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Welcome to Networking Unleashed, Building Profitable

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Connections, the podcast where we turn relationships

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into real results. I'm your host, Michael Foreman,

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and today we're talking about one of the most

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overlooked aspects of networking, how your relationship

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with money shapes the relationships you build

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with people. My guest is an expert in financial

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planning and the psychology of money. She helps

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people not only create smart financial strategies,

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but also rewire the beliefs that hold them back

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from abundance. Together, we'll explore how mindset

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impacts the way you show up in your network,

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why financial confidence makes you a more magnetic

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connector, and how you invest in your relationships

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with the same clarity as you invest in your wealth.

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If you've ever wondered how money and mindset

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influence your networking success, this conversation

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is going to open your eyes and maybe your opportunities.

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I'd like to welcome to the podcast, Ramsha. We've

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been friends for a while now. We've been going

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to the same networking events, and I'm so thankful

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to have you here to give us some of your wisdom.

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But Ramsha, why don't you give us a little about

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your background and welcome to the podcast. Sure.

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Thank you so much for having me on here, Michael.

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We have known each other for quite some time

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and you've given such a great impression to me

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and everybody else that we've connected with.

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So it's an honor to be on here. But a little

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bit about myself. My name is Ramsha Khan. I stay

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in Atlanta, Georgia, work as a wealth advisor,

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run my own practice with a firm called North

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Star Resource Group. And alongside, I also produce

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music and DJ as a fun little hobby of mine. So

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I like to keep myself sane with my music and

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I like to keep myself insane with my career.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. It actually sounds like

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a good mix, but okay. So let's delve into the

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questions that I've got prepared for you. The

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first one, how does financial planning influence

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the quality and strength of someone's professional

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network? That's a great question. Financial planning

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is a strategy. It's very intentional. And I think

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that goes into networking as well. When we're

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networking with people, we have to go in with

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a goal of being intentional about who we want

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to meet, why we want to meet them and what we

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want to do moving forward with them. And that's

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the same thing when it comes to financial planning.

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It's where are we, where do we want to go and

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how do we get there? And so I would put those

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two things together because. In order for us

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to have a good financial planning strategy, we

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need to be forward thinkers. And I think that

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goes to networking as well. For example, when

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we go to any type of networking event, whether

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that's a local link or the chambers, our goal

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is to connect with like -minded people that we

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like, trust, and want to do business with. And

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in my opinion, that's also what financial planning

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means. That's so true. That's so true. You've

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really come across... You have to be focused

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on what you want to accomplish. Networking is

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exactly the same way as the financial planning.

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You have to have that end goal in sight. So you

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have something to shoot for and something when

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you're aiming for that, you can actually break

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it apart and work your way to the goal. Exactly.

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And one more thing I'd like to add on to that

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is it's a fluid, like financial planning for

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me is a very fluid document, a fluid item and

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a fluid plan, meaning at any point it can change

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because life changes for us at all times, right?

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We can have kids one day and all of a sudden

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now we've got to change our plan or we're moving

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out of the state. We've got to change our plan.

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We want to buy a house. We have to change our

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plan. And that goes to networking as well, because

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sometimes we're not looking to meet the same

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type of people every time. Sometimes we're looking

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for people that we can connect with in one aspect

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of our business, or maybe we can connect within

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a personal aspect. or someone that we can even

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refer to. It doesn't even have to be somebody

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for us. It's somebody that we're referring to

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somebody else. So as much as the financial plan

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changes, so does our strategy for networking

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and growing personal relationships. That's so

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true. You're actually what I call a professional

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connector. and you're putting people together

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and they have a need. And listen, if you get

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something out of it, that's one thing, but that's

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really not your main goal when you connect two

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people together. You put two people together,

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you say, okay, look, you have a need, you have

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a want, a desire, you go together and you walk

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away. And you wind up getting more business that

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way than trying to push what you're selling.

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Yeah, I agree 100%. In your experience, Do people

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with healthy money mindset with a healthy money

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mindset approach networking differently from

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those with a scarcity mindset? That's a great

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question. I would say yes. And the definition

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of money rich, or could you repeat what that

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was? Money. Money mindset, a healthy money mindset.

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Healthy people with healthy money mindset develop

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habits from early on. They're very disciplined

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and focused on. achieving a win -win situation

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because success doesn't come until both parties

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are happy with where they are versus a scarcity

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mindset. That is the type of people that when

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we meet, they're just trying to sell you something.

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You can smell it. You can feel it. You could

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hear it. And there's no win -win situation at

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the end. You just see someone pitching their

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product or services to you rather than someone

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looking to collaborate and build a relationship

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or a partnership. So those who have healthy money

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mindset understand that money is created when

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two parties agree on it together. and both come

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out with successful outcomes. Now, you really

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consider yourself a fiduciary, right? I'm legally

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obligated to work in the best interests of my

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clients. Yes. There you go. So you have to, by

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law. You have to try to get to the best of for

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your client. Exactly. Again, sorry to interrupt,

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Michael, but it always blows my mind when people

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say by law, you have to do the best thing for

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people, because I feel like that should be a

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standard that we shouldn't have to have a lot

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to be doing right by others, especially when

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it comes to their money and taking care of their

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financial future, essentially. So for me, it's

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not my fiduciary is an honor title more than

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it is a job title for myself. Yeah. You know,

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as well as I do, there are plenty of people out

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there waiting to take somebody's money and not

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do anything for it. So there's more people like

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that than yourself. So you have to work twice

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as hard to have that trust value, that trust

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factor. So you know you like you trust you will

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do business with you. And that trust factor becomes

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so important, especially somebody in your field.

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Yeah. What is the biggest financial mistake professionals

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make when investing in their networking efforts?

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Oh, that's a good one. One of the worst financial

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mistakes that they make when it comes to investing

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in their network? Sure. is not taking the opportunity

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to build a face -to -face connection. For example,

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some people would rather save $2 than to go out

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and have coffee for $2. I think the digital world

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has changed business completely. Now we have

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the opportunity to sit like this and we don't

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need to go anywhere. We have the comfort of our

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room. Our water bottle, we don't really need

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to pay for anything. However, there is a big

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disconnect, in my own opinion, when we're sitting

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like this versus when we're meeting face to face.

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The energy is very different. The relationship

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that's being built and developed is very different.

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For example, if we met like this, it would be

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very different versus when we went to our bagel

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shop and sat outside in the heat and talked about

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all of our ventures. That leaves a lasting impression

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for both parties as well as a great memory to

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look back on versus so many times I've sat on

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Zoom with people that I can't, if I'm being honest,

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it doesn't leave a lasting impression on me.

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It's a scheduled 30 minute call versus an open

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schedule when you're meeting somebody. And the

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money investing into a networking really just

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goes into take that time, drive over to meet

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somebody. Sure. You're going to pay a little

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bit of gas money. Sure. You're going to get a

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little coffee. You don't even need to get coffee,

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but it's the effort that matters. And if both

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parties are putting in the effort, it shows the,

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the want to grow and develop a relationship and

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you get to see who's really worth. putting your

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time into, if they're putting their time back

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into you as well. Absolutely. And I really found

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it was like a line in the sand, the pandemic.

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Before the pandemic, people were more, they're

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treating these types of calls as transactional.

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I have three widgets. You have a $2. Okay. You're

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going to buy my widgets and that's going to be

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it. After the pandemic, it's really become more

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relationship. based. And when you go and meet,

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so even if you're talking over zoom, you have

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to realize that's a person behind the camera

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and you have to treat them accordingly. So you

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don't feel, you don't feel a vibe of the person.

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You don't feel a vibe of the room, but you can,

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as long as you can put yourself with that other

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person, then I feel that you can create a relationship,

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not just a customer. Yeah. You're so right about

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that. Yeah. Time is money. I know we all hear

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it. We all see it. Time is money. And if we're

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going to invest anything to anybody, it should

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be our time showing them what's valuable. And

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yeah, I'll leave it at that. Okay. Okay. Sure.

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How can someone budget their time? Speaking of

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time, how can someone budget their time and resources

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for networking the same way that they would for

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a financial plan? book it on your calendar, schedule

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it. When you have something in front of you and

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that you're doing the next day, it's much easier

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to follow a plan that's already created than

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it is to create a plan out of thin air the day

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of. And so that goes to financial planning because

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so many people are like, oh, I can invest today

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and I'll invest a little bit tomorrow. And when

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I have this money, I'll put it away. But that's

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not. a plan put into stone it's it's all up in

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the air when things are all up in the air they

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just float around and so when we have a structured

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plan it really helps us stay focused and intentional

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about the activities that we're doing that goes

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to networking for example i have all of my networking

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events scheduled on my calendars and blocked

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off Every single week when I know it's happening.

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So that way I know where my priority is during

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that time and that my focus is not going to go

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to anything else. I'm going to prioritize going

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to these sessions or meeting these people, not

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focusing on my own business. And then I block

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out time for my own business as well. This is

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very true. It's important to do that time blocking.

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It's actually a thing, time blocking. But I use...

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My phone, my computer calendar, and I have a

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desktop calendar also just to make sure that

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I don't miss anything. But I block out a set

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time during the day for my business. I block

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out and then networking at night and everything

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else. But if I don't block it out, then somebody

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else may get that time and I'll have to either

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excuse myself or whatever the case may be. It

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saves you heartache. So if you can block out

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the time, just as Ramsha says, that you can block

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it out, that will help you tenfold when you're

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trying to do things down the road. Can I ask

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you a question, Michael? Sure. There's been so

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many times people struggle finding where their

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priorities lie. Sometimes their calendar is their...

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their bible they live by it they rule by it but

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some people allow others to dictate their calendar

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and I think that when we start our business it's

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difficult at first prioritizing and do we want

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to focus on other people for example you said

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that there was a time available somebody will

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take it but you have something that you have

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to do where what do you decide you're going to

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go with that person that decided to book it or

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are you going to focus on your own priority so

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how did you start making those decisions clearer

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and more certain stern for yourself What I did

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was I blocked out the time from now till December.

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So the set networking opportunities that I have

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that are every week, I automatically block that

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out so nobody can touch that time. And I fill

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in the time when I'm behind my desk, when other

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people are filling in, so to speak, that time.

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But when you have, when you get up. When you

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get a little bit more, when you get a little

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more opportunity, you can have an assistant and

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that assistant will now have control of your

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calendar. So that's where you're going to say

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to your assistant, you have to make sure that

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you don't allow somebody else to occupy this

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time. So I work very hard at not letting anybody

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sneak an appointment in while. I'm going and

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I'm planning on doing something else. So I have

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plenty of times when off my website or somewhere

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else, I have my calendar link and people can

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make an appointment for a consultation for anything

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like that. So as long as they use the calendar

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invite, it's blocked off because that works directly

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with my calendar on my computer. So it takes

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time. It takes a straight mindset. And if you

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follow it accordingly, then you'll be successful.

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If you're willy nilly and you're just using a

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paper calendar and somebody else is going to

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make an appointment, you're going to get all

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messed up. You have to be structured and organized.

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And that's a very difficult thing to do. Yeah.

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Thanks for sharing that. Okay. So. Have you seen

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networking play a direct role in helping people

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achieve major financial goals? Yeah, you never

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know who you're going to meet when you're networking.

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You never know who needs you and who also you

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need back. I think that because of the digital

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world, it's so easy to go out and build lists

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and go to LinkedIn and connect with a thousand

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people. But you never know someone's true needs

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until you have a conversation with them. And

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so networking allows that conversation to build.

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The first 30 seconds or one minute of you talking

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about your services and listening to the other

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person's services, you get a chance to see. Is

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there something that I can help this person with?

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And is there something that person can help me

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with? And so when it comes to networking, for

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example, I've had people where I've shared a

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presentation and I've talked about, let's just

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say like a 401k, how to make sure your 401k is

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invested properly or what options you have if

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you're leaving a firm with your 401k. And people

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don't realize that until they know what they

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don't know, they don't know what to act on. Don't

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know what you don't know. You don't know what

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you don't know. I say this to the high school

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students and college students that I coach because

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they're not sure about a networking event or

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where they can help. I said, you're networking

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every day of your life in your circle of friends,

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in a department store, in a grocery store. You're

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doing everything. When you're online and you

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hear a conversation behind you, you just don't

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put your earmuffs on and look forward to the

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conversation. If you can add any type of smart

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or anything to their conversation, then add it.

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Turn around and say, oh, hi, excuse me, but you

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were talking about this. I heard you and I do

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this. And then you turn back around. You don't

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have to sit there and wait for a conversation.

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If what you said was interesting enough, tap

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you on the shoulder and say, could you explain

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that a little bit further? And then you're happy.

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Exactly. So many times, Michael, tell me if you've

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seen this too, people wait to be asked, what

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can you do for me? And that's sitting there waiting

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for those types of opportunities is in my opinion,

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I've never really seen a lot of success come

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from that. No, it's true. And I just, I just

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had a very good friend of mine on the podcast

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and he's a realtor down in Florida. And he always

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like when he walked into a, it just told me a

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story when he walked into a store. A person thought

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he worked there and said, can you tell me where

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this is? He said, yeah, come on, I'll show you.

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And by the way, do you own a house or do you

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rent? Are you thinking about buying? How about

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in six months? Here, take my card. And that's

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how it started. But he initiated. the conversation

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and the guy probably never even thought about

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it, but yeah. And he is, that's why he does very

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well where he is, but you have to take the bull

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by the horns. If you wait for everything to come

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to you, you're going to wait a very long time.

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Yeah. I believe in the law of attraction, but

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you got to put out what you want back. We can't

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just sit there. That's true. It's true. Okay.

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How can a person's beliefs about money either

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help or hinder the relationships they build?

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Ooh, wonderful question. I've said this before

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with other people, and I'm a true believer in

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this. Research shows that when we grow up in

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two different patterns, either we... hoard all

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our money because we don't know when the next

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next dollar is going to come from or we spend

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all our money because we don't know when the

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next dollar is going to come from and so those

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two mindsets come from seeing our family situation

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nature nurture the environment that we're really

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raised and born in and how that money mindset

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was developed there and it seeps into our subconscious

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as we grow up and so when we grow up that can

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hinder relationship building because of the same

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one of the questions you asked earlier about

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healthy mindsets versus non -healthy mindsets

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now all of a sudden you're thinking one track

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mind and me rather than we we a little bit of

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french there for you but but that i'm a big believer

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in that because if we don't If we have that mindset

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of spending every money, we're going to give

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out everything and never receive anything back

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nor expect anything back, which is a positive

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or a negative thing. But we're not working for

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charity. We're working, right? We're building

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a business, not doing charity work. Or the other

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is we take from everybody and we don't give back.

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And where is any relationships going to grow

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from there? That's true. But also I factor age

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into it because the older that people get, the

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mind shift, mind changes. let's say a single

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person, then all of a sudden they get married.

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So they don't think about just themselves anymore.

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They're thinking about their spouse. So now all

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of a sudden it goes from a me to a we, we, we,

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and then all of a sudden they have children.

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And then all of a sudden, let's say in my case,

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I thought solely about my wife and children.

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I didn't think about myself. So things change

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100 % by how old you got and your age. And all

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of a sudden you realize, you know what, I'm getting

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older. Do I have my finances in order? And that's

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where you reach out to a financial planner or

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somebody else. Or if you're friendly with somebody,

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you talk to them about it. But it changes with

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age. And that's something you should really think

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about. Because it's different if you're talking

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to a single person in their 20s as opposed to

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a married person in their 30s. Now, I agree.

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I completely agree with you. And that's why I'm

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a big advocate on. Plan early for your future.

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If you plan on getting married, if you plan on

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having kids, at least have some type of draft

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put together so that you're not thinking fresh

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then. Sometimes it's a little too late to start

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planning. Your kids are 15 years old and you

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want to start for college education. Okay, maybe

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we're a little, we can still do it, but maybe

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we're not going to get the same results as if

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we had started when they were three or four years

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old. So it's always, I agree, it's always once

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you get to that point, you have more responsibility.

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And then you start really thinking about financial

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security much more importantly at that time.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. What advice do

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you have for people who feel it's too early in

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their financial journey to network with high

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level professionals? Oh, I think people get scared

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with high network professionals because of either

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titles, PhDs, or how much income that they make.

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But we have to remember everybody's human. Right.

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Outside of our titles and statuses, we are all

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skin and bones and a soul and a heart that are

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all trying to make it in this world. And so there

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should be no reason to be scared because eventually

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you want to put yourself in an environment and

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surround yourself with people that you desire

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to. become or build a lifestyle of and if you

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want to be a wealthy successful person you surround

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yourself with wealthy successful people not be

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intimidated by them there's a saying where you're

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the average of the five people you surround yourself

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with so I make it a habit to put myself in places

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and rooms that where I'm surrounded with people

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who are much more successful than me. And it

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doesn't necessarily mean high net worth. Sometimes

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it's high wisdom too. Some people have a lot

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of an experience that they can share and we can

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learn from. So regardless of whether you build

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a business with them or if there's a relationship

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that develops through that, at the end, it's

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a great learning experience, a great lesson and

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a great place to be to open your mind and grow

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your mindset as well. What do you say to the

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person that they say, it's too early for me to...

00:22:02.509 --> 00:22:05.829
think about my financial future. It's never too

00:22:05.829 --> 00:22:08.549
early. It's never too early. It's never too early.

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When did you start thinking about your financial

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future, Michael? When you were younger, what

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was your take on it? What was your mindset on

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money? I didn't start thinking about it until

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my late 30s. Which is good. Better than never,

00:22:21.329 --> 00:22:24.410
right? Absolutely. And then you had to figure

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out, because I was married with children, I had

00:22:27.069 --> 00:22:31.470
to figure out, okay, do I have that extra couple

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of dollars that I can invest and things like

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that. And I made it a habit that regardless of,

00:22:37.849 --> 00:22:41.710
I made it like a bill, right? I have to pay all

00:22:41.710 --> 00:22:43.809
these bills at the end of the month. That was

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part of it. So that money had to go away. And

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then whatever I was left with was the expense

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that I can throw around and worry about. But

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I learned that, let's say late thirties, that

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I had to really figure it out. And I'm glad I

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did today. Good. And you're doing super successful,

00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:07.500
so I'm happy to hear that too. Are there parallels

00:23:07.500 --> 00:23:12.039
between diversifying investments and diversifying

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a professional network? 100%. Some people are

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structured and have a niche. And I think having

00:23:21.930 --> 00:23:24.210
a niche for your business is important. But at

00:23:24.210 --> 00:23:25.990
the same time, you don't want to limit yourself

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to your opportunities. When business comes knocking

00:23:29.049 --> 00:23:31.430
at your door, you don't say bye and slam it in

00:23:31.430 --> 00:23:34.109
its face. You take what you get. And also, if

00:23:34.109 --> 00:23:35.730
somebody's coming to you, especially in my industry,

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if someone's coming to me. asking for financial

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help, it is a lack of my fiduciary responsibility

00:23:40.630 --> 00:23:43.589
for me to turn them away. In my heart, I'm not

00:23:43.589 --> 00:23:44.869
going to say, you know what, you're not making

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X amount of money or you're not a high net worth

00:23:46.890 --> 00:23:48.650
client. I don't really want to work with you.

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And so I keep my doors open to anybody and everybody.

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However, I also want to focus on mastering the

00:23:54.930 --> 00:23:57.690
insights of a specific industry. So that way

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I can be more knowledgeable in that field. For

00:24:00.230 --> 00:24:01.849
example, with business owners, business owner

00:24:01.849 --> 00:24:04.609
solutions, or for example, practice owners, right?

00:24:04.670 --> 00:24:07.680
How do dentists pay off? Dentists, doctors, they

00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.099
have high student loans. How do we plan a structure

00:24:10.099 --> 00:24:12.980
for that? So becoming an expert in whatever field

00:24:12.980 --> 00:24:14.779
you want to work with, but not limiting yourself

00:24:14.779 --> 00:24:17.240
is a great way to grow. That's the parallels

00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:19.900
for diversifying your investments as well as

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your network. A little advice from my end, from

00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:26.940
the networking end of things, focus on what you

00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:31.920
want to do. So if you want to focus in on not

00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.319
only business owners, because that's too broad.

00:24:34.670 --> 00:24:37.950
If you want to focus in on business owner, medical

00:24:37.950 --> 00:24:42.190
practice, that's okay. But are you going to focus

00:24:42.190 --> 00:24:46.809
in on business owner, medical practice, dentists?

00:24:47.029 --> 00:24:50.109
Okay, now you're laser focusing and you have

00:24:50.109 --> 00:24:53.170
to go or physical therapists and you have to

00:24:53.170 --> 00:24:56.869
go in and really see what's going on in their

00:24:56.869 --> 00:25:00.470
world because there's a lot of costs in with.

00:25:00.859 --> 00:25:03.279
being a doctor, but one of the biggest costs

00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:07.519
is malpractice insurance. Yeah. So you have to

00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.339
figure all this stuff out and say, okay, you

00:25:10.339 --> 00:25:11.980
know what? And then you have the person going

00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:14.859
to the health insurance and people like that.

00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:18.299
And I've worked with people, I've had clients

00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:21.960
that are in those fields. That's why I know what

00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.240
it is, what it takes. So you have to be very

00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:28.200
careful. And another thing I want to add is you

00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.759
never know. where your next opportunity is going

00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:35.019
to lie. It's you have to change your mindset

00:25:35.019 --> 00:25:40.619
to be aware of other opportunities, right? Because

00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:42.299
if your mind is closed off to that, then you

00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:46.359
won't see it. If you and I walk into a room and

00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:49.500
I can come up with whatever I wanted to say,

00:25:49.539 --> 00:25:51.500
but you say, oh, this is great. I walked out

00:25:51.500 --> 00:25:54.200
with three clients. And I said, I didn't walk

00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:57.839
out with any because your mind was open to opportunities

00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:01.700
and my mind was closed. So that's okay. Okay.

00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:07.380
So what role does trust, both financial and personal,

00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:11.299
play in creating long -term profitable connections?

00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.880
Oh man, there's no relationship without trust.

00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:18.539
We talked about this in the beginning. Yeah,

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and also I'm a big believer once trust is broken,

00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:22.599
it's very hard to rebuild that relationship too.

00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.519
So when you have a foundation that you're building

00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:28.119
with somebody and that trust is that structure

00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.960
that you're building that foundation on, you

00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:32.640
want to be very careful with it. You want to

00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.440
be very diligent about it. You got to take care

00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:37.779
of that person in front of you. If you say you're

00:26:37.779 --> 00:26:39.160
going to do something, you got to do it, you

00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:41.380
know, that kind of stuff. If you can't, you got

00:26:41.380 --> 00:26:44.059
to communicate. Trust and communication are big

00:26:44.059 --> 00:26:46.700
when it comes to building lasting relationships

00:26:46.700 --> 00:26:49.730
with people. without trust nope no one likes

00:26:49.730 --> 00:26:52.069
you nobody wants to do business with you right

00:26:52.069 --> 00:26:54.549
you build business with people you like what

00:26:54.549 --> 00:26:58.130
was it like trust no no interest exactly no interest

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right and i i really believe without trust there's

00:27:01.529 --> 00:27:03.509
nothing that can be there's no relationship that

00:27:03.509 --> 00:27:05.109
can be developed especially in a world where

00:27:05.109 --> 00:27:09.710
today trust is so scarce fine scarce may not

00:27:09.710 --> 00:27:12.210
be the right word but it's very hard to be trusted

00:27:12.210 --> 00:27:14.769
it's very hard to trust people easily today everybody

00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.039
This is a crazy world today, Michael. So trust

00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.920
is hard to earn as well as give. It is. And when

00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.200
you go to a networking event, you have, if you

00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:28.460
go in with what's called a servant's heart, you

00:27:28.460 --> 00:27:31.779
want to give and not receive. And if you go in

00:27:31.779 --> 00:27:35.259
with that philosophy, then it takes all the pressure

00:27:35.259 --> 00:27:38.059
off your shoulders. You're not there to try to

00:27:38.059 --> 00:27:40.539
sell them anything or do anything for them. You're

00:27:40.539 --> 00:27:45.109
there for the other person. One line that I've

00:27:45.109 --> 00:27:50.170
always used and was very accepted was at, let's

00:27:50.170 --> 00:27:52.710
say, a networking table or something else. And

00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:55.490
let's say I'm with you and you tell me everything

00:27:55.490 --> 00:27:58.309
that you do and everything else. I say, you know

00:27:58.309 --> 00:28:01.150
something, Ram Shah, I like you. I like what

00:28:01.150 --> 00:28:03.809
you do for a living. I like how you do it. How

00:28:03.809 --> 00:28:07.869
can I make you more successful? How can I be

00:28:07.869 --> 00:28:11.789
a good referral source for you? And if I've done

00:28:11.789 --> 00:28:15.529
my job correctly, you should say, I don't even

00:28:15.529 --> 00:28:18.569
know what you do yet. And that's perfect. So

00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:21.470
if you go in there with that thought, with that

00:28:21.470 --> 00:28:24.509
feeling, then you never, you never can go wrong.

00:28:24.710 --> 00:28:28.109
And you released all that pressure. And for people

00:28:28.109 --> 00:28:31.309
who are building referral based businesses, trust

00:28:31.309 --> 00:28:34.289
is their highest priority because no one's going

00:28:34.289 --> 00:28:36.990
to refer anybody to somebody that they don't

00:28:36.990 --> 00:28:39.500
trust. Right. Because that's their line, their

00:28:39.500 --> 00:28:41.960
credibility and their name and friend that they're

00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.119
putting in front of this person that that's looking

00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:46.759
for business. And trust goes beyond just building

00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.700
a relationship. It goes to many aspects of networking

00:28:49.700 --> 00:28:53.500
growth overall. Trust build what I call social

00:28:53.500 --> 00:28:57.240
capital. Right. It's your social capital. So

00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.559
when people have that much trust in you, then

00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.460
you have a great amount of social capital. If

00:29:03.460 --> 00:29:06.740
you do something wrong. or bad, or something

00:29:06.740 --> 00:29:09.500
to make them not trust you, you really go into

00:29:09.500 --> 00:29:12.339
that social capital. So unless you have an abundance

00:29:12.339 --> 00:29:15.319
of the social capital, if you're just starting

00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.019
out, and you do something where they're not going

00:29:18.019 --> 00:29:22.059
to trust you, then you're below the line. And

00:29:22.059 --> 00:29:23.980
all of a sudden, you're out, and you owe them.

00:29:24.220 --> 00:29:29.609
And as you said, it's much more difficult. to

00:29:29.609 --> 00:29:33.250
get them back after they lost your trust or you

00:29:33.250 --> 00:29:35.589
lost their trust or something else. It's like

00:29:35.589 --> 00:29:37.650
going back to finance. Just one last thing to

00:29:37.650 --> 00:29:40.089
add on this. It's like the concept of deposits

00:29:40.089 --> 00:29:41.950
and withdrawal. Each person is a bank account.

00:29:42.109 --> 00:29:44.589
If we just deposit money, we're building up that

00:29:44.589 --> 00:29:48.109
cash balance and cash value. However, if we keep

00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:49.849
taking from them, if we keep withdrawing, eventually

00:29:49.849 --> 00:29:51.490
at some point we're going to overdraw ourselves

00:29:51.490 --> 00:29:54.190
and that we owe them something. And that's where

00:29:54.190 --> 00:29:57.140
now we're lacking our... We're not building anything

00:29:57.140 --> 00:29:58.839
because we've taken so much out from them. They're

00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:00.420
overdrawn. We're going to get overdraft fees.

00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:02.539
They don't want a relationship with us. The bank's

00:30:02.539 --> 00:30:05.559
going to say bye bye. You know, that's the social

00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.880
capital. Yeah, that is exactly it. The deposits

00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.500
and withdrawals. It's all built around trust,

00:30:11.579 --> 00:30:14.539
that trust factor. But you're building your social

00:30:14.539 --> 00:30:18.579
capital. OK, so let's bring this podcast full

00:30:18.579 --> 00:30:23.839
circle. If you could give one money mindset networking

00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:27.660
tip that would pay the biggest dividends, what

00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:34.960
would it be? To start to review and have a plan.

00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:37.720
That's really it. Most people just don't have

00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.339
a plan. They go in and look at, ask questions

00:30:40.339 --> 00:30:42.680
about investing or what's this stock doing or

00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.079
what's this Bitcoin doing? And I think that it

00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:46.880
really depends on your overall picture. Write

00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:50.269
down where you want to go. And then consult with

00:30:50.269 --> 00:30:52.230
a financial professional on how you want to get

00:30:52.230 --> 00:30:54.750
there. And that way, regardless of whether you're

00:30:54.750 --> 00:30:56.869
going to follow that path, if you want to, you

00:30:56.869 --> 00:30:58.309
have that right in front of you. You have the

00:30:58.309 --> 00:31:00.470
steps that it takes to move forward to that path.

00:31:01.970 --> 00:31:05.599
Okay, Ramshad, that was... Fantastic. You were

00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:09.259
a great guest and you must be a great financial

00:31:09.259 --> 00:31:12.640
planner because you gave me all the answers that

00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:16.480
I ask questions. So I'm thinking that you are

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:20.359
very good at what you do. But if somebody wanted

00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.279
to get hold of you just to ask you a question

00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.559
or bounce something off of you or have a consult

00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:28.740
with you, what's the best way for them to get

00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:31.160
hold of you? So they can reach me on LinkedIn.

00:31:31.220 --> 00:31:34.579
My LinkedIn is ramsha khan dash. If they can

00:31:34.579 --> 00:31:38.599
reach me on my email, ramsha .khan at northstarfinancial

00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:41.279
.com or they can shoot me a text message. Now

00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.940
everybody's texting these days, 470 -870 -1941.

00:31:45.259 --> 00:31:47.700
So if anybody wants to talk, I am happy to just

00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:50.420
have a conversation. I think that even conversations

00:31:50.420 --> 00:31:52.500
just give people mental peace and peace of mind.

00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.000
So, you know, I'm always happy to be that financial

00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.000
therapist as well. That's great. That's great.

00:31:58.059 --> 00:32:01.079
Ramsha, I look forward to talking to you again.

00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:03.160
Thank you, Michael. Thank you for having me on.

00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:14.000
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00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.859
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00:33:15.859 --> 00:33:18.779
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00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.059
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