Hello, and welcome back to Networking Unleashed,
Building Profitable Connections. Welcome back
to the show, folks. I'm your host, Michael Foreman,
and you're listening to the podcast where networking
is more than just awkward handshakes and bad
coffee. It's an art and a talent. But here's
the twist. It's an art and talent you can actually
learn. Yes, even if you're the person hiding
in the corner at every event pretending to check
emails. Networking isn't just a nice skill to
have. It's a game changer. When you get good
at it, you'll wonder why you didn't start sooner.
More connections, more opportunities, more profits.
It's like unlocking a cheat code for life. So
whether you're the life of the party or the just
let me stay at home and text type, we've got
something for you. So stick around. And let's
turn those awkward small talk moments into big
wins. I have a guest today who is so experienced
in networking that I don't think that our podcast
will have enough time to reign him in. I'd like
to introduce Vince Quinn. And Vince is the co
-founder and creative director of SBX Productions,
where he helps businesses launch and improve
their podcasts. Without me butchering it anymore,
I'm going to introduce Vince and let him tell
you a little bit about his background. Vince,
how are you? I'm great. And hearing your intro
talking about bad coffee and awkward handshakes
and people in the corner and all that, it just
hits me so hard. So I love all of that. I think
it's so spot on of the experience. So great work
by you. But yeah, a little background on me.
So kind of a fascinating journey. I ended up,
I started my career in sports talk radio. I did
sports talk radio for 10 years in Philly. I'm
a Philly kid. Everybody in Philly is an animal
as a sports fan. I think that's well publicized.
I was one of those animals. I was a leader of
the animals in a sense. So I was doing all of
that for a while. saw where the radio industry
was going, decided, let me get into podcasting.
And I've been able to transition all of that
experience of producing and hosting and everything
else in that space and now bring it to businesses.
So yeah, helping them with their processes. So
everything with the production of who's doing
what and what equipment do we need and how is
this getting on socials? And really beyond that,
coming up with the strategy is the most important
thing. And I think people get so caught up in
the production side that they lose sight of what
do you actually want to do? do with this? How
are you maxing out the potential of it? And one
of those big things, and obviously fully related
to what we're talking about here, is guests.
Thinking about the guests that you want to bring
on shows, getting yourself featured on other
shows, thinking about that in a very strategic
way and developing good processes there. There's
so much to get into with all of that stuff. And
that's what's so fun about it for me on a personal
level. As you can tell, I love to talk. So being
a chatty guy, having the opportunity to meet
so many interesting people and help them. connect
in their own way through a show is just so much
fun. That's what I do. That's great. You mentioned
how you transitioned from radio to podcasting.
Give me a little bit more of how you transitioned
helping businesses with their podcasts. Yeah.
So first, it was two leaps. The first leap was
realizing that radio is just a bad future for
me as a guy of this age with the state of the
industry and having to get out of there and making
the transition into podcasting as my full on
professional commitment. And that was a big jump.
I was a nationally syndicated host at 30 years
old. That was huge. And I had people telling
me, don't do it. Don't leave. But I saw where
the future was of podcasting and where it was
going for radio, and I made the jump. So that
was the first step. And then the second step
was really when I first made that leap into podcasting.
We were talking with a lot of entertainment shows.
It was a lot of people who thought, I'm going
to be the next big sports show, and I'm going
to be Joe Rogan and all that kind of stuff, which
did not happen. But working with all those people,
I learned, one, I had to be a business owner
and develop that. mentality of, okay, here's
all the different things that go into making
an effective business for myself. And then being
able to then apply it to the business mindset
and start upgrading my clientele to where I was
working with business owners, established entrepreneurs.
I'm working with some organizations now, larger
organizations. So doing that kind of thing has
been so refreshing because I can relate to them
as a business owner and know what their marketing
issues are and be able to apply all of that stuff
over. So it took me a while to figure everything
out and bring it all together. But now that it's
here, it's one of those things where I look back
and go, oh, this makes all the sense in the world.
Like it's, yeah, of course I'm doing this. It's
perfect. It makes perfect sense. Okay. So how
do you help clients define a clear purpose for
their podcast? Yeah. So the question is, you're
starting a podcast. What do you want to get out
of it? And I think it's got to be a selfish answer,
really. Sometimes people hem and haw of what
the reason is. But if I'm helping you build the
show, you need to be honest about it. When I
was working with entertainment shows, people
had a hard time saying that my goal is that I
want to be famous. And so if you want to be famous,
that's a very specific route that you want to
go and your whole approach and energy and the
kinds of content you produce. That's a very specific
lane from a business side. A lot of the times
people are looking for more sales, right? That's
ultimately what they want to get, or they're
just looking to generate awareness. The process
is good, but people just don't know that they
exist. So they need to get the word out more.
So no problem. Let's do that. But I think a lot
of times. People, it's complicated because podcasting
is an industry that does not have good precedent
for a business owner. Like the common blueprint
is not an easy thing to follow because what we
all know is entertainment shows, right? But so
you don't think about these business podcasts
that might have only 500 downloads, but you know
what? They're killing it because the people that
listen are buyers and you are getting constant
sales from that audience, repeat sales, whatever,
like you're building super fans. So there's a
lot of value in that, but people don't. No. So
initially when they come in, it's complicated
because the intent is to some degree like sales.
What I typically hear up front is I want to make
more money and I'm doing the podcast because
I want to monetize the podcast. But monetizing
a lot of times to people means sponsorships.
But nobody sponsoring your business podcast odds
are unless you have good connections and things
like when you're just getting started. It's your
marketing for your business. So sponsor yourself.
and figure out what that strategy is to amplify
the services, the products that you have, and
connect those things and constantly talk about
subject matter in that space. So that's really
the biggest thing that I'm doing in terms of
purpose is finding out what that actual deep
down business goal is, and then making sure everything
we do around the show is aligned in a way that's
helping them actually commit to that goal. That's
number one for me. That's great. Because really,
when somebody gets into podcasts, from what I
found, it's one of two reasons. One, just because
they enjoy it. They enjoy talking to people.
But the other one is monetizing it. And they're
looking as an extra stream of money coming in.
And you really hit monetizing on the head. Okay.
But do you have... Give me just one, two, or
three effective ways that a podcaster, one who
is really not just starting out, but has been
around for a while, what is an effective way
for him to monetize? Yeah, so the biggest thing
is I treat it two different ways. One of them
is if you're getting potential clients that make
sense for you, being able to source those people,
build relationships, and not necessarily directly
sell, but build a good relationship. establish
yourself as a professional and get into their
networks, right? That's the value of it. If you're
able to flip somebody that you talk to during
the conversation into a client, all the better.
But for me, for example, like I started my own
show for the business, total proof of concept
of everything that we do. And it's very matter
of fact, right? I'm a business owner that makes
a podcast about business owners who have podcasts.
So my guests are business owners who have podcasts.
I invite them onto the show and we talk about
it. Hey, you started the business. Why did you
start the podcast? How do those things tie together
for you? So for me, I'm talking with all these
kinds of entrepreneurs that I want to speak with.
There are people that I'm building good relationships
with. Sometimes I end those conversations and
they say, I'm actually looking for help. And
that's a great win for me. And other times I'm
just following up, making a good connection on
LinkedIn, trying to stay in touch and hope that
down the line, it leads to a good referral because
I'm an actually engaged person in their network.
So from a relationship building standpoint, if
you want to get those clients and get in front
of people like that's one way to do it, invite
those people onto the show or use your show as
a means to go out and get on other shows. And
then beyond that, the other strategy is strategic
partners and highlighting what you do and who
does it for you, especially if you're a business
that has multiple employees. One of the things
that you can do is get certain people like I'm
working with a real estate. agency. And if you've
got an agent that, okay, they're in the industrial
space within your firm, great, bring them on,
talk about what they're seeing in the market,
showcase what they do, get your mortgage brokers
that you work with, get them to come on and how
you have these relationships and like having
the ability to make all these other people look
good, generate content that features them, cross
promote on your accounts. All of those things
are good for everybody because if you're doing
business, they're doing business. If they're
doing business, you're doing business. And so
how can you strengthen those relationships and
really accentuate everybody and your network
and your value for the customer? So those are
like two easier things that people can accomplish
based on what they've got. And usually when I'm
working with a show, that's what I'll encourage
them to do. One of those two things. Wow, that's
great. Everything. It sounds so in line with
what I talk about. but you are specifically for
the podcast. And it's great hearing another way
to think about the networking. I believe in the
one -on -one or networking events because I go
to a thousand of them, just like you. But this
takes it from a whole different concept. How
do you assist clients in crafting a compelling
podcast message? So it's a lot of conversation.
I think the interesting thing is people don't
realize how sharp and unique and pointed their
opinions can be because they just haven't had
to present it in that format. But in the world
that we live in, and this is the thing that I
learned just doing radio for 10 years, because
sports talk radio is you're going to have this
sharp. question or this sharp opinion and it's
this one or two sentence thing that you can say
that gets everybody's attention they understand
exactly what you're talking about and then you
can go and discuss it and by forcing people to
answer these questions of okay why do you think
this and exploring deeper you tend to uncover
these opinions that you've always operated on
and but you haven't fully expressed and by being
able to dig to those certain levels of things
it it showcases the personality it makes the
episode stand out it's a it's all about depth
versus breadth, if you will. Like it's how specific
and deep can you go with your expertise? And
the more you can do that and start there at the
beginning of your conversations, the more you're
going to blow people away and separate yourself.
So for me, for example, I talk about different
things with production processes, or I did an
episode that's going to be out soon about guest
booking and what I've seen with different guest
booking agencies. And for me to spend a only
eight minute episode or something, it's not very
long, but to spend eight 10 minutes going, Hey,
I see all these issues with the guest booking
industry. If you're doing it, here's the things
that you need to be worried about. And here's
some specific things that I'm doing to counter
all of this. There's really not episodes about
that. Like people aren't making that kind of
content, but I've got that experience. It's relevant
to my wheelhouse. It's relevant to my audience.
And knowing that opinion allows me to differentiate
myself. Those are the kinds of things that I
have this natural sense of, aha, you've hit on
like this good thing that we can dig into for
a topic. It's basically the more specific you
can be about defining your opinion and boiling
that down. Like, why do you feel this? Why do
you feel that? Almost three, four layers deep
on a baseline opinion. That's when you know that
something's really sharp, really good, really
unique and going to resonate. I gotta tell you,
if any of my listeners are interested in starting
a podcast. I would just call Vince because he's
got the knowledge, he's got the experience, and
I'm telling you everything. We're not done with
the podcast by any means, but I'm just saying
with all of your experience and the way that
you go about talking about the processes, the
monetizing, the everything else, you do it in
such a way where it always will benefit the podcast
host. So I just want to thank you for that itself.
And you talked about the processes. What key
processes do you focus on to improve podcast
production? Yeah, so first off, it comes down
to the show planning. Because pre -planning is
what's pre -production. What are you doing to
plan these episodes out and make them as strong
as they can possibly be? One of the biggest issues
that people get into a lot of times is editing.
And editing might involve taking out chunks of
the conversation. That's because you might not
have a full grip on how you wanted to structure
that argument and cover the entirety of the episode
or developing the interviewing skills to get
to a point where all of the conversation is totally
on point and relevant and tight and concise.
So there's things in editing that post are because
the preparation was not as good as it could be.
The episodes are too long, things like that.
So it starts there and with the messaging and
things that we've talked about. And then beyond
that, it's just a lot of regimenting, basically
checklists of, okay, the episode is done. Who's
responsible for what stages? Where is all of
this going? And how are we doing this as efficiently
as possible? So if that's with the editing, and
this is a problem, I think, with a lot of solopreneurs,
especially doing all of the editing and taking
everything on. And when you think about the time
consumed to do all of that versus your value
as the business to go out and do other things,
don't edit. You don't need to do that. I understand
at first, hey, I'm getting a feeling I don't
want to invest in this. But by investing in an
editor, you are reinvesting in yourself as an
executive. And when you're considering that trade
-off, it's an easy one to make. So it's things
like that. So bringing in help if needed or teaching
people to just be more efficient if that's what
they need. I do coaching sessions where I'll
sit down and say, hey, you're doing the editing.
Okay, let's talk about the tools that you use.
Let's talk about some different technology that's
out there that can streamline this for you. And
how can I cut down the time that you're spending
on that? So if you don't want to put that money
out, how can I at least get you time back? from
being more efficient. And then from there, it's
other things like, do you have a social media
scheduler? So instead of doing things where natively
you're posting it on each single platform, put
it in one place and be able to have it go out
to all the platforms you have. So that kind of
stuff is really essential. And just really, and
here's the last thing when it comes to production,
it's really huge. I want people and I'm desperately.
begging people to do this is work ahead. Have
three, four weeks of episodes that are ready
to go and don't worry about it. Like the stress
that people put on themselves arbitrarily to,
oh my God, I got to get this out right now because
if I don't edit it tonight, I'm skipping dinner
because I'm going to edit tonight and I need
it out tomorrow and I got to get the post. It
drives people crazy and it's a common stress
that people have, but it's such an avoidable
stress. So I really, at the very beginning, with
all of those things in mind of pre and post and
whatever, it's how can we do this in a way where
we can get you breathing room to operate? So
if you're sick, you go on vacation, your guests
cancel, like whatever happens, you've got that
room to maneuver and you're not stressing. So
it's tying all of those things together and doing
that as quickly as we can. Absolutely. That's
great. Vince, I'm telling you again, you've done
it. You've done it. And I think you've got the
podcasting, the, not the... exactly the coaching,
but the instruction and the structure of the
podcast down to such a point where any of my
listeners, they'd be a fool not to contact you.
Okay. So can podcasters leverage their shows
for networking? Oh my God. There's so many great
ways to leverage it. But the biggest thing is
there are guest platforms. And this is the easiest
thing if you want an introductory way to get
acclimated to podcasts and use them as a way
to just build all these new connections. So a
couple out there that are common and very affordable,
Podmatch is one. There's another one called matchmaker
.fm. Going to either of those, putting up a profile.
People will message you to come on your show.
You don't know who they are. They've got all
these different skill sets and things, which
is why sometimes you should say no because everybody
is applying to be on your show. So sometimes
please say no to people. But beyond that, yeah,
that just opens the door without even trying
to all of these different people all across the
world, all these industries that are looking
for opportunity and looking for connection as
well. So do that. But also, yeah, use it as an
opportunity to reconnect with people. If you've
had a past client, for example, and you did great
things with them and they don't need you anymore
because things went so well that like they've
progressed beyond you. Awesome. Bring them back
on the show. Get them to give a testimonial basically
about what you do. So it's an opportunity to
reestablish connections. It's an opportunity
to build new connections because sometimes Michael
is reaching out to somebody going, hey, can I
get 30 minutes to talk and connect and just meet
you? People suck. I'm not really into that. But
if you tell them it's being recorded and put
on Apple and Spotify, now they're way more interested.
So it just gives you a natural avenue to build
those connections. And as long as you've got
the genuine interest in bringing these people
on, which I can't state enough, please actually
be engaged with who these people are and have
real questions to ask them. But if you're doing
that. Yeah, the amount of impact that you can
get is huge. So again, being on guest platforms
and leaving the door open, you can also message
people on those platforms to invite them on,
inviting people in your network, whether it's
a connection you want to tighten up because it's
been a while or somebody you want to build a
relationship with that's relevant. And then lastly,
and I think this is really the biggest thing
beyond that, is following up. I mentioned this
earlier, but like... Connect with them on LinkedIn
if that's your thing. If you're big on Instagram,
follow them on Instagram. Like whatever you've
got to do to maintain that connection and be
aware of what they're up to because it's give
and take for everybody, right? I'm happy to come
on the show, but what are you doing for me? Like
everybody, I want likes. I want subscribers.
I want clients. To have that opportunity to connect
with people, like their stuff once in a while,
comment on things, just be aware of what they're
doing. So if you see them in a networking event
to go, hey, I saw that you posted this thing
or you just. did that. Congratulations. The show
is your avenue to do that. It is a tool. And
so that's the beauty of it. It doesn't have to
just be this thing that gets listeners. It's
a really good mechanic to interact with people.
And so that's one of the ways to leverage this.
And it's one of the best ways to do it because,
yeah, everybody wants to come on shows. You get
this long running content. It's just it's wonderful
value. It really is. And you touched on the follow
-up and I'm just going to touch on it very little
bit because I feel that the follow -up is almost
more important than actually meeting the person.
Okay. The follow -up is so key because 90 % of
everybody else forget the follow -up. They send
an email or they do something that there's no
true sense of a follow -up. And unless you follow
up, you really haven't gotten that contact. But
that's a whole nother podcast on a whole nother
day. What metrics do you use to measure a podcast
success? Yeah, so growth on the base level, right?
It's overall growth based on what you're looking
to do. Because again, like some people, it's
an awareness play, right? Like my show to start.
We're early stage with it. I started that show
in October, and our play was awareness because
we're a niche business. We're a podcast company
that helps business owners. We're very niche.
So with that, our thing was let's blast all of
our different social media channels and do that
consistently. Let's post episodes every single
week. Let's get the newsletter and use the content
from the show to fuel the newsletter. Get that
out every single week. We're seeing growth. I'm
not blowing anything away, but I'm getting small
growth on LinkedIn, on Facebook, on Instagram,
on TikTok, on YouTube, all at the same time.
So that's my metric. Things like profile viewers
on LinkedIn to me is a metric because I've gotten
people now on a professional platform to look
at my profile and say, who is this guy and what
is he about? proof of attention, I don't know
what is. So for me, those are the kinds of things
that I'm looking for in this awareness play.
Beyond that, it can be things like obviously
sales, right? If you're bringing people onto
the show, what is your conversion rate? And that's
going to be something based on, and it's hard
because you're not doing these things and people
aren't getting into these conversations to directly
sell. But if you can say that you're selling
one or two high ticket items a year, even on
your podcast, and you weren't selling anything
before. To do that through your networking, like
that is a massive win. So it's always relative
to the business and the kinds of services that
they offer, the products they offer and how that
all works. Like it can be very custom. But if
you can definitively say that the podcast is
helping you generate more business than you had
before and it's worth the investment, which if
you're doing high ticket, it should be. And like
the way I do this, I'm not trying to price people
out to a point where they can't afford to do
the show because it's their marketing. So it
doesn't make sense. sense to be like, this is
an insane cost to execute your show day in and
day out. It needs to be something that's sustainable,
but it's helping you sell high ticket as well.
So if you can get a couple of sales in that degree,
that's huge. So that's like the baseline element.
Are you growing? Are you selling more? And that's
about it. It's true. And I get responses from
LinkedIn because I'm on all platforms. LinkedIn,
Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and I get something
back from LinkedIn. I thought it was great. I
thought I get between five and 800 impressions
every time that I put something out there. And
I felt, oh, that's pretty good. One of my other
podcast guests goes, well, what type of LinkedIn
impressions do you get? And I said, oh, between
five and 800. He goes, oh, that's not bad. When
you get to 6 ,000, let me know. I'm like, what?
He goes, yeah, 6 ,000. I'm like, all right. As
long as I thought I was doing so well, and he
just absolutely not. But anyway. Hold on, because
I disagree. Right? It's all perspective and where
you come from with this. It is. Yeah. If you
were starting with 200, 300, or you weren't even
posting regularly, and now you're posting more
frequently and getting 500, 600, that is a win,
right? That's the beauty of this. It is a win.
Yeah, you should. I did. But I was just like,
okay, when you think you're doing something well,
there's always somebody doing it better. But
my metrics go from my YouTube channel all the
way up to LinkedIn, and I'm getting a decent
amount of hits. So it's not bad. It's pretty
good. Give me an idea of what an emerging trend
in the industry, in the podcasting industry.
Yeah. So the biggest one that I've seen recently,
and this is from the way that I've been doing
it, shows that I consume and people that I've
had that I've been talking to that are guests
on my show is people are starting to trend back
to solo episodes. And I think that is a great
play because when you're thinking about where
everything's gone, the guest interview podcast
has been big for a couple of years now. And for
all the networking and everything that we've
talked about, it makes sense like that. There
is real legitimate value in that. And it's something
that people should still do. But the other side
of it is. It's your platform for your marketing.
And when you want to repurpose all of this content
into great social clips that showcase you and
your knowledge, and it can form your newsletter
and all those different things, then yeah, take
some weeks where it's just you talking. And if
that's even six minutes, like I literally have
multiple five, six minute episodes in the early
stages of my show. That's fine. Like it's, are
you making a good point? Is it value to your
audience? Can you maximize that content? That's
all it needs to be. If it turns out that you
can go for 20 minutes, 25 minutes, and it's a
good conversation, go for it. But yeah, that
idea of balance between doing the networking
and building those relationships and to some
degree sitting down with potential clients, leads,
like awesome. But yeah, have that other side
where it's an opportunity for the audience to
continue to get to know you more and what you're
about and become a bigger fan of you. Because
when other people are constantly... always dominating
the platform you don't always get that chance
to showcase yourself so that balance it is huge
and yeah i'm seeing that start to happen a lot
more i think part of it is because there's been
like most shows out there are guest focused shows
and people have decided to make a transition
there so i'd fully support it it's really that's
really interesting i was thinking about doing
that because i'm posting twice a week and on
a Monday and a Friday or Monday evening and a
Friday afternoon. So maybe like on a Wednesday,
I may do that, do a five or six minute post of
just about my business, about my networking or
my coaching or something else like that. But
I think I may take you up on that offer, but
that's very good information. All right. So here's
the kicker. You've told me all about your great
success. about how you transition from radio
to podcasting. Everything is going so well, but
what are some of the biggest mistakes that you've
made and how did you overcome it? Oh my God.
I used to have there. So I have one business
partner at the moment. It's me and one other
guy. There used to be three of us that ran the
business together. That did not go well. And
there are a lot of it's a lot of layers to it.
I could honestly talk about it for four hours.
But the long story short is I had known the person
personally before the business got started. I
considered them a friend. When things started
to go really bad with the business, I refused
to see what was falling off a cliff in a lot
of different ways. I had these major blinders
on and being able to finally get to a point where
I realized it's not working. And this whole thing
is worse than I thought in a lot of different
ways, personally, professionally. It was getting
incredibly ugly and making the decision to just
completely cut the cord. So moving on and just
being me and the one other person now for the
business, personally, just, yeah, maintaining
separation, like everything. And from there,
too, there was so much clutter around the business.
So strategically, the things that we were doing,
it was more we were just doing digital content
in a lot of different ways, shapes and forms
versus. being a podcast production company for
businesses. What I had to do was once we made
that move is the last like year plus was really
just trimming fat. Just, hey, is this producing
podcasts for businesses? No. Is this leading
to doing that and getting more clients or relationships?
No. Let's kill that. Let's transition out this
client. So it was a lot of movement and redefinition,
but it was also simplicity. And so it's been
a relief. Just the way things have gone really
in the past, yeah, year and a half, something
like that. It's been night and day. And it's
unfortunate you have to go through a lot of things
to get there, but the end result has been great.
And I have no regrets. Good. Listen, I've been
a business owner before, multiple business, pizzerias,
restaurants, a Ben & Jerry's franchise. I've
been through it all. I want to end this on a
very high note. So can you give me a success
story where you helped a podcast business grow?
Yeah, so this one's interesting, right? It's
a bit of an altruistic show. It's called Building
the Open Metaverse. And it's two technology execs
in metaverse technology, like high -ranking guys.
And they are all about community building because
everything they're doing is open source. So it's
the idea that this software is out on the internet
and everybody has the ability to collaborate
on it and customize it and add to it. And it's
just as a community tool, it always gets better
and better. Things like Notion. For example,
it's a digital workspace and you can do a lot
of file tracking and things in it. It's a beautiful
tool that is open source. So there's a lot of
things like that out there. DeepSeek, the popular
AI tool that came out, that is an open source
tool as it's been defined. So things like that.
What I was able to do with them, just one. Show
quality, their audio and all was really bad.
They had listeners complaining about the quality
of the audio on the show, like on their YouTube
channel comments would be like, this sounds terrible.
This is not good. Just improving their overall
process, making the show better, more concise,
working on things where their marketing person.
So their head of marketing was managing this
show. They're not a podcaster. That is not their
main goal. I was able to get her. She told me
literally 20 hours a week back into her life.
because we took that show back on. So for us
to manage that whole show, and that was a ton
of work. You're talking audio, video, the enhanced
edits to trim the fat, thumbnail. transcripts,
fully edited everything, posting clips. So we
took all of that off, relieved the marketing
side of it. And it's at a stage now where that
company was actually purchased. They were bought
in the last couple, in the last six months, I
want to say. And the marketing contact that we
had is temporarily retired. She's chilling. She's
living her life. They made so much on the sale
that she's good is my understanding of it. So
yeah, I helped her put time back in the business.
she's living the life so that's the kind of wins
that you can get that's great vince that's great
such an uplifting story about everybody and everybody
concerned did so well so that thank you for that
story it was it was very uplifting vince if somebody
wanted to get hold of you either to be coached
to have their podcast taken over by you or even
help with it how can they get hold of you Yeah,
so go to sbxproductions .com. So think sandbox,
but we sucked all the letters out of it. sbxproductions
.com. That's where you can set up a call with
me. And yeah, happy to figure out just what your
needs are up front, totally free of charge, whether
you're launching a show or have an existing show,
and we'll take it from there. Absolutely fantastic.
Vince, thank you very much for coming on the
show. You were a great guest. Michael, thank
you for having me. This was so much fun. You're
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