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Welcome to Networking Unleashed, Building Profitable

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Connections. The show where conversations don't

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stay small, they turn into real business wins.

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I'm Michael Forman and welcome to my podcast.

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Today's episode is for every entrepreneur, leader,

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and fast thinker who's ever felt like their brain

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runs on a different speed and wondered if that

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was a problem. What if it's not? What if ADHD

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isn't a weakness? What if it's your edge? And

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what if the rise of AI and automation isn't here

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to replace connection, but to finally give people

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like you the structure to build once? Today's

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guest brings a powerful mix of perspective and

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practicality. We're talking about ADHD as a different

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operating system, not a limitation. We're talking

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about using AI and automation. to run lean without

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losing the human side of business. And most of

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all, we're talking about how the way you think

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you can turn everyday conversations into serious

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opportunity. If you've ever felt misunderstood

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in business, if you move fast, think big, and

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refuse to fit in the box, this episode is for

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you. So let's get into it. I'd like to welcome

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Andre. Andre, thank you so much for coming on

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my podcast. It means a lot to me. Would you just

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mind introducing yourself to my listeners and

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give us a little bit of how you got here today?

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So one thing before I start, I have to mention,

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I don't know if I can introduce myself better

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than the way that you already introduced everything

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that I do. And I do a lot of podcasts, but it

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was the best way to describe. the stuff that

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we're trying to teach people and show them. So

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I actually want to thank you on the way it was

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described. So my name is Andre. Andre, I live

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in Canada. I moved to Canada around 15 years

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ago. I'm originally from Israel. Kind of background

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from back home. I had many years that from a

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place of discipline, I practiced martial art

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for many years. I served the Israeli army. And

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I'm very proud that I have ADHD. OCPD and I'm

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dyslexic. And as you mentioned, they are my superpowers.

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When I moved to Canada, I started working as

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a locksmith very fast. I opened my own company.

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And from there, we opened a security integration

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that we provide services today all over Canada

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and some areas in the States. I also own a company

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called D8 that is for glazing, commercial glazing

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and aluminum. And I have pretty much the company

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that I'm the most proud of. off right now because

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it's something that is very close to my heart

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that is Metador. And Metador is exactly what

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we're going to talk today. It's about leadership.

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It's about AI, ADHD, and everything in between.

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That sounds wonderful. And we could probably

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have this podcast for three hours, but we don't

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have that kind of time. So I'll try to hone you

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in and get the answers from you. You describe

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ADHD as a different operating system, not a limitation.

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When it comes to networking, what strengths does

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that operating system give people that others

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overlook? So when you're doing networking, you're

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technically meeting strangers all day. You're

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going to do sales, you're meeting strangers.

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I call it my scanner eye. When I go to someone's

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office for the first time, I scan it right away.

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I can see hobbies. I can see family pictures.

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If I don't see, I'm able to categorize the person

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I'm sitting in front of. So I know how to fit

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the dialogue between them in a way to create

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kind of interaction. I'm able to listen to what

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people here are saying to me during conversation

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and already build the second and the third and

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the fourth part of that conversation, what is

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giving me an edge of how people are thinking.

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And with the years, I built a system that is

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even making it easier because I already have

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templates in my head. So it's also able to create

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experience for people when they meet you. So,

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for example, when you meet someone, let's say

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you called a repair guy for your house to fix

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your dishwasher, for example. You have a template

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in your head that you're expecting that person

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to come with a work van or a pickup. cargo pants,

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work clothes related, a binder. If that person

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now is coming with a suit, something does not

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fit here. Now, it's up to him when he's coming

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with a suit to create an experience. If he create

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a positive experience from that transaction,

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he cannot fit in the repair guy box. And that

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way, it's creating a new experience, what is

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creating something that you want to tell to other

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people, what is helping with networking, because...

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What I hear a lot from our customers, we had

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a guy come here to give us an estimate for the

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security guy and he came with a suit and he had

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a bun with a long hair, like everything that

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didn't expand and created an experience from

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everything that also creates friendship. Because

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now he's curious to know, like why he doesn't

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fit to that box. And as a person with ADHD, we

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don't fit in boxes. So we just create our own

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open box. Yeah. And as when you ask questions,

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that brings you to another level of conversation

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and everything else. You have to be inventive.

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You have to ask those questions. And I too have

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a template of sorts. When I'm first sitting down

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with somebody, I use something called F -O -R

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-M. Family, occupation, recreation, and a message.

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And I try to get to them on one of those levels.

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So I just let that person talk because people

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love to talk about themselves. So you just let

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them talk. And you always listen. You don't really

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talk. You listen. The more you listen, the better

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off you're going to be. Okay, I digress. Many

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professionals with ADHD struggle with follow

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-up and consistency. What systems or habits have

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helped you turn fast thinking into real business

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relationships? Okay. Like you said, it's not

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a long podcast for a few hours, so I'll say it

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in short because I have many systems. For example,

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we have our main office for the company, for

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each company. I have my own office that is detached

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from everything, literally a different unit that

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is separate. The reason for it, I cannot hear

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stuff so I can stay focused. All my windows are

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covered, always. I don't see shadows. I usually

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always have my headphones on. I have my own specific

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music that I like that I found that is really

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good for my focus. It's a mix between classical

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music and rave together. It sounds crazy, but

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it's really nice. It's creating tempo when I

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work. And a lot of task list. I have a lot of

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apps. For example, I have no social media. Even

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that I have LinkedIn, but it's managed by one

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of my team. I don't have access to it. I can't.

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I cannot access anything than just use a regular

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phone, to be honest. So there is nothing to distract

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me. My browsers cannot go over 20 tabs because...

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Again, there is the stuff that I need. And I

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built a system that we built under the Zoho platform.

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It took me a few years. We actually got a few

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awards for it. That it's built the same way as,

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in a way, my brain. So if I have a meeting with

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you, automatically it's creating me a task. And

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if I'm not doing the task in the right timeline,

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it's going to bug me. And there is no way to

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stop it but just finishing it. when we have over

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158 automations built in on that system in different

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areas. First of all, in a way to save time, save

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clicks, and in that way to mainstream stuff that

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have to be done in a very specific way. And I

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have an assistant and also operation manager.

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I call them my gatekeepers. Every time if I'm

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slacking or not getting, they keep me accountable.

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And if they have to give me shit, sometimes it's

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on a weekly basis, they will put me in place

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because... I hire them to feed my personality

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in order to help me to excel. That's very good

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because half the problem with being a business

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owner or multiple business owners is accountability.

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You don't want yes men around you saying, oh,

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yeah, it's a great idea. It's a great idea. No,

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you want somebody to give you feedback and say,

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no, you're wrong. You have to do it this way.

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And listen, you as the owner. You take all the

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recommendations, take all the information, and

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you do with it what you think is best. But if

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you don't have those people around you, then

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you have nowhere to go. You don't achieve as

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much as you have by having yes men. Exactly.

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People that work with them directly, their job

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descriptions is to find my mistakes and to point

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them out to me. And they have to be very extremely

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different than me. So in that way, I like the

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data coming from them. They'll show me a different

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point of view. And they're also going to be add

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the stuff that I'm not able to add or to be honest,

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to be able to do it much better. I always like

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to hire people that can do stuff much better

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than me. As ADHD, we're more visionaries. We're

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what is called a wartime CEOs. We're not peacetime

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CEOs. If in peace, we're going to make wars.

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So we're good to come for a specific operation,

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finishing it and go to the next one. We're not

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the one to sustain it. And because we cannot

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sustain it, it's also not good for our staff

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under it to give them stability. So we need people

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that are opposite so staff can stay with us.

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And at the end of the day, our team is what is

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growing the company. It's not a one -person show.

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So we need to have a different type of people.

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It sounds like you have the right people around

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you. I like to think of myself somewhere in the

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middle. I may lean a little one way or the other,

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but I like to think of myself somewhere in the

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middle, but I too. Don't surround myself with

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yes men. I have to accept what they're saying.

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But it sounds like you found the right people

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and that you're headed in the right direction.

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Yeah, I'm super grateful and very lucky that

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I have good people around me. It's my biggest

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success. You teach that focus doesn't come from

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force. It comes from design. How can business

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owners shape their networking style so it fits

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their brain? that already works first thing first

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being honest so you need to honest who you are

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whatever person you are don't try to play a character

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because again it's not sustainable you need to

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be who you are and even that if you some people

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don't think they are enough so they're trying

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to be something else the people that you want

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to know the people you want to network they will

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be able to see it and then it's not good reputation

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for you So I will say, step number one, be you.

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Even if it doesn't fit to a specific group. But

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even a specific group would like to have something

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different because it's honest. People attract

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to honest people because they give a feeling

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of cleanness and honesty that come with that.

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Even if they don't have the same point of interest

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or anything. And secondly, like you said, ask

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questions. So the second you're asking questions.

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Don't hear someone saying something in conversations

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and pretend. And I usually like to say, like,

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when I go to meetings with my lawyer and the

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accountant and they speak keywords I don't know.

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I always tell them, guys, I pay you guys a lot

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of money. Please speak English so I can understand

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what's going on in this meeting as well. But

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the same thing when I go with a customer. If

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a customer mentions a word or someone that I

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meet in a networking event, I don't understand.

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I don't pretend I do. Worst case, if I really...

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I don't want to, I'm afraid to ask. I'll Google

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it right now so I can get into the conversation.

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But be curious. And by even asking the question,

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nobody will think less of you. If you actually,

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this is your input into the conversation. And

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then you understand better. And for sure you

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have something to say because you're there in

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that event anyway. So you are related in a way.

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What you are describing is being authentic. You

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have to be authentic to yourself. And that's

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a word that is thrown around quite easily. Everybody

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and every podcast you could ever imagine on every

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website, oh, be authentic, be real, be authentic,

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be real. And it's not just words. If you don't

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feel it and truly do it, people will see right

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through you, first of all, and give you like

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two minutes of their time and move on. But if

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you want to stay with the conversation, you want

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to be authentic, and you have to listen, and

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you have to ask questions. All of these combined

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together gives you the greatest outcome. Yeah.

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And the one thing I also found from networking

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that was one of my biggest tools, if you give

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before you accept to receive, you're going to

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receive much more. That's called having a servant's

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heart. That's called because you're looking to

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give rather than receive. And that's all part

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of my, I do workshops, I do keynotes, I do all

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breakout sessions. And as I'm discussing what

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you do when you walk up to a table, let's say,

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and you have somebody talking to you, at the

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end of the form and everything else, before you

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even describe what you do, you come out with

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something like, I like you. I like how you do

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business and the way you're doing it. How can

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I make you more successful? How can I be a good

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referral source for you? And if I did my job

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correctly, they'll say, Mike, I don't even know

00:14:33.659 --> 00:14:35.879
what the hell you do yet. And you're already

00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:40.340
trying to make me more successful? Yes. So that

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is having a servant's heart. So you hit the nail

00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:47.960
right. You hit the money. Okay. AI and automation

00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:51.379
are becoming standard tools for lean businesses.

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How can these tools help people who think fast

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and juggle many ideas stay connected instead

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of overwhelmed? So I think when you say, I think

00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:06.720
today, if you've got, you're going to look in

00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:09.720
the dictionary, AI equal overwhelm for a lot

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of people. And it's because that. There is a

00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:17.360
lot of videos going online saying, hey, I built

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a company for AI and I did a million dollars

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in my first month. That is the false advertising

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around it. Secondly, false advertising, AI is

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going to take people's jobs. AI is not going

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to take people's jobs. Someone that know how

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to use AI will take people who don't know how

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to use AI jobs. That for sure. The way that I

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represent, because I work with a lot of companies

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that introduce AI, their organization, and the

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way that I... In the do set, I'm saying, think

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about a carpenter. There is a new type of drill

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that came up, a bigger battery, more circles

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on the engine. It's more resistance and everything.

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You want to go and buy it right away because

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it's better. It's lighter. The battery can last

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for longer. AI is the same thing. It's a tool.

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I could have said it better myself. As you were

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speaking, I was like, those are the words that

00:16:10.269 --> 00:16:13.750
I want to use. Because that's all AI is. AI is

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a tool. And you have several tools that you use

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in business. And AI is just one of the tools.

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And you have to learn how to use it correctly.

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Just like that drill. You don't know how to use

00:16:25.549 --> 00:16:27.389
a drill correctly, you're going to get into a

00:16:27.389 --> 00:16:29.210
lot of trouble. Because you're going to make

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holes in places you never thought of. Once you

00:16:31.929 --> 00:16:35.700
learn how to use it, it's beautiful. So that's

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what it is. AI is a tool. And I can't, go ahead.

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No, I can't improve on what you said. Yeah. AI

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is a tool. And the second you're taking that

00:16:45.220 --> 00:16:47.120
tool, it's a, first of all, it's a connection

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tool. AI, for example, for myself, I'm, if I

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had to send you a text freely without using any

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type of app that kind of help, I won't be able

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to read it myself. If I had to write it, forget

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about it. AI bridging that gap. It's not an issue.

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Absolutely. It's not the niche -winning one.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm in your camp

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when it comes to that, okay? When I'm writing

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down notes, when I'm talking about something

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or somebody or in a meeting or taking a class

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on the web, after a break, I look at my notes.

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I'm going, I can't read my notes. I might as

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well not have taken them because I can't read

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them. All right. Most networking advice assumes

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everyone works the same way. What advice would

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you give someone who feels out of place in traditional

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networking rooms? So I do find, especially when

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I started doing business consultation, I found

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that all businesses, anywhere from a guy that's

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working from the back of his truck to a guy that

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owns a thousand trucks, it's the same problem,

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different skills at the end of the day. And understanding

00:18:03.019 --> 00:18:06.359
that, you now understand that the person is not

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different than you, in a way. It's not that if

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he's running a company that is bigger, you're

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actually the lucky one if you're in a small company.

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You don't have the stress he's having. He's actually

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jealous of you, not you jealous of him. And this

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is what a lot of people don't understand. Every

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step you're taking for growth of business, you're

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taking at least five to six steps back in your

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income, in your peace of mind. And so many different

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stuff that I was telling a technician that worked

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for me over the years. And then when they moved

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to be a contractors, I told them before, when

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you guys finish a job, you went home and sleep

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and you slept well. Now you guys are business

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owners. Welcome to the world of people that don't

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sleep. That's right. That's right. Everybody

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wants to work. I've been working for myself for.

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100 years. And I went corporate. I worked corporate

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for about 15 years. Beforehand, I started off

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in the military. Then I went into my own business.

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Then I went corporate. I went back to my own

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business. And I'm doing this now. And everybody

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always wants to have their own business. I said,

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sure, you want your own business because you

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work half a day. They said, you do? I said, sure,

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12 hours a day is half a day. And they're going,

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wait a minute. I said, no, and that's on a good

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day. And it's a whole lot more that goes to it,

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but that's for another day. You talk about turning

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ADHD into an advantage. Can you share a moment

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when your thinking style directly led to a connection

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or deal that might not have happened otherwise?

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I actually have many of them. The biggest thing

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is when I go meet with customers, I don't prepare

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for meetings. I can't, actually. It's going against

00:20:00.930 --> 00:20:04.230
me if I will prepare because I know the subject

00:20:04.230 --> 00:20:06.230
I'm going to speak about or what we're going

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to do if we're buying a company or selling a

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product, but I won't prepare. I won't do research

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of who is there in the meeting because I don't

00:20:15.069 --> 00:20:17.490
want to create what I call baggage, something

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that will influence me. in the way or create

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excitement or stress in any way and but because

00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:25.960
of the adhd it's giving the tool the second i

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come inside the room and i see everybody in front

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of me and it's giving me an options to i feel

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it's like a machine that's starting collecting

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data on everybody by the way they sit the way

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that they're dressed the way that kind of their

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eyes if they're engaged they're not engaged and

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everything and then i know who i want like sometimes

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i would point at my most of the conversation

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on one person that I know is not a decision maker,

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but I know it's going to annoy the other person

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and it's creating him more attention because

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he's expecting me to be with him. So joy is like

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a game for me. And it's every meeting that I

00:21:01.859 --> 00:21:06.339
go or even podcast that I go, I'm able to, I

00:21:06.339 --> 00:21:09.140
found that if I'm, because of my ADHD, it would

00:21:09.140 --> 00:21:12.240
be hard for me to prepare. And if I'm not preparing,

00:21:12.500 --> 00:21:16.220
I'm able to excel much better because technically

00:21:16.220 --> 00:21:19.630
I'm doing my ADHD. Go loose, run, do it. Give

00:21:19.630 --> 00:21:22.670
me the data that you want. And it's the area

00:21:22.670 --> 00:21:25.809
that you thrive at. Yeah, no, I feel, especially

00:21:25.809 --> 00:21:30.529
on podcasts, that if I try to prepare, that will

00:21:30.529 --> 00:21:33.930
hold me back. I can't allow, because I'm too

00:21:33.930 --> 00:21:36.430
busy trying to remember what I'm trying to remember

00:21:36.430 --> 00:21:40.849
instead of just free falling. And it's just that

00:21:40.849 --> 00:21:43.450
much better. And when you walk into that room,

00:21:43.529 --> 00:21:46.519
that meeting, You're picking up the body language

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of all the people. As you said, how they sit,

00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.539
how they look at you, how they're dressed, how

00:21:52.539 --> 00:21:55.579
they're motioning, their hands, their feet, their

00:21:55.579 --> 00:21:57.920
face. You have to take all that in and you have

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about five seconds to get all that information,

00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:05.700
which you do without a problem. It's something

00:22:05.700 --> 00:22:09.039
that you have to train yourself to do. And then

00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:11.000
you can very quickly move on to the next thing.

00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:14.980
So it's very astute. Okay. There is a saying

00:22:14.980 --> 00:22:18.359
that I learned it very well on myself over the

00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:19.960
years. And actually, I saw it a few days ago.

00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:23.319
And it's saying there is two options. It's or

00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:27.299
I'm going to win or I'm going to learn. So I

00:22:27.299 --> 00:22:30.019
learned a lot, let's say, this way. I tried a

00:22:30.019 --> 00:22:32.400
lot of stuff that people will say it won't work.

00:22:32.900 --> 00:22:35.160
And I was like, but I want to try it. I think

00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:37.339
that maybe I can do something. Some of them I

00:22:37.339 --> 00:22:39.859
succeed. A lot of them I fail. But I learned

00:22:39.859 --> 00:22:43.599
so much from my failures. It's something you

00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.500
have to train and learn a lot. That way, you're

00:22:46.500 --> 00:22:50.819
actually, it's a skill. ADHD is a skill. You

00:22:50.819 --> 00:22:55.680
need to train it, like AI as well. Yeah. I like

00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.900
what you said. I like either you're going to

00:22:57.900 --> 00:23:00.319
win or you're going to learn, right? Because

00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:03.039
you learn so much more from your failures than

00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:05.680
you do of your successes. If somebody's successful,

00:23:06.059 --> 00:23:09.700
always. then they'll never achieve that next

00:23:09.700 --> 00:23:12.799
level. But once they fail, they'll say, oh, you

00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.220
know what? I did that wrong. Let me make this

00:23:15.220 --> 00:23:17.900
better. So you're going to learn from it. I like

00:23:17.900 --> 00:23:21.220
that. I like that a lot. All right. Many people

00:23:21.220 --> 00:23:24.619
fear they come across as scattered or intense.

00:23:25.460 --> 00:23:29.680
How can professionals own their own energy in

00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:32.460
conversations without trying to water it down?

00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:38.259
So how? So pretty much as a person, as I just

00:23:38.259 --> 00:23:39.700
want to understand that I understand the question.

00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:43.579
So the person that has ADHD, how I'm not overwhelming

00:23:43.579 --> 00:23:46.480
the other people in the conversation. Right.

00:23:46.539 --> 00:23:52.440
Because it's very easy to appear as a, that you're

00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:56.539
fearing that they view you as being a scatterbrain,

00:23:56.619 --> 00:24:02.440
right? Or you're too intense. So how can professionals

00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:06.160
own their own energy? in conversations without

00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:10.079
trying to order down their information? So there

00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.880
is two things. One, if you have a few meeting

00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:15.599
customer or networking or so on, it's a one scenario

00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:19.900
that you need more to control because there is

00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:22.539
a percentage of how much. So when I meet with

00:24:22.539 --> 00:24:26.420
someone, we have to keep 70 -30. So 30 % we're

00:24:26.420 --> 00:24:27.880
going to speak about what is the meaning for

00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:30.099
the meeting and 70 % we're going to speak about

00:24:30.099 --> 00:24:31.819
anything else because this is where we're actually

00:24:31.819 --> 00:24:35.839
networking. This is my rule. Now, from that time

00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:38.880
that we're speaking, I have to keep my involvement

00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:42.039
in the conversation under 50%. So I'm allowing

00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:46.059
the person to speak up. This is my rules that

00:24:46.059 --> 00:24:47.779
I'm trying. So it's something I remind myself

00:24:47.779 --> 00:24:51.119
all the time of there is a percentage that have

00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:52.839
to be done. So numbers is something that's helping

00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:55.539
me because this is creating a structure for me.

00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:59.319
If, let's say, with employees, part of our onboarding,

00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:01.700
people who work with me directly, it's my question,

00:25:01.819 --> 00:25:04.759
did you ever work with a person with ADHD? And

00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:06.940
if they say no on the second interview, I ask

00:25:06.940 --> 00:25:10.339
that again. If they still don't know, first of

00:25:10.339 --> 00:25:11.700
all, I know they're not for me because I'm not

00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:15.059
curious enough to check stuff. And then we check.

00:25:15.220 --> 00:25:17.740
And a lot of the team that's working with me,

00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:21.859
they are aware. And they'll tell me, Andre, you're

00:25:21.859 --> 00:25:24.700
getting out of the subject. Let's go back. And

00:25:24.700 --> 00:25:27.380
I'm okay with that because this is also the type

00:25:27.380 --> 00:25:31.710
of people that I put around me to help me. And

00:25:31.710 --> 00:25:34.210
this is the people you said. But even my customers,

00:25:34.670 --> 00:25:36.809
if I have to type something as I do a presentation

00:25:36.809 --> 00:25:39.289
and everything, I start, guys, I'm sorry. I'm

00:25:39.289 --> 00:25:43.210
dyslexic. So I have to speak to the computer.

00:25:43.410 --> 00:25:45.730
It'll be easier so I can get the proper stuff.

00:25:46.190 --> 00:25:49.250
But I also bring it as a joke, not as a, I have

00:25:49.250 --> 00:25:52.160
a disability. This is who I am. When you own

00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:54.640
it, when you own the problem, it's not a problem.

00:25:54.740 --> 00:25:58.440
I apologize. When you own that type, when you

00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:02.380
are ADHD and you own it, yes, I am. And look,

00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:05.700
you accept me for what I can do because I could

00:26:05.700 --> 00:26:09.059
do some great things for you as long as you understand

00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:14.109
that I have this ADHD. And it's when you're sitting

00:26:14.109 --> 00:26:16.069
down with somebody and you said you always talk

00:26:16.069 --> 00:26:19.109
less than 50%, which I found it was hysterical

00:26:19.109 --> 00:26:21.170
because when I first sit down with somebody,

00:26:21.430 --> 00:26:23.869
I let them talk. Like the first 10 minutes of

00:26:23.869 --> 00:26:27.390
our conversation, it's all about them. And it's

00:26:27.390 --> 00:26:32.450
all about them talking. I use FORM and I listen

00:26:32.450 --> 00:26:34.730
to them and I respond to what they're saying.

00:26:35.109 --> 00:26:37.589
And there's another little trick that I've learned.

00:26:37.710 --> 00:26:39.509
And I'm just going to take two seconds to tell

00:26:39.509 --> 00:26:42.619
you. When you walk into somebody's office and

00:26:42.619 --> 00:26:48.460
pictures on the rear credenza facing out their

00:26:48.460 --> 00:26:52.259
family, that means that they are open to talking

00:26:52.259 --> 00:26:55.019
about their family, saying, oh, that's a nice

00:26:55.019 --> 00:26:56.920
picture, that's a nice wife, your daughter, your

00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.259
son, whatever. If they have pictures on the front

00:27:00.259 --> 00:27:04.880
credenza facing him, you stay away. You don't

00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:08.039
talk about that because he doesn't want you to

00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.779
discuss his family. So it's a little thing that

00:27:10.779 --> 00:27:13.119
I picked up. So maybe you can use it in future

00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:15.440
reference. It's actually a good scenario because

00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.680
there is people that you want to give them the

00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.339
percentage of to talk. So they share and they

00:27:22.339 --> 00:27:24.819
don't. This is usually, I have a scenario that

00:27:24.819 --> 00:27:27.420
I'll start being very sharing in way to create

00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:30.680
comfortable. I shared first. So now you can in

00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.619
way to break the ice because some people are

00:27:33.619 --> 00:27:37.940
getting very excited from that interaction. So

00:27:37.940 --> 00:27:39.960
you want to create them again. My goal is to

00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.660
create a good experience from our meeting because

00:27:42.660 --> 00:27:44.660
I need to build a new box in your head, in my

00:27:44.660 --> 00:27:47.579
head. So there is different way and way to do

00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:50.720
it. But again, as you told me about the pictures,

00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:52.960
it's like my head just ran on a lot of meetings

00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:54.819
that I had and who had the pictures with the

00:27:54.819 --> 00:27:58.319
back to me. And again, most likely it's going

00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.339
to bug me now until I'll figure someone that

00:28:00.339 --> 00:28:03.160
was like that, but I don't remember. But the

00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:05.140
next time you walk into an office, you're going

00:28:05.140 --> 00:28:07.240
to see pictures either in the front or the back

00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.970
and you go. That's what Michael says. All right.

00:28:10.009 --> 00:28:14.049
Now I know. You create an experience. You open

00:28:14.049 --> 00:28:20.089
a box. Absolutely correct. Absolutely. With automation

00:28:20.089 --> 00:28:23.630
handling more tasks, human connection matters

00:28:23.630 --> 00:28:27.369
even more. What should people double down on

00:28:27.369 --> 00:28:30.509
in conversations that technology could never

00:28:30.509 --> 00:28:34.109
replace? Technology can understand how to do

00:28:34.109 --> 00:28:38.740
a task, know why we need to do it. So there is

00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:41.440
many whys in a person. There is many whys in

00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:43.099
a business. And again, a lot of people are talking

00:28:43.099 --> 00:28:45.579
about the whys. And a why is something that is

00:28:45.579 --> 00:28:48.559
changed. That when, let's say I speak with our

00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:50.500
sales team and they say, all right, the customer

00:28:50.500 --> 00:28:54.460
want to do X, Y, Z. Why? Because this is what

00:28:54.460 --> 00:28:59.279
he asked. Why? Why does he want to do it? What

00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:00.519
does it matter? But this is what he asked and

00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:01.819
he's willing to pay for it. What does it matter?

00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.880
I said, the why is important because the why

00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.950
equal to the ROI. How we can measure our success,

00:29:08.210 --> 00:29:10.609
providing them the solution that you need, if

00:29:10.609 --> 00:29:12.490
we don't understand why you need it. Because

00:29:12.490 --> 00:29:15.670
maybe the reason he's thinking you need it, it's

00:29:15.670 --> 00:29:17.970
not a good reason. And many customers, I told

00:29:17.970 --> 00:29:19.509
them, hey, it's not the right solution for you

00:29:19.509 --> 00:29:22.349
guys. No, it's not going to help for what you

00:29:22.349 --> 00:29:25.609
want. They're the most loyal people and friends

00:29:25.609 --> 00:29:28.609
that are my friends right now around me, because

00:29:28.609 --> 00:29:32.230
I was honest with them. AI will never take that

00:29:32.230 --> 00:29:34.690
level. You weren't just looking for the dollar.

00:29:35.339 --> 00:29:39.400
You are looking to help your customer. And that's

00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:43.220
such a big difference. AI can give you an answer,

00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.259
but they can't give you the emotional support

00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:49.339
that goes with it. And that's what you're bringing

00:29:49.339 --> 00:29:51.559
to the table. And that's what I believe your

00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:54.579
clients understand. And that's why you're so

00:29:54.579 --> 00:29:57.960
successful. The way that I introduced to other

00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:00.599
people AI, I told them, when someone is, let's

00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.700
say, a receptionist. She has days that she has

00:30:03.700 --> 00:30:06.339
our voice saying, like, it's her birthday. She's

00:30:06.339 --> 00:30:09.140
super happy. And there is days that they're not

00:30:09.140 --> 00:30:10.900
very good. She had an argument with her husband

00:30:10.900 --> 00:30:13.799
or spouse or whatever. So people are going anywhere

00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:17.740
between 50 to 80, up and down. AI provided me

00:30:17.740 --> 00:30:21.980
a steady 70. And I'm not expecting over 70 because

00:30:21.980 --> 00:30:24.940
it's steady. That's what it can give me. The

00:30:24.940 --> 00:30:27.660
rest, this is about us. And this is why AI won't

00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:32.130
take our job. Because AI cannot go over 70. AI

00:30:32.130 --> 00:30:36.829
cannot go over 70. And that is what people need

00:30:36.829 --> 00:30:39.549
to understand, that AI won't grow without us.

00:30:40.390 --> 00:30:43.009
Absolutely. I couldn't agree with you more. I

00:30:43.009 --> 00:30:45.089
couldn't agree with you more. But again, that

00:30:45.089 --> 00:30:48.509
goes back to AI being a tool and you know how

00:30:48.509 --> 00:30:52.369
to use it correctly. Okay. So you work with leaders

00:30:52.369 --> 00:30:56.490
who want to learn, who want lean teams and strong

00:30:56.490 --> 00:31:00.539
relationships. What habits separate the ones

00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:03.319
who build lasting networks from those who just

00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.400
collect contacts? First of all, usually for a

00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.720
lot of businesses that they, let's say they read

00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.259
about the lean process or whatever they come.

00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:14.900
So first of all, a business that want to convert

00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:16.819
themselves to be a lean, it's only two situation.

00:31:17.059 --> 00:31:19.359
Or it's a brand new business that we can start

00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:23.480
over that way. It's a mindset. Or it's a business

00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.819
that the management, it's what I call. The pain

00:31:27.819 --> 00:31:30.619
level is seven and up. Because when people are

00:31:30.619 --> 00:31:32.460
in a high pain level, they're willing to make

00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:36.779
changes. First of all. Also understand that doing

00:31:36.779 --> 00:31:39.700
changes to be lean, it's also making a lot of

00:31:39.700 --> 00:31:42.380
hard decision about the way that you operate.

00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.460
It's again, it's about who is the need to be

00:31:44.460 --> 00:31:46.839
involved in the business. How are we going to

00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:51.619
be operate? Show example on yourself. As a person

00:31:51.619 --> 00:31:54.319
with ADHD, again, Amazon love me. I buy a lot

00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.549
of stuff like it's a... I'm an impulsive buyer.

00:31:58.049 --> 00:32:01.509
When we moved to a lean business, the same thing

00:32:01.509 --> 00:32:03.170
that I was preaching to everybody, and we quote,

00:32:03.230 --> 00:32:07.250
every dollar has a name. It starts with me. So

00:32:07.250 --> 00:32:09.549
the first thing I did when we started implementing

00:32:09.549 --> 00:32:11.769
stuff, I had a driver that would drive me from

00:32:11.769 --> 00:32:14.269
one job to another to see the job so I can work.

00:32:14.630 --> 00:32:18.470
I fired my driver. My driver was a luxury. Even

00:32:18.470 --> 00:32:21.589
though he was helping me with a lot, but it's

00:32:21.589 --> 00:32:24.589
a luxury. So the stuff is starting for me. How

00:32:24.589 --> 00:32:27.130
are you showing it and how we implement it? And

00:32:27.130 --> 00:32:30.029
the secondly is also showing, we're showing a

00:32:30.029 --> 00:32:32.470
lot of dashboard of showing because we work that

00:32:32.470 --> 00:32:35.809
way, look our improvement, look at how we did

00:32:35.809 --> 00:32:38.589
it. So we need to be able to buy in into that

00:32:38.589 --> 00:32:41.829
area and understand it because this business

00:32:41.829 --> 00:32:44.170
that is lean is not, it doesn't be like a triangle.

00:32:44.650 --> 00:32:47.509
It's a one line. Everybody's together. Everybody

00:32:47.509 --> 00:32:50.170
is a part of it. I usually recommend to have

00:32:50.170 --> 00:32:53.940
a profit sharing as well because. you need information

00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:56.799
from every department. Linda did business with

00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:58.720
automation. That means there's a lot of rapidical

00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.380
tasks that's happening in the background to the

00:33:00.380 --> 00:33:03.359
systems. But the conductor that managed that

00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.759
department has to be a strong one. And one that

00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.079
he care about the business as it is on business.

00:33:10.299 --> 00:33:12.720
And when he has profit sharing, technically it

00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:17.400
is on business minus the liability. So it's a...

00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.079
It's all about the team. And a lot of people

00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:21.819
that won, they're just thinking about how they

00:33:21.819 --> 00:33:24.819
can improve the P &L by their profit and loss

00:33:24.819 --> 00:33:27.500
by doing lean. It doesn't work. It's a team effort.

00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:31.559
It's like in the army. Absolutely. I serve as

00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:33.759
a fighter engineer. So we deal with explosive.

00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.920
I cannot do my work if the, again, we don't have

00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.759
Marines in Israel, but similar to the Marine,

00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.000
they will protect the area without the canine

00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.880
unit, without the paramedic. Each one of them

00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.319
won't be there. My skills doesn't work much.

00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:54.299
And it's exactly... I'm behind you 100%. I'm

00:33:54.299 --> 00:33:57.079
behind you 100%. I was a police officer in the

00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.960
Air Force nine years. And I went from being a

00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:03.640
simple patrolman to the law enforcement flight

00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.160
supervisor, which is like a lieutenant on the

00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:11.389
police force. And it takes everybody. to work.

00:34:11.570 --> 00:34:14.590
You can't just have one person do one thing and

00:34:14.590 --> 00:34:17.329
expect everything to come out right. You need

00:34:17.329 --> 00:34:19.869
the work of everybody. And when everybody works

00:34:19.869 --> 00:34:22.409
together, oh, you can do so much more. You can.

00:34:23.110 --> 00:34:26.309
All right. So let's bring this podcast full circle.

00:34:26.949 --> 00:34:30.550
If someone listening feels misunderstood in business

00:34:30.550 --> 00:34:34.530
because of how they think, what's the first mindset

00:34:34.530 --> 00:34:37.889
shift that helps them show up with more confidence

00:34:37.889 --> 00:34:43.679
in every room they enter? Share. There is a saying

00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.159
in Hebrew, say, if you say it loud enough, people

00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.659
will hear. Stop keeping the cards close to your

00:34:48.659 --> 00:34:51.900
chest. Share your ideas. Share the stuff. That

00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:53.400
someone will take your idea doesn't mean he's

00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.599
going to steal it. And you know what? And if

00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:57.380
he's going to steal it, you can actually learn

00:34:57.380 --> 00:34:58.860
from him and to see how he can improve it from

00:34:58.860 --> 00:35:02.079
there more. So to share with people, it will

00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.239
actually bring more people closer to you. And

00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.619
then because they will share with you and it

00:35:06.619 --> 00:35:08.880
will create much stronger. And you'll create,

00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:10.780
you become more interested person that people

00:35:10.780 --> 00:35:13.280
are actually waiting to see you because they

00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:14.539
want to see, okay, what is the next thing he

00:35:14.539 --> 00:35:16.579
was thinking about? What is the new crazy idea

00:35:16.579 --> 00:35:19.340
he came up with? So be, again, if you have unique

00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:23.980
idea, show it, be unique, be yourself. Be authentic.

00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.699
Okay, Andre, this was fantastic. Like I said,

00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:30.980
we could probably talk about things for the next

00:35:30.980 --> 00:35:34.469
two or three hours and not get bored. But if

00:35:34.469 --> 00:35:37.949
somebody wanted to talk to you, hire you, even

00:35:37.949 --> 00:35:40.449
consult with you, what's the best way for them

00:35:40.449 --> 00:35:44.389
to get hold of you? LinkedIn. LinkedIn is the

00:35:44.389 --> 00:35:50.590
best way. Okay. So what a conversation. Today

00:35:50.590 --> 00:35:55.510
wasn't about ADHD. It wasn't just about AI. It

00:35:55.510 --> 00:35:59.150
was about finally owning how you're wired and

00:35:59.150 --> 00:36:02.170
using it. to better build relationships, better

00:36:02.170 --> 00:36:05.570
systems, and better results. If your mind moves

00:36:05.570 --> 00:36:08.530
fast, if this episode gave you permission to

00:36:08.530 --> 00:36:11.829
stop apologizing for it, if you've ever been,

00:36:11.909 --> 00:36:15.269
if you've been unsure how you stay organized

00:36:15.269 --> 00:36:18.409
in a world that never slows down, you now have

00:36:18.409 --> 00:36:21.429
the tools that work with you, not against you.

00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:25.920
And if you're wondering how Real Connection fits

00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.539
into tech -driven business world, you heard it

00:36:29.539 --> 00:36:32.940
loud and clear. People still win business from

00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:36.139
people. So here's your move after today's episode.

00:36:36.420 --> 00:36:40.480
Use the tools. Trust your style. Show up fully

00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.780
in every conversation. Because the right connection

00:36:43.780 --> 00:36:47.219
at the right moment can change everything. If

00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:49.760
this episode hit home, share it with someone

00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.079
who thinks differently, thinks boldly, and deserves

00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.420
to hear this message. I'm Michael Foreman, and

00:36:56.420 --> 00:36:58.940
this is Networking Unleashed, building profitable

00:36:58.940 --> 00:37:01.699
connections. We'll see you on the next episode

00:37:01.699 --> 00:37:04.820
where every conversation has the power to turn

00:37:04.820 --> 00:37:07.940
into something bigger. Andre, thank you so much

00:37:07.940 --> 00:37:10.260
for coming on the podcast. Thank you. It was

00:37:10.260 --> 00:37:19.050
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