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Welcome back to Networking Unleashed, Building

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Profitable Connections. I'm your host, Michael

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Foreman, speaker, strategist, and firm believer

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that connections is the currency of leadership.

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Today's episode dives into something every leader,

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entrepreneur, and changemaker is facing right

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now, the evolving challenges of leadership in

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a rapidly shifting workforce. From employee engagement,

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and cultural shifts to remote dynamic and generational

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differences. It's no longer just about managing

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people. It's about meaningful connecting with

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them. My guest today brings deep insight into

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the modern leadership experience and how intentional

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networking can be to unlocking trust, collaboration,

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and long -term impact. If you're leading a team,

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growing a company, or building influence in your

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space, this conversation will challenge and inspire

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you. Ilya, I want to welcome you to the podcast.

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I want to thank you for your time because you

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have such a vast background. Would you mind introducing

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yourself and telling us a little bit about your

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background? Absolutely. I just want to say thank

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you. I'm very honored to be part of this podcast.

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And I'm Ilya Jekyll. I'm the founder of Sharpen

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Leadership. Our mission is very simple but powerful.

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We want to equip business professionals, leaders,

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and entrepreneurs with the skills, the tools,

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and the insights so that they can become great

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leaders regardless of their job title. I have

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over 20 years experience in the pharmaceutical

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and healthcare industry. So my experience is

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in business, leadership, and marketing. I'm also,

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besides being a trainer, I'm also a speaker.

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I like to bring my experience to conferences

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and events, sharing stories that can empower

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the audience. So that's in the nutshell, my background.

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Thank you for that. And let's just dive right

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into the questions. And first question. What

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are the most pressing challenges leaders face

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in today's rapidly changing workplace? There

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are multiple factors that are impacting leaders,

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but I'm just going to focus on three challenges

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that I'm seeing repeatedly with some of my clients.

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And the first one is managing highly talented

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teams, okay? It can be both exciting and challenging,

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but especially when team members' expertise surpasses

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sometimes the leader's, it can certainly create

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some insecurity in the leader and also make it

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more difficult to lead with confidence. Also,

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talented individuals, they tend to have higher

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expectations. They are strong. They have strong

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opinions. And they need somebody that can lead

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them effectively. And leading these kind of teams,

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it requires a balancing act. The leader needs

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to give them guidance, support, but at the same

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time, give them autonomy. The leader in this

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nowadays is mostly like a facilitator where they

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communicate the vision, the expectations, but

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then and the outcomes they want. But then they

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step back and allow the team to take ownership

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of their work and the process. And this is important

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because this type of high talented individuals,

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they. perform better when they are motivated

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and they embrace then collaboration instead of

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competing and they bring their best to the table

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when you give them that autonomy. The second

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I will say is the fear of failure, especially

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in high pressure situations that most leaders

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experience today. But this is fear of failure,

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something that we all going to experience sometime

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in our career is how we respond to that fear

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that will show our true leadership. OK, so fear

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can be very paralyzing and detrimental. for the

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leader, for the team, and the organization. So

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let me give you an example of how it usually

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tends to show up. Let's say there is a leader

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that is leading this multi -million dollar project,

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okay? If the person becomes paralyzed by the

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fear, that leader will start trying to micromanage

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every aspect of their project and their team,

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which instead is going to be detrimental, right?

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And instead of second guessing, he also heard

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decisions and actions. So on the other hand,

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you have the leader that understands that fear

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is a natural part of doing business. And they

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reframe that fear into opportunities to learn,

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to grow, to be resilient. And that's what I will

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tell you about the fear of failure. It's how

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you respond. The third one, I think, is the most

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challenging of all and is navigating uncertainty.

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The best leaders are the ones that will build.

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They understand that ambiguity is part of business

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nowadays. You can never have completely full,

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100 % all the facts, but they build trust and

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they rally their team around their vision. so

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they are not following them because they have

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all the answers but they are following them because

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they believe and they trust that leader and that's

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one of the best ways to navigate the complexity

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in today's business yes very good and you hit

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on so many marks that I speak about between networking

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and leadership and the difference between leadership

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and being a boss. And it just you encompassed

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everything very well. I want to thank you for

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that. Let's change this around a little bit.

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How has the shift to remote work affected leadership

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strategies and team dynamics? Can you repeat

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that question? How has the shift to remote work

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affected leadership strategies and team dynamics?

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How the shift from working in an office to remote

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and how it affected the leadership and the team

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dynamics itself. Oh, yes. It's absolutely, it

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has changed because before everybody was in one

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place. Now the leader is completely different.

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The leader has to understand that they have to

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trust those people or that. They are accountable.

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They have to be accountable for what they do

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in their own space at a home where they are working.

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So it modernized everything like right now what

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we're doing in Zoom. We used to use Zoom for

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certain meetings, but now you can see that Zoom

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is done for everything. We can have chats and

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people in different rooms. And so everything

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is being modernized. I believe that. Just working

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from home, it can have some benefits, but also

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can be detrimental to that team dynamics. Do

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you believe that a team should get together face

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-to -face once a week, once a month, once a quarter,

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something like that? You know, that's hard to

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tell because it depends the team, it depends

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the manager. But I think some face -to -face

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interaction is important to continue to build

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that collaboration and that relationships they

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have. You also know this. When you do an event

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face -to -face with people, it's completely different

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from when you do one through Zoom. The interactions

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are different. So, yes, I think that human touch

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is important. Yeah, exactly. That's what I talk

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about when I go on the road, because you need

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the vibe of the person. You need the vibe of

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the room. You get a whole different feeling than

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when you're just... having a Zoom conference.

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Okay, but what innovative networking approaches

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are leaders using to boost employee engagement

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and retention? Some of the tips that I can tell

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you about networking is most of these leaders,

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they not only do things and dynamics inside the

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workplace, but also in a more relaxed environment,

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okay? But for me, networking is investing in

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the future of your business and your career.

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It really shifts the trajectory of a business

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and a career. And for me, it's very important.

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And when I was leading some of these teams, for

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me, it was very important that we go outside

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of the workplace. That's when you really get

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to know. different people. There are so many

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things that sometimes we don't know from the

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people that we are leading. So golf is wonderful.

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They do a lot of golf. They do a lot of boot

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camps. And inside the work is when you do meetings,

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I think the leaders that are very effective are

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the ones that talk less and listen more. Very

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good. Yes. I believe that as well. How are leaders

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leveraging diverse networks? to create more inclusive

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work environments? That's a hard one to answer.

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I think one of the things to be inclusive, okay,

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to especially when you're making very high profile

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decisions, it's not just about collecting data,

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but if you have a team that is diverse, they

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can bring in. And when I say diverse, I said

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not just of race, but I think experience. And

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everybody have different experience, different

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expertise. And that's what I'm talking about,

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bringing diversity. But when you as a leader

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need to make a decision, you should bring your

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team to brainstorm with you to bring their ideas

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and share their perspective. Because then even

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though they are not making the decision, you're

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giving a better perspective to that leader. And

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those are great leaders when they are able to

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include the diversity in their team. I believe

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that. And I believe it's more effective when

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you're doing it in person rather than through

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Zoom. Because there's no other distractions.

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There's nothing else. You can just concentrate

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on work. But that was a very good answer. Let's

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go to a crisis management question. Can you share

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an example of how effective networking helped

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you navigate a leadership crisis? Wow, that's

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a good one. For example, when you're navigating,

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wanting to keep, let's say, wanting to keep your

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team motivated during a disruption, a big disruption

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could be layoff. It can be a merger, okay? So

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what these... leaders that are very effective

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is that they're very transparent they they meet

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with their team they're very transparent to what

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is happening yes there is a reorganization yes

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there is a layoff but they know they have them

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they are The ones that you can tell right away

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because they believe and they focus on the human

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side of business. They focus on their team, okay?

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And those leaders, they open the channels of

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communication with their team. They are able

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and they are empowered to bring their concerns.

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But at the same time, they redirect them to move

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forward. And to keep them motivated and focused

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on what they can control. Because there are certain

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things that nobody can control, and especially

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in a layoff and in the organization. But these

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kind of leaders, they are wonderful at understanding

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the concern, be transparent with them, and guide

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them. Good, very good. How important is mentorship?

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in developing future leaders and how can networking

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facilitate this? I believe in mentorship. I personally

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have a couple of different mentors that actually

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their help was incredible and how they open opportunities

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was something that I could have never. imagine

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without them. Your mentors are the ones that

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if they are part of the organization or outside,

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they can give you that perspective. They are

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the ones that advocate for you when you are not

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in the room with the decision makers. Also, they

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are a great resource because what I'm seeing

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is a lot of the first -time leaders that sometimes

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they have questions and they don't know exactly

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what to do, but they don't want anybody to know

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because they don't want to look like they don't

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have it together. So mentorship plays an important

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role in that. One thing I've been developing

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is that once or twice a year, and I do this sometimes

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internationally through Zoom, of course, through

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Zoom, but I gather people that are pretty much

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at the same level of experience. And they have

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to sign a contract that whatever is discussed

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in there stays there. So these leaders can bring

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their concerns, their challenges, their different

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situations with people that are in the same,

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have the same amount of experience. And they

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can brainstorm together. And some of them already

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have passed through that kind of situation. They

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can facilitate insight. So it's very, it's amazing

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to see the weight of their shoulder coming off

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and the insight and the tools that they get from

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that. And that when they finish that mentorship,

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they can go back and apply what they have learned

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in their situation. Because these are situations

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that hit home. For them, because it mirrors some

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of the things, situations and challenges that

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they are facing on the job and in their role.

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That's exactly correct. And one thing you have

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to realize is that no matter what part of the

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spectrum you're in, it's like I coach, I have

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people that I coach, I mentor, but I have a mentor

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as well. So it keeps going up the chain. So I

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may have the answers for. my people but i still

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have questions for my mentor so it goes it works

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both ways and it's very much needed because i

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think that people can't get ahead of where they

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are without their mentors absolutely we all don't

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have all the answers and the person that tell

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you they have them all oh because i don't think

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there is one that can tell you they have all

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the answers so yes I have had throughout my career

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different mentors and they have been critical

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for my continue to advance in my career and also

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as a professional. Yes, yes, absolutely, absolutely.

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How is technology changing the way leaders network

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and build relationships within their organizations?

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That's a difficult one to answer, but... For

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example, we need to keep with the times, okay?

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Because if a leader is not keeping with the times

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and understanding, technology is changing so

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fast. Look right now with AI. AI is not just

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for typing and retyping, it's for videos. It

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does everything for you. So there are great benefits

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to that, and there might be some things that...

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you have to be mindful of. I, for myself, try

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to keep with the technology, okay? Especially

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for your teams. If you have teams that are in

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one space, that's a little bit different. But

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when you have teams that have hybrid jobs that

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they were most of the time either at home and

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only a few days out of the thing, you need to

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have the technology to be able to communicate

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the projects. For everybody to, if they are doing

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one project, but everybody has a different part

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of the project, they have to have the technology

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and the system to everybody to be synchronized.

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One great tool that is Asana, it helps, it's

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a system that helps you to connect with your

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team to see where everybody is in their project.

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So it gives you overview. So technology, it can

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be a blessing, but it depends how you use it.

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Absolutely. Very well said, because I truly believe

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that it is a tool in your tool belt. And if you

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use it correctly, it will be magnificent. If

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you don't use it correctly, it's like, why bother

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having it in the first place? But very well said.

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Let's go a little bit to work -life balance.

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How are leaders addressing work -life balance

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issues while maintaining the strong professional

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network? It's like I said, you need to be sensitive

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and you need to be focused on the, for me, I

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always focus on the human side of business because

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to reach any goals, to reach any results, your

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team, your human employee, your employees come

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first. Without them, there is no business. Okay.

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So to me, I, I, I tried when they comes with

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situations, especially My female leaders, they're

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not only leaders, but they also are moms. And

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sometimes the stress of work and at work, that

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combination can be difficult and very challenging.

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So I try to be empathic, use the emotional intelligence

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and be empathic, putting myself in that person's

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situation and try to listen. But that doesn't

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mean that all the time I'm going to agree with

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them. Sometimes there are decisions that are

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hard decisions that you need to make. But I always

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try to be empathic and try to really listen and

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try to do what I can to help that individual

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so that they can actually balance their work

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with their home. I used to be a business owner,

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pizzerias, restaurants, things like that. And

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I know the value of the employees and you have

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to keep them happy because if they're not happy,

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then how can you expect them to make your customers

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happy? But you have to draw that line saying,

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look, I understand what you're going through.

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I can give you this little bit of leeway. But

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you have to understand that I have a business

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to run and this has to be done a certain way.

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So you're right. You have to feel where that

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line is, draw it and just see where it goes.

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But again, that was very good. What metrics do

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you use to measure the impact of leadership initiatives

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on workforce productivity and satisfaction? Let's

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say that I trained a group of leaders in our

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organization or even business professionals,

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right? The first thing is we start with a baseline

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of how they were doing prior to a training and

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getting new skills or even modifying and gaining

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more insight on the ones that they have. After

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that, we work with the organization to see how

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immediately they were able to apply what they

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learned, and if they are able to make a sustainable

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transformation in their jobs, in their role,

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and affecting their department. And they can

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do that by looking at the collaboration, if the

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collaboration and morale increase. They can look

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at performance by seeing how it has increased

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the performance, the innovation also. Because

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one of the main things that most of this organization

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is they are struggling sometimes to innovate.

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How do you get that team motivated to innovate?

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So all these things, once you give them the tool,

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the insight, and a space where they have room

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to experiment, learn, and grow, they're able

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to put all that together in their role. And then

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the organization immediately, you can start immediately

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seeing those results. But more than anything,

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what they want is that. sustainable transformation

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because a lot of places they said we have an

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inside training programs but the problem is they

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haven't seen a sustainable transformation with

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us they do because when you immerse these people

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in situations that they face on the job but sometimes

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their skills is not there yet, and you need to

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equip them, and you give them tools and insight,

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and now they are able to come back and use what

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they have learned, then that's something that

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is going to be sustainable. Because now they

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learn it. So those are some of the things. And

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of course, there are many tests that you can

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give before and after, metrics that you can give

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before and after, and depending on the organization

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and what they want to use. I hope that answer.

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It really does. It really does. And let's just

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bring this full circle. Let's talk a little bit

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about the future. How do you see the role of

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leadership evolving in the next five to 10 years?

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And how will networking play a part in this evolution?

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What I see is the leadership is going to be more

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about becoming shifting and evolving to be facilitators.

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not an influencing, not about the title that

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you have or the authority that you have. Networking

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is huge. Let me give you an example. When I first

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started building my career, I became really intentional.

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And this is what I advise to all my clients.

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Be intentional when you are collaborating in

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initiatives and in projects in your organization.

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And not just with your team, but across departments.

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Because when you're networking and connecting

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with people of different departments, your visibility

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increases. Your access to the leadership and

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the decision to make it is all of a sudden expanded.

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So when a promotion is coming up, when you...

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A new opportunity is rising. Guess what? Those

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that have more visibility and showing their leadership

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are the ones that come top to mind, right? They

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are the ones. And in networking, that is gold.

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Because you're the one that's going to have access

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to opportunities, access to resources, and everybody

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started to see you differently. So networking

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is huge for building a career, as well as launching

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and expanding your business. There was a time

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that I moved from California to Illinois, right?

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So I knew I had great, solid experience and a

00:26:02.099 --> 00:26:05.079
wonderful resume, but I knew it wasn't enough

00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:12.000
for me to move to a new state just by going to

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maybe Lincoln. and sending some requests, right?

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Connecting requests blindly and then expecting

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that that was going to work. It is very daunting

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and it's ineffective. So what I did, I rallied

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the network that I have in California and I have

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very open conversations to them. And I told them,

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hey, I want to move to Illinois and these are

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my aspirations and the two industries that I

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was interested. What happened is I asked also

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one question, and it's who do you know in Illinois

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that I should meet? That conversation opened

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access to doors that I could have never done

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alone. It was incredible. I have warm introductions

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to business professionals in Illinois, and that

00:27:04.940 --> 00:27:10.960
actually turned into direct job offers. That's

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how powerful your network is. That's how powerful

00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.259
it is. That's the name of the game. The networking

00:27:17.259 --> 00:27:21.079
is gold. It's your go -to. It's your everything.

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I believe that networking is the basis of every

00:27:25.420 --> 00:27:30.220
business. Absolutely. Any business that they

00:27:30.220 --> 00:27:32.539
want to, any person that wants to launch a business,

00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:36.460
expand a business, they need to understand that

00:27:36.460 --> 00:27:41.019
it's more than selling. OK, focus on connecting

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and building those relationships with your customer,

00:27:44.980 --> 00:27:48.079
your vendors, your community, because when it's

00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.440
time to buy a service or a product, they only

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do it. People only do it with people they trust

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and who have been connected to. They feel connected.

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If they know you, if they like you and trust

00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.660
you, then they'll do business with you. So that's

00:28:05.660 --> 00:28:09.380
the mantra. of networking. Ilya, I have to tell

00:28:09.380 --> 00:28:12.160
you, this was a great conversation. You're a

00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:16.400
great guest. And if anybody wants to get hold

00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:18.759
of you, whether they want to be coached, ask

00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.319
a question, or see what they can do with their

00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.599
job, how can they reach you? Sure. They can go

00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.779
to my website, Sharpen Leadership, or they can

00:28:28.779 --> 00:28:34.819
go to my LinkedIn profile, Ilya Jacob, J -A -K

00:28:34.819 --> 00:28:39.250
-E -L. And they can connect with me. Very good.

00:28:39.509 --> 00:28:42.130
Outstanding. So thank you so very much for coming

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on the podcast today. Thank you for having me.

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folks. A huge thank you to our special guests

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of course, a big shout out to you, our amazing

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listeners, for tuning in and spending your time

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with us. Remember, networking isn't about being

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perfect. It's about being present. So take what

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you've learned today, get out there, and make

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some meaningful connections. If you enjoyed this

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Spotify, YouTube, or my website, Michael. Remember.

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Until next time, keep practicing, keep connecting,

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and keep building those relationships. This is

00:30:55.509 --> 00:30:58.470
Michael A. Foreman signing off. Take care and

00:30:58.470 --> 00:30:59.470
happy networking.
