Welcome to Networking Unleashed, Building Profitable
Connections. I'm your host, Michael Foreman,
and today's conversation goes far beyond business
cards and job titles. We're talking about how
relationships shape entire lives, how one conversation
can lead to a career shift, how the right people
around you can support longevity, purpose, and
growth. and how networking shows up not just
in business, but in writing, spiritually, and
the way we move through life. Today's guest brings
a rare blend of insight and experience around
connection as a force for positive change. If
you believe, relationships can open doors, steady
you through transitions, and help you live with
intention. I'm sorry, help you live with intention,
this episode is going to resonate deeply. I am
so glad to have you on my podcast today. My guest
today is Calvin Schwartz, and he has his background.
It'll take three people to get his background,
right? But I want to introduce Calvin Schwartz.
Calvin, thank you so much for being on my podcast.
I am such, we talked about it. We've talked about
it a bunch just before. A week ago, what your
mission is, it is just so critical and essential
for modern life going forward. The whole networking
thing. I'm such a believer in your mission. And
it's been part of who I am for a long time. And
it helped me get to where I am with sometimes
subconsciously not even knowing what I'm doing.
But some of these things should come natural.
I grew up in the 60s. Should I just do a little
background here? Give me a little bit about who
you are and why you're here today. Oh, okay.
I'm here today because I am such a believer in
your mission. I sit with this and I look at it
a lot since I got it. Your little manual networking
unleashed. I'm a Rutgers guy. I went to Rutgers.
Pharmacy school back in the 60s. I became a pharmacist.
Didn't want to be a pharmacist. That's another
show. And after 12 years, I quit pharmacy, sat
home, and drifted into sales. And I wound up
working in the eyewear business. And I wound
up working for a company called Exotica Group,
which was then beginning to grow. And of course,
it grew now to become a major global corporation
that's even making sunglasses for Mark Zuckerberg.
Long story there, too. I spent 25 years there.
And what I learned, part of the things I learned
from this man who became the richest Italian
in the world, part of all of that blended in
was this thing called networking as an adjunct
to sales. So I spent 25 wonderful years there.
And then some spirituality overcame me one day.
And boom, I watched Casablanca and I wrote a
novel based on that. Now, 15 years ago at 65,
I'm telling everybody my age, so be it. I can't
hide that stuff. 15 years ago that I, quote,
retired, and now I wrote a novel, I decided to
become a journalist. And here is networking.
So I became a journalist and started meeting
lots and lots of people here in the Jersey Shore.
And before I know it, I networked my way into
a place called NJ Discover. And before I knew
it, I'm doing journalism for them and I have
a cable TV talk show. I'm producing and co -hosting,
bringing in Gilbert Gottfried. All these things
are happening. Why? Because the coals in the
fireplace is networking. I just made that up.
I just made that up. So it was all networking.
So now I'm doing a TV show and then more networking.
I decided to give back to my alma mater because
I'm learning things. I'm learning things. In
the middle of all this, networking. And before
I know it, I'm mentoring 12 students. And before
I know it, I was asked to teach. So with no teaching
experience whatsoever, I'm now, quote, some kind
of a professor at Rutgers. And more networking.
More networking. I'm at the Garden State Film
Festival. Networking, meeting, doing the things,
smiling, shaking hands. All the things you talk
about here, I'm doing. because I didn't read
this then, but some of this becomes natural.
And boom, I meet Dr. Gloria Bachman. She's the
director of the Women's Health Institute at Rutgers
Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. And before
I know it, I'm on the advisory committee of the
Women's Health Institute, not necessarily knowing
much about women's health, but there I am. And
it's all networking. And the last bit of networking,
which is so astounding, and I'd love to go on
Jimmy Fallon and talk about you. And the work
you do is pure networking. That began a year
ago in December from my LinkedIn. Somebody saw
that I'm a writer. I had the right kind of information
up there on LinkedIn. And he suggested I join
this thing called Bold Authors Network. It's
a support group for authors. I was an author
because I wrote this. It got published two years
ago. There's a tortoise in my hair, Journey of
Spirit. I've gotten six awards for this. And
he suggested I join this bold author's network,
which I did. It's run by Kay Wagner, a brilliant
bestselling author and marketer. And when all
the dust settled, she and I collaborated and
we published this together three weeks ago, 10
Things I Learned from the Billionaire. And that,
all of this, long -winded, Michael, is networking.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And Calvin, that's one
of the reasons why I'd love to have you on this
podcast, because you are so passionate about
it, as I am. I spoke about how one conversation
can change everything. Looking back, Was there
a single connection that quietly redirected your
life or career in a way you didn't expect at
the time? Yeah, sure. There were conversations
as I'm in my early time in the eyewear business.
I'm working for a really small company. I'm out
here in the world and I'm meeting people. And
of course, I wanted to move up. the latter. And
there were some great companies out there. So
I knew I had to get my message out. I had to
get who I am out. So you start meeting the right
kind of people. You're doing networking. You're
selling yourself. And I did the right kind of
networking with a couple of people. And that
networking led to somebody at Luxottica Group,
this growing, this is the early 80s, finding
out about me because I networked. And one thing
led to another and the chain of command and that
networking led to me getting a chance to talk
to somebody at Luxottica. And then I get hired.
And of course, my life changed wonderfully by
being there. It's pure networking. It's pure
meeting people and getting your message out there,
shaking hands, smiling, all that stuff. Well,
it's not only networking, but the proper way
to network. Right. So it's not you don't you
didn't just walk up to them and throw up all
of your everything that you did. You don't say,
look, I'm the greatest because I did X, Y, Z.
And pretty, pretty people would pretty much turn
you off. But apparently you went up to them.
You spoke with them. You align with them on a
certain level. And once you made that connection,
then you are remembered in such a way that, oh,
wait a second. Remember Calvin? He was like this.
You know something? We have a spot for him. And
it just rolls and rolls and builds itself up.
Okay, so let's do a little bit of networking
beyond business. Most people think networking
is transactional. How has it shown up for you
as something far more personal and life shaping?
It's every step of my journey, especially these
last 15 years, because I've gone. I've made such
radical changes in a life. 25 years in a selling
career, in sales, and then the networking and
the meeting of people and all the changes that
it facilitated. And thinking back, when I was
conscious enough, again, without knowing necessarily
what I'm really doing. But I'm conscious, and
when I'm meeting people, I'm asking probing questions.
Do you like the Giants? Do you like the Yankees?
And so these become things that I file in my
back pocket. So these are bonding things. You
want to bond. It's more than networking. It's
bonding. It's showing you care. And if you ask
enough questions, you file those up here. And
then when you're in a situation with them again,
then you bring up, oh, by the way, you know,
tell me about your brother -in -law we met. And
so you're bringing in personalizations that increase
the bonding. And you write, of course, before
cell phones and stuff, I had these four by six.
pieces of paper called index cards. And I was
really meticulous about that. Michael and I wrote
everything down. It's a whole, it's a whole,
it's a whole awareness. Every, everything you
do, it's not, it's natural, but everything you
do is for a purpose to just elevate where you
are and, you know, what you're doing and everything
I've done these last 15 years. It's thought.
It's thought. And it's meeting. And it's everything
I say. It's not that it's false. And I'm not
being true to myself. As I'm meeting all these
people in my world, I got really involved in
music here as a journalist. And I'm meeting,
I'm hanging out in Asbury Park three, four nights
a week. It's for a reason. It's networking. You
practice all this stuff. And I had gone to a
comedy festival years ago here as a journalist
and then went to the Wonder Bar afterwards. And
boom, there was a guy I recognized. He was the
son of a major, the son of a major, I don't mention
names, but he was the son of a major rock and
roller. Went over, we talked, boom, networking,
business card. Here's my business card, boom,
a writer. And two weeks later, I get a phone
call. Hey, do you want to write a book about
my dad? Why? I had a business card. It's true.
One thing that I do whenever I have an exchange
of business cards is on the back of the card,
I write down the date, the name of the function,
and something I spoke about. Because that will,
because in two weeks, I'm going to see the business
card. I'm going, what did I talk about with him?
Or when did I talk about it? Or where was I when
I met? But that will give you all the information.
So I use something called FORM, family, occupation,
recreation, and a message. And if I think of
form, every time I go up and speak with somebody,
I'll... deal with somebody on a certain level.
And I'll get to that level a little bit faster
because I'll see what their interest is. And
then I work from there. But yeah, that's very
good. Let's do a little bit about career shifts.
Career changes often come moments of clarity.
How did relationships influence the courage it
took to choose a new path? Listen, relationships
are everything, and I've known that, and here
I am. It's so wonderfully entrenched at Exotica
and loving every second of it. Never in a million
years dreaming I would ever retire. I became
a regional manager. It was a perfect thing. Then
I wrote that book, and suddenly that first novel,
and suddenly you look in the mirror and say,
gee, I'm a writer. And then how do I express
that? And it was difficult. It was difficult,
but I was also really confident in myself, in
my ability to meet people and to talk. And that's
when I decided I'd become a journalist. Who,
what, where, when, and why? How do I become a
journalist? So it's relationships and people.
You start with people and maybe they know somebody.
I want to become a journalist. You start asking
probing questions in your world and the people
whom I knew in the eyewear business because I
didn't know anybody else. That was my whole world.
Hey, buddy, I'm looking. I think I want to become
a journalist. Boom, boom. And you think, and
you go through. Before the internet, before any
of this stuff, you start going through some of
the people who might know somebody. And you know
what? Somebody knew somebody who had a magazine
here in central Jersey. It was a Jersey Shore
magazine. I said, hey, Kevin, why don't you check
this guy out? Checked him out, and boom. I'm
now writing for a magazine. And it didn't put
me into a higher tax bracket, but I'm writing
for a little magazine. And that became a piece
of energy for me, a platform for me to find another
magazine. So I'm writing for two magazines. And
then because I'm now a writer, you need to put
yourself out there in writing groups. I joined
an author's group here in Monmouth County. I
used to meet at the library. And religiously,
I went. Why did I go, Michael? Because I know
I'm going to network, and I'm going to meet.
And that's writing group. I became friends. Her
name's Dolores. She's great. We're still friends.
We just talked the other day. And she said, hey,
Calvin, I know you're writing for the magazine.
There's another magazine that's getting a startup.
You ought to check it out. I just heard about
this. She networking. Michael, it's networking.
So because I'm at this writer's group, she said,
here's the email thing. I saw it the other day.
I thought of you. Why don't you check it out?
Checked it out and got a job. That was my third
writing gig. And that and the woman who hired
me, we became great friends. And she said, Calvin,
you're a good writer. I think you ought to check
out this NJ Discover. It's a production company.
Here's the guy there. Actually, he's doing some
filming next week. Why don't you and I go down
and meet him? And he's a production company.
Why don't we meet him? And I did. And boom, it
was one of the great changes in my life because
now the TV, we eventually produced and co -hosted
a cable TV talk show, bringing in some national
guests. I knew nothing about. What is your channel
about? It's what we're doing now. Bring a guest
and just talk. It was called NJ Discover Live.
We just talked. And like I said, we had Gilbert
Gottfried. We had Frankie Previtt who won an
Academy Award for Dirty Dancing. We had Tim Wright,
who's Locker. The New England Patriots was right
next to, he was right next to, I forgot his name.
He was a great receiver. Tom Brady was on one
side. There was another receiver on the other.
But wow. Talking about New England Patriots.
And this is all. Mike Marino or one of the funniest
comedians in the country. All of this stuff is
networking. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay, so
let's change up a little bit. When you think
about longevity in a career and in life, what
role do meaningful relationships play in staying
relevant, grounded, and fulfilled? Meaningful
relationships. Everything, you know. And actually,
I can take that longevity thing in two different
areas. The whole networking aspect and meeting
people. And it keeps growing and growing. Like
the stuff I'm doing now on my channel, it keeps
growing. And I marvel at that because you have
something. And if you've done the right kind
of things and you position yourself at the right
kind of things. When I started my channel. Who
am I going to interview? How's this? But because
people and you've got people that you had relationships
with, I know somebody you can interview and that
little tiny little seed, it branches off into
a million different branches and it's direct
result of networking. And I also take longevity
to another perspective. Longevity is also living
longer. So you can do all these things. And I've
practiced that kind of stuff since 1969. When
I studied pharmacology, I said to myself, which
is a little out of the thing, but not too much
out. But I said, 1969, see, Calvin, sometimes
I talk to myself. I say, you know, Calvin, I
don't think I really want to age traditionally.
So what can we do not to age traditionally? And
buried underneath all this is knowing the right
people, knowing the right... kind of places to
go to get that right kind of information. That's
all a byproduct of networking. And so extrapolating
my pursuit of longevity as I'm now over 80 years
old, and this thing works better than it ever
did before, longevity. Longevity now in the things
that I'm doing, because you make the right kind
of people, the right kind of connections, it
just keeps growing. And sometimes you have to
invoke that old saying be careful what you ask
for yeah because you might get it that's true
and you have to be careful with that let's change
a little bit to spirituality how does spirituality
influence the way you connect with people especially
in a professional or creative space do we have
three hours to do this no we don't i've been
in i've been gifted with wonderful spirituality
That's why I wrote this. There's a tortoise in
my hair. The last part of it is a journey to
spirit. Spirituality has been such a part of
my life. It's such a gift. And part of that whole
umbrella of spirituality is doing some good deeds
and meeting people and helping. And it governs
me. And it guides me along. I don't know if I'm
explaining myself, but spirituality for me is
everything as I've learned. 15 years ago, all
this stuff entered me. And there are things,
a lot of people think the earth is, I'm not getting
too heavy, but the earth is here, but there's
just so much more out there to absorb. And I've
been gifted. Hey, I wrote the Pope three months
ago, and I'm proud that I did that. I wrote the
Pope. And by the way, networking. Why some of
the pieces of energy of writing the Pope, spirituality,
is I once went to midnight mass my first time
at St. Leo's in Irvington, New Jersey, and he's
Pope Leo. Boom. So that's a piece of energy.
Spirituality, maybe synchronicity. Again, I could
talk about this, and maybe we shared some of
this stuff. last week or whatever. But spirituality
is that there's more to it and there's forces
and energies that can help you and guide you
along if you jump on that little beam of light
that Einstein used to talk about, that beam of
light. So true. Yep. Yeah. So true. Okay. We'll
leave that for now. Sure. Listening is a very
important part of networking. I call it active
listening. But let's say strong connections often
come from listening, not talking. How has deep
listening changed your relationships over time?
Deep listening is everything. It's subliminal.
You listen and you absorb and you take and you
learn about. that person so that when you're
with that person again and you feedback some
of the things that when you listened and you
learned about that person and you're in another
situation and you whip out some of those wonderful
things that person shared with you it it shows
that person you care you're interested and that
in in my opinion is such a bonding because we
live in such a crazy plastic world, and we're
all thinking, oh, nobody really cares, and everybody's
interested in themselves. So when you can whip
out stuff you learned about that person. By the
way, how's your brother -in -law doing? I know
he started a graphics business. How's that going?
Wow. And it's subliminal and also liminal, the
bonding that when you listen and you learn and
you file it here, or you write it down somewhere
about this person, The effect that has in furthering
a relationship and making that person on your
team, that person wants to bend over backwards
to help you because you care. And that's so rare.
It is rare. And there's a mantra in networking,
right? If they know you, if they like you, if
they trust you, then they'll do business with
you. If they know you, look, everybody knows
you. You're on LinkedIn. You have 15 ,000 followers
and all this, right? But like you, now that narrows
the scope just a little bit because everybody
isn't going to like you. But trust, you have
that trust. When you're speaking with somebody,
everybody has a wall up in front of them. And
the more that they trust you, the lower that
wall becomes. And then the higher the trust value
comes. So, once you get to there, once you get
to that wall being down below, and that trust
is up here, then all of a sudden, your conversations,
A, will be memorable, but there'll be a whole
lot more meaning to it. I find that when you
build that trust, Michael, that people want to
bend over backwards to do things for you. Yes.
People are instinctually good. Right. All this
stuff on social media and everything, all about
everything is bad and the world's blowing up.
It's not true. Right. The majority of the people
that you run into, they're good people. And if
you do, when you go to a networking event, you
go in with what's called a servant's heart. You
look to help anybody and everybody that you can.
Don't look for anything in return. Right. You're
going there and you say, look, after you speak
with them and you have a conversation, you say,
you know something, Calvin, I like you. I like
the way you do business and how you do it. How
can I make you more successful? How can I be
a good referral source for you? And by you doing
that, it takes all the pressure off your shoulders
because you don't have to perform. You don't
have to say, oh, my God, this has to be super
intelligent. Otherwise, I'll never listen to
me. You're just there trying to help everybody
else. And if you do that, you'll go so much further.
And it works. It does. Works. Again, sometimes
I don't know what the hell I'm doing because
I also think. My generation is a little bit different.
We just had to scurry around and make things
work. I just said the other day, my gateway to
the world when I grew up, it's almost like a
movie, a Christmas story, which is just priceless.
One channel airs it 24 hours in a row. But that's
the 50s, and it depicts the 50s in Indiana. And
in my world, you had to really rely. You had
to rely on yourself and things, because my gateway
to the world was something called the World Book
Encyclopedia, 15 books. Are you kidding me? 15
books. That was my gateway to the world. So you
really have to rely more on yourself and self
-taught and stuff. And of course, you now, you
take all of that and you mix it in. It's like
a stew. You mix it in with everything going on
now and you have all these different ingredients
that really help you. So I think I've got a couple
of steps up on the kids today. You've been doing
it your whole life. Yes. You've been practicing
this without even knowing you were practicing
it. Correct. But everything is just that basic.
Just give the other person the time. Listen to
them. Actually, don't just come up with the next
thing that you want to say. Listen to what they
are saying and respond to it. It goes so much
further. All right, let me go on. Let's go back
to writing. Writing can be a bridge between people
who have never met. How has your writing created
connections that surprised you? Yeah, that's
a great question. My first novel. That was just
a perfunctory thing. But this, this has opened
up doors. The message here, people have reviewed
it and read it. It's also rekindled some older
relationships. And the message is here as people
get back to me. They enjoyed it. And some of
the reviews I've gotten. The writing, for me,
it's a way to say the things that have been inside
that you want to say and you never had the opportunity
to say. It's been a gateway to a whole new world
of people. And of course, this has opened up
so many different doors for me. I don't necessarily,
it's funny, I just sent him, before we came on,
I just sent a note to a woman who's in this bold
authors network with me. What you begin to realize
when you become an author, it's a rough road.
It's a really rough road. And it really depends
on what you write about. But it's, I can't agree
with, I can't agree with you more. I'm about
to finish my second book. And it's just after,
I mean, my first book, I can probably fill another
45 pages of all the things that I learned since
I finished that book. That's what's making the
second one come out a little bit longer. Okay.
The quality of your circles. As life evolves,
so do our circles. How do you decide which relationships
to nurture as you grow into new seasons? Difficult.
That's really difficult because you get older
and you value relationships. You put relationships
up high, but where and how, that's really hard.
And it's just a natural attraction. where you
feel, as an author, I try to throw myself, listen,
because I'm a little OCD, I've joined, I'm embarrassed
to say this on air, but what the hell, I'm in
800 Facebook groups. And I don't know if anybody
in America is in 800 Facebook groups. It's all
about writing and authors. The algorithm sees
I'm joining groups and it keeps feeding me. But
I can't find a particular group that I'm comfortable
in yet. And I don't think I'll ever be able to.
And when you get older, the relationships become
even more meaningful and your time is spread
out. So you really have to think and really ponder
about a relationship, a person, or a group where,
I don't want to sound mercenary, where you get
your best ROI. You have to because when you're
doing it for business, when you're doing it for
personal, that's different. But doing it for
business, you have to see where your connections
lead you. The connections that don't really lead
you anywhere, yes, keep them because you never
know. But you have to take the ones that will
take you somewhere because that does increase
your ROI. And that's what you're looking for.
Listen, when you're a multi -billionaire, you
can turn around and say, oh, no, okay, I'll go
with this person. Although by that time, you
won't have to, but that's beside the point. Okay,
so let me say, many people chase success early
and meaning later. What did networking teach
you about slowing down and choosing relationships
that actually matter? That's key. Key. You look
in the mirror and you start to assess. And again,
it's not mercenary, but you want, listen, a lot
of time is limited. I got to go to football games,
basketball games. I got to infiltrate that into
my routine. So where I'm setting up shop. and
it is mercenary but then again it's practical
if somebody's receptive to me and i'm receptive
to them and there's you concentrate on that and
you spend what limited time you have developing
and nurturing that most of the time that'll work
out but i think it's a i think it's an art form
Knowing who, what, where, when is this going
to pan out? And it's tremendous nurturing. You
meet somebody and you're beginning a relationship
and it's a tremendous amount of energy and time
that you're putting in and hopefully you get
something out of it. But it's an art form. Where
do you set up shop? And it's also a talent, right?
A talent where you... Once you practice it, because
all of this can get, it's a skill, it's a talent,
and as well as I do, any skill or talent, you
just, you can be born with it, but you have to
practice it. You have to go out and practice
it. And I tell everybody, all of my clients,
and every time I do a workshop or a keynote or
something else, listen, you're not going to know
unless you go out there and try, right? You go
out there and go to a networking meeting per
week. or a networking event a week. And the first
time, the second time, you're going to suck.
It's horrible. But you'll learn from it. The
fourth time, the fifth time, then all of a sudden,
you'll be good, and you begin to enjoy it. Okay,
let's bring this podcast full circle. If someone
listening feels stuck or unseen right now, what
kind of connection should they be seeking first,
and why? They have to look at their inner self,
the things that mean things to them. And as I
fall back on LinkedIn, LinkedIn gives you an
opportunity to pick and choose. And I use LinkedIn
to help grow myself. And so I'm looking, I hope
I'm answering the question, but I'm looking for
people who maybe were pharmacists. I was a pharmacist
and I'm also looking for students who are studying
pharmacy because I think I have things I can
help them with. And so that's how I would. proceed
to look in one particular case on LinkedIn. I'm
looking for people who have been pharmacists,
who were pharmacists, who are going to school
to study that. And I'm reaching out and saying,
hey, I studied pharmacy and you're studying and
if I can help you. Why? Because I'm such a great
believer in the power of networking. So I'm using
my pharmacy background. I'm using the fact that
I'm on the Women's Health Institute. So if I'm
floating around LinkedIn and I see some people
who are women's advocates. I say, hey, I'm on
the advisory committee of the Women's Health
Institute. So I use that as a piece of energy
to reach out and see. I'm such a great believer
in throwing things on a wall, old -fashioned
stuff. Just throw it on a wall. And that's how
I proceed these days. So I'm looking for women's
advocates, and I've done so much advocacy for
five years with the women's health. So I look
at that. I'm an athletic guy, and I got a basketball,
and I'm a booster. So I reach out to Rutgers
boosters and talk about Rutgers. And one thing,
and by the way, part of networking, I put this
hat on 15 years ago. It was an easy, identifiable
thing to tell people. It's like a lighthouse.
hey, I'm a Rutgers guy, and we got 450 ,000 living
alumni. And this is a form of networking. And
it's conscious. So wherever I am, and somebody
sees it, and boom, we start talking. And you
know what, I built relationships from, hey, you're
Rutgers, boom, let's talk, here's my card, call
me. And I've always been conscious, always been
conscious of that. So I want to spend time developing,
throwing things on the wall, and seeing if things
pan out. And again, I've built relationships
from this hat, enduring relationships, including
Dr. Gloria Bachman, who saw my hat and asked
me if I was a Rutgers professor. At the time,
I wasn't. And it's because of this piece of energy
changed my whole life. And now we have this great
friendship. We meet once a month for dinner.
Absolutely. Absolutely. That conversation is
a reminder that networking isn't only about getting
ahead. It's about becoming more grounded, more
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Michael Foreman, keeping building relationships
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we go, Calvin, if somebody wanted to get hold
of you, What's the best way they can get hold
of you? They get me at calvinschwartz .com, my
website for my books. They can find me on Facebook.
I'm Cal Schwartz. I'm all over Facebook. And
they can find me on LinkedIn. I'm Calvin Schwartz.
And the nice thing about it, as best I can tell,
watch this. As best I can tell, and I do my research,
there are only five Calvin Schwartzes in America.
So don't tell me you can't find me. I looked
to see how many Michael Formans. When I was living
in New York, I was going to try to take a website
and this and that. There were 50 Michael Formans
in New York alone. So I said, all right, that's
why I did MichaelAForman .com. Wow. Yep, absolutely.
It's really strange. Okay, Calvin, thank you
so much for coming on my podcast. This was a
great, I think we could have talked for another
hour. Oh, for sure. but we had to limit this,
right? So thanks for coming on. Thank you, Michael.
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