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Hey everyone, this is Josh from Encounter Church

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Henley and thanks so much for tuning into our

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podcast. Our prayer is that through this podcast,

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you can have an encounter with Jesus that will

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change your life. And now get ready for an inspiring

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message from our preaching team. Today's Bible

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reading is from John 20, 24 to 29. Now Thomas,

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known as Didymus, one of the twelve, was not

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with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other

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disciples told him, we have seen the Lord. But

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he said to them, unless I see the nail marks

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in his hands and put my finger where the nails

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were and put my hand in his side, I will not

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believe. A week later, his disciples were in

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the house again and Thomas was with them. Though

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the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among

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them and said, Peace be with you. Then he said

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to Thomas, Put your fingers here. See my hands.

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Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Stop

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doubting and believe. Thomas said to him, My

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Lord and my God. Then Jesus told him, Because

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you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed

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are those who have not seen and yet have believed.

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This is the word of the Lord. Awesome. Welcome,

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welcome. I'm Ashley. I'm one of the pastors here.

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And today we had growth track and we had three

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beautiful people finish up. Oh, look at them.

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They're cute. So their faces are going to go

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on the board. Missed out. Um, could someone grab

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more scriptures? Let all distraction fall away.

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Let me just hear your voice clearly, Lord. I'm

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gonna have to turn these photos up the other

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way, because I just had Alex Evans looking at

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me. Now there's a question, and I want you to

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hold on, so I'm gonna ask you a few times throughout

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today, so don't worry if you forget. What conditions

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would have to be true for you to hear something

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and have it change your life forever? Have it

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change your life forever. You know, my childhood

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was in part shaped by my military family. From

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a very early age, I was taught that life runs

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on protocols and schedules. Charlie's not here,

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he knows. And 24 -hour time, definitely. You

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know, there's a chain of command. My dad was

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the top. There was a clear set of goals and there

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was a right way to go about it. You follow the

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steps and you get the result. Maybe it was my

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upbringing, maybe it's just the way my brain

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works. But you know, this mindset kind of followed

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me into my adult life. In my uni study, I spend

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time solving analytical problems and writing

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lines of code. My brain just gets used to looking

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for patterns. When I'm stuck with a calculation,

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I'm studying mathematics by the way, if you didn't

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pick that part up. When I'm stuck solving a calculation

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or my piece of code fails, which is all the time,

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I don't sit down and empathize with my computer.

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I just fix it. I look at the objective numbers

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in front of me, the bad code I've written, and

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I fix it. This causes a bit of tension and grief

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in my own life because I naturally assume that

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humans operate the very same way. You know when

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someone I I know is in care about is making a

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destructive choice or they're wrestling with

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the deep questions of life My immediate instinct

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is to teach them why it's teach them. Yeah teach

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them is to treat them like a math problem. I

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Assume that what they're missing is the right

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information That if I just give them the perfect

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logical answer outline the consequences and provide

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the undeniable facts, they will feel better.

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You know, I take times, I take this approach

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to God myself, you know, Jesus, what book do

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I need to read? Jesus, not Tim. Sometimes the

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one, you know, Tim was Jesus' book. Do I need

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to read? What prayer? What prayer do I need to

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pray? What am I failing to understand that will

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make everything better? What would change everything?

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Do I need to go to yet another conference? Because

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I'll do it. They've normally got really good

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lemon slice. But you need history. But I am constant

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transformation, which is upsetting as I write

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a sermon. But what a relief And she got a little

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too high which is wasn't that high But she got

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a little too high and she looked down and she

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suddenly was in absolute panic And in that moment,

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she didn't need a physics lecture on and the

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statistical probability of her falling here Facts

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do put my hand on her back grab her left leg

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grab her right leg and physically guide her down.

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You know, information is utterly powerless when

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what we really need is an intervention. And so

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that brings us back to that first question. What

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conditions would have to be true for you to hear

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something and have it change your life forever?

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We're in the middle of a series on resurrection

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of Jesus and over the course of this series we've

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talked about historical facts, we've talked about

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the empty tomb, eyewitness accounts, the undeniable

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reality that Jesus rose from the dead physically.

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We have to confront a difficult truth today that

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facts alone do not change us. We're actually

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logical arguments usually only deepen our already

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held beliefs. In the 1970s, I was gonna say the

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70s, but I feel like we nearly had to clarify

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that. The 1970s, the researchers at Stanford

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University surveyed a group of students. 50 %

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of them were pro capital punishment and 50 %

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of them were against capital punishment. And

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they gave them two fabricated studies. with fabricated

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statistics in them, one of them advocating for

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each side. And then they surveyed, so the people

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read the studies and they surveyed the people

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again and no one changed sides, not a single

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person. The students were simply weaponized with

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new facts. barricading themselves deeper and

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deeper into the corners that they already occupied.

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You know, we do this exact same thing with God.

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When life is abundant with blessing, praise be

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to God, we can think it's because we're doing

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or believing the right things. Doesn't it go,

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God is good all the time, all the time God is

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good? But when life breaks our hearts, when the

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diagnosis come back, so our marriage is falling

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apart, or God feels entirely silent despite us

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screaming out for Him, we retreat behind a wall

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of cynicism, you know, we fold our arms and we

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look up to heaven, and we demand evidence. Prove

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it to me. Show it to me. Show me that I am on

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the right path. But here's what we need to understand

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today. Our demand for proof is very rarely an

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intellectual pursuit. More often than not, it's

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just a defense mechanism. Psychologists tell

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us that cynicism and skepticism are not just

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personality traits. They're not just a skeptic.

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but they are profound defense mechanism. Cynicism

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develops as a response to the brains, the psyche's

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way. You know, we hold up our skepticism like

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a shield because our minds are trying to avoid

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emotional overload. You know, it's so important

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to protect our wounds. And tragically, the church

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can be a difficult place to bring this heartache.

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According to recent studies by the Barna Group,

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52 % of adults and teens experience profound

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religious doubt. But when that doubt hits, 45

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% of them simply stop attending church. Only

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18 % of them consider talking to a pastor. The

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rest just leave. Like, why? Why? Well, you know,

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the secular world celebrates skepticism as an

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intellectual virtue. But, you know, in our pews,

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we don't have them, but we can call them that.

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In our chairs, in this, in this chair, doubt

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is often treated like a moral failure. The church

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has historically failed to hold space for doubters.

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You know, if you have questions, you're made

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to feel as though your faith is defective. So

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terrified of being judged, you know, we lock

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the doors to our hearts and we hide behind our

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defense mechanisms. You know, this tension that

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we're left with is agonizing. We desperately

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need God to intervene in our pain. but we're

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too terrified to drop the shield of our intellect

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to let them in. How can God possibly reach us

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when we demand cold facts, but we actually need

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a warm and near Savior? You know, I wonder what

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conditions would have to be true for you to hear

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something and have it change your life forever.

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I wonder what conditions you need to be true

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before you believe. What is stopping you from

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believing? You know, this tension, this collision

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of intellectual defence mechanisms and deep,

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deep heartbreak is played out in the Gospel of

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John that Matt read out. You know, to understand

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Thomas, we have to realise this absolute agony

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that he's in. On the evening of the first Easter

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Sunday, the resurrected Jesus appeared to the

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disciples and they are overjoyed, naturally.

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But Thomas wasn't in the room. He missed out.

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He's got FOMO. Thomas banked his entire life

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on Jesus and he had just watched the man he loved

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be publicly tortured and executed and when the

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other disciples run to him breathless and excited

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saying Jesus is alive Thomas's response is born

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out of out of his grief that he's feeling. John

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20 25 says unless I see the nail marks in his

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hands and put my finger where the nows were put

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my hand into his side. That's what the heading

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in the Bible says. He's devastated. He's putting

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up a shield. He's using this demonism at bay.

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You know, and then Thomas at God is absolutely

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nothing. Celebrate a miracle that he hasn't experienced.

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His heart is weary and he's completely like locked

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into his after some unweight believe harder You

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must try harder to believe But if Thomas just

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needed to try harder To believe the evidence

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The testimony of his ten closest friends Would

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have been enough But facts Do not cast out fear.

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You know, Tyler Stanton captures the heart of

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this. When he asked that question that I've been

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asking, what conditions would have to be true

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for you to hear something and have it change

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your life forever? And he answers it like this.

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You know, it's not evidence. It's encounter.

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The overlap of the subjective and the object,

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no, that's the wrong way around, the overlap

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of objective and subjective information. Information

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I found easy to overlook plenty of times before

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is now colliding with my personal story at just

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the right moment, in just the right way. That's

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what changes us. Church, it's not evidence, it's

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an encounter with the living, breathing Jesus.

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Jesus doesn't wait for Thomas to fix his own

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faith. A week later, Thomas is back in that house.

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Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and

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stood among them and said, peace be with you.

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Then he said to Thomas, put your finger here.

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See my hands, reach out your hand and put it

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in my side. Stop doubting and believe. Thomas

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said to him, my Lord and my God. Jesus doesn't

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send a theological argument. He doesn't scold

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Thomas for his lack of faith. He steps right

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through the locked doors of Thomas' desperate

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and weary soul. There's something incredible

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about the resurrection here. Jesus has a glorified,

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perfected A resurrected body and by all accounts

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a perfect body shouldn't have holes in it. The

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wounds should have been completely healed. But

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why does Jesus keep his scars? Well that's another

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sermon that Tim can preach another day. But you

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know he keeps, he's resurrected with holes in

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his hands in part to provide comfort to a doubter.

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You know, he retained the marks of his pain and

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because he did, because he did, he could speak

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right to Thomas's pain. Jesus provides the objective

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truth. He is undeniably historically alive, eating

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broiled fish, but he overlaps it with subjective

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empathy. The objective reality of the resurrection

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collides with Thomas's highly personal and agonizing

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grief at just the right moment, in just the right

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way. Jesus completely bypasses Thomas's intellectual

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defense mechanism by overwhelming him with radical

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grace. You don't have to choose between your

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intellect and your heart. Jesus redeems both

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through encounter. I'm going to invite the band

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back up. Notice how Thomas responds. He hasn't

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poked the scars nor his head and say, all right,

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the data checks out. I agree. to this reality.

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You know, Thomas falls to his knees and he weeps.

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His heart is completely softened by a savior

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who would intentionally carry his scars out of

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the grave to answer a friend's deepest fears.

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So think about your own life right now. What

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conditions would have to be true for you to hear

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something and have it change your life forever?

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You know, maybe you're sitting here today and

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you're holding up a massive shield. You convince

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yourself that you have sophisticated and analytical

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questions about theology. You've read apologetic

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books. You've listened to the debates. You keep

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your faith strictly in your head. But the truth

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is, is you have deep and unhealed wounds. Your

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doubts look like intellectualism, but beneath

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it you're just terrified of being vulnerable.

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You know, you're using your brain to keep God

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at arm's length. Maybe you're on the other side

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of the room, and you're in your doubts, but you're

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faking it. Maybe you're exhausted from projecting

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certainty, and you come in here every week, every

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other week, you sing the songs, you lift your

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hands at the right moment, and you put on a brave

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face because you think of anyone, especially

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God, You how many different you do not have to

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pretend skepticism And he does not require you

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to fake a certainty you do not possess But you

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must realize that a bulleted list of fat will

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never heal your soul So drop the shield And stop

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pretending that you don't need any Pray a dangerous,

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honest prayer today, Church. Bring the absolute

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mess of your story to Him. Tell Him exactly why

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you are cynical. Tell Him exactly where you feel

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betrayed. And ask Him to let those things collide

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with the objective reality of His grace for you.

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The Gospel tells us that we do not have to clean

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up ourselves to encounter God. God stepped into

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the locked rooms of our mess to encounter us.

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It's so tempting to treat our faith like a logical

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argument, a set of facts. It would be a lot easier

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to print out the perfectly designed flyer, thanks

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Carmen, with all the right doctrines and the

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objective facts and drop it in the letterbox.

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We all can do that now and hope the information

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does the work. You know, one time in my old church,

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we had a Mormon, I think it was Mormon apologetics

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book nailed to the church door. And this is one

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strategy. But like, what if we as a church held

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space for doubters? What if we looked at the

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statistics that people are leaving their faith

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because they don't feel safe asking the hard

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questions. And we decided to change that narrative

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here at Henley. What if we dragged the barbecue

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into the front yard, invited the neighborhood

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over and became a safe haven for other people's

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mess? You know, I think if we did that, then

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we would be a community that doesn't that doesn't

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like flinch. When someone says, I don't believe

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any of this, I've been hurt too badly. You know,

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we wouldn't fight to win the argument. We would

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just pull up a chair, serve them a meal, invite

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them to Alpha, and listen to the pain beneath

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all that doubt. You know, we could hold to the

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undeniable objective truth of the resurrection

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but deliver it with the radical empathy of Jesus.

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You know, if we do that, then we can be a place

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where the lonely, the cynical, the skeptical,

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the doubters, the completely broken, where you

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find a family that holds space for scars because

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we worship a God that still carries His. Friends,

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Jesus wants to do that right now. The resurrection

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isn't just a historical fact from 2 ,000 years

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ago. It is a present reality. He is living. Breathing

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Savior who wants to encounter us today. So why

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don't we stand? You know, some of you walked

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in here this afternoon with the doors of your

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heart firmly deadbolted. You are protecting yourself.

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It has kept you safe for so long, but you are

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holding onto your skepticism. God is the only

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thing that is keeping you from falling apart.

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But the truth of the resurrection is that locked

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doors cannot keep Jesus out. He is standing here

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today offering you his wounded hands. waiting

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for that glorious overlap when His objective

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grace collides with your specific pain. He is

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not asking you to figure it all out. He is not

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asking you to fix your faith. He is simply asking

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you to drop the walls, to reach out your hand

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and let Him encounter you today. and watch it

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change your life forever. Thanks so much for

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tuning into this week's message. If you felt

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challenged or need prayer, we'd love to hear

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ministry, please go to our website encounteradelaide

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.com .au. Thanks again for listening. God bless

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you.
