just continually

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showing up for the athlete, showing in different

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ways that you care, and then trying to adapt

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to how the athlete communicates, right? So I

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think in terms of maybe they have... poor communication

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skills. I think coaches need to look at it as

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an opportunity to help build those communication

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skills. Maybe they came from a background where

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they didn't have parents around or they didn't

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have a good home life. Okay, great. This is a

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good opportunity to build up communication skills

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and help them for life, right? So looking at

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things similar to how athletes need to look at

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things with a growth mindset and the odds and

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opportunity, coaches should do the same. And

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so I think, you know, the things I've helped

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coaches implement is like weekly check -ins.

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readiness scales right so things of that nature

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where you're getting information and it's more

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in a scheduled way so you're not i think the

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more you can schedule it the more official it

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becomes and more serious it becomes in their

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mind so that they won't they'll know that hey

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wednesdays we communicate right so if they're

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not someone where you can have that fluid communication

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and check in wherever start scheduling it and

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make it a priority show them that they're a priority

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to you as an athlete and that you're a priority

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to them as a coach, right? And this is a real

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business relationship and something that matters

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to you. And you want to see them grow. So I think

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scheduling it helps. Awesome. I like that. Very

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practical. How to transition from being a young

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lifter who just comes to learn weightlifting

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and then has talent or doesn't, but works hard

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and gets somewhere. How to get them from being

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totally dependent on the coach to being in a

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partnership with coach? Yeah, I think it requires

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a few different facets, right? So it requires

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the open communication of a coach and athlete.

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and what they both need from each other, right?

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So understanding that what the athlete needs

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and what the coach needs is number one, right?

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So they're going to be a lot more dependent on

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a coach if their coach is providing them with

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a lot more than they need, right? So you're almost

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building patterns early on. So when you get an

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athlete at a young age, like... Don't do everything

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for them because then that's what's going to

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be expected, right? So putting them in a safe

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place of controlled adversity, right? Or of controlled

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accountability, right? Builds those habits so

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that they're not as dependent later on, right?

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So when I worked at the college level for athletics,

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I saw a lot of hand -holding and these were 20...

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to 23 -year -old men, right? And, you know, my

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thought was like, these coaches are holding their

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hands and then they're going to graduate and

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then they're going to have no life skills, right?

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And so the more you can, you're actually doing

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them a disservice by doing everything for them,

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right? So I think having a checklist for athletes,

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having that accountability, right, where there's

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an expectation, the athlete has a focused accountability

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of, I need to do, my requirement on my end is

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to do this, this, and this, right? And then,

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often like kind of readapting and re -evaluating

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what those accountability checklist items are

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right it could be anything from hydration to

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you know i need to not look at my phone while

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i'm training right so little things like that

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but i think understanding that Both the coach

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and athlete need to put in the same effort. And

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once there's a lack of effort from one side,

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that's when things get very difficult. Weightlifting

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is about the numbers, but it also is a weight

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class sport. So there's a nutrition and sports

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performance goes hand in hand with nutrition.

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There is the psychological, the mental part to

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it. You have to learn skills to cope with stress.

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There are only six lifts, three and three, and

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you have to make them. And they are on the stage,

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you are by yourself and the weight is heavy.

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So what is your view on an athlete having a coach

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versus athlete having a coach, but also a nutritionist,

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psychologist, whatever network or a team they

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may need or have around them? Yeah, definitely.

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I think, so I'm huge on scope of practice, right?

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And I think it's super important to have a support

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team, right? So understand like, listen, I get

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some people can't afford it. Right. I get, you

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know, some people know that's not possible. But

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if your goal is to compete at a national or international

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level, you need a support team. Like you can't

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just rely on your coach because your coach is

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needs to be focused on weightlifting. Right.

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And the coach can seek outside education. But

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the coach doesn't have the qualifications and

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the educational background to do nutrition, to

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do the. sports psych to do you know the massage

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therapy right like body work right yeah the the

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physical therapy right these are things where

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you need a support team and the best athletes

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i've been around have a support team but not

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only do they have a support team but though that

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support team knows each other right and knows

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what's going on with their nutrition knows what's

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going on with their pt and it's all connected

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right and so the best athletes i see take care

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of their body at a high level take care of their

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mind at a high level right it doesn't mean they

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don't have setbacks so they don't face adversity

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but they have a support team around them right

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and those are the ones that last a long time

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in the sport and in and see a lot of success

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so i think it is really important Coach is super

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important, no doubt about it, right? You need

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a weightlifting coach if you're going to be an

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elite level weightlifter. That being said, I

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think you start seeing a lot of strain on the

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relationship when the coach tries to do more

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than just be their weightlifting coach, right?

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And so I think if a coach could just be the weightlifting

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coach and allow someone else to do nutrition

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and allow someone else, if the coach, if weightlifting

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coach is checking in about nutrition, there's

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just going to be a blurred line of like how many

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jobs they hold for the athlete. So I think getting

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qualified professionals around you. is vital

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to success. All right. How coaches could think

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about teaching athletes the skills for transition?

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So the weightlifting could be teaching life.

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Now, how the coach could be thinking about implementing

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more than just weightlifting skills in their

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athletes. Yeah, totally. Like you said, the relationship

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can be so beneficial. This is a really, really

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unique sport where that relationship, the coach

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-athlete relationship is like no other. It's

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just you're placing a lot of trust in the coach

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and the coach is placing a lot of trust in the

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athlete. And you're with each other a lot, right?

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And you're with each other during tough times,

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during great, the best of times, the PRs, right?

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You're with each other in really, really important

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times in life. And so with that, I think comes

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for the opportunity for both of you to look at

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adversity from a different lens. Right. And so

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I think when though I was looking at like a bomb

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out as an opportunity for the athletes showing,

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you know, what they need to do to to face that

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adversity. Right. Like helping them understand

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what what adversity looks like. Like I think

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as a coach, they just need to understand that

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like you're when you decide to be any sort of

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coach, you're also taking up a human being. as

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well. Right. And that human being is going to

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have tough times. That human being needs to be

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thought of as a human being first. Right. And

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so the minute coach forgets that the athlete

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is a human being is the minute you start. losing

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the application of these skills that you're building

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translating into real life, right? And so like

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every opportunity, every setback, every adversity

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instance is a chance for this coach to help them

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build these skills. And so as a coach, you need

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to remember that you're taking on the human being

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because then you're going to keep those skills

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at the forefront of your mind of trying to help

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them for that transition to life too. I've rarely

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seen in my time an athlete that works hard in

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a way. weight room not being a great person and

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very resilient human being on outside of the

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weight room right these two are very correlated

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it's very very rare to see someone give everything

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they have in the weight room and not be that

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type of person outside of it right so it translates

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and so as a coach i think understanding your

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why and in that aspect and like taking it that

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seriously that you're in you're you're creating

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a really great opportunity for to help develop

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a human being You mentioned a few times our diversity

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and dealing with our diversity and how that builds

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a great weightlifter. So could we go there? Let's

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imagine that the athlete had horrible competition

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or they plateaued and they are not improving

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anymore for various reasons. Maybe there's an

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injury. Maybe there's no apparent reason. How

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would you... I mean, the first thing is we reflect,

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right? We do that. Even in the worst competitions

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we ever had, what went well, three things that

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went well that you controlled, right? So you're

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immediately taking a competition and thinking

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about the, you know, what possibly went well.

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And then you're like, oh, well, I did maintain

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composure between this rap, you know? So I think

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like immediately trying to reflect, but not in

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a way that's going to... cause you to have more

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overthinking, more stress, right? So controlled

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reflection and controlled and intentional reflection

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post -meeting, right? And then the other aspect

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is the cool thing about the brain is that neuroplasticity,

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we can actually practice how to formulate a better

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response to stress. And so if we take these instances

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of adversity, and reflect thoughtfully, understand

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reframing thoughts, start using mental imagery,

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right? And start applying mental skills and then

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get back on the platform. We're reinforcing the

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habit of overcoming adversity and actually building

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our mental resilience and like that neuroplasticity

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and that stress response. It's super cool. So

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if you fail at something, it's actually an opportunity

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to... rebuild your stress response. And coaches

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have a really, really big impact on that, right?

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And how they go about looking at failure, right?

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You know, it's corny, but, you know, I always

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heard that. fail means first attempt in learning,

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right? And it's the acronym. But it's true. If

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you look at failure as just another attempt at

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learning and being better for the next time,

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then all of a sudden you're reframing the fault.

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The problem people run into is they have a negative

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thought or so, and they just try to think positively,

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right? And if I told you to... This is a very

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common problem with self -talk, right? If I told

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someone to not think of a pink elephant, they're

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going to immediately think of a pink elephant,

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right? And so just telling someone to... think

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positively isn't going to actually do anything

00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:00.579
for them. So we want to take the self -defeating

00:25:00.579 --> 00:25:02.700
thought and turn it into something self -enhancing.

00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:05.920
So instead of, oh, gosh, I, you know, missed

00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:08.779
all three snatches or I missed my first snatch.

00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:11.220
I'm going to miss this next one. And if I miss

00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:12.599
this next one, my coach is going to hate me.

00:25:12.700 --> 00:25:15.559
OK, one, diffuse the thought. What evidence do

00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:17.400
you have to support that thought? And what evidence

00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.660
do you have against that thought? Right. If you

00:25:19.660 --> 00:25:21.660
have any, you're not going to have any evidence

00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:23.299
to really support that thought. Right. And so

00:25:23.299 --> 00:25:26.180
diffusing the thought and then. actually reframing

00:25:26.180 --> 00:25:28.380
it to be like an opportunity. OK, I missed my

00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:30.940
first snatch. This is a really awesome opportunity

00:25:30.940 --> 00:25:33.339
to show how resilient I am in the second attempt.

00:25:33.500 --> 00:25:36.579
This is a really great opportunity to show all

00:25:36.579 --> 00:25:38.500
the preparation, hard work I've been putting

00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:41.319
in. Right. So not guaranteeing an outcome with

00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:43.619
that self -enhancing thought, but almost looking

00:25:43.619 --> 00:25:46.420
at things from a lens of, oh, I can't wait to

00:25:46.420 --> 00:25:48.680
show people how I show myself and show other

00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:51.200
people how much work and preparation I've put

00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.240
in. Right. So relying on that preparation, because

00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:55.759
that's where confidence. comes from aside from

00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:58.180
achievement so what i'm hearing is that you advise

00:25:58.180 --> 00:26:01.599
to going back to the process and making sure

00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:05.299
that the process is as good as it could be then

00:26:05.299 --> 00:26:08.279
you can always go back to that now the work actually

00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:12.519
is done i may miss this lift but I've done, I've

00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.700
put the work in and that's the opportunity to

00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:18.740
show it. If it happens, it does. If it doesn't,

00:26:18.740 --> 00:26:21.519
it doesn't cancel the work that has been done.

00:26:21.700 --> 00:26:24.039
No. And people, especially in this sport, right,

00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:26.519
come, like you said earlier, they come with a

00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:28.619
lot of all or nothing thinking, right? Because

00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:30.980
it is six lifts, right? And how many times do

00:26:30.980 --> 00:26:33.099
people could pee a year, maybe four or five,

00:26:33.140 --> 00:26:35.900
right? Like, yeah, maybe 18 attempts at something,

00:26:36.019 --> 00:26:38.539
right? Where you're practicing hours and hours

00:26:38.539 --> 00:26:40.779
and hours at something, right? So it is, it is.

00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:42.519
People come with that all or nothing thinking,

00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:45.119
oh, all this work that I put in is for nothing

00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:46.920
if I don't make this lift and I don't medal.

00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.420
Right. But if you think about it like and you

00:26:49.420 --> 00:26:52.759
ask them, OK, so all that growth as a human being

00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:54.839
and all that growth as an athlete wasn't worth

00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.099
it. Right. And then they're like, then they'll

00:26:57.099 --> 00:26:59.779
say, oh. Well, no, I'm glad I did all that, right?

00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:02.619
So it's very easy to fall into that all or nothing

00:27:02.619 --> 00:27:04.740
pattern of thinking, right? If I don't make this

00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:07.240
lift, it was all for nothing. But the reality

00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.420
is like you grew as a human being, you grew as

00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:11.640
an athlete. Maybe you didn't reach your outcome

00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:13.839
goal, but that doesn't mean it was for nothing.

00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.009
And then I think. Like you said, the preparation

00:27:16.009 --> 00:27:18.210
aspect, right? Like confidence, you know, there's

00:27:18.210 --> 00:27:21.069
no denying, right? Confidence comes from achievement.

00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:23.069
If you do something successfully over and over

00:27:23.069 --> 00:27:25.109
again, you're going to have more self -efficacy.

00:27:25.150 --> 00:27:26.730
You're going to have more confidence, right?

00:27:26.849 --> 00:27:29.250
There's no denying that. But confidence also

00:27:29.250 --> 00:27:32.150
comes from preparation, right? And if you put

00:27:32.150 --> 00:27:34.230
in the work and prepare, you're going to feel

00:27:34.230 --> 00:27:36.890
more confident. And that's part of that is having

00:27:36.890 --> 00:27:39.450
that support team around you, right? Where you're

00:27:39.450 --> 00:27:42.150
putting work in all the different buckets. And

00:27:42.150 --> 00:27:43.730
if you prepare in all those different buckets,

00:27:43.910 --> 00:27:45.289
you're going to... gonna feel pretty good on

00:27:45.289 --> 00:27:47.410
competition day and then like you said right

00:27:47.410 --> 00:27:49.710
like if it doesn't happen at least you don't

00:27:49.710 --> 00:27:52.250
have that regret of i left something out there

00:27:52.250 --> 00:27:54.750
right or i left you know i had more in the tank

00:27:54.750 --> 00:27:57.670
right i had i could have done this right discipline

00:27:57.670 --> 00:28:01.210
weighs ounces but regrets regret weighs tons

00:28:01.210 --> 00:28:03.869
man regret weighs a lot more than the discipline

00:28:03.869 --> 00:28:05.950
right so if you're disciplined and put in the

00:28:05.950 --> 00:28:08.230
preparation and it just doesn't come together

00:28:08.230 --> 00:28:10.390
on me day okay we're gonna reflect and we're

00:28:10.390 --> 00:28:12.769
gonna build off that but you also you can no

00:28:12.769 --> 00:28:14.990
doubt about but be disappointed, right? There's

00:28:14.990 --> 00:28:17.390
no, every feeling is valid. You could feel disappointed.

00:28:17.569 --> 00:28:19.829
You could feel bummed, but you'll feel still

00:28:19.829 --> 00:28:22.809
like you gave everything you had. You know in

00:28:22.809 --> 00:28:24.930
your gut, I gave everything I had. It just didn't,

00:28:24.930 --> 00:28:26.869
it didn't come together and I didn't perform

00:28:26.869 --> 00:28:28.750
the way I wanted to. But you'll also know in

00:28:28.750 --> 00:28:31.170
your gut if you didn't do everything you could

00:28:31.170 --> 00:28:33.109
have done. And I think that's really what it

00:28:33.109 --> 00:28:35.329
comes down to. All right. So in the case where

00:28:35.329 --> 00:28:37.789
the person has some regrets, I don't know, they

00:28:37.789 --> 00:28:39.849
didn't go to bed on time. They didn't eat enough.

00:28:39.950 --> 00:28:43.819
They did some crazy stuff. two days before because

00:28:43.819 --> 00:28:46.480
they were in a new city excited blah blah blah

00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:51.880
how to make a positive impact out of that a learning

00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:55.339
experience right i think listen i think self

00:28:55.339 --> 00:28:59.259
-compassion and giving yourself some grace for

00:28:59.259 --> 00:29:01.799
your journey and your environment. And maybe

00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.720
things weren't exactly how they needed to be

00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:06.619
for yourself, but we also have a lot of control

00:29:06.619 --> 00:29:09.420
over things. So I think also having honest conversations

00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:13.359
too, right, are important for growth. And in

00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:15.859
that case, you know, hey, these were our goals.

00:29:16.059 --> 00:29:18.240
Your actions didn't align with them, right? So

00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.660
we can't be upset if we didn't reach these goals

00:29:20.660 --> 00:29:23.960
or if we weren't in position, in the best position.

00:29:24.170 --> 00:29:25.890
possible to reach these goals, right? Because

00:29:25.890 --> 00:29:27.769
we can't guarantee an outcome, even if we goal

00:29:27.769 --> 00:29:29.710
plan. And even if we do everything, we can't

00:29:29.710 --> 00:29:31.589
guarantee an outcome. But if we did something

00:29:31.589 --> 00:29:34.210
too nice before, or we weren't taken care of

00:29:34.210 --> 00:29:37.569
at XYZ, we can't really be mad about not hitting

00:29:37.569 --> 00:29:40.670
our lifts and getting a gold medal, right? Because

00:29:40.670 --> 00:29:42.509
that means our actions didn't align with our

00:29:42.509 --> 00:29:44.470
goals. And that's a really, really tough pill

00:29:44.470 --> 00:29:47.470
to swallow, right? Because it forces the athlete

00:29:47.470 --> 00:29:50.190
to accept, like, I didn't do my job, right? And

00:29:50.190 --> 00:29:52.289
that's when the coach needs to step in and say,

00:29:52.430 --> 00:29:54.430
okay, you didn't do this. your job this time.

00:29:54.470 --> 00:29:56.630
What can we do differently next time, right?

00:29:56.750 --> 00:30:00.410
How can I best support you to do the things you

00:30:00.410 --> 00:30:02.970
need to get done next time, right? So there's

00:30:02.970 --> 00:30:04.829
accountability on both ends. Even if the coach

00:30:04.829 --> 00:30:07.730
doesn't believe in that, they need to act like

00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:11.210
they do because the athletes already self -defeated,

00:30:11.329 --> 00:30:13.029
right? They're already down on themselves and

00:30:13.029 --> 00:30:15.089
already bummed and disappointed themselves that

00:30:15.089 --> 00:30:16.630
they didn't take care of what they needed to

00:30:16.630 --> 00:30:18.829
take care of. They know what they did. So if

00:30:18.829 --> 00:30:21.349
they already know what they did, then hey, compassion,

00:30:21.650 --> 00:30:24.150
but also keep them accountable and say, hey,

00:30:24.190 --> 00:30:25.950
let's look at the next opportunity. Here's what

00:30:25.950 --> 00:30:28.490
X, Y, Z, what you didn't do last time. What can

00:30:28.490 --> 00:30:30.470
we do to do things differently this time? But

00:30:30.470 --> 00:30:32.970
there is an aspect of like, hey, you need to

00:30:32.970 --> 00:30:35.190
be accountable too, right? Like that's, you know,

00:30:35.190 --> 00:30:38.109
and listen, if you don't want to meddle or you

00:30:38.109 --> 00:30:40.410
don't want to compete at this high level, that's

00:30:40.410 --> 00:30:43.190
fine. But don't say you do and not have your

00:30:43.190 --> 00:30:46.099
actions align with it. Right. So getting your

00:30:46.099 --> 00:30:48.900
values and goals to align with your actions and

00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:50.359
your actions to align with your values and goals

00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:52.539
is super important. Negative talk. So some athletes

00:30:52.539 --> 00:30:55.880
find it motivational to be speaking phrases in

00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:58.380
their head about how useless they will be if

00:30:58.380 --> 00:31:01.420
they don't hit that lift. And it works. Would

00:31:01.420 --> 00:31:03.539
you try to change it? Would you leave it as it

00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:06.980
is? Gosh, you know, I think, you know, I don't

00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:10.039
like I think self -talk that is guaranteeing

00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.299
an outcome is not is not great. So I think when

00:31:12.299 --> 00:31:15.140
people are using self -talk, that's like, I'm

00:31:15.140 --> 00:31:16.380
going to make this lift. I'm going to make this

00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:19.039
lift. If there's no thought behind it or no feeling

00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:20.980
emotional attachment behind it, that thought

00:31:20.980 --> 00:31:23.019
is just words. Right. So if they don't actually

00:31:23.019 --> 00:31:25.200
believe it, then it's not the affirmation is

00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.420
not helping them. So in that sense, I don't love

00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:29.799
that kind of positive self -talk. I like affirmations

00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.319
that are like, I am capable. I am prepared. I

00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:34.930
am ready. Right. Breathing. breathing confidence,

00:31:35.289 --> 00:31:37.690
exhale doubt, right? So things of that nature,

00:31:37.829 --> 00:31:39.930
things that we could control. In terms of someone

00:31:39.930 --> 00:31:41.910
yelling at themselves or telling themselves,

00:31:42.170 --> 00:31:44.509
you know, you're nothing, like you're, you know,

00:31:44.509 --> 00:31:47.269
I've seen people do that, right? They psych themselves

00:31:47.269 --> 00:31:51.430
up enough to almost like prove themselves wrong,

00:31:51.589 --> 00:31:54.650
right? And for some people, right, it brings

00:31:54.650 --> 00:31:57.349
enough physiological arousal and frustration

00:31:57.349 --> 00:32:00.109
and anger that they're able to go out there and

00:32:00.109 --> 00:32:03.029
make a lift. Now, I don't... In my professional

00:32:03.029 --> 00:32:07.190
opinion, I don't think it's... intelligent to

00:32:07.190 --> 00:32:10.009
rely on that right because what what happens

00:32:10.009 --> 00:32:13.210
when you miss a lift after telling yourself you

00:32:13.210 --> 00:32:15.470
just you're you're gonna be useless if you miss

00:32:15.470 --> 00:32:18.089
this lift now your your whole demeanor has changed

00:32:18.089 --> 00:32:21.250
because okay well now i'm useless right and now

00:32:21.250 --> 00:32:23.930
your your psychological and physiological arousal

00:32:23.930 --> 00:32:26.549
is depleted because you just proved yourself

00:32:26.549 --> 00:32:29.390
right like you know so if you don't make the

00:32:29.390 --> 00:32:31.829
lift after doing something like that then now

00:32:31.829 --> 00:32:33.950
you're going down a really really tough path

00:32:33.950 --> 00:32:36.960
so i really don't think that kind of self -talk

00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:40.519
is helpful. But again, you know, I can't go into

00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.920
somebody in a session with somebody and tell

00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.579
them they're wrong. Right. I mean, I think long

00:32:45.579 --> 00:32:47.859
term, how we talk to ourselves is going to be

00:32:47.859 --> 00:32:50.599
largely dependent of how we see our self -worth.

00:32:50.740 --> 00:32:52.640
And so I think building up an athlete's self

00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.609
-worth is going to. slowly get them to not talk

00:32:55.609 --> 00:32:58.650
to themselves like that naturally but it I it

00:32:58.650 --> 00:33:00.529
is it is interesting though Alex because like

00:33:00.529 --> 00:33:02.970
I have seen that right like and I I have people

00:33:02.970 --> 00:33:05.410
that will will tell me like oh I just call myself

00:33:05.410 --> 00:33:07.789
an idiot and like that I can't then I'm nothing

00:33:07.789 --> 00:33:10.569
and and I get jacked up and I go make the lift

00:33:10.569 --> 00:33:13.369
but like this is such a technical sport and such

00:33:13.369 --> 00:33:16.150
it's not just a raw strength sport and at some

00:33:16.150 --> 00:33:18.130
point you're gonna hit a weight and you're gonna

00:33:18.130 --> 00:33:20.430
hit an adversity in competition where you can't

00:33:20.430 --> 00:33:23.069
rely on anger just to lift something right so

00:33:23.210 --> 00:33:25.910
So your approach is to broaden the toolkit of

00:33:25.910 --> 00:33:28.410
an athlete. So this is not the only thing they

00:33:28.410 --> 00:33:31.609
have. It worked in the past, but you think it

00:33:31.609 --> 00:33:34.250
may be better to have other things to complement.

00:33:34.329 --> 00:33:36.750
Yeah, I think relying on that consistently is

00:33:36.750 --> 00:33:38.789
a dangerous game, right? It's the same thing

00:33:38.789 --> 00:33:41.710
as people relying on being an adrenaline lifter,

00:33:41.829 --> 00:33:43.809
right? Adrenaline is going to come and go and

00:33:43.809 --> 00:33:45.410
it's going to be there for a lot of competition.

00:33:45.569 --> 00:33:48.750
But if you're relying on that, who knows what

00:33:48.750 --> 00:33:50.410
the environment is going to be like? Who knows

00:33:50.410 --> 00:33:51.829
how long you're going to be sitting for your

00:33:51.829 --> 00:33:54.369
attempts? It's just a dangerous game to rely

00:33:54.369 --> 00:33:58.009
on adrenaline to stay focused or to stay intentional.

00:33:58.250 --> 00:34:00.589
So that's when that self -talk comes in. Right,

00:34:00.609 --> 00:34:03.809
and it's a whole thing with dealing with all

00:34:03.809 --> 00:34:07.130
the adrenaline after the competition, the lump

00:34:07.130 --> 00:34:12.190
and the downhill and recovery from that. Yeah,

00:34:12.289 --> 00:34:16.829
absolutely. Okay, one more question is how, as

00:34:16.829 --> 00:34:20.739
a coach... they can support in general mental

00:34:20.739 --> 00:34:23.579
health of a lifter. Are there any things that

00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:26.179
should be taken care of? What would be your advice?

00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:28.780
Yeah, well, so I do want to emphasize one thing

00:34:28.780 --> 00:34:31.119
is that language matters. And this is something

00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.420
I didn't mention earlier. And it goes along with

00:34:34.420 --> 00:34:36.639
the environment piece and language really matters.

00:34:36.699 --> 00:34:39.800
So like not labeling athletes as weak or soft

00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:43.119
or like not believing their injuries, like those

00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.500
things really create an environment that is toxic

00:34:45.500 --> 00:34:48.460
and then also cause. as the athlete to think

00:34:48.460 --> 00:34:50.239
that they're it's almost like gaslighting them

00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.119
and thinking they're they're the problem right

00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.280
so language how what what language you use and

00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.639
how you speak to somebody is going to really

00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.619
either improve the relationship and improve the

00:35:00.619 --> 00:35:03.199
environment or really be a detriment to the environment

00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:07.099
so not using mental disorders as adjectives like

00:35:07.099 --> 00:35:10.380
saying they're ocd they're so ocd or that they're

00:35:10.380 --> 00:35:13.300
you're being bipolar like not saying phrases

00:35:13.300 --> 00:35:17.340
like that right not using language like soft

00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:20.639
or, or you're, you're, you're being too emotional,

00:35:20.820 --> 00:35:23.820
right? Like things like that are just super invalidating

00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:26.820
and, and only create toxicity in the culture

00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:29.360
of environment. So similar to that, I think coaches

00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.000
can one, watch the language they use, how you

00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:34.380
speak to your athletes is going to every, every

00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:37.000
sentence you'd say to an athlete is going to

00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.199
have an impact regardless of you want it to or

00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:41.019
not, right? Because these are a lot of times

00:35:41.019 --> 00:35:44.320
younger minds and, and things that are minds

00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.969
that are still developing. Right. So you're going

00:35:46.969 --> 00:35:49.150
to have an impact regardless if you want to or

00:35:49.150 --> 00:35:52.250
not. And so using specific language and the correct

00:35:52.250 --> 00:35:54.349
language matters. And then also not going out

00:35:54.349 --> 00:35:56.429
of scope of practice, like understanding, listen,

00:35:56.630 --> 00:35:59.170
coaches get super, super close with their athletes.

00:35:59.230 --> 00:36:01.110
I get it. But there's boundaries still. Right.

00:36:01.190 --> 00:36:03.730
And so understand those boundaries and doing

00:36:03.730 --> 00:36:06.389
training on looking for signs of mental health

00:36:06.389 --> 00:36:08.889
concerns. Right. Having that open dialogue and

00:36:08.889 --> 00:36:11.510
building enough trust for them to come to you

00:36:11.510 --> 00:36:14.760
and then listening. more than you speak. I think

00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.579
people fail to do that. And they also don't,

00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:20.460
a lot of people are always listening, just waiting

00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:23.699
to respond and aren't actually hearing what.

00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:26.539
and ingesting what the athlete is saying or in

00:36:26.539 --> 00:36:29.039
just just in general in society today we're always

00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.440
waiting to respond what about just listening

00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.300
and not going into problem solving immediately

00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:36.219
just listening to to hear them and what they're

00:36:36.219 --> 00:36:38.199
going through and validating what they're going

00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:40.500
through so i think that is that's going to build

00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:42.699
that trust for them to open up about mental health

00:36:42.699 --> 00:36:45.400
stuff about life's challenges be honest with

00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.170
you and be more communicative right like and

00:36:48.170 --> 00:36:50.750
be more accountable with their communication.

00:36:51.550 --> 00:36:54.190
On that note, this sport, any professional sport,

00:36:54.510 --> 00:36:58.469
favors persistent and resilient and people who

00:36:58.469 --> 00:37:02.929
push through adversity, but it can go too far.

00:37:03.150 --> 00:37:06.230
How would you navigate that? Yeah, totally. I

00:37:06.230 --> 00:37:08.170
mean, I wrote an article not too long ago about

00:37:08.170 --> 00:37:10.489
the pursuit of excellence and the pursuit of

00:37:10.489 --> 00:37:12.929
perfectionism, right? And so these are two different

00:37:12.929 --> 00:37:15.090
things when you think about it. So perfectionism

00:37:15.090 --> 00:37:18.829
is going to, one, definitely push more burnout.

00:37:18.969 --> 00:37:21.030
Like that's a that's a given. It's going to push

00:37:21.030 --> 00:37:24.349
more burnout. It's going to cause us to be trying

00:37:24.349 --> 00:37:27.570
to always kind of being consumed by it. And so

00:37:27.570 --> 00:37:29.949
when you pursue excellence, you look at mistakes

00:37:29.949 --> 00:37:32.610
as learning opportunities. When you pursue excellence,

00:37:33.010 --> 00:37:36.130
you're looking at progress, not perfection. Right.

00:37:36.230 --> 00:37:38.989
And so. With athletes, I think it's important

00:37:38.989 --> 00:37:42.510
to think about, one, what are good reps and what

00:37:42.510 --> 00:37:45.550
are you just pushing yourself to absolute exhaustion

00:37:45.550 --> 00:37:48.369
and not actually helping reps, right? Like if

00:37:48.369 --> 00:37:51.170
you're, you know, if you're falling into that

00:37:51.170 --> 00:37:53.269
perfectionism trap, a lot of times athletes,

00:37:53.510 --> 00:37:55.929
people will deem it as like, oh, well, he or

00:37:55.929 --> 00:37:58.489
she is just putting extra work in, right? And

00:37:58.489 --> 00:38:02.670
in society today, wearing extra hours as a badge

00:38:02.670 --> 00:38:04.730
of honor is like a real thing in the work world,

00:38:04.829 --> 00:38:07.900
right? Like, oh, I work. So hard. I work so hard.

00:38:07.900 --> 00:38:09.699
Right. But like, OK, that's great. You work so

00:38:09.699 --> 00:38:12.099
hard. But like, why not just work smarter and

00:38:12.099 --> 00:38:14.500
take better care of yourself and be ready better?

00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:16.219
Right. And that's the pursuit of excellence.

00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:19.559
Understanding that line between these are quality

00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.579
reps and quality things I'm pursuing. And this

00:38:22.579 --> 00:38:26.280
is or this is. just tired reps and me just, you

00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:27.920
know, banging my head against the wall kind of

00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.280
thing. The same thing as someone, you know, attempting

00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.139
10 max attempts on a PR, right? Like one, you're

00:38:33.139 --> 00:38:35.179
only getting three attempts for that lift. So

00:38:35.179 --> 00:38:37.579
you might as well stop after three, right? And

00:38:37.579 --> 00:38:39.679
like, yeah, you might get lucky one time out

00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.880
of 10, but is that really reinforcing anything?

00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.320
No. So I think understanding the difference between

00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.619
the excellence and the pursuit of excellence

00:38:47.619 --> 00:38:49.559
and the pursuit of perfection, right? You're

00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.820
going to be pursuing more setbacks as learning

00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:55.840
opportunities. You're going to pursue progress

00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:59.820
and have these process oriented goals over time.

00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:02.119
Right. So I think falling in love with the process

00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:04.219
is going to push you more towards that pursuit

00:39:04.219 --> 00:39:07.719
of mastery and pursuit of excellence, not perfectionism.

00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.980
If you would have to give one to three pieces

00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:13.559
of advice for coaches, Olympic weightlifting

00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.619
coaches on psychological skills they could be

00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:18.800
implementing. The first one I would say that's

00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:25.429
most important to me is. Mindfulness is the ability

00:39:25.429 --> 00:39:29.289
to accept your thoughts as thoughts and not and

00:39:29.289 --> 00:39:32.809
allow them to be there. Give them space, but

00:39:32.809 --> 00:39:35.010
not give them the energy, right? And so, like,

00:39:35.090 --> 00:39:37.690
I always say, like, I give the example of, like,

00:39:37.690 --> 00:39:39.630
tug -of -war. Like, the more you tug on a self

00:39:39.630 --> 00:39:41.250
-defeating thought, the more it's going to tug

00:39:41.250 --> 00:39:43.530
back and pull you away from your values. So,

00:39:43.530 --> 00:39:46.730
as coaches, help your athletes identify their

00:39:46.730 --> 00:39:49.050
values as an athlete, who they want to show up

00:39:49.050 --> 00:39:52.380
as on competition day, in training. regardless

00:39:52.380 --> 00:39:54.820
of the outcome. And those are their values. Those

00:39:54.820 --> 00:39:58.400
are their athlete values, right? And the thoughts

00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.739
that are self -enhancing, they'll pull them towards

00:40:00.739 --> 00:40:03.420
their values. But if they're self -defeating

00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:06.780
and an athlete is pulling on that rope, we need

00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:09.280
to let go of that rope because that rope is pulling

00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.539
us away from our values. So it's accepting the

00:40:11.539 --> 00:40:14.239
thoughts as thoughts. Right. And understanding

00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.300
that it's not reality, but being mindful of them,

00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.420
because that's how we are able to redirect our

00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:22.159
focus. When what's important now. Right. You'll

00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:23.619
hear me say that's my habit all the time. Hey,

00:40:23.659 --> 00:40:25.739
when what's important now. Right. What's important

00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:27.619
in this moment. And that's when in competition,

00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:29.699
that stuff starts to have an effect. Then the

00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:31.989
second one would be self -talk. how we talk to

00:40:31.989 --> 00:40:34.969
ourselves is so important. And I think, you know,

00:40:34.969 --> 00:40:37.170
again, a lot has been said about self -talk to

00:40:37.170 --> 00:40:39.150
just be negative to positive, but we want to

00:40:39.150 --> 00:40:42.670
reframe thoughts to be self -defeating to self

00:40:42.670 --> 00:40:45.050
-enhancing, right? So it's not this negative

00:40:45.050 --> 00:40:47.530
to positive action because we want the self -

00:40:47.980 --> 00:40:50.400
enhancing thought to be something that the athlete

00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.559
actually believes in right and then the third

00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.179
one is mental imagery so people get mental imagery

00:40:55.179 --> 00:40:57.860
and visualization the difference very incorrect

00:40:57.860 --> 00:41:01.519
so mental imagery is using all of your senses

00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:03.900
and that's and that's one that i really think

00:41:03.900 --> 00:41:06.239
coaches should reach out to somebody like me

00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.639
and say like hey how do i start introducing mental

00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.230
imagery right like you know How do I start implementing

00:41:12.230 --> 00:41:14.730
this? Because that is a real skill. But visualization

00:41:14.730 --> 00:41:17.730
is just looking at, you know, through your eyes,

00:41:18.010 --> 00:41:20.530
doing a skill. But like really using all your

00:41:20.530 --> 00:41:23.789
senses, that's mental imagery. We have to have

00:41:23.789 --> 00:41:26.869
another lead for you. Yeah. So two short questions

00:41:26.869 --> 00:41:29.190
to finish. The first one is what is your favorite

00:41:29.190 --> 00:41:31.769
lift? My favorite lift is the jerk. I don't know

00:41:31.769 --> 00:41:34.949
why, but it was the one that kind of came naturally

00:41:34.949 --> 00:41:38.889
to me when I came into weightlifting. I know.

00:41:38.929 --> 00:41:41.369
I know. I know. That's what I've been told. Yeah.

00:41:41.469 --> 00:41:44.170
It just came very naturally to me. I think I

00:41:44.170 --> 00:41:46.230
have a pretty good amount of overhead strains

00:41:46.230 --> 00:41:49.710
in my legs. I think it was just the cues that

00:41:49.710 --> 00:41:51.880
I was given early on. It was just like. you know,

00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.280
short step back, reach with the front and and

00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.800
drive under like it just you could come out of

00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.380
a messy clean and everybody's like, oh, gosh.

00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:02.719
And then you hit the jerk and it's just the most

00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:05.840
euphoric feeling in the world. And so I think

00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:07.599
there's there's something about that that just

00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:10.079
is like, you know, you're almost you know, people

00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:11.940
are almost counting you out like, oh, gosh, that

00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:13.860
was a tough clean. And then you hit that jerk

00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:16.360
and everybody's like, whoa, like and it's just,

00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:18.519
you know, that recovery is really cool. Awesome.

00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.719
And the last question is where people can find.

00:42:20.780 --> 00:42:23.780
Find you if they want to work with you or do

00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:26.519
what you opt to. The website is struggleandastrength

00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:30.599
.com. And then my Instagram handle is S2SFOF.

00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:34.320
And so you can find me on Instagram and my website.

00:42:34.460 --> 00:42:36.360
And I'm also on LinkedIn as well. I know we connected

00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.719
on there. So I try to post content in all different

00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:41.380
areas and try to get more about weightlifting

00:42:41.380 --> 00:42:43.400
specific stuff. You know, I'm thinking about.

00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.039
doing some some ebook resources on mental imagery

00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.199
for weightlifters and that type of thing. So

00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:50.980
definitely going to be more resources coming

00:42:50.980 --> 00:42:53.059
out. Awesome. Thank you, Dom. It was truly a

00:42:53.059 --> 00:42:53.780
pleasure. Thank you.
